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of Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller starts right now, and we are eat the air everywhere, even while on furlough, coast to coast, border to war and anywhere. You can download podcast The Fifth Hour with myself and for better or worse, David Gaston Gascon because four hours not enough of the overnight, and we do this eight days a week, although not this week because of some furlough time. Gascon. I right now I'm actually laying in a hammock having a drink

at a beach somewhere in a super secret location. But we can record this whatever, and so we have the podcast for the mall emotion. Because I'm a man of the people. Gascon. That's why. Yeah, it's It's great kind of you to do that, and then dragged me out of a gurney. Uh, well, where I was in the hospital, and you get my ass to the studio that was

out patient. That was outpatient. I spent an entire week in the hospital on my deathbed, literally on my deathbed when they chopped my guts open and took my gallbladder out. You had a minor medical procedure. But I do give you credit for showing up because I have worked with people in the past that would have melked it and taken two months off. So I will give you a slight bit of credit. But don't tell anybody. I I don't know if I sent you the picture on it,

but I brought the tube out from from the doctor's office. Yeah, for those that don't know. If you didn't hear the previous podcast, Gascon had a medical procedure on a tube that had been implanted in his ear and was supposed to that wasn't it supposed to just naturally leave your body? Yeah? Didn't you? Did you have this when you were a kid? I did? I did, and I have my right ear is freaking terrible. It is horrible. Uh, And I I my My left ear is average, so I have one

average year and then I had one terrible ear. But I did have tubes in my ears when I was a kid, and my my wife's I go to the ear doctor. Go to the ear doctor said, I told, what am I gonna do? I got I wear headphones blasting for thirty hours a week at my job. I can't not do that. I that's how that you do the job. And so But anyway, so you had your situation guest on you and how long did this take? How long did the medical procedure take? Well, it's a

little bit of a racket. It took about thirty minutes to do. But the kicker on this too, for anyone wants to do it. It's just like going to a hospital. Now where ben you know this. You don't get billed by just the hospital anymore for your procedure. You get billed by the doctor separately. So they brought me in and I had to meet with an audiologist in a in a hearing booth. So then they charge me to get my hearing tested and then the doctor comes in, the e n T comes in to remove the tube.

But Matt, like they it feels like they're shaving something in my ear drum, like they obviously put a local astigia in it, and then just slowly starts tapping and tapping, and then it's like a pin prick and before you know it, he removes it and he puts another device in there to like suck out the gunk or whatever's left in there. And it's it's probably the size of a pencil head. It's so small, and it fucking kills so fair. Yeah, it's not. It's the smaller they are,

the more painful they can. It's like it's like the equivalent of you walking around with like a pebble in your in your you yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good anolgy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's that's brutal. But it's out now. Can you when you when you left, you could hear better, You were in less pain. It feels like it feels like someone's pushing against my ear drum right now. Um, part of it's because it was bleeding overnight the incision he made, but yeah, there's just

the pressure. But ultimately I'm hoping that the removal of that tube will alleviate the headaches I've been getting. In that region of my head. So yeah, I gotta wait three or four days to get that done. So this is a process. So why while I'm sulking here, what'st of the four oh five? You're off on beaches and unknown lands? You find cocktails. I hope at least you're having a couple of chicken sandwiches while you relax. No, I've done that the last couple of weekends, so I

I'm moving on now. I think I'm gonna do some other rip off recipes. I've either I'm flipped. I don't know what I'm gonna do this week out it next week, but I'm either gonna make Beijing beef or orange chicken. I could rip off of restaurant like Panda Express, or there's another one from what's the high end bougie Chinese restaurant. There's pay Away, well pay Away, but the Payway is actually a spinoff of the other restaurant, Oh Panda and not Panda Express is a fast food version, which I

don't mind. I like Panta Express, but no, the high end like Payway, and there's a higher end I don't know. I've never been to. You've been. It's a chain it's a chain gasca. Um, I'm thinking what flame broiler? No, no, not flame Broiler. Uh, what is the name? I don't know. I've only got to Panda Express and pay Away. That was the only ones I go to. Those are the only two that you go to. But but all right, I thought Payway was a spinoff of another restaurant, like

a more of a quicker type thing. Noo am I am I wrong on that? Yeah? No, because you're you're wrong because you could sit there. No, you know, I'm right, I'm right. P F Changs that was the one boom p F Chang's guesscan you can make either p F Chang version or Panda Express. But I'm more you know, west of the four oh Five's p F Changs, which is surprising you've not been there, and then east of the four oh five would be like pand Express. Yeah,

I don't really, I'm not really down for p F Chang's. Well, well, PF Change is too expensive? Is uh the the issue there? For a radio budget? It's now remember the advice I gave you, guest Gon before you went in. You you're text me before you were going in for the medical procedure. Remember what I said there. I asked a question about the doctor. Yeah, don't piss in the wind. No, no, I think I think it was. I hope that's wet. I hope that's east of the four oh five. I

think it's what I said, that medical procedure. No, no, actually no it was. It was last I did it down in now in South Rodando Beach. I gotta, you know, I gotta go over the top notch tres are like, you know, if you're a female, you're not going you're not going for any kind of plastic surgery east of the four oh five, are you? Why not? It's cheaper that way. Also, the doctors aren't listen. You know, the person that graduates medical school with the worst grade is

still called the doctor. They're not called not a doctor. There's still the doctor. Yeah. Well, like actually getting into somewhere that's like prominent in terms of hospitals, because if you're in California, you want to be at USC USC Yeah, U S C, U C l A or U C S D, like those are the those are the hospitals that you want to be working for. So all right, well we're getting carried away here. This is a Conversation podcast. I know you're trying to make it all about you,

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with video soon soon. And listener engagement too, that's right, interaction, and we might even have advertising and things like you never know, you never know, any of those things all might be part of this. In addition this this would be like a spin off of the radio show and of this podcast. I'm a little worried about it. I'm not gonna lie. I'm only worried about the technical element, which could be a cluster fuck. That's That's what I'm

worried about. But other than that, I think it'll be fine. The content will be good. I think the content will be good if people can hear it. That's a different conversation. Anyway, Enough of that about that, let's welcome in right now. We don't have really guests. We have people to hang out with, those people that we like, people that are friends of the show and friends of us in real life.

For example, Leo Terrell. We had Leo on a while back, mid apocalypse and Leo the fair minded civil rights attorney who is a well regarded long time talk shows. In fact, our careers have coincided in l A radio. Leo has been a talk to host at k ABC in Los Angeles for many, many years. And I have been a closet listener of Leo. I've heard him for the years. I always enjoy his style on the radio and UH, and he's been very kindy. He's a fan of sports. He listens to our show at night. He's also become

a big star recently contributor on Fox News. He's regularly with Sean Hannity and UH. Leo does not hold back. He does not hold back. So we welcome in now the fair minded civil rights attorney Leo Terrell. Leo, we had you on a while back, and since then, the NBA has held a boycott of the NBA PLAYFFS. What did you make of what has happened recently in the NBA. My take from the NBA boycott was it was disingenuous.

I didn't know why they were boycotting if they were upset about the UH shooting of U. Mr Blake they should wait till all the facts come in. And I think it was a misguided decision. And more importantly, uh, I think they didn' get anything what they wanted, whatever they wanted. Let me be specific. Uh, these were NBA players, multimillionaires, surrounded by private security. Uh, probably armed private security. Uh. They complained about the system, they never defined the system,

and then they wanted racial justice. I don't know what racial justice is from from their perspective. And more importantly, Uh, their talk is cheap. They don't vote, I think less these players actually vote. So to me, I honestly could not understand their message, and I would love to have somebody tell me what was their message, why they boycotted, and what do they accomplish. Yeah, it's interesting though, because

I did see there was a list of demands. They were asking for police reform and uh a bunch of other kind of random things. They are related to police dealing with the public. But you're right, there's there's no specific list. They were trying to put pressure on some politicians to make some changes. But it's really scattershot. Is are they getting advice from outside influences here? I mean, what is driving this because we've seen sporadically guys in

sports that were outspoken. But it seems like it's a collective effort. Right now, What's what's going on. I think they're influenced by some very very politically savvy people who have a specific agenda. Let me tell what the agenda is. They hate Trump, these operatives UH the NBA seems in my opinion to be a democratic UH wing or an operative of the Democratic Party. There's no question that Lebron James is involved in the Democratic Party. I think the

problem with that. But but but this, this this yelling out of ratio ingtice, systemic discrimination. These guys are using words that they don't even know what what they refer to. Now I have an advantage. I'm a lawyer. I know exactly what those words referred to, and I don't see their rhetoric. But that's all. It is a lot of YACKI I don't see any substant change. If they want to change the system run for office, they want to change the systems vote. But here's the thing about it.

It's pandury. It's racial penury. And they have a megap platform that plays into this penury, that gives this impression that the whole system in this country is rigg, it's all racist, notwithstanding the fact that you got black police officers, black mayors, black governors, brown people of all different colors in shape in the police department. This is not nineteen sixty. It's not Bull Connor and the German shepherds chasing black

kids down the street. This is where you got multi millionaire black men playing a game of basketball and they live the greatest life in the world. Leo, if if that's pandering or is the media guilty of enabling, because it seems like it doesn't matter if it's the news, politics,

or even in sports. Is that you have a lot of these people that are on air, radio and television that are echoing these statements or these sentiments, and they're they're jumping to the conclusions before they have all the facts. Any kind of case. Let me answer that, what is the media enabling these guys? Let me think about that. Yes, yes, M S, NBC, CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, T and T. Unfortunately, I'm sorry, ESPN. They just gave in.

They just they drink the cool. They're providing this fall platform that allows these guys to vent over racial injustice. Ron James. I read a quote for him. I fear for every X man. We're afraid to go home. We're afraid to go out at night, Ron James. Seriously, seriously, that's that that most Black Americans are afraid to go home. They're afraid of the police, seriously, because they're all surrounded by private security that are heavily armed. So see, that's pandory.

And then the media gives them this platform. And that's why I said earlier this week it's disingenuous. I don't believe that. I don't believe those guys are suffering from racial injustice. I mean, this is crazy. And the Jacob Blake case. Gonna be very clear, this is not George Floyd. Let me repeat that for everyone listening. That Jacob Blake case, it is not George Floyd. Period. Yes he got shot. Tragic situation, but let's wait until all the facts come

in and all this just a side note. All this protesting that's going on, alleged protesting, it's not protesting. It's criminal misconduct. Is looting, is Robbie is killing people? Is black on black crime. This is a sham and of the civil rights attorney, I have the credibility to call it what it is. The NBA players at last week of boycotting with a sham leo, I guess there's so much fingerpoint and that's going left and right and and at the president, at the mayor's, at the governors, at

the athletes. We'd like to think that we're solutions based right as a country. So what ultimately Kenny's professional leagues do to to help what ultimately they want to do, which is to make sure there's social equality and everyone's treated equally. Well, I'll tell you right now that's a good question. Uh When when I say get involved in the process, I would suggest submit to you. That is the first step because it changes the dynamics of who's

calling the shots. And there are there are people who rely on people not sody and and play the pandumy game. So I would submit to you. If the NBA wanted to set a good example, vote all of the players, everyone associated with the NBA use their power to get everyone register and to vote. It's a two prong issue. Register and vote. Second one most important. Most of those players are unique athletes, the best of the best, of those young men who have aspiration being basketball players will

never happen. Education. Education, let me repeat, education is the key to break the poverty cycle. So all these multi coasillionaires, let's stop pandering to these certain uh special interest groups like teacher unions who do not want private school I give Lebron James credit for his promise school, but let's give minority kids a chance to go to a quality education. Let's break up these horrible teacher unions who pay Democrats

to keep poor minority kids and poor public schools. Why would the Democrats, why would anybody on this planet be against school choice? Charter schools, private schools, makes no sense at all. So there is registered to vote, talk to walk, and also put all that charity money, all those contributions into building up the greatest private education system for people of color. And Leoly you mentioned the voting thing and all of sports. So the last couple of months is uh,

we're gonna have voting station. I think NBA arenas, most NBA arenas are gonna have that. A lot of baseball stadiums and whatnot. But here's the question, how much influence. I've always wondered this, not just now because of the times we're in. But in your opinion, you've been around

the game a long time. When you look at celebrities, whether it's Hollywood or athletes in the world that we deal with, how much does that really move the need you think people are gonna go vote based on whatever they hear from, not that they're not going to vote, but if they they're gonna vote for a specific candidate based on an endorsement vias celebrity, how much sway do you think that actually has That's a good question. Zero zero zero. Don't tell Lebron that though, No, no, no, no, no,

no zero absolutely. I mean Lebron, I remember in the election, Lebron jay Z Beyonce holding those big mega concerts and people showed up for the concert, they didn't vote. I mean, let's let's be honest. Lebron supported Hillary, had concerts jay Z Beyonce, she lost the constituents that he was appealing to, came out in had the lowest turnout. Black voters came out and low number against Hiller. With Hillary, they's at home, so no influence. So he takes that money and he

channels that money and that influence that he has. It's a different area and maybe you can redirect the energy. But as far as currently zero influence, it's misguided. Yeah, and it's also as far as Lebron, and we want to go back to the boycott. We talked about the beginning here, Leo, because Lebron, according to reports, voted not to play. He wanted to shut down the entire season

and leave the bubble. And he was according to these glowing reports, he was leading the charge and he walked out of meeting the players Association had discussing all this, and then within less than forty eight hours, he was back out and on the court. So he had quite the change of mindset there, Leo, in the span of about forty eight hours. Recently, Let's be very clear, Lebron

is only interested in one thing. Lebron. He has a brand that the forty hour antics where he thought about walking out and then he comes back to the play and then you know, he he does his uh, his uh ritual. He pays onmits to a Chadwick Bosman, who great actor who just passed away, and this guy is only about himself. So everything is collated to focus the attention on Lebron, and that's what he does. I don't have any problem with that. But you're not gonna trick me.

You're not gonna fool me to think that, oh, you're going to walk out of the NBA playoffs because you're upset with the racial injustice in this country. Don't don't sell that to me, because I don't believe it. That's why I thought the initial boycott's misguided. So when when the media is watching Lebron gives these interviews and were these T shirts referring to racial injustice and talking about Rihanna Taylor, that doesn't beesn't sway me at all. That's

a guy who is marketing himself. He's branding himself. He is the best basketball player in the world, so we get that, and so there could be a lot of media attention. He has a high classform, so he uses it for his own purpose and he has yes people around him saying, hey, you can do this, you this will help even more, This won't be even more you think, honestly believe Lebron James is really concerned about systemic discrimination racial injustice. Now, it's easy to put on a T

shirt and say I'm concerned about the racial injustice. It's easy to have a two or three minute interview after the game and say I'm really concerned, and you go back into your well guarded, private security, multi million dollar manship. As a joke, Leo, Leo, what about Major League Baseball? Because Ben and I were talking about this over the last couple of days. You know, the Dodgers and Mookie Betts had taken a stance or they're taking a knee.

San Diego Padres the same thing. They had a series matchup with the Mariners, and both teams had games that were they're postponed and and made up the following day. But you know, in particular the Dodgers. You know, we all know this, but the Dodgers are really engaged in the community. It's not like it's just a uh, some dogg and pony show. You have guys that are are members of the community that give back, you know, Clayton Kershaw and Justin Turner, Kenley Jansen, the guys of that nature.

So it's not like they just talk to talk, but they do walk the walk. But you know, there is that line when you have a shortened season like this. So it's drastically different with Major League Baseball than the NBA. But like, is there a point where Major League Baseball players should or shouldn't take a stance at all with regards to any of this stuff, especially when they're still active in their community. Well, let me think right now.

I thought major League Baseball, in the National Hockey League and every other sports was in a very awkward situation because of the misguy, the NBA boycott. I felt that they were under what they call that political correctness pressured where they had to do something where they had to show some form of support or else they were going to be deemed racist. Yeah, notwithstanding the tremendous amount of work did the Dodgers doing the community, I've something were

pressured and that's why they cancel a few games. That's why I think which game wasn't the Mets and those guys they put a Black Lives Matter T shirt on the home plate and didn't play the game. So I think they were under political pressure, the political correctness pressure. But but I will say this about the Dodgers, who

do a lot of work in the community. The work that that they do is great, but if they're trying to laser it towards this issue of systemic discrimination, racial injustice, I'll go back to the two prong issues, get everybody to vote and improve the schools, because I think those two issues are the civil rights issues of the future, especially education. I'm gonna be on this program right now.

You guys would not have any interest in interviewing Leo Trrell if I didn't have the educational background the ability to articulate the views that I am expressing on this show. And that's because of education and my background and my experience. Black kids, brown kids needs the opportunity to to educate themselves in an institution and a setting that allows the the flourish. The current public school systems controlled by the

public teacher unions do not provide that environment. So on that note to Leo, with with the way that this pandemic has been shaping, you've got schools on the left coast that are doing everything virtually. You've got schools in the right coast that are are getting back to it.

In particular college football. You know, we've been chatting about this with the a c C, the SCC, the Big twelve gonna go back to work, but the Pac twelve and the Big ten have have really pulled up the reins and there's there's thought about the Big ten playing in October. Maybe maybe not. But the PAC twelve like, no dice at all. Is that strictly political? Like do you think that's driven towards the president or you think that's something else. Do you actually think they care about

the kids, And that's a tough question. No, they don't care about the kids. And yes it's about the president. Let me be clear. Let's talk about the Left Coast Pack twelve, which represents three Blue Democrats at it states, which contains within its powerful, powerful teacher union. Let's start with just a public school. The teacher unions in California so powerful they dictate the turn their loving online education.

They love getting a big fat pay check and they don't have to do anything but you know, turn on their computer and get that full government taxpayers check UH from from home. They love this and and and the political football of we're going to try to slow down the economy, We're gonna try to do everything to undermine Trump,

even at the expense of hurting kids. And then you take it to the university level, the UH canceling college sports, the pact twalk a ridiculous, a ridiculous position without giving it a chance, without coming up with some type of combination to just say no and look at as we speak on the day of this podcast, the pandemic, it's flattening. Okay, Big twelve Ohio State, the high schools are playing football, the kids are playing football, professional football. It is gonna

start in a couple of weeks. Back twelve, Big twelve, they got a Big ten. They got mother the face right now ridiculous and Leo Leo following up on that, and David referenced this though at the time we're recording this podcast, the President Trump, there's some media reports out that he made a phone call to the Big Ten Commissioner and they're they're trying to get the Big ten

started up. But with what you said about this being political, you mentioned the Pack twelve specifically, but some of that's going on with the college presidents in the Big ten country. Though, what do you think the odds are that the Big ten actually has in about face here and says hey,

let's play ball, let's play football in October? Well, I'll say right now, yeah, I'm fully aware that the President called the the Big Ten commissioner and say hey, please reconsider this and there was some thought that they might reconsider it. But look at the people in the in the Big Ten area, their family members who are suing the university and the conference for saying, hey, look, you

know this is wrong. This is absolutely wrong. And I would hope that And I think the Big Ten and the ratio with it with the PAC twelve is part of the problem of the Big ten hand they went along with the PAC twelve plan. I think it's horrible, but I'm hoping that the Big ten reconsider this because again, if you're gonna look at the science. Dr Fauci Okay, he has even stated, look, schools should open. Schools should open and with the proper safety precaution and play sports.

That's what's happening right now. As at the time of this podcast, we had our first college football game this past Saturday. So I mean, cod this is political. And again let's see, let's who's getting hurt. Kids, the economy, A lot of Americans always the expense of trying to regain the right house. No one can't tell me that closing down sports, closing down this economy, closing down to schools, no one can tell me it's not that it's not motivated by the party out of power trying to get

back into power and kicking President Trump out. It's ridiculous. Uh. And Leo following up with the education thing. Uh. And it's obviously not necessarily sports for lady, but it is, you know, high school football and things like that. Is in the states where they're not allowing kids in school. Is this gonna be the entire what's your gut telling you the entire school year or after the election if a certain party wins, are we gonna have kids back in school? I guess what's the end game on this?

Well anything? Endgame is that? See? I think that I'm just gonna be clear, and I'm a I'm a public i am a school teacher. I have a teaching license. I'm a I was a school teacher before I became a lawyer. I think you know, I'm looking at it from the Democratic standpoint. The Democrats wanted the pandemic to uh become such a problem to open up the school they wanted. They wanted to shut the schools down up until the day of the election, and then the day

after election they want to open them up. That's that's the ideal Democratic plan because they wanted to make the president look bad. But the problem with the Democrats and

the problem with that plan is the pandemic. The curve is flattening, Things are opening up, and they're opening up two months before the election, and that has put the Democrats in a horrific position because they wanted voters to go into the polling booth thinking that the pandemic is alive and well and it's all the President's fault because that's why everything is closed up. But everything might all be opened up at the time of the election in

November and massive Democratic worst nightmare. And I think that's a shame again because look at the people who are being hurt LEO when when you look at this as you know, let's say you're you're a parent or a brother or a friend, and you've got someone that's at the university level. Yeah, let's just say, for for example s C or U C L as some were local

here in Law So Angeles. What do you do? What's your stance on these universities there are requiring their students to pay a full tuition scale twelve fifteen eighteen units and that scale and doing everything virtually I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but these things aren't made without these kids actually being an attendance, so you know you're you're paying thirty dollars a semester. It's little eye galaging, especially when you're sitting at home not having a drive

on campus. I think it's so unfair for the kids not to have that opportunity, opportunity, and I think the universities you know, accord this is a contract issue. As a lawyer, that the issue would be are the kids

getting what they pay for, i e. An education? And you can argue no, because part of the education is the social interaction and the roundness of a college uh four year experience, which mean these inner extracurricular activities on campus activity of these things where you're having social interaction, you're not getting the full the full value of the

money that you have invested in the college education. And I think that is an argument to make four those who are complaining that they are entitled that they should either have a reduced rate for their college tuition or they should have the full experience with modifications. And that's the key with modifications. Somewhere between those two extremes, you should have some type of compromise, and right now there's

no compromise. Yeah, I'm feeling it right now. I don't know about you, Leo, but but our colleague here, Ben Mallory, he's been he's been soaking it up at home and he's making these looks like delicious fried. I have him making a wonderful I take these rip off recipes Leo on YouTube, and then I recreate them in the in

the kitchen and they're very good. But I yeah, but I didn't want to bring this up though, because my niece just started college at a school in south Line, and my my brother has been complaining to me because you know, they're paying a lot of money as you talked about the college tuitions through the roof, and she was very excited to start college, and the the school had had told her and the family that they were planning on having classes. That's one of the reasons my

brother sent my niece to college. But apparently they did a bait and switch situation because she showed up to the to the school and then they said, well, we've decided we're out of abundance of caution, we're gonna have kids just do it online. And apparently this is going on. From what my brother tells me. It college is all over the country that said they were going to reopen to students. They've done the bait and switch thing, and they all say because of abundance of caution, can you

do anything you want? Leo, if you use that phrase and you are bulletproof from legal action if you say out of an abundance of caution, problem is you know this is the inside baseball here. The lawyers are concerned about liability, That's what they're concerned about. Their concerned about ramification.

If someone sues the school for saying, look, you open the schools up and you expose my son and daughter and you didn't take the proper quote proper safety, precautionous and because there's no type of liability waiver being issued where the kids signed some waiver and I would suggest no one do that. Is that the schools are saying, Look, we don't want to say, it's a multitude of lawsuits. If someone dies, if someone gets sick, if someone gets ill,

if someone gets inspected. So I would submit to you that the lawyers have gotten involved in these institutions and have advised school presidents as to what they're running the risk of someone gonna take the chance others are not Leo. Why isn't that rampant though throughout corporate America. I mean, like Ben and I go to work and you know, we're not signing waivers and world over eighteen, Like these

kids are over eighteen. So why would there be a why would there need to be a waiver like a release and liability with these with these students when corporate America is not facing any of that. Well, that's a very good question. Let me tell you right now, what the what has been bottled up right as we speak for the last two months, is getting that type of corporate immunity or waiver that's been brought up in the

US Senate right now. That is a concern for every aspect of the America economy, not not just the private sector, but education, the mom and pop store. There's no there's no waiver of liability right now. So there is a risk that a lot of employers are taking uh they're deemed essential to the public, need, media, red food, gasoline, and those employers are taking a risk because again there is no liability protection or employers companies to open up.

So it is on a really a case by case basis, and that same issue that you just mentioned is up in the U. S. Senate Leo, what's this been like for you? I because you know, if we go back to like two thousand sixteen, two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen, you know, you're you're jam and Sean Hannity on the air, that you're you're going back and forth trading barbs, and now it's like you guys are almost walking hat in hand together. What's the what's this transformation been like with you?

With the way that the media has been and the way that you've appeared on local and national platforms just personally. Well, I'll tell you right now, that's a good question. I look, I feel, first of all, totally liberated. I want to make sure everyone understand that I feel totally liberated out explain what that means. I also feel like I want everyone to hear this is that I got no hitt

in legenda. No one came up to me and said, hey, Leo, here's a couple of million dollars, just change your position. It was it would create a tidal wave of shock and surprise no one. I mean, I'm a I am the same person, but there were a series of events and statements that took place uttered by Joe Biden that offended me. I'm civil rights attorney and I believe in fairness. I'm a civil rights attorney, meaning that everyone should be

treated fairly. And Joe Biden's comments, we're just insulting. What comments am I referring to? You don't vote Democrats, you ain't black? That was that that hurt me. I was hurt by that because you know, I've been a long time lifelong Democrat civil rights attorney. The Republicans are bad, the Democrats are great. But then I realized, I said, if he honestly believes that, then he's taking me for grant. He assumes that I have no choice, no, no independent thinking.

So that was the major turning point. The second issue defunding the police. No police. I don't know if a civilized society without police. So I just said, no, I have to wake up and and and realize what's in the best interests of this country. Backlash, Yeah, there's a lot of backlash. I mean my comments at the top of this show talking about the NBA criticize the NBA player. I love basketball, I love those play it, but I

want to be true to myself. I want to go to bed at night and say, you know what I'm not. I'm not selling my values because of something that I that I'm receiving. I'm giving no compensation, zero. But I sleep well at night because I really believe what's coming out of my mouth expressing how I feel on your show and on Hannity, I'm just telling you how I feel as an American now as a Democrat. I'm not a Republican, just as an American, and as a lawyer, I could take the heat. I don't care. You know.

I take the heat all the time for thirty years as a lawyer, So I took the heat from the other side when I was on the left. So I got no problem with that. I always felt good as to what was coming out of my mouth. Nothing made up, are motivated by a hidden agenda. Well, Lee, I'm right there with you. I love the NBA, I love you know, all these sports, and it's it's been it's been tough with all you know, everyone you know, activism here everywhere.

It's it's been a difficult watch in recent recent months. With that said, though, there some owners. I did see a story recently that some owners gave blowback to the league when they put Black Lives Matter on the court and the and the marketing of that in game during the NBA experience. They obviously didn't win that battle. But in your opinion, is there a way to get out of this or is this now going to be going forward?

Is the NBA every time something happens? Are they going to have to put slogans on T shirts and on the court. Let me respond, first of all, I think the Black Lives Matter m them on the floor is horrible. It's insulting. That tells me that if you're a Republican, you can't open your mouth, if you're if you play with the NBA, you can't open your mouth. I think the NBA have have got have basically fallen down a

slippery slope because of by capitulating to these players. I think they have basically done a disservice for the organization. The organization and the NBA was designed to get people some form of entertainment to escape from the woes of their job. You know, they have some place to go for fun and excitement. Now you're thinking political, and I think it's unfair. And I think it's silence. People enforced people to beat to remain silent because if they expressed themself,

they're gonna be an outcast at their workplace. And that's wrong, absolutlutely wrong. And and and let's not forget the w n B A. They they just they've just gone wackle all over the place. Hey, Leo, thank you so much for your time. I know you're a busy guy, big TV star now and not a chance. I told Leo. I told Ben that you were you were cheating on us, but without kick the coverage. Uh no, hey, no, no, that's not true. I was surprised. I have not done

any shows. I was surprised that they you know, they did an article, But no, I have not done any Fox. I haven't done a show with Clay or or anyone affiliated with I'll kick the covers. I've been old to Dave and Ben. We'll thank you, Leo, have a have a great day. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys, have a good day. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific