Red, White, & Blue

Ben Maller starts right now. That it does. We are in the air everywhere you name it, the power of podcasting, the global reach, and we are glad you have chosen to spent another weekend with The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and uh somebody else. I forget who, because four hours are not and off eight days a week. And as you already know, because you found us, you can find the podcast on the I Heart podcast network and

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over night weekly show, upgrade, upgrade? What thinks us an upgrade other than you? Upgrade in life and age and enthusiasm, snob appeal, I got that exactly. I don't know if away with snob high brow you can you can do that, I can do that. The unsavory braggart, you can put that in there. Persnickety, that's also use. Pernickety is a good word. Yes, it's a fun word, so I use word. It's a good snipe woord like it's fun like Hornswoggle is a good word. Flamm X is a good word.

These are the words I need to use more. I try to work them into my lexicon, but I need you need to use them more. You know what you don't use for anger? You don't use livid at all. I haven't heard you say living in a long time. No, I do not usually use livid. I use enraged. Infuriated. It's good. That's that's one that I've used a lot.

Piste off obviously everyone uses that one. Uh. I like, you know, what's good is on the war path that paints, that paints a good visual like that, that makes me go back to my glory day as of Nintendo sixty four with Donkey Kong or something like that. You were on the you were on the warpath. But here's any vortex of outrage, that's a good one. It's a solid, solid way to describe something. Is that what you would describe the um the Beat and and natural reporters for

the l A Times are you? Are you referring to the Justin Turner story a few days back? Uh? Yeah, Well listen that we often I work in I guess we work in media, and I think this is me it kind of it's radio. It's not really it's not the normal normal media. But uh yeah, I've never been a big fan of the panic peddlers. Uh. And this was tremendous. Man chicken little running around ringing the bell. Oh my god, Justin Turner, the Merchant of Doom. It's

so so ridiculous. And I I didn't know the other people were doing having these debates about oh my god, this is the worst thing in the world and all this stuff and Turner needs to be suspended and just stop, just stop the guy. No one's gonna die from this. Number one, that's the most important thing. Number two, what what are we doing here? He was he was around all those guys. It's not like there's a light switch. As I said on the on the radio the day,

It's not like a light switch. Were you all of a sudden. Well, now, now if he stays away, everything's good. He was around those guys for days before he finally tested positive. So stop. Yeah, And if that's the case, would you have kept you would have kept fellow Raised players off a flight to go back home to Tampa. You probably would have kept the entire umpiring crew away from boarding a plane and going home. Well exactly. I

mean that's the thing. Because they claim it takes a while for this thing to settle in and take ten days. Usually it's when in a five day period, it could take ten, fourteen days or whatever. So yeah, they seemed like they were they were flying when they were flying back, and uh, you know, the world will go on. I think this will this will be all right, but it made for some great They must get tremendous ratings here with this. You know, if it bleeds, it leads stuff.

And you know, the more lower lured the story, the better the ray things are gonna be. And there you go. Yeah, my favorite is not reading the article, but reading the comments or reading the comments to the tweet from said publication, like that was the best. Well, what's it's great because it's a lot of hacks, media hacks making it all about them, you know, about their emotions and how they were affected by Justin Turner's actions. It's it's very amusing,

it is. It's good, But that's the world we live in now. And as you've gotta know, you've gotta you gotta make it all is, make it all about you, play the victim card rights the whole cottage industry there. It's bewildering, but there's no end in. So it's that twisted logic that is going on. But it's the way

of the world. But who is guilty about this? Like, think about this for a second, because you get you get journalists and reporters and hosts on both sides, but they're clearly advocates for something or someone who's guilty of that. The most though, is the people writing their checks or is the is the way that the media is now where people can be on a television at any given time and gain that celebrity status immediately. It's like it's

a self fulfilling prophecy. Though. The media like they hire people that come from the same background educational wise, and they they don't know for sure, but they have a pretty good idea of their leanings on different issues, and so they hire these people and then you know they're from all different backgrounds, but they have the same beliefs system So it ends up in the situation when but uh so, normally on on our Friday podcast, we have

a conversation some old radio friend that I've known over the years, or a political pundit or whoever we get on, we'll put on. We've had athletes on this week, though we decided not to do that because we would like to use our a lot of time a little bit differently.

I don't know if you know this, but next week is going to be a crazy week in American history because on Tuesday, and it probably won't be decided on Tuesday, but there's a little presidential election and uh, and then you know, take a day or two or three or four, who the hell knows, but that is going to be the number one story. And so I thought we would try to decode it. And there's a couple of things

we're gonna do here on this podcast. The first thing we're gonna do is give the Mallard Handbook to voting, the Mallor Handbook Voting. And then the second thing we're going to do is going to try to decipher um the gambling odds because when you look at the you know, the election, people are on one side or the other, right, you know, people obviously it's split pretty close to down the middle in the country where you got half Republicans,

half Democrats and all that stuff. So the the thing about gambling here is this is actually something that can bring us all together. Right, this this is now you can laugh, but this is something for the common goal of making money. Right. Politics are known to divide people, and you're cliches. You're not supposed to talk about them when you're Thanksgiving dinner, you're hanging out with your loved

ones over any holidays. But if you can make money if you're a Democrat and you can wake a couple of bucks and you bet on Trump to win a state that you're and he's all but guaranteed to win, why would you not do that? And if you're even if you're Republican, you know, do you think Joe Biden's gonna lose California? I mean, that's easy money right there. You put a bet down, Bam, you win a couple

of bucks. Um, So we're gonna hammer that. So that's what's on the agenda, and anything else that pops up is that is that? Okay, I guess gonna be a provably. I'm really curious about the Mallard school of voting. All right, So the Mallard school of voting is pretty simple. I I've I learned this years ago. Now I'm the only one in the entire state that I live in that

does this. But essentially, there's so many propositions and nobody really has the time to go through all of them unless you're like a retired person, and then you have the time to go through all the all the prepositions. So what I do my move is, does this increase taxes?

If in any way there's a tax increase. No. My default position on all props, all all propositions is no, no, no, no no. Now lately I have added another thing just in California here where I live, and I really want to thank the people spending money on advertising here because what I've noticed is when I see a commercial and um, you know, so and so proposition is endorsed by Gavin Newsom, that's a no. Even if it's not involving tax, that's a no. Uh So anything he does, so that's that's it.

And as far as the political things, uh, you know, you don't have to go. I think one of the big things here is you don't. It's a test. You don't have to answer all the questions. People think you have to fill out every part of the ballot or the ballot's not complete. Some people think that. I don't know why it says on the ballot you don't have to but um, you know, if you don't have any clue and you think you didn't study up, then don't

you don't have to vote? I mean, you don't have to fill out every part of the ballot, is what I'm trying to say. So that's pretty much the basics there. When it comes to the propositions anything involving taxes. No, they got enough of my money. Reallocate the money, find a way to spend the money better. You got enough of it, you don't need any more of it. And uh. And there's also just a general belief here which a lot of a lot of people, the uneducated apparently to understand.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, like if you know, always be a free education, free you know, medicine, somebody's gonna pay for it, free health care exactly, that's healthcare, medic but someone's gonna pay for it, and so stop and person is gonna pay for it in one way or another? Is you so you know, But it's that that magic trick you can convince stupid people. Well, no,

you're gonna get it for free. You're not gonna know they're gonna get that money out of you one way or another, so you just you won't realize what's going on, and you'll think you're getting something. It's like anything way, no business gives crap away for free without the thinking that they're going to get something in return for it. Right, It's it's beautiful in the sense nowadays to which people don't realize that or see it until it hits him

upside the face. And I'll give you a perfect example of this. I had um. I had surgery a couple of years ago to fix a deviated septum, and Bennon, when it came time to pay the pipe piper, I had four different bills from four different parties. Uh an anesthesiologist, a surgeon, the regular doctor that operated on me, and then also the hospital all getting their cut one different way or another, as opposed to like the old school days when they would just build you right through the hospital.

But now it's like the doctors are having to pay to use the hospital for their surgery, so now they have to take it out of you in order to get compensated for what they're doing Insteade hospital and operating room. So it's kind of like when you go to the barbershop. A lot of these barbershops they rent out the chairs of the barbershop and okay, all right, so it's the same. Yeah. I remember my mom, you know, miss she Rest in Peace, was sick and she was in the hospital a lot

with different things, and you get the the check. They just keep coming in like the little these checks one by one for different different tests that were done in different craps that was done. Um, it's pretty pretty crazy. And then the other thing is obviously the UM I don't know is the exploitation, the taking advantage of the insurance, not that anybody has, not that anyone has sympathy or empathy for you know, big time major insurance companies. Right,

these are big, monstrous operations. But you know when you charge the hospital charges five dollars for the Thailand all pill because they can and they know the insurance will pay it. A little sketching, Yeah, it's it's a it's a trillion dollar industry. And I'll put it this way, Ben, is that doctors are there to to fix you. They're not there to help you get better. You know, if that was the case in medical school, they would teach all of these guys about nutrition, and they fucking don't

and we're suckers. Well well yeah, it's like the well that's the whole conspiracy, you want to go deep state Illuminati conspiracy that you know, if if they did have a cure for cancer, would they release it like a general cure because see the problem with cancers like a million different kinds of cancers. But if they found a magic placebo, would they release it because a lot of money is generated from people that have to get chemotherapy

and have to have treatments and all that stuff. And um, now I think they would, And I'll tell you why. The Mather theory, my my working theory on this is they would. If they found a magic cure for cancer, they would. There'd just be another illness that would pop up that would replace it. You know, they'd move the goalposts a little bit and they'd be like, all right, well there's no more cancer, hallelujah. But we'll we'll figure something else out of here, and then we're we're good

to go. As long as we have a big illness that will take down certain percentage of the population and keep them in the hospital, we're good to go. Well, we got a lot. We got diabetes, we got heart attacks, we got Alzheimer's dementia. Obviously, Um, you know, people die. Oh there's a there's a ton of ways to get sick and die, and we're all gonna choose one of them eventually. If we're lucky enough to live long enough to have one of those take us out and not

die suddenly. So yeah, that's good times. That'd be curious though, Yeah, I mean because a lot of this stuff too. Don't forget these guys have heavy, heavy money involved in stocks and and all these. Yeah, yeah, they have a financial incentive to keep certain things going the way they are. But then then the flip side of that is there's

also people that invest uh. And I won't reveal any names here, I will not I will protect the guilty, But who invest in medical companies like this whole Corona thing, like this COVID nineteen. There are people gambling right now on the stock market that they will bet on the medical company that comes up with the the vaccine uh.

And then they get the deal, and you know, every country buys a you know, gazillion of these vaccine things and then they make all the money in their profits go through the roof and the stock goes up, and then whoever invested in that makes a ton of money. So it does work the other way too, Yes, it does. Cut you wouldn't be one of those people, would you guess?

I am one of those people. But they say, like, don't don't work for the comp that you want to be in bed with, invest in the company that you want to be in bed with, and that's what I'm trying to do. But you know, like we you know, a lot of companies nowadays, especially here in the world of COVID, they've pulled back on their four oh one K contributions. So I have, in turn decided to not put money into my four oh one K and invested on my own accord. And so that's been doing homework

and bullshitting with you about certain stocks. Another it was great back in the old days, were like matched the four oh one kid was Oh my god, it was fifty fifty. Whatever you have dollar you put in, they give you an extra dollar. It was great. Uh, I don't I don't remember, but I it only it didn't last that. It was only the first couple of years I got in a radio. But uh yeah, it's it's

gone the other way. No, but I listen. I I have a guy I used blind Scott for a while that didn't work out so well, and another guy that didn't work out so well. But the guy got now is pretty good. It's pretty good. He's pretty sharp. Kind of an advisor who pays attention. I pay attention a little bit, but you know you don't want to. You're playing with real money here. It's kind of like exactly.

It's which which makes me all the more maddening that you can't, actually, or you couldn't up until recently, gamble on sports and so of these states. But betting on a penny stock becoming a big time player on Wall Street, that's perfectly fine. That's perfectly of course. What I what I did with Blind Scott is he gave me the one weed company that that sucked and couldn't sell weed, and so that was like a good stock that became

a penny stock. Yeah, with the other way. But then I get emails every once in a while from from Blind Scott, my guy in Boston, who tells me how much money he just made by some investment. I shake my head every time I see, well, you schmuck, you schmuck. You did not give me that advice. I dare you

you did not give me the advice. But see the the old, the old advice that that Warren Buffett gave back in the day, as he says, don't don't invest in in many stocks, like, only invest in a handful of them, and that'll take you to where you want to go. Like you know, it's a gambling You don't want to bet on every single game in the NFL. You want to bet on like two or three that you feel the best about. It's called discipline, money management,

and discipline, which is the reason. The main reason people think the reason that gamblers don't win on sports is because of you. It's so hard, it's too hard, and all that stuff. It is difficult. But the number one reason I've heard from people who work in that industry, the gambling industry, the number one thing is there's no self control. I'm in Vegas. I gotta bet on the game. There's only one game left. I'm gonna bet on it.

Even if it's a ship bet and it's it's a terrible bet, you still bet on it because you're there. You want to have a little action. I'll never forget the the grandma in front of me at the sports

book window, who bet? I think it was like ten grand if I remember correctly, I know the number changes every time because I was so but she bet thousands of dollars on the Saints to win the Super Bowl a year they did not win the Super Bowl because she was from Louisiana and she was, you know, from the you know, the land of the Bayou, and she wanted to bet on her Saints and she did and you know, thousands of dollars just because you know, it's

not that's not good money management. It's not. And the other thing also, which is I bring this up a lot, and I apologize if you've already heard it a million times. Bad job by me. But the sports books and the people running the gambling websites, anytime somebody hits like a seven team parlay, they love to tweet that out. They love to promote that. Why would they promote that, because

that's they're losing money on that. No, they know for that one guy that makes twenty thousand or fifty thousand dollars on a seventeen parlay, that they will make their money back in spades on other people, that it's a sucker bet to bet to parlays. And so they know, hey, let me put this out there. And I like the story too. It's great to see somebody who you know, bets seven random games and hits them all and went

a bunch of money. But I know that for Joe Blow, that ain't gonna happen, and so I got sidetracked and I started with my political analysis on how to how to vote, and we morphed into do you have any tips gascons west of the four oh five tips anything that involves tax increasy sc sc SC sc S. Is that the guest gon strategy I, um, so the tax strategy like you you actually mentioned it hit the nail run on the head, is that you look for retired people that have time to break this down and and

talk about it. Um. I have two friends, um, both of their parents actually move out of California because of said taxes and have moved to states like Idaho and Utah. But they're all in in tune with what's going on politically in in the state of California. And then also the chief I had my dad and also go through this stuff with me too, and so all three people, Ben I kid, you not came to the same conclusion on the prop beds here in California. No across the

board except yes on twenty and twenty two. I know for those we have a lot of listeners in California, So walk through twy need to be a yes, all right, So I gotta I gotta pull this bad boy up because I had a lot of them that were this the Is this the one with the property taxes is somehow related to that or no? Yeah? So two has to do with the contracted employers and the employees. So if you do recall like Uber and lift, and I think that's the extent to like door Dash and some

of those companies. Okay, so this is the one where yeah, okay, so they want to get rid of that we're making more more expensive in California. What they want to do is they want to end independent contractors, and in doing so, that would force employeers to hire these people as wage earners, and that wouldn't happen. So basically independent contractors would be put out of work by this um due to the Okay,

so yes would be actually the good thing and not. Okay, so you vote yes on that, alright, Alright, I haven't voted yet. So I texted you a link to all this stuff, a little cheat sheet if you don't oh did you? Yeah, I must. What did you do that? Like seconds ago? When people, oh you just did I don't know, I don't know. I was sending you stories about people we used to work with who've been accused of crimes. I don't know. I wasn't looking at what

you were sending me. Why you look at at Prop twenty and basically what it says, it's a it's a measure that repairs some of the damages by our former governor Jerry Brown, uh, the laws that he made California a little bit less safe. Um. It increases penalties for for theft and fraud crimes that Jerry Brown had reduced to like misdemeanors, requires convicts to submit a DNA for the state and federal data databases. UH. It also restores the ability of a proe board to keep prisoners behind

bars that they deemed dangerous. So that that is what we're doing, increase in the law and safety here in the state and decreasing some of the more dangerous crimes here in in the They have a few more propositions at least we're here in California where we live. Oh my god, I mean really yeah, I mean if I mean, the one that jumped out to me the most was Prop And for those that don't know, it's a catch release, no cash bail. Oh yeah, like you know that's gonna

pass it's California, man, it's California. They're gonna that's gonna pass. They're gonna. I mean, if you remember the summertime, you can remember what happened in New York. Like people in New York that was your catch or release, throwing molotov cocktails in the morning, getting arrested and throwing them again at night. You had you had an attorney, a young female and attorney through a molotov cocktail at a cop and she got arrested a lot with her boyfriend. They

both got out within twenty four hours. Like can you think about Like I know people don't want to think about this, but could you imagine throwing a molotop cocktail at someone in law enforcement in China? Like you wouldn't be thrown by the bars, You'd be thrown into the gulag or the ground. Actually be thrown in bang bang You're dead. I think would be the way the way that would go. All right, well, good news there, and you want to go over the propositions in New York

or Ohio or Texas or just this. We live in California, so we'll be a West coast bias. Man. We should get it from your brothers. Then yeah, well I know my my brother in Wisconsin will will vote the opposite of mine vote when I'm voting, So I know that. And then I don't know what my brother New York's got going on, but you got all I do know my brother in New York, who's lived in New York since the early nineties. Uh, not a big fan of

Mayor to Blasio. Not a big fan of the way New York City is going here in recent years, right into the ship hole. Uh so, not not a big raw rock guys, So are you ready to do some gambling here? Are you ready? This is gonna be It could be a tradition every four years, God forbid, we're

still doing this in four years. I used to do this on the radio, guest gunt, so I want you to know this is a bit that I used to do on the radio, and when I did it before, even though politics have always been obviously uh fiery and all that at it never was that over the top like it is now. Yeah, this is flammable. This is it's a highly flammable material. But we're gonna do it anyway. And again we believe, you know, talking about politics and

people say the dividus. But even if you're a Democrat and you know you think we're just a couple of Republican bosos or whatever, Listen, we can all make money. I'm willing to bet on bets that go towards the Democrats if I know it's a sure thing. I'm not. I'm in it to win it. Okay, we can have the common goal that's all unite as people, every man, woman and child, and make money. Right, make money. And if you live in a state that allows you to bet on this stuff, take advantage of it, right, take

advantage of it. There there's not a lot of sure things when it comes to some of these states. It is as close it's in some of these states. All right, So I'll walk through this. Now, we gotta keep track of this. So are you gonna write this down or we need somebody a listener to write this down. I'll write it and I'll be curious to see where we go. Now are you when you did this before? Did you tie any of these bets to parlays or these just

straight up independent bets? Well, it's these are all obviously prop bets, so we would just do individual profits. But you can parlay them. Okay, if you want um. So I'll just go through this in no particular order, no particular order. Now, why don't I start with the Should I start with the the bets you should make that, I think? Or should I start with the bets you shouldn't make the safest or the worst? What do you want? Let's be the safest, right, dash money out of the way,

all right. So this is kind of obviously if you follow political politics even a little bit, just casually, and I'm on the sidelines, I worry. I'm a sports guy. I mean, that's my my passion. But how can you not. The NBA has become a political party recently. So it's like the the third or the fourth political party, I don't know. So it's sports are sports and politics are intertwined, which is a mistake, but they've decided to go down that road. So as a sports talk to your host,

you have to pay attention. All right. So if you want to make money, and this goes for Democrats or Republicans, there are a few states where Donald Trump is garroltre garltree to win. The most obvious one is Alabama. All right, Now you can bet on this state by state props. They are available, you've gotta shop around. Um, they're not available everywhere. We'll tell you gotta look a little bit. Uh. But Alabama Trump. Is there any way that Alabama would

vote for Joe Biden? No way? Right? Yeah, the Republican nominee has one Alabama by twenty points since the twenty four election, and in Trump won by That's a pretty big gap there in Alabama. Now, I'm gonna throw Texas out here. Some people think Texas might be in play. I don't believe it. I don't buy it. Some people

say it's a swing state and people are yapping about that. Now, this is not as big a guarantee as Alabama, But I find it hard to believe based on some of the comments of Joe Biden and his people in the weeks up to the election, involving anti gun positions and fracking, which seemed to be I know it's cliche, but seemed to be very important issues to the people of Texas. Uh. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that's SIMI come on, right, how about South Carolina? That's another one South Carolina minus

six going red. Yeah, I mean, you're not getting value on that but you went a little, bet a lot, went a little with very little chance of actually losing. To put this in any kind of sports context, this would be the equivalent of Kansas City and the New York Jets. You're betting the Kansas City money line exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that's good point. You have a twenty point favorite. You have a twenty point favor is betting the morning. I just have to win the game. You just have to

show up and win the game. Make sure you show up on time. Don't don't be all staggered and drunk, and play the game you're to win. So South Carolina is that Oklahoma again? Oil industry? You know, the oil industry is big in Oklahoma, and uh, Joe Biden's anti oil. He's been very clear about that. I don't even been clear, but he's he's talked out of both sides of his mouth. So you have to decide, and um, you know, say what you want a boy Trump, but he's been very

supportive of the the oil industry. So you gotta say Oklahoma was on that list. Any other states those are mine. So there's a couple other ones that jumped out to me. Um, South Dakota is minus sixties. I don't know anything about South Dakota politics. But Tennessee is uh is minus five thousand. I don't know. A lot of California is moving to Tennessee. A lot of California liberals moving to Tennessee. Don't know. Utah's minus five thousand. Yeah. Utah's one where you would assume, yeah,

that would be that would be a stutter. Yeah, Trump doesn't win Utah. Um. I think I told you the other one off the air, Idaho. Idaho is minus ten thousand. Oh is that right? Yeah, doing a lot of police go to Idaho. It's like retired police or they go to retire to Idaho, get off the grade, go to hunt in the whole nine yards. So yeah, Oklahoma and Idaho are probably your pick, your your biggest chock on favorites to win. Have you ever been to Idaho, by

the way, I've never been there, I have. Yeah. Is it good? Is it nice? I seem I assume it's just like Washington State or something like the same geographical area, like when you get outside in the boon docks and you have fun. That's all I think we asked or someone asked us this back during the summertime if you hunt. But if you hunt like I think you'd have a really good time out there. Well, I hunt, and I caught a certain steak. It's in my freezer right there. Yeah,

pretty impressive. It's a good catch. Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it all right. Now, if you're a Republican, you want to win money, bet on a Democrat to win the presidential election. We're focusing on again. This is as you said, chiefs Jets, this is the opposite for the Democrats, for Joe Biden. California A California A. Yeah, there is no way that Donald Trump wins California. That

is guaranteed to go. In fact, if Trump won California, that would be the single biggest political upset of all time. People think his election win was the biggest upset of all time. No, if Trump were to win California, that would be know, it's Joe Biden's gonna win one of the odds and I don't even have that in front of me here, but that's for California to go Democrat, it would be minus oh wowm actually minus fourth thou Wison for a Democrat to win it, and Republican one thousand.

That's actually not as strong as I thought it would be. Now. The other one that's obviously is New York, New York, the big Apple. Right, even Trumps there from New York, New York. He's moved to Florida. But yeah, there's very not very little. There's no chance Trump's gonna lose New York. Right, that's not New York. New York is minus T going blue. All right. Uh. Then the other one for Biden, I would assume, because of his history politically, would be Delaware.

How how the hell could Joe Biden lose Delaware? He was the senator for like every my entire life up until ten years ago. He was the senator in del I'm not kidding, by the way, up until he became the Vice president of the United States. He was the senator from that time I was born until he became

the vice president, which is insane to me. I had a I had looked something up because you mentioned California, and I found this online and it said that outside of nineteen sixty four, California was primarily a Republican state until nineteen when Bill Clinton wanted How wild is that? And then it just has completely gone the other ways. God straight blue. Yeah, I got one more on the Biden if you want to win money on this and our friends listening in Minnesota, right, that's you think that

Biden's got to take Minnesota, don't you. I mean, that's it seems that way. They there's there's He's not a big favorite in Minnesota. He's only minus three sixty. But Minnesota I read I was doing some research, guests, because I'm a loser and I do political research for a dumb podcast, but that Minnesota has voted blue other than Richard Nixon in nineteen seventy two. He won there. But other than that, Minnesota is voted blue since JFK in

nineteen sixty. So it's Tricky Dick and nobody else that they've supported on the Republican side in the state of Minnesota. We don't forget the riots though during the summertime, and then you get the city council members that have actually asked for defunding of the police, and then they get private security. Um, you might get some people a little piste off and going the other way just out of spite. Now the worst states that are completely a toss up

that if you this is real gambling Arizona. Who the fuck knows what they're gonna do in Arizona, No idea. Half the people think Biden's gonna win. Half the people think Trump's gonna win. Arizona does have a history of being a red state. Um, But I don't know, man. It's like, you know, like California has moved to Arizona, which is wild. You move away from what you didn't like, going to vote the same way. It's like the guy I told you. I was in the line at Walmart

returning something. This guy was behind me from Texas and he was complaining he was missing family in California. And he's like, you know, lifetime Texan, like the whole he might as well wearing a cowboy hat and boots. And he's given me this whole rap about how you know it sucks all these people from California moving to Texas and they're voting the same way they did in California.

Now Texas is turnaly like California is complaining and all this to give me this And I was like, all right, dude, I don't know, man, I don't know what's going on. Calm down. I'm thought, I'm not living in Texas, Man, I don't mind voting that way. I didn't do that. How about North Carolina? North Carolina looks like it has the biggest split. North Carolina both ways as minus one fifteen Blue or red. Yeah, yeah, that's South Carolina's red and North Carolina's up in the air. Why would that

be though it's the Carolinas. Why would one of the Carolinas be one way and the other one up in the air. Don't know, that's a good question. Strange. What's in the water. How about Wisconsin state? My my younger brother lives in He's on team blue, and that's that's in the air. That's a toss up state, right, That's a that's in play, that could go either way. Yeah,

Wisconsin Democrat minus three hundred, Republican plus two twenty. The Wyoming's minus ten thousand for Trumps, right because there's only seven people that live in the state, so they that's great about Iowa. They got all those independent voters in Iowa, Yeah they do. Yeah, they're really split all the way

around where our friends in Iowa do here. Now, you know what I was shocked to see based on on this with the Electoral College but the popular vote is pretty tight too, Like it has Biden winning minus five fifty but Trump plus three fifty. That's that's pretty damn it. All right. So so again just to recap, though, we'll move on to some other I have some other odds here in front. I did a lot of research here. Guest again, I'm a I'm a loser. I am a

freaking loser, all right. So my safest bet on Biden guaranteed to win money, mallard guarantee. You should never take advice from a podcaster overnight radio guy. California, New York, Delaware for Biden, Maryland too, Okay, you're putting Marylo. That's you're you're putting Maryland. I got California, New York, Delaware for Biden for Trump, Alabama, South Carolina, and Oklahoma Oklahoma, Idaho, Okay, Idaho and soklahomare both minus. Keep track of this. We'll

see how we do, alright. We'll see how we do on that. Uh, and you know, we'll move all right. So I have some other props here, some other props on this I don't think we need to do. They have the state by state electoral college props. That's way too. I mean that will be here all day, will be here all day. Nobody wants that. Um, I do have here the popular vote odds? All right, which party will

win the popular vote in the presidentential election? Now the odds I have here, Uh, this is from odds Shark are minus five fifty that the Democrats we'll win. Now you understand how the odds work. So for those that don't, if the uneducated, I won't help you, that implies a five fifty minus five fifty bet implies that there's an eighty almost an eight five pc chance that the Democrats are going to win the popular vote. It's like it's like being favored by what like a touchdown or eight points.

That's that's more than that. That's that's like having Randy Johnson in his prime on the mound against a team that's gonna lose a hundred games. Is what that's like. That's it's you're getting. That's a big number. That's a big no bur um. But that's where it's at, you know. Now. In Trump's vote count was sixty two point nine million. Hillary Clinton was at sixty five point eight. So it was close. It was very close, right, it was very close. But will it be that close again? It's up in

the air. And will the winner Here's another one. Now, I'm gonna vote the Democrats win the popular vote. You want to take the Republicans as an upset? No, I think you're not. You're not a sucker. I got you, all right. Will the winner of the popular vote also win the electoral college? Now, keep in mind that Trump did not win the popular vote, but he won the electoral college. And you don't have to win the popular

vote to win the election. People don't seem to understand that, even though we've just seen it multiple times in the last twenty years. Um. So the odds on this are minus two forty that the winner of the popular vote will also win the electoral college. Uh, and so that's

about a seventy percent chance. I this is actually a bit that I'll go the other way, and I'll say that, you know, if we think Trump's gonna win again, that that would be a no vote because it would be the same thing as in Steen, where you get more votes on the Democratic side, but the Republican gets the electoral college. See, his ground game is stronger than Biden's. He's been campaigning all over the country, which I think gives him an advantage of being front and center, even

while being well front and center. But the also also thing is that CNN has been the Donald Trump propaganda channel, even though they don't realize that they're not that bright,

but they talk about him all the time. Every news channel, MSNBC, the people that are political that watched these political shows, they just ranted, any publicity is good publicity, which was talking about They're talking about Trump, which is so odd because they basically said in sixteen that Hillary dominated him in in contributions and in fundraising what she did, but he didn't need to raise more than her because he had the free advertising television and radio. Like you just mentioned.

It was wild, and I think it's the same thing now. Alright, more prop bets. This is a good one because we work in sports radio and we have been inundated, we have been overwhelmed. We've been indoctrinated with vote, Get out and Vote. Pete Carroll on TV with a cute commercial, Lebron James, get out and vote, Wokesters, the Wocalati in the NBA with the vote on the uniforms and the

whole thing. Get out and vote percentage of voter turnout for the presidential election over under sixty point five percent of the American people will vote. Now over is minus one fifty, minus one fifty under is plus one ten. What's the total again, sixty point five percent of the American people? And what's the what are we as a country? Three hundred and sixty? I think we are? And let me let me get the I got. I got have to go to the world meter on this. Let me

go to the world meeter on this. Three out of thirty one million, three thirty one million people. So let's do some more math. And I said there would be no math. Guest gun, they said there would be no math. So if I'm correct, uh, let's see sixty percent of three D thirty one, So it would be if we're doing sixty two hundred and one million or two hundred one million, nine ten thousand. Are you sure I have a D eighty four million? That's what I have? Well,

you're doing what am I doing it wrong? I'm gonna hold on sixty one of three hundred Uh oh, you're right, two hundred two hundred millions. Only that mhm, this is tough one. I mean they been a lot of a lot of propaganda to vote, I know. But the thing, but I think people are lazy. I think people a lot of people like, you know, screw these people. I don't want to vote. Screw you. I'm not gonna vote. Who cares. Let's see here the thing mail in voting. Yeah,

that's true. That's an equalizer. And there's else to do right now because of COVID. Yeah, but it takes effort to fill out a ballot and mail it in, right, It takes effort. People are lazy human nature. People are lazy, right, And a lot of people don't care. I mean, we think these political people like everyone's all upset. You know, these athletes think everyone's all A lot of people don't give a ship athletes the vote, Yeah, exactly, as we learned.

As then many of them were not even registered to vote because who they cares? You know. And then I think the less likely to vote would be the the up and comers that are just able to like the eighteen and twenty four year olds. I disagree. I think when you first it was I grew up in a family that kind of cared about politics, but it was like a big deal. Your first presidential election when you turn eighteen, that's like a big deal. You know. He is like a write of passage. You finally get to

vote for president and as a big deal. And I remember when I first did. I was telling my family about like how I voted, and I voted. I didn't vote like political party. I went one way on certain things and one way and another. I got fucking decimated. So I'm like, what the fun. You gotta pick a side, man, You gonna pick a side, all right. So over on, I'm gonna take the under. I'm gonna I'm not gonna

believe in the American people. I'm gonna say, I'll say it's like fifty five percent, but it's not gonna be over six. So I'll take the under total votal voter turnout easier for me to say. I'm gonna take the plus one ten. As a value play. You want in on this, Gascunt, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the over optimistic Pollyanna Gascunt. Yeah, I just think, yeah, I think we're gonna have more engagement this year than than we have before. And well, I agree, we'll have more, but

we can have more and not that sixty threshold. It's a large number. It's a big number. Man. That's a massive country, three thirty million people. And this is assuming that that ballots that do get sent in a little bit later counted to Now do we count in the the people that are going to vote three or four times? Does that count as part of the sixty percent? I don't know. How's that work? Well, if we count them, we have to count the dead. If you count that, well,

that's Chicago politics politics, right, that's Chicago politics. All right. Here's another one voter turnout for election over under a hundred and forty nine point five million voters, a hundred and forty nine So this, if you vote over, then you're gonna on the first one. You gotta vote over on this, don't you? I think so? Yeah, I think it's safe to say I'll take the under. I don't believe in people. I don't bet on people. I'll take the under at least when it comes to this, well,

will Trump lose every state he lost in? Definitely? Not. Now, yes, is minus to ten though, so you're gonna take no at plus one seventy. So which state that Trump lost do you think he's going to win this election cycle. Um right, now, do do do do? Do? Do Do? Do? Do Do do? I don't have the list in front of me here, yeah, um states that Trump lost in. Um. Um, Well, I can get it. I think I get it. I got a link Carolina. Second, let me see if I can get this up. I have a couple of political

sets that they go to. Let's see, all right, he uh, I think he's gonna win. I think he's gonna win Minnesota. Okay, So here I have let's here the states Trump lost in, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Nevada, Maine, Colorado, in Virginia. So I Nevada would be Nevada, New Hampshire are very close. I mean all those were pretty close within a few hundred

thousand votes. Or actually, in the case of Maine, how about Maine, our friends in the great state of Maine, it was like less than a little over two thousand votes, f little over two thousand votes. New Hampshire was about three thousand. Minnesota was forty thousand votes in favor of Hillary. Uh. Yeah, I I now that I look at the list, guess I I agree that one of those will flip that whether it's Nevada or Maine one of those ago the other way. So I'll say yes on that. That's a

minus to sixty. I see here minus two sixty. Now the odds changing a little bit. The gambling market. The gambling market, Uh, let's see, well Trump we to every state he won in TwixT, that one's going to be this is this is Yes is plus four d no is minus seven hundred. So the gambling market tells you that they think this is He's not gonna win everything. Okay, because last week I saw that Biden was leading in Pennsylvania.

But after what what down last weekend and now into this week, it shows that Trump leads by three points. So I think if he loses a state of the ones that he did win, I think he loses Pennsylvania, but I don't think he's losing Florida. Yeah. Well, those are the big ones in the rust belt, right, the rust Belt, the Upper Midwest, the dairy belt. You know that's uh, but Minnesota, Wisconsin, the dairy belt, those are big and just having the pulse of the people from

the people that call in. We have so many great listeners of Fox prustrated all over the country, but especially in the Midwest and the middle part of the country. I just get the sense from these people maybe it's confirmation biased because of the show, but that they're still

all in on Trump and all that. Uh. But yeah, I think the smart bet would be no, because you know, I think it would be a little bit of a change here, Like he could take Nevada, but he'll give up uh, you know, pick pick a state, you know, Pennsylvania, He'll give up one of those other other states. I don't have. I don't have any friends I think that I directly talked to that are are either moderate or red. Everyone's blue. Well, you live in California, man, what do

you want? That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter location, location, location. Plus a lot of people with Trump don't want to admit it because they get shipped from people if they say they support Trump, they get tagged with the isms. I guess you're into racism and all these. Um let's see what are the Trump bets? When will Trump be replaced as president? You want that one? Yeah, give me that one is plus twelve hundred, one is minus one, two is plus thirty three thirty three hundred plus four

would be plus five thousand, twenty five or later. Which would seem to indicate that he will not only win this election but then stay on after that. That is plus two hundred. Yeah, I I just saw an allowed on alarming prop bed. But I'll wait to get to that one. I think if he does get removed, it will be obviously one. Yeah, okay, well Donald, here's a negative one. Will Donald and Milania Trump be divorced? By one? Now? The gossip pages though, use those tawdry gossip pages. Uh yeah,

I'm gonna go now on that. I think there's a lot of bull crap. Oh, here's one. This must have been written by somebody from the Blue Party. Will Donald Trump be in Russia on February one? You can only bet yes on that at plus plus. It does not stop, It does not stop. What else do we have? I got a few more of these here? Do you want? Do you want early presidential election candidates from Yes, Yes, let's do that. How about this one for the Democratic Party?

Your odds on favorite? Can you guess? Oh? I don't know, cam Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris. She's tied for second right now. The leader is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez Favorite Democratic? Can you guess who the Republican candidate is, as like, I have no idea what the Republicans. I the odds on favorite is Donald Trump? What? Yes? Oh, so they think he's gonna lose this election and then come back

and run again. Oh interesting, NICKI Haley is running second, and then John Kasik and Mark Cuban and Mike Pants are running a third. Mark Q was not a really a Republican though, Come on, but Trump, that's a good play. Right close election, Trump loses, Biden fuckx up the country more over the next four years and crime runs rapid and all the taxes go up, and Trump's like, hey, call me in, coach, I'm ready to play. Put me back in. That's actually a good call. I could totally.

People would be like, oh, I gave Biden a chance. He fucked, But didn't Biden say he's only gonna run one time? I didn't that maybe lied. I don't know, I didn't. I read that quote that he said he's only be a one term president, he's not going to run for re election because of his age. I don't remember that, but I remember reading that that He's like, because he's seventy seven, right two? Next time? He's around. So that poses my next question, and this is the

one I want to hammer. This is like a This is like a field goal bet in the super Bowl. But have you found a prop bet for Joe Biden that if he wins the election, will he or will he not serve out his complete first term? I have not. Um, that's a very ghoulish maccab one. Now you would say he wouldn't serve his full term, not for scandal, but for health reasons. Uh well, I mean they had that before Trump got elected. They said would he finish out his first term or would he be impeached? I don't

think if Joe Biden wins, he finishes his full first term. Um. Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Um, but he's certainly You look tape of Biden when he still had his fastball, you know, you're I mean, he was so sharp and you know, political hacks though, but he he was on his game. He was good. He was good at politics. He sucks now he's terrible. He's like we get at Bernie's. But hey, he's got a chance to be the president. Um.

What other problem I got? Us? Senate control started the Congress. I think I think the Republicans are keeping the Senate. Democrats are actually favored the gambling market. Democrats are minus one eight. Oh wow, minus one eight favorite for the Democrats to control the Senate. So if you get Biden and Democrats controlling the Senate control three all three? Uh yeah? All the House of Representatives? How's that going? How's that

going to go? I think that goes blue? Okay, so what you said no, you said you hope it goes red, but now you said blue? No, no for the Senate. For the Senate, yes, so you think the Senate goes But which is what they're saying that Democrats minus one d al right, but what are Republicans on that? Republicans on the Senate are plus one thirty five? Wow plus. You don't like that? Not something I put money on. It's chance the Republicans will when the Senate have to

control the balance of power if you will in their favor. Um. Oh, here's one. Will Donald Trump be kicked off Twitter? Before? Now? This is I've heard this that if Trump is no longer president, he will be kicked off Twitter. This will be like the magnum opus of the the dopes that run Twitter, that they'll find you know, oh he's not president, we're gonna kick him off, you know. But if he wins, I don't I only think he can really kicked the president off Twitter. So this really depends if you think

Trump's gonna lose or not. Yes is plus eight hundred, No is minus hundred. The counter argument, as as much as the was it that Dorsey guy? Is that the guy's name Jack Dorsey? Yeah, and uh, he's kind of changed his appearance. He looks like Jesus all of a sudden. Have you seen the photo of him this week? Anyway? Uh? Yeah, I mean it's it's one of these double edged swords things like politically, the people that are on Twitter obviously cannot stand Republicans and hate Republicans and they try to

block Republicans and all that their enemies of Republicans. But Trump's good for Twitter. I mean this, I mean the fact that every news organization is quoting what Trump said on Twitter. That's a that's wonderful. It's free advertising, endless free advertising. Why would you give that up? And even when he's no longer president, you're still you look at this,

You're like, hey, uh, you know, he's still the former president. Yeah, it's it's the engagements, right, because no matter what he tweets, there's always people responding to something. Yeah, I just realized, I guess a little voice in my head just pointed out that we've gotten so carried away with this that we've gone way further than we were supposed to go on this pod. Yes, we were, We're just a couple

of hacks. Uh, we've we've completely blown the clock so much for being on time, Mather by the clock for the clock, posibly all about the clock. So how about because I have I have a little something that I have acquired for our our live streaming, Benny Versus the Penny purposes, which is available by the way, Friday night nine thirty in the West and after the Witching Hour twelve thirty in the East. We'll have Benny Versus the Penny.

If if we can get someone to do a parlay with like let's say five five picks and then tweet you a picture of it, Um, we'll put that on the show and we'll find a way to put that person on Benny Versus the Penny for a segment. Yeah, and if you want to play along. I know this is a podcast. And one of the things I love about the podcast is you can listen whenever. One of the things I hate about it we don't get real

time feedback. So if you want to play this little game, you heard our bets on the election, If you want to write down your bets, but you gotta email them to me before the elect don't. Don't be one of these uh retrospect guys at these hindsight guys after the election. But bet on that I knew, I bet I got everything right. No, don't do that, But I like, I like your idea. If you could bet of like a five leg parlay on the Biden states and the Trump

states that are guaranteed, how do you lose that? I mean, I guess there's always a chance, but man, yes, all right. So to recap you have for Republicans, you go Alabama, Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma. I also added Idaho because of the same odds as Oklahoma. For Democrats and Biden, you go California, New York, Delaware, and then I added Maryland because it's

pretty high for him as well. Popular vote, you went Democrat. Um, you went under the total vote which is under sixty point five and also under the total hundred and forty nine over under hundred nine and a half million Americans. Right, you went under on that, yes, so okay, and you went over yes, very optimistic, ask yeah, what happened? All right, I'm gonna tell your dad, man, this is not I guess I'm gonna tell on you man. I'm gonna I'm gonna snitch. I'm gonna do it. All right, Well, that

will have no time for the other podcast. But that's fine, I mean, that's fine. I'm okay with that, right, I'm I'm fine with that. You know, the next time we're excited about the election, right, we're gonna get get out and vote. That is that we have to do something like pearl clutching and like take a set. All right, what one more profit, one more properful? We get out here? Over under? How many writing votes yours truly gets I've

already gotten too. I've already had two people that have sent me their vote that they have written my name in ed from Spokane and the blind Scott Hotties have voted for me as their president, their commander in chief. So we've got to not that we should encourage this, and we're certainly not. But we know they're are plenty of malle militia people that are that have fully taken the cool aid. We love you, you know, they're drinking

the purple kool aid. So I'm gonna say I get I think I've got three more votes, say six total, I can get to five. I think there's three more people I can get that are p ones that don't give a shit about politics and just as a lark, like because people are pressuring the vote, and so like, okay, i'll vote. I'll vote for mallor do you want me

to vote? You didn't tell me you to vote for I'll vote for mallor So that means you'd probably get these people from either California, New York, Massachusetts or I think those are I think those are the well know, how can do big in Texas, We do big in Minnesota, Maine, we do very well in Maine. But those states are questionable. Those are like tops. Okay, so you're not yeah, only if you're in a state which is already the centered in your votes, completely irrelevant, can you vote for mallor

that's it. We gotta get out of here, all right? They all right? Uh, appreciate it. Good luck. Will be back on Saturday and Sunday Benny Versus the Penny again. Most people listen to this podcast prior to late Friday night, so Benny Versus the Penny Friday night to night thirty in the West in the Pacific time zone, and then at twelve thirty am, past the Witching Hour, in the middle of the Witching hour. Uh, and that will be obviously after midnight early Saturday morning. Have a great day

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