Real & Raw with TJ Houshmandzadeh

as the Fifth Hour takes no days off. Well that's actually not true because the Fifth Hour, as you know, it's only available Friday, Saturday and Sunday. But we have the radio program every day of a week. We've got some kind of audio content here, a spinoff of the Ben Mallar Show, because four hours a night are not enough, eight days a week, eight days a week. Joined by the gentleman from West of the four oh five, David Gascott. I'm making you the room, the room. I'm here, I'm here,

I'm here. It's gonna be here, very exciting. It's better. You don't want that at all. We want well, I typically I do not book boring guests. I book guests that are you know, younger than fifty five, and uh I have. I have booked Hall of famers, I booked pro bowlers like the one we have on deck right now. Well, listen, some of us were raised properly. We were raised not west of the four oh five. We were raised to respect legends and elders, and we look up to those

people and give them a voice. We don't just shoot them away because they're past a certain age. We respect the knowledge, the wisdom. And I want to get every old NFL coach I can. In fact, my goal is to get Jerry Glanville on this part. I am efforting to track down Jerry Glanville just I don't even care if we talk about anything other than his famous quote the NFL not for long, make calls like that that is, that's just that alone. And Jerry's Jerry's up there, so

I want to get him on. But Jim, Jim Morrow was so good last week. I love Jim. Jim was great. I told this the story. I don't I did not realize Jim had. You know, he's eighties six, and you know, guestcount, I'm very bad. I think everyone's around my age. Give or take a couple of years. Even children, I think around my age like oh kids, I'm like, oh, it's probably close to my age. I have no concept of age. I just think I think everyone's around my my my

number and all that. But I was around Jim before. Jim's always acted even when he worked at the company. You know, I knew him back in the day. Jim Moore was always very related bowl young vibe and all that. And then I reached out to him and I didn't realize he still got it, and good for him. Good for him. Another guy that's got it is our colleague. He hosts a radio show at f s R on the weekends as a podcast as well. And you you know him from his days with the Cincinnati Bengals back

in the day. T J. Hush Manzada, What a name, What a name? He led the NFL, I tied for the lead in the NFL and receptions back in oh seven. Played eight years as a white out in Cincinnati, and that was the era where the Bengals were a playoff team but then couldn't get over the the hump the

Marvin Lewis years. The first part of the Marvin Lewis uh Era in Cincinnati and then went off and played for Seattle and Baltimore finished up with the Oakland Raiders, and he is now gonna spend some time I said. He actually uh the show he does with LaVar Arrington and Plexical Brook. We had Plexical on the podcast a while back, and so they all get together. It's called Up on Game. Up on Game is the name of that.

And so we welcome in t J hush Man, Zada and t J the the broadcasting thing you've been I've been doing it for a while now. And is this as easy or is it harder than you you thought it would be. I have not mastered it. Um listening to guys like you and others picking up things that you guys do, because obviously you've been doing it a long time. It's not as easy as I thought it would be when I initially got into it. Obviously reps will make you better, but I enjoy it. I'm a

people person. Those that know me, no, I like to talk, and so what better way to do it to talk about something that I'm passionate about and I care about absolutely? And was this your plan when you were playing back? When you're in the NFL. Did you always have an eye on doing some media stuff when you were done or is this something that popped up that was not

in the plans. It wasn't in the plans. What happened was while planning in Cincinnati, I had quite a few reporters tell me that I should do this when I was done playing. And so those reporters, thank you. Um, they put it in my head. They started telling me this early in my career. I wasn't even playing much, but they always said I was a great interview. They said I spoke well, and then I would always throw

this in. I'm like, man, I look good, so I'm good for TV, right So uh yeah, it was the media members in Cincinnati that, uh told me I should look to get into it, and so I just took their advice. And here we are. Look at that a career, a career born right away. Uh we love it. And now you've been out. You last played like ten years ago, so you've been out of the NFL for a while now, and I believe my last year was twelve, So it's

a little less. Do you get like a gold watch on your tent anniversary from from not playing in the NFL after you've retired. I don't know how that we do not, but that might be a hell of an idea. I need to contact them and the NFL offices and uh, everybody that played over a decade to get a ten year gold Rolex. Yes, dropping a bucket. We need, we need,

we need a petition to start that. I agree. Well, listen, you're part of the the Former Players Alumni Association, so there's some some group that you guys are all part of, so you can you can set that up. Absolutely. So I read and I remember watching you play for the band Goals back in the day at t J. But I I read you grew up. I didn't know your your whole story. You grew up in Barstow, right? Is

that right? And I have stopped at McDonald's at that fake train station out in Barstow a million times on my way to and from Las Vegas from from Ali. What was it like growing up there? Though? I mean living there and and your youth and all that. It

was different that McDonald's. Man. Funny story. I used to have a buddy that worked there and we would always go into McDonald's and he would see us and try to run to the back because he knew if he didn't load our bag up with free Big Max and quarter pounders and extra fries and apple pies, it was gonna be a problem when he got off of work. We'd order one meal and we better walk out of there with like seven meals. Yeah. I was just is that like the spot J like in in Barstow? Is

that that's where everyone's passing through there? Now that's not it's really bar stories just really don't to do. You know, everybody knows everybody obviously it's extremely hot. Um, but my grandmother grew up in Texas and she relocated to Barstow. I don't know how that came about, um, but yeah, it's nothing to do. So either you're gonna play sports or you're gonna be in the streets. Yeah that's great.

Well it's yeah, I know. I passed through there and I'm like, wow, that's gonna be weird growing up there, because there isn't when I do. When I drive through there now, I literally say like, how did I live here? Like I have no like when I go through there now, I have no idea. But I thought it was fun and so it just shows you if you're not exposed too much. Whatever you're exposed to, you you think that's normal. Yeah? Absolutely? And then I and you went to a j C.

Right we're in Cerritos. I believe is that right in my career? Correct? I didn't graduate from high school because you know, like I said, you're in the sports or in the streets, and I was the ladder, you're on the streets. And so I, uh went Serrito's College and started to take school and sports serious. Uh. After my first year of coach talked to me and was just like, you're gonna go wherever you want to go. You need to start focusing more on school. The football is gonna

take care of himself. And took his advice. I think I do a good job of taking advice. Oh yeah, no, So was that the moment you said, hey, wait a minute, I can actually, you know, go to college and make some money doing this with the coach that told you, did you have an inkling that you were pretty good at football prior to that? Anybody that knows me sounds cocky.

I think I'm the best of everything. I don't think nobody can beat me and anything, and so I've always had that confidence and he just told me, you know you're gonna do really well the first play. I was a running back in high school. I played one year my senior year in high school. That was the only time I played football, but I was running back, And so when I went three those college I was actually third string at receiver. The starter broke his foot, the

backup got arrested. I was a starter and first played the game my Bomb. Somebody for like a yr touchdown first played the game to start the season and they were like, oh, we got something. And after that I just started taking it serious. Not not the football thing. It was always fun for me, and I think I loved it because I started playing late that I wasn't like a lot of kids that you started playing in six or seven and you get tired of it. That That wasn't the case for me. It was just being

proactive and making school a priority. TJ. What was like when you think about playing days wise, like, what was your best time playing ball? Was it in j C? Was it at the D one level? Was it in the NFL? Oh that's a good question. I I believe the lower levels are always the best because it's pure. It's not at least, it's never looked at as a business. Um, you just have been fun playing football, obviously, going you go to Oregon State, that's when you start to see, all, man,

this guy's a top recruit. They probably want him to play, and you just start to see things. But I enjoyed all of it, to be honest with you, Like I've enjoyed my time in Cincinnati. The ship was so fun, man, I really enjoyed it there. Um, I had never been to the Midwest in my life. The first time I got on an airplane was my recruiting trip, how to Cerritos and I went to Rutgers, and so it was. I enjoyed all of it, But what was the best

time for me? All of it because it wasn't a position I should have been in or people expected me to be in, and I was in it. Do you think guys are losing the innocence of playing the game for fun now that the fact that college has instituted the name image and like with likeness monetization for these guys, I wouldn't say apt because a lot of those kids that are getting those deals, those kids get their ask kiss all through Pop Warner in high school like I was.

I was at a practice last night actually, um, and it's a team called the O G Ducks out here in California. They're probably the best fourteen and under football team in the country. They're not probably, they are the best, and they just so happened to be in southern California. I went out and talk to the kids and those all of those kids are gonna go to the best high schools out here. For the most part, I would say seventy of them are going to be four to

five star recruits. So they're getting there behind kissed early, and they're building up quote unquote there profiled and their fan base, and so these kids are going into college Wood close to a hundred thousand followers on social media just off of where they are in high school and people knowing who they are because they travel all across the world, and so it changes. But the kids are getting these deals, they think they're celebrities and now and

they're in high school. Yeah, but I guess because it kind of goes full circle though. I mean, you get the accolades, you get the recognition, But I guess part of the ingredients of innocence, and you know this from where he came is that you also develop a great sense of grit and how you get your ass kicked and then get up. Do you think there that's being lost? Man? You know what's so funny? I told they asked that last night. I told him pretty much. And I wouldn't

say verbatim give him or take some words. I pretty much told him that last night. And yes, that's always gonna when you're a good player. And we're just talking football. It can't be any sport m can, but they're gonna kis your ass early if you show signs of being a very good player. That's just the world we live in. They're gonna cater to you. You can do no wrong.

And I think that's bad for these kids because once they face adversity, once they face that bumping the road, they've been cowdled all the time because they've been good. Everybody's good when you get to a certain level, and if you don't have that grit, like you said, it's over. What about what Joe Burrow? I mean he obviously popped on the scene at L s U and then goes to Cincinnati UM and gets his knee torn up. What's what's it? Like working with him and what kind of

dude is he behind the scenes. Number One, the way he played against the Vikings in week one was fantastic. Sacked five times and so it wasn't like it cold being clean. He was sacked five times in his first game back from a knee injury. You know, My first impression to Joe was like, he didn't speak too many people when he got there, funk. He didn't speak to

me really initially, just hey, what's up? And so if you I spent probably three and a half four months because that was the year COVID happened, and we will never forget. We're in the gym and he's like, all right, I'm gone. I was like, all right, take care. We're working out. He was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna leave tonight or tomorrow because they're supposed to shut everything down, no flights and on nothing. You know, nobody knew what

was going and had just started. But what I will say is the first impression is the dude is confident. He believes in him. Like t O say, I love me some me. Joe loves him some him like he loves himself, and he truly believes in himself, like you'll think he's cocky, but he's just he just believes in himself, man, And that's part of the reason he is who he is as a player. Is that self belief and offindence

that he has. And anybody that's been around him, they can attest it that he just has a self belief and confidence about himself that it helps him. Obviously he's a good football player, but yeah, it's the self belief and confidence he has. That that's the first thing that stood out to me. If all things were all things were even in the a f C North, would he be your top quarterback in that division right now? Given the ages and experience or life they're other certain guys.

Oh you know what it's really on? What are we judging quarterbacks on you watch? Is it wins and losses? Is it the eye test? Is it the statue put up? Or is it just what I see? And so it's uh, he asked potential to be the best. Let me say that, Lamar. His record speaks for itself. You know, he he gets a lot of backlash and this and that. But you tell me, I don't know who you guys are fans of, but I guarantee you would like Lamar to be your quarterback.

Considering the record that he's had and in short time, that division is tough, I would take Burrow over Baker. I mean, Baker had Baker's good. Baker can play, but he has a hell of a team surrounding him. You put Burrow under center with that group of guys offensively and defensively, he does more in my opinion, and so big Ben obviously being a the older statesman in the division is being good for so long. But if me being a wide receiver and wanting to win, um, I'm

going with Burrow. Yeah, t J. What are the skills? All these guys get drafted because they typically have Buzuka arms canyons for arms when they're draft at the very top of the draft. But for me, it's always been just watching football. The the guy that's accurate to me is more important than the guy that can throw the long ball. As a receiver. Though, when you were playing in the NFL, what was the what was the skill If you were if you were drafting a quarterback, you

could make the perfect quarterback. What would that quarterback have? What would be the number one skill that quarterback that would it be arm strength? Would be running ability? Would it be accuracy? What would it be? Wow, running ability would not be at the top of my list. Um, do you want a guy that's smart? Do you want a guy that can throw an anticipation? If you throw an anticipation that that you're going to have accuracy because you're you're you're anticipating the guy being open. And so

I want a guy that's tough. Can't be a punk because you gotta be able to stare down that rush without staring down that rush and keep your eyes down field. And and I want a guy that's a leader that other men can look to them and follow without feeling like they're less than themselves because you're following another man. Some guys just have a natural ability to relate to everyone. And so I don't think there is a perfect quarterback.

But but I will start with toughness and just ability to relate to your teammates, because if I'm drafting you high, the physical ability is there, I need. I need the other things. How how weird is it teaching when you go to do an NFL locker room and there's guys, there's the quarterbacks that have had their ass kiss their entire lives. A lot of those guys have blue ship players go to big power schools in the Southeastern Conference. And then there's other guys, uh much like yourself. Right,

you had to go to a junior college. You didn't graduate high school. You had to go and fight and scratch and claw and all that, Like what's the what's the melting pot like there? And I know you guys all bust each other's balls and all that. That's part of being in the locker room. But but how how weird is the dynamic there in the NFL as opposed to like college or obviously anywhere else you played. Oh

it's different. I mean you as you play and you navigate through college and you start to get to the NFL. The quarterbacks are always favored. They wear a different jersey and practice you can't touch the quarterback. In practice, you can touch everybody else. We all were the same jersey except for the quarterback. So you you get a picture of the quarterback uh being quote unquote different early on

in your career. That that's just what it is. Um. The media puts the quarterback on a pedestal because when the quarterback and the team wins. Oh my god, the quarterback had a great game. He did fantastic. Oh yes, when they lose, he just doesn't have enough help. You gotta surround him with guys that can help him, and so they can't. They do no wrong because the media will always make an excuse for him. Oh he just the organization is not very good. The guys around him

aren't very good. And then when that changes, you don't say, oh, yeah, he has a great team around him, like we're doing with Baker. He has a great team around him. What do you say? Oh, yeah, the quarterback just figured it out. Man. You know, he went the offseason, he worked really hard. Everything goes hand in hand. I think they get way too much credit. They take way too much blame. But

quarterbacks nowadays are taught to be leaders. Quarterback nowadays, playing seven on seven, they're coming into the league more ready than ever. I've been saying this for years. Seven on seven football has made these young quarterbacks come into the league and they're ready to play. They don't have to sit as much as they used to because they're throwing the ball so much. Coming up. Yeah, hey, teach you one of the one I want to ask you this because one of my pet peeves is the quarterbacks that

get sacked a ton. There's this perception that it's always if the quarterbacks getting sacked, the ton is always the offensive line's fault. And I've known from watching football and you know, being around guys that play, that it's not. It's a lot of the sacks are not because of the quarterback, or it's not because of the offensive line. Uh certain percentage because the quarterback made the wrong decision

or didn't get rid of the ball in time. So but this always blame the offensive line and it's always the offensive line's fault. That's not the case. Am I correcting that? Or am I talking out of my TOOKU? You're correct? I mean you can watch the game for yourself and see. I'll give you two examples. I'll say Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger. They hold the ball, but the majority of the time it works out for them.

They create big plays. And so you're not gonna sing the blues and cry when you lose, So you can't always just grin when you win. Russell Wilson holds the ball, he creates a big play. Nobody on that sideline is gonna say, hey, Russ, we need to get rid of that ball a little sooner. You know, the offensive line had to hold up that protection for a while, but when he gets sacked, it's hey, Russ, you need to get rid of the ball. You're holding onto it for

so long. The quarterbacks hold onto that ball and they make it harder on offensive line. I don't mind it because you get you create big play. Sacks are a good stat but it doesn't tell the whole story of the game. If I give up a sack and the next down I can keep the ball as a quarterback for six or seven sexis and create a big play, it's worth it to me. Yeah. I actually we have you here, teacher. I think it's it's perfect. Were a

few weeks away from the big as. We're talking in real time here, the big show down between the Bill Belichick coach Patriots and the Tom Brady Buccaneers. And this is one of the great barroom debates TJ among football observers. Was it the coach or was it the quarterback who gets more credit in that relationship? Belichick, that's easy for me. That's easy for me. But let me go back to the last question though. If you're putting instant pressure on

the quarterback, that's the problem. But the guys that hold the ball that's the other thing. But now this is very easy for me. You can give me the best game plan in the world. If I can't execute it, is it the best game plan in the world. No chance, no chances. It's not put me in a position to succeed if I don't succeed, like who's faulted. Like Bill Belichick is a fantastic coach. I've never seen him put on a helmet. I've never seen him tackle anyone. I've

never seen him make the play. I've never seen it. It's it's the player, it's Brady. And I've said this years ago. I was I said this years ago, it's Brady, and we saw that last year and so he had Cam newtona it's Brady. You look at his record without Brady, you look at his playoff record without Brady. It's self explanatory. And this is not taken away from Bill belisheck. Bill Blishick is a great coach. He's a great defensive coach.

I believe had Brady not gone to the Patriots, he wouldn't be the Brady we know because I believe being on that team learning from Bill just about defensive football helped him a ton. But you still gotta go execute. You still gotta have that and hit Brady as smart. He understood hands what Bill was teaching. There's a lot of guys that wouldn't get it. That's a talent within itself. If we got to give a percent, I'm gonna say seventy Brady Belichick. That's just me. Yeah, yeah, Well and

the other you know, I mean, teacher. You played for a few different coaches. You bounced around a little bit after you left the Bengals. If you had a terrible coach but you're a great player, would you be able to overcome that? No? No, And a good part of going from different teams that I did at the end of my career, you start to see who's terrible as coaches.

There's a lot of terrible coaches. What makes you when I say that, people like I just looked like this, Like I just looked like this, Like I really understand the game of football every position, Like I really just look like this, and I'm just a receiver, but I can I understand protections like I'm alignment. I understand protections like I'm a course, I understand the game of football and its entirety every position. But you're not overcoming horrible coaching.

And don't get me wrong, Belichick is fantastic, and I've said that, but when I went to different teams, Oh my god, explain to you, well, what makes what are some of you know? I obviously you don't name people unless you want. You feel free to name people, But what makes something going like that? They still coaching? I don't want to get them in trouble, all right, all right, but give me an example of what would be a bad coaching for you that you saw. Okay, for instance,

I'll just give you an example. For instance, like you install the play, and you install this play because you expect them to give you a certain coverage. So certain teams that I played on, we would say, if they play us too high, too high safety that can be covered to cover four, cover six, two man. You just know the look pre snap. You're in a quarterback on the same page, so we're gonna run the route like this, and these coverages got you, so you work on it.

In practice. They give you different looks, so you're not confused. If you see single high, we're gonna run it this way? Got you. I went to teams and I'm like, so if they give us this courage, how do you want us run it? Just get open? I'm like, but if the quarterback needs to throw in anticipation, he means to know how I'm gonna run it. They literally would like,

just get open, and I'm like, really, no adjustments. At half time you can see a team is doing this like it's just it's It was astonishing to me that they spend all this time watching film or the film watchings is watching them, and this is the game plan that they come up with. And as a player, a lot of times I said something and you can't do that because these coaches have friends and they start telling their friends all man tejs asshole, he thinks he knows everything.

You don't want him on your team. That's what starts to happen. They start to batman of you to your friends, and so you think you're happing a teak by bringing this up. But they frowned upon it because they think you think I know more than you, which they probably they do know more to me, but certain cases, nah, and you've talked to any player, they all can give you these type of stories. Yeah, but TJ. In one

sense too, I get the feeling. At least it seems like some of the most successful coaches or even the coordinators in the game. I mean, because you're it feels like for all intensive purposes, you run the same plays. But it's the combinations, it's the motion, it's the shifting pre snap that really throws these defenses off. Like, why are these coordinators, these coaches inability to adjust? Are they just pretty much runs the same Everybody does the same thing.

What you call uh drive, I may call levels, what you call panther, I may call all lying. For the most parts, everybody does the same thing. This is the difference. Sean Payton has this, McVeigh has his, Shanahan has this, Andy Reid has this. I'm sure I'm leaving us some names off, but that's just off the top of my head.

Is the ability to call the right play at the right time, because you have really scouted this team and their tendencies and what they like to do in certain situations down in distance parts of the field you're on. Those are the great play callers. Well, everybody has the same place. It's the ability to call the right play at the right time. Speaking of that, for all that he has accomplished during his career, do you think Aaron

Rodgers is becoming unlikable? Nah? Man, It's like, you know, when people speak the truth, why is it frowned upon? He just told everyone how he felt. But because they got their ask kicked, it's a problem now, you know, And so no, I don't. He was just being honest, Like we all say, we want our athletes and these people to be honest. And when somebody's honest and then they perform and lose the way they do, it's like,

is he becoming unlikable? No? I don't think so. He'll win and they'll win twelve or thirteen games this year. Week one will probably be forgotten about unless they get smoked in the playoffs. It's just he was honest. There are some things he didn't like. Um could he had handled quite a bit of it differently? Yeah, probably so. Had they won, nobody would say anything. But it's because they got their butts handed to him. They got crushed with a new quarterback starting for the Saints, that it's

frowned upon. No, I don't think he's becoming unlikable. He was honest. He he said what he said and that's how he felt, and so I don't mind honesty at all. Well, he he's long in the tooth. And there's another guy that's well liked that Ben absolutely fucking hates, and that's Kyler Murray. Um, Like, does he have m v P potential or does he have those flashes where he can get hot and get streaky? Right now? I mean, we'd have to say he has these flashes where he can

get hot get streaky. But when when you look at it, it's similar to Baker. He has a team around him. And you got Hopkins and A J. Green. A J. Green can play animal straight up play a J. Green getting open. Oh, you also have Christian Kirk and you draft a rondal More. Offensive line should be better. Oh you got Chandler Jones and J. J. Watt, Isaiah Simmons and BUDDA Baker. Like they have a team. The Cardinals have a team surrounding Kyler Murray. He just has to

get the ball to the right guys. What we talked about earlier, Kingsbury has to call the right play at the right time. Um, But he's shown us that he can get hot and streak. He hasn't shown us that he can get to that level yet. But in the game of football, he's still very young. Taj I read a read a story this week by Josh Allen of the Bills that he bars before games. That's his routine. And I've seen some other players that. No, this is a legitimate question. I've ever been in the locker room

before a game you play in the NFL. What are some of the weirdest things guys did? I assume you had you played with teammates that would throw up before games, But what was some of the craziest things you remember from your playing days of guys to get set for a game, to get this is ready for a game, and this is post Lawrence Taylor and you I'm gonna get you one. And I'm not gonna say this guy's name because I think he's coaching right now. Um, I

don't know how it. Guys thrown before the game, Like, I'm not that nervous. It's like it's a nervous anxiousness type of feeling, not not I'm throwing up, but I play with a guy. No lot of this true story and why he would do this. I have no idea. Dude with pee on himself on the sideline and then squirt his pants with water so you couldn't really see. He would peel on himself on the sideline and squirt himself with water with the water bottle so nobody could

tell what he was doing before every game. Every game, Well, teach you have I ain't gonna say his name, but he's a coach right now, and then natural football, we'll teach you. I have a guy that calls my overnight show and then this guy Doc Mike from Chicago, and uh he is he's a big believer and you're in therapy, which is uh. He like drink urine and stuff. He's

into that kind of thing. But uh well, God bless him. Yeah. Yeah, well so some would say maybe not, but make sure you never take a drink from his house unless the bottle has not been opened. He swears. But he sent me a bunch of books, like people have written books about that. It's wild. It's wild and crazy, dude. That's like je Manuel Marquez when he was fighting Mayweather Manny Pacia.

He was taking all these vitamins. I'm a big boxing fan, and he said he'll drink his urine because why did he want to pee out all the nutrients that he had taken? So he would They showed it on TV like he would put it in a cup and drink it. No line, They were, yeah, I mean there's actually some people who I don't. I would rather not drink that and not get the benefits of that. That would be That would be bad. But your boxing guy, any celebrity boxing in your future, t J Any, this is a

new thing. This is the new Michie here. Celebrities. Man, I think I do. I think I do fantastic, But I think the key words in there are I think, now you got t J. The American people need somebody to beat these Paul brothers. We need someone to go in there and slap these guys around. These these it seems like these fights are rigged the way these fights have been going for these guys, and somebody's gotta get in there and kick their tail. They're not fighting real boxers.

As soon as they fight a real boxer, watch what happens. They're good for the sport. I love boxing, man Nay. The audience and the eyes they're bringing is great. They're making a ton of money. That's great for them and their families. But when they fight a real boxer, it's gonna be a problem. They're fighting UFC guys. When they fight a real boy and Nate Robinson, you fight a real boxer that's your size, they're gonna be in trouble. Hey, t J. We gotta we gotta wrap this bad boy up.

I thank you. Anything you want to prom mote, anything you got coming up that you want to yap about. Promote nothing, man, y'all promote your stuff. Man, it was just a pleasure. Oh, nothing to promote, man, I have not one thing to promote. No, it was just my pleasure, you know, coming on with y'all enjoyed it. Awesome. Thank you, t J. Appreciate it. Yeah, no worries day. Take care of brother, See your saturady. You be there Saturday. That's right, let's right, I'll be there a lot. I'm proud dude,

see you Saturday. Man, make sure you get in the gym. Awesome. We'll tag you on this. It'll be up on it'll be up on Friday morning at six. So I got you, man. Yeah, take care of my pleasure. Y'all stay safe. Yeah, thank you, Yes, sir,