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the podcast. And this has been a weekend where yesterday we had Leo Terrell on. Leo has been on the podcast before he came back for his second appearance on the on the show, and now we're having another person on today that was on previously. Is this Are we rinsing and repeating? Is that what we're doing right now? I guess we've run out of friends that we have. Is that's essentially it. We've run out of people that

we know that we can put on the podcast. And so now we're going back and and these these are guys that got big download numbers, right, Leo Terrell and and Lee hacks Hamilton, who's on today, both got a big numbers. Yeah, these are these are like the anti Tom Looney's of the world. You know, these are ratings driven bonanza. Now is that true? Is that Tom Looney? Because I'm gonna let him know that. Yeah, low download

totals by Looney. Huh. Interesting. It was a brutal month of August for everything outside of of what we did. Tom Looney came him in extremely low bad showing by him. Wow, bad job by by Looney. And Looney likes to brag about how popular is. So that's that's all all right, before we get into hacks All, We're gonna have hacksall

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harassing me via text message? Well, I mean this is something that you kicked down the you know, you kicked the can down the road a bit, and this is what happened to you. So I mean, had you not neglected your own body, I wouldn't have been violently in text. Well, I could say the same thing about you if you were like a normal human being and the two would have just left your body, you wouldn't have needed this. But obviously you're such a you're such a meathead that

it can't even leave your body. It's a bad job by you. Yeah, I'm a hoard or what can I say? Yeah? There you go, you are you are a hoarder. That is your future. Right, Let's get to it. You want to get to it right now? Yes, all right, Well I am very excited. As many of you know, I got my start in radio at a college radio station at Saddleback College. But I got an internship as I was a college DJ at the mighty six ninety. This a seventy seven thousand WAT blow torch from Baha to

the Canadian Rockies. In that phrase came from the man that I learned radio from. I watched Bias Moses. I learned from Hacksaw at Lee Hacksaw Hamilton's as he did his show. He is the patriarch of West Coast Sports Talk, the o G of San Diego sports Talk. He's seen and done it all multiple radio stations at the very popular Hasas Headlines. In fact, before we bring Leon, if you were a big fan of Hasas Headlines, you can still get his headlines. He updates them every day. He's

really meticulous. On Lee hack Saw Hamilton's dot com, his website, He's on Twitter at hack Saw ten ninety. You can find him on there. But those Hacksaw headlines. He pretty much just puts the script up that he used for his radio show, and there's a lot of good information that is really what what Twitter has become. Hacks All was the original Twitter. But anyway, all right enough buttering

the Biscuits of Lee has Hall with him. The reason we're having Leon is because San Diego the focus of the sporting world least in baseball trade deadline at the beginning of this week, and the Podres going bronkers at the trade deadline, wheeling and dealing. They made six trades involving over fifteen players. They acquired ten new players, including Mike Clevinger. They spent a lot of money. So leave

let's walking in on this one. I guess the question is this is un This is unorthodox for the Padres. They don't normally do these kind of things. Where did this come from? Well, there's a memo that's going out to the Dodgers and the Cubs. San Diego's coming coming after you. October is going to be very interesting. Ben.

They've been planning to be competitive in they had gone through more than a decade of losing baseball and not been in the playoffs since two thousand and six, spent any enormous amount of money UH in free agency, an enormous amount of money in the Latin American free ation area, and I've overpaid on a whole bunch of their real high draft up the excess to get them locked down.

And as they were suffering all these ninety lost seasons the last couple of years, you looked, you looked down into the farm system and you saw kids having really good seasons at every level. You know, that starts with Fernando Tatis when they got at age seventeen. So we knew they were building, and they kept dropping hands. They hoped to be maybe on the periphery of the playoffs.

But now with the shortened season and the fact that they made some offseason deals that really helped their pitching staff, and they've been able to stay for the most part free of any significant pitching injuries, and everybody else has fallen apart significantly. The Dodgers, the Cubs, and the Potteries. Right now the top three teams in the National League.

And who could have ever imagined would be talking about Washington or Philadelphia or the St. Louis Cardinals just being an utter chaos because of all the injuries that have ripped their clubs up. They got to the trading deadline and they thought, hey, we've got a chance to do something. And what they did was they had stockpiled so much in the farm system and they were facing the potential loss of some of these kids in the Rule five

draft is coming near. Because you can't protect everybody. They decided we were going to start shopping and we're gonna put multiple kids into deals, so we're gonna try to get the right right guys. And you know, turned out to be a nine player deal with Cleveland to get my club Inert, which was huge. The Seattle deal is probably deliverable downroad. That's seven player transactions. So they think right now, Ben that they've got excuse me, every component set.

They are deep in kitching, which is huge in the best of three or best of five series. Right now, they are red hot hitting the ball. You look, you look at their lineup, starting about with the Loodolf guy and then going through about six or seven in the batting order, and they they're all hitting better because they're all supporting each other. So they can't wait for October to come and you know, is it possible they could be a World Series team. I guess anything is possible.

Tampa Bay and Oakland could be World Series teams too, but have to go through the Dodgers or go through the Cubs to get there. But the way this thing is built right now, and if you looked at their rotation on paper, and you looked at the depth of the bullpen on paper, and then you looked at that batting order, as I said, one through six or one through seven, that's pretty comparable to who the Dodgers are and what the Cubs are right now. So I'm gonna

be a fascinating month of October and baseball for sure. Well, and and Lee, as you taught me back in the day, the baseball playoffs are such a crapshoot with the short series and all that. But let's break that. Clevinger is good. I'll give you Clevinger, but some of these other guys I only reworked the bullpen the Dodgers had at the time we're talking here, the top bullpen in baseball. Fact,

they have the top pitching staff in baseball. Like a lot of some of these relief pitchers that the plotters got. I to me, they don't really move the kneel. You do you disagree with that? And you think these guys are actually going to make some impact because I I'm looking at you. You're raiding the Seattle Mariners bullpen and the and the Royals. This doesn't excite me very much. Lee, Well,

they got role players. Granted, they lost Curby Yates with the bone ship surgery, but but they've got Drew tom Morans who's reinvented himself as a short reliever closer. And they got Matt Strong, who has really pitched well since he came from Kansas City more than a year ago. And they've got Trevor Rosenthal who has rediscovered a hundred mile an hour fastball and right now he's pitching like he pitched four or five years ago before he had

the elbow problems in St. Louis. Uh And and they're deep and set up guys, and they still got young arms that they could call up and plug in. So I think collectively, you know, if they were Rolaids reliefaced guy in the pen, No, not at all, not even a Kenley Jansen. But I'll tell you what. They go to the bullpen in the fifth and said extending, they got role players and get you to the ninth and get you to whomever the new closer it's going to be.

So I just think collectively, there's a lot of strength there, and they all throw the ball hard, so attempt Timmy. It's intriguing. And you know, I know from the outside looking in, you know people on Los Angeles, people in New York, But say, who are these guys? What do you think they're good? Well, we've sat here and watched this thing, you know, and I said, I thought they could go thirty five and this year, which we're getting in the playoffs, they might have an outside shot of

winning forty games. Nobody would have ever expected that. So at the front of the rotation, you've got Clevinger, and you've got the kid Chris Paddock, and he set some up to send some downs, but the kids vibrant. And you've got Donelson Lamet, who might be the quietest number

one starter on anybody's staff. And they still got other guys that they can plug in, and that does not We've had no conversation whatsoever yet about Mackenzie Gore or the really highly rated number one draft pick who's sitting on this taxi squad and roster, and Luis Patino who's found a role right now as a setup. So it's they got numbers and that's good pitching beats good hitting, especially in a scary short series. That's that's what really

intreates me. Yeah, and Lee, we mentioned you can't mention the place you've mentioned for Nado t junior, but this guy I was trying to the last time we've had good young players in baseball over the years, and obviously Mike Trout's great near in judge, but the Razzle dazzle that for for Nato to these junior brings. Uh, you might have to go back to a rod to find a guy that brought that impact right away with the Razz. But is this is he gonna be a Padre for

the next ten years? I know he can't be a free agent, I think till he's gonna be in San Diego, certainly over the next few years. But is this a long term guy? Is he gonna have a career where

he stays with the Padres? You think, you know, going down the line ten, twelve, thirteen years or is this once he's a free agent he's out of their situation now because this has become a really good place to play, and they got an ownership that's put a lot of money into this franchise and Petro Petco Park pretty good stadium to play in. It's a pretty good baseball city. If they win, they'll draw three million in that ballpark next to the gas lamp quarter. Says a lot of

positives right now. And you know some of the guys in the media are just running rampant, Well, how are they going to resign them? Etceter with. These guys have paid money. These who would ever thought these guys would have paid Maddie Machado thirty million a year or paid our Cosmo thirty million a year, or dold Off the kind of contract they did to Willmeyer. So the ownership is there, Is it Dodger Rich? Is it Yankee Crazy? No?

But it's it's pretty good. And in terms of Tatisa tell you the reason this team is right now in this funt to go deep into October is are these nicknames El Nino Las Alsa and the Swiss Army Knife, Elninios ct. He does everything. The only thing that scares me about him is he plays so hard. He's going

to get himself hurt because he is reckless. Alas also is Machado now that that put good people around him in the batting order, is a very different ball player than the one that kind of dragged through last season. And and the Swiss Army knife is his kid. They scouted from Tampa Bay. Why the Rays would ever give up on him kind of stuns me. Jake Cronenworth, who plays first, second, third, left, center, and right. And by the way, dude is hitting three. So it's not like this.

This is a guy who showed up in April and disappeared May. He's just he's hitting everybody and again red hot batting order. Short season, here comes the playoffs up. Yeah, it's it's just really intriguing considering all the bad baseball, but fans in San Diego have had to live through and tolerate. Now, all of a sudden, this thing has arrived. I think the shame of it all then is if if fans were allowed in the stadium and we played

a full season, they draw three million. Here. You know, the first half of last season with the arrival of Machado, and he hit early, he hit well, Myers said, well, Eric Hosmer hit, well, they got to the All Star break ATTT five and they punched the Dodgers in the mouth right before the All Star break. I'll tell you what the atmosphere a Petico Park was like going to an NFL football playoff game. I mean it was he elected. So the saddest part is no fans in the stands.

Otherwise they draw three million in this place. Had just going crazy. Right now they're going crazy watching it on TV because they can't go to the yard. I'm happy is that I like the Dodgers. Actually, I'm happy for

the plagect. When I was interning for you that that was around the time the Padres had that fire sale back in the nineties and they traded away a bunch of guys and they I would go to Jack Murphy Stadium and I would get a ticket, the cheapest ticket, and I would be sitting behind the dugout by the second inning because no one, no one was there. Stadium was empty when they got rid of all those guys. But I guess gott this year as well, and he wanted to yap away and he had some things he

wanted to say. Yes, guess count well I was kind of curiously just because of you mentioned the organization and the franchise and ownership group. Do you think they make a move or any moves like this if we're playing a hundred and sixty two games as opposed to something condensed like this. Well, i's this. We're August thirty one and it was the middle of a hundred sixty two game drive and there are only four games out of first place, and in the wild card situation, yeah, they

probably would have. But here they are and they're not going anywhere in the final twenty three or twenty four games that are left in this season. And that the one thing that's different about Padre baseball now than we've seen in a long time. It's not one or two players man roster that contributes, and they are. They are

deep and starting pitching. And now they've got the plethora of guys out of the bullpen, and they've got a couple of kids sitting on the stack squad that a champion of the bid for the next of their opportunity to come be part of this. So now this is this is the real deal. You know, you compare this too, sadly, what's happened in Anaheim where they have Mike Trout and they don't have an awful lot around him. That's what

pottery baseball used to be. One player out of the farm system, you hope it's going to be a star, but there never ever was enough around him. But this is this is the electric and the fact that we're looking at the at this makeup of the postseason. We're best of three, and everybody plays the best of three, and I don't care how good you are, you get scared if you've got to match up with San Diego in the best of three, first round of the best of fives, and then and going from there. So now

this is the real deal. And this ownership has spent a lot of money, They burned through a lot of money, that made some mistakes on money, and yet they've gone back and they've given this general manager of the green light to do this. And so I mean, it's it's really interesting to see how aggressive A. J. Prelor was at the trade deadline, But the fact of the matter was it signed an awful lot of players over about

a four year window. In the minor leagues. They had a lot of bargaining ships and and the unique thing to me is after making six trades right wrapped around the deadline, and after moving out about fifteen total players, they still have all the blue chips at the top of the board in the farm system that are still owned by San Diego. So it's kind of cool compared to where we're then in the past summers for the

last decade plus. Do you proceed with any caution though, because when you look at the divisions and how the alignment is right now, you're obviously looking at the National League West and outside the Dodgers, San Francisco is a punching bag. Colorado is a punching bag, and the same thing with Arizona. And then you look at the American League East as well. You mentioned with Anaheim Oakland is there Houston's teetering on five hundred, But outside of that,

it really is anyone's in one's game. So if ever there was a year for San Diego to get fatten off a mystic, why don't you agree that this is the year? Well, yeah, because, like I said, they've been building towards this and understand this four years ago when they decided to go on this unbelievable spending spree. Uh, to sign all these Latin American players. What they had plotted out was the Yankees are over the luxury tax, the Cubs have spent over the luxury tax, the Red

Sox are taxed out. They're not going to be players for any of these players in Cuba or possibly out of Mexico. Uh and a select odd one or two in the Pacific Rim. And they said, this is the year June one, four years ago, we're gonna go on a spending spree and we're gonna sign all these guys. And they signed all these Cubans. And now not all of them have gotten there yet. They've used a couple

in his bargaining ships. But they had they had pre planned because of the paralysis with the luxury tax and the limits and signing pools for the Red Sox and the Yankees and the Cubs and a few others, that was the or they were going to do it. And they did it, and they got them all signed, and they overpaid for a couple of their draft picks to convince these kids to leave college and and to sign to sign a fodder contract. So you know, here, here's

where they are. Because now they've got good young players in the system. They've used some as as assets to make these six trades. Thought they executed, you know, and they convince convince the free agents to come, so hey, it's it's right there. And they think because Machado is still young, Hosmer still got miles left on him, Trent Grisham is young, Myers is at the midpoint of his career and is having a nice first half of the season.

They think this is not a one time thing. They think because of the numbers that the Puddlers having a system, that they're going to be able to win and stay competitive if they stay injury free on the pitching staff, stay competitive for a bunch of years. Now. Whether or not they're going to be able to go back into the marketplace another summer from now and sign a whole pile more of the next wave of free agents, that's

that's debatable. But they haven't made a lot of mistakes on the kids that they've drafted high, and they've had a lot of eye draft bricks because they haven't made made any mistakes or have guys blow off their arms. So strength of numbers and they seem to have them, and they used some of them, and I still got more coming. I want to get off the padres here and Uh, you are the former voice of the San Diego Chargers. Did a great job, wonderful NFL play by

play run there and it is amazingly. The Charges have been in l A a a few years now and all of San Diego has essentially turned their back on the Charges, which I didn't think was having. I don't think the charge. I talked to some of the people with the Chargers lead and they they thought that a certain percentage of San Diego fans We're gonna drive up and back when fans were allowed to go to games and attend Charger games. And it hasn't happened. It has been unreal. Uh, what

is the NFL fan in San Diego doing that? The old Charger fans, if they have they picked a different team. What's the pulse of the people there in San Diego as far as NFL It's a it's a real viable question. Ben. Uh. This is a melting pot of people from everywhere, and I think that's the intangible thing to make San Diego different from any place else is that you have fans who have moved here who are Patriot fans, or Bear fans,

or Seahawk fans or Dallas Cowboy fans or whomever. So they have a lot of rooting interest about the team back home. And if this team here was good as the old San Diego Chargers became in my era when I was the voice of the Chargers, and then what they became in the Marty Schottenheimer era. For a short period of time, you could not buy a ticket to

a Charger game. Now when they got bad, and then when the ownership made a lot of mistakes in terms of running off the original successful coach, Bobby Ross and then firing and running out Marty Schottenheimer, they turned on the Spoutos family and then the team started fall apart. Philip Rivers was the last linkage between Charger football and San Diego and what is up there in Los Angeles. He has gone and now the Chargers will not be

on anybody's radar at all. And I, you know, I thought it was ridiculous for Spanos his people to keep making these public pronouncement. So Charger fans will follow us, well, the hell they will can compare to what they did to this community. After fifty five years of loyalty, The

TV ratings were cut in half. Where they used to get thirty shares on Sunday, they're getting fourteen shares now, and out of that fourteen shares watching Charger football on TV and San Diego's hate watching hoping they lose, hoping their guys get hurt. I mean, is the anger here has just never ever subsided. Uh. It is interesting to me though that the Rams have made no inroads at all in San Diego. And I thought the Rams might try to do some marketing, considering how they got so

quickly gar A Golf, Sean McVeigh, etcetera. But it's like they've they've kind of ignored the marketer, have not made much of an effort. But the fans here watched the games, they'll watch the Chargers, they watch all the other NFL games on on Direct TV and Sunday Ticket and all that. It's just it's just a very very different time. It's a very empty feeling. There's still a lot of anger

in the community. Um, you know, I did sports talk radio here, Ben, as you know, for twenty eight years, and and NFL football on radio and conversations on talk shows, and the Chargers and the Raiders just absolutely drove the content of what we did on the air. A lot of that has gone away. The sports stalk stations here are really staggering and struggling because we've kind of become

a one franchise town. We've kind of become Jacksonville, will kind of become Port Loan, And that's sad considering how big San Diego County is. Uh. I will say this going forward that as as hard as Tom Talasco has tried, it just can't get a break. Uh. You know, now now losing Derwin James, their heart and soul safety who's just a big time, big time player, is going to hurt that defense. And that defense was slated to have to carry this team because I think the Chargers have

become a very pedestrian offensive football team. They said goodbye to Philip Rivers. He said goodbye to them. I was disappointing that this guy could not finish the season here. This was not so much on Rivers as it was the organizations. I think let that really great quarterback down.

And I know a segment of the media would talk and write extensively about turnovers and interceptions, But when you got a superstar quarterback, thrown for yards was having to do it on a wing and a prayer because his offensive line as a disaster, or he doesn't have enough receivers, or everybody's hurt. Uh. Rivers did as much as when human being could do. And I was hopeful that Philip would finish up here, but they just elected not to

do it. But by doing what they did, now they've got but they hoped would be a very good defense. Now it's dinged up with Derwin James gone for the year, UH at a very pedestrian offense. And you guys know, I know everybody who's covered these teams on the West Coast knows you need star power to draw fans in Los Angeles. And I'll tell you Tyrod Taylor, who's not star power and I need a kid is Austin necklar

As he's not star power. And now Mike Williams is hurt, and Keenan Allen is a year away from free agency where he could walk. Uh. And if you don't have star power a k A Jared Golf or prior to that, Todd Gurley, or you don't have star power Lebron and a D and Kawai Leonard Uh you're in trouble in

terms of how you can draw. And I think this this would be an utter embarrassment of a season if if stadiums were open and the rams were drawn, there's sixties six to seven or two thousand and the charges were drawn twenty one, because that's what I think would have happened had we not had the shutdown of most

of these stadiums around the NFL. So a long answer, but there's a lot of bitterness and disappointment here because the NFL ownership in rocher Gardell let that family take this team out of the city after this city, in this county had put together a massive financing plan to build a shiny new stadium in a market in which they were king and they owned, and now they've gone to a market where they are on the utter outside looking in, on the periphery. They're not going to win

this year, Yeah, they're not. And Lee, I I know you're short, so we got one more. I got one more for you. And you mentioned the fact and it's it's got to be tough for the guys doing sports talk now with only one team in San Diego, and and you have mentioned and you got a great website. Lee Hack saw Hamilton's dot com, the old headline segment which you dominated radio with you. You update that thing every day. It's it's really impressive the amount of work

you put in that website. But the chances of an NBA or NHL team coming to San Diego, there's something going on with an arena? Is that right? What's the latest one that way? And we'll leave you on this note. We've been plagued in San Diego ben by really poor governmental leadership for decades. The prime example, the Podres a decade ago, twelve years ago, decided they were going downtown because San Diego's check Murphy Stadium, as it was known then,

who's falling down? And the Padres decided, we're going downtown and we're gonna build in the old East Village downtown where all these warehouses used to be near the shipping factories. And they had to fight through twenty two lawsuits, but they got Petco Park built, and Petco Park led to

the retuber nation of the gas Lamp Quarter. And I saw you sitting in a bar drink and I know because I was there too, And now we know how vibrant that gas lamp quarter cat Go Park Convention Center area is but it was a terrible fight to get

anything accomplished. They finally got it done. The Chargers had an opportunity to to be co owners of the shiny new stadium on the big parking lot air Qualcomm Stadium, which was the ideal location because it's central to all the highways, and they refused to negotiate and they walked away in the league let them go to l A. It's left behind San Diego State. San Diego State is in the process that just turned the first shovel of dirt last week in building a thirty five thousand seat

football soccer stadium on the Qualcom site. San Diego State has purchased the entire tract of land and that's that's gonna be at what they call an East Village campus

UH for expansion. That that's a thirty year project. The stadium is the first thing that's going to be done in two years now in the center of San Diego, the Midway District, the Sports Arena district ban They have just gotten city Council of approval and they've just picked a developer to build a state of the art entertainment district on the sports arena property in San Diego, and that will include the sixteen thousand state of the art

arena in addition to entertainment venues, restaurants, office building, some housing, etcetera. Now, I don't in all honesty, we needed a new arena and I had chirped and written about it when I was doing talk radio and writing on my website. You gotta be progressive, You've gotta build a new sports arena as part of this Midway district. Well, the mayor said, yes, it has to be part of the package, and they

finally got it done. In fact, the people who built Staples Center, l A Live, the London Arena in England, the Kansas City Arena, the one in Berlin. This is a e G subsidiary. They are going to build this

arena in San Diego now as part of the entertainment district. Now, whether not it it leads us to an NBA franchise or an NHL franchise, that might be a bit of a reach, but you know what, sports changes, and as markets explode and grow, you know this, this is the eighth biggest city in America right now, so this thing will continue to grow. Because of who we are and where we are and by the way, what's the weather outside. So so then I think down road anything is possible.

You could get franchises that want to relocate out of where they are, and if you've got a shiny new arena here, then that becomes a landing spot maybe for an NBA or even an NHL team, because this is

a melting pot of people. The saddest part of this whole thing is we have such a great city with football tradition that the Spanels family turned its back on, and we don't have a football stadium, and we don't have the real estate now at the clocom site where we could have built a stadium, or somebody from the outside who want to move a franchise here could have built a stadium. That real estate has gone. That's the

only negative that we've lost that entity. But we're going to have a basketball, hockey and nan who knows what that's going to go once they get it up. It's not going to happen in fifteen minutes, but it's you know, it's going to happen. Yeah. Awesomely, thank you for your time. I appreciate what have you on again and have a great day today. Good Ben, my pleasure. Always glad to talk to you. Keep up the good work on the network.

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