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is here. We are eating the air everywhere coast to coast, border to border and beyond the power of podcasting eight days a week now because four hours or not enough on the overnight. And this is a special, not interview, but we like having people we we somewhat know or fans of on the podcast. And so I am joined yet again by David gascon West of the four oh five. He's right over there and he's with this again as he is most weekends. Almost every weekend. I don't think

you've missed a show, so that would be every weekend. Yeah. I'd like to to give a special shout out to UH to myself. Uh, it's my anniversary, right, it's Uh. I didn't know you were married. Yeah, no idea. I wasn't invited to the wedding. You know what, Uh, you were on the record this time last year when you said that David Gascon will be the Andrew Luck of this podcast. I will abruptly just quit and leave in the middle of the year. And I have now made

it one year graduation podcast. Give me another fucking round of applause. Wow, what a deuce. Tend you the deuces right there? Let me do you know what. I'm gonna give you a golden ticket. Congratulations, you get it all the ticket, And I'm gonna give you a lifetime supply of nothing, which I think this podcast is providing you. So you gotta lifetime supply of nothing and a trip to nowhere round trip to nowhere, and that is void is long. It's only eligible until Nowhere, Oklahoma opens up

an airport, and then it's no longer, no longer available. Well, I'm happy to report though, that when I go on this trip to nowhere, I'm gonna bring three suits with me. My my regular three piece suit, my hazmat suit, and now because of California. I will also bring my fire suits. Yes, yes, you know, as a little kid, I wanted to be Like every little kid, you want to be a police officer, and then you want to be a fireman and vice versa and when you're a little kid, and so I

want to be a fireman at one point. And now like I'm surrounded by fire. I am surrounded. It is raining ash from the heavens. The sky is orange. It looks like we've moved to Mars. It is it is wild. Is crazy living in California these days, and the you can't go anywhere, everything's burning. It's you pay outrageous taxes. It's really paradise, it really is. It's just the greatest place on earth, California. We get buildings on fire because of protests, peaceful protests. We have city is on fire

because of gender reveals. Um, like, what else could go wrong in this fucking aar Uh. We don't ask gascon don't ask, because we can get that that that could that could come here soon. Uh yeah, all those your pills, Yeah, you got your pills. There you go, you're you're ready to go. Wow. All right, So before we get to the man of the hour here that's in the center square. We're excited about this. I am really fired up because one of my my, my favorite people in radio and

a former colleague of mine. I'm so happy that I know him as a friend. Uh And so we'll have Tony Bruno on in a minute. But Cameo dot com, gascon Cameo dot com, you want a personal shout out. Let me tell you something. One of the coolest things happened to me in the last week. And I've not talked about this at all. I didn't mention it on the radio show and all that. Uh. So on Cameo, I got a very special cameo request. It's about ten days ago or so now, and I didn't bring it up. Uh.

And it was from from Jason and Morgan. And Morgan Jason is a big fan of show, and Morgan's like, you know, she puts up with it. Uh And then Jason, I guess they have a They have a baby coming, a miracle baby, a girl. And I got to give Jason the news via cameo. How cool is this? That was? That's like a great honor, that's a tremendous honor to have that that that that Morgan would would pick me and it was really cool. I I really didn't want

to funk that one up because that's a big one. Um, when you find out you're gonna have a dot and I'll be a girl dad and all that is so cool. So I was really that was that was like the neatest thing that I've been able to do with Cameo was really neat. Now you should temper your excitement because now that you've done that, you're probably gonna get someone from the Mallard Militia that's ready to have a baby and they'll probably call you while giving birth. Yeah, well

there you go. Well that see that I can only do on the radio. You can do that. I have had guys over the years that have called up and uh, you know and announced while smoking the cigar that they their child has arrived, which is which is neat. And it's this guy in Phoenix that's been listening a long time and I remember when he called that I was gonna show with Jason Smith on the weekends in the early days of Fox Sports Radio, and he had his first child was born and the kids now, like you know,

nineteen or eighteen or nineteen years old. I'm like, holy crap, kids out of high school and I'm like, wow, that is that? Yeah, but cameo dot com Ben Mally, you want to personalized video shout out? I would love to do it and it'd be great. We also have as well, guessing before we bring Tony in here. Uh, the Benny Versus the Penny has moved over to YouTube and yeah, we will put that on Facebook. It should be on there. If it's not, we'll make sure it's on there. And

and Twitter, and there's two ways. This is a test guest count right because it it makes me so. So the deal with this is a lot of you guys have been saying I want to watch some video, and I put out these little video vignettes for the radio show. But this is something different. This is a live video like a television broadcast on the internet. To what you two is and uh and so Benny versus the Penny, we're gonna test this out. We we had it on the radio for years. I did it on the radio

for years. Last year we did it on the podcast and we did very good numbers on the podcast. A lot of people loved Benny Versus the Penny, So we want to see how it'll do on the video format, and we'll it's a test, and you guys have been a lot of you have been saying you wanted to see some video stuff, So we're gonna test it out. Obviously, today's the maiden voyage here on nine eleven of this for week one, the Sunday Monday card in the NFL. But I'm excited. I want to see how this goes.

And I gotta I got some new equipment in here to to make it look good. So we'll see what works. Yeah, and don't forget last season to the first three weeks you actually you would scorched earth no pun intendant, but yeah, you went eleven and five I think the first two, two or three weeks. Yeah, I did very well. This is the hardest year, though, to handicap the NFL with no real read on any just have the depth chart. You have no field exhibition and no home field advantage

at all. That's right, you can take you throw that out. So this is gonna be the hardest year ever. Hopefully I will not drown. But could you imagine we finally do the video thing and then I I go like one one win for the weekend and something that's my nightmare. But we will see what happens. But enough about that. Yeah, it's not about us. Yeah, it's not about us, guestcan It is about the man of the hour, A legend,

one of the forefathers of modern sports radio. If you're a fan of sports talk radio, whether it's Fox Sports Radio where I do, where I do my business, or any of these networks, Tony Bruno is an o G. This guy started ESPN Radio when that network launched, and then started Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports Radio took off. Now, we had Tony on a couple of weeks ago, and that was not it was a month ago, it was a while, it was it was not that long ago.

We had Tony on and he had launched he was about to launch his serious XM radio show and it was Tony Bruno Show with Harry May's a couple of Philadelphia guys and they'd worked together in the past local radio in Philadelphia and they do a good show together. And so, uh, Tony was excited about that. We were excited for Tony. He's a friend, uh and we're very happy for him. Well, Uh, Tony had his show pulled from from satellite radio and also something called sports Map Radio,

where his show was on. He had made some comments about Lebron James that were then reported in a hatchet job by dead Spin takedown peace on on Tony Bruno, and that that ended everything. Uh, Tony has been in the business my entire life, ton He's been. I grew up listening to Tony on the radio, and I was a huge fan when I first heard Tony, and you know, with miss Robbin has been with him for a long time now, uh and all that. So I really wanted

to get Tony on it. And many of you have reached out and said, hey, give me the inside, Skinny. I gotta get Tony on. We gotta find out what's going on here with Tony. I want to I'm upset. You know you love Tony as well, and I love Tony and I I like listening to So uh, let's bring in now from the main streets of Philadelphia, one

of the legends of talk radio. Tony Bruno joins us here on the fifth hour, So Tony kind of For those that are I gave a brief synopsis, but for those that are not up to speed, I I just gave a little bit kind of walk us through exactly how this all went down. Well, I was goofing off on the air like I always do, and people have listened to me for fifty years on the radio th

that I approached sports with fun. I deal with things that are important when they are like nine eleven, which were celebrating the adversary I've I was on the air when the worst thing in our lifetime happened, and I know how to transition from serious stuff to fun stuff.

And that's what I've always done. And you know this, Ben, because we go way back, and so always gorooping off talking about the NBA and talking about Lebron James and the one picture of him where he's reading the Malcolm X book and then there was a collage of four pictures of Lebron reading four different books and they were

all open to the first page. So I was gorooping off about you know, Lebron James is lecturing everybody on why we should worry about this and that, but he ignores China and the whole weaker Muslims who are making shoes for him. And I don't like to get into politics, but I was just talking about the hypocrisy of athletes that you can't criticize, and Lebard is one of those guys. He's a great player. I never criticized his game or whether he should win a championship. That's what he us.

He's a basketball player, and he has every single right then every single right to give opinions. But guess what, so do I, as an American, have a right to give an opinion just because he has a lot of high powered henchmen out there who make sure that anybody

who criticized and must be brought to justice. He got a couple of his hacks at dead Spin, which I didn't even know was still around, to do a hit piece on me because I was groofing off about Lebron James and then reading books, and then I jokingly said which was which in hindsight, was dumb. What people know that I was. I would never said the NBA players can't lead, and that's the quote that was attributed to me in quotation marks NBA players can't read. I would

never say something like that. I was talking about Lebron James and pretending that he was a learned scholar because he has pictures taken out of me got the media taking pictures of him reading books, which all are on the first page. And I don't know about you, Ben, but then when I sat down and I'm reading a book, I tend to get by pass to first page. But I don't care. If he doesn't want to do it, that's fine. But this whole they gotta put Lebron on the pedestal stuff. I was never a part of that.

I don't rip the guy personally. I don't care what he does with his life. I'm not a Laker fan or a Laker hater. I was there in La were all wacobean shack Era, So anyway, that became a we gotta get Tony Bruno. When I said it on my show two mondays ago, I didn't even realize it. The people in the studio didn't realize it. The people listening on Serious XM and sports map Radio, nobody called, nobody on Twitch where there's live audience interaction, said oh my god,

did you hear what Tony said? Two days later, all of a sudden, dead spin out of nowhere puts out the hit piece on me. And that's what happens when you put out a hit piece and people don't know you. The people that don't know you are the first to jump on board. And then the book. Disappointing thing to me Ben was people in the media. There are people in the media. When Serious and and sports Map Radio, he immediately took me off the air and said that

they weren't gonna put me back on. And so I was surprised because I thought Serious would have my back and look into it, or sports Map would have my back and look into it before making a decision. But they made a new jerk decision. And that's the that's their call. I'm not saying that they didn't they they don't have a right to do what they want. And you know, it's a toxic world. Somebody thinks that, you know, advertisers. I lost Draft Kings and all of my sponsorships. I'm

not crying as a victim here. I just think that we live in the world where only certain people can get away with stuff. And the whole white privilege thing, I guess that. I guess my white privileged card must have been burned in one of the riots out there. So tell me that that's that's amazing. So you did this show, you said what you said nobody listening, nobody complained, and then days later this guy, some bozo a dead

Spin writes a story and then that's that's all it took. No, you'd think it would work the other way, right, if people were you were complaining right away, you got no negative feedback at all. Right, No, I wasn't even aware that there was a controverscial statement. Now you go back in the of course the deaths been guy post the whole thing without context. And again what I said was not smart, but it's not It's hardly a condemnation of

being called a racist. And that's the one word then that everybody knows if you throw the racist word out there, especially against the white guy who has no history of racism other than a stupid tweet that I never even said on the air, but it's been attributed to me as something that I said when I never did. When you do spoken word, as you know, for a decade after decade, you know, I know what I am, and

everybody who knows me knows who I am. But being called a racist is one thing that you can never ever disprove or prove. So the illness is on me and the people who don't know and read these stories and come after me. And as imagine, there's some prominent media people in sports who are dancing on my grave. That's the thing. I can get idiots on Twitter and Facebook and all these people who don't know and that's all they do. They go on there because it's a

tess pool. And I don't care about being criticized that people disagreeing with me. But when you got media people who are out there like happy and media people by the way, and I'm not gonna name them, who have had their own issues and keep getting jobs and then jump on my grade when I have a dow job cantle from me, that's the ultimate and hypocrisy in this industry. No, I agree to listen. I love you, man, and I and I've known you for years and everyone that's worked

with you, and I've talked to people. We've talked about this, you know, because it's obviously been a big story in the radio business and everyone's like Tony is the greatest kind of the world. This is such it's so ridiculous, as you know better than me, Tony. You do a three or four hour show a day, and you know you're just you're just rifting you know, every once in a while you're gonna say something maybe you shouldn't say

or whatever. But the Lebron thing, the thing that puzzles me, Tony, is this, Like I believe Lebron was asked about the book, right, wasn't he? And he he said he hadn't read it yet. Right,

it wasn't that thing? And then and then I remember a couple of years ago in the playoffs with Cleveland, Lebron had said that he he watched like The Godfather movies to get ready for the playoffs, remember the Playoffs series, And then when a reporter asked him his favorite scene in The Godfather, he he couldn't remember one like this. So it's not it's that it's not outrageous stuff but yet but yet, you know, you say it and it's like we're off to the races. It's just it's just crazy.

And as far as the media people, Tony, I agree that it's it's the grave Dancing's that mob mentality, and these guys are in the media. You'd think you'd advocate for other media people and support other media people. It's absurd, but at least you now know who the who the phonies are Tony. That's a good thing, right, Yeah, I'm not even when people get fired in any business, whether it's at the restaurant, who business down, you know, But

I'm really not because of what happened to me. But you know, we went through a year now where obviously we've never gone for anything like this before, you know. And I went back on the air when the pandemic started, when there was no sports to talk about, and that's why Sirius hired me and said, hey, if there's anybody who can put on the air to talk about sports when there's no sports to talk about, you know, you're

the guy. So Steve Colin, I don't have any problems with with with the people that serious Jeff, you know, the guys Steve Calling and all the people at the Sailors have been great to me. So I'm not a guy. I don't tell people I go out there and canceled, cancel your eyes. I don't do that. I don't tell people. People make their own decisions. I don't say, hey, look what they've done to me. I'm not bad mouthing the companies.

Companies do what they have to do. They have to protect their you know, they have to protect the NBA. They have to protect Lebron James, and I get it, that's the way the corporate world works. But the instantaneous, knee jerk decision to destroy someone's career, Uh, that's a lot that's disappointing because I don't want to end on well Tony Bruno went out and about time you got fired. That guy's out racist. You know, that's the kind of

stuff that disappoints me more than anything else. Then, and Tony, how fast you said right away that once the story on Deadspin went you were off the air, Like was there any negotiation or like, how does that work? Like did they call you, did they send an email? Or they just they just pulled the plug? How exactly did that all go down? So it happened, I guess on a Monday show, and then Wednesday the dead Spin thing

appears out of nowhere. I had no idea, and then people I start sawing my Twitter feed and people are like, oh my god, Tony Burrow the braces fire him. And so obviously, when when you get the whole uproar of people reading dead Spin and people in the media obviously see it first, and then people on Twitter read dead Spin and Deadspin kept retweeting the story like every three hours to make sure that everybody saw it. And that's why. I that's their business. You know, they're trying to get clicks.

But if you read it, you'll see the guy who wrote it. The first words out of it, Well, the first thing is a court tweet that I said NBA players can't read, and he quits that in quotations, which is obviously fraud. And then he starts off as column with a few in the entire words, not just f you. The first two words are few Tony Bruno, and then he goes in and does a hacky job. I don't even know the guy, and I don't care about the guy, but the bottom line is that just shows you right there.

But this is this with a concerted effort to bury someone. So that was on Wednesday, and so I see the story in our ripped bed Spin on the air. The next day, Thursday, I come there, I come down into my basement. I got a studio here to get ready for the Thursday show. I get a call saying that we're not gonna do a show today. We're taking you off the air. We're not covered. I didn't even know.

We'd actually started doing the show on Twitch, and then people were calling and saying, hey, you're not on Serious today. You're not on Serious, and I didn't even realize that. So I did my show as normal on Twitch and then found out after the show that they wanted to talk to me on Friday. Now be setting this up.

I had planned a vacation back in June on the Saturday, UH to go to Florida for a week with MS Robin, so obviously, so then on Friday morning, we get a call and saying, hey, you know what, from from Serious, We're not going to carry the show anymore. We're not gonna say anything about it. Sports map UH didn't say anything about it. So I went on vacation. No one knew it because the following Monday, when I wasn't supposed to be on the air anyway, because I was on vacation,

my show wasn't on, and nobody said anything. So I was away on vacation and speculations saw you go, oh Breuer gon fire and he took off and now he's not coming back. My vacation was planned, so it's not one of those They fired me on a Friday that I wasn't back on Monday kind of deal. So anyway, the bottom line is, I'm not them, not crying the victim. I'm not angry. I don't have any bad things to say about Debt's well, DEA's been his garbage. I mean,

that's that's what our question. In fact, I didn't even know they came back into business. But if you read that's good. It's just a bunch of a bunch at strapper writers, bitter broken guys trying to make a name for themselves, going after people and trying to destroy careers. If that's what their job is and they're happy doing that, God bless him. But I'm not gonna let them determine and just determine what my career is and when my life has been all about fifty years in this business

until you speaking of that? So now, what are you doing after this all went down and you go from serious exam and twitch to to what now? The nothing? Right now? You know? Da, I'm not, I'm just you know, like I'm I told you, I stared on I'm not soured on sports because I'm I was was fired from two jobs. I just think that the way sports has conducted itself this year and again they can do whatever they want. I don't care if they want to protest. I don't care if they want to kneel. It's not

about that stuff they want to Neil, Neil. I just think that the way the sports had now become. Go back to nine eleven and you guys were around, andrews Ceciliano and I were doing the morning show with Fox Sports Radio, and you know, we were goofing off and then we got serious because the world was coming going crazy. So I don't how to deal with tragedy. I know how to deal with things that are important, to get

serious when it's time. But now we was here about fast for in almost twenty years, nineteen years exactly later, and all of a sudden, sports which was the break divide, which was the great thing that brought us back. Remember nine eleven happens. People are all in sports shows and we wanted to find out what was going on. Is it's still safe to fly? Is it's still safe to do this? And then what was the one thing people

were waiting to come back? Sports? We wanted sports to come back so we can escape the world of politics and wars and all this other stuff. Now you're fast forward because the political world has gone crazy and everybody's gonna take a side now all of a sudden, sports is dividing us. Sports is not the place we go to to feel good about ourselves. The only people watching sports that are gambling degenerous. And that's fine, and you're

rooting for your teams, that's all good. But the bottom line is sports was a way to get away from the noise. Comedy shows were a way to get away from the real world. Now you put on a comedy show and you put on sports and you can't get away from this stuff. That's the thing to me that's the most disappointing, and it's sort of soured me. I don't hate sports, I just don't. I don't feel as excited as I did. And this is way prior to

this incident. It's just that I think sports and everybody is so obsessed with politics, and you know, we've got to root for well Off, We've got a room for Biden that they're getting away from the purpose of what they're doing. They're playing games to entertain us, and when people aren't entertained, and you see the ratings that I don't tell people not to watch. I don't tell people don't watch sports, don't support the NFL, hate Lebron. I

just give my own opinions. And the problem now, as you guys know, when you give your own opinion, you can't give an opinion if the majority of people don't agree with it. That's the amazing part of the so called free speech era, when we should have more free speech than ever, and now we have less free speech than ever. So what do you think happens after November the third? I have no idea. I mean, I don't know.

I don't know if there's gonna be riots. I don't know if Trump wins are gonna be riots, if Biden wins, things calmed down. I have no idea. I just know that I can't wait till listen so hard, and if our politics a long time, I'm there to do five presidents. So and I used to do local reporting on covered elections, so I was a political science major. That doesn't make

me a political expert. I would consider myself a little more political savvy than a lot of people who yell at me on Twitter because they don't agree with my political views. I mean, even now people say, you know, I don't agree with you politically, Tony, but I think they did. I don't care if you agree with the politically. I'm not a political guy. I don't make a dime from politics. I don't represent any political party. You've never been a Republican and I've been a Democrat, but I

don't care about either party. So it's if everybody has to pigeon tell you into being you're a guy, and you're a Trumpster, Oh my god, you're a right wing How can you be on the radio that kind of idiotic mindset that's out there where it doesn't matter anymore what you think, and and they you may just won't be in the k k K. The way people treat

somebody that they disagree with anymore, it's absolutely absurd. Well and Tony to spin off that, and and obviously everyone is doing sports radio as you happen about what's gonna happen with sports? You know, when when with the ratings and all that, what is your gut? You've been around a long time, you're like, what's the end game on? This is my theory to and I want to run

this bace. So my theory is that the real litmus tests is gonna be when fans are allowed back in the stadiums, because I have a feeling that the players kneeling and all the activism fans in in the stadium are not gonna be receptive for this. In certain cities, it's gonna be there's gonna be blowback, And to me, that's the ultimate test on how long this continues, because it's one thing to kneel if you're in an empty

arena and no one's booing you. But it's gonna be different once you have the stadiums opened up again after the pandemic and people are there and can react to it. And and we saw with the Kaepernick thing in twos sixteen that there were booze reigning down for NFL players. What do you do you think that's gonna happen? Number one? And number two, how will the sports world react to it? Well? I think the sports world. I mean, people will come back once once the pandemics run, hopefully at will once

they start. But they're gonna put people in the stands in some of these games. And it seems like everybody's doing the same thing. The first couple of home games in the NFL and particular you know, they're they're not gonna allow fans in most cities, and then they're gonna start bringing fans in and that's you know, It's like everything else will eventually get back to normal. I don't know what the new normal is, because we did on nine eleven. Everything changed to the way we get on airplanes,

the way we travel, where we go. So the world is always changing. So I don't have a problem with change. I don't know what's gonna happen. Do I think people will still be upset if if guys neil, Yeah, the people who are upset with that, do I care whether they kneel or not know. I have a flag of my dad sitting right in front of me that was handed to me when he was buried as a military veteran who served in World War Two and jumped out

of airplanes. So I don't want any lectures from NBA players or hockey players, or football players or baseball players on about what it means to be an American and what the flag means to me. But I don't put that out there and tell everybody you don't have a right to your opinion. You can disagree, you can hate the flag, you can hate the country. I just love

the country. My mom's an immigrant. She's still alive. God bless her at she knows what she's been through more than any book you can ever imagine when you think about things going through time and all the changes in the world. So do I fans will go back. Absolutely, don't think fans will still watch sports. Absolutely, as long as they're gambling, as long as they're fans who whose teams are doing well, because it still will be an escape. We'll get through all this nonsense and then people will

get back to normal. Hopefully, that's what I want. I don't want sports to go out of business. I don't want the NBA to fold. I just know that there are a lot of people suffering out there, and the people were suffering are not the athletes who are still signing gazillion dollar contracts every day and complaining about what their hotel accommodations are in Orlando. Those are the people that don't get it when you're complaining about your room

in Orlando. When people have no businesses, that have lost their rightlihood and are depressed and are killing themselves and taking drugs to try to get through life, nobody wants to hear athletes complaining about hotel A combinations. That's just normal common sense that has nothing to do with politics and has to do with human nature. I don't, I don't.

I don't realize people suffering. I don't. You know they're joking around about the cowboys losing, and you say, yeah, the cowboys, Well, that's not the kind of victory all we're seeing. We're seeing. Yeah, your business went out, and you're a bad guy. I hope you brought up business. I'm gonna come down there and beat you up. I'm gonna burn down your business because I'm mad at something. That's the kind of lunacy I never thought we'd see

in this country. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Tone, I agree with you, and and and the other you were it was speaking over Orlando. You were there? What was it like traveling during the I guess it's still the pandemic, right, it's still going on. Yeah, it was great. I mean the plane was empty and everybody, what are you doing? You crazy? You're going to a Lando, Florida. Do you realize you're gonna die? How are you gonna get on an airplane? You know? I got on an

airplane safe. I had a mask, I had everything. I had an aseptic, I had everything else that I needed. I got on a plane, the plane was half empty. We landed, I got into a rental car, was all sanitized. I went to Disney, got into a hotel. It was all plane. Everything's marked off six ft apart all the and you know, Disney is gonna do it right. They're not gonna put people in danger. So it was absolutely great. And it was the aerie, but there was nobody there.

I'm walking down Main Street, USA and those a Disney World, not in disney Land, which I love too when I lived in l A. But I thought it was one of those rare instances we get to go to a place and and actually go on the line, do not have to stand in line for two hours. So while it was weird, it was also one of those wild I'll never be able to do this again. Go to a vacation and you know, people, what do you go to the I love Disney. I love going to Disney.

Plus I love getting away from stuff and love seeing people happy in families. I don't I don't. I don't get my joys watching people suffer. So it was really interesting and it was a great week. The weather was hot, went to Universal and did the kind of things that I like to do as a sixty year old kid at heart, and so I thought it was very safe.

I thought, I feel good. I know nothing happened. I know everything was clean, everything was sanitized, and they would give you a little squirt in your hands when you're getting on a ride. When you got off, you got another square to sanitizer. You had to wear a mask. So you do the right things and you live your life. And the people who were freed are the ones who were making the world words of me, like, you can be afraid, you can be afraid. You don't have to travel.

Nobody's telling you to do you know, I know in California they're talking about that. They talked about there's not gonna be any trick or treating in l A. And then all of a sudden I saw earlier, Oh, now they reversed it. We're not gonna tell people they can't trick or treat, but if they want to, we don't recommend it. So at words, politicians are forcing people to do what they think they should do, and people that don't want that, well, we don't really, because you know

these people selling costumes, there's store selling candies. You know this is a kids thing and the adults like it too. So when we get into a world where politicians tell us one that you characters, people are go crazy. What is it we tell you that the dovers wanted to tell us what to do? You want to think we know what's says. Some people are irresponsible for the majority aren't. So the majority should be the ones who tell these idiots who run cities and states stop concerning our lives.

Let us be safe, let us be that's becally was possible with one another. I think it's I think people can do things safely, and I think our country is being wrecked by just a power hungry people who are just trying to tell everybody to stay home, not watch sports, not going to games. These conferences like the Big Tent, who had to be ashamed, had to be shamed into doing the right thing when they realized that they were

a bunch of idiots. And you guys know the Pact well have been bought bunch of idiots all long before the Big Ted was Tony, are you getting much or do you see much engagement at least in your local community. I mean, it's one thing for the sports teams to

take their initiatives and whatnot. We're talking about, you know, their social injustice causes or what's going on with COVID, But do you have people that are actually engaged in your local area talking about, hey, we need to push back a little bit against our local government to make sure that we do get our businesses back up and running. When you get people out and open and engaged again, or is it are people just know? I think they I think they are there. I obviously that you know.

Mind if I live in that neighborhood with there's a lot of restaurants and stuff, and a a lot of them are going out of business that won't come back. They want to reopen safely, and some of them have and when the city tells them here in Philly, the city tells him you can't have outdoor dining. You know, those people now what we're trying to do outdoor dining in

the summer. And then they finally took it upon themselves and said, we're gonna take spots in the street and we're gonna open up outside and everybody's gonna wear a mask and then the city backed down. Now the city is saying, you know you can't. We're not gonna open up restaurants until the end of September now for indoor dining. Yet there are other cities the mayor went to Merryland

to go to a restaurant. Any crowd cakes the mayor of our city here and think somebody took a picture of him, and now all of a sudden he's yelling at them, just like Nancy Pelosi did yell at the the stylist where she went in and got her hair done, when everybody is supposed to be wearing masks of the hypocrisy of politicians is a joke. And we have a governor and a and a mayor here in Philly who basically are telling people what they can and can't do.

And most people are reasonable. But when you start destroying people's lives and livelihoods and you pay no consequences as a result, they get angry. But the problem in Philly is people worried about getting shot a night. I mean, it's the big cities. There's mostly protest uh for whatever else they think it is. But nobody's out there saying we want our jobs back, or we want to open

our businesses, those protests are out allowed. But if you want to go out there and loot and burn stuff up because you're mad, Uh, you can do that a party that doesn't spread any COVID or any of that stuff in this town. And it's like that's in a lot of cities, it's not just here. Yeah, So I wanna go back to your your situation. So legally, I don't know how much you can say and how much you can't say. Uh, are you pursuing that Avenue Tony as far as you know, trying to get something, uh

something back? I don't know what. I don't know how to describe it. But is there a legal action pending regarding your situation? Well, not against I mean, I I'm not gonna I'm not a lawsuit crazy guy, but I've got deep I've had lawyers contact me and say, you know, what dead Spin did was not just journalism. It wasn't just pointing out an injustice. I mean when they call you a racist and they have the whole world coming out.

So I think that there's any litigation to pursue, it would definitely be against dead Spin, But I have lawyers looking at it as far as Serious and you know Serious in sports Map Radio, which used to be sp Nation, you know, they did what they had to do. I mean, it's about you can't you gotta do a knee jerk thing, you know, because you're worried about you know, Serious has a lot of different programming and they've got the NBA, so they got to protect the n b A. I

understand that. So I'm not mad at Serious. I'm not mad at Sports Map. That's the world we live in right now. But you know, I know again I'm not doing one about it. And but I know there's a lot of people who are on the air. We've had multiple chances that have done far more heinous things than I've ever done, and so I just worked there. It's only justice for all, you know, everybody's called about everybody's gonna be equal. I want to quality. Well, there isn't

justice for all. And again I accept the consequences of my actions and I lost my job. But as far as people being accountable for the kind of hit jobs and the kind of things that the dead spins of the world do, I don't think they should get away

with it. And we'll see what happens, Tony. We're gonna wrap this up, but I gotta tell you, I mean, I we have a lot of a lot of my guys listen to you, and they loved your show on seriously've listened to you over the years, and they've been reaching out to me and they'd be like, Hey, you gotta get Tony on. I'm so glad you did this Number one, number two. I hope that you can come back at some point, you take a break and recharge

and do something down the line. Do you think there's a chance that you will come back, maybe in a couple of months or in a year from now, that you'll do something in the radio or podcasting world. I have no idea. I had a tres still have a twist chattle, but I haven't going on the air because I didn't want to go back on this week and just go on the air and start crazy, going crazy and having people call me and and you know, and have a pity party. I don't want to do that.

I don't want to bash serious or bashed sports map radio. That's not what I want to do. You know, I'm not a guy who's I appreciate every opportunity I've ever had, so I figured it was better not to not to do a show and have people call in and you know, and just rip everybody. And you know, it's not my style of criticized bat it's top sports. You know, we talked about sports and stuff. We always do that because that's fun. That's the fun part of what we do.

But the Malla Miller, you know, you've got a couple of guys in there to come after me every once in a while. Well, I think for the most part they're good people. But I don't know. You've got a couple of them, Ben that don't seem to like my my style, and uh, you know that's the way it is. They're allowed they're not like me. Well, I don't know who those people are. I love you, Tony, and uh, you you're the You're the o G, the patriarch. You started ESB at radio Fox Sports Radio. That is an

unbelievable resume. Man. Listen, good luck, Tony. I hope you if you if you decide to sue, I hope you'll win. And you should write a book. Also, you should do that. But get back on the podcast, get on that Twitch channel, Tony. The people want to hear you. Get back and talk. Do your thing, man. I don't care right now. Let's just start watching sports. Let's get the NFL season going, Let's get some college games going. Let's try to find something that we can, you know, come together about it

sports and have fun and laugh and enjoy life. You got to enjoy life, man. If you can't enjoy it, you know, then that's sitting around being miserable every day. That doesn't make you feel good, you want. I always try to find things that make me happy and laugh. I don't look for negatives stuff. Negative stuff finds me. That's the problem. All right, Thank you Tony, say Adam, miss Robin for me to take care alright, Ben, love you man, Dave, thank you so much. Guys, thank for

having my back. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific