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you're available on the I Heart podcast network. This is a interview podcast, so we're not gonna have a lot of b s. But I am joined by for better or worse, David Gascon, who is over there loud and proud, and I'm happy that you mentioned the interview session of this podcast, because Lo and Behold in the month of June. The highest and most downloaded podcasts so far this month is the one I did with Ashley Evan Smith from

the UFC. Just I did not download that podcast, so I did not need your support that highest downloaded podcast in June June. Just it's early in June. We are you talking about you? We're not even midway through the month of June. And it's a great start. It's like a great start, secretary at just getting out of the gates quickly and then pulling away down the stretch. Well, to be fair to the to the woman, the UFC person that you interviewed, there, I you you're more like,

there's only a few. I'm not a big UFC person. You are. I'm not, so I don't know a lot of the people. I know the big names. I watched the Connor McGregor and that level. Uh, but I didn't really know who this person was. So you did it. And if you want to interview more UFC people that I've never heard of, you are more than welcome to do that. You can hijack the fifth hour and get all Schnacker and talk to your favorite UFC people and uh,

and just knock yourself though. It's not like we're talking strictly m m A or boxing or anything like that. It's like what we do you and I or any guests we have on Letty Dike Drill was a great example. We went off the beaten path with them. It wasn't all baseball chatter. It's the same thing with these fighters, like they got need to defend it. You're very defensive. No need to defend you just want to make sure I clarify it because the mob that is the Mallard

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the place guestcon. People can find you or Twitter at David J. Gascon, Instagram at Dave Gascon, but not on not on Facebook, and not on cameo. Yeah, not not on those things. A question for you because you did cameo. So so buy a chance of someone requests a message from you, like let's say they were quest the message from you on on Friday. Do you do you wait three or four days and then tape record it to be played like the next Friday. No, dummy, I'm just

I don't. I'm just double checking. You know. Some people like to record things for days and I hear you. I know where you're going with that. Uh no, I do it live. We'll do it live. But but no, yeah, I usually I try to get back within a few hours. I mean, unless there's too many of them, and then it takes maybe a day or something like that. But there's I've never had that problem really, so I'm just

gaming that I would have that problem. But then maybe when I put it out there it'll I guess maybe when I go on furlough when we have to take time off because because of the pandemic, maybe then people will I'll just I'll do nothing but cameos that entire week. If if that we eventually get to that. I know Eddie is gonna be out next week on on the furlough, and I have not decided I might just keep working for free, but I probably will take some time off

here some point. You should work for free. I mean, Lord knows I need someone to be on my side, you know. I mean, well, if you've seen my early checks in radio, I often have worked for free in the broadcasting business. But anyway, what was your starting rate when you first started in radio? Oh my god, I got paid on a per game basis when I worked at the mighty six ninety and it was it was not much. It was like, I think it was like forty or fifty bucks a game, which seems like a lot.

But to cover a baseball game, you get out there at like two o'clock and you leave at midnight. So the per hour for fifty dollars of work and you're there ten hours, that's generally not a good payout, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I see. When I first started in radio at I Heart San Diego was ten dollars an hour part time and you were capped at twenty nine hours. But then when I became the game day host of the Chargers, you had to work the morning show that led in the pregame show, then you

cover the game and then the post game twelve. It was a nightmare. It was. It was audio salt mines what it was. But you build up some thick skin, I guess you build up some thick skins. So anyway, speaking of thick skin, uh, somebody that has the thickest skin around that I know A beloved figure in local Boston radio dominated the airwaves, and and that matters. Like Boston, one of the things I love about Boston is that the sports radio format is the most important format of radio.

It's not music, it's not talk radio or anything else. Eat is sports talk. And over the last twenty plus years, traditionally the sports talk station W e I, where I briefly worked did some filing stuff for you at night. Was the number one station in Boston, and the Sports Hub came along, and then it went back and forth between the Sports Hub and EI, who was the number one station, But for much of that time Jerry Callaghan had the morning show, the Dennis and Callahan Show, then

the Kirk and Callaghan Show, and they killed it. They were number one morning drive, which if you work in radio, man, is that really huge? And Jerry said, I've known Jerry for several years and going back probably over a decade now when I first met him, and Jerry uh was a writer at the Boston Herald. He was a very successful writer at Sports Illustrated before he got into talk radio at w e I. And it all went away about a year ago. And the reason it went away,

Jerry was ahead of his time. Here. It is the story that those of us that work in radio behind the scenes talk about the nightmare scenario. Jerry Callaghan, number one radio guy in Boston, dominated station, made a ton of money, everyone loved the show, big audience, canceled because of a protester. But it's a little different than what's going on right now right now there's cyber mobs running around canceling people, which some some like, I don't uh.

And Jerry Callahan again, all that success, all the resume, the domination, and one person ruined all of that, took all of that off the board because they didn't like what Jerry had said on a radio show. So let's welcome in here. He's got his podcast now, the Callahan Podcast, Radio Legend. Jerry Callahan and Jerry, why don't we start with that? Can you walk me through what happened in that nightmare scenario about a year ago? Do you really want to hear it? Step by step? Then? Um, going

through a pic. I have to tell you, brother, because it was my life. But it was strange. It was a few years ago now, I guess four years ago now. We did a segment on a five year old kid who was transition a transgender five year ottle kids and you know, naturally we said, that's pretty weird. That's a uh that that is crazy. Literally we said, said the parents, you know, we're bad parents for doing it. There was there was a story in the Boston Globe and they

were obviously, uh, you know, glorifying it. And I'm wonderful it is, and we said it's nut. And some transgender activist a guy whose kid was tender and older older kid. Kid was like in his twenties, but the father was a very active room guy in and he just went nuts, just started emailing our advertisers, I mean all of them, national ads, local ads. He would email all of them every day. I mean, I'm not kidding, said thirty thirty five emails every day calling us everything homophole book and

they getting everything else. And he would take our show every day and they pick it apart and they take out little segments and take it anything that bothered him. And he didn't make a new email. And he wouldn't believe if I showed it to you things that just bizarre, saying that that's racist or sexist. If we said anything about like my problem, I said, chicks, you know, instead of girls as a chicks, And he let an email saying he wanted to be a supported he's kind of thicker,

and it just it was nothing. At first we laughed about it, but he just bore down some national advertisers. Local people are good, but nationally they don't want to get involved in anything, so they would you know, say we're we're going, we'll we'll you go somewhere else. So we lost national accounts. We met with the guy. He he was just duplicit as he was, you know, he was insane. He was like obsessed with us. And he would say, you know we we volunteered to go to

sensivity training. We had to meet go through transgender sensitivity training. We did everything, we did a p s A, We did anything he asked, and he just up coming. He would not let up. One day, you know, they'd say the left, even though the radings were great. And they finally said they get rid of Kirk, my partner, kirkman Ahan, and he didn't go away. And then four or five months later they called me in the said Witler choice, we've lost eight million bucks. You know, he just won't

leave us alone. And they made a deal with the guy, Stacey made a deal he would go away if they get rid of me. And what do they do, They take Cowards's kind of like today these days, these guys taking a knee, these mayors like Garcetti and these police chiefs taking a knee for the mom. But that's what last year. Took a knee for the ball. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on

Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah and Jered, I mean, I love you man, You've been great over the years. But everyone in radio, what happened to you? Guys like it's like a horror story and you would just you laid it out perfectly. But you were ahead of your time in many ways. But it wasn't the mob. It wasn't a mob that got did. It was like one guy, but you you were canceled by a protester. We were canceled by one activist. But he also got help from Boston Globe, which is incredible.

People don't think anything of us to do in the business, and what they did. They had an editor her name was Shirley Leon. An editor just hated the station and she'd write occasionally write columns and one how awful we were. She worked with the guy. She literally got a list of our advertisers and called them with him, an editor of the Globe, and said, are you aware of this sexist comment they made as a homophobic comic they made on a on a daily basis, so and so the

Globe was completing. The Globe is not really a newspaper anymore. It's just kind of an arm of the you know, the Democrat Party, and they're just I mean, it's Sean Henry's a little plaything and and no one reads it or subscribed to it, but they do it carry out their little bit debt as when they want to. When me came after us, so the Globe end was one activist, then Bob said, one guy just got on his computer

every day and attacked. And you're right, we were kind of We talked about that now, Kirkmanhan and I talked about that this week. How we couldn't some office we wouldn't take us off of you talking about Antiefer and Black Lives Matter and whatever. The mayors, the governors, you know, we'd be would be getting some in some kind of trouble daily the Red Sox now the Red Sox for a big story because they they cowered to uh, Tory Hunter.

I don't know if you saw this, but this week Tory Hunter made up some silly story about how fans, a group of fans were chanting the N word and all the other fans were laughing in the stands, and it's it's ridiculous on its face. Nobody actually believed the story. But the Red Sox put out a statement and said, oh yeah, Tories experiences. They didn't actually say they believe them, but they said they support Tory Hunter and and you

know they coward the way they always do. And there is no way our station would have let me or Kirk on the air this week. They would have, you know, they would have pulled the put for sure, because that's your right. Then. That's why I feel like we were ahead of the time. This was almost a year ago from me, and now it's happening less than line. I mean, you see it that the guy in Sacramento who said all lives matter dot dot dot, every single one that Grant Napier to play by play guy and he got

fired saying oh lives matter. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at two a m. Eastern eleven p m. Pacific. Yeah, yea, Jerry. I mean, it's like you and and we're always like walking on eggshells and I and I don't I'm not nearly as as polarizing you guys. Did a great show, and we do it a little different on the overnight. But like your people are looking to trap you. It's

like they're trying to trap you. And if you don't have the same thought that they have, your your racist or your evil and they just they tag you with these things and it's it's a wild time. What's happening right now? It's wild and it is frightening. Man, it is scary. It's and you know what it used to be, even it was a better a year ago and ten

years ago, fifteen years ago. I mean, you listen to some of the stuff Stern did on FM or I must, even the characters, they mean, they just had much more freedom. I know guys in radio, as you of course do, but I know the guys friends of mine are still there and they feel like they're both are numbered because they're gonna step in it one of these days and some activists or some group is going to come down on them. Everybody's playing scared. It's you can hear it

in the voices of a lot of these guys. They're playing scared. They're afraid of a topic like this. You know, they wish they could talk about you know who should who should lead off, you know, for the rests. Instead, they're forced to talk about black lives matter and in our gutless governor in Massachusetts, and they set down the lockdown, and I mean it gets very intense, and these guys are getting very nervous because they know it is a it is a scary time. They're just waiting for the

next had to get locked up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven p m Pacific. Jerry, I got a question for you, because you know Ben obviously working at w E I. I actually went to school in Boston. I went to Northeastern for grad school back in the day, and I love the city. I know you're from there, but I absolutely love Boston. I have family and friends

that I grew up there. Um, with all this going on, and with your long history of working in radio, working in media, when this started happening, and even when it got to I guess the boiling point for everybody involved, did you ever think, person like, there's gonna be some retribution for these guys, for for the attack and for the way that they went after you and pretty much

chopped you by the knees with your career. It didn't initially, No, basically we're asked about it so that you know that nuts. I met with the girl, right and I said, he's what I said, and you know what, I said, this is crazy, a five year old child transitioning and I had a picture of the kid was born a boy in the transitioning to a girl. And I said that's crazy, and he goes, yeah, I would admit that's kind of crazy. I go, you just didn't need it what I said.

And the guy said, you didn't like the way you said it, and it just snowball from it. He just became obsessed and he said, I'm not going to stop until I get these guys fired. And we got wetting him. We got to know is his story. He was, That's all he did, you know, suit his neighbors. He super prown or started a petition to get this you know, selective and removed. It was so he was wealthy and he was said was retired and he just was sit home on his computer and try to william people's lives.

And initially I'm thinking, you know what, ratings were great. The revenuet was great. I've been there twenty years and you know, we had no boot prop and and I'm starting to think now that you know, I should have seen it come in. I mean, it's there was no sign that. As I say this all the time and talk radio sports rading, you need one thing above all others. You need a boss with some balls because you're gonna get especially in this day and age, the calls. It

used to be you get letters and calls. Now you get emails and texts, and you get the Twitter mob. And if the boss has some balls, he could tell him a screw. You could say, you know, he's my guy because his opinions, and I got his back. I had that for much of the twenty years. I did not have it for the last couple I had a boss who was it was scared of the mob and scared of losing his job and did not want to fight for us. It wasn't a fighter and just rolled

over and said, okay, we'll move on. Now. The station. I don't know if you know this event, but they just had the worst monthly rating in thirty years since I think ninety one and ninety two. It's a disaster, and obviously, um you know, there's all kinds of the red sex have just fallen off the map. They're just irrelevant now and that hurts. But the numbers, strings of the revenue are in the toilet, but they're not, you know, getting any grief from many activists. So I guess that's

what they wanted. That was the choice they made. Yeah, it's it's uh yeah, I saw that the numbers went down. We are my overnight show. I went to the Sports Hub and so, I mean, they're they're the beneficiary right of all all that's happening over there. But I don't like EI. The're mad aton and the way the example people like like me and others. So they kind of came.

They brought on them. And the numbers are just I mean, they love something you can wipe off the bottom of your shoot right, just they're just awful, ugly, ugly numbers. Did you hear the Big band? Did you tell your story of when your EI experience? Uh, well, well yeah I told a little bit. I didn't give him all the details, but it was Dave correct, that correct, j Jerry full disclosure. I don't think you left the company because of what you said. I think it's because the

bad luck that Ben brings along. So we're against the station. All the just goes to batty now like things just go down the waystside. We we were looking for a third guy. It was Kirkland and I were looking at the third guy, and we have talls. So the only guys in the guys in and then some from around the couple at Shawn Salisbury flying one day had a bunch of locals. And then because I was like him on overnight and his attitudes, she make a good cities of wise as it was like the fall that he

roots for people to lose. You don't work for people who when you were for guys to lose. That's a good way to look at it. So Ben comes in, you can it comes at the station said like a big suitcase. He looked like John Candy and plane strength and automobiles dragons and obviously I think it came down at four bills at that point, right, we'll do it. Um it becomes in the deal, change everything. We moved the mics so big sits down and we're just talking

on man. We said, so I think we had a break down, and you know where the company puts you typical our company that put him at the cheapest hotel right down the street. I think it's a day's in, but it was calosed convenient, so we tell them that's where the terist state amount eleven. There was a couple of the hijacker state there and he got Ben. You're like, We're like, you could have been in his room, and Ben's like, on his wife, don's the terrorist statement room.

But it was fifteen years later that Ben was a little uncomfortable staying in the same way with the terrorist from nine eleven. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app Sir s Are to Listen Live. Yeah, well, Jerry to be it was a horrible hotel. Uh. It was like I I would not like, I would not put my worst enemy in that hotel. And they hadn't

cleaned it. It was like the reason and you told me the story, and I thought you were b asking me. That's not true. And then I looked it up and and it was in the I think the Harvard newspaper. They because it's right near Harvard, that hotel, and they said that's that's yeah, that's where the guys stayed in there, and they stayed on the same floor I was on. So I don't know what room they were in, but they were on the same you know, I was on

the same floor. So I was like when and then when I walked down the hall to the elevator, I'm like, this is the same walk these assholes made when they were they were coming down. It was. It was crazy. I had I had a good time, and you guys were great, You're very kind of me, and uh, I had fun there, and it sucks that the way it ended. And as you said, the station's gone on the toilets since you guys left, and and that new morning show

is not exactly taken off unfortunately. It feels like the industry getting scared and powering and playing it safe, and everybody's you know, walking on egg shows because it wasn't the freedom that we used to have. And you can have and you could tell them people, you've got to have the freedom do the talk show, any kind of talk show. You can't be afraid of stepping on a on a mind every time on the air. And that's what lot of guys earn it, and Jerry walk me through.

I know you got a longerer writer at the Herald and you you worked at Sports Illustrative, Like, at what point and you mentioned this, at what point did the media companies indoor censorship? Because it certainly feels like we're heading that direction where if you don't agree, they want to silence you. And and it wasn't like that for a long time, but at some point within the last I don't know how many years has happened. Why is

it happening? Well, A couple of things I think is the uh Twitter, the social media has made it so much easier to round up a mob and go after a guy, or go after the station. Like I said, I keep playing some of the stuff that we did. We once set a strip. We don't do the sports mostly the John Dennis and I had a stripper come in. She was performing and she she lit herself on fire

in the studio and we were in then laughing. And I'll remember because the Midday Wholesdale he complained, Uh, we did it, and we're like, we don't look at its radio which sound I mean, but we did crazy stuff like that, and uh, no one thought anything of it. Now If you did that, you get a thousand or more tweets or texts or emails. It was just harder to complain when you had to write a letter. It's much easier to round up a mob, as we could

see around the country right now. You can get on Twitter and round up a mob, a virtual mob, but a a matter of minutes. I also think in our case, he just that sucks. They were not happy with the morning shows. They were made their feelings clear when we were when we criticized him, and I'm not trying about criticizing him unfairly, even just whatever, making fun of a dealing with hungry for something, and they would call management, and management would immediately apologize and make us call us.

And then the team was the one getting money from the station, and yet the team was the one calling all the shots. It never made me sense to me, But the teams became, you know, at least in my world, the team became much more powerful and in control of the station. Which is that. I mean, if people know that you're in the tank for a team, they don't respect your opinion about the team anymore. So I think that's a problem too. Jerry, you gotta go back real

quick on this, so correct me if I'm wrong. But you said that you brought a stripper on and she let herself on fire. Yeah, so you have you have a stripper that comes on, let lights herself on fire, performs Ben has males come on a show, they drink their own piss and then light themselves on fire. Maybe I should be Emboston not Los Angeles. Those days are over. It was funny because they she burnt a little hole in the studio wall and stay there forever she did

to her nest. And then she did one of my sidekicks my co hosts. Sheep like burnt his cut chair. He had jeans on, so she just had you know, lighter fluid. She lit over the up and it was pretty wild and we laughed and had a good time. And maybe someone wrote a letter, but it wasn't a big deal. Now you probably get the thousand tweets and tis that day somebody really wanted to round up the moss.

It could come after you, which is why stuff like that just isn't done anymore, even if it's you know, entertaining. Even if I said for all the listeners it was some you know, so you hunder um woman fully closed pretending to do that. Right, could then just some some that pretending to be in his radio There was no camera, So why could it be offensive? How does that offensive here? Yeah,

it was different rules that that was years ago. You know, maybe Becauseterne set the prone and other people did it. It didn't really make a deal out of it. But now there's no way in health they would never allow it. If you did it, you know, there's been would be someone you know, protesting the next day and they'd want your ass on the platter. And they did get it, they would get it. Yeah, Jerry, the thing about the Twitter mob, I feel like it's the matrix. It's not

it's not realized. There was a study done he probably saw it a few days ago that said that the top ten of people on Twitter are responsible for eight percent of the content that is created in the United States. So you're talking about ten and and you look at the overall numbers about the US population, how many people

are actually on Twitter, how many active users? You're talking about a handful of people that are dictating to major companies, major advertisers, and to to get rid of people, how how is that allot are we going to have an awakening here at some point, Jerry, where people realize that this is complete bullshit. We can say that on the podcast. Yeah,

you know, I mean, what's the man? I mean, I think the podcast today we were going down the list was, you know, cow Patrol is is getting canceled, and Pops the sub cons after twenty seven years is getting canceled. The reason and the reason for it is they want they don't like positive portrayals of cops. And I still imagine that whatever fifty years ago is we're having to change. Hollywood is making these changes because they're being pressured not

to police officers in a positive way. You'd say, that's insane, that's so happened. I could. I mean, I got it's like the guy in psycholto that maybe in siots are saying all lives model, what what does this rust? Or the guy in the New York Times, so helfu a qualititor. That's science because you want a headline of building is batter because of historic buildings are being evangelized, and they said buildings matter, you get fired, you get science. So

it is scary time. I'm glad I'm not twenty three trying to get into the business because I mean, you would just you just have so many rules to follow just to survive. I don't know, I always I wonder that too. Ben likes the pendulum gonna swing back the other way. It sure doesn't seem that way. It sure seems like the uh, you know, the barbarians are inside the gate now and they are going away when you see just the way they I mean, we where I am. The politicians are the worst. I mean that they just

bounded the whims of every morning. They're all into the defunding the cops. Now they're own, you know, Black Black Lives Matter. On the day that they took over the Seattle City Hall and by the way, six blocks of Seattle um, the wrestler John Cena gave him a million dollars and we talked about that on the podcast my podcast today, like, can you explain this to me the guy, Obviously, John Cena feels like it's good publicity or whatever giving

a million dollars to play Black Lives Matter. But if you turned on the news, John, you would see the occupied city Hall. They're participating in a lot of these riots and they're a big part of this occupation of six blocks of Seattle. I mean, are you not supporting little lawlessness? I mean they are all kinds of co operations that are giving a half a million or a million or more uh to Black Lives Matter. And I'm like, first of all, there's lots of good causes and not seen.

It is a very terrible time. What are you picking this for because you've been shamed into it or because they've prosecute Because if you don't, they're gonna say, what are you a racist? I mean, they don't need your money. They're you know, they're not right now, They're they're not doing very constructive things at the moment. You can find op chanities to to help out. Yeah, yeah. And and the police thing to defund the police, which has been

spreading around here and people just knocking the police. Listen, I I support the police, and I know you do too, Jerry. And and it's like if you say that, they're like, while you're racist, you can't say you support the police. How do we get to again? How do we get I'm just wrapping my head around all of this because like I know, there's bad cops and the and they obviously need to be taken care of. But that doesn't mean you get if you have one bad apple, you

don't throw out all the apples. And they want to throw out all the apples. Jerry and the and the bad apple that caused all this is going to prison for the rest of his life, life of pure hell. I mean, he got arrested, he's gonna get I think he's gonna get evicted. But I'm older. I think I'm

older than you, guys. I remember a time when you were supposed to respect and admire police, and people were actually like cheering for them in public and buying them coffee, and there were TV commercials about what heroes they were. I don't know if you guys remember it was like three weeks ago. Remember that three four three four weeks ago, the middle of the pandemic, you know, or something like

seven thousand in New York. Cops got the virus because they were on the front lines fighting and there were cops everywhere doing good work, and we were supposed to

stand and cheer when we saw them. And because you know whatever, a handful of activists decided one day that all I mean a new finger is the thing they stake paid is a c A p all cops are bastards, and it's like everywhere and these and these riots and news occupied and I'm saying, wait a sect three weeks ago all cops were he those Yeah, it's it's it's crazy and you know, not the reference a book because we you know, we're sports radio guys, but you're a writer.

The Orwellian thought police from the book N is like and I read that years ago, you know, and I was like, whatever, but it's really true. They the Grand Napier thing is the greatest example saying all lives matter, which most reasonable people with common sense will say, Okay, I get that, but the thought police, the activists are like, no, you can't say that. We have banned that phrase, and so like, who are the people? I guess the question is who are the people that decide what's allowed and

what's not allowed? And how how have they came so much traction in the last couple of years wild because because there's nothing the people fear more than being labeled racist, and they don't they don't buckle to uh, you know, black lives matter, or to the people that are carrying the water the media that they see. Media sends his work because it gets there all on board. I mean, if you don't do everything they demand. That includes not saying all of them, not only the guys say it. Man.

He said it, not in a way of like throwing it in the guy's face and like we're shooting Black lives matter. He kind of saying the anciliatory way. He said, always matter, do every single one, like I care about everybody. And the freaking guy is out of work now because of it. And there's and you know what's what makes it worse is there's very little outrage. I mean there

are people who saying, yeah, good. I mean they're very very little outrage when there's something so insane because they're afraid to be in the next you know, no one wants to be next. Yeah. Well, and Jerry. Also, the thing about Grant Napier is that not only did he get fired for that, but then they said he was like a racist, that guy thirty years as an NBA play by play guy just because he had strong opinions. And DeMarcus Cousins didn't like what he said about him

on the radio. And Chris Webber, which is, you know, Jerry, you've done the job great. You have to be critical of athletes that to do the job right, at least the way I was raised doing the radio. You've got to be critical. It's not you're not doing your job. And because he was critical of grand Napier, he became a racist. You can't even criticize or a grant aper

criticizing the Marcus Cousins. Rather. I mean so, I guess the lesson is, if you're gonna be a play by play guy and a talk you can't be a talk shows at least an opinion that talk shows. Right, you're gonnaken trouble for that. No, you can't know there's you know, everyone's gonna be my cream bird. That's the goal. I guess for some people, everyone's just gonna be you know, everyone was gonna sound the same and just escape their

laying and be as careful as possible. It's very very discouraging. Um. But maybe maybe right, maybe it's swing the other way. It doesn't feel that way right now. It feels like the the inmates are in full controls. I'm asylum right now, but I don't know. We'll see a time. Jerry, what are you doing now? Anyway? I'm obviously the uh, everything is still flammable in terms of sports and politics and whatnot. But what are you doing professionally now that you are?

I do a podcast daily called the Jerry Callahan Podcast, which is me the same guy. Wasn't I get to swear, however, and I get to say what I want. I don't get cold in the boss's office. And it's it's doing very well, doing a health not better than my old station. Um. And you can find it in all the usual places we were, you know, we we the slogan or whatever the on the on the locals, it's uh, Jerry Callahan Podcast, Politics, sports and revenge, and we have done a lot of

all three lately. As you know, there's not that much sports. Although I gotta say the Drewbries thing is insane. That's another example of the country. I mean, the meat whatever gone the same. And the guy said what he said, which is it started to answer to a question about kneeling for the anthem, just talking to love and his kind countree, and he's I believe he's apologized twenty seven times. Now is life suppologize as his kids are apologizing and

neighbors are apologizing for what? I don't know, but I think if they could do it the Drew Brees. I think they know this. Everyone knows this. They could do it to anybody, and so they exceed They succeeded in kind of preemptively shutting everybody up on this topic. And I'm telling you my prediction I've made this week is on Week one, when the NFL puts up rod to Goodell will be there and he will take a knee. Goodell himself will take a knee. That's how far we've come.

Every all these guys will, you know, Brady probably will. It's gonna be just a whole new world out there. And it's not that they believe in the cause, because we don't even know what the cause is. Colin Kaepernick is smart enough to not open his mouth. He never says anything because I don't know that he could articulate it. But everyone will be on board. It's going to be very dangerous to, you know, stance the anthem or tell everyone how much you love your country or how much

you respect the military. Those are going to be dangerous words very soon, whether person or professionally. You mentioned you're a couple of years older than us. Have you ever experienced anything like this since you've been born, no God, no nothing, nothing even not even close. And I liked to be on the adding, you know, big stories like I felt, you know, like it was what we're there for,

you know, we did, you know we're there for. Not eleven of planes went in the building while I was on the air, and we talked about it immediately and every day for weeks and weeks. And we were on the air after the mathon bombings, and while they were searching for the Zigny apps, which was right in our neighborhood, and we were we had the Watertown cops in the studio right after the shootout. So I mean, I like that kind of those kind of stories, the big stories.

I don't know how you can't. It's certainly more interesting than you know, the next day's starting pitching matchup or whatever. But nothing like this, truly nothing. I mean, it's incredible. The you know, we destroyed the economy voluntarily in this country over the last three months. We had these lockdowns where you couldn't go out in public without being called selfish, you couldn't go to the park, you were called selfish.

And then immediately instantly because of one bad cup, who did one awful, evil thing we have, you know, two hundred thousand people in the streets in Los Angeles, and everyone's said, is that wonderful? Just a bizarre time, And I'm glad I at least have an out where the podcast to talk about it, because man don't want to talk about Well, what about your your personal relationships? Because we talked so much. Ben and I talked about just the way that social media is and colleagues and whatnot.

But we all have friends and family that are either right eas or lefties or somewhere in between. Have you severed ties with people that are in your personal circle just because they've been so outlandished one way or the other that like, in this kind of an environment, it's there's no point in having those people around anymore. I I don't severtise with them, but they sometimes advertise with men.

I can handle it, you know. I I say this all the time, like I get liberal friends of hate Trump and and I don't debate them, just like Ow the Data co host or car and I don't take it personally, but they do. You know, I have family, so I avoid it with certain people, but I don't mind. And how gladly talk about this. Whatever the issues here today with with the riots or the pandemic or whatever.

I don't understand that most people, especially here. I see that being raised in Boston and go to school here, and I mean, I've always been outnumbered. There's always been more crazy liberals and you know, people like me. So I'm used to it. And I've worked in journalism so used to being outnumbered. I don't mind. I like to Jerry. I want to ask one more question before I turn

it back over to Bed. This is a personal question. Um, if I put you in the garden in a game seven and you needed one guy, would you rather have Jonathan Quick or took a risk? I need to be honest. I bet Larry Bird come on question. I thought you'd ask me like Jordan a bird and answered. I was gonna answer before you finished question. Would there we almost every os career and it was just never seeming like it was a treat every night. It just so tough and so cuch. But I don't know. I'll take the

local kid because there you go, Jerry. I want to go back to the Red Sox thing with the statement they issued about the racism and all that, and uh, you know, I've been to Boston a few times over the years and and I've never seen that. I know, obviously the history of Boston going way back. You guys when you had the Morning show you had talked a lot about and it was the Adam Jones thing a at Fenway a few years ago, Like like, what is

what is the real stories? Like it seems like people just repeat that is Boston racist, like the media portrays it? Is it as bad as it worse? I mean, where, what's the real story? I know the old history too. It used to be racist. General manager the cold Jack Roberts, and I want to take her ups and try it out and take that leaping on one off the field. They didn't get a tower? Are so to take a shower on all the stories going over today on my podcast? Um?

You know what I denied the history they had in the Cobs, which is some kind of berry and Johns Patrick who was there for decades, who was raping young Rob. I brought kids went to Haven training and he would play them in ever with them. And this went on for years and I found a big cat and busted and died. And I think that it still owners looked the other way when this was going on. Sometimes will solve the history. That doesn't make what Tory Hutter or Adam John said true. I mean if you look at

it and says that's what happened this week. Then and they had to do the interview in Boston had said whatever his clients in the field, the a group of five kids chanted the N word, and he actually did it on the radio cha to the N word, and a whole group of adults have said clapped and laughed along with them. Now that is on its face, that is impossible to believe. That it is not by facts. That's impossible to believe. Nobody reporting, nobody said anything. He

didn't say anything. This was like pen pen trap, wasn't he didn't see anything. If the pap told nobody, he just decided now to make this story up. And everybody knows it's you know, it's it's bols that can happen. Okay, I'm not saying things like that. Hasn't have to put the past. But this example and he game is just made up. The world socks of course, and the planters that they are put out a statement saying what toys experience was, It's real. It happens, And I said, they

believe that. They just said thinks acts happened, and they said that that's seven complaint for last year racial stars in the stands. Now there are three three million fans over with anyone games said that. I don't know, is that a lot of that? A little? How many of the Yankees have We don't know how many thes the Dodgers, who knows, But they said it happens because they like

everyone else. Now, they put out a picture of the new general manager at his desk in his office, and they put a picture on the wall behind it to say black lick does matter, and another picture of Luther came next to it. That's how much. That's how much these guys paying it. They have that list are haped to call stories h to a liar. They don't believe the story either, but they don't want to say it

because it will make them look racist. If so, that's the situation, you know, the again the mob wins again the mob. He isn't control of things. The mob has to put the red sox in Kimmid David. And that's how they operate. They don't have any black people in the front office and all black, a black manager in a hollow lot of black people. But god, they think black lives matter. So give him a pun on the head. There you go. And and Jerry one one final point.

You gotta tell the story. You went to the White House a few years ago and uh it was with the Patriots. And what was that? Like, I trump yelled your name. I remember I heard you guys played the audio. He could like kind of barely hear it, but he he like acknowledging that was pretty cool. What was what was that? Like? They were up they were up in the balcony or whatever that's called up in the balcony. He gave a bunch of players in the class a tour,

chumped it after a ceremony. You take them, you know, doing the thing. And so we're outside looking up and they come out on the balcony. Bob crafts that's Jerry Calley had done it. He's a big supporter yours. And he said thanks Jerry, and he yells my name. I said, Spross, you know, and audio and there's another game made Jerry the front of us, he claimed to the sampan wasn't even was like somewhere else. But uh so I got a shout out from the President at that time, which

was pretty cool. That was the day and Hernandez on himself killed himself. That day. We went on the air, book the news, and then what happened went to the White House. It was a big day. Wow, that is a big day. Jerry. Thanks for doing this again. The Callahan podcast right's available where we get podcasts, you can or the little phonow me on Twitter to just that tolling the g but it's called Jerry Callahan Podcast Sir awesome downloaded, subscribe to it, give Jerry a good review

and continues sex success. Jerry, thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. Thanks Jerry. Sure, Thank guys. Thanks thanks for having me.