Full Steam Ahead with Jim Mora

four hours a night on the Overnight not enough. Eight days a week a spinoff of the Overnight Show, And I am very excited here on the Friday podcast to have one of my favorite people that I've in my career in radio that I have gone across. Now. We used to introduce him in a minute, but first joined again this weekend by the Man, the Myth, the Legend, my sparring partner on and off the podcast from Best of the four oh five, David Gascon is here. I don't know if we should be trusted with with the

fencing attire or any kind of sparring. I don't know. I can't see us in any kind of fencing attire. Well, it's audio sparring, it's lobbying, insults, at each other and then hugging it out. That's typically how that works. Speaking of which, I will shut up for now because I'm excited about your guests that's coming on right now. Yeah, this is great. So I've run across some interesting cats

in my time at Fox Sports Radio. Former NFL players, coaches, baseball players, NBA players that have passed through the allout hallways of FS are. But one of my favorites at the very top of the list is a guy. When I was a kid and I was falling in love with football, I remember watching this guy when the Rams would play the New Orleans Saints, Jim Mora Jim Moore. Remember Jim Moore coached the Indianapolis Colts as well well. Jim Moore worked at Fox Sports Radio for a number

of years. He hadn't worked there in probably over a decade at this particular point, but he did a weekend show and I got to fill in on that show, and I did some shows with Jim. I remember it was around the time Hurricane Katrina had happened, and Jim had obviously lived in New Orleans and who I remember watching the media coverage in the studio and Jim was talking about different parishes that he had visited or lived in and all the damage being done in New Orleans.

But I found memberies just a growing up watching Jim and it's it's one of those weird things in life when you come across someone who was not a hero or anything like that, but just the fact that it's it's surreal when you know someone a little bit that you watched as a kid, and it's really cool. And Jim's well known, he's he's known as the rant guy. I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here. The rant guy from Playoffs and my favorite, Jim mora rant.

I've told him this to his face, so I'm not talking out of school. Here was the Diddley Pooh rant from New Orleans, which I believes a gold standard top five of all time. But Jim Moore, former NFL coach, a man that coach multiple teams a long career and in football, a football this guy started at Occidental in the nineteen sixties and worked his way up in college football. Was with UH defensive coach for the Seahawks. He was an assistant with the Patriots, the Eagles coached Uh, We're

not the Eagles. Actually no, that was in the the USFL, Philadelphia and Baltimore. That franchise at the starts. Anyway, Uh, let's get to the man right now, who's as sharp as every case in mid eighties. Now, I think we'd all want to be what Jim Moore is right now. I know I'm sucking up to your Jim, But why don't we start since I where I met you at Fox Sports Radio? Where does your time You've done a

lot of different media stuff since you left coaching. Where does your time at Fox Sports Radio rank on your big board of accomplishments in your media career. I liked it a lot. And I was living in the desert over near Palm Springs on Evan Palm Desert, which is where I lived when I was doing that with Fox, and I worked every weekend on Fox Sports Radio. I think it was from my twelve to four, ten to two.

I think it was a four hour shot. And I forgot exactly who I was on with, but he was the main guy and I was, I guess his assistant or helper or whatever. And I really enjoyed it. I'd drove over there and worked on Saturday and then did another show on Sunday and then drove back on Sunday evening. Uh. They put me up at a hotel there. Near the hotel was the Fox. Are you guys still in the valley? Truman? Okay? I usually they usually put me up at a place

over the hill in the West l A. Area. And I don't remember exactly what hotel it was, but I really enjoyed the time that I spent over there. Had at a good time. People were loose, they were fun, uh, and it was on being on the radio, and I had a good time. It was a good experience for me. Yeah, and I j if I loved I got to fill in. I worked with you a few times back in those days. And it's it's been a while, and I think you've met worked with Dan Moriarty is I think it was Dan. Yeah,

I think it was Dan. I haven't heard of or seen Dan since then, but I think it was Dan. Yeah. He's still around, He's still bouncing around and all that. And I know I had talked you off before we started rolling on the podcast here that and I've seen you on TV, Jim, because you have for years. You former New Orleans Saints coach and you've you've done some media work in New Orleans right since over the last decade or so, you've been part of some of the

Saints coverage right. Well, for the last I think I'm going on to my thirteenth season this year, either my twelve or thirteen season. I've been doing work with w A D s U. W D s U is the NBC affiliate in New Orleans television, and uh, what we did, we what we do now still is whenever there's a game on national television, like a Monday night game, a Friday night game, or a Thursday night game, whatever time is, it's just it's the game and be like the game

that's on Tomorrow night, Thursday night. Whenever there's a national TV game that is shown either by NBC or even E S, t N or something that NBC is affiliate with, the w d s U station in New Orleans does a pregame show and a post game show. The pregame show could be three to four hours. Uh, we did our first one this year. A couple of weeks ago. They were playing the last preseason game on a national

TV and I went down there and we did. But then when you did, we do it like a three or four our pregame show and then an hour or so post game show. And I've been doing that. Like I said, I think it's either my twelve or thirteenth year. Now. Last year where they didn't have we didn't do it. We did. We did a zoom every week. I did it from my home here in Palm Desert. This year we're doing it again. I think they have four or

five games on National TV. I like no Ones on Thanksgiving, but that type of game will be on from New Orleans. And we're also doing a zoom every week. In fact, we're set up to do a zoom about the game this week on Thursday. Tomorrow morning, I'm doing a zoom with W. D. S. Shoe. So That's what I've been doing.

As far as that's that, Yeah, that kind of a deal. No, No, sure, And uh, when you when you look around the NFL and the when when you were doing it, Jim and you were, you know, coaching in the NFL was wild and crazy. It seems like even you know, every year the NFL gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And as someone that's spent a good amount of time as as

an adult coaching in the NFL. When you when you take a couple of steps back and look at where the NFL's at right now, Jim, like, how can you have you put a perspective insane how much money there is in football and how big and popular it is part of the American culture right now. Yes it is. And you know, I look back, and of course I look at what I made as a head coach in the NFL, and what head coaches are making now, what assistant coaches are making now, and all that kind of good.

I mean, it's happening in everywhere. It's not just happening in the NFL, but it's happening in the entertainment business. And basically basically the NFL is an entertainment business. And um, so, you know, and the game itself has changed. I'll tell you another big change is the number of coaches on a coaching staff in the NFL. When I coached, we probably had ten oral that maybe twelve coaches can concluding me and the special team's coach and then the offense

and defensive coaches. Now, I'll bet there's not an NFL team in existence that has less than twenty coaches on their staff. I don't know what they do with all of them, but I know that they have a you know, they really specialize as far as coaching the positions are concerned. So that's a huge change as far as I'm concerned. But the the the offenses, the just the money, obviously, Uh,

it's it's a it's a big deal. When I watched games and when I read about him and talk about him on TV and stuff, I mean, I realize how things have changed an immense in an immense way. Yeah, and you mentioned you had like twelve coaches when you were coaching the Colts and the Saints back back in the day. Is is it almost too much? I know you're not you don't have twenty coaches. You're not coaching right now, Jim, But at some point, isn't that number

too much? You can't hear everyone's voice, can you? If you have that many assistant coaches, that must be uh, a logistical nightmare. I would think, how does how does that work? Well? I don't know now, you know what I've I've gotten to meet Sean Payton back with the coach of the Saints, obviously, and I've spent some time talking to him, But I've never asked him that question,

and I've got to ask him that question. Sometimes. I'm in my den, which is also my office here in my house, I'm looking at a picture on the wall of my Saints staff one of the years that we were there, and I'm counting one to three, four, six, seven, eight, nine, eleven eleven coaches including me as a head coach, and our and our strength and conditioning coach, and then all my assistant coach. There's eleven in that article in that picture.

Like I said, now, and I followed this a little bit because of you know, covering the NFL for w D, s U and everything, there's not there's not a staff less than twenty I guarantee in the NFL. Again, I don't it's very specialized, obviously, but you know, I think a lot of the high tech I think there's a lot of difference in in in game planning and information that you use from game planning, about the differences in film and exchanging films and all that kind of stuff.

And I know it's a lot different than it is now, but I think there's a lot of high tech stuff involved now in being a coach or information you get through that way as opposed to other ways more primitive that we did. And I think that that involved more more guys, more coaches breaking stuff down and things like that to get ready for the season, for the draft games and things like that. I don't know, Jim, is the game better. I'm just assuming Jim, is the game better?

Do you think? Yeah? Well, is it better? I think it's more exciting, it's more wide open. It's definitely more wide open. I mean, the passing game has become more a bigger deal than it used to be. And and the formations they use the defense, you very seldom see a defense signed up with four defensive backs line up with four defensive backs. Now, most of the time they're gonna have at least five defensive backs. On first down,

they're gonna have five defensive backs. Back when I was coaching, on first down, you were mostly with four defense defensive backs because you know, you're worried about the run game and things like that. Now the offenses are wide open four three or four receivers much of the time. And uh, and that of course changes what you do on defense, and and and most of the time there's there's five

defensive backs out there. To protect the passing game. So that's big, a big change as far as I'm concerned. But you know, now you've got practice We never when I first started coaching, we never had a practice squad. Now the practice squad came in while I was still coaching. But now they have what is it fifteen or something like that on the practice scott or twelve you know, yeah about the practice squad. Yeah, they added more because

of COVID. So yeah, there's that they added because of COVID. Okay, I didn't know that as as I understand what I know, but it's even before COVID there was more than what I what we had when I was coaching, but I didn't really I can understand that now adding more because of COVID, Yeah, for sure. I don't know. It's just that the squad sizes is basically the same. You know, what they can what they can dress on game day.

It's I think it's well, I think they can keep fifty three and the active roster and then then they got the practice squad and then but I don't know if they can. I don't know, But anyway, it's it's it's a different game. Offensively, it's a different game. Well when it comes to the coaching styles, though, I mean

there's there's still obviously that nuance that's involved. Do you feel like it is more leaning towards a if you as long as you're a good offensive coordinator, you've got a shot at being a good head coach, is opposed to being a great defensive coordinator and being a good head coach. You know, I'm not sure about that. That's that's a good question. And I kind of follow, you know, coaching changes and stuff. I'm not at all familiar with the head coaches now a lot of most of them, um,

but I that's a good question. I think they're basically looking for good guys that would be good head coaches, whether it's software defense. But yes, if I had to make a guess, and I could have to have to look this up, probably the majority. I don't think it's a major majority, but I think the majority would be

offensive oriented coaches that become head coaches. So, I mean, with that being said, then do you feel that a lot of what is being utilized at the high school than college level is able to translate into the program. I mean, we've we saw in years past, obviously with like Arkansas and even Auburn running the wildcat, but the

styles and obviously four and five wide personnel. Do you feel like that is sustainable for the National Football League or do you like when teams are more balanced and using a traditional fullback and the tight end or two time ends. Well, there's no idea. I don't know if anybody has a fullback anymore. I guess they do, but he's not on the field very often. I know that he's listed as a fullback, but he gets in there about three times a game. But anyway, uh, I I

think you see a difference in collegiate football. I already do. I think that's the passing. Here's the deal. And this has always been mostly true, but I'm not so sure it's not more true than ever before. To really be good, really be good super Bowl candidate, get into the NFC Championship game, you better have something somebody special at quarterback. He just better. I don't care what I don't. I think it's really hard to get to a Super Bowl as as with an average quarterback and say a great

defense or a great running back. I think you better have a great quarterback. That's my special quarterback. I already feel that who is important? Who is the best quarterback you've ever coached that I ever? Well, probably probably Bobby A. Barrett at Oh, No, well, Peyton Manning. I coached Peyton Manning his first four years, and he became Yeah, he was probably the best, and obviously became the best after

I left there. But uh, and then and then in New Orleans, we had a guy by the name of Bobby A. Bear that was our quarterback for many of the years that I was there. I was there eleven years, he went there every year. But and he was a really good quarterback. Was he a great And I know Bobby very well. And when I say this, I don't mean to demean him, because but he was a really good quarterback, a good leader, tough, smart, all those kind

of things that players looked up to him. But was he in the in the Home Hall of Fame category or something like that. No, No, And he and he and we we were a defensive team primarily, was our strength when I was coaching the Saints offensively primarily, And uh with the Colts primarily and offense. Our strength was offense. But Peyton was I mean you could see right away with Peyton that he was going to be special. Yeah, and but he did. I mean his rookie year, he

had a bunch of intersepts. I remember, and you know, you guys had a great team that year, and what do you think finally click for him? Because wait a minute, let me let me tell you something. When we drafted Peyton with the first pick in the draft in it was my first year, Bill Pollion's first year as a GM, it came down, we're gonna draft one or two guys, either either Peyton or Ryan Leef. We drafted Peyton. Okay, that's that's another story. But but I told from we

drafted him one weekend. The very next weekend we had our first mini camp. Are key players in there? My first year, our first time we had all the team in there, and I Peyton was our starter. I mean, it wasn't like, well, let's playing behind this guy for a year or two and get experienced and all that. He was the starting quarterback from the very first practice he ever was out was involved in as an NFL player, And he was that first year in and he played

every offensive play and we our record was three and thirteen. Okay, now he got better as the season went on, and you could see it, the improvement from game to game to game. At the end of the season, he was a pretty dark, good looking quarterback at that point and you could see the possibilities. But we weren't a very good football team, either defensively or in a lot of ways.

We made some changes during the off season, not a lot, but if you the next year we were thirteen and three, and the fact that Peyton was our starting quarterback for the three and thirteen his first season, made a big difference in his ability to play that second year. I mean, I really, I mean, he wasn't sitting on the bench getting experience. He was playing, he was making mistakes, he was doing good things, he learned from it, and the next year we're we're thirteen and three with Peyton as

our quarterback. So I don't believe in sitting a guy on the bench unless he's unless he's clearly not the best one. I mean, if you draft a guy her second or third. I know this year they had three guys the top three were quarterbacks. Well, it depends what kind of a situation they go into. If they go into a situation where they're they're definitely better than the guy that that's already there. You better play him, play him, you know, we were it was my first year. I

wasn't going to get fired after one year. Polian wasn't gonna get fired after one year, and so we stuck painting in there. Peyton is a very mature young man. He was in he is still he's not a young man, but he's he was mature, and he handled the ups and downs extremely well. The players around him, the veterans, never lost confidence in him. He was very well respected. He had a great work ethic he and this was

throughout his career, and great leadership qualities. So the three and thirteen experience didn't didn't hurt him in any way. It helped him in a lot of ways. And he just came back and he played hard every week. He throw for four interceptions one game and bounced b can practice bounce back the next week. Got better during the year, and it all paid off in year two. Yeah, and absolutely, and Jim, I I wanted to talk kind of about we're not talking too much. No, you're Jim, You're great.

What it plays, don't stop. You're you're as sharp as you is it. We're back. I love it. I haven't talked to you in years. It's great. So now you coaching the A. I remember when I, you know, I was watching you with the Saints and they had you had a great defense. As you said that, there's some amazing linebackers in New Orleans. But they had this these NFL films videos with the craziest hits and all that,

and they will promote that. Now in the NFL they try to downplay the hits and and the violence of football is it isn't possible, Jim, to play football without it seems like a collision sport to me, Is it possible to make it completely safe? I don't. I don't think so. Were you standing no, no, no, but no, you're right, it's not it's it is impossible to make it completely safe. I think maybe. No, I'm not sure about this. After you're still gonna you're always gonna have injuries.

And they happened like the first day of training camp or a week into training camp. By reading the paper you know with the season about the start where guys get hurt in training camp and they're gonna miss the rest of the season and things like that, and I that's that's that's tough. That's really tough. It's tough on the kid, it's tough on the team. But but I I think that I think that that where the league

has really improved things. And I don't know the stats, but in head injuries, you know, lose leading on a tackle or a block or something like with your head, that type of stuff, or maybe even going low on the quarterback if you're gonna about to sack him, you know where you're gonna blow out his knee or something like that. I think there's been a lot of uh improvements and and and changes and making the game better from that standpoint, but it's still it's still aggressive, hard hitting, UH.

Possible injury a game, there's no question, and it always will be. I mean, these are big guys, and they're bigger all the time, and they run faster all the time, and when there's a collision, it's one heck of a collision and there's chances of getting hurt. I also think guys are better protected. I think they're in better shape to withstand some of those injury or possible injuries. But

but no, it's it's a tough game. I don't want to say a vicious game because it's not a vicious game, but it's an aggressive, hard hitting, physical game, and you have injuries. And Jimmy says, I have you on now. I worked with Tom Looney, and I know you know Tom from back in the day of Fox Sports Radio and Tom whenever we would talk about you, and we

were tremendous fans when you worked at the company. But I remember Tom would always say that you you're I guess your father, as I understand that your father was in the movie like was in the movie business, and so you are even though you're to me, you're the football guy and people know you as the football guy. You are also very well locked in in Hollywood. And you know every year the Academy Awards, you watch watch all those movies. Am I correct on that? Am I

remembering this properly? Am I getting the information? Correct him? Yes, you are my dad. It wasn't he started out. He started out, This was when when I was you know, I wasn't a baby. I mean I was, I was probably in my I don't know, I probably wasn't in my teens yet, but it was down there somewhere. But it wasn't like I was a baby, but he went to work. He used to own an Italian restaurant in

l A. Some thing's happened. I don't remember what happened, but I remember him owning it and his family had a four or five of them in Los Angeles. His his, my grandmother and all that more as grill and stuff like that. But anyway, uh, he things happened with the restaurant, and he went to work for twenty century Fox as in the Labor Gang, and he worked his way up to becoming an assistant film editor. And he was an assistant film editor at a Century Fox for most of

his career. He eventually left Fox and became the supervising Uh well, I said he was an assistant film editor. Yeah, he became the supervising film editor for the Art Link Letter TV show. So he had experience at Fox with the movies and also with the Art Link Letter show. So I was around and then we we moved. When my dad was was at Fox, we moved out to West l A. Where I was. I was at Eagle in New Eagle Rock killed the ninth grade between Glendale

and Pasadena. That's where Eagle Rock is until the ninth grade. And my dad needed to be closer to Fox, so we moved out there. So from the ninth grade on, I was right down the street from twenty Century Fox. I had an opportunity. I worked at Fox some during the summers, and I was able to get around movie stars and people like that. I went to a high school in West l A. Which guys from the families

from students from bel Air in the movie area. People like that their kids went to went to University high school. There was a connection there. I've always been a big movie fan, a huge movie fan, and uh, I love I love working in the movies and and and my dad being in TV and and and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, JF. So when you were working when you were younger, do you who are some of the big stars that you were around when you worked

on the on the lout Oh God, you remember. I know it's been a long time, but yeah, I worked too. I work one summer up on the ramp, you know where all the lamps are and stuff. I worked on two movies. I worked on Desiree, which was which was what's his name in it? Jesus? It was Desiree was Napoleon's wife or Uh, Desire movie. So that was in the nineteen uh four? Was that? Uh, eighteen fifty four. I think I'm looking my memory is bad. That's all right. I'm young and I what was that would be called

There's No Business Like Show Business? Uh? Was Marlon Brando in in Desire? Was that Napoleon's mistress or wife or girlfriend or whatever? Yes? Yes, wow, God, Marlon Brando, Marlin Marlon Brando with Napoleon so that, you know, it was fun for me sitting up there, you know, in charge of about three of those lamps where the guy would say, okay, make it brighter, make it less, brighter, turn it on, turn it off. Whatever. Then you'd watch him shoot the

scenes and you're watching Marlon Brando. I think it was Gene Simmons was Desiree And uh yeah, that was kind of fun. When we did the musical There's No Business Like Show Business. It was fun just being around you, going in and setting up to the stages and stuff before they did shooting a movie. Uh, all that kind of stuff. I enjoyed it. I like I like the movies I haven't been for, but I have been a few. But you know, with the COVID and everything. It's been tough, Jim.

Everything on TV anyway, Jim, Jim, speaking of TV, do you do you ever use do you watch videos on YouTube? Yeah? Yeah, alright. I bring that up because of this being an old football guy myself and enjoying, uh, the years back in the day when big hits like Ben had mentioned, we're allowed. I always go back to your press conferences, Like there's certain head coaches you Mike Dick, John Tortorella, the New York Rangers back in the day, Um, Darryl Sutter who's

in the National Hockey League. They're just certain guys. And you know, you get those great moments when you did a good laugh and I tell you what we did? Did lee pooh? Offensive? We sucked? Is there a rat that you ever go back and you look at you to say that was an awesome moments? Awesome or awful both? I guess one or the other. Yeah. Never, probably more awful the ones you see or here, we're more awful

than awesome. I mean the rant I get all the time, all the time walking down the street wherever I hear playoffs. You know, well, I'm not gonna say it like I said it then, but I get the playoffs thing, which which I'm a little bit nervous it will be the thing that when I die, you know, Oh yeah, he was a guy that said playoffs all that kind of stuff. I get. I get that a lot in in I get guys always sending me they want me to sign these cards, you know, and and let's they sign your

name and put playoffs on there. But anyway, that's probably the one. And you know, it's not that the worst thing in the world that I ever said, but and it wasn't a big deal when I said it, I thought, But but it it became a big deal. And uh, I'd like to I go back to my press conferences. In my mind, I go back to them, and there were some things I should and should have done differently

that I regret. Yeah, no question about it. But I've always been an emotional guy, and sometimes I didn't handle those kind of moments whatever they were very well, and I said some things I wished I hadn't said. Who did you well? I mean that playoff thing. I remember

when when you were working at Fox. I mean, that was big then and it's still all these years later, Jim, it's still it's it's amazing that that has had legs and people still it's Internet memes, and I mean, you are I don't know if you're on social media or not, but you're all over that and I'm not on social media. I don't do that. Don't do it. Okay. I walked down the street, not all the time now, but some

and I see some guy. Say, I'm knocking down the street somewhere, and this guy passes me and he kind of looks at me, and he kind of looks like he recognizes me, and then say, I hear about ten paces past me, and I heard the him say playoffs, you know, and that kind of stuff. Or a little kid might come up to me and asked me to autograph something to put playoffs, which I don't mind doing that, but sometimes it kind of depends what kind of mood

I'm in. A said, whether I'm going to respond to request for an autograph and say playoffs or not, I don't know. It kind of depends, but but it is what it is, you know. And when I said it, I didn't think it was that big a deal. I mean, some guy asked me about, well, how does this was

my last year with the Colts and he says. It was after a game, and it was towards the end of the season and we were going to make the playoffs, and some guys that we just lost the game, and some media guys says, well, hey, coach, well what does this loss due to your chances of making the playoffs? And that's when I responded, I said, you know, are you I said, are you kidding me? Playoffs? I mean, we're just trying to win a game, and that's all I said. And I think it was the game against

the forty Niners. Yeah, I think it might have been the game against I think my son Jim was a defensive coordinator of the forty Irons and they kicked our button. Yeah, I think it was a home game. It might have been. I think Pete Manning. I think three picks three picks in that ball game. So um, well, I mean you mentioned some of the things that you regret. What did you regret inside the locked room with the media guys? A lot a lot of that stuff I I was not.

I mean in New Orleans, I I had a problem with one of the guys, and you know that kind of lasted for a few years that I didn't appreciate, but I didn't always blame me. I would blame him for some of the questions and things he said and things he asked me. But but and I I some of the media guys that I that I got to know, I still I still talked to occasionally or get a

text from or text them back or something. I was in. UH. I was in New Orleans a couple of weeks ago, and and and Brian Allie Walsh who was a sports guy writer for for the Time, Stick of You, and when I was there, he and I got together for a cup of coffee down in downtown New Orleans, sat there for two or three hours and talked. UH and so most of these guys, I have a great respect for the media, especially since I was in the media

after coaching. I know what they go through. But I felt like some of the things we're not fair, which is no big deal. And UH, I probably overreacted to some of the questions I was asked or things like that. And it was usually you know, after a game and an emotional situation, things like that. But I I was I was probably I know I was wrong at times. Last question, I know we've kept it longer than we said we were. I don't have no, no, I want to.

I would ask you, like, what is the secret you are as as sharp you're You're in your eighties, now, what is the secret to staying as sharp as you are? No? Seriously, you sound you sound it's insane. You don't sound your age, And what is the secret, Jim, I don't look my age either, And I'll brag about that, Okay, full ball if my dad died at ninety three. So I think jeans plays a part in it. I will say I

keep myself physically in good shape. I have a trainer now this, and I've you know, when you're coaching here, always around the weight rooms and things like that, so you always had a chance to, you know, work out. So I'm not all coaches do it, but but I would take advantage of it as best I could, especially

during the off season. And and since I stopped coaching, I've always I work out and I go to a trainer twice a week for an hour twice a week of really a tough hour of everything, body works, strange, cardio, the whole thing. I got a peloton in my house and I'll hop on for thirty to forty five minutes four times a week, five three or four times a week, and you know, push ups and stuff like so I keep myself in shape. I don't eat a bunch of junk.

I have a little bit I could. I have a little bit of a high sugar problem, so I lay off the sweet stuff. And uh, I don't know, you know, just be being lucky. I haven't had any major uh uh illnesses or thing. I've had a couple of cancer problems, but not not fatally type kind. But I've been lucky. But I try to take care of myself. But I think a lot of it is just look, I got to tell you something of that, and I hate to

even say that. In the last couple of years, I have lost more long time friends, associates, coaching friends, players, things like that, and it just drives me crazy that these I mean, I couldn't put the number on both hands of both hands twice of guys that have died, that good friends of mine, really good friends of mine, and that former coaches, the guys I coached with, players, everything in the last couple of years. So I know I'm getting older when all of this is happening, and

I don't like it. It bothers me, it depresses me. Yeah, well you sound great, Jim, you look great. And as my my grandfather said, tell me, getting old ain't for wims, right, and you're you're living that's right. Yeah, but you're doing a great job. What I fight it, I ain't gonna lose to it good. I'm I'm not gonna be like Listen, guys, I was sitting in a restaurant the other day and this guy was sitting next to me, and then he recognized me, and he says, oh, that's old guys, you know.

And I said well, and I said, well, I said, I bet I'm older than you. He looks he looks a hell or I look and I said, I'll bet i'm old. You don't look like I said, yeah, I said, how old are you? He's a seventy three And I said, well, I'm made six. I know I looked better than him. You know, you you do. I mean, I remember, like

I said, I gotta wrap this up. And when when you worked at Fox Sports Radio, you even back in the end, you you were like, look, you always look at twenty at least twenty years younger than you actually are. So you're you're doing great, Jim. Thank you all right,

I want to have you on again. You're wonderful. I'll tell Tom and all the guys there's a few guys left at Fox Sports Radio from when you were there, so I will pass it on to all the guys that are still hanging out and good luck, good health, and uh well, I love you and we're big fans. Thank you, Jim. Okay, great talking to you. Guys. Have a good day.