Darrick Martin

everywhere Back again. Another weekend has begun with the podcast because hey, listen four hours a night in the Overnight or Not Enough, a spinoff of the Ben Maller radio program eight days a week, eight days a week. I hope you had a chance to hear the Ben Mallor Show podcast and now you're listening to this podcast. So we do something a little different if you're if you're

new to the party. And every Friday we like to bring in someone who I know or I like, who I want to talk to, because we don't get to do that on the overnight show. It's, you know, late at night, it's hard to hard to get anyone to call in live, and we generally have you the callers, the few people that call up who are the characters

on the show and stuff so on. On Fridays here we like to bring somebody in and this week we are excited to welcome in a former NBA player, someone who I actually have known for you know, casually, casually. It's not like we're you know, we're best friends. But I've known this guy for many, many years. Uh. He played for the Clippers when I was a radio reporter just getting started in, you know, in that early mid nineties period, and we became somewhat friendly in that period

of time. And he's gone on, had a big career, played over ten years in the NBA's played in the minor leagues of basketball for the Harlem Globe Trys. We're talking about Derek Martin. He played it, you see, l A for the Bruins and he went undrafted and the guys had a ten He had a tenure career in the wild world of basketball and has been a coach and broadcaster. He's pretty much seen and done it all

as a basketball hobo. But I remember him as a Clipper, and he played with Vancouver and Sacramento and Dallas and the Toronto Raptors and Minnesota, all these teams. But I I have fond members of of Derreck Martin as a clipper and he joins us now and Derek welcome in. I know you called in the other night to the Overnight Show. Is great to hear from you. I've seen you pretty active lately on Twitter and what not. So give me the give me the inside skinny. What have

you been up to recently? Well, you know, I had a good run as a coach of the assistant coach at St. John's under Steve Lavin, assistant with Kurt Rambis when he was at Minnesota Timberwolves. And then I was fortunate enough to be the head coach of the Areno Bighorns, the D League team for a Sacramento for a couple of years. So, uh, the coaching thing was doing good. But as my son got a little older, I wanted to be closer to him. So me and Mitchell Butler

have started our own training business. It's Legacy West Basketball dot Com. And so we've been doing that and it's it's been taken off really good, teaching the next generation of basketball players how to do it. So I for those who don't know the story, like we crossed passed.

You were playing for the Clippers. You will get to your your NBA career, but you played for the Clippers in the nineties and I was a young punk radio reporter in that time period and uh, you know, trying to make it in radio, and I covered you when you were playing with the Clippers, and I always appreciated Derek. You were very kind, you know, as you would admit those teams were not particularly great in that that time

period at the sports Arena. But but looking back at that part of your career, what stands out back in that like the mid nineties kind of that timeline, Oh man, Just opportunity to play at home in front of my family, my friends. Uh, like you said, the sports Arena was not really cracking, like to stay what's sit there is

especially in support of us. So I was able to get about thirty tickets to night and after the family coming there, and it was just a special time for me to be able to uh kind of take off and establish my pro career, making my mark that I can play in the NBA right there in front of my friend family. So it was really cool. It was really cool, and I you know, there's not a lot I remember about going to those games, but I do remember the night that you lit up the Utah Jazz.

I said that the other night when you called into the show. But that was one of those I mean, you just were I mean, I think you made a bunch of foul shots. If I remember when you scored you're right on forty points or something like that against the gym, and that was when they asked John, Yeah, Stockton and Malone. I mean, that was what I had. That was great night, funny stories. I was, well, we're just was on the team and we had been college together.

And after the first quarter, I was feeling pretty good, laughed and turned to it. I said, I'm gonna have thirty whatever, and I went out and had a big night and it was pretty cool, Like it was on the front of my parents, my family, my brothers and sister. That was a really cool experience, something I always cherished. Yeah,

that was that was I remember. And yeah, as somebody that played for the Clippers in the less than ideal period and now they've been the last few years, they've been one of the better teams in the NBA every year there because it odd as just somebody that experienced the Clippers at the Sports Arena, to see that the franchise actually doesn't stink anymore. They're actually good. It's pretty cool for me. It's really is. Uh. You know, I told Clippers have always been seen as the little brother

in l A. And that's understandably. You know, this is the Lakers town and that's cool. But you know, like I said back then, we get text too, even though sometimes they bounced being from Donald Thurling, but we were eight players also, So to see the transition Mr Bomber come in, uh, Doc Rivers there first and then now Tyler. They're really starting to establish a good culture and a place where free agents would like to come. So that's really cool for me to see. I mean, I'm enjoying it.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Yeah. And as an l A guy, I mean from Long Beach or in l A guy you put at U C l A. And I always I get this argument.

You know, all the guys I work with their Laker apologists, and they always like, whatever the Lakers do, they defend and there's room for the Clippers, and every time the Clippers do anything, these people get triggered and they're like they freak out because they're jealous of the any success. It's very annoying. Tonny man, It's it's hilarious. I laughed. You know, my brother and sister gotten me kind of up to date it on social media and how to use it and everything. So I like to go on.

It's like you said, see all the Laker apologists and everything. It's funny. You know, this town is big enough to have the Lakers in the Clippers. I do think the Clippers need to have their own building. Uh kind of developed their own identity, and I I have even tossed around maybe changing the name, just to kind of completely move on from the Donald Starting era. What would you call him? What would you call the Clippers there? What name?

I don't know. I haven't come up with a creative name yet, but I will be if I do, I will definitely submit it. Yeah no, no, it's gonna be like, uh, well, nicknames are a very dicey subject these days. But something we like, I like just like the Hollywood stars or something you can play in Inglewood there they're building that arena in Inglewood. In a few years they gonna have that arena, but uh like something like l A centric

that you know, I will work on it. But anyway, listen, I remember before I forget here, Derek, when you were playing for the clips I was doing. I was a reporter and then I became a talk show host. Around that time, I was doing the Ben and Dave Show and you called in every once in a while. That I remember time we were doing a remote from from a bar and you were driving around and you were so cool. You showed up to hang out with us,

and that was awesome. That was that was You probably even remember that, Derek, but you were no. I do I remember it. I definitely remember when I, like I said, I'm just learning about doing the social media. So when I found out you had a show, I just started to recollect all the things, like coming on your show, going to that remote. I really enjoyed coming on your show, man, that was really cool. So that's kind of why I

reached out to you. Just wanted to say hello and see how you're doing and just say you congratulations on getting happened what you have now, because I remember those days, and I do remember that remote that I came to. We had a good time. Yeah, it was great. We were like shocked. We were like, wait, and an NBA guys showing up to our remote, It's like weird. I mean, I didn't expect that doing the Night Show back then.

But and I got to I mean, Derek, you have had you must have the biggest man cave of all the jerseys. That it's like a Dr. Seuss poem. The places you'll go to peep well, you'll see how many cities have you lived in as a basketball But you've been all over the place. Oh, I've been all over I was explaining to my son all the different teams I've played for. And let's see the Clippers, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto, Vancouver, UH, Sacramento, UH team in Pompey, Italy. I played with the Magic

Johnson Tour teams for in Russia. I've played um for the Globe Riter. So I got a chance to see the world. A huge question just all because of the game of basketball. So how difficult when you're when you're a player, you bounces around. How difficult is it? I mean we see this all the time. Guys get traded and stuff and it's not like totally unique, but you've had to live in all these different cities. You've got to get doctors and all that. How how big a

pain in the assd is that, Derek? When you keep changing cities and you have to you know, find a new location all that. Uh, you know, I've kind of gotten used to it. I kind of got used to it. And we went down for Father's Day, me and my brother, his kids, my son, my sister's kids, and we're all in the hotel and they just loved it. And I said, yeah, I'm Candida live in this hotel. Just fund all his light that they said, Oh, this is great, my son, this is great that we do this all the time. Yeah,

your dad has lived that life. So you know, it's it's fun. I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of enjoyed especially when I got a chance to maybe also to uh go overseas playing Russia, playing in Italy. Uh to see the different cultures and learned from the people in that city. Uh. So it's been fun. You know. I never saw it as a as a burden. I saw it as an opportunity to learn and and see something new. Yeah, and I love to find I didn't realize,

you know, I lost track of a little bit. I didn't realize you had played with the Harlem Globe Trotters. And I was aware of that fun fact when I was a kid, Derek, my parents took me to see the Harlem Globetrotters and it actually helped. I was a little kid. I don't remember how old I was. I was very smart, but I are like falling in love with basketball with all the you know, the trick shots and all that stuff. So when you played with when you play with the Globe tracks, like, what was your

did you have a signature move? Did you have your signature go to thing that you would entertain the fans with. No. So what they had was was a team that would play exhibitions against college teams like Syracuse, Michigan State, and uh UTEP and a few other schools, and then after the game, the real game, then the Globetriters that did

the entertaining would come in. So I played on the team the first team that played the real exhibition games and played against Syracuse Utah and I remember this one game against Michigan State. Shannon Brown was still that was there at the time. And he was supposed to be the defensive stopper and I kind of really got go and have one of those. I end up with thirty eight and doing the course of the game. Michael's uh, Tom millel yo that you can't carry that odd guy.

I said, hey, Loo man, you once you come out here and try to gard me yourself for It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. Mammy Jackson Um did a wonderful job running that organization, and Chad Growth was a part of it also too, So it was definitely a great experience and definitely something I treasure. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I did see the story the other day. I think it was just for publicity. They said the Harlem Globe Trotter said they wanted to be an NBA

expansion team. They wanted to be an expansion You can't be the the Globe Trotters. You can't be in the n Yeah, no, I can't be in it. They would lose their lord. You know, they have a nitch. They should just keep going with that Niche like you said, they don't even know how they affect so many young kids. He's like you said, you fell in love with the game of basketball after going to oh you Globe Trotter at one time. So you know, I think they should just stay in that lane and and and enjoy it

and and just write it out. I agree. So and when I told a friend of mine, I said, you know, Derek called in and he remembered you when you played and stuff, and he said, he said, you gotta ask Derek about the Michael Jordan's story and so so uh so I've been asked, I guess this goes back to your Vancouver days, Derek, and it's a yeah, yeah, I've been. It's been funny. I'm almost in the last six seven months, I've been on tour telling that story. A few people

have asked me. And it's a lot of backdrop to it. There was Michael's out here filming space dams, and of course everybody knows about the tent that they built for in the court and what have you. So he's playing against mostly a lot of Urian players and he wasn't feeling challenge. So he called up Magic and said, hey, you know, you've got any guys that can come down here and play, you know, local NBA guys. So he's Magic called me, said little fill if you take a

group of guys down there. So I said, yeah, okay. So all my guys at that time, we all grew up together, Chris Mills, Tracy Murray, Mitchell Butler. So we go down there to play. So we're waiting to come on and play. Finally it's our game going to seven and at six six, I come down on the wing, act like I'm gonna shoot, and Michael jumps for the a fake and I go by and lay it up and I just commenced to talk, excuse me trash to Michael for about the next minute and a half and

I'm telling him everything, get out of my city. This is l A. You're not the real m J Magic, the real m J. Just get out of here. And everybody's just laughing. They can't believe that the little guys talking bad to Michael even so far, to so much that Chris Mills picked me up on my finger. Uh, Peter dangling. He's saying, d Mark stop stop. Stop. The long story short, Michael comes on like two games later. I was like, there's no way, because it's thirty people

in here. You're supposed to be wait. He's like, this is my im come on what I want. So he ends up being us in next game. And now he follows me around the next minute and a half just talking trash to me. So that's the backdrop going into that year. And so he called Magic is like, man, who's this little guy you must be talking about? Mark? Yeah, DMR talk trash talks. So Michael I kind of, you know, broke a little bit of a friendship. So fast forwards

and now we're playing in Vancouver. That's a thirteen game, uh road trip for them. You know, most back then in the NBA, when you get to that last game, you're just kind of trying to get home. Vancouver was the last game on the schedule on that trip. So I came down. It was about two minutes ago. I made a lay up and got an N one walk by the bench. I told you would beat me to night in so many words, and so Phil looked out

heading like, all right, what you want to do. So Michael had untied issues, you know, kind of put the towel on his head and was kind of just you know, giving up for the night. So he tied his shoes back up, takes the towel off, checks in, and he comes stands next to me at the foul line. I got a pretty good picture of it. And he says, I told you about talking trash, and I still looked up to the the collection. Man, you're not beating me to night, buddy.

So anyone's go ahead next like ten, he having points to beat us down the stretch and Yrus Scott was guard and he was so mad at me walking ahead a lot. If you're going to truck trash, at least starting a guy, I said, lust here right. So it was a funny thing. So afterwards they told the ball He sent the ball boys over to get me. So we just kind of sat down and talk. He's like, man, you don't ever stop. I said, you put your pants one at the time, just like me. So I'm gonna

compete and do the same thing. So he laughs that I like that. I like that, So that's good that. It was pretty cool. So we could. You know, we got a little bit of a friendship. When we see each other, we laugh and talk about it. Oh that's great. Yeah, And I saw I did see a clip and he was like he was he he had his like he was sitting on the bench. He had a towel on Jordan like he was out of the game, and then he because if you he came back, and that's a

that's a great were you are? You were one of the few that played for the Vancouver version of the Grizzlies. Also, Derek, I mean that you played for both You played for both Canadian teams. You're one of the few, right. I didn't realize that. My brother was telling me the other day. He's like, you realizing one of the only guys let's played for both Canadian teams teams, And I was like, oh wow, I didn't know that. What was it like? Now? A lot of like younger people probably don't even remember

the Vancouver Grizzlies. It's been so long, But like, what was it like playing basketball in Vancouver? The team has been been in Memphis for many years now. It's it was amazing that Vancouver is a very underrated city. It's beautiful up there. The people are nice, they got great food. I think the team, the league just they didn't wait it out long enough. You know, basketball was new to that region and so fans were just starting to understand the game. But they loved it. They supported the team.

They came out and cheered and it was a good city for them to move the team from Vancouver to Memphis. I think it's really I don't know if you you know, like Memphis barbecue and I think it's okay, But it was nothing to like the food, uh and Vancouver and just the whole atmosphere. Vancouver was so relaxed and really cool. I really enjoyed it. You know, I almost wish I could have played half of my career there because that's how much I enjoyed the city and how much I

enjoyed the fans and the people up there. They really supported the team. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show week days at two am Eastern eleven p m Pacific. Hey, I'm John Middlecoff and I host the Three and Out podcast. Do you like football? Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well, I talked about it all on the show. I used to work for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that

goes on the NFL. And you know, we're talking college football because of how important the draft is year round. Listen to the three and out podcast with me John Middlecom on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, and they loved you in Toronto too, right, even though I mean you're you're a backup guy in the Raptors, but they seem to embrace you in Toronto. Also, Yeah, I really I enjoyed that.

It's funny because now now I walked into the locker room and I was used to be in the baby or the middle of the road guy. I walked into the Toronto locker room and all of a sudden, I'm an old guy. Really quick, I'm like, whoa, everybody in here is twenty two. I'm like thirty something, right, So it was it was pretty cool because now my role kind of switched from maybe every day player, every game player to sort of a backup and a mentor. And

it was really cool cool. You know, developed a really good relationship with Chris Humphries, with Jose Calderon, Chris Boss, Anthony Parker to the point where we all still talked to this day and check on each other. So it was a really good time. And I had a chance to play for Sam Mitchell, who I played with my rookie year in Minnesota. So things kind of went full circle and that was pretty cool. The circle of life.

How weird is it? By the way, Deck, I mean, we were around the same age, and like, I don't even it's hard to be like, I've become the old guy in radio and stuff, and it's odd to me. It's bizarre. I don't I don't feel that old. I mean, I'm sure you don't feel real. It's just it's a weird thing. All of a sudden, you wake up and you're like, wait a minute, Like twenty five years of my career has gone by. It's pretty wild. And yeah, I'm betting you're like, well, wait a minute, what's happened here?

You know? And I got one day and I got a little bit of a belly. I'm like, man, where did this come from? It's like overnight, this thing is changed. I'm enjoying it, Like I said, I'm enjoying the business with Mitchell father, myself, Legacy West dot com. I'm enjoying. It's been a lot of time with my son teaching him. Like I said, he's playing baseball and basketball, so I might also have a first base uh going up here? Pretty soon. So it's been fun. It's been fun. I've

been enjoying things right now. Now, your son's a little guy. Does he have the does he have the love of sports or have you kept him off the video games yet? Derek? Have you've been able to keep him off the video games? He does like a few video games right now. His thing is the wrestling. He loves wrestling, the w W E that He's got a lot of Uh, guys and every now and then we'll play basketball or football, but uh, definitely into the sports. He enjoys it. He has a

hitting coach that he goes to once a week. Uh. He's really embraced basketball and he has a lot of fun with it. Uh. It's really good. And sometimes I get emotional just watch him because he's Derek Jr. So to see Derek Jr. Just start to embrace the love of sports is really cool. Well, and you know, if he loves wrestling, he could become a professional wrestler. There was a guy, Derek, you know that listened to my

show back. He used to send me emails back in the day, and he was going to wrestling school in Florida. They have a place in Tampa and he he became the wrestler known as uh Russef. Now he's he goes by the name Mero, but he was at one point he was a big deal in the in the w W. He had like a tenure career under the ring name Rusef there and then he's you know, we played we use him on the game. I have to tell much T when I get off. Yeah, yeah, and w W game Russ is on there and we play with that.

By the way, and this will also impress your your son. That the reason I became friends with the wrestler Russef who's now Miro is he's a Clipper guy. He likes the Clippers, and yeah, yeah, he's actually he's he spent some time in southern California. I think I know he was living in Florida listening to the show because it's syndicated, but he he did. He likes the Clippers. So we were bo So yeah, so he probably knows who you are and probably watched you play back back when you

were playing for the team back in the day. Okay, yeah, definitely if you ever talked to you again, definitely he's got love for us. Absolutely, no, absolutely, I will all right, So I want to now let's get into meat and potatoes basketball deck. So you reached out to me. You know, I do these crazy monologues in the middle of the night, screaming and shouting and all that stuff about basketball and what's going on. But you played in the Golden Age

for many in the nineteen nineties. Back against you mentioned your your friendship with Michael Jordan, and you played against John Stockton, and you know, the great teams of that era. What is the biggest difference. You watch the NBA today and you're you're you're teaching beast, But when you watch the NBA today and the way it's played the way it was in the night, what is the biggest thing

that stands out to you? And I'm gonna say this, and I'm sure people would take it the wrong way, but what the first word that comes to my mind is soft. It's kid, It's kind of soft and and that's okay. Um, explain why because now they have uh, the scoring is up. Everybody likes scoring. So the league was really good about trying to create what they call freedom of motion. Freedom of movement so it's less physical and the scores are going up. I enjoyed. I would

love to play in this this area. The pick and roll are Oh my goodness, if I could play pick and roll uh every time down the floor. The taste of space right now. But the biggest difference I think is just not it's not as physical as when I played. What they go to the monitor now to review as a flavor and one flavorant to was just a normal foul by tars locally or Buck Williams or Xavier McDaniel or sabonus And when I first got in the league. So uh, it's just less physical. Yeah, and they they

have to review everything there. It's see, I like to watch these games, but why do they have to review everything? You don't have to write, you can play. You played the game there. They did not review every single I mean they didn't even have that at the beginning there, and everything's reviewed. It's insane. Why absolutely it is. And and the other thing that I think the league's amasically just tickened up on it. I don't know how you do it. I know they did have a fine and

place for it, but you gotta watch the flopping. It's getting out of hand. It really, it's kind of getting out of hand and it's almost uh, it's very funny sometimes how different players can bait the reps n calls and there's really no contact there at all. Well, even the other night in the final, I Devin Booker, who had a great game, and he he it's like they had an anviled dropped on his head and they went to the replay and he wasn't even like really touched.

It was. It was wild, man. I mean, it happens all the time, absolutely, yeah. Uh. And then when you get to the point where there actually is a foul, you know, so then it's kind of hard to decide between the two. So they they have to find a way to kind of tighten up on that a little bit. Now. You also there, I must bring up you got you know,

I was praising Patrick Beverley. I was praising him with the with the clips and the way that he was playing against the Sun. You though, you were taking a different position on Patrick Beverley when I was praising him for the way he was playing in the in this series against Feast. What was your your opinion? Give me your your high take here. I think my high tech is you really have to watch how he plays. I think he does play dirty at times. I mean, you

can just listen to what Russell Westbrook has said. He's hurt him. I don't think the head but the head but of Devin book another day was unintentional. I think it was incinal. The found that he made on Chris Paul coming off the screen where his legs were Chris Paul's elevated in the air and he could have landed on his wrist or his neck or anything like that. Those are not basketball plays. And I think he makes too many of the non basketball plays, uh to be

considered playing defense. You know, that's not defense. And I played against the Doug Christie, the Derek Harper's, the Gary Payton, the guys that were called so called defenders, and they never made defensive plays like that that that he does, uh trying to make it still or make a play where he undercut a guy or heard a guy's knee and now he's outspore a period of time. Uh. You know, I just think that's unnecessary. So I'm not necessarily a big fan of his the way he plays. Uh, they're

just they're just not my style. That's not my thing. Well, Derek, though, you have to admit though, he's found a niche, right, he's got he's got his niche. People know who he is, and he's been kind of like a backup guy most of his his career. But yeah, and that and that's what he is. And uh as you can see. And I think in the theories before the Senis one, the Dallas one, Tyler couldn't play him because his skill set

didn't fit what was going on. And it's just he's not a typical guard in my opinion of the card that we played against in the nineties. You know that most of the point guards, you have to be able to run a team. You have to be able to orchestrate, be an extension of the coach, make a play for yourself and also make playce for your teammates. And I don't see him doing that. Yeah, so let's go back to that when you were playing against those guys in

the nineties, like John. I've heard stories about John Stockton and like what he was like to go against and kind of he didn't seem like he was I don't know if dirty is the right word, but he was always in your business. Shall we say any any recollection back in those days, any John Stockton thing that pops up in your head there when you thought, think, oh, yeah, he was physical. He was I wouldn't say dirty, but he was physical with you. He had bumped you, shoot

you an elbow, you know. He was uh. He would get into your grill and and try to frustrate you in a different way than what Patrick Proppli does. It was more of a competitor, you know, just if we're on the on the streets of Compton or l A. This is how we play, you know. And and John was physical and and I loved it. It It brought the best out of me. Having a chance to play against

John Stockings And a funny story. I got a chance to coach his son, David when I was the head coach Renal Big Horns, and he and I would sitting around and just talk about the different games I played against your dad. And then John started coming to our game, so I got a chance to kind of sit down and just talk to him other than competing against him. And it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. And I told him he always brought the best out of me and I always wanted h He said, Hey, I

knew playing against you. I couldn't have stuff, So it was it was a good little give and take. That's pretty that's pretty cool. And you're still you're still kind of coaching, right because you're doing the basketball. You've got the thing you're doing right now. But when you were coaching in the in the is it was it the G League then or the D League? What was it called at the time, it was it was a D League, I was. It was just it was a couple of

years a couple of years ago. Yeah, So, like, what was it like coaching in the in the G League? They're like, well, you had obviously been an assistant before and stuff, but when you're the head coach and and all that, what was what was that like for you?

It was really good. I enjoyed it immensely because the role that those guys were taking the same role that I took to get into the NBA, you know, playing on Magic's All Star team, playing in the cb A, grinding it out, so I understand what they were feeling emotionally, what they were going through, so I could relate to them. I could have to sit down and have conversations with him and kind of keep them positive all the time

and keep them focused on the right path. And it was really cool to be in that kind of grind with him. I really enjoyed it. Uh. It was a lot of fun I got to teach. I had a good assistant in Rico heinz Um who was doing great things right now with Sacramento and the development with the players up there. So it was it was a huge, dude blessing to be a head coach of the Renal Big Horns and a lot of fun. You got to help some guys further their dreams. I got Marcus Williams.

I don't know if you guys remember played at U com playing in the league for a little bit. I got him sort I had to tell end of his career and kind of got him playing at a level that he could finish his career just enjoying and and happy. And we won two division titles when I was coaching, and we got to the playoffs, end up losing in the in the second round. But it was a lot of fun. Definitely a lot of fun. Awesome, Derek. I

I know I've kept you for a while here. I think I've gone over a lot of times, but I appreciate seriously and uh, continued success and I have fun memories of interacting with you back in the day. And uh, I'm excited that you've reached out and call any time. And you know we're on late at night, so if you can't sleep, if you've got insomnia, uh, we'll be there and uh and I'll shoot you a message. I appreciate it. Thanks for doing this thing. Oh definitely, absolutely.

You know I'm usually up in in the evening just relaxing, having a bottle of a nice Chianti or Barolo. So definitely I'll shoot you a check your call. Awesome, thank you there, I appreciate it. Okay, thanks Mann