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he looks like. But let's get to it. So I'm excited we have one of our teammates, so our Fox Sports Radio teammates. You hear him on the weekends and contributing to shows calling in during the week Katino Mobley a long career in the NBA, mostly with the Rockets and the Clippers, and as as you know, I'm a Clipper apologist, and he was part of a very important era in Clipper basketball when they finally won a playoff series. The Clippers moved from Buffalo to San Diego and came

the Clippers in the late nineteen seventies. And after that they had to walk around while they were playing with paper bags on their head. They were so terrible. They hadn't won a playoff series. And then, uh, it wasn't until Coatino Mobley arrived as a big free agent signing and joined forces with a couple of other guys that the Clippers had. In the O six playoffs, they beat Carmelo Anthony and the Denver Nuggets and that was the first time the franchise had ever won a playoffs. There's

now the Clippers are one of the top teams. So I gotta I gotta ask Aatino about that. But they had been in California for like twenty five years, over twenty five years, and they had never won a playoff series. But it listens big time. NBA is back and all the worlds are converging as far as activism in sports. Uh, but we welcome in now Coatino Mobley to the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and David Guescon So Cotino, why don't we start with this? Sports are back, the NBA

is back, but the pandemic is still going on. So how does this change the for you? Um? I think what it does is it changes your mindset. Right. You know you're not really focused on one thing. You have other distractions, whether it's basketball, baseball, right, different sports or different things that you're doing. Um, this second surge has put people back in the bubble right as far as

like their own house and can't really do much. But at least you have, you know, some sports and other things to take your mind off of like concentrating on one thing, right, because sometimes when you you know, uh, it's it's it's like it's like the little kid in the room where it's dark. Right, if you keep staring at something, your your imagination, your mind is going to

go crazy. Uh and and hopefully luckily we have sports now back so your mind doesn't go crazy sitting around not focus or anything, but all this so crazy stuff that's going on besides sports. Well, and then I mean continue the obvious follow up question would either you know, I get email from from guys that are very upset because it's like all of all of boards people do that. You're right, people tune in to kind of get their

mind off stuff. And then a lot of these leagues are now including the NBA which is back now this weekend, are fully embracing the the activism while playing. Is how's this gonna go over? Continue? Are you played in the league for a long time in the NBA, I think this will this will work. And what kind of blowback is the NBA facing. Well, I don't think it's no blowback at all. I mean, listen, if you ended the day, uh, if you if you don't talk, if you if you

don't use your platform, when do you use it? Right, You've got to use it when people are sitting there glued in. So it doesn't mean they always told us when we were younger. You know, if you go out of ten kids you know, maybe one or two of them, you can change their lives. So it's not saying that because you pay Black Lives Matter on the on the ground, or because it's just peaceful protesting or whatever it is,

that everybody's going to change right away. That's not how it works, right, But you still have to make it a point, right, You have to you have to make it a point. You have to keep it in there. The ears of you. You hear about all these different types of struggles, whether it's uh, you know, black and brown people or Jewish people back when it's the Holocaust. You you constantly keep hearing all of those different things. And when it does is a build awareness. And that's

what I think we need to have. It's to be able to build awareness because I think we can multitask as as a society and say, you know what, we can have fun, and while we're having fun, we have to stay aware that these things are happening. So once I'm finished having fun, let me go to this part and say, let me help a friend of mine that's um Jewish struggle, or help a friend of mine that's black and brown that's struggle. To help a friend of

mine that's you know whatever that's struggling. Like I think we can all do that, but you know, I don't think. Uh, you know, not putting those things out there is helping either, because you know, out of sight, out of mind. And that's the big problem when it comes to the the systematic racism and all these different things like, oh, that's enough, racism was back slaving way back. That's not always true, right, two things can be true. It was slavery was before,

but it's still racism. It's still these different things. It's still all these things that are going on if we just ignore them. Right, we sit in our households and uh, it's uncomfortable for the parents to explain. How do you get it through? You have to always say this in life, You've got to put yourself in an uncomfortable position in the beginning, so later on, when things are uncomfortable, you

are comfortable. You have to understand things in life. It's not just because I'm Italian, or because I'm black, or because I'm right, because I'm agent. That's some thing I told focus on. You should focus on humanity as a whole and try to, you know, put profession on those who don't want us to be together. Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two a m. Eastern eleven pm pas Effect on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Well, and

it isn't I can really understand that. But I get email all the time from from people you know that are saying their forties or fifties or whatever that love sports and grew up. And I think we can all agree that sports has really tried to on the court or on the field, stayed away from that and tried to be a uniting place. And there's people now that are like, hey, I'm I'm not gonna watch and I'm out of it, and and so what what would you

tell the people listening to this podcast that? And we have many of them continue They're like, hey, I love sports, but I can't watch if they politicize sports. What do you say to that person? I mean teachers, all, uh, I don't. I don't know what to tell you. Right, If listening to those types of people, what are you doing when you're not watching the sports? Are you finding for great causes for women rights that you do for this?

For that? Are you doing those type of things because of the they're sitting, you're saying, I just want to watch sports. Cool, watch the sports. Right. It's it's not like when Lebron James shooting the three that they're saying black lives matter after shoot the three, Like, let's not get this twisted, right, Like because they maybe meal or on together in the very beginning of a game back there, then the game starts baseball, basketball, whatever, and when football

comes whatever. But to say you don't want to see that, I think that's just that's it's defensitizing, right, It's insensitive as a person, right, I just don't Again, each his own, They could be whoever they want. I would love to do evaluation on them about their lives and how they they you know, how they run their lives. Uh, it doesn't matter to me. They're not paying my mortgage or I'm not paying there, so they can they can say

and do what they feel like doing. But I don't think it's a right thing for humanity, right, a right thing for humanity. So that's just my opinion. I mean, people have different opinions on it, and you know there are the views say, you know it sports people too, and they don't want all that they just want to watch the game and all that. Man. My advice Katino had been like, if you don't like that, they just tune in right when the game starts. Then you don't

have to see it because most of the show's gonna happen. Yeah, it's gonna happen before the game two hours. You might get five minutes or something. So you focused on the five minutes, you could tell about their mindsets. If you're focused on five minutes opposed to two hours of basketball. Okay, yeah, I'm right, I'm right there. I mean listen as far as the what I'm gonna do, I don't know. You know, tune in right when the game starts and uh and you know you played in the NBA. The NBA isn't

really doesn't. Games don't really get going until the game progresses, right the early parts kind of a feeling out process usually, and then you kinda then you kind of get going on that as well. Uh now, now what about this just the bubble concept, Coatino is we'll talk about the actual basketball part of I guess in the in the bubble, which doesn't sound that bad. I've looked at some of the videos and some of the images and it seems like it's a pretty good it's a Mickey Mouse resort

there in Orlando. These guys are not exactly roughing at Gatino. No, these guys have taken ride there and you know, listen, there's no there's no waiting in the line to get on rides. I know that much. You know, guys are hanging out, having fun to comaraderie. It's kind of like a you camp, you know, five Star Nike camp, you know, all these different types of camp, but you just secluded right and the televised so you know where. We've been used to this since we were little kids, being confined

within our own little group and playing blah blah blah blah. Listen. It won't last forever but for right now, and that's what it is, and we just have to deal with it. Continue jumping in here on this. I guess the one question to have with regards to the bubble is this is if you are if you're talking to some of these college prospects that either had limited time or their

seasons were wiped out. Obviously the n C Double A tournaments canceled this year, what advice do you give them if they're thinking about you know, foregoing an extra year going to the G League or potentially getting drafted next year, do you tell them to sit out? Because obviously we don't have a vaccine yet, wenna have a cure yet.

So like, what would you tell someone that's on the outen up that could be potentially a freshman or just a sophomore at a at A Kentucky or a San Diego State or us A. Like, what kind of advice do you give them given the fact these circumstances still we have no end in sight yet. Well, listen, there's there's nothing more serious. See again, some people may think I'm insensitive when I speak about this at the moment, but I'm a I'm a proven in fact of I came into an NBA uh and my first physical it

was adoptining Anthony Specifical. He was a cardiologist, one of the best in the world. He was in Houston, and in Houston Rockets had him um as a retainer or whatever you want to call it. Um and um. You know, there was of misreading in my heart. It was you know, athletes heart, it was you know, it was you could die. This is a little strange. What's going on? I monitor you, I believe in you. How do you feel you're asymptomatic? Okay,

you don't let you play. He could have said, you know what, I'm so scared you can't play, but I'm giving a decision to yourself. How do you feel do you trust yourself? I said yes. From then on them were really close. And do you know Contino movie through this day right now? Because of that. So I say that to say, you just gotta trust yourself, take your vitamins, exercise your zinc, your waters, try to be as disciplined as you can as an individual. But don't live in fear.

I don't think that's a good thing, right, And don't overthink When you do something, commit to it and there's trust the process and thens live with the results. That's it. So on that note, then would you would you recommend these young prospects to stay in college an extra year or do you feel like taking that jump and even if you're not getting drafted, like going to the G League right away? Do you feel that's an adequate approach

compared to staying in college ball? Now? I don't. I know they will have the opportunity to go to find but I think college is a great situation and a great experience for a lot of the young kids, right, Like, don't rush so much to be a grown up. It's not the coolest thing in the world. Right, So if you could stay in college and have fun and then

grow as a human beings, then do that. But to go out there and and and try to fight for and do something as far as going to the league in NBA, it's only four and eight seven something NBA players in the world, right and then G League is a certain level. Like I don't to each his own, I don't know everybody else's pockets. I don't know how their family's structure is and whether they need money, and this little bit of money can help for right now, I have no clue, But what I say is for

you know, just whatever you choose that follow through. You know what I've learned, especially my son, of my old son right now, a lot of his age back from like that twenty something years old down. If something doesn't work, they quit that team, then they're going to go to another team, and there that coach is not cool. He's not playing me in the parents of this last and then they go to another team. It's just like too much, quitting too much. Um, this is not perfect. I need

to go somewhere else. That's not how I was raised. You fight through these different things right to figure out understand your character faster in a younger age. So you want to go through all these bumps and bruises the older you get. So you know that's just my Why do you think kids are giving up so much these days? But I have options? Right, everybody wants to sugarcoat and

everybody deserves the trophy. Uh, mom wants to step in, the dad wants to say that, you know, my kid needs to play, and it's that whatever and all this nepotism, and you know this kid's father is this or you know I need to go do this, and you know I can play you over here. You don't want to play over there. It's not helping build character, a strong character. So you know, Michael Jordan's for a rookie years joining

it is safe for your options. So if you've got a whole bunch of options, then of course you're gonna just right. If I only got one pair of brown shoes to wear for my suit, I'm not gonna sit here and be staring at my class for five and two minutes. So I figure out, we'll kind of shoot them where I'm gonna wear the brown peer. That's it. But if I got five or six different brown peer, not a figure out. Okay, that was with a tassel.

That's just a slip on. This is a tie. This is cutting this too much, too much, especially a young age trying to make a decision, critical thinking, it's just too much. Yeah, I'm right there, and this time we're around the same age, Contino. I think we might be the same age. So I was raised similarly. Hey, when you have adversity had overcoming? More importantly, though, we heard was that was that a phone? Or it seemed like maybe a pet was behind you or something. We're like

a clicking sound. Was there any ambient noise behind you that you noticed, Contino? Is there an animal there or some kind of odd thing in the room? No? No, no, ok, alright, my dogs, but there's there's literally laying down sleeping. Yeah, I heard, I heard the noise that it might have been something. But all right. Nonetheless, so you mentioned earlier your your heart condition and that eventually led to your NBA career ending. I believe. How how is that going

for you. How how has that changed? Has it changed your life dramatically just living day to day? Is it? Are you past that now? And and how's give us the update on that. Well, it was a misdiagnosis, but it did change my I guess you know, you gotta think about it was my ninth year, uh, because I was at twelve thousand points in nine years, I was one of the top of my class as far as points, rebounds, assists, everything.

So you know Paul Pierce and those a lot of those guys, you know, they got to play another ten eleven years or whatever it is. And a couple of guys, you know one you know, championships, Dusan Whisky and you know Page ship Acumage went over there, and you know Jason Kidd, and you know, I missed those opportunities. So as far as changing my my history at basketball, that

changed that because I could have done more. But as far as my life, like it was a misdiagnosis so far of my life, I still work out, I still play, I still do everything normal. So be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show week days at two am Eastern Pacific. There you go, let's go. So they got it wrong, all right, And and now you were on that Clipper team. You were there kind of in a transition when the Clippers went from terrible to

to a good team. That that Elton brain. No, no, no, you wasn't name transition when I got there, named Sanpatha and I put us in the playoffs. That's it. So I I changed it. Well, the transition part, I wasn't. I wasn't near what they was losing. So you were not you were not in that I thought you The first was the first year was the first year wasn't bad? They were good right away? Okay, so they were good

right away. My year when I first got there, when I signed what I came from Houston to Sacramento and then I signed a free agent with the Clippers was oh five oh six. And that's when we went to the playoffs, that's true. And that was the team that beat the Nuggets in the in the play That was the first first. That was the first time the Clippers had ever won a playoff series. Uh uh, that was why. And now, now, Katino, when you look at the Clippers before you got there, they had kind of a stigment.

You were responsible for them turning it around in that period, and now now they're now they're one of the favorite How weird is it to see the Clippers who were the the laughing stock for so long when you first got into the league, and now they're considered one of the top teams. It's it's an odd juxtaposition from where they had been. Do you have some pride in that as a guy that was there when they started becoming a good sure? No, for sure, I definitely have pride

in it. Um. There was friends that guys who ever looked up to me or was my peers at that time, uh that said, you know what, this is pretty cool. I mean we are in l A and we can be able to fight and have fun and blah blah blah and compete. Uh and and and that for me, it uh yeah, that makes me feel a lot better because now it's the It's the cool thing to do now is to go play for the Clippers. So you know, I took that chance being a top three agent back in oh five or six, Um, and I trusted in

my up, my ability. I trusted that up in brand and court macgetty, I can help them, and uh, you know, and uh you know when I had sand Fazel, one of my close friends come with me. You know, it was just from from the older. It's just what it is now. I was out covering. I covered the Clippers, and I started at the sports arena, the mausoleum there and then the transition to Staples Center. But I know everyone always had stories about Donald Sterling, the now infamous owner.

You played, you played when he owned the team. I I I had heard stories from guys, you know, weird stuff. Did anything odd happen when you were playing while Sterling on the team? Is there anything you can share with us that you recall That was kind of like, wait a minute, what's going on with this guy? Yeah? You know what I wished I could, but that was he's never done anything wrong, bad or anything to me strange. So anything to me strange. So for me, you know,

I don't even have a story. He was really nice all the time. Um, you know, so I can't. I can't really make up a story on something that she like, there's there's people have other experiences, whether it's landlord or tickets that can give people and blah blah. I've never experienced anything back. Okay, all right, well let's go because I've heard some some crazy stuff and I don't know how much of that's embellished and how much of that is just based in in reality uh and all that.

So uh as far as the clips in general, you know, because you're one of your former teams, they're I feel like they're built for the bubble. Having Kauai, you know some of these guys you know from playing in the in the league that some players really feed off the crowd and need that to energize them, like I don't. Kauai is one of those guys. So, uh, you know our player is gonna be exposed here. Did you know the guys that need the crowd to fire them up? I would think that would be the case. How do

you think this is gonna go down? Well? No, I mean we listen, we don't use crowds. And summertime, we're working out and we're in our you know, we're in our zones, we're in ours old so uh, the crowd would be great. Well, we you know, we work in a lab by ourselves. Anyway, we don't have a crowd, so you know, um, when that time comes for the crowd.

Did it happened? But right now we're used to playing in uh secluded Jim's continue when you look at it and how that things are broken down right now to Obviously everyone's making a big deal of the Clippers, the Lakers, and Ben's a huge Clipper apologist, but out of the Eastern Conference with Milwaukee have given the fact that had so much time off, would you be surprised if they didn't get there? No, I wouldn't be surprised. Best love

of rhythm sport. And at the moment it's it's it's weird because of the pandemic and then shut down and then back and before this all happened, those guys wasn't It wasn't a consistency of all the guys on the floor at the same time. So, I mean, but just because you have I mean, let's in Portland, trouble is in early two Thousand's had a monster team. Things happen. Sacramento Kings had a monster team. Things happens because you have the best talent and the best guy. That doesn't

mean it's still a unit. So someone has to suffer. It's just that's what it is. But they have the pieces to win the championship. So you know, we just have to see how how fast they gelled together. And it's it's not just about the talent, man, it's it's group. There's a lot of luck that goes involved in a lot of stuff. So I guess, anybody at the Eastern Conference, is there anyone that you like in particular where to go?

Milwaukee to start, and then potentially Boston and maybe Toronto, Like, is there a pecking order in the East that you you feel more inclined to go with as opposed to another yob you hit it on the head, right, there's the Milwaukee's, there's the Boston's, this Toronto, there's Miami heat. You know, there's a Sixers And that's what idea of the top five right there there there the five horsemen.

So you know, again, like I said before, if that ball don't bounce in on Kawhi Leonard, the Sixers of being the Eastern Conference finals, right, So I don't I don't know Toronto, you know, I just it's all the guessing games and in the playoffs it's it's matchups. So it's not like Toronto dominated the Sixers. They won with you know, two, one, two three for a bounce ball in Boom series is going right like it's not like a you know, it's not a domination, so it can

go either way. Speaking of guessing, for the life of me, I just can't understand the love affair with being in New York with the Knicks and Tom Thibodeau has now agreed to jump on board for five years. Does he fix this organization or they need to complete overhaul, new ownership and everything shopped from the top down. I think they need a new ownership. But he an amazing coach. He was my coach in two thousand and four with

the Rockets, So I think they need new ownership. Uh, or give him the keys to run everything and Bland just hides in a you know where bear sleep at but uh, you know what I mean, So I don't again, I I'm not a fan of Dolan because he's one of the reasons, um while I wasn't playing. But you know, as far as the organization, you don't have that many great players and you know, you guys can't get it, can't get it together. Be sure to catch live editions

of The Ben Maller Show weekdays at two am Eastern Pacife. Well, and continue, I'll go back to the to the bubble thing, and the popular opinion has been in the NBA, the hardest thing about the NBA Playoffs are actually related. It's the it's the travel, and then as it relates as it relates to that, it's the home court advantage and having to go on the road and and win in

a a game late in the series. So with no home court advantage and no travel other than from your hotel room to the arena in Orlando, how much does this change the variables in the NBA playoffs this year? Is it now truly a level playing field for everyone? Even the bad teams have have more of a chance now because of the setup. Yeah, well, you know what it's called. I think it favors the veterans, truthfully, more mentally, mentally, truthfully more um, it would favor the veterans more rest,

you know, and things like that. So you know, I don't again, it's it's it's a very tricky situation where you're dealing with this, because that can concentrate a lot more than the younger guys. Younger guy needs more stimulation unless you're you know, young Kobe Bryant where you never went out and these guys are not like that, you know, or taking care of your body rest in the right way. Even if you're in the room and you're hanging out on the on the bubble, doesn't mean you're really getting

the proper rest that you should write. Some people just go crazy. They can't sleep, They need to go out, they need to do this, you know, lou Williams of the world needs to go get some chicken wings, you know what I mean. Like, some people just do stuff like that. So yeah, you know, I would give the apprehensive e vets because they understand it more and they you know that that window is closing, so they want

to take the full advantage. Yeah, and then continue I would ask you about the officiating because they has always

been this great debate about, you know, NBA officiating. The star players get the calls and all that, but there's also and I've I've read studies on this over the years, that the officials feed off the crowd that oftentimes home court advantage or home field advantage, a lot of it is the officials kind of sighting if it's a fifty fifty call with the home crowd and again, I go back to what I said there there is no home crowd.

There's no crowd at these games in Orlando. Do you think this is gonna change the way games are officiated in the NBA? How do you think that's gonna go down? That's a good question. I know I think. Um, when you're looking at the teams now, players now, referees now, they're a little younger, it's a different mindset. When I was younger, the referees honored hustle. Right, if you're working hard. If you're not working hard, then you know it, Rochelle. Nowadays,

I don't. I don't really know that the nature of these referees um. And I'm not saying anything bad about them. I just don't, you know, not anything right, I will it change it because the fans, uh will influence it? Maybe right? It may be, but you gotta think about it. The referees are human, so they have favorites, regardless to They think they're neutral, that I'm neutral and I'm I'm

not for anybody. That's not true. That's not true. They have fans, they have they're fan themselves, right, So you're you're referee, but you don't like basketball of course you're like, well, what do you like about basketball? I like the players? Okay, what players are you like? They can't tell you that because of the conflict of interest, but they have their favorites, right, That's just what it is like. You can't say you don't like something but you're involved in it. That just

doesn't make sense. Well, exactly mean people, Yeah, people are buying whatever I mean because of how you grow up or whatever and the people around you. That obviously sets the tone. When you were playing though back in the day, did you guys have conversations in the locker room about about this topic? Did this come up in the locker room? You're talking about the officials and going into a game

what you thought mine or might not happen. Yeah, you know, it was referees that you stay away from, and then there was there was re freeon that you stay away from the Joe Proffers of the world, right because he's not having it, you know, Holland to Holland's you know, he's just certain. But then you had to dig Prevetas and you know, all those guys like that were amazing

and beautiful. But again, it's just it's just knowing the referees personalities and respecting them and they respect you did anyone when when you were you played in your career. I imagine Tim donnighe the the infamous official. Uh, he probably officiated some of your games somewhere along the way there. Did you have any evening, any inkling that something might be going on in the game you played in that Donnie, he was the official, Katina, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

I truthfully, I was so engaged in the game and I'll try my best time to keep you take them personal, you know, but I didn't even think anything. I mean, if I go back now and see questionable calls, you can do that and just you know, go crazy. But it is what it is that happens. Yeah, and uh, you know, I I've actually wanted I want to ask you. But you played on the Rockets when you came into the league, right, I believe you were on the team with Barkley and Pippen right in that in that time frame.

I believe that to be correct. So yeah, I was Barkley, pip Yeah, I mean legend legends, legends of the game, and that team had such high expectations. Why why didn't that dynamic work of team right, and it's not what do you mean, no, but but but he's nine hundred pounds, he's forty something we're talking about. Well, no, but there, but the media had built up I remember the media is all it doesn't that doesn't matter what the media said. STI Piper was still in his his bag where he

could have contributed. He went the next year to Portland's. Those guys did well, but they had too many players. You need about eight to nine guys. They had too many players, so that's probably why they did. It worked well. But Scotty was a real form. It was just that you know, at that point in time. Do you think about it's not like the offenses now, those guys are clogging to paint right, one guy's on one side, the other guys on the other side. There, well, you have

old superstars. Is very hard to play with, very hard because they think they can do the same things they were doing way back in the day. That's how it works, Katina. Do you think the game obviously it's drastically different from those years, But do you think the game is better now than it ever has been before? No? No, I don't you're taking away too many different things in basketball, the mid range, the post ups, right, aggressiveness, taking me

too many things. I don't think it's better than it was. No, Is that because you know the Steph Curry effect and what he did at Davidson? Or do you feel like the game from college has just gotten away from the fundamentals and now everything is perimeter shooting from now on? Well? No, I mean you have these M I. T. Guys that's never played basketball in life that come with these statistics.

You know, it's crazy stuff. You know, they can't even get two points in the gym by themselves, but yet the set they want to pull up and everybody is all about these different types of status and its cycle. You know. Again, I have my I have my own beliefs about that, but I think basketball, you know, you should be scoring from all different levels, and a lot of the players don't do that. Fox Sports Radio has

the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. Yeah, when you you played with the Lija, when he said he was at the end of his he is there is there a place for a guy like Elijah One now? And as you said, the NBA game has seen so much that they don't want they would want Elijah One shooting three pointers now right if he was playing in the NBA. It's it's it's odd.

This era is so much different. But do you think a guy like Elijah One could have made it even with all this jump shooting and just stand outside and a couple of passes three point shot? Could he have made it in this type of basketball? For a fact? I mean he was agile, he was fast, and you know, he had moves. I mean he was amazing. He was amazing, especially in his his his other years. Did he teach you any of those moves? I know he was obviously a big guy. But the dream shake, right, that was

his favorite. I got my post up from him. Are you taking? You always just say, oh, you need a little bit of separation, and it works every single time. Is he that you played with a lot of different stars in the end, it was he the biggest guy that you I guess it was Barkley pipping you said they were at the end of their career in Elijah, But was Elijah Wan the biggest name, like the guy that you respected the most, that you played with. Who

was the biggest star? No, Scotti, Tipper was tipping? Yeah, what was he? Were you a fan of the Bulls in the in the nineties? Oh yeah, I love Scott was my favorite and it's just so happy. And I had his wallet, his his twitcher on my wallet before I got to the pros. And then I get drafted to Houston. But he was my teammate every single day I'm with him, and then I retired, he retired that he lives around the corner for me right now. Oh, I mean, it's just it's just kind of like destiny

type of thing. That's nice. And and then, uh, I assume you watched the last dance right in the Big Star of the Pandemic here? Is that? A? It was? That? Was that? Did you watch you? Or no? You didn't see it? I watched all of them? Okay, good? So was this was this an accurate description of NBA life? Did that remind you? Did you say that they got it right? That's kind of when they were doing the behind the scenes stuff in the plane. I can't say that because I don't know. I wasn't I wasn't in

the nineties. I was in high school in college, so I don't know how accurate that was at that point in time. Right, we're walking to to locker rooms, I mean to hotel rooms. What Michael Jordan was saying, it was partying with cocon on again. That was you know, guys was smoking cigarettes and drinking beer at half times in the early seventies and eighties, right, yeah, sure, yeah, So I don't I don't know. I got you, and it just it just changes. Yeah, obviously it did. All right,

So you're now a media guy. You work at Fox Sports Radio, you're a teammate here at Fox Sports Radio and also your TV guy. And how how's the transition been from player to media Gay, Oh, it's fun. I mean it's fun. Listen, my body don't hurt. Yeah, but no, it's just fun. Man. I just just kind of getting

the hang of it. And you know, the funny thing is it's like it's you see more sensitive and maybe it was back then we didn't have a platform with social media so much, but you see more sensitive players when you're speaking about things that you see, you know,

from behind the scenes or right. So a lot of guys they get a little more sensitive when you criticize or say something that's factual or maybe it's just your opinion, right whether kid get Kendrick Perkins and Lou Williams or Ken Drick and Kevin Durant or me and Kevin Durmant. You know, it's always a backlash and what we say or or we sell out or this that, whatever, it's like. You know, you just give me your opinion on what's going on at the moment because you're you're not on

according anymore. You're seeing it from a different perspective. So um, you know, I don't mind. I try to be as fair as possible and I try to tell as much truth as I can. Continue. Have you ever had the desire? I mean, media is for right now, but have you had the desire or would you wanna have you ponder the thought of getting back into the NBA and some

kind of capacity where it's coaching, management, something of the nature. Um, right now, you know what, I'm just really focused on business, um. And and the radio of the TV is great because it's it's flexible, but for right now, you know, I this is where my my heart sat just trying to figure out all these this one uh situations and opportunities that present themselves in the business business world, and then

you can always listen. I can be fifty years old and go back to coaching, what I mean, But you can't be fifty trying to learn different business situations that's going on out there in the world. Yeah, I only ask because I you know, socially, you know, social media and whatnot. I'm still looking at your jumper and it looks like you can still shoot from anywhere on the court right now. You won't that Wi'll never leave you, that's right. But yeah, it's also a Katino like your

style of playing. You know, shooting was a big thing when you were playing, but now this is like this type of basketball would be perfect for a guy like you, don't you think, I mean you were if you had been like ten years later, you would have flourished in the current set up in the I mean, it's just it's just no brainer. It's definitely a no brainer, you know, to how they now considered to how I played, and you know, I'm I'm mid range, I'm posting up. I'm

mixing it up. A lot of these guys, a lot of these guys don't do all those things. You know. I love the Devin Bookers of the world because he does a lot of all of that. Uh, you know, he reminds me of throwback kind of two guards, you know, Bradley Beals to throw back two guards, where you can post up, where you can pick and roll, where you can run for you shoot three, your spot up and doing all those different things. So I love that versatility

of those guys. And you know, if if I was playing now, Dave, I was twenty five playing nowadays, I would definitely give me about easy every night, a game awesome and coatino. Thanks to your time, man, I appreciate it. Continued global domination in the media business at Fox and we'll talk to you. Thank you all right, Thanks, thanks, appreciate