In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Evan Hirsch (the Energy MD), who has helped thousands recover from Long Covid and ME/CFS. The conversation raises some fascinating points: how Long Covid can be understood as ME/CFS with a different viral trigger; how the nervous system and mitochondria are not 'dysfunctional' but highly functional, intelligent and communicative. Evan covers the 5 main causes of complex fatigue conditions, and the conversation moves through the difference between nervous syst...
Jul 21, 2025•40 min•Season 2Ep. 4
In this episode of the podcast, Anna speaks with her friend and colleague Jack Strömer. Jack has his own walk with chronic fatigue syndrome and a deep practice of Zen meditation. In this conversation, Anna and Jack explore the invitational nature of illness in relation to spiritual maturation. Themes of curiosity, openness, allowing and the intimacy of 'not knowing' all emerge at different points in this rich, thoughtful exploration. Feel free to send a text! We can't respond via text unfortunat...
Jun 09, 2025•39 min•Season 2Ep. 3
In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Shivani Gupta, an expert in Ayurvedic medicine. Through years of research and dedication, Shivani explored the incredible power of turmeric as a potent natural anti-inflammatory and later developed her own supplements powerful enough for doctors to recommend to their patients for every day use. In this rich conversation, Shivani's passion for wellbeing and for the amazing properties of Ayurvedic medicine shines through, as well as her understanding of the hum...
Nov 23, 2024•44 min•Season 2Ep. 2
In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Jana Norman, Post-Doctoral Research Fellow at Deakin University, Australia. Jana has suffered from rheumatoid arthritis for 20 years, as well as, more recently, Long Covid. In this conversation Anna and Jana explore the role of the body, and of materiality itself, as way of receiving the wisdom of evolutionary intelligence at work in the body and the world. Their conversation covers the lived, bodily experience of fatigue; the exciting science of cellular int...
Oct 07, 2024•47 min•Season 2Ep. 1
A special bonus episode marking a gap between Season 1 and Season 2 of the Fatigue Files podcast. This is a hypnotic journey into a world of healing possibilities, drawing on imagination and suggestion. It elicits a sense of connection with a deeper sense of agency, inviting you into a more expansive sense of self, one who can co-construct your own experience. Listen with headphones on. Take the volume to a level where you are comfortable with the voice. Please don't use machinery or drive while...
Jun 09, 2024•16 min
In this episode, Anna reflects on the importance of understanding the centrality of the body as a sensing, capable field of aliveness and a highly evolved, highly intelligent field of meaning-making. She explores the Western myth of the body-mind split and challenges the sense in which some approaches to healing are almost echoes, no matter how well-meaning, of that older mythic structure. Is it time, she wonders, to drop the idea of a 'hyphenation' in bodymind and to move towards a much more en...
Apr 09, 2024•33 min•Season 1Ep. 28
Having been diagnosed with CFS in 2012, Shaun Moran recovered using various layers of health optimisation science-based approaches. Shaun now works as a health and recovery coach and offers a program called the 'CFS-Free Recovery Program'. In this conversation, Shaun and Anna explore some (but not all) of the layers of health optimisation based in a fundamental respect for the evolutionary biology of the body and the science-led approach that draws on it. The health paradigm that Shaun and Anna ...
Mar 26, 2024•50 min•Season 1Ep. 27
Frances Goodall is a Wellbeing Coach, author, creator of the Lotus Process Video Series, a Sex and Pleasure Coach for Women, and a practitioner of Internal Family Systems and Family Constellations. She has extensive training in a range of modalities and can be reached via her website, listed below. In this conversation, Frances and Anna share their experiences with Kundalini processes drawn from their own autobiographical convergence between Kundalini awakening and their ME/CFS journey. Frances ...
Mar 07, 2024•39 min
In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Matilda Arvidsson. Matilda recounts her deep journey back from a desperate situation of deep fatigue, trauma and isolation. She had been, at one point, taken to the very edge of her sense of wanting to 'continue as a being'. Her journey back to life centrally involved plants as companions or kin in a relationship of 'being together'. The sheer life force of her plants, Matilda recounts, drew her back into life itself again. This is rich, intriguing conversati...
Feb 16, 2024•45 min•Season 1Ep. 25
Anna Rahe is an expert in fascia. She founded GST Body — a whole fascia conditioning system. She has been a somatic and lifestyle educator for over 20 years. She has run different body studios, lectured and taught around the world and spent time on faculty at the University of San Francisco. She enjoys working with all people and bodies ranging from professional and Olympic athletes to young children with scoliosis and paralysis. In this conversation, Anna and Anna explore fascia, its significan...
Jan 18, 2024•52 min•Season 1Ep. 24
In this bonus episode of The Fatigue Files , we hear from some of the participants on Anna's groundbreaking Healing Transformation Blueprint Program. The program attracts people who want to move beyond recovery into deeper layers of healing, wellbeing and transformation. Here, some beautiful souls on that journey share glimpses into a powerful, co-emergent healing process. Whether it is sleeping for 7 or 8 hours a night after 2 years of not sleeping, or breaking addictive habits, or conquering s...
Jan 01, 2024•29 min•Season 1Ep. 23
Dawn Wiley is running an incredible experiment in vagus nerve stimulation — using her own body as her primary field of experimentation. Dawn has come from a position of profound debility to a much more functional level of health through her determined exploration of a range of vagus nerve-stimulating technologies. She runs a Facebook group: 'AVA A Vagus Adventure' in which she generously shares information on the subject: https://www.facebook.com/groups/492041135346672 In this deeply practical, ...
Dec 01, 2023•51 min•Season 1Ep. 22
In this episode of the podcast, Anna speaks with Ava Dasya Rasa, Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Transpersonal Psychotherapist specialising in Trauma, Grief, and Contemplative Spirituality and Renewal. Ava is also an author, poet, speaker, teacher, and spiritual director. In this rich conversation, Anna and Ava first explore Ava's own journey with chronic and serious illness, before discussing trauma, the brain (especially a healing modality called brainspotting) and transfigurative transfor...
Nov 18, 2023•43 min•Season 1Ep. 21
Heather McKean is an experienced coach and healer. Together with her partner, Kent, she has designed a healing system called 'Mind Change'. This is a healing system that draws on the power of the mind-body system to allow stability by reprogramming the brain's patterns. Mind Change is a collection of new, cutting-edge techniques that draws together a range of effective modalities to offer rapid change. In this conversation, Heather and Anna explore the emotional drivers of fatigue. There is a li...
Nov 03, 2023•46 min•Season 1Ep. 20
In this episode, Anna and Ashok discuss meditation, healing and awakening. Themes related to the therapeutic use of mindfulness, hypnosis, and practices of deeper awakening converge to produce a fascinatingly rich conversation. You might not have heard Ashok speak like this before, even if you know his work. Ashok Gupta is well known to the community of people who are on the healing journey with fatigue. He is the founder and CEO of the Gupta Program, a celebrated recovery program that leverages...
Oct 03, 2023•40 min•Season 1Ep. 19
Like many in the audience for this podcast, Sharon Wirant has chronic fatigue. Her chronic fatigue stems from working in toxic environments and from chronic stress. Sharon is near to recovery from toxic mold exposure, Lyme disease, and adrenal fatigue. Her condition was ignited by a ‘push through’ attitude that resulted in a chronic stress response in her brain and left her body vulnerable to infections, inflammation and fatigue. Sharon now works with others, helping them in their recovery journ...
Sep 15, 2023•47 min•Season 1Ep. 18
The Breaking of the Shell — by Elaine Walker (Interviewer) Tears were very close as I listened to Anna's story. Her courage in the face of such pain reminded me of Kahlil Gibran's poem On Pain , from The Prophet , and particularly this line, 'Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding'. So many people who go through serious illness seem to encounter some sort of breaking of the shell. Anna describes her breaking, or breakthrough, as part of a rather frightening spiri...
Aug 21, 2023•46 min•Season 1Ep. 17
What if you could generate a range of different choices and experiences that help you to generate powerful healing states? In this episode, Anna speaks with Ben Elers, a fellow hypnotist and neuroplasticity enthusiast. Ben is an innovation trainer and coach for 'disrupters and change makers — helping accelerate innovation by thinking and imagining in new ways — based on how your embodied brain actually works!' Anna and Ben explore the incredible reality-construction processes of the brain and it...
Aug 02, 2023•45 min•Season 1Ep. 16
In this episode, Anna speaks with Patricia Kolbe, who has had her own battle with debilitating chronic fatigue. Patricia is a coach on the Energy BluePrint Program (Ari Whitten) and the Gupta Program (Ashok Gupta). Patricia holds two master’s degrees and has completed five years of doctoral-level research training. She brings a fantastically wide set of skills, experience and knowledge to her work. She has done biomedical research, studied Eastern approaches to mind-body healing and is a committ...
Jul 19, 2023•47 min•Season 1Ep. 15
In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Terry Marks-Tarlow, Clinical and Consulting Psychologist. In this conversation, Terry and Anna explore the rich allusiveness of dreams as a portal to the unconscious. Various themes emerge — but the core encouragement to all who suffer from complex fatigue is to work with dreams because such work can be truly transformative and healing. Terry is an author who writes on non-linear science, creativity, play and clinical intuition and is an expert in nonlinear d...
Jul 05, 2023•45 min•Season 1Ep. 14
In this episode, Anna speaks with Dr Evan Hirsch, the 'Energy MD' and founder of Fix Your Fatigu e. Evan takes a multi-layered, highly systematic approach to the healing of fatigue. He has helped thousands of people recover. In this conversation, Evan discusses a range of practical themes fundamental to recovery and healing. His approach is all about finding the causes, matching them to the right treatment and navigating the setbacks in that process with skill and acceptance. He is absolutely ce...
Jun 11, 2023•47 min•Season 1Ep. 13
This episode features Dan Neuffer, author of CFS Unravelled: Get Well by Treating the Cause, not just the Symptoms of CFS, Fibromyalgia, POTS and Related Syndromes. Dan is the creator of the ANS REWIRE Recovery Program . In this conversation, Dan and Anna explore the perceived dichotomy between 'body-mind' and 'physical' approaches to recovery from fatigue. They problematise the dichotomy in a conversation full of Dan's typically lively intelligence. Together, Dan and Anna frame body and mind as...
May 26, 2023•51 min•Season 1Ep. 12
The guest for this podcast edition is artist, fiction writer and academic, Professor Andreas Philippopoulos-Mihalopolous. In this edition, Andreas and Anna play with the theme of 'thinking-with-water', reflecting on how such thinking might shed light on the experience of fatigue — and the self — as a lived experience. We reflect on the fluid nature of self, fatigue itself, and the transformations generated by fatigue. This is a richly multi-layered conversation full of exploration. Food for 'the...
May 26, 2023•35 min•Season 1Ep. 11
In this episode of the Fatigue Files, we hear from Mary Tutaev. Mary facilitates a Death Cafe in Bristol, England. She works extensively with the process of grief and its multiple dimensions. She has also suffered from ME/CFS. In this thoughtful conversation, Mary and Anna explore the various dimensions of grief as it emerges for those in the process of feeling that they are losing themselves in a chronic health condition. We also explore the newer self that emerges in the process of facing chro...
May 11, 2023•49 min•Season 1Ep. 10
Dr Sarah Myhill is one of the best known authorities on fatigue recovery and has worked extensively on ME/CFS. The Paleo-Ketogenic diet is a diet she has used for over 20 years to help patients reverse various chronic conditions, including (and especially) ME/CFS. In this intensely practical conversation, she explains the advantages of this diet, its evolutionary appropriateness and the perils of eating sugars, high carbohydrate loads, dairy and grains. During this conversation, Sarah recommends...
Apr 20, 2023•42 min•Season 1Ep. 9
In this beautiful discussion, Rebekkah LaDyne and Anna Grear explore somatic sensing, presencing, and awakening to deep self-attunement to the body, including in meditation practices. This is a richly wise and nuanced discussion, deeply valuable to those suffering complex fatigue. The book mentioned is The Wakeful Body: Somatic Mindfulness as a Path to Freedom by Willa Blythe Baker. To access Rebekkah's book The Mind-Body Stress Reset: Somatic Practices to Reduce Overwhelm and Increase Well-Bein...
Apr 14, 2023•45 min•Season 1Ep. 8
In this episode we hear from Dr Silvia Binder. Silvia was declared clinically dead 5 times as a young woman, and received a powerful gift of intuition that she uses extensively and powerfully in her clinical healing practice. In this conversation, Silvia shares the importance of trusting 'the knowing' and living from intuition. Silvia is the CEO/President of the Ondamed Companies in New York, Germany, and Nigeria and she is the founder of The Binder Institute for Personalized Medicine in Germany...
Mar 26, 2023•41 min•Season 1Ep. 7
Dr Terry Marks-Tarlow is a Clinical and Consulting Psychologist with over 30 years professional experience behind her. Terry teaches clinicians how to tune into body, mind, brain, spirit and relationship. In this conversation, she discusses attachment, self-attunement and healing, the healing power of the imagination and more. Terry is an author who writes on non-linear science, creativity, play and clinical intuition and is an expert in nonlinear dynamics and interpersonal neurobiology. Terry i...
Mar 13, 2023•41 min•Season 1Ep. 6
In this episode we hear from Rebecca Tolin about her approach to healing and recovery. Rebecca is a mind-body practitioner who regularly helps people recover from chronic fatigue, pain and other mind-body symptoms through teaching, coaching and writing. Her approach is a convergence between science, somatic meditations and timeless wisdom — and all this comes through in this generous conversation. If you enjoy the approach taken in this podcast, think about joining the HypnoCatalyst NeuroCalm Co...
Feb 23, 2023•44 min•Season 1Ep. 5
In this episode, Anna Grear reflects on fatigue in relation to the 21st century's need for a new kind of 'I' apt for the complexity and challenge of the times. Weaving her own 'stark' journey from one kind of self to another in her own walk with ME/CFS, she suggests that those of us with fatigue simultaneously offer critique and hope to an exhausted world — that we are positioned to experience the emergent, complex 'I' now required if humans are to respond to the evolutionary shift underway in t...
Feb 13, 2023•19 min•Season 1Ep. 4
