Seeing Red(Bull): Simon, Crofty and Karun react to the Spanish Grand Prix

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hello all uh welcome to the f1 podcast the latest installment where we're going to discuss the flashpoint of the season so far max for staff and now having conceded that he's coming together with George Russell was not right and shouldn't have happened and that his frustrations effectively boiled over. We'll talk about how the flexi-wing TDs really came to nothing. Oscar flexing his muscles and we'll do much, much more. We'll talk about the championship fight and those that won, those that lost.

out of the final part of the triple header and actually reflect on the three races that came back to back to back and we'll do that with the help of karun chandok who was watching from home and david croft who what a guy Late replacement for Jenson Button, who was due to join us but having moved house, was without power, got one bar on his phone to tell us that he was stranded and couldn't do this. So, fresh from dozing in front of the cricket.

David Croft, magnificent effort to get yourself ready in 10 seconds flat. Thank you very much. I hope I've scrubbed up okay. You look very good. You scrub up very well, very quickly, as opposed to Garun, if you're watching this.

on spotify who couldn't even be bothered to shave for this podcast that's my weekend off that's my weekend off look do you do that do you like go a week a week without shaving just to give the beard a bit of growth yeah i mean you told me i look younger with my beard so you do well for now next year graze is going to come out though it's just bad simon's age soon right okay

Welcome to the F1 show. It is sponsored, of course, by Audi. Let's get straight into the big talking point of the weekend. And that is, of course, Max Verstappen on George Russell. The 10 second penalty. uh the fact that it all boiled over but it was a sequence of events karoon that led to this and it started pretty much with the safety car restart and going on to being the only one to go on to a set

of new hards and he just could not believe it. Why are we on the hards? Should he have stayed out on the softs? And then from there, it kind of spiralled out of control. Yeah, I think, you know, he was surprised to go into the hard tyre. They had no choice because they were on that three-stop. So I feel like he was surprised. But then Max was told by GP, look, we have no choice. We had no choice, rather. That's the only thing we could do. So I think that was fine.

But then the consequence of the hard time meant that he had that snap of Oversteer on the restart. He's lost the position to Charles. He's annoyed that Charles has bumped into him. He had a bit of a rant on the radio about that. Then George...

pumped him and actually i just listened back to the that section of the race that sort of 10 minute bit of team radio um you know all all through and weirdly when joe as soon as george hits him max immediately comes to the radio says that'll be a penalty he's hit me

So he immediately says George should have a penalty. Now, Red Bull's response, which for me was really confusing, even watching at home, because they asked him to give up the place. And I obviously didn't have the benefit of the onboards.

um because i hadn't scanned my qr code that crofty had told me to on the sky sports app but i was just watching uh i was watching the you know the normal coverage and to me i looked and i thought he's been he's been tagged he doesn't need to give the place up why are they asking him to give the place up It was confusing. And, you know, so then the Red Miss is down, right? And what he did was, you know, was just wrong. And I'm glad, somewhat surprised.

i have to say to hear him come out and apologize because we we haven't had that before from max so the fact that he has i think is is good um you know he's because It's indefensible, right? What he did, slowing down, effectively giving George the message in the cockpit that I'm slowing down, you go past. And then he accelerates. He actually gets slightly back on the throttle as well if you listen to the onboard, which is...

You know, clearly unacceptable. He's come out, apologised, chapter over. Well, chapter's not over, though, is it? Because we'll all go to Canada and we'll start asking questions about it all over again. And I think the... The biggest legacy in terms of how it affects Macs.

is those three penalty points on his license for this 12-month period. And he's got two races now to really behave himself. And I think the 10-second penalty was right. because it was a chunk of points that got taken away and and that's that to me is is damaging and therefore is is a proper punishment but it's those three penalty points puts them on 11 now

One more penalty point, he gets a race ban. He's got two races until his next points come off. So I think the stewards have done a very good job there. And we'll ask questions about that. You know, Max, are you going to change your approach now for the next two races? Are you going to try and keep out of trouble? Are you going to try and keep a bit calm? It was that red miss.

that descended on Max. And like you, I'm glad that he's come out and said, look, it shouldn't have happened. I apologize to the team. Shouldn't have done it. You know, that shows a mature Max Verstappen, and we want to see that. But we also want to see a mature Max Verstappen. happen on the track and not doing things like that because he is a better driver than than this sort of thing and he keeps getting remembered for this sort of thing and i don't want to see that for him no

Let's just play devil's advocate again, if I could, with this one. George Russell, straight up his old nemesis, George Russell. It had to be George, didn't it? saying afterwards, bad example to young kids. And Max was initially fairly belligerent, wasn't he? He wasn't having any of it in Rachel's interview, saying, oh, bring some tissues next time. But then he softened. And I wonder why he softened overnight.

If you look at some of the reaction, though, from the fans. Now, I don't know if this is in reaction to what Nico was saying about the black flag. you know just a few questions we've had sent in d1 get 4l.g.ore whatever your handle is if album got 10 seconds why did bestappen also get 10. when that was so dangerous good for a hand too why did max get disqualified in a race ban when he purposely drove and rammed into russell tom cannon 5106 two examples of using your car as a weapon

Baku, this is quite popular. Baku 2017, Seb gets a 10-second stop and go. And Barcelona 2025, Max only gets 10 seconds. Can you explain why? Let's go to you, Karun, on that first point. Do you think, do you agree with Croft, do you think that 10 seconds was enough? I do. Or is there a case for a black flag? No, I think there's a case to discuss and debate the black flag, but I think...

If I look at, you know, what happened, the speed it happened, where it happened, how it happened, and the consequences, which I know the stewards say, oh, we don't look at the consequences, but really they do. You know, I think you have to. George carried on, did he? And I thought it was right. I agree with Crofty. I think the stewards did a good job. I also think the stewards did a good job of...

saying it would have been no further action. You know, they clarified that it would have been no further action for the turn one thing, saying that Max was in the right but not wanting to give up the place and the team were wrong. And I thought 10 seconds... was fine you know it's it's one of these things which you you have to look at how it's going to impact him and in the end the black flag would have what cost him another point simon

So I think actually Crofty's point about the three penalty points is actually more important because the one point of the championship is, you know, okay, it's not a big deal. So I think it was right.

what was awarded to him the thing about the sebastian fettle moment in backing is that seb turned into lewis he actually adjusted his steering behind the safety car remember and and bang wheels with lewis max was very clever actually in the way that he hit george he almost allowed george to hit him by not turning his steering to the left his steering angle is actually dead straight when they when they make contact so

the stewards will have looked at i think at that as well he's not making as it were a deliberate move towards george but he he's not getting out of the way of george the end result is exactly the same is he using his car as a weapon Yes, he's putting his car where George is going to hit him.

But he's not driving straight into him, if that makes sense on that one. I think that's why there's a difference between that Baku penalty for Seb and the Barcelona penalty for Max. But I do think Lando Norris... summed it up beautifully in the cool down room podcast yeah i did that before and we're thinking really when yes mario kart yeah brilliant lando um we've all done it on mario kart maybe that's the trouble

But you know what this reminded me of, Crofty, was Mexico last year, where you remember that thing with Lando and Max, turn four, Max felt that he was, you know, aggrieved by...

by what had happened down there in corner cutting or whatever. And then he just had this ridiculous lunge down the inside of Lando, didn't he? Into that left-hander of the S's and got the penalty for it, which was right. And that's what this reminded me of. It was just this... you know redness comes down gosh i'm gonna do something completely irrational not thinking logically um and if you look at what happened he did this at turn five and again when you watch the radio back

He's gone and driven into George. And then somehow between turn five and turn 12, he's sort of calmed down, had a word with himself and gone, oh, that was naughty. He shouldn't have done that. And he moves aside and lets George pass. There was no, I'll just listen back, there was no radio communication from the pit wall asking him to move aside at turn 12. So he's had this explosion of rage.

calmed itself down in seven corners and then sort of settled so yeah it's and that's the point isn't it is those those moments of what was the phrase of you simon he unleashed the raging lion or something like that yeah you know that's that's what he's the lessons got to be for max out of this isn't it is how you don't have those moments uh i i suppose to george's point though your your boy cush is is carting

What does he think about seeing a quadruple world champion do that, though? He was screaming, penalty, penalty, penalty at the TV. And then I went to drop him off at school on Monday and the head teacher was at the front door. And the first thing the head teacher said, Coach, what do you think of the race? Penalty for Max was the first thing he said as he then walked away from me. Yeah. So yes, that is what...

But he drove his heart out. That's the thing for Max. I mean, he was driver of the day, wasn't he? He drove his heart out on that three-stopper. He probably should have finished on the podium, but because of the sequence of events. Didn't happen. It doesn't excuse it boiling over. Of course it doesn't. But maybe that's maybe that's the point. He was driving such a good race and it seemed like such a good strategy. They got lucky with the safety car.

the wrong tyres on, then the coming together with Charles, then the coming together with George, then the deliberate crash into George and the wrong call, obviously, before that by GP. And it was just all of that. And it just went 0-100, didn't it?

Quick one from llamaworm2k11. Great name. It is a good one. Did Max intentionally drop points so he can trigger his performance release clause in the summer and take George's seat at Mercedes in time for the reg change?

where the mercedes engine will likely make the best car for 2026 while also leaving his arch rival george russell with red bull as his only option forcing him to have to drive a car that nobody can drive except for max leaving russell stuck fighting against the car at the back of the grid like yuki what do you think of that that's a brilliant conspiracy theory and from the grassy mole that makes uh not even uh that makes a lot of sense it really does um christian horner

is saying that the stories that Max has this, you know, escape clause that gets triggered by Austria is complete and utter nonsense. yeah that's not my words that's that's christian order's words so this is probably there isn't it exactly so so take of that what you will we can only go by what we're told on this one um Aston Martin are actually chasing, I'm told, hard for George Russell and would quite like his services for the future. So Red Bull might not be the only option there for George.

it tell you what i'm going to stand alongside on the grassy and do this one if lance stroll can't race in uh in canada could uh could max verstappen um could max verstappen get that one race band and take part in le mans do you think is there anything you could do to do that because you'll replace lance stroll therefore there'll be a seat going in le mans and he wants to do them on

come on we might as well play pie in the sky conspiracy theories i mean what's going to happen here is you're playing with fire crafty because this is going to get taken out of context and put all of these i'm staying away from this Look, I'm standing on the grassy knoll. My tongue is very much in my cheek, but if it happens, you heard it here first. This is the benefit of hindsight, right? Just finish this one, though, with this beef, with the two nemesises.

What's the pool of nemesis? Nemesis is probably nemesis. George and Abu Dhabi 2024 to F1 TV. He cannot deal with adversity. Whenever anything is not going his way, he lashes out with unnecessary anger and borderline violence. We've seen it with Brazil in the past with Ocon. You saw it.

21 with Lewis and Mexico with Lambeau and yet after Imola it felt like George was offering Max and Olive Branch wasn't it going that was an unbelievable move that he pulled on Oscar Piastri just as you think they might be

getting to a point where they can go out for dinner with each other again, something like this happens. What does that actually mean, do you think, in reality for the relationship between the pair? And does it matter, Karun? I think George sort of... battered it away didn't he towards the end of that interview with with rachel saying look you know i'm not going to lose any sleep over it we've got bigger problems we need to understand why we weren't as quick etc etc um

And I think the fact that Max has come out and apologized for, I think, the first time ever. We didn't hear that after Mexico. We didn't hear that in the past and the incidents with Lewis and things like that.

I think it'll mean that this actually will take the sting out of what could have escalated. I think the sting would have been taken out of it a bit. The thing is, Max is a character that... wears his heart on his sleeve in this sort of way. He gets... very het up if things aren't going his way. I don't want that to be his legacy in Formula One. I want us to remember things like Imola, where he goes around the outside of the leader and takes the lead. But he needs to get it under control.

because he can't afford to keep doing it in the races. It will catch up with him eventually on that one, and it did catch up with him on Sunday. But this is the most mature we've seen Max after an incident like this, and that, I think, is to his credit. Yeah, I agree with you. Plus, also, what we're seeing this year is just a different level of driving, I think, from Max. When you take this as an isolated incident, everything that he has done so far this year...

is to prove that he is a magnificent quadruple world champion. It's a shame that you have these things that can be seen as a bit of a stain, but he's that kind of driver. It's either brilliance or we get a moment like this. What does it mean, though?

Can I just watch one of the subjects of Red Bull before we move on to McLaren and what it means for the top? Yuki Tsunoda, pit lane start, qualified last in a car that's obviously the same as Max Verstappen's. 13th in the Grand Prix. He was running the old spec floor because of the Imola crash that he had. But I suppose that's a small excuse, if any, at all. He felt he was getting the most out of the car as well. And yet it was sliding across.

both axles he just was he just had no answers and it looks as bad as it has for anybody in that second red bull so where now he's going to get to the end of the year surely but his head must be in an awful place crofty Yeah, and he will get to the end of the year. He won't be replaced at Red Bull. He'll be there. for the end. Helmut Marko's come out and suggested that it wasn't all down to Yuki Tsunoda and there were issues outside of Yuki's control in this one.

um where does it go from here back to the sim study the data because the details will be in the data and find a way to drive that car better He has, what, 96 races worth of experience now. He's a decent driver, Izuki Tsunoda. I'm sure he can find a solution to his troubles, but he needs to find them quick.

Because Red Bull would like him to score points unless they've given up on the Constructors' Championship already, which they probably have, to be honest, given the gap between themselves and McLaren. This is the seventh year we're having the same conversations.

seven years it's near you know that's a an awfully long time since red bull haven't found a second driver competitive enough to to you know rack up the results and points that they need right since since ricardo left at the end of 2018 and because all these drivers that have come through you know the gaslys and the alborns and they're all racking up results in other cars aren't they so there's there's something fundamentally that is not right in in the way that that that car

is designed or works for other drivers. It is so bespoke for Max. It is reminiscent of the Schumacher-Benetton days. Schumacher left and the team won one race in the next seven years. having won two world championships in a row. And that's the risk. If Max is a flight risk, that whole operation will need to rethink the way they design their cars for other people. So I've got a question.

if red bull can't find a driver that can come in and and drive that car well if they haven't found i should say a driver that can come in and drive that car straight away do they need to widen the pool a bit just get a driver who drives like max a driver who's got max verstappen style and if so who is that driver Because that's the one maybe they should be targeting. If they can't change the car, who's the driver out there that is most like Max and his driving style?

OK, can I just pick up on that one simply because of what Nico said? Because I asked him exactly that same question over the weekend, Crofty, and he said it'd be fine. Lando would be fine. George would be fine. Charles would be fine. Any of the top drivers would be fine.

I don't know. Do you agree with that? One thing that he was saying is when, because he was out on track and he was doing what Martin and Jensen and some of the guys do and go and watch them up close. And he said, I think he was out of turn seven. where he witnessed max and his description of how he controlled the under the oversteer at the back of the car was he said it was like a work of art he was like treading his fine dance and you know he wasn't ripping the tires to shreds

then Yuki goes and dials in a bit more understeer to try to alleviate the problem of all the oversteer. And he's getting snaps and he's trashing his tyres. So it's just that ability, isn't it? I mean, if that's the answer...

Can the others do that? I mean, do you agree? Do you think it could be any of the top four or five that are in that sort of class that's perhaps one down from Max? Karun, I think if you were a... one of those top four or five drivers you'd have a lot of doubts around being able to get in there and and get on with the car straight away and it's not a

Honestly, it's not a topic of conversation we have much in Formula One because we expect the good and the great drivers to be adaptable and to get on with it. And, you know, like Carlos Sainz, he's changed teams five times and he's learned the style and got on with it.

Oscar Piastri, you know, went to McLaren. We heard all about Daniel's troubles and the car not suiting him and the car not suiting his style, and Oscar just got in and got on with it, right? So, yeah, so there's an element of, I think, that good drivers are adaptable. But I do think the Red Bull example is very extreme. And this is something we often hear in MotoGP, where, you know, riders often say that a certain bike and a certain style.

is built for a rider and it takes a long time for other riders to adapt. And the Red Bull example is the only one I can think of since, as I said, Bennett in the 90s. which is a parallel to MotoGP. We used to have this with Ducati, for example. Only Casey Stoner could ride it. So I think it's a bit of a risky move if any one of the top drivers went there because the car does seem to be...

on a sort of extreme edge in terms of the requirements of a driver. There is one driver who racing bulls think has a very similar style to Max Verstappen. I don't think he's ready yet. And as I say, Yuki Tsunoda is going nowhere this season. But is Isaac Hadgett the answer to their problems? Sorry to interrupt. I'm running a mile from that at the moment. Why would you potentially destroy your career? Because it's destroyed everybody else's career.

up to this point i mean some some have bounced back and i'm thinking alex albon i'm thinking uh you know pierre gasly to some extent all the others thanks very much if i was like the cadger i'd be trying to hang on the racing ball seat and then try and get myself a deal at Ferrari or Aston or anywhere but Red Bull. But if Isaac Hadza is the closest thing to Max Verstappen, then he has the easier task.

of adapting to that car which has been which has been designed and and developed more to max's liking and red bull say because checo perez was so non you know He was a bit reluctant in coming forward to give feedback last year. So therefore, the feedback was all maxes. Therefore, the car kind of went in a max direction. So is Isaac happy the answer? I don't know.

Over the winter, they told us that Liam Lawson was the closest to Max's style, and that's why they promoted him instead of Yuki. Yeah, but I don't think that was right either. That's what I mean. So I'll be right now. Checo's stock's gone up without doing anything. You'll be back in Formula One before you know it. I mean, honestly, it's a strange thing. You don't witness it very often. No, no. Because they're sinking.

then in the in the constructors i mean if max if max does go it will be fascinating what happens to that team it really would because you look at the points of the second car has scored i mean on the map but the second car whatever it's called since 2019 if you know that's not going to put them in contention anywhere in the championship is it no no moving on interesting timing though isn't it that christian was linked with ferrari

over the weekend where did that story come from was that you on the interview i'll tell you what i'll i'll make a story up about christian horner today No, I read it and I was really confused. I mean, I saw he batted it away, didn't he? He batted it away. Yeah. Let's get into the top two and Oscar Piastri and...

um lando norris obviously as we've said before crew and your flip-flopping has known no bounds this year between the pair of them but i should imagine you're now firmly back in the piastri camp five wins to his name uh four mute asks RP Astrian Norris, the new Senna and Prost of McLaren.

joshua lg3 th why are some of these simpler these these handles it saddens me to say but i don't see norris being a world champion because of how good oscar has become with the help of mac wibber and colonicus uh which uh it's either a ronan emperor or is something to do with the nether regions uh when are oscar and lando going to have some wheel-to-wheel racing on track uh where should we start with that one let's let's just start with oscar another

Great start. You're getting the clean air here. As we've said, it's a dirty air championship. If you qualify well, you're getting the lead. Big advantage, Akron.

Yeah, I mean, you'll be glad to know that after Monaco, I didn't flip-flop anymore. I'm sticking with the Oscar. Oscar's my pick. Because I think Monaco was the track that... really you know his strength is in the fast corners in these faster flowing corners and you've got many more of those in Barcelona if you look throughout free practice and qualifying he looked a step ahead but in the Monaco

through our free practice qualifying it was a step behind lando and then landed a fantastic job there so i think um you know oscar it was a very important thing for him mentally to bounce back from monaco He would have been slightly annoyed with the fact that not only did Lando win, but also Charles got in between them, so he lost a few more points. For him to bounce back, I think, was really important.

But again, it came down to the start, didn't it? The lights, I think you commented on it. That was the shortest hold I've ever seen, I think. It literally, the five lights came on, it went away so quickly. Rebecca Lee clearly... decided she was going to be very quick with uh with getting the drivers going and catch them by surprise and lando was the one who lost out and it's the same as last year i think i was centered on the uh to the sky or tapu he lost four seconds in that first stint

behind Max which is the same four seconds he lost behind George last year and that compromised his race and it's basically the same thing that happened you know that gap of four seconds sort of stayed the same didn't it till the safety car

But it came down to the start and the time lost in the first int. But it wasn't just the start as well. The beautiful thing, I think, about Oscar Piastri this season is his ability to cope with whatever comes his way. And we know he doesn't get flustered. He's the exact opposite of Max on the track. You know, the resting heartbeat, I think, is about eight beats per minute from start to finish during the race. He just is so cool and so calm.

And everything that gets thrown at him, excuse me, he copes with magnificently, including that safety car restart. And I thought what he did brilliantly there was he knew that Max was on the hard tyre. and he knew that that would take you know an age to warm up so he made it absolutely impossible for max to get any decent heat into those tires by really slowing the pack up. Once Bernd Mylander went away and into the pit, he slowed it down to a crawl and then went.

And he gave Max no time whatsoever to prepare his tyres in the way he wanted. Then Max got the snap. And that was the danger gone from behind from the only guy that was on a new set of tyres there. and lando he kind of had in the bag for the entire race he's not flustered and and i've not flip-flopped at all karoon you will know that since before the after the first race

I'm tipping Oscar Piastri to win the world title. The fact that Karun and I were on stage in Australia at the time has no bearing on that prediction whatsoever. But he looks like a champion. And he's looked like a champion for a while, you know, a champion of the making. And I think this is the year that it's coming his way. I really do. Yeah, where now for Lando is fairly, he took it quite pragmatically, didn't he? He was...

making jokes afterwards. It went really wrong for him on the last run in Q3 because he overdrove it. We looked at it at the sky pad with Anthony and it was just another one of those things. He's still not quite... on top of it in qualifying, having thought that maybe he'd made some ground up in Monaco. But that is a very specific circuit, a very different circuit to this one. So what does he do? How does he go away and reconcile this one?

Well, I thought Nico summed it up really well during the lap. Quite early on, he picked up that Lando was overdriving it, and it's a mental game, right? At that stage, the cars are... the same that it's about that you know they they've spent the whole time dialing in the setup and at that point the engineers can't do anymore mechanics can't do anymore it's about the drivers mentally

putting it on the line and delivering the lap. And they're both equally talented. The skill is there. It's having the mental strength to deliver that lap under pressure. And Lando overdrove, didn't he? He made it. few little errors went a bit wide a couple places and oscar delivered it and the first run actually oscars wasn't great was it was the final run that it um it turned around and yeah it you have to say

that he's still, he's just got ice in his veins, doesn't he, Oscar? It's just nothing, he doesn't flap. And just a little thing about that first run of Landos, he picked up a little cheeky toe behind Oscar. um as uh as he was on his out lap and he followed him all the way around the final corner now if i'm oscar piastri and i'm being told oh yeah by the way lando got a tone is on provisional pole and yeah cheeky i think was the reply i'm thinking to myself

He's worried here. He's worried that I'm going to go out and deliver a lap that he can't replicate. And the reason I know he's worried is because he's trying to pick up a toe already behind me. you know fair play to lando for doing that but the fact is you've got one more run to come

And Oscar knows that his teammate is under pressure. And the one guy that's going to deny him pole is under pressure to the extent that he needs to get a toe behind me. So that just eases your pressure a little bit. And then he goes out and delivers that lap, you know? You use everything to your advantage in life, and he certainly did that on Saturday. He did. Oscar is now one win away from equaling. Charles Leclerc and Danny Ricks wins in Formula One, and two away from his manager, Mark Wibber.

Mark Webber will be delighted when he gets those two wins and even more delighted when he gets that third win, fourth, fifth and whatever. He knows he's got a little superstar on his hands. He really does. He's walking around like the cat that got the cream. I saw him prior to the start of that and post-qualifying. He's just got this knowing smile perfectly fixed to his face.

Shall we consider Ferrari? Obviously, the two sides of that. Charles Leclerc started from seventh, finished on the podium. Lewis Hamilton moved in the other direction. But Charles Leclerc, he said it was on him. So he sacrificed Q3, saved a new set of softs. He sacrificed a little bit in FP3 to save a new set of mediums. So he had fresh softs for the start and two sets of fresh mediums for stint two and three.

And it put him in a very good position. Charles using his head, taking it out of the strategist's hands and saying, OK, I'm going to take responsibility for what happens in this Grand Prix. And it paid off for him, Karun. Big time. It did, but you know what? It was a weird one because you heard him in the debrief, didn't he, saying how actually the third stint on that new set of mediums was terrible. He was asking...

He was asking Oscars, did the car feel different? Because his first two stints were really good. The point where they did the swap with Lewis, he was already 10 seconds behind Piastri. But then when he did his second stop, he was still that same 10 seconds behind. So actually, his pace was excellent from that point where he cleared Lewis and was running. He was matching Piastri for pace, which is really encouraging for Ferrari.

For whatever reason, that second new set of medium tyres that he'd saved didn't work for him. And he dropped back. You know, when the safety car came out, he dropped another, I think it was 11 seconds or so off. Yeah, he was 21 seconds behind when the safety car came out. So, yeah, that actually didn't work for him. But there were lots of signs of encouragement that actually his side of the garage, there's pace there.

The problem for him was in qualifying, he compromised himself, started behind some other cars, got stuck behind Lewis. And then, you know, that stint on the mediums wasn't quick. But otherwise...

I think there's a lot of signs of encouragement for Charles, off the back, of course, of the podium in Monte Carlo. Less so on the other side of the garage, wasn't it? Because Lewis just looked despondent. Basically, he's a sixth-place finish. He is. He's moved aside for his teammate. He's passed by the Sauber of Nico Hulkenberg at the end of the race. He then goes on to say zero positives. I'm going home. It's probably just me.

Now, Adrian H. Jordan, 1981. Will we see Lewis take early retirement at the end of this season or will he stick around in the hopes of the 2026 spec cars better suit his driving style? After looking so dejected last year, I think Lewis hoped the move to Ferrari would allow him to refine his form.

but it appears the pundits who say the ground effect dearer cars don't allow to drive to his strengths could be right. I've never seen a driver look so absolutely flattened emotionally as Lewis did after this race. And it's not...

the only one we've seen him flattened after so many sessions this year and it's this roller coaster of emotions that seems to be absolutely accentuated since his switch to red i think he was hoping for such positive things it's not happened and Whichever way he looks, he cannot find answers. I think we were all hoping for more positives, to be honest, especially after China in the sprint when, you know, he looks an absolute world beater once again.

He was so down on Sunday, Rachel Brooks was saying, that he actually apologised to her after his interview in the pen. And he went and said sorry because he was so down and not the best interviewee she's ever had. Let's try and offer a bit of hope on this one for him. Ferrari haven't specified exactly what the issue was, but according to Fred Visser, there was an issue with the car in the final stint, and that wasn't helping him.

Nico Hülkenberg was on a brand new set of soft tyres and they made a huge amount of difference whatever car you were driving so it wasn't a surprise that on a new set Hülkenberg has got past Lewis on an old set of softs. He should have been passed by Charles Leclerc a bit sooner, though. Ferrari left their team orders one or two laps too late, once again, despite being aware that they might...

with the drivers on different strategies, needed to go through this one. But he didn't have that race pace for the first two thirds of the race, let alone the last one.

You go back to the drawing board, don't you? And you go and find what's wrong. And if there was something fundamentally wrong with the car, then I think that offers a morale boost to Lewis. And I think the next race is quite critical for Lewis because... canada is a place he goes so so well at it's a place he loves it's very good his first uh pole first win uh as well this you know this is this is lewis hamilton's track

And if he has another down a day like he did in Barcelona, then there's issues. But look, if anyone can do it and turn it around, the seven-time world champion that is Lewis Hamilton can definitely turn it around. Yeah, I think it's starting to get a bit critical, I think, though. We're coming into the second, third of the season now.

He's not finding the rhythm. He's not finding the consistency where week in, week out, he's in a happy place with the car. Imola, woeful in qualifying. Suddenly, the car's brilliant in the race.

you know monaco he wasn't quite there he was he was a chunk behind charles throughout and it's you know i i think that there's got to be a degree of concern creeping in i think when you look at the race the fact that charles overtook him and drove away from him quite comfortably even you know even before we go into the different tires and stuff later on

I'd be concerned. If I was Lewis, if I was on the Lewis side of the garage, engineers, etc., I'd be concerned about, okay, we're nearly halfway through the year now. We need to start. understanding is this a fundamental issue that we need to change the direction of the setup of the car? Because I'm not disputing the fact that he's still got the ability.

He clearly does. He's able to win races we saw in China, right? But they need to find a sweet spot for him that every weekend he knows what he's got. And they haven't got that. He's still having... too many good days and bad days it's like the fluctuations are too much can you just answer adrian jordan's question though right is he he's not going to take we don't none of us think he's going to take early retirement at the end of the season do we don't very simply

Lewis will be around next year. He's not going anywhere. And on that, Simon, there is a segue to what we're doing next on the podcast, which is don't go anywhere. We'll be back after the break. You could do that, but you've not answered the second part of the question. Yeah. Who's hosting that thing? Nice try to segue, but unfortunately denied because you lost it. The second bit about, will the 2026 spec cars see your style better? Who knows? Hang on, hang on.

we haven't got a clue no one's driven one yet and on that bombshell here's a segue to the next part of the podcast german cowboy walks into a german car showroom says audi Oh, beautiful. Why have you not done that one yet? Still to come on the F1 Show podcast, sponsored by Audi. We'll do our winner, our shocker, our moment of the week, and we'll discuss some other bits and bobs. Lovely. The German cowboy. German cowboy. So clever.

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problem at home uh if you've got any solutions for that if you could please put them in the comment section um because have you found a solution yet or have you been infested by pandas well simon unhelpfully told me to get some pandas to help remove the bamboo which is really helpful um crofty googled something and came up with words which i don't really understand so no if anyone has a suggestion how to deal with my bamboo situation

I would greatly appreciate it. Yes, it came up with the words manual labour. Dig it up. That's what you didn't understand. Quite. I concur with that one, Cossie. Get your spade out. Yeah. i've tried it's quite hard also the the roots look like chicken feet have you seen them yeah and they they will destroy your foundations unless you get rid of them so

More gardening tips next week on the F1 Show podcast. But let's move into Mercedes, if we could, please. And it was, I think the word, what was the word that he used afterwards, Toto?

It was something to do with depressing. Was it something like that? I think that was the word he used. It just wasn't good for them. The whole triple header. Kimi Antonelli, one point. Suffering, that's what you said. Suffering. Someone's just written that. Thank you very much. One point across the triple header. He had mechanical failures in Imola and Barcelona.

out in Q2 in Monaco and Imola. In fact, the racing bulls outscored them. We saw a couple of the guys in the airport and they're at pains to say that we outscored them. I mean, the issue again is...

The problems that they have with the tyres overheating, and it was particularly prevalent, I think. It was a very warm race in Barcelona. Yes, well done, George, for getting fourth. But it's just one of those seasons again where they just... up and down up and down aren't they crew it's just all a bit meh isn't it like this you know there's there's a few few highlights some early podiums of george but you know the trouble is when you rock up at a weekend

You don't know where Mercedes are going to be. Mercedes don't know where they're going to be. And that's the problem is there's no consistency. They haven't got a baseline. And, you know, it just feels a bit copy-paste, doesn't it?

from the year before and they had at no point since 2022 have they been consistent challengers for wins in in this generation of rules so if you were mercedes at this stage you know you're full focus will be on next year but i think that they'd want to still understand the reliability issues because you you mentioned there two fantinelli but you also had alonso with the mercedes power unit in monaco so that's now three races in a year in a row

we've had reliability issues on the Mercedes front. So, you know, some of that could lead into the future as well, though we've got a completely new generation. There's still some... Some things in terms of materials, there could be some things in terms of manufacturing processes that could be a lesson that you need to learn for the future. So I think Mercedes would be a bit concerned about having these three issues in a row.

or parts that are being used for longer than they normally would be in a cost cap era where you can't just replace things willy-nilly because that's what you've always done. You've got to stretch things out a little bit and the failures that we've seen. They've not been spectacular failures, but they've been terminal on the engines. And I just wonder if there's a bit of cost cap related trouble there. George Russell.

you know before him was the man who was finishing in the top five at every single race he was mr consistent then mercedes bring in their copycat mclaren rear suspension Well, I don't think that's going to be coming back again because they ditched that for Barcelona. And when they go into a race in Barcelona saying that their drivers need eight laps.

of bringing the tires the soft tires gently in otherwise they're going to degrade massively you know that a they haven't got a handle on their overheating problems and b um they're not going to be a competitive force in the race Now, their biggest hope is that Canada is going to be a bit colder and therefore those overheating problems aren't going to be affecting them so much. But it's certainly not going as consistently as it looked at some stage for Mercedes.

Can they turn it around? Yes. Have they got the time to do that and prepare for 2026? Probably not. This might be where Mercedes are this season. Can you give me your thoughts on Kimi, please, Karun?

um i mean we as we said we all love him uh he's very raw he's been unlucky and he's also been a little bit up and down we expect that from a rookie don't you yeah he's he's having the classic rookie season you know we've seen um a classic rookie season for a driver who is highly skilled and talented i think we there's a lot of signs that he is going to be great he's going to be around for a long time he's going to be a race winner when the car is competitive

But he's having those sort of rookie moments as well, isn't he? He's having the old weekend where he's a bigger margin away from George than he would like. But then you think weekends like Miami, where he was ahead of George all weekend, which shows that potential. So I think overall, he's having a good year. I think he should be happy with the year he's having.

Mercedes should be happy with the year he's having. And so too should Isaac Hadjar, because another... top 10 he's moved into the top 10 in the in the drivers now with a seventh place finish but week in week out go back to i know you said that he's the one that's waiting in the wings but just another word and what he's doing for for the racing bulls and hauling them in to the center of the midfield i love that he's a catcher he's great we all do i i love the fact that he went and watched psg

absolutely demolish Inter Milan on Saturday night and sat next to Pierre Gasly. And then the pair of them were inseparable during the course of the race on Sunday afternoon as well. They just basically spent the weekend holding hands. Yeah, they did. Naomi went wrong to that too. He's a fiery character, self-critical as well. We saw in Monaco when he hit the barrio, he would spend so much time then whacking his own head.

and enraged himself. But he does seem to deliver on when it matters. You know, if you think of these sort of high pressure moments as a rookie, we were talking about before, in qualifying or in the races. Apart from that, frankly, forgivable crash in Melbourne in those awful and tricky conditions, I feel like he's done a pretty good job, really. You know, Monaco, again, tough for him. It was a weird one.

We saw Antonelli make basically the same mistake, two rookies in that barrier. But on the whole, I feel like he's had a really excellent season. And he's been the standard rookie, I'm sure. And I know, well, it's all I'm sure. I know because I've had people from Mercedes text me and tell me, Oi, what are you talking about? When I said Isaac Hadjah has been the standard rookie. But I stand by it. I do think Isaac Hadjah has been the standard rookie of the season.

I agree. Said the same. Not that it matters, but I did. Talking of hitting things, there is some gossip that Lance Stroll might have hit a surface.

in the garage uh he obviously missed the race because uh Yeah, he had discomfort in his right wrist, the one that he damaged in that cycling accident in Malaga back in 2023. We understand he's had a procedure in Geneva. Obviously, the gossip that he punched a wall.

has been called bs by mike crack and obviously the stewards have accepted that he did have mitigating circumstances so that when after going out in q2 he stayed in the garage instead of reporting immediately to be weighed um they gave him those mitigating circumstances however because A replacement hadn't done a practice session and hadn't proved their worth. They couldn't replace him. Felipe Djokovic will be doing Le Mans in Canada.

I can't imagine Cadillac would want to pull him out. Stoffel van Doorn is doing the same for Peugeot. So therefore, will Lance Stroll, I mean, we don't know the outcome of the procedure. Will he be there in his home race? And if not, are we looking at Valtteri Bottas? replace him what might happen there Crofty what have you heard in terms of Lance Stroll hitting the wall Mike Crack won't tolerate anything like that uh going on in the garage um I

I understand that a helmet was thrown to the extent that the helmet might have been damaged. Such was the force that it hit the wall. There was a lot of shouting. Oh, really? Yeah, there was a lot of shouting and swearing going on as well. Lance has got form for punching walls, albeit partition walls before that wouldn't necessarily hurt him. I've heard...

heard that before in his time at Aston Martin. I don't buy the we've been monitoring this for six weeks because if they've been monitoring it for six weeks then surely for the good of the team they wouldn't have put lance into the car in qualifying if they've been monitoring it and it's got to a point whereby he might not be fit enough to do the race. They'll bring Drogovic in before qualifying. And then Lance puts in a lap that takes him P7 in Q1. So he's obviously...

fit enough to drive well at some stage during that qualifying session. Park that for a minute. Felipe Drogovic will be in the car if Lance Stroll isn't in the car in Canada. There are contracts in place. He's their reserve driver. He'll pull out of Le Mans. Look, we all know Felipe and we all think that he deserves a chance to get on the grid. And he is a Formula 2 champion.

He is a super driver and he wants Formula One. So he's not going to go and do Le Mans if he's got a chance to take part in the race. But has Lance been suffering for six weeks? Look, the stewards were satisfied. that there was a medical issue. So there was obviously something wrong. But whether they've been monitoring it for six weeks, we don't know because they haven't said anything up until the point that Lance didn't take part in the race on Sunday. I think you're...

looking at it as if they were a normal team. What's abnormal about Aston Martin? Go on. Well, it's an unprecedented situation where the owner's son is in one of the seats. That is unprecedented. And I think the decision-making process... that goes on is is is different right we have to accept that that is the case i don't think anyone can deny that is the case and therefore i think the way you're saying

you know, you should have made or they should have made the decision before the weekend or et cetera, et cetera, I think would happen in every other team. I think in that case, we have to bear in mind so much of what happens is designed around. making Lance successful. And so if he says, I want to have a go at qualifying, I want to try and qualify and make a decision after qualifying, they're not going to go against that.

So, again, I wasn't in Barcelona. You guys were and talking to people on the ground. But just looking from afar, that's the way I read it, is he wanted to have a go and see if he could qualify and cope with the pain. and then make a decision after that. I think that it's a different scenario to other teams where they would be more forceful in terms of making the decision early.

and saying we can't risk not having a car on the grid. Okay. He's gone to see the same surgeon, the MotoGP surgeon, Xavier Murr, I think he is, that he saw last time. So we'll see whether he takes part.

in canada in what week and a half time on the other side of the garrison alonso's first points of the year also on that he's a bar he's a become an ambassador hasn't he for barcelona We're going to find out what the calendar looks like for 2026. But by all accounts, we're going to have Barcelona and Madrid on there.

He said this weekend, as you can tell he's now an ambassador, he said it's been on the calendar since 1991. It's going to be here for the next 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. So I think Fernando Alonso believes it will. He's got a lot of... power behind him but also it's one of those circuits isn't it that it's such a useful test track i think that it's it's solid probably needs a bit of infrastructure change i've never seen traffic like it

in the 14 years I've been going there, Crofty. But what you're hearing, you're hearing they're both going to be on for next year and potentially beyond. Well, I am. And there's a contract for Barcelona for next year as well. Has Madrid actually started building yet? Are they on schedule for that race in Madrid? You'd be... You'd be silly to totally get rid of Barcelona before you know that Madrid as a street race can absolutely go through with what they intend to go through with.

And then what happens in 27, if you've got two on the calendar there, we're all expecting Imola to make way, but there's noises about a 25th race coming back again. and maybe imola still being on the calendar and i was having 25 races instead of 24. the calendar you know should have been out by now we're at the start of june it was meant to be coming out i think

round about the second week of May and we're still waiting for it. So there might be some last minute tinkering going on with the calendar for next year. as it stands at the moment, you know, we'll be back in Barcelona. What I don't get about Barcelona, if you want to talk traffic, and I'm sure loads of people...

watching this podcast have been to see the Spanish Grand Prix at Barcelona. And Karun, we've been going there since you were a young boy in shorts, you know, who didn't need to shave it twice a day, you know, to get rid of the stubble. What I don't get is why... Given that there's a train line that runs right by the main stand, they don't build a platform and actually bring people in by train because it is the worst traffic management of the season, bar none.

And every year we get stuck in traffic in Barcelona and every year nothing changes. So just do something for the environment here, build a platform. Let's all go in by train. It's a much nicer experience. And for the person that got in touch with me to say, Crofty, have a word. There's no toilet paper in the loos in Barcelona. I'm really sorry about that as well, because that's just not on. No, that is not on, and Mike Crack would be furious by that. Yeah, you don't have to answer that one.

Williams, quick one on there. Let's do some any other business. A couple of other things to finish off on. They've obviously got, during the ground effect period, they've had no joy whatsoever in Barcelona. Alex?

potentially addressed some of those issues by sticking at what was it 11th in in qualifying it's these long straights short corners they're okay with but it doesn't like long corners whereas the combined forces of turning and downforce why is that you know williams well yeah listen it's basketball as a circuit where it exposes any weakness in the car you've got nowhere to hide um and downforce is absolutely your best friend you've got a lot of these corners which are sort of

fourth fifth sixth gear corner you know medium high-ish speed a couple of seventh gear corners as well um and if you've got any weakness it does a downforce it will be exposed there and clearly williams do But they'll be fine in Canada because that is basically what you just described. Long straights and short corners.

Problem solved. Yeah, they should be back in Q3 there. Yeah, they'll be absolutely back in Q3. Apart from the fact, of course, that we all know the weather in Canada can be absolutely bonkers, can't it? And groundhogs. Sauerbert, Nico Hülkenberg got to finish with that because big up. Nico Hülkenberg still not got a podium, still not got a win. And that record of the driver with the most race starts to not have picked those up.

Adds another race to that. But started 15th. He got to 11th at the start and finished in fifth, overtaking a demoralized Lewis Hamilton. They did have a new floor, engine cover and front wing. But have they found something? If that upgrade works elsewhere, then perhaps they are back in with a shout of moving up the order in the constructors. And they have. They're up to eighth, actually, ahead of Aston Martin.

Well done, Sauber. I think you're right. The car is a little better. But the words of Bernie Collins on the bus going to the airport on Sunday night. If ever there was a race made for Nico Hülkenberg, this was the race. He had lots and lots of tyre options. His middle stint was superb. At 30 laps on the medium tyre, he kept himself in contention. Safety car came out at just the right time for him.

whack on a new set of soft tires, use them to perfection. He's not the guy that manages tires necessarily. That's not his strength. But wheel-to-wheel racing very much is. And if you don't have to manage the tires and look after them, off he goes and he can do some business. And I could not be more pleased.

for Nico Hulkenberg to get that fifth place because I don't ever want him to become like the forgotten man of Formula One. He's too good a driver for that. And he deserves to be on that grid and deserves a car that can show his talents. can i just add something else for the sauber story which was a funny little subplot do any of you follow jonathan weekly on instagram uh not yet but i'm probably going to after this did you see his his post which is quite funny which is about the pit stop times

from Barcelona, which is Sauber being the fastest and Red Bull being last in terms of the fastest pit stops. I wondered how long it would take. I'm sure Jonathan quite enjoyed posting that. Isn't that the second time this season Sauber have been the fastest pit stop of the race? I think they're the team that knocked Ferrari off their 100% record so far off the top of my head.

He's also, yeah, I think they have a points thing, don't they, in terms of like pit stop rankings. They score points through the season. And right now it's Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber a third in the pit stop. Wear a Red Bull. Wear a Red Bull. uh fifth at the moment so but if you look at in the points level there ferrari mclaren mercedes red bull that's your big four teams salva the interloper in that so um

There you go. I just saw it was quite amusing, isn't it? That Jonathan, you know, we know he was fastidious with pit stop training and all that at Red Bull. I'm sure he quite enjoyed pointing that out. Well done to them. Well done to them. I got in the way of one of Jonathan Wheatley's...

pit stop training sessions, if you put it like that, the practices that they put in before at Paul Ricard a few years ago. And I got the shortest of shrift. You do not get in the way of Jonathan Wheatley when he's doing one of those. And they were well drilled.

Seven in a row, there you go, won the DHL fastest pit stop and now languishing in fifth. Can we finish then? And we will get the flexi wings into this with your winner, Schocker. and moment of the week crofty you've had no time to prepare because as i said we pulled you out of your slumber on the sofa and into this podcast but have you had time to to have addressed those three questions

I would like to award winner of the week to the £50 bracket that McLaren put on their front wing that stiffened it up and made absolutely no difference to their dominance whatsoever. Although in the words of Rob Marshall... who I spoke to on Sunday night. Yeah, it's a £50 bracket, but knowing us, it probably cost three grand. That, to me, is the story, and they are the winners.

and rob believes the technical directive will have no effect whatsoever and that red bull are still looking in the wrong places before i ask i i went winner rob marshall as as well because i went over i saw them they were on the grid walk they were talking to uh or he was talking to christian horner

being interviewed by dc and i just wondered he was going over there clearly to gloat and say what loss of performance to his old boss christian honor good old rob marshall uh stiffer front wings have not pegged them back as the mclaren chief designer who was your winner karoon i mean it sounds obvious to say but

Oscar Piastri, because I thought he needed to bounce back after Monaco, and he did, you know, in dominant fashion. I'm going to go classic Ted Kravitz here and pick more than one and say... Nico Hulkenberg, because great grace from him. Really good to see him getting the points. And I don't know what odds you would have gotten on him overtaking Lewis Hamilton on track, but I bet they would have been pretty good.

Your shocker, Crofty? Max Verstappen's emotional counsellor, who probably needs to do a few more sessions to get him to calm down a little bit. That has to be the shocker, doesn't it? Max, don't. As I say, you're better than that. Yeah, I mean, I have to agree. You know, it was, it's just not, it just showed that still in these moments, the red mist comes down, as I said.

kind of reminded me of mexico last year it was just a very similar set of circumstances one thing happened enraged him boss yeah into someone else Can you do self-nom, by the way? I'm doing a self-nom here, Crofty, on this one. For getting pied by Bukayo Saka on the gridwalk and then getting pied by Pierre Gasly, Alex Albon.

london i just gave up in the end i know how hard it must be for you know for the governor when he's standing there and they're all walking no one wants to talk to you particularly not me they don't want to talk to bundle but they're all within their rights to do that i just want to want to say that

And nothing against Bukayo Saka because I think Bukayo Saka is a great player. And yeah, he's going to lead England on to great things with the rest of the squad that were there. But it was great to see them. And well done, Harry Kane and big damn burn for having a word. But yeah. Pied, Crofty. Pied. Just keep going, though. One day your Osborne moments will come, your Michael Douglas moment will come. Yeah.

The good stroll without stroll was good. I enjoyed it, to be honest. Thanks very much. Thanks. I mean, you've got Big Rock Marshall in. What else do you need? do you know what's been really lovely we've been recording this podcast and as you say you've woken me from my slumbers watching the cricket on the sofa it started raining at the oval and in about 10 minutes time the covers are going to come off and we'll get some more cricket in so what

for the rain delay at the cricket. Well, I've got to go and do the school run, so I've got to be very quickly. Moment of the week. Are we all in agreement? Sat on a BA plane. with the captain saying, I know you all want to go to Heathrow. I know it's midnight, but we're going to Birmingham instead. Because sometimes Formula One is that glamorous, ladies and gentlemen. I got in at 4 a.m. Sunday night. What time did you get back to London? Five.

I'm going to say my moment of the week was you goading Anthony Davidson to get off the fence and offer up a Stewart's decision. And he just kept saying, I'm not a steward, but I'm not a steward. I did text and he said, I don't know how many more times you could make clear you weren't a steward as a... as you know simon tried desperately to get you to take a strong stance in a nico rosberg way

He did, though, in the end. He did say he reluctantly agreed that was intentional. That's the moment of the week. I enjoyed your goalie. What was your moment of the week, Mr Lazenberg? I enjoyed dissecting it with him on the screen. iPad because Ant's so good at that and actually because we've been discussing these rules of engagement so much recently

We're all kind of there with, you know, at least they're laid out on paper. At least we can go, right, well, he wasn't there. This wasn't there. And it wasn't in a controlled manner. But at the moment of the week was obviously everything that happened after the restart. It was a series, those series of events. Just summed it up. And actually, it just gave us so much to talk about. Brilliant. Enjoyed it.

As Nico's trying to be sensible and talk to you after the race and explain why he wanted a black flag, our sound engineer Adam in the commentary box who was actually trying to fiddle with some cables underneath the desk managed to get up. and walk in front of the camera and still be completely unaware that nico was talking live to you i was staring down the face of the camera so shocker of the week moments of the week and winner of the week adam the sound supervisor You take it all, my friend.

Well, I'm pretty sure Carlos Sainz did that to the three of us as well when we were in camera after a practice session. So maybe that, and by the way, yes, the lie detector in full is up on the YouTube. So there you go. If you want to, you can check that out. You can check that out. Thanks Karun. Well done. Appreciate it.

Thanks for stopping by and talking to us and especially to Croft for getting off his sofa and you can get back to the cricket now and I'll go on the school run and we'll see you. next time I'm going to put it like that next time on the F1 show whenever that might be but well done we'll see you soon bye bye cheers all