Hello everyone, a very warm welcome to this episode of the Sky Sports F1 Podcast with me, Matt Baker. Joining me to reflect on an emotional win for Shalikler in Monaco, we've got our very own Bernie Collins as well as the only man we could possibly get on for Shalikler win. It's Matt Gallagher. Well, I thought for some reason, and to be fair, it's most weeks, but this one in particular, I thought it was going to win. So I didn't want to say anything to him.
I was at an event for the new F1 game, you know, of course, said hello, caught up with him, but I was not going to be like, so you're going to win Monaco because I don't want to be that guy if he then retires, which of course the Monaco curse was something we very much thought was a real thing.
But thankfully for his sake, no longer. So the key is nothing, just just don't say anything about the win. Don't say anything, no jinks and yeah easy, easy. Well, whatever you did, it clearly worked very well. Bernie, how are you? How was your weekend? Good, thank you. I'm a little bit on as well, but we're getting there and I so apologies for the voice, but yeah, good to be chatting and yeah, what a great win for for sure. Good to finally have that happen.
Yeah, incredible. We should also say, Bernie, you've got some builders in the background. So if you do hit some soaring, it's not under control. All under control. It's all under control. Let's kick off with with our what I've learned from this weekend, something we've learned in Formula One, Bernie, why don't you want to kick us off? Well, I was going to start with one serious one, not the serious ones, the serious one, red ball, not as robust as we thought they were.
The last three races is getting much closer when you look at the Champions League World's expectation. And secondly, even Monaco's not fun when you're sick. Those are my two lessons. Yeah, you had to trip to the French pharmacy, didn't you, you were telling me? Yeah, some French drones. There's a lot of French English translation going on, but we got there. We got there. You're out the other side, hopefully. Yeah, very good. Matt, what did you learn this week in Formula One?
I've learned it's possible to have a race that even as a full Formula One hardcore Scholar Klerfan that you could potentially fall asleep to because Monaco very much is hard as it is, right? It's difficult. There's not many overtakes. And then it went no red flag, no stops. We're just it was a glorified free practice for a lot of ways. But it's fine. We had a great result at the end, lots to talk about. But yes, I think Monaco nowadays we need to talk about what what potentially could change.
Well, we are fortunately going to actually discuss that a little bit later on in the podcast. I learned that Scholar Kler, what do you think you would eat the night before a Formula One race? What possibly could could you put in your in your stomach that will fuel you for a mentally challenging race for a physically challenging race?
You might think all these healthy foods, but no pizza was what Scholar Kler revealed is what he ate. He said he got home too late on Saturday night, so couldn't cook. Questions arise here of does he cook his own meals during a race weekend? I don't know, seemingly does. And that he said he just ordered his favorite pizza, which which we found out was a Margareta with prosciutto. So all shall fans there, a few easy ways to his heart. I guess just get him a pizza with prosciutto and Margareta.
I guess that's part of it though, you know, this is an unusual race for him and that he was at home. So all the normal, what he does go back to the hotel, how he's transported around is all different in Monaco for all the drivers, but particularly when you're able to stay at home.
Yeah, and we saw we saw that photo of him on his bike after after winning the Monaco Grand Prix, cycling home was just brilliant. So yeah, look huge, huge run for show and fuel by pizza clearly, clearly did the right thing. And so let's get into into that win. He's come close a few times in Monaco, hasn't he? It's that you alluded to earlier, Matt, the Monaco curse.
But finally, he was able to get the job done. Matt, I just wonder from from from your perspective, if you could just try and articulate why this was such a special win for Sean, why he was so emotional, why he even said it was a more significant win than the monster win a few years back for Ferrari.
Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's as simple as the fact it's his home streets, he grew up there, of course, he, you know, his father passed just before he became a Formula One driver and I'm sure that there are a lot of dreams and wishes that that they spoke about that was around Monaco.
Of course, it's not just the Monaco Grand Prix, which is the one everyone wants to win, but it's his home race. And I think as well, through all of the disappointment, it made the win even sweeter. I think probably Daniel Ricardo can sort of link to that somehow, he had a few occasions that didn't go his way. And so I feel as though that again added to the emotion.
Of course, he mentioned as well that his friends, his family, everyone was around Monaco. It's it's just I mean, the amount of pressure he must have felt you heard him over the team radio afterwards, like quite literally crying down the radio, you could hear the emotion.
And that's why I live for as a Formula One fan, is to see that to hear that and you know, no disrespect to Max for stabbing that's winning most weeks, but you kind of lose that that special element, but we've had it with Lando and now we've had it with Charles. And yeah, it was just things fell his way, which I'm sure also made him quite emotional and happy that Monaco was kind to him, like Lance Droll had a puncture and he delivered his tire into the pit lane.
It's things like that that if there was a Monaco curse, it probably would have ended up in the middle of the track and they would have had a safety car and everything would have changed. So yeah, I think it was a release more than anything, because it just was probably weighing him down for a few years.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure it was Bernie. He said something quite interesting after the race that he said, as a driver, you never really know when your next opportunity to win will be, especially when it's your home race. And I guess it's all very well having those couple of into a couple of years where it hasn't gone well for him.
There is a world in which, you know, Carlos Siont stays as a Ferrari driver and then Charles has to go to another team and then he never gets another opportunity to win his home race again. And I guess it just puts it into perspective, doesn't it, that these are really special moments for drivers.
Yeah, and I think particularly street circuit somewhere like Monaco, you know, of the podiums I've done the Monaco one stands out that podium celebration, how it is. And you know, I've got no connection to Monaco for so it would then to be your home race. It's got to stand out even more than that as well.
But as well as that Monaco anything can happen. So even if you're in, even if he's in the fastest car next year as the fastest driver, there's still a good chance of you not win a Monaco because something goes wrong in qualifying or something goes wrong in the race. So particularly at Monaco, all the stars need to align and you can look at the race and say he was lucky, but equally he did a very clean job of qualifying. And that's where Monaco was won. You know, he put the sectors together.
He stayed count through every session. And you know, we didn't have the years before we hit Cleopter Wall and then that put us risk at risk. So he did what he needed to do in qualifying to make sure he was on the P1 position. And that's where his race was won. It's, you know, it's not the management of the race really, I think.
From my perspective, what I've really enjoyed over the last couple of races with with Lando winning in Miami and shall winning this week, it felt like they're really enjoying the moment in a way that perhaps in sport with so used to seeing sports people go, no, it's all about the next race now.
I'm not, you know, they don't really seem to enjoy that win that much, but we saw it with Lando, we saw it was shall they seemed elated and speaking about how they were going to party that night. It's actually quite charming, isn't it, to see and quite quite nice for fans, I think, to see that side of drivers.
Yes, that human element, you know, especially with Charlotte and with Lando over lockdown and they were streaming and we kind of felt like we were connected to the drivers somewhat because years ago, former one drivers were behind this sort of veil and we didn't really know what they were like, but now they are a lot more personable and for Charlotte, Charlotte and Lando, of course, the younger side of the drivers on the grid, it's, yeah, it's refreshing to see that that side of things.
It felt for Charlotte like it was his first win as well through the things we've just spoken about and the emotion there and yeah, it's this is what we love to see as the story lines and things like that coming together for drivers that are so likable up and down the paddock and probably some two of the biggest drivers, Lando and Charlotte in terms of popularity as well amongst fans.
But what have you made of Fred Viser's impact and that clearly there's a lot of warmth isn't there between shall and Fred and seeing those pictures of them jumping in the water together he seems to have really invigorated that Ferrari team to not be making the mistakes perhaps they have done of years gone by.
Yeah, so just what I think Fred was pushed but yeah to see going into the water together is good, but you know Fred has brought a lot that team I think and there was a really talent interview I think that we did over the Japanese quampre where he said it's about it's not about what he's doing it's about everyone in the pet wall feeling comfortable to do their own job and I think that's what's been lacking in for you know that's what I thought was lacking for and then Fred sort of you know put put concrete words to that in fact saying you know.
It's about making every make a trip and it's got what they need to do their job correctly to make the decisions quickly and you know we've seen this year much more aggressive strategy from Ferrari than we've seen in the past and much much much clearer decisions and I think that you know through this qualifying even has led to them being in this position of strength and they just seem to be growing the team seems more confident the drivers seem more confident in the videos so hopefully that continues and you know we're going to be able to see that.
And you know we have to put you know a large bit of that Fred store and you can see him in the in the paddock he's relaxed on the grid he's one of the easiest people to interview and he's just so childlike and he seems to be spreading that through the team and and team that confident like that and growing well well to really well. And I think that's the most important thing to do is to get this team principal Matt.
Definitely one of the most likable yeah I was chatting with Tommy on our podcast after race and and how it's is where the Ferrari is kind of gone from everyone loves Ferrari and they always have that allure about them and I feel like Fred is taking down some of those walls and Ferrari
is becoming a little bit like McLaren in the sense of a bit fun and likable and and and I like that you know Fred is bringing that relaxed atmosphere and I will also say that you know that the small changes he's making are paying huge dividends you think that
Charles hasn't finished any lower than fourth Carlos hasn't finished any lower than fifth this year there what less than a race win Ferrari behind rebel in the constructors they are efficient at the moment you know Charles team radio engineer now changing to
the new one and the the changes in communication and you might think it's a small thing but it it definitely pays you back the fact that it's gone from we are checking to we already know Charles like we're all good like we've got this in hand we're not interested in this just focus on the job and yeah I couldn't
do that. I'm just a little bit more of a player for how what he's done in the small amount of time that he's been team principal because he can't make changes from day one but we're starting to see that now sort of drip into yeah his leadership style. I just occurred to me that his race engineer the new race engineer has got one into record.
That's pretty significant isn't that that's incredible. That's taking the numbers to suit the answer you want isn't it yeah yeah he needs to show it will go down as a season progresses less shall goes onto an incredible run. Matt you mentioned it there about the the the points difference of where of where we are after the monoco Grand Prix so I've got here 31 points between Max and
the ball just 24 points now in the constructors championship so it's a burning it is it fair to say that that we do have a potential title fight on our hand this season. Yeah it's interesting I guess I like a lot of people I sort of thought you know in the head like looking at the numbers of you know Max is running away with it again he's you know one of the vast majority of the beginning of the season and then when you knock at the numbers
post monoco suddenly it's like actually he races in it's a lot closer battle than we've ever had you know red ball of genuinely lost monoco you know the last two races.
McClellan have been right there with them you know obviously McClellan of one one red ball of one one but it it is going to be much tighter fight and red ball don't seem that confident going forward and that's really exciting for us watching at home you know a part of that parcel is the fact that for our I have two guys regularly very close together on track and regularly taking good points
and and those types of things will stand them instead for the rest of the year and that's where red ball really needs to sort of you know start questioning things a little bit because the car is still the fastest car you know down most tracks is still the fastest car appreciate not right monoco and we've got a lot of questions to ask
as a development year that you know the vast majority of the year of the height is out of us if the car and red ball continue to improve or if the car and then for continue to improve then red ball or in trouble.
When you cast your mind back Matt to the first four or five races got the gaps here from forstappen to Perez so 22 seconds in Bahrain 13 seconds in Saudi Arabia obviously DNF in Australia 12 seconds to Perez in Japan it is almost a bit we've almost kind of gone in two different halves haven't we have this first bit of the season there was a bit where it just look like Max was going to win everything and we were in for
with all respect to the max and the domination that we've seen from a fairly long season now it's quite exciting just on the base of that.
It is I mean my expectations and most fans expectations were all right this is going to be of a staff and 24 win world tour that we're going to see in 2024 we were very convinced that red ball were just going to dominate and now as Bernie says you look at the championship standings you go hold on you know we're one DNF away from very very close and of course that one max DNF has shifted things a little bit closer
but it's fascinating you think okay red ball don't suit Monaco but you actually look red ball have not had a very good month you have Imola Miami Imola and Monaco and they've looked beatable in all three of them and then you think okay well when we go to more traditional tracks maybe they'll be better but you also wonder okay well if they haven't suited the last three which are all very different tracks how many are they going to suit between now and the end of the season
and of course you McLaren brought a whole host of upgrades Ferrari as well I've read today that if red ball have one more big incident they might have to cancel an upgrade later down the line there's plenty of things that could go wrong here because I mean Paris is crash cost of millions I think so there's lots of little factors that could genuinely and I'm not trying to say there's just a hype up the season
because I'm in absolute bewilderment that we're even talking about the championship fight but I still think it's in Max's hands what I will say is that I actually believe McLaren are going to be stronger over the rest of the year I kind of wrote them off a little bit into Monaco thinking it's not going to suit their car it's slower speed corners it's going to be Ferrari but they were right there again and then you wonder okay I'm a
McLaren going to be there every single week but Landis a little bit further back so plenty to play for and as you can tell I'm quite excited yeah it is it is really exciting and Bernie when we're talking about these tracks that suit and don't suit the likes of red ball could you is there one track on the
calendar that you would say that is a sort of bog standard formula one track if you're fast there you're kind of fast anywhere is that would that be fair to say well I think the track that everyone looks to the baseline track as Bartolome which is obviously only two races away you know that's a
good variety of corners there if you like maybe not so much like that we've got rid of this sort of final to key in but there's a good variety of corners there and that's the one that people are like you know Canada that's coming up was very much all about
straight line spade which we know red ball should be dominant in the interesting thing with what Matt said there about you expect to progress was McCarran you know Piaštry should have beaten Charlotte Claire and qualifying in Monaco he had three better sectors if he put them
together a few mistakes in each lap just meant that he was nump old and he was p2 and the race would have looked you know we would have been having a very different conversation there but Charlotte did the job and got the three sectors together and beat land or beat them Piaštry in that way so I think that the the war with the big worry for red ball is they started the year with this very different concept car to what we've seen
before and we were all a bit surprised that they'd changed the car in any way give it a high strong carpe more to like they were CD style and now we're starting to hear little things like we're not quite got the correlation right or not quite getting upgrades it work and as expected all these little
things with a different concept car are not guaranteed you know I seen the different concept I thought oh that's a risk and then you see race one and you think oh they've nailed it again you know I was absolutely get my hopes up seeing a different car that was
incorrect and now we're starting to see that actually maybe they are struggling the poteaus upgrades on that might be maybe you know really optimistic or whatever but there's small signs that they're not not as comfortable as they were for sure is is that Matt though perhaps down to the pressure that they're now under in the sense of I guess there isn't there are other teams catching them now so it's they're not going to have it all their own way
they're going to have to start making decisions more under pressure which I guess then is a true test isn't it of a formula one team of which direction they go yeah it is weird the things that have come out about the red ball philosophy and sort of more recently about the fact that they
actually have realized that the ceiling to their development is a lot lower than perhaps they had originally thought and so and it kind of is testament to what we've seen in Bahrain they were so clear but the other teams are catching up I would I wouldn't probably say it's
down to pressure I think it's more the internal carnage that is going on in red ball at the moment Adrian new E leaving there's lots of unsettling things which won't affect potentially when it first came out because the cars good but as you carry on
throughout the season and you've got a lot of uncertainty then I'm sure they are going to be yeah I mean added pressure that way but yeah it's absolutely fascinating to see what what the other teams can bring but they are this Ferrari and McLaren you cannot underestimate
them I think the one thing for red ball that is a bit of a settling factors that Max first happened does not feel pressure like the local do an iracing race at the same weekend as as in the look he he it will perform to what that car can bring but the car isn't giving him
advantage that that we saw at the start of the season Bernie just that the final thing on this perhaps is just the comments from Max across the weekend about about his his ride not being able to ride the curves in a way that some of the perhaps the Ferrari or the
McLaren looks a lot more comfortable doing so how big an issue do you think that could be in the races going forward I think as we move away from street circuits than not you get better so you know the whole arrow platform the philosophy the red ball is very much
prioritized arrow mechanical sympathy comes second that's always been the way they've had the best arrow performing car now on a flat smooth surface high speed corners that's easy to achieve on a bumpy track a street track a track with very aggressive
curves much more difficult to achieve so you know Canada can be quite bumpy I think a time so there is potentially that you know potential there because it is a temporary tracks are first really and Barcelona should be a lot better so we'll have a mix but
anything that sort of a street track or where there's that sort of unsoul will be struck out now there is more margin in those other ones or is more margin in Canada to sort of have slightly different line or whatever there's not that the problem with Monica was there's no margin the wall is
right there so if you don't be confident in the car and you're taking any sort of extra margin because of bumps are unsoul then you lose a lot of time and whereas the tracks were the walls aren't so close then you can potentially start explore the limits a little bit more
fascinating it's going to be very very interesting I guess got what we're saying earlier we sort of keep waiting for this ultimate track where we're really going to see a fair performance of the red ball but yeah we've had three very different
tracks all seem to be we seem to have a much tighter field now which which as we keep saying is very very exciting for us and that in Formula One all right I want to want to get into talking about Monica is a race and there's been certainly it feels after this race this
year the most discussion I've seen in many years about the future of Monica is a race and it's standing now in the calendar in in 2024 25 going forward Matt you said in in your bit at the top that you as a ardent Formula One fan even you were slightly tested on
that on Sunday with with that race and few stats here you know the top 10 finished in their grid order that's the most in Formula One history the most before that was was only six and there were no overtakes in the top 10 for the entire 77 laps of the Grand Prix of course there are there was a mitigating factor of the red flag and the red flag meant that tyres were changed and because tyres were changed it meant we didn't see the strategy play out as it would have done without the red flag
but Matt I'll come to you on this first do you still think Monaco is a race that we should be keeping on the Formula One calendar yes yes Monaco deserves to be on the Formula One calendar but I will say that Formula One can't just leave it and be happy with what it is you know that there has to be some kind of changes of course you can't really change Monaco as a track I think that the last corner definitely could be a little bit altered because the way in which is off-camber unsettles the car
there's hardly any opportunity for getting a run out of there and then the short straight with the RS which is useless in turn one so perhaps there's a small tweak you could make with that to make it a little bit smoother and a little bit easier to get round and get a run
but I think that the Formula One need to basically look at it and go okay the Monaco we've got enormous cars here how do we make the interest the race interesting throw in these little gimmicks potentially to make it a little bit more interesting
and for those that go I don't want gimmicks in Formula One we've got DRS that's a gimmick so why don't we have just something a two-stop mandatory pit stop or something just to throw a different tire compound something to make it so that we actually have something to watch here
I think also obviously there's a conversation around the red flag and the rule there but that's not specific to Monaco but just there needs to be something tried we're doing sprint races that's a gimmick and we've got six of those let's just have a shorter race on Saturday there are things that Formula One are willing to do and I think for people to tune into Monaco and actually be genuinely interested over 78 laps of what everyone most people are calling a procession
have a bit of fun with it try something I would hate to see Monaco be dropped from the calendar because qualifying is the best session of the year without a doubt there is no more exciting thing to see than an on board of a driver just to the absolute edge of their limits going around Monaco but the race definitely needs something for sure can't have it all can you Saturday and Sunday both being abstaining Bernie when you were obviously working with a team
what was the feeling in the team about going to Monaco is it a race you actively look forward to because it obviously does have a lot of quirks and challenges doesn't it it has a lot of quirks and challenges I wouldn't say look forward to it is it's a task you know you feel more pressure at Monaco
it's very small not for this race but very small differences in pit stop for example of a really dramatic fact when you're finished a position again it's slightly wrong there's just no margin to recover it so that brings more pressure you know the logistics of being there
they got a rage the setup of the pit wall all of that is just not great it's really trying on the teams and that's most most of the reason that you actually don't enjoy enjoy it as a race is just trying to get from it to be through all of the spectators
and famous and all this sort of stuff you know you're just feel like you're wrestling away with a lap trop through lots of people with glasses of champagne so it doesn't feel great from that side but you know and there are plenty of races in the year where you watch qualifying and yes it's exciting but it's not Monaco qualifying and you know then those races maybe have better races on Sundays so for me you know the entertainment comes from Saturday
if I'm to prioritize a session of Monaco it's I will watch qualifying on Saturday and that's partially one of the reasons why I don't think it should be split you know that a lot of talk of should qualify and be like the junior series and two different sessions whatever I don't think so I love it as I is in one session you know if we were if we were to do if someone said what we need something for tomorrow for Monaco what we're going to do I just get rid of the reason of the second qualifying
like to something you know you know make it like I want to the one lot of units of saying that that is the most interesting thing it's always going to be difficult to overtake for me the problem is the weight of the cars size of the cars we need to be you know
they don't represent what we have as a car and there's been a lot of talk even in the automotive industry that the size of the cars or produce a lot or too big for our roads you know we've all had that count parking the parking space because the cars are too wide whatever it is like we need to reduce the size of everything so we need to be pushing in that direction in order to get these cars more nimble and you know as a whole we need to look at that I think
and what about the Bernie the event itself because it is just certainly on TV it is just spectacular it's the French Riviera it's all those amazing things it's normally the first time we see Europe in a formula one season it really elevates it I think from that perspective as well
yeah it does and you know it's a beautiful part of the world and you know the satin with the Harper and the boats and everything is just you know it's so abnormal to most of us you know everyday life it's so different or everyday life and that makes it really interesting to watch and see and you know even the circuit and you really see we have a lot of discussion about is it the cars that you know the strategist or whatever monaco is a driver's track so you see the driver's
question you see the pressure that they're under it doesn't come down to just someone on the pit wall was a load of numbers to sit on what pets start making a difference in the regional okay the rest has question marks over but it was easy to understand we've had many races were from the outside looking in with a strategy that's going on
it's very difficult to figure out what the hell's going on so it's about that balance yeah and Matt I guess with 24 races now in a calendar this is the age old question isn't it yeah Silverstones Monsters Spars the traditional formula one tracks they're kind in my view there's kind of
room for everyone you know you wouldn't want to have 24 monocos but you probably wouldn't want to have 24 Suzuki's maybe you would maybe some people would argue that would be actually really good championship it probably would to be fair but is they not room for for everything
in that in that in that calendar well Stefano would say so he'd probably say that let's throw a few more in let's get it to 30 so yeah there is room for monaco and of course everyone is going to complain because at the end of the day they're watching a race and it's it was dull there's no two ways about it so I can understand the frustration I think it's just a level of we all know that monaco is not probably it's probably not going to produce an absolute world the other race
unless we have a sprinkler rain everything you know thrown up into the air but it's having that level of understanding but this was probably one of the worst races I've ever seen so I can understand the frustration but that was purely down to the fact the one thing we had to look forward to in the race was taken away and that was the pit stops and then it was literally just a procession so yeah the one thing that we had to keep us on the edge of our seats
somewhat wasn't there so I can completely get why people have been quite negative about this one from a TV perspective our audience figures of sky were big were bigger than a lot of the recent races that we've had so perhaps does just go to show that people still really really do love monaco but any one of the interesting questions that I guess that that red flag threw up was the issue of changing tyres under a red flag
the fact that you under the current rules can do that I think we said earlier Liz that's not just a thing for a red flag in monaco that's obviously the case across the whole season do you think that's something that needs to be looked at
if that wasn't available to the teams how would it look different yeah so there's a lot of discussion there's always been a lot of discussion about the red flag you know we've had a dare I bring it up I would have a 2021 or whatever this team discussion happens as well
so there's I see a lot of the logical reasons why we changed tyres under red flag if you think of this week and Joe went very slowly through all the debris at the end got round to behind the red flag if he's to start in those sires like that's a massive safety issue issue and if you if you if you have a rule that says okay you under the red flag you don't change tyres but you can change tyres if you've a puncture then you get under the okay like how do we properly prove that we've a
puncture now that might seem really simple to a lot of people but actually these cars these tyres the pressures are quite low respective to your real car so actually to tell statically that there's a puncture is very different to when the cars go in flat out
you know either times up behind a safety car we can't accurately tell that there's a puncture but then when the car starts to go up full speed with it's obvious so there's that issue so then I started to think well okay what if you can physically change tyres but you have to be on the same compound so if you're in a medium before you're on a medium after now that would work except that in momico people only had one medium and one art so they couldn't stay on the same compound
so again that doesn't really work and there's many reasons and I think I think the overriding safety thing of he needed to physically change the tyre under a red flag will still exist and I totally on board with that you know even simple things that come in that slowly and go on back
I it's not easy to get that right maybe we need maybe we need to say that if you've only done you know the one or two laps that we've seen in momico and then there's a red flag that doesn't kind of your pit stop and you still need to do another pit stop later on in the race
so whatever the case I'd be there I think there are ways around it equally at momico if we didn't have the hard tyre monico and we only had the soft in the medium then that red flag would have helped those that started on soft because they could have ran a medium to the end but anyone that started on medium couldn't have ran to the end on the soft so we would have had a much more interesting race so having three compounds in monico you know it's a bit of an outlier
but seeming some other tracks as well and meant that both compounds could come to the end and that's actually a took away our race it's a fact that it didn't matter what your start strategy being both were able to make it and so there's loads of little things I can do but you know I don't think we're going to get away from a safety side of not physically changing the tyres under a red flag so many factors Matt I can see nodding your head do you agree with Bernie?
Yeah so I have absolutely no problem with drivers being able to change tyres that's fine you know from a safety perspective whatever let them all do what they want the problem I have is why does it get rid of the mandatory pit stop?
that's the part that I don't understand why that parts in the rules I get everything else because of course from a sporting perspective that then takes away a pit stop for a lot of people especially in this year of Formula One where we have one stops almost every single week
so for me just get rid of the mandatory side let everyone do what they want and then it will kind of settle that I believe so yeah that's the change I would make and it would have made at least monochole a bit more interesting and perhaps they want to put it in that if it's in the first ten laps or whatever but I would just say look it doesn't count as your mandatory pit stop I'll know you've not gained from this because you still have to pit again
but that's Formula One we have lots of different factors that can affect people's races and I think this is another one that does need tweaking and we've had some really exciting red flags recently if that's not a contradiction in terms where actually it's completely reset the grid or it's really like burst into life a race in a lap 50 or a lap 55 whatever with more laps to go so yeah I think there's definitely a case for keeping the changing of tyres
right just one more story really to wrap up before we go and that's the Ocon story after Canada Matt's raising his eyebrows this is trying to summarize what happens so Alpine Bros Bruno Famine said there will be consequences after S1 Ocon collided with teammate Pierre Gasly
in the opening lap of the Monaco Grand Prix we understand skyscrapers news understands that it's under serious consideration Famine said we're going to have to make a tough decision but Bernie this would be highly unusual wouldn't it to see a team do this to a driver it's a very public dressing down of a driver's actions yeah it is so immediately the strategist and we went to think it in my own story started in March went to think it in my head which race would I rather take a 10 please
grid penalty is a Canada or Barcelona because I know 10 5 he is going to have to take that whatever race he rejoins you know the regulation is that that drivers next race not the teams next race so he will have to take it so you know is there something to be
played there in terms but it's pretty it's pretty harsh but the back of the grid is brutal and when you look at how the race finished like Gasly got one point for the team that's half of their points for the year that moves them off the bottom of the championship they're tied with Williams tie the points at the back of the field particularly for those four teams at the back are very difficult to come by and those points would be a massive difference at the end of the year and this was
close to you know one of our first rails is do not hit your team here you know we've seen so many examples over the years of where that happens you know we've had Red Bull crash in back in my time you know the four sende is racing points very keen to crash into each other as well but it's absolutely at that back of the field points are so so valuable so I get it but this can't have been the first discussion that's happened about it there must have been more stuff
going on in the background before we got to this point but I understand the reason in but it probably would be pretty harsh contract runs out Matt doesn't it at the end of this year it's quite strong quite strong move from Esteban to to be doing something like that on the opening lap of Monaco at that point in the track especially when apparently he was told not to and there were team owners and he shouldn't have done that so it was I mean the actual incident
self very strange for Ocon to have done that we saw that Miami that was the greatest side by side action I've ever seen in Formula One I don't know how they got through that sector going side by side all of that you know very tight
and twisty corners I think they use their token of luck there and Ocon was like oh we can do it every week and then clearly not so I can't see this happening from many perspectives as Bernie mentions Alpina fighting for their lives just trying to get off the bottom of the constructors pretty much
but also contractually so is there something in his contract that if you crash into your teammate you you might be been off for a race I could it must be a breach of contract if they do actually been him off and that will cost millions so from that side as well it doesn't really make too much sense so yes I think Esteban would have had a stern talking to I think Bruno Faman has obviously steam's been coming out of his ears when he's seen his two drivers come
together whether he should have publicly said that I'm not sure because now Alpina will look like they've backed down if they don't give him any consequences so from that side and an image perspective of the team it's not going to look great if they don't follow through with such massive words
to say you know your team principal always says and back to your drivers no matter what to say that publicly was was a massive statement so they've got a decision to make but I can't see them Ocon's a great driver gasoline Ocon are a great driver pairing they just don't work together too well
as a teammate pairing so yeah I don't think anything will change for Canada but let's see yeah I forgot about the Miami instant actually yes always been brewing maybe for a little while Bernie do you think do you expect Esteban to start to be on the grid for Canada I'd be I'd be surprised if they if
they mentioned for Canada I think it's sort of agree with map that you want your best possible option of getting points from both drivers in the day and they have a good driver pairing the ideal thing that you wanted a team like that is if one driver's not pick up the points to other drivers right
there and actually the drivers have been pretty close and qualified and recent and too close you know but that's that is the way that that team is going to best score points but they need to be pulling together it both in car development you know when supporting each other we've seen you know
has this year when you look at the points are where I had in the points because those two guys have been working pretty well together you know we had the instant early on in the year where Kevin was holding up traffic for Hulkenberg that sort of teamwork is what's going to get the points and
they need to be together on a dozen seem like they are the minute points mean literally prize money don't they inform your one and that's obviously crucial the further the further than you are and just don't tell you about what's coming up on SkySpa Seth ones we got a weekend off this weekend and
then we're going to head to Montreal in Canada the week after next you can get every session between the seventh and ninth of June before Sunday's race at 7pm Bernie Matt thank you so much for your time excited for Canada it's going to be a good one I think isn't it we're going to finally see it's
going to be the race that we're going to see who's closest Canada's always always a good race and it's very very different to Monica so it's going to be really interesting yeah I think Ferrari would be quick again so the illusion levels at an all time high yes the level of optimism on this
car start I'm here for us but it's been brilliant let's let's hope we don't yeah let's say we stayed that way throughout the season thanks for your time both of you we'll be back next Tuesday to build up to the Canadian Grand Prix hope you can join us then bye for now