Hello and welcome to this week's podcast. I'm your host, Evan Brand. I'm board certified in holistic nutrition. I'm a functional medicine practitioner. I've been working with people for the last decade, helping to resolve the root causes of their health issues. After my own struggles with IBS throughout my 20s,
I had mood issues. I had gut issues. I had skin issues. You name it. I've been through it all. Mold, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia. I mean, I love being out in the woods. It's hard. You're going to get exposed to ticks, mosquitoes. These things can transmit infections to you.
that can totally derail your health and most of these infections go unrecognized by conventional medicine luckily with these advanced functional medicine labs that we use we can uncover these hidden root causes to your health struggles i work with children of
all ages. I've seen six month old babies off the chart with mold. I've seen 11 year old kids suffering from ADD, ADHD. They can't focus in school. They're having digestive problems. I see women in their twenties that are having fertility problems. I see men and their
fifties, having erectile issues and chronic fatigue problems. So I see it from literally birth until the very, very end. And I'm super honored and blessed to be able to help so many people around the globe. Lost count, but thousands and thousands of cases now.
Over 30 million downloads, we crossed the 30 million download mark of the podcast. So here we are 12 years in. So thank you so much for being part of this. I'm just very grateful for the opportunity to give you this information. Today we're interviewing JW Biaba.
friend of mine who owns Immunolytics, which is a very, very good mold testing company. They use Petri dishes and they have other testing methodologies as well. This is a cheap and effective way to get a really good overview of your environment.
They can give you a health score where they show you specifically what is growing and how much is growing in your environment. I consider this a critical tool for anyone that wants to be healthy and a high performer. Your home, your office, your school, your car, if you're a pilot.
airplane maybe like literally you can test these environments and determine what is there now i just got off the call with a woman she sent me some crazy photos this morning of just full body hives she has every symptom of histamine intolerance and mass
activation in the book. Her diet's extremely limited. She's reacting to everything. She's flaring up and she has no idea what's going on. She's noticing that a Zyrtec is helping her. And so when we see these crazy issues, 20, 30, 40 symptoms long, Typically, it's going to be a mold problem driving mast cell activation. That was a huge part of my story. So please don't ignore water leaks, water damage, musty homes, musty basements.
floods that have happened you have to be crazy about your environment's air quality if you're not you're going to suffer the mold weakens the immune system it allows bad bacteria to thrive those bad bacteria affect your brain chemistry. You end up with depression and anxiety. It affects the mitochondria. You end up with chronic fatigue, infertility, potentially birth defects, miscarriages, and many other problems. Men and women are affected in different ways. And so please don't ignore that.
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per day. I just told her keep taking it, keep drinking it until you're going every day. We have to have daily bowel movements or you're not going to feel well. Without further ado, let's get into the podcast with JW. Welcome back to the podcast. We're here with JW of Immunolytics. JW, this is like maybe three or four podcasts in now, so you are a living legend on the show.
Yeah, it sounds great. I'm glad to be here. Yeah. All right. So we got a bunch of questions. We're going to get to those shortly. But first, what's going on in your world? You guys are testing bacteria now. You've been testing... mold using petri dishes for what two decades three decades how long now
Easily, yeah. So just commercially, at least 20 years, but it's been a little longer ever since I was a kid. My first bioremediation project when I was 16 years old essentially used the same type of plate. So it's not new technology. It's just the way... we implement it.
That's cool. Okay. And then now you're doing bacteria. What's the deal with bacteria? Yeah. Well, so, you know, we've always known that mold is like the atom bomb of indoor air quality. It creates the worst destruction and the most widespread destruction, but there's other biologic threat.
So what we're trying to do is use as large of a fishing net as possible to evaluate environments. We're concerned with the environmental hygiene, just kind of like personal hygiene, making sure that your environments are clean. And a lot of the mold world, they're really focused. on water-damaged
building materials, which is absolutely a huge problem. But there's a lot of contributing factors that could make you sick within an environment. And of course, bacteria is one. Most people think of it in regards to infection, which is the big one, you know, staph aureus.
or whatever it may be. But it also can create the same type autoimmune symptoms that we see from mold. And so looking at bacteria, knowing they produce endotoxins, you know, we just thought we better focus on that and add it as a complementary service to our mold test kit.
That's cool. Okay. So if I do like five plates now, it's actually going to be, you said it's a different agar on the Petri dish. So can I do like a combo then? Can I do like, let's say if I wanted to do, I don't know, three and three, four and four. I could do four mold, four bacteria.
Absolutely. So we started with a quick check plus kit, which is five mold plates and three bacteria plates and one swab because we want to look at the dust or potential sources of mold, but really focus on the mold and just add bacteria. It's just another glimpse into your environment.
Okay. And so bacteria, I mean, when I think bacteria, I think, okay, somebody had explosive diarrhea and they just destroyed their bathroom. That's bacteria. I mean, is that right? Or where's bacteria coming from? Sure. So, you know, the obvious one that...
pretty much no one can argue about is any type of blackwater event. So we get sewage backups into our house, or if we have flooding, you essentially have to assume flooding contains fecal matter because you never know what's washing in. Those are the obvious ones. Of course, if you look at...
biofilm like in sink drains or shower drains, that's full of a toxic soup of this microbial contamination, mold and bacteria. So what we want to do is minimize any of these foreign actors that really shouldn't be in our environment so that we don't expose ourselves. and potentially get an infection or just suffer these autoimmune type symptoms from the exposure. Weird. Okay. So...
Do you have any case studies, any examples of a family that was affected specifically by bacteria, maybe bacteria and or mold and just how that affected them? Yeah, well, you know, we don't have a whole lot of case studies on this other than our personal.
look at it, but we have numerous cases. I mean, the most common is you've got teenagers that maybe aren't bathing as often as they should be, and their rooms show real high levels of bacteria or from certain pets. They're contaminating the environment, so you're not picking that up on the mold.
test kit, but we're seeing it on the bacteria test kit. And so we're able to address those issues in lower levels. Now, can I say that directly that has improved health or has prevented this and prevented that? No, but this has been in use in hospitals for over 80 years. This is how they monitor environments to assure that the infectious agents aren't...
higher than their threshold. So we basically instituted those same hospital limits so you can evaluate your environment and kind of see where you fall. So that's the overall thinking of it. It's not a new test. It's been around forever. It's just a quick screen.
give you a biologic indication that's cool so y'all funky teenagers that's what's uh that's what that smell is when you smell those dirty sheets sure diaper genies and humidifiers those are two more problems that really contribute a lot of bacteria nasty those things are nasty it's like okay let's come up with a technology that's so good that we're gonna literally just allow you to have a pile of crap
In your house constantly. In your house. Oh my God. Yeah. And then humidifiers, obviously that's a disaster. We've done shows on. dehumidification many times you know i love my whole house dehumidifiers which actually did i tell you about that that dehumidifier deal tell me i don't know dude that was scary okay so we we so we were tripping a breaker
I'm like weird okay we're tripping a breaker get the electrician over and he's looking at it he can't figure it out either and he's like well maybe this breaker here's too sensitive we're gonna swap it out for this single arc instead of the double arc I'm like okay you know sounds good enough to me well
That's not a good idea because more sensitive breaker is a good thing. And so because we put the sensitive breaker in, that wasn't killing the breaker like it should. And there was apparently a... cable on top of the compressor inside of the dehumidifier box that was just melting away and because all your duct work is connected to that within like 10 seconds of that thing melting the whole house smells like it's just burning up
And so luckily we caught it quick. I ran up there, we took it apart, opened it up and I saw the melted cable. Luckily it was covered under warranty. So thank you for that. That's a Santa Fe product. I think they're out of. I don't know why they're called Santa Fe when they're not out of Santa Fe. But anyway, so they warrantied it. And now we're good. Now we're back in business. But dehumidification is...
an important part. Let's talk about that briefly. We'll get to questions soon, but let's talk about dehumidification just in general, because, you know, one question I get from a lot of people is, okay, I know excess humidity is bad. Evan, you talk about this all the time. But I still want to open up my windows. I still want to open up my doors. Isn't fresh air good because of off-gassing and VOCs and furniture and carpets? Like, aren't I supposed to open my windows?
Yeah, it's a great question. You know, if we really were able to kind of introduce this advanced topic of water activity, that's the water that's available for bacteria or mold to grow. And so just like honey has some water in it, but it's bound up.
it doesn't spoil when you leave it on your shelf the same kind of goes for the building materials so introducing humidity for a short period of time may be fine but that humidity exists for long enough and those microbes begin to grow and that's where it's a problem so you really want to control the humidity in your house long term if you
have short bouts of high humidity, that's understandable, like when you're in the shower, but you want to consistently keep that humidity low so that you don't have that microbial growth. I did a video about the shower the other day.
showed off the hygrometer those videos always go somewhat viral which is fun educating people about hygrometers they think it's like this crazy technology it's just so it's like six bucks and anyway i was showing how just in a short shower you can get up to 70 75 percent
Now, that's what the exhaust fan running and then it'll run for 10 minutes or so and get back down into the mid 50s. Now, what do you say about people that are doing hot showers every day? You've got to the point where you've got a window in or near around the shower that things fogged up and you're doing this daily. Can that become a problem?
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So you just got to see how much, well, just imagine how much drywall is absorbing. And so if you have a quick blip of humidity, there's not enough time for that water really penetrate into the drywall. And that's where the molt's really going to grow is on the paperback.
of the drywall or the wood inside of the wall. So if it's just high humidity that's on the surface and gone in a few minutes, it's really not that big of a deal. But if you keep that humidity up high long enough, it's a problem. In the case of my house, I use these, I think they're Panasonic. Sonic ultra quiet exhaust fans and they pull like a hundred CFM. It's a ton of air. And so my, my mirrors in my bathroom never fog up. It would take.
four back-to-back hot showers before I saw any fog on the mirrors. And that's kind of how I judge my humidity levels. Hygrometers are the best, but just the mirror test is easy. If your mirrors are constantly fogging up and you're having to wipe them, your humidity is too hot. You got to do something about it. Whether you're opening windows or turning on exhaust fans, just get that moisture down.
Wow. You know what's interesting to me is they don't tile on the ceiling. It almost seems like it'd be smarter to tile the ceiling above because we went somewhere. It was a fancy hotel we went to, and I was like, I cannot believe this. The whole ceiling. Is like right on top of your head. Very, very enclosed. Full glass panel. And it wasn't even like mega hot. And that thing.
was so moist it was dripping from the ceiling in a short time i'm like this is crazy you have a whole hotel room with potentially hundreds of units like this like how is this not going to become a toxic building Yeah, you've got it. It happens all the time. They don't move enough air in most hotel rooms. So hotel rooms can be bad for that reason. You know what? They didn't even have an exhaust fan in there. That was the craziest part. I'm not even talking.
not in the shower i'm talking the entire bathroom had no exhaust fan i'm like really Yeah. And it was a brand new, it was a brand new hotel though. You would think like it's everything. It wasn't a retrofit like 1940s hotel. I mean, this was like brand new, like really brand new construction doesn't have exhaust. Like how is that even code? Yeah. I hear you. It happens all the time.
So you would think, do you know anything about that? Is there not like a code for ventilation in buildings? Like when the EPA estimates there's 85% of commercial buildings that have water damage, like what's going wrong? Yeah, there are codes, codes for air coming in, air going out and balancing it, but I don't know those codes well, so I can't speak to that. Yeah. But you think those numbers are accurate? EPA says 50% of residentials, moldy, 85% of commercial.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just a matter of how moldy, right? So there are certain levels that we can handle through our natural detox. And then everybody's different, of course. I mean, you talk about this all the time. You do a great job just getting this message out there. But it's just a matter of how much is too much.
And the government really hasn't made that assessment. And if they did, unfortunately, they'd have to shut down most of their buildings. So I don't see any regulations there anytime soon. Oh, God. How moldy do you think the White House is? I bet there's problems. And that affects your cognitive. I mean, let's talk about that. I mean, you've been in the industry long enough. You can't give me the, hey, I'm not a doctor excuse not to answer this.
What have you seen? What have you heard? What kind of stories, marriage issues, potential issues between the spouses, one not believing the other? Just give me a little bit of backstory on that in terms of the emotional, mental.
cognitive effects. Sure. Well, you know, it's funny because I've been in the industry long enough that you think this is known. It's just so common that you think everybody knows this. But absolutely, I mean, the top two symptoms I would say that we see from mold exposure would be brain fog.
and chronic fatigue. I mean, there's a lot as you well know, but if we're just talking about proportion, those are probably the number one, number two symptoms that we see. So it absolutely affects your thinking. It absolutely affects your reasoning, your emotions.
We've had many people that have told us that they were getting divorced because usually it's the wife that's sick and the husband doesn't believe her. That's the most common scenario. But there's just always this like you're sick, but I'm not. We're in the same environment. That's not possible. So we hear it all the time. How about the kids too?
Oh, yeah. Kids are a big thing. You know, the kids are fascinating because what we have found with kids is they bounce back so much easier than adults. And so if you get them out of a moldy environment, usually they can do a lot of healing on their own just by being out of the environment.
when you talk about the symptoms there, you know, the kids don't recognize it or they don't process how or what's affecting them. And so they're just usually moody, a lot of attention deficit type disorders, maybe some difficult learning. inability to handle their emotions. I mean, you know, I've listened to your videos. You talk about this a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Kids, well, you know, they don't know how to verbalize it as well either. So, I mean, it could manifest as...
potentially anxiety or panic or, I mean, it could be full-blown pans where there's like an autoimmune attack going on where now you're seeing sensory issues, you're seeing anger, irritability, you're seeing hitting, biting behavior at school if they're getting exposed at school, for example. Kids are flaring up. You'll see bedwetting more common. Sleep issues are more common. Definitely chronic fatigue in the kids. Dark circles under the eyes. Just a pale color. Just a poor complexion overall.
But tummy pain is a big one. My belly hurts. My belly hurts. I mean, that was my oldest when she was two. That was her deal. That was her thing. And sure, there's other factors for that. There's food sensitivities. There's dairy. There's gluten. There's other things like that. But in her case.
Out of the environment, boom, she's better. She's better. I agree with you. It does appear and it makes me look much better as well as a practitioner. It's great because the kids get better so much faster that I look like I'm a better. provider even though i'm doing the same protocol i would do on adult just different dosing and such and so
I think it's just because of their thymus. I've read a lot about the thymus and how by the time you're mature and you're aging, your thymus is pretty small and not very active. But when you're young, your thymus is just this incredible immune powerhouse that really helps regulate. the whole system and also as you know too like we are we can be our own worst enemies
And kids may not have as much of that negative self-talk and pity and poor me and I'm so sick and this boohoo thing that people do. Whereas kids are just like, I just want to feel good and play. Very interesting, man. That's solid. I mean, cause you talk about the nervous system stuff with people too, right? You get stuck in fight or flight and these toxins are doing it, right? So, I mean, can you talk about that with me for a minute? So people, I don't think they understand this idea that.
Your life could be on paper pretty good, but with these exposures, your nervous system is having a threat response. Sure. We just need to think about it as poison. So even if you ate the perfect diet and drank perfectly clean water and even breathed perfectly clean air, if those poisons are introduced into your body, they're going to affect you. In this case, it's occurring by breathing.
Since there's really not a whole lot of filtering mechanisms when you breathe something, it goes straight into your blood. And so then you can have systemic effects. You can have localized effects. It just depends on the person. Didn't you tell me? I'm pretty sure it was you. On the size of a postage stamp could be a million spores. I'm not sure a postage stamp, but it's probably a lot more than a million.
It's probably like 10,000 on the head of a pin. And so if you kind of extrapolate or interpolate that data, it's a lot. So billions probably on a little small section. Mm-hmm. Good lord. Okay, so let's just roleplay for a minute. Let's say you have a water event, and maybe…
It took two weeks for everything to dry out. We've probably got some growth on some paper backing here or some wood, some studs, something like that. But then everything after that is dry. So a month later, it's not still wet. everything's dried up, maybe you're down to 10% if you probed it with a moisture meter, everything's pretty dry, then what? Like, what is the problem then compared to the acute? Well, I think the first is consider that what's...
happening with the mold so it's very much like a dandelion and so if you have changes in pressure in your building it's going to blow out throughout your house mold's going to travel just like dust does so wherever you see accumulation of dust that's how mold would accumulate
And then any type of mechanical activity or changes to ventilation gets it up in the air and then you breathe it. And so what you want to do is eliminate that source. You know, we always talk about dilution as the solution to pollution. If you're able to bring in fresh air.
that helps dilute it out some. As long as you can get up as much as possible physically, which is microfiber cloths, HEPA vacuuming, and we use microfiber, of course, wet wiping, so you're not re-suspending the dust. Those are ways in which you minimize exposure. But it's always, always, always important that you remove the source of the mold. And so wherever that is, that proper remediation is best. At the same time, though, protect yourself by...
Making sure you breathe clean air. So that's cleaning up the dust, maybe wearing the respirators and 95 masks, something like that, and trying to reduce your exposure. Okay. So is it safe to say that... Mycotoxins are going to continue to be off-gassed even long after this is finished and it's dry and there's no more water issue. It just happened, everything grew, and then boom, we thought we moved on.
Sure. And, you know, I did a boiling point analysis of mycotoxins early on in my career, which basically determines how volatile they are. And I found a lot of the mycotoxins I tested, the volatility was right around the range of naphthalene. Naphthalene, most people know as mothballs.
So if you can imagine the smell of mothballs, that's off-gassing naphthalene. And so mycotoxins with a similar boiling point means they're going to off-gas similarly. So a lot of people say, oh, well, you get exposed to the mycotoxins by breathing the mold itself, the spores or the fragments.
Totally true. But those chemicals can actually off-gas as well. So even if it's hidden within a wall, you can breathe those MVOCs and mycotoxins that have come off from the mold growing or trying to protect itself. And how, I mean, is this just in...
Is this just infinite off-gassing of mycotoxins just forever? I mean, is there ever a point where it's like so damn dry? Like if you lived in, let's say you lived in Vegas and you got 6% humidity out there, you had a plumbing issue, you had mold growth, and then everything... was dry. Like, is it still going to just keep going? Just keep farting out mycotoxins?
Well, every chemical would have what we call like a half-life where half of it is still in existence. And so if you think of like a cologne, it's reapplied every day. Hopefully not to your listeners because we know the difference.
dangers of fragrance. But you can imagine how that fragrance, the effectiveness or the scent of it decreases over time. It would be true also of any type of volatile or even semi-volatile organic chemical that over time it's going to reduce. Now, I've read a lot of the mold.
blocks. And this has kind of been my experience too. So if I was shooting from the hip, I would say usually about five years later, a lot of those toxic effects have decreased. Doesn't necessarily mean it's safe because it was all spores. Then the spores get wet, they grow again. Doesn't matter. it's been five years or a thousand years, there's always a potential for that mold to be reactivated. But as far as the chemicals themselves, they do off gas and the amount of them decreases over time.
That's wild. Okay, so you're saying like a dandelion, these things can lay dormant. So you're saying if there is an issue there, let's say everything dried up, but then drip, drip, drip, you have a problem again, that's going to reactivate what was already sitting there brewing.
Sure. So there we'll think about mold like as seeds from a tree. And so they can just sit in the ground and just be there living, unactive, dormant, until the moisture comes, and then it'll start to grow. It's the same with mold. Good Lord. And that would be considered... The spores or what would the dormant phase be? Yeah, the spores are really the part that activate and grow in new areas. So mold can grow from some of the fragments in some of the cases, but usually it's the spore.
Okay. What do you think about these mold dogs that are getting popular? There's a lot of videos. I don't know if you've seen this, but a lot of people are posting these videos now. Some of them are going kind of viral. It's like, I have headaches. And then it shows a picture of the mold dog and he'll sit by the tub and like, that's him. What do you think?
Total mixed results. So just like a human's nose, the dog's nose, it's more sensitive, but it still smells some things, doesn't smell others. So if the mold is actively growing and putting off those chemicals in which it can smell a lot of the MVOCs, there may be terpenes, alcohol.
Hall's ketones. It could smell those and indicate that, but we've had numerous remediators and inspectors around the country who have said a mold dog indicator problem here. We opened it up. There was no problem. Other times it's, Hey, a mold dog indicated right here. And we absolutely. found the problem so there is value but they're not 100 successful that makes sense okay
It's always German Shepherds, it seems like, too. I'm like, doesn't it need to be a bloodhound or like a duck hunting dog or something? Yeah, I see a lot of abradors, too. Labs. Maybe they're just, they're too soft. We need like a, I don't know, what's the best sniffer?
It's probably those, is that a bloodhound, the one with the giant ears? Yeah, I think you're right. I think the bloodhound would be the magic ticket. I mean, cats are pretty intuitive. Is there going to be mulled cats? I mean, maybe they can signal to us somehow. Mulled birds. I mean, there's got to be something.
Yeah. The only problem, man, I love my dogs. Like I don't want them going around sniffing mold and getting sick from it. You know, that was actually, I agree with you. That was kind of sad when I saw that. I thought these poor dudes are getting carted around as a moneymaker. You know, I'm sure it's helping people. Sure, sure. But at the end of the day, it's like these dogs are going in toxic environments. They're going to end up with cancer, tumors. What all have you seen in regards to pets?
Well, we've had numerous pets that have died from cancer, and then they find mold. It's usually in the laundry room. They say, oh, the dog bed was there in the laundry room. The dog developed cancer. Now, is that a direct causation? No, but we have seen effects. And of course, pets carry a lot of mold. And so those who are mold sensitive, when you go to pet your dog or cat, then you're just...
sending those spores and fragments into the air and breathing them. So when we're talking about somebody who's ultra sensitive to mold, they need to minimize the mold on their pets as well.
that's great and we have some links that we'll put for you guys so there's pet shampoos we can use and i want to just talk about the the fog solution some of the misting solutions the candles that we sell i showed you that video that candle video went kind of kind of crazy let me tell you what it's at now because it's pretty wild but you said that these are effective these oils that we're using are effective for both bacteria and mold correct
Sure. Bacteria, mold, yeast. You know, I did a lot of the product development, again, early on in my career for a lot of those natural botanicals. And I found that if you could affect aspergillus niger, you could affect anything. And that was kind of the toughest one to deal with. yeast that was fairly easy so they do reduce the viability or the the aliveness of the mold bacteria but still we don't want to lose sight of those
carcasses need to be removed from your environment. Just like you wouldn't leave a dead body in the middle of your floor, you can't leave mold spores and bacteria everywhere. So that's where that cleaning comes in. Yeah, well said. And so that video now has got 617,000 views on it, 22,000 plus likes. I didn't really think people would care. It's kind of interesting. Like it was one of those videos where I posted and I'm like, oh, let's just see. People are going to like.
I don't know. Do they care about this? They went crazy for it. And so we sold out a bunch. And so I'm happy to know that we're seeing good results even in people that are very sensitive, even if they can't fix everything right now.
That is at least buying them some time. So I just want to call out like in these situations where, you know how it is, you get these huge novels and it's like, oh my God, my plumber and this and the pipes and the mold and the what do I do? This is not going to fix all that.
But this is a tool that's going to help buy you some relief. So hopefully you're not suffering so much that you have to evacuate. Some people can stay in there while they can fix everything. And then some people can't. Some people got to get out. Sure. And that's really where we consider those maintenance items or polishing processes where they help improve their quality, but they're not, it's not like a magic wand where, you know, you just wave it at a 3000 square foot mold.
Home and all of a sudden everything goes away. It's just an aid or a help Could you just talk briefly about the comparison between misting, doing wet mist solution with oils versus the dry fog, just in terms of penetration or potency? Sure. And there's one important point I'd like to make on that too, is that, you know, a lot of our clients are multiple chemical sensitivity.
Just as I'm sure yours are. And a lot of that is started by the mold. So they go to use some of these essential oils and they put off so many VOCs that it actually sets off their chemical sensitivity. So what you're talking about, these other products aren't actually essential oils. They're citrus.
seed extracts and so that seems to not have as much effect on people who are chemically sensitive so it works pretty well for them you know to try and lower the levels of mold bacteria yeast without setting off their chemical sensitivities so i wanted to
that point but again ask your question again because i already forgot it no no that that's important i'm glad you did because i actually did get a lot of comments like that i mean i was trying to keep up there's literally 17 000 comments on that candle video and so i was trying to keep up with as much as i can and
A lot of people are like, well, why can't I just use Young Living? Just tell me what the ratios are. You know, it's lime, it's lemon. I've got those on hand. I'm just going to diffuse my essential oils. It's not the same thing. No, it's not. Those are leaves primarily, correct? On the essential oil side. they're going to be leaves versus these are going to be seeds. Yeah. I don't really know the extraction process and what they go after for each oil, but yeah, it is different.
I've seen them. If you look on the bottle, like a typical essential oil, it's going to be like a lime leaf. I mean, it could be from the fruit as well. But those, as you mentioned, those are way more fragrant. And I experienced that. I guess it was probably... Maybe six years ago now, I remember trying to diffuse actual essential oils, and they were way too strong. Versus in the fogging solution, there's a mild hint of it, but it's...
pleasant. It's not overpowering at all. Like your average person wouldn't go in there and think it smells like citrus. Sure. And we see that too. There's a product called Benefact that are probably a lot of your listeners are used to or familiar with. And that is a...
thyme oil and the reason that product really was developed is because that oil is on the generally regarded as safe list that epa has and so since it's on that list it doesn't have to have any epa pesticide registration it could just be
taken through as a natural product, but we've had numerous clients that can never go back in their house after that's been administered because that smell is so strong. And so, yeah, you have to be careful on what you introduce in your home. The benefit is potent. yeah that stuff's way too strong i didn't react good to it yeah me either let's hit some of these questions here
So I appreciate you guys commenting on the little Instagram post here. You can check it out there. Mr. Evan Brand, you can check it out when we publish this too. If we put a clip there, we'll have you guys add more comments, more questions. If you have follow-up stuff for JW, he's always awesome about helping. Okay, so let's have some fun. Here's a question here. Yvonne asks, can a home get contaminated just by cross-contamination by another home?
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. If you think about your indoor environment, anything you bring into it can be a problem. I think of one of our local clients here who she was doing real well in her house after we helped her get it fixed, but she's a super sensitive person when it comes to mold. And she went to an estate. and bought some real nice antique pieces, brought them into her house, symptoms came up. And she said, you know,
I don't think it could be these, could it? And we went in and just swabbed each of those items and they were loaded with catomium and cladosporum. So she absolutely re-exposed herself by bringing items in. It's often far worse if they're fabric, right? Because the fabric holds on.
of that stuff so hard non-porous items if you are going to bring them in if they're old potential to be moldy then wipe them down before you bring them in i mean preferably don't bring anything in that you don't know but if you're going to bring it in you could just wipe it down fabric goods
like couches or beds, you know, those are different. You have to be much more careful with them. And how about clothing as well? All these thrifters out there. Yeah, that's a big one. Even used books. You know, you go to a used bookstore, if those were exposed to water, they're going to be moldy.
oh god man i tell you that's probably one of the worst places i've ever been it's like a used bookstore i mean that place for me is like you might as well just drink 20 shots of tequila you're going to feel the same like the cognitive effects of being around that amount it's crazy too as a kid i think those nasty yellow books you just flip through the pages
Love that smell. Yeah, even in my personal life, my wife and I were in San Francisco walking through a used bookstore. And from the time we went to the front door to about halfway through the store, she was already having symptoms from what we call her mold symptoms, which was. 30 seconds to a minute it took almost no time which means levels are pretty high for me it takes two or three days to react i'm not as fast so that was an indication we had to get out of that store what happens for her
For her, it was mostly IBS, so she gets almost doubled over. So difficulty thinking was one, but the stomach issues, the IBS, that was the big one. Oh my gosh. So all you folks out there going to your bookstores after your lunch, you're blaming it on the salad, but it's, it could be the store. Could be. That's wild. Okay. So let's go a little deeper on that one. So the cross-contamination by another home.
I mean, this I don't want to freak people out, but I mean, this is a reality like condos, apartments, townhomes. I mean, you have shared wall space. Yeah, absolutely. Contamination could come from anywhere. Here's another one that people don't consider. They're going to move into a new home, but there's a transition period. So they put all their things into a storage unit. That storage unit really isn't temperature controlled. They don't monitor humidity. And often they're very...
moldy plus you don't know what was in there before they contaminate their items they move into a new home bring those out of storage and they contaminate that new home yeah so what you need to look for then if you're going to do that is a brand new climate controlled storage facility yep ideally God, it's crazy. Okay. Let me ask you this too. I'm just picturing this cross-contamination thing. What if you've got like a home next to you?
Sure. Anything in which the air is potentially shared, right? So if they cook something next door and you can smell that cooking, well, then the air is communicating. So if there's mold problem somewhere else, it's going to be right into your townhome, apartment, whatever.
it may be so yeah use those natural indications like smell to indicate you know the way the air moves in the building you know it's funny i went to mammoth cave years ago famous long i think it's the longest cave i don't think it's the biggest i think the biggest cave is in vietnam but i think mammoth cave is the longest cave in kentucky which did you ever go or no no okay man you have to go over there i'll go with you but
It's like three, maybe 400 miles that are mapped now. I mean, I'm sure there's hundreds or thousands more, but it's at least over 300. And I didn't feel very good in there. You would think I would because it's just like rocks and moisture.
I'm like, I don't know. I mean, because you'll get a lot of breezes because there's these different channels and different tunnels of the cave. So it just it seemed like to me it'd be pretty pure because there's not decomposing leaf litter down there. There's not. wet soil typically it's pretty dry and sandy in most parts of the cave but i wasn't i didn't feel too good do you have any experience with that or caverns or anything like that
Yeah, well, part of it has to do with tolerance. So once you've been sensitized, you're just more sensitized to anything that's similar. Anything underground, and this is why basements are often a problem too, is you just have natural biologics in the soil. And it's not bad for 99% of the people, but if you get exposed to that and you've been sensitized, anything can trigger these symptoms.
underground, there's just not as much natural air dilution as you would potentially like, and you have constant incoming VOCs, semi-volatiles, any type of odors coming from the soil itself. And so it can set off your sensitivities.
Well, not to mention there was also like 100 people on that tour, which is why I like to go solo or with my dad. We used to go in these private caves. That'd be the funnest because it's just you and a couple other people. But there's 100 people in there with laundry, dryer sheets, and you're just all in this cave together just smelling their laundry.
Yep. It's wild. Okay. Here's a question. Jamesy, how important is it to send in the plates versus just counting the number of spots? And she's asking to know the types of mold versus counting the number of spots.
yeah and that's totally up to the people right so there's always this balance between cost and information and you want to have the information necessary to make a good decision but sometimes people can't afford it so the idea of self-analysis is you can count the colonies and see if you fall within it the health range you want to be in or not. So if you're at five or more colonies, well then...
Do you want to know what's there? Or is that enough information for you to say, hey, I'm going to do some of these maintenance strategies or remediation strategies to lower the counts. So that's the intention of the self-analysis. Now, when we're talking about the actual laboratory analysis, we know we're in.
incubating under proper conditions to get the proper mold growth. We're having analysts professionally analyze these to determine what type of mold is there. And that gives us an indication of maybe what the problem is. For example, if mucor is there, that usually... takes a long-term water leak of some type that's been present for a long time. If it's Candida, well, it could be coming from people or pets. So there's just other...
indications by the genus of what the problem could be. The most valuable part of doing a lab analysis with us, though, in my opinion, is that consultation that we do, where we look at the results, we give them an idea of what could be the problem and potential next steps to take. So that's really where the best value is. Cool. Very cool. What to do with swamp coolers?
Yeah, swamp coolers. That's a big one in my neck of the woods. We actually did an article series on the Immunolytics blog site about how to live with mold risks. Because I go around and say, well, swamp coolers are a ticking time bomb. They're going to eventually get you. But I have one at one of my ranch houses.
You know, it's just, it's a good way to cool. The difference is that I maintain mine every two weeks. So at least once every week to 10 days, I just drain all the water in it, make sure there's fresh water in there. I have a bleed off valve so that I'm constantly taken out. old water and bring in a new water. And then about once every two to three weeks, I hit it with a hydrogen peroxide. I just take a 12% solution, add about a cup into the swamp cooler and it treats all the pads.
It's possible. Of course, my family and I, we've been healed from this mold exposure for so long that our tolerance is a lot higher. And so we can handle little hits of mold. But the swamp cooler, when I maintain it like that... Doesn't bother me. So again, that's just living with the mold risk, knowing your sensitivity and what you can actually handle. You know, split, mini splits, those are a problem too.
Sure. Yeah, they grow mold right on the coils or on the fan. You open them up and you'll see the dust, debris, and mold right there on the inside of it. So it can be a problem. Is it possible if you fog your home and you're doing it nice and thick and you're sucking everything through your duct work that you could actually in a way...
like clean your ducts with the oils as opposed to doing a quote duct cleaning, assuming there's not like giant chunks of drywall and stuff in there? Well, it's kind of a yes or no. So would it affect the mold to make it non-viable? Yes.
Would the mold carcass still be there? Yes. And so there's no substitute for the actual cleaning of something, whether it's the coils or the fan or whatever it may be. If you see any type of debris or dust on it, it should always be removed. It's just a maintenance item. If I leave my filters for the return vents in while I'm fogging, am I reducing the effectiveness of it?
Like if I've got like a MERV 6 or something in there and I'm leaving the system, the fan on, and it's going to suck some of that through into the ducts. I mean, in theory, is it better to take the return filters out? Yeah, we always recommend taking the return filters out for that reason because some of it will adhere to the actual filter itself. Plus, it's a good excuse to change out your filter because we typically don't do that often enough anyway. Yeah, well said. Okay.
I mean, I could answer this question, but I will get your two cents too. What level of mold is considered harmful to health? That's a can of worms right there. Who are you talking about? What's their history? Do they have lime as well? Do they wear toxic laundry? Do they live in a crappy environment?
Almost impossible to answer. What's your opinion? Yeah, so we've developed a health scale based on doctors who had seen numerous patients over several decades. And so that represented where they felt. the limits should be for most of their patients. But we've had other doctors that say we want to use half of that range as our...
targets for our clients. So we've had some people in which the doctor says, you've got to be on a mold plate, zero to one colony per mold plate. That's extremely difficult to do. It is possible, but it's very, very difficult. And so it just kind of depends. on the person, their sensitivities and where they are in the recovery process. Okay, well said. But you'd say in general, what level of mold is considered harmful to health? You'd say a five or higher on your Petri dish report.
Yeah, five to eight illness is possible. Nine or above illness is likely for those who are susceptible. Okay. Yeah, well said. I saw a young girl a few weeks ago. Her bedroom was like a 41, primarily aspergillus. I'm like, good Lord. Yeah, that'll affect anybody. It doesn't matter if you're susceptible or not. Oh, good Lord. Okay. Of course, we've covered this on every other podcast, but we can give it a minute here. How does the Petri juices, the plates, compare to an Ermey?
Yeah, there's no comparison. Yeah, so ERMI, you know, it's a dust test. It looks at 36 species, whereas what we're looking at is more like 37,000 species. So we're using a much larger fishing net. Does that mean that ERMI is worthless? Absolutely not. There are molds like stachybotrys and catomium that don't grow on plates well at all. And so ERMI is good at picking those up. Those who interpret the ERMI results properly, not relying on the health scale, they get good, valid results.
from it. And they've had good solid remediation and success stories using ERMI. So I don't discount it, but it is, it's an expensive test. You know, in the science world, you got to have at least three samples to generate any type of statistics. So if you want to have statistical confidence on your environment, you're looking at at least three samples. Well, with Erme, you're talking about $1,000 to do that. And most people aren't willing to spend that. They usually just take one.
sample throughout their house analyze that and they go oh my gosh i have a problem or no i don't have a problem And it's like, well, if you do have a problem, where is it? Okay, now hire a mold inspector to come out and try to find it. So the process, although they do do it well, I know a lot of guys that love it. It's a very expensive process. So it just depends what direction you want to go.
Okay. There's also like the Emma, you got Hurts Me. I've heard several others. So it sounds, I mean, they're all just different flavors of testing. I think if you have enough problems and you can budget it, do it all because. I mean, cancer is expensive. Like one vial of chemo is like 10 grand and these things are carcinogenic. So if it's your whole family suffering, it's really worth it to try and get as much data as you can.
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, certainly I want everybody to hear me say that no tool is perfect. You know, science is an absolute. What we're doing is using indications of potential biologic problems so that we can fix them. And so whether it's ERMI or gravity plate, they all have their limitations. You just have to use it properly and get the best data you can. Here's a lady. Why did all of my mold plates come back empty? Not a single spot on growth in eight plates.
Super rare. It happens if houses are really great. But when we see that, usually we'll request of the client to resample and we do it for free and just see if it was something erroneous with the way they did the sampling. You know, like people maybe put the lid. right side up and the plate upside down and don't collect anything. And so that is absolutely a red flag that goes, something's not right here and we should retest.
If she didn't and she used us, then feel free to reach out and we'll get you a new set of plates and we'll do the testing for you. Cool. That sounds fun. I was thinking like, did they just have crazy air purifiers on? They forgot to turn off during the sampling process or something like that.
Yeah, it could be. And those are questions we would need to ask. So, I mean, I've got your purifiers everywhere. I did turn mine off before I did the plates, but only maybe for an hour. Is that long enough or not? Well, we suggest six hours, six to 24 hours is best because you just want everything to kind of equilibrate and get a good representation with the air is without the air purifier. Okay. Okay. Any idea on how to help kids and teachers in moldy schools?
Oh, man, that's a million dollar question because schools are bad. And so what you want to do is treat each classroom is your own space. So if the teacher is in there, whatever they can do to affect that space, if it's carpeted, you really want to get the carpet clean as often as possible to get all that.
nasty mold spores fragments bacteria that's being caught in there if you've got an HVAC system that's constantly blown in there maybe you could put a filter on each register in the classroom or put in a standalone air purifier to try and help out And then, of course, ventilate as much as possible. You know, we talked about the use of some of these natural botanicals. They absolutely help. The problem is if the problem is so large, they may not be enough. That's an issue.
So hopefully schools are getting wiser to this. And we have a lot even here in New Mexico that are proactively looking for mold problems. Hopefully that happens. Hopefully it's getting enough buzz that the administrators will start to listen. But each teacher just has to look at their environment and see what they can do to improve that classroom.
Yeah, I told you my teachers for my kids are pretty cool. So I followed the school. But I told you they upgraded the smoke detectors. And last time we didn't set the smoke detectors off. And then the fire truck, you hear them ripping down the road. And they were like, man, if you do two false alarms, we're going to bill you. And so they were kind of like, oh, please don't like I had to basically stop mid fog. But I at least made some progress in the school.
Yeah, it does. It helps. It didn't set off the sprinklers though. I mean, it's like, okay, here we go. Trying to do something good. And then we set off sprinklers. That'd be bad. No, the sprinklers are heat based, not smoke based. So that's why it's okay. Okay, great. That makes me feel better.
Yep. Could you imagine trying to do something good like that and you just flood the place? Oh my goodness. I don't want to think about it. All right. Here's Caitlin signs. There's mold on your sub floor under your hardwood or your laminate. Like what are the signs? Yeah. Yeah, that's actually a super good question. And it's very tough to find that without some type of destructive testing where you cut up a little bit of the floor and look underneath it. So if you have water, you.
know it got below your flooring and maybe on your subfloor you really need to look into that you know within a wall cavity you can just take a wall check sample where you drill a quarter inch hole and pull a vacuum
vacuum and collect a spore trap that's very good for those interstitial spaces but when you have a flooring right on top of a subfloor it's very difficult to find without looking at it so there you're going to depend on smell you're going to depend on the error for results and if you have a suspicion, you need to do some destructive testing where you're pulling some floor. Okay. Okay. This person here, my body's reactive to chemicals and mold, but I feel overwhelmed. Where to start?
Ooh, another great question. Yeah. So the idea is you have to just reduce your exposure, whatever you can do. And so knowledge is power. Number one is read up as much as you can about indications. We have a do-it-yourself inspection. blog on one of our sites where we just kind of teaching people what to look for. You walk into a restaurant, you see all the registers are covered in dust and they're all black.
probably don't stay there, right? If you look up and the ceiling tiles are all stained from water, that's a good indication you shouldn't be there. And then trust your body the way you feel. I mean, I've described numerous times that I've not heard anybody else.
have this interpretation but me. But when I walk into a really moldy place, it feels like a cave to me. I just get this sense like the walls are kind of closing in slowly. And so whatever that is that indicates the mold problem to you, avoid that.
So avoidance is number one. And there's even that mold avoidance Facebook group. It's very successful for those who are willing to do it because if you get away from the mold, a lot of times you will recover significantly. The problem is that we have to live our lives. We have to go to...
school we're going to go to church or our gym wherever we're going to go we potentially could be exposed so number one is just get knowledge understand what you're being exposed to and prevent it that's number one after that there's a lot of different treatment strategies detox strategies
which you're more qualified to talk about than me. Sure. Yeah. I appreciate that. And that's the thing. It's like, okay, sure. You can go out into the desert and sleep in the tent and you're going to feel better. Everybody's going to feel better. But what happens when you get back to the...
to the reality. And especially if you're colonized as well, and we'll see that on organic acids testing, if you're not addressing that internal colonization, you're going to travel with this stuff. So maybe, yeah, you will feel better because your bucket's not continuing to be filled, but if you're still colonized or there's still internal issues.
and you're not pulling those out using specific binders and the tools we use in the gut, you get back exposed again, you're just going to feel terrible again. Yep, great point. Colonization is a big problem. yeah we see it all the time i mean literally and the testing is getting better too which is which is exciting but it's like which i'm kind of biased right the people that are seeking me out know they've had exposure in a lot of cases but i'd say
Five to seven out of 10 people now show colonization on the oat for Aspergillus specifically. And Fusarium's on there as well. Maybe there'll be more molds we can look at, but those are the only two so far on the urine. Yeah. So that's cool. Okay, let's see. We had another one here. What is the best attic and or crawl space setup to prevent mold? Ooh. So in those cases, the best is to turn those spaces into livable spaces.
places you'd be willing to sleep in at night, which means proper ventilation, proper humidity control, making sure there's no type of water staining on any of the building materials, that type of approach. It's much more difficult to do in a crawl space than it is in an attic.
And really to get to that level, it's very expensive. I mean, I know a company in Colorado, they charge $14 a square foot to do a crawl space right. And in that case, they're covering it with a 90 mil poly, overlapping it so that there's no breaks where air can get through.
running up the walls of the crawl space and then... sanding and treating all the crawl space wood that may be under there installing a dehumidifier and an air conditioning system so it's basically like another livable space and it works wonderfully it's just most people can't afford that and so then you have to look at alternative like creating negative pressure with a fan or something to try and get that air out and prevent it from getting into the livable space. I mean...
Duh, the air below you and the air above you is going to affect you. I mean, you go up in your attic and you might even have a little peek of your living space. So it's crazy to think that we just ignore these places and we act like they're just some like separate place to store dinosaur bones. This stuff is not...
separate from your home in most cases. Absolutely. And when I talk about knowledge and really knowing your building, what to look for, people should be aware of the stack effect of homes in which the air always rises through a home. And so your lowest space, that air is absolutely. you can get into your breathable air. And that's why crawl spaces are such a red flag. That air will be in your breathable air and it exits out the top of the house.
Yeah, I'm on a slab now and just the mental, I know slabs are not perfect. I've heard of people having slab leaks and stuff, but I love a slab compared to a crawl space. I agree. Okay, wow. And then what do you think about... I mean, down here, there's a lot of houses on pilings. So the houses are elevated in some cases, like enough to drive a car under. They do typically spray foam underneath all the wood and stuff. But what do you think about that? Is that a higher risk than a slab?
Just more moisture? Or do you think it's so sealed away that it's okay? So it's usually pretty good in that you do have the airflow under the house, but there's always that problem between the insulation and the subfloor that you have to be concerned with. So, you know, as far as air movement from the soil and getting those contaminants out, it does well, but it's not.
perfect because there's still those spaces where mold can grow. You have high humidity outside. You have that spray foam there. If that mold is able to grow on the subflooring, that's a problem.
Yeah, I mean, and I've crawled under some houses and I've seen where they did a good job. I guess you would just call it on, we'll call it the ceiling of the subfloor under the house. But then on the edges, the wood's totally bare. And I'm like, wasn't all that moisture and stuff going to seep right there? Sure. Yep. Gosh. Okay. Well, anything else you think we should cover? I mean, this is a lot of good stuff. Anything you think we missed or we should hit on?
Well, last thing that came to mind is when you talk about being in the attic and being able to see in the living space, anywhere there's a penetration through your drywall, you should seal it. I mean, it just improves air quality. And when I talk about sealing it, I buy a roll of that aluminum duct tape.
from Home Depot and I'd take out the light bulbs of my can lights and I just seal up all the holes there. I take a cheap... tube of caulking a silicone caulking and caulk around any hvac penetrations like registers returns whatever it may be if you have ceiling fans light switches outlets they make foam gaskets you can get for like
15 to 25 cents a piece at Home Depot, put them in there and seal it up. So you don't want any air that's not properly maintained or conditioned coming into your breathable air. So by sealing up your space, you are improving your air quality.
Yeah. So, okay. So on the can lights, I mean, you've got, let's say a six inch can or four inch can that's going up into the attic there. You'll see sometimes a little bit of a gap where that can has sagged a little bit. So obviously you try to push that up tight to the ceiling and then you're saying you would actually.
Do some caulking on the living side. On the living side, I would. And then inside of that can, you know, there's just a bunch of little holes for maybe attaching screws or whatever. And I just put aluminum duct tape over those so that that air doesn't communicate.
Okay. All right. That's great. Well, we'll put the link in the video, or if you're just listening to the audio, you should just be able to type in evanbrand.com slash Petri, P-E-T-R-I, and that'll take you to the site where you can order some of these kits on your own. You can look at the bacterial kits. You've got the swab kits. You've got the petri dishes. This is not that expensive. Like your subscription to Disney plus is going to be more. So just.
So investigate, investigate, investigate if you have children, especially if you are trying to have children, but you're suffering from infertility or you're considering IVF, which I've heard is $20,000 to $30,000. I know you've heard this as well, but we've seen many cases of people that...
supposedly can't get pregnant and then we detox them of mold and then boom in the middle of a protocol they get pregnant and so we know it's in the literature type in mycotoxin sperm you could read about the quality and the motilities affected the reduction of the quality in both the
male and the female fertility. So this is not just affecting females, it's affecting the men as well. We're just mostly too stubborn or we just don't feel it as much as the women. So it takes both partners to really look at this. get their body examined, get their environment examined, test your car as well. I went and test drove a car the other day. Yes, for fun. Yeah, I could smell it within two seconds of that air kicking on. I'm like, nope, can't do it. So.
Cars are not exempt to this problem either, and the fog works amazing. I appreciate your advice on that. It does make you have to clean the inch out of your windshield a little bit, but beyond that, the fogging is pretty easy. Run the heat, run the air conditioning. You say, what, 10 to 15 minutes each?
yeah that's plenty okay and then if you think the cabin filter is contaminated if you did buy an older car a used car where the cabin filter just doesn't seem fresh replace that i don't know i mean i've never removed a cabin filter while doing the fog i've just left it in what's your suggestion on that
Yeah, that's a good point. I've always left them in too, but you know, pulling it's always going to be better. And again, it's just an excuse to change that filter that we forget about. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. Awesome.
Well, great. Well, folks, if you all have any questions, specific issues, you can reach out directly to Immunolytics. They'll help you. Customer service team can give you some advice. There's also the consultation available if you end up doing some in-house sampling. But hopefully...
this helps you all and this points you in the right direction of getting your family better. This is one of the biggest epidemics that's happening on planet earth. I estimate there are billions with a B of people suffering right now that have no idea. They're completely naive, ignorant, uneducated about.
this and they're running around to the neurologist for the dizziness. They go to the gastro doctor for the IBS. They go in for their headaches and get their migraine pills. I was at the gym the other day. I saw a migraine pill and the ladies all dancing after she pops her pill. It's like, what's the cause of your migraine?
It's not a deficiency of that pharmaceutical. You see people going to the therapist for the depression. You see people taking antidepressants for depression. You see people going to marriage counseling for marriage counseling. And really mold could be putting its nasty little hands in every single aspect of this body system dysfunction from head to toe. Well said, man. That's great. Yeah. All right. Well, take good care. Good to see you. You too, Evan. Thank you. Cheers. Okay.
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