Let the Women Lead
In this bonus episode, hear the full interview with Pashia Thomas.
May 31, 2022•31 min•Season 2Ep. 5
The Elusive Dream Podcast
Urban Arts Digital
What is the elusive dream? The Elusive Dream Season One is a conversation between sociologist, Dr. Korie Little Edwards and clergy, Pastor Rich Johnson about the intersection of race and religion. Together, we seek to uncover the hidden forces in our society that deepen racial injustices.
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The Gift of Song and Feminine Energy
In this episode, Dr. Korie and Ps Rich lift up a woman’s voice in the conversation about mobilizing the black church. There are both historical and current events that confirm their essential role.
May 16, 2022•31 min•Season 2Ep. 5
The Black Leader as Mediator
In this episode, Dr. Korie and Ps Rich discuss the complexities of the mediator role of black church leaders. It’s an important role that challenges leaders as they serve and mobilize the community.
May 03, 2022•37 min•Season 2Ep. 4
A New Generation of Black Leaders
In episode 3, Pastor Rich and Dr. Korie focus on challenges that a younger generation of Black pastors face when trying to mobilize the church. They discuss their interview with Pastor Taelor Gray, who is a local pastor, hip hop artist and podcaster. To make progress in the community, leaders need to become more in touch with their community. Do we have ears to hear?
Mar 21, 2022•40 min•Season 2Ep. 3
Smart Suits Tattered Boots
In episode 2, pastor Rich interviews Dr. Korie on her latest book, Smart Suits Tattered Boots, released February 1st. The Black Church is uniquely equipped to mobilize for racial justice, but what factors contribute or hinder their effectiveness? Join the journey today!
Mar 07, 2022•28 min•Season 2Ep. 2
Welcome Back
In this first episode of season 2, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich are back and share what they’ve been up to since last season. They’ve got exciting news to share as the Elusive Dream continues to build a beloved community.
Feb 21, 2022•19 min•Season 2Ep. 1
Come to the Altar
In the final episode of The Elusive Dream Podcast, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich reflect on the discussions and interviews of the previous episodes. What’s next for our growing podcast community? Where do we go from here to pursue the beloved community? Come join us at the altar.
May 17, 2021•41 min•Season 1Ep. 8
Strength to Love
In episode 7, Dr. Korie interviews Pastor Bryan Loritts on his experience leading a multiracial church as a person of color. Along with insight from Pastor Rich, they discuss the need for a strength to love in the midst of the struggle for justice. Show Notes: Episode 6 Recap (2:43) Leading a Multiracial Church as a Pastor of Color (6:01) Woke White Christians (12:47) Dr. King/”Strength to Love” (21:49) Finding Hope (28:07) How do You Take Care of Yourself? (32:43)...
Apr 26, 2021•44 min•Season 1Ep. 7
Rev. Goatley discusses the Black Church
This bonus episode is the full-length interview from Dr. Korie Little Edwards and Rev. Dr. David Emmanuel Goatley. The Black Church has a historical and relevant perspective on matters of justice. Shaped from the crucible of racial segregation, what does the Black Church have to say about injustice?
Apr 12, 2021•1 hr 10 min•Season 1Ep. 4
The Religion of Whiteness
In episode 6, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich engage updated research from guest, Dr. Michael Emerson, author of the culture-shifting book Divided By Faith . Current data suggests that the racial divide has gotten worse, not better, in the last 20 years. What shall we call this divide? Show Notes: Episode 5 Recap (:52) What’s going on with our white siblings? (3:26) Why has it gotten worse? (10:11) Is this new? (15:53) Is there any hope? (27:30)...
Mar 29, 2021•37 min•Season 1Ep. 6
Truth, Reconciliation & Reparations
Recognizing that words have the power to create thoughts and form habits, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the ongoing debate about the word “reconciliation”. Is it still useful in this work of justice and multiracial community? Listen with open ears to their guest, Rev. Curtiss Paul DeYoung, an author and community activist with a long history on this subject. Show Notes Episode 4 Recap (:40) Language and why it’s important (3:30) How the church got reconciliation wrong (21:36) What is biblica...
Mar 15, 2021•1 hr 14 min•Season 1Ep. 5
The Value & Voice of the Black Church
In episode 4, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the meaning and relevance of the Black Church in the beloved community. They welcome the voice of Rev. Dr. David Emmanuel Goatley, the director of Black Church Studies at Duke Divinity School. The main question is this, “What do we have to learn from the Black Church in this conversation?” Episode 3 Recap (0:27) Personal Experience in the Black Church (2:04) Why do we even have a Black Church? (7:32) Black Church as a family (17:03) Black Church Th...
Mar 01, 2021•46 min•Season 1Ep. 4
White Patriarchy and Sexism
In this bonus content, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich have a brief conversation about the interconnection of white patriarchy and sexism that is linked to white supremacy and racism. How do we recognize these interlocking systems and address them structurally?
Feb 22, 2021•7 min•Season 1Ep. 3
Systems of Supremacy & the Stories We Tell
In episode 3, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the root of white supremacy and welcome the guest voice of Rev. Ines Valesques McBryde. The stories we tell shape our identity. What story should we tell about white supremacy and its effect on all people? Show Notes: Episode 2 Recap (0:53) What’s White Supremacy? (2:53) The Origin of Supremacy (10:30) The Curse Becomes the Blessing (21:02) White Supremacy and the Church (36:32)
Feb 15, 2021•51 min•Season 1Ep. 3
Which Comes First, Diversity or Justice?
What comes first, diversity or justice? In episode 2, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich answer this question by looking at the social impact of the Civil Rights movement. Jemar Tisby also shares a brief history of the impact of white supremacy on the church. We’ve come a long way, but there is still a long way to go. Show Notes: Episode 1 Recap (0:23) What comes first? The chicken or the egg? (1:18) Homogenous Unit Principle (3:02) Race and Homophily/Oppression (3:30) The Effect of Legislation & Law...
Feb 01, 2021•51 min•Season 1Ep. 2
The Dream is a Beloved Community
In this episode, Dr. Korie and Pastor Rich discuss the real dream of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the two obstacles getting in the way of truly living this out in America. Diversity has become the goal of secular and religious institutions, but is that the way to achieving the dream? Recapture your imagination for the beloved community of Dr. King and the faith that shaped his vision. (1:09) Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr (4:31) What's the significance of releasing on Dr. Martin Luther King,...
Jan 18, 2021•57 min•Season 1Ep. 1
Why Call the Podcast The Elusive Dream?
Why call the podcast The Elusive Dream? Meet the hosts, learn the story behind and purpose for this necessary podcast.
Dec 15, 2020•13 min
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