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119. Christmas Lights

Dec 22, 202521 minEp. 119
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Host Zachary Crockett discusses his podcast's hiatus before diving into the economics of Christmas lights with Dean Lyons of Bright Nights. The episode covers Lyons's journey from a $20 job to a nationwide company, detailing the logistics of professional installation, from light manufacturing and pricing to the shift from incandescent to energy-efficient LED technology. It also examines the industry's profitability, standardized designs, and surprising resilience through economic downturns, highlighting the emotional value of holiday decorations.

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Would you pay a professional $2,500 or more to put up your holiday lights? Zachary Crockett is walking in a winter wonderland.

 

 

 


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Intro / Opening

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Podcast Hiatus and Entrepreneurial Spark

Working on this show has been one of the greatest joys of my life. Over the past three years, we've done 120 episodes. We've written almost 500,000 words of scripts and have interviewed more than 300 people. Dinosaur fossil hunters, laundromat owners, school bus drivers, and toothpaste engineers. We've reached millions of listeners on six continents. Still waiting on Antarctica, by the way.

And I really hope our work has taught you some new things about the world. But starting in the new year, we're going on an indefinite hiatus. You'll still be able to listen to all of our old episodes, and we'll still be replaying the show here in the feed starting very soon. In the meantime, you can keep up with what I'm doing at zcrocket.com. That's Z as in zebra. C-R-O-C-K-E-T-T dot com. All right. Thanks for all the support. And I hope to be back soon with more.

It was a day in the winter of 1991. Dean Lyons was working construction, and it was no fun. I'm framing houses. I was probably making seven, eight bucks an hour, maybe. The guy walked across the street. And he's like, hey, I need you to use your ladder and pull the lights off my roof. I jumped down and helped him do it. And then he handed me a $20 bill. It took me literally 10 minutes. And I was like, well, I just made $20 in 10 minutes.

And that's really interesting because I'm slaving all day to make 50 bucks. A couple years later, Dean was pre-med. But the thought of Christmas lights still danced in his head. I'd taken all the med classes, studied for the MCAT, the whole thing. And I said, yeah, I'm starting a Christmas lighting company. And my wife's like, wait, are you sure you don't want to take a job that has health benefits and everything?

Now I'm doing Christmas, babe. We went to the Ace Hardware, bought the ladders, and just grabbed lights off the shelf. I found a guy who made me this cheesy little flyer. And then I walked around the neighborhood of some of the bigger houses in town. The phone just went off the hook. Within the first year of doing it, we did $17,000 in revenue. And that was in two months.

Lyons eventually grew his empire. And today, he puts lights up for many a buyer. There's a moment you transform people's houses from dark and dreary. And then you put lights on two trees and a roof line and some on the columns. You turn that on at night and people just go crazy for it. For the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is the economics of everyday things. I'm Zachary Crockett.

And don't worry, I'm not going to be doing this whole episode in rhyming couplets. Today, Christmas lights. In many suburban neighborhoods, you'll see signs plastered all over the place. offering to put up Christmas lights on your house. Some of these businesses are pest control or lawn care companies looking for a little extra seasonal income. But they're also dedicated businesses.

Scaling the Christmas Light Business

that make all of their money during the holidays. My name is Dean Lyons, and I'm the founder and CEO of Bright Nights Lighting Company. When Lyons launched Bright Nights in the early 1990s... Selling residential Christmas lighting as a service was a new idea. At first, he did local jobs in wealthy enclaves in Utah. Today, his company has branches in cities all over the U.S. LA, Bay Area.

Phoenix, we're all over Miami, up and down the East Coast, North Carolina, jumping up to Philly, all those areas up in the Northeast there, New York, Connecticut. In each city, Bright Knights has territory managers. sales teams, and hundreds of seasonal workers who put up lights. The company does some commercial gigs for municipalities and businesses, golf courses, hotels, car dealerships, and corporate headquarters.

But their residential jobs make up the bulk of the business. Professional holiday lighting is brutally competitive. And Lions has a multi-pronged approach to marketing. So we have a lot of SEO. We have a lot of... Google ads, paid ads, and then we're sending out hundreds of thousands of dollars of direct mail that's been refined for the right neighborhoods. The right neighborhood.

is typically a well-to-do suburb where people have more disposable income than free time. Lots of doctors, business owners. People don't want to do it themselves. They don't want to get on a ladder. Our direct mail campaign is built around home values. We have it down to a science. When you land a client in a neighborhood and their house looks great, does that...

then lead to snowball effect in that neighborhood? Yeah. We have cities that we own because of that. Anytime you get one good house in the neighborhood, lights turning on literally is your number one source of new revenue. For bright nights, Christmas lights are a year-round business. Through the off-season, we're ordering your lights, finding new recruits, filling out what territories or what new cities we're going to open. Every year, it seems to be getting earlier.

What's the earliest request you've ever had to put up Christmas lights? We put up lights in September. Summer's over. It's time for, you know, getting going on it. It really goes crazy after Halloween. As soon as Halloween's over, it's full throttle.

Professional Installation: Operations & Cost

During any given day during the holiday season, Bright Nights has 70 teams out installing lights on homes across the country. Like most lighting companies, They use their own commercial-grade lights. These lights are much more durable than the ones you buy at the store. And they also allow bright nights to save time sifting through jumbles of strings in customers' garages.

lost or you know piled up with dust and then we show up on november 10th and they're like oh my lights are way up on that top shelf and i got 50 other boxes on top of them so you got to dig them out and pull them down Bright Knights works at such a high volume that they manufacture their own Christmas lights in China. They order them in huge spools and cut them to the perfect length for each house's needs. On the roofline, it's a custom cut.

The guys just pull it off, cut it, bulb it up, and then install it and then wire it all in. A lot of holiday lighting businesses charge by total length, say $10 per foot of lights. Lyons chooses to estimate the cost of a job. based on the total number of strings it will require. We've tried footage. It's just really hard because it's just the way the guys install the lights. One guy might put in a little bit more of a space between the lights, and that throws it off.

Over the years, Lyons and his team have gotten pretty good at estimating how many strings of lights a house will need just by looking at it. But his team is currently developing a tool that uses artificial intelligence. We are going to develop a camera. You hold it up to the tree, and it will tell you the number of lights that that tree needs.

At bright nights, a basic residential Christmas light package generally costs around $2,500. That includes the lights, the setup, the takedown, and off-site storage of all the decor through the rest of the year. $2,500 job is a roof line, you know, a couple hundred feet of roof line, and that actually looks really nice. And then probably two 10-foot trees in the front of the house.

And then maybe some lights spiraled around your front columns. But some jobs are much larger. Lots of $20,000, $30,000 jobs, 50s. I mean, we have a client who spends well over 400,000 on his yard. What the hell does a $400,000 job look like? Yeah, it's... gingerbread style on every house on the grounds. It's a 300 acre parcel. So every window, every garage door, every peak on big house, you know, I'm talking big houses.

The garages, the detached barns, you're getting 30 foot tall Christmas trees that we fabricate and we bring them in and stand them up on the grounds. and lighting on most trees on the property. So when you drove in, it'd be almost like you're driving through your own, like a little town of decor. A job like that could take several weeks to complete. A typical $2,500 job.

can be done by a two-person crew in about two hours. We literally have mathematical calculations on how much each crew will install in a day. The roofline, let's see, 100 feet an hour. Guys in trees hanging 30 strings is roughly an hour. During a busy holiday season, lighting crews have to be extremely efficient to fit in all of that work. In fact, Bright Nights has an internal app.

You can look on the computer screen and see every truck that we have with GPS. You can pull up on the client's house and see how far they are through the job. and how much time they have left before they need to be on the next job. But optimizing for speed isn't just about how quickly the crews work. It's about standardizing the lighting design so it can be replicated consistently. That's coming up.

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The Evolution of Lighting Technology

If you walk around any American suburb during the holiday season, you'll eventually encounter someone like Chuck Smith. Every city has at least that one guy with the over the... top display during Christmas. I'm a Christmas light lover. For Smith, Christmas lights are a lifelong obsession. You know, when I was a kid, my father would always drive us all over town looking at houses decorated with Christmas lights. I became convinced that the people that decorated their houses with lots of lights

That just meant that Santa Claus would see their house first when he was making his rounds. And so that year, I remember convincing my dad that we had to decorate for Christmas. eventually became an electrical engineer. He continued to decorate for Christmas in his adulthood, and for many years, he put on one of the most famous Christmas-like displays in the country, at his home in the suburbs of Franklin, Tennessee. I was up to, I think the last count was 260,000 lights on my house.

People would come literally from other states. And I actually had people come from other countries just to see my house. And I was having to hire off-duty police officers to handle the traffic around my house. says the Christmas lights people put on their homes today have come a long way. When he was at the peak of his decorating 20 years ago, nearly all Christmas lights were incandescent. Those bulbs are illuminated by wire filaments that heat up.

And they use a ton of electricity. In the early days, when everything was incandescent, we always hated to go out and look at our electrical meters because a little top in there would be spinning it very, very fast. An electric company ends up liking you a whole lot. But these days, most Christmas lights, including those used by professionals, are LED. They use semiconductors to emit light and are far more energy efficient.

LED-based lights only use like 10% to 20% of what an incandescent light uses. You can put a lot more lights in your display and use a lot less electricity. A house with 600 feet of incandescent lights along the roof and on a few trees and shrubs used to add around $200 to an electric bill. That same house uses less than $30 with LED bulbs. LED technology also allows for more creativity. The newest innovation in holiday decor is something called RGB pixel lighting. RGB means red, green, blue.

So you can now control the colors of each light. People put up these things they call pixel trees. You have all these vertical strips to make it look like a tree, but each strip is full of pixels, so you can now start scrolling words and pictures and just about anything that you can think of. 20-foot tree, you end up paying about $70,000 for it.

Standardized Design and Logistics

But it's usually the case that amateur decorators like Smith are a bit more creative than the professional installers. Smith is also the founder of a website called Planet Christmas. which was at one time the largest forum for Christmas light enthusiasts on the internet. He's spent a lot of time talking to people who run Christmas lighting companies, and he says the professionals have converged on a very specific aesthetic.

The guys that do this for a living, they train all their people to decorate the exact same way. So you say you want to wrap a tree in lights, then we all know that the spacing between the strings of lights on a tree is four inches, which happens to be the width of your palm. And then if you put lights in bushes, you...

put them in a certain pattern up and down or back and forth. And the reason they do that is if there is a problem mid-season, you have to replace a string of lights. You can send another employee out to that site. The vast majority of professionally done installs are all white lights. If it's all the same color, then it makes it much easier on the company because they have to stock fewer unique parts. And usually...

The lights always outline the roof edges and always include the bushes out front and a wreath on the door. All white lights. It's a very consistent look. If you have a crew of people and you have 100 houses to install, you want to have that crew as efficient as possible. Dean Lyons says that more than 80% of Bright Night's customers...

Opt for white lights over color. And apart from the lights, most jobs just involve a wreath or some garland. It's kind of like the In-N-Out burger. We don't have a lot of different products. We do big jobs, little jobs, shrubs, handrails, everything gets done with just those few items. But a simple job can still be tough to pull off effectively.

Take, for instance, a tree in the front yard. We're going to wrap every branch on all the trees and there's not going to be any space that doesn't have lighting because it just looks magical. The more points of light that you look at through your human eye, the more joy you feel. You go out the branch, you come back down the branch. You go up the trunk, out to the next branch, to the end, then back down.

And let's say you've got like a 50-foot tree lit all the way to the top. Do you ever bring like a crane or something? Yeah, we have lifts on our truck beds. We do a lot of ladder work on trees up to 30 feet. Above 30, you should have a lift. Putting lights up is only one part of the job. The price that Bright Nights charges includes takedown, too. That usually happens in January or February. That's actually the best time of the year. The strike comes down quickly.

You can get a job down in an hour, maybe. That's it. They're just grabbing that stuff, rolling it up, and putting it in boxes. Those boxes are labeled and taken to regional storage facilities that Bright Nights maintains all over the country. We have a large storage space in every city and the lights go into a box with the name and they just get reused again year after year. What happens if the customer doesn't come back the next year? You have this...

perfectly cut string that fits one person's house that you can't use again, right? There's good business in recycling lights. You can get at some points a buck per pound or whatever because it's just all copper and you just get all that copper recycled.

Economics, Resilience, and Holiday Joy

A small local Christmas lighting company might just pay one or two guys minimum wage to drive around town. But at the scale of a company like Bright Nights, the overhead is much more substantial. We have hundreds of installers and... managers, so there's millions in payroll just on that. You order several containers out of China every year, you're spending seven figures to get all those lights here.

and then have those on the shelves in every city we do work in. 70 trucks on the road at any given time, fueling those trucks, you know, 60, 70, 90 days. Chuck Smith says a lot of lighting companies... particularly the smaller companies that pop up every winter, will encourage clients to sign three-year contracts to make the numbers work. The person doing the decorating.

Usually that first year, he's lucky to break even at all because he's had to purchase all the lights. But then the second year, all the... person is doing is just going out and hanging your decorations for you and by the third year you're just kind of ginning money left and right. It becomes quite profitable for these companies after a while.

After all expenses are considered, Lyons says Bright Nights typically nets a 10-20% profit margin. And that's not a bad business, considering that they do more than 2,000 jobs each season. at an average of a few thousand dollars per job. It's also, as it happens, a trade that holds up pretty well through tough times. Man, I have been through like three recessions. People still did lighting.

We've never really struggled. In Lyons' estimation, that's a testament to the value of decorating a home for the holidays. I think that people actually get mesmerized by the lights. This is like, let's forget about whatever's happening and let's just enjoy these lights for a few minutes. For the economics of everyday things.

I'm Zachary Crockett. This episode was produced by me and Sarah Lilly and mixed by Jeremy Johnston. We had help from Dalvin Abawadji. I really hope to be back soon. In the meantime, please subscribe to my email list. The sad part about it is that my display was so over the top. that people in my neighborhood stopped decorating because they knew they could not compete with what I was doing.

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