We're back! Chinese car invasion, Gordie's new Genesis and Thailand antics

Where where back? Where have you been? Bitch? Here?

There?

And every week a lot of people have been asking where the hell have we been? What has happened while there's been a rift in our relationship. It's been a very We were doing a stage show. It was your birthday. We wanted to know what you wanted for your birthday and he said, don't miss trump this time, and we were abrupted. We stopped the band. But we've had a chat, We've hugged it out.

You then started taking ice and then beating your own. That was Andrew.

We do look similar these days, don't you know what amazes me about that? Dude's life is down the toilet like he is low, low, low, But damn he looks good.

I saw the news story today he was found again with an ice pipe or something, allegedly, and I looked at him. I'm like, for someone who was found with an ice pipe after driving well suspended allegedly, do.

You actually look fairly with it. It's like he could be on the front cover of a bloody David Jones cat along, but he's still with an ice pipe. Of course, you know, Mane very much mirrors my life. Have you been?

Have you been Yeah good. Sorry about the long time between drinks. It's just been a bit of a scheduling nightmare. I've been on holiday. You went on holiday and we just couldn't make it work. And then you move studios with studios.

We've got a brand new driver show studio and this sh mick. It actually sounds good so far. Everything's working a diffuse light.

It's quite something.

That's to keep the mozzies away. We did have an episode in the Can, but technical issues. And also I got awfully drunk and spat some stuff about my super outback that we should probably never publish. So yeah, I've

There you go, that's you. I like that, that's that's something coming out I suspect.

Yeah, I saw a I saw a Masda too, which I think it's looked factory. They'd don't done it up to look like an.

Ev Oh but that was deranged.

Wow.

Okay, so that was fine. But did you notice as well? And I've noticed this before when I've been to Thailand and Bali as well. A lot of the cars they drive so close together, but there is just no damage on them. No, And I don't understand how that's possible. They must just have the skills to just not be making contact with each other. It's really quite bizarre.

They're very bizarre. One other thing I saw was I don't think we have this here. Do we have a Toyota Hilux Champ.

No, we don't. But that's basically like when we've written about that before. It's like blown up the website. So it's like the Jymney where I think if they sold it, it would have like this immense following.

I think I would do. It was actually quite cool. I said to the dude who I saw driving. It was dropping stuff off, like markets and stuff, and this thing looked ball. He knew it like it was all black, it was low to the ground, everything was like all black everything. But it was like I'm in a highlax champ. It was a different one. I reckon they should bring that out. You saw it in the flash because you look at it. I'll put a photo on our socials. But I think it's one of those cars that it

Look, they released a new version of it, and I got to say, it kind of just looks like it gets the job done. It's interesting just in terms of size. It actually like it's smaller than what we know as you know, a regular duel cabut like a Highlights or a Ranger. But I don't know. I just think it's I just think it's a cool looking thing. In terms of the engines, they've got a two leader of two point seven petrol and a two point four lead diesel, so it's almost the same parent all capput as the

One thing I loved about our break was watching this great little video that you published on the Cherry, the Cherry Tiggo Pro Max.

It's actually the Tigo eight Pro Max Ultimate.

And I just the comments were amazing, Like the comments in that was basically it was you showing up quickly explained the feature. Just explain the feature first off before we get into it.

Yeah, so this thing is very cheap. It's like under fifty thousand dollars drive away and it basically has a fragrance dispenser, So basically you can load whatever fragrance you want in there and it will dispense all over you while you're driving.

Yeah, Trevor's Cooper Born actually comes with it in built. Last night's rain d and Beef Curry part you just drive along? How's about that one? Tigo? Yeah? No, the comments were amazing, Like you read those comments and they sat like I could hear them as callers on like Neil Mitchell's like talkback program, just like what's bloody going on? Which pool You've lost me? Pooh? I assure him talk about them.

The cheery Tigo Ultra Absorbant temper and whenever the fact showing he was talking about the schmellis and you should porch the Chinese. He's gone down hill there the way he did the thumbs up at the end of that video, he should porch him.

Yeah, my favorite was can we test those fragrances for carcinogens? Not what I'm suggesting the Chinese would cut corners or falsify numbers to make something a beer better than it really is. It's just the anti China sentiment and the thing that I fight funny, Like, firstly, no one is forcing you to buy this car, so just because it exists, like people are just defended by it. And if you have a look at the comparable like Toyota product that

It's such an old way of thinking. It's such an old way of thinking, like the struggling families that are, yeah, just trying to put fucking food in their kid's mouth, and you guys are rubbishing like a cheap car that's finally on the road that can put seven people in there late.

And the other thing that's kind of just crazy about this situation as well. We saw when Perjo took like twenty something thousand dollars out of the price of the E two Double oh eight that if you have a car that you're selling that has twenty thousand dollars of margin in it, because obviously they're still making money on it, it just shows you how much Toyota is ripping customers off at the moment. Maybe they're not ripping them off, but they are just making so much out of these cars.

A lot of profit. Yeah, and it's been more happy to pay that go for it. That is such a jump too, isn't it a twenty grand?

Yeah, Like if you can take twenty grand, even Tesla did it with Model Y it was seventy two at its peak, it's now fifty five and they're still making money. So if you can take almost twenty grand out of a Tesla as well that's also made in China, well, it just shows you how much money everyone else is making off you.

So they announce that price dribe. I mean, you jump in a Pergo and it's like it's a nice car. I think they look great, they feel great, they have beautiful interior. They're very underpowered in my opinion.

So if you can see the speeder, which I can't.

Yeah, but the problem is they've always been very expensive for what they are. I think they're putting out a great product, but I'm like, Jesus paint, you want how much and you've got like a one point five in this what are you doing? Yeah?

And that's where the EV game has really leveled the field because previously you used to have to be a manufacturer of note to have a car that accelerates fast and does all that sort of stuff, Whereas now anyone can just go get and off the shelf electric motors and batteries and you've got a car that can accelerate fast like you've got a lot of other elements to it.

Gee, that sounds fun, the Automotive Dealers Association.

There was a lot of women in the room just kidding a lot of men.

So basically, did you tell those dealers that they're a dying breed?

Yes, Andrew still buys a fever bit of stuff from them. What's Andrew still buys a febit of stuff from him?

Who's Andrew?

Okeith?

I got on that one cook?

So yeah, I got a barbecue out.

He's up for a nice barbie.

So we had a slide up there that showed all the Chinese brands that are coming. There were ten of them that are going to be here in the next six to twelve months.

What are we looking at. We're looking at a few of the new entries.

Let me read some of them out to you because some of these, even me, as a car person in the industry in the biz, hasn't actually heard of some of these. So the one that's just around the corner is Zeka. So they're launching two, which is a van and a small car.

Are they Are they a derivative of MG.

No, they're a derivative of go to my list here Ghily, which is Volvo's parent company. So you've got Jack Motors Jac they're about to launch a ute. You've got Smart, which is now half owned by the Chinese. Are about Smart have been around for a while, yeah, but now owned by partly owned by China. Jku, which is a luxury mediumsuv turned j Cuo's mate turn jus.

Yeah yeah yeah, hold the mustard, hold the Master Crispy Noodles. Yeah, I'll have the prawn Cracker. Complimental Management.

That'll be grad x Peng, which there is a cream for I think, oh yeah, she's a good woman. Leap Motor, which has two cars coming sky well, which sounds like a a robot that's going to take over the world. Gak Motor, are you serious? Gack gack with a j tour and you like this one deep Pal.

What's it called deep Pal? Deepal.

So these are all just the ones that are like six to twelve months away or so.

Wow.

So if people think that just slagging off Chinese brands, just don't buy them, it's like, well, sorry, they're cheap and they are going to force out the manufacturers to finally get with it on pricing. And stop just jacking prices up constantly and unnecessarily.

Have they become they would they would now be the biggest automotive producers in the world, Ryan.

Good question. They are the biggest exporters and if you have a look just in Australia alone, the sales. What surprised me is over the past ten years or so, the rate of sales of Chinese vehicles has just gone absolutely through the roof. And compare that to the Koreans, and the Koreans had I guess they had like a bit of a slow rise but they finally got there in the end. But the Chinese brands have just gone through the roof in terms of how quickly they're they're

So yeah.

Interesting.

I think also like there's some that are entering the market and they're putting an absolutely killer product. Some have worked to do definitely, but some are And I'm not just fanboying this, but like I was so impressed with the BYD the Seal performance was just incredible, and obviously the Seals Sorry, the Sea Line six is on its way, which I still love that name. It sounds like a

He's lacked.

Jesus, don't get him on the dolphin. His mom took her right and Jesus Christ that porpoise never returned. Anyway. My point being that I genuinely believe what they're putting to market is stuff that automatically deserves to be sitting next to established brands, brands like Mazda and running the mill, Toyotas and things like that. I think they're putting an excellent product out there. So all these people rubbish in Chinese cut like it. That's fine, carry on, so many

And ironically they're sitting there on their iPhones, which was assembled by some small child, probably in China. So just just.

Chill out, just chill anyway, that's all right? Hey, what are you driving? This week's what's kind of?

What is the HAPs? What are we driving?

What have you got? Oh?

I got a big news. I canceled my Tesla Model WI order. I thought to myself, was.

This the one with the this is the facelift of one too? Right?

No, so facelifted one is still coming. And my car had come to the end of its novated lease. And I think previously we've spoken about how the values have completely tanked, and basically my novaated lease was up in July, and it was sort of around April April May that I was like, I got to get rid of this thing because a brand new one is now fifty five and my residual was something like forty forty four to forty five.

That's not bad.

Well, it's not great either, because everyone on the second hand market had them listed for above fifty five. For what is wrong with these idiots when you can just go buy a brand new one. Why would anyone want a secondhand one. So once they started realizing that, they started tanking the prices, and I basically just got rid of mine through our solo car service on our site. Someone took it away for how much I owed on it. But basically now you cannot get rid of them, so

Absolutely.

What they do is they bury all of their profits in that and also management fees, so that you still get a marginal tax benefit, but they gobble up pretty much all of the actual benefit through these inflated interest rates. So I thought to myself, look, I want to get another model, why but I also want to try another EV. I feel like I've owned Teslas now for five years and I don't really want to just get stuck just driving Teslas all the time.

So you are going to go for another EV?

Yes, okay, So can you see what your reaction is here? So the Pugio e to just kidding, I wouldn't do that. I'm getting a Ford Mustang Marquee. Now I will caveat this by saying I'm not buying this car. I'm getting the car from Ford for six months, so it's like it's a long term like it is, so it obviously means I won't be paying for it, But to me, I will really want to see what it's actually like to have another brand of EV. So I picked the car up last week and already it's pissing me off.

So I've got a bit of news to go on.

So I come on, come on down, you little daily driving my little side dish. Go on.

Yes, you got rid of the kd Lang, No, the kd lang. The CUBR back is still there there if you want a bloody buy it. Actually, can I say before I reveal what I'm driving? When I bought that car less than a year ago, right the dealer, I think it was say fifty six, Right fifty six. It was the XT Sport, so sort of mid range. He said, keep it for like two years. You'll be able to get rid of this for like fifty one fifty two. Wow. Interesting, Okay, So I've gone to kind of have a look and

I mean, did he lie to you?

Well?

It's funny because I rang him up and I said how much for trading? Like do you want to? Let's do it?

Just you know when we chatted and you said you'd you reckon?

Like, I mean, look, this is like it's actually it's like less than twelve months now, and I mean it's done less than ten thousand kilometers like single digits, pretty good, you know, So thirty nine oh thirty nine oops? Oops, all right okay? And I actually said to him, I said, oh, mate, you told me keep this for two years you'll get fifty two. What a fizzit that turned out to be? And he's like, wow, you could probably get about forty eight on the private market. It's like, you're still going

In fact, I'm going to check upthing. So what's your rego? You're going to edit this bit out? Let's have a look. Yep, super out back all will drive sport XT that's it. Okay. So how many k's are?

Nine thousand and fifty?

Sorry?

Yeahs five hundred SA round out?

Okay, next, so okay, so a couple more questions here. Car conditions. So service history, well, I mean it's complete, Yeah, it's complete.

It's never even been taken into the ten thousand kilometers.

Service exterior condition poor fair or great. That's say, great interior condition, poor fear or great, great mechanical condition poor fear or great. Aside from the horrendous fuel economy.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Great components, all functioning, yep.

Okay, it doesn't pull as many chicks as I think it's pulling the wrong card.

Okay, So according to our estimate, oh at depending on the condition at the low end thirty two thousand, whoa, and at the high end thirty seven seven to fourth.

Fuck off. I'm not now selling it to you.

Can I can I explain something to you. So the reason it's less than what you would get on the private market is because old mate needs to buy it. So let's pretend he pays thirty seven for it.

He'll paid thirty nine. He's already off in thirty nine. Y.

Let's pretend he pays thirty nine. He then needs to get it cleaned checked, which is get a roadworthy done. Yeah, and then he has to make some money off it. So you want to be making ten, maybe twenty percent off it. So by the time you add your twenty percent, that is what he's going to be selling it to a punter four, which is about fifty grand so the whole reason, Yeah, I don't.

Reckon he'll get fifty grand. I reckon he'd probably get about Yeah, I reckon. If I sold it, I'd probably at this point be happy with forty seven.

But this is the thing, right, you have to list it, you have to pay car sales the extortion and amount that they want for it. They need to deal with idiots who come and see it, test drive it and then don't buy it, or idiots that just message you is it still available?

Yeah, that's a marketplace. Yeah.

So the whole reason services like this exist so you can get rid of it. And the reason I got rid of mine. For what I did was because I could see what was coming, which was this thing crashing. So a lot of people just want to get rid of their cars, and for me, all I did I took some pictures of it, and then a truck turned

Yeah. I mean, like for an extra eight thousand bucks, I'll take the hit on. I'll just I'll sell it myself. Do you know what I mean? It's a grand? A grand is a grand? I mean you're looking at what one hundred and fifty for.

A car sales ad Oh, no, like four hundred? Is it?

Yeah?

Is it?

Really?

That's why it's such a waste of time listing on car sales A while so expensive.

So yeah, look, there's probably a little bit of there's probably a little bit of that, yeah at this point. And like, plus, I'm in no real hurry to drive it because I've got another car that I'm driving. You're already so obviously with the fuel consumption issues, and obviously I'm very concerned about the environ I have. I've made the sweet cho go on, flick the sweech, I've gone the ev path. Yes, you're already Genesis GV sixty. Oh that's cute.

It's unfortunate.

It's cute.

Have you seen it? Seen it? Yeah, I've got it, You've seen it.

It's beautiful, it's got it's midnight blue and it's got lovely sort of cream white interior. And do you know what I love about it? At the most is the little patchwork on the interior, on the leather interior, it's diamonds, but they're g's. Some would say genesis. I'd say little g forgot I. And you know what else I like about it was when you park it, little crystal ball, appeal crystal ball. So here's what I will say. Might not you at first glance, I know what you're thinking.

You you are trying to make this sound great.

I'm not.

You think I'm polishing a turd. I'm not. It's not don't think.

I don't think it's a turd. I just think that platform that is the worst car on that platform.

No, yes, the worst.

I think it looks weird. And those cameras are just diabolically bad. And that gearstick thing is the stupid yes.

Little circle, you don't like it? No, what I hang on here?

I did that.

If you go, if you went, say the Ionic five, not the End, which is the greatest ev known to man, but just the Ionic five. I mean that's the same platform as a GV sixty, right yep, so you reckon the GV sixty drives worse than the Ionic.

Just in terms of the looks. I just think it looks. It just looks very weird. And yeah, just the gearstick thing I don't love. And the mirrors, and the mirrors, regardless of which car that is on. I never once experienced digital mirrors that actually work. Please tell me didn't buy it?

No, no, no, no, okay, So look it's there's bad. It's there for as long as I like, or until they hear you mouth off bad things about it. So thanks for that. Someone looks like I'm back in the ah. Look, I say, look, and that's genuinely. They totally understand it. For me, it's like it's a warts and all. It's like I will say that the exterior of the car is the thing I like the least. The inside I like. Genuinely stand by it. I think it does feel great,

Well, the thing I'm confused by is they had to make a point of difference, right, and they wanted to make a luxurious kind of but while it's like, that is storage space you could have had. And also that platform supports the stalk, so just put it on a stalk and figure out some other gimmick.

Excuse me, it has a crystal ball when it parks. I'm driving around in a car like Liberachi. Frankly, it goes with my glitter pads. Yes, my bumbless glitter pads looks so so far, so good.

It's got some first, just get this in quickly. It's the first G spot you've hit in a while because it's just on the seat and it's the G.

That's pretty good. It's hard to miss. Take the rest of the podcast.

I think that was enough joke for another six months.

It's just that you're really tapped down big there. Hit the showers, big boy, quite literally. I'll follow you in. I've got a genesis. You know what I will say though, and generally mean it. It does. It does a few things really well. By the way, the cameras as your side mirrors, I didn't think I would get used to them, but I'm getting I'm getting used to them.

Reverse parking, that's where I think they're the worst.

It's a big it feels big to reverse.

Yeah, like those mirrors. They just don't work for reversing the thing.

I okay. The one thing I'll say at the top of the list. It beeps or like, I'll be a foot away from a pole. And do you know I had a taxi driver once and he actually got out of his car. I didn't know what he was doing. I was such an eadiot at the time. I didn't really I wasn't really cultured like I am now. And I was looking out the window like, what's he doing something? Why does he keep looking under the car? What?

What?

And then I was like, all right, you're right, And then I realized he was having a prey. He wasn't looking under the car.

He was like, yeah, I think that's just a stupid thing to be doing. Well, you've got a customer, but when.

You got to go, you go go. Have you ever jumped in a car right that you've been looking forward to for so long? And you're like, oh, give me one example real quick, you.

Go yours first. I didn't even think about this.

Well, the very first we haven't reviewed properly an Alpha product Alpha Romeo.

That's because no one buys them FEV and especially that one.

Yeah, and I actually think Alpha products a beautiful the do you call it? Do you say Julia or Gulia?

The Julia Julia and the Stelvio look good, but that Tinari looks I feel great.

I think the really, I think it's got a good bump. Look, the lights look good when you turn them on. They have that kind of shape. I think it's quite a quite a nice looking suv and it certainly feels nice on the inside. It does feel premium and you're like, oh, this is the leather feels really good and just just a little bit shit, just like just I can't. I was driving along thinking what is it about this that

Oh, yes, there is. It's not what it used to be.

No, And like the Club Spec, I think it looks pretty cool. It's got the big wing up the back, it's got some bits and pieces, it's got some faux carbon fiber on in the inside. They could have tuned it a little better. They could have made it sound better. It doesn't sound any different in my view to a normal WRX. They're putting a premium on it, and there's like they're fully going out of their way to say how limited edition it is, and you can't buy it anywhere.

Yeah, it's one of those cars that just has something brilliant. It's just super for you. Yeah, for me, I was just having a bit of a think about this. It's a bit of a backhanded compliment, but for me it was the GWM Tank five hundred.

Now reason three hundred the other day. Yeah.

The reason I say that it was more just the hybrid that was a bit shit. It had moments where it really shone and excelled, but then the rest of the time it was just so confused of itself and didn't really know what it was doing. And it's a shame because they have a V six available overseas that would do really well here because the rest of the

Yeah, a little bit. I think that was like lacking refinement and a few bits definitely.

Yeah, not a huge amount, but it was just that little bit that it needed to fix. So but yeah, I don't know that the car market's interesting at the moment. We've got this huge on slaughter of Chinese brands and everywhere I go there are cars sitting around on dealer lots and in storage like the done a lot of airport trips recently in near Melbourne Airport. The storage yards there Sydney as well, there are just cars sitting there. And I think we're reaching a point where there's a

Yeah, and I think we're about to be flooded with a lot of choice, as you said, with the Chinese cars. So I think we could even hit a situation where the baseline of car I don't know what would call it quality or is there going to be cars that we just go Is there anything in the market that's standing out that's just great, not that expensive, is just above the line, because like it's now going to be well, I don't know necessarily think it's going to be raised, but there's certainly.

The problem is now brands like Mitsubishi with the Triton, they get lost now because the Trenton used to be a value proposition and it's now become expensive more expensive. The value proposition is now with the Chinese brands, which there's more of coming in the dual cabute market. Absolutely, the premium stuff is better than even the new Triton, so you can't charge more for it. So you're just in this middle ground where no one really has a

That's a good point. And they're well built. They're well built cars as too. I think they've got it. They've certainly got a place.

And just on the Chinese cars again, you've got one hundred and almost thirty car brands in China. Over half of those started in the last ten years, so you Australia has like sixty something car brands and it's one of the most saturated markets in the world, so you're going to have the potential for another ten or twenty car brands to be here. I mean brands like Alfa Romeo. Why would anyone buy one when you've got cheap options with the Chinese premium stuff, with Toyota and the other brands.

Yeah, I think I think the average family is going to be looking at a lot of these cars and going, well, hang on, that car is fifteen thousand dollars less than that other car I'm looking at. Plus it's comes with a seven year warranty. What's this bad stuff I'm hearing about Chinese cars? I don't get it. I just drove it.

Well, when it comes to money, people care less. If you go the supermarket, if you've got an Australian made product that's double the price at some point you're going to go, Well, I want to support Australian made, but I also want to eat and not be broke. So I can see that in the car world's that's where this is going to head. So it's interesting times.

I think we should wrap this up. Should we cue the wrap up music and just put it in there? Yeah?

Go for it, go for a queue, all right.

So listen before we go. Here's what we've discovered about each other today. You're driving a Ford Markeye. Is that it staying a Markey? Why didn't you just take the normal Mustang?

They look great, by the way, because A it's not electric and B it doesn't fit family things.

I what you can fit a kid in the back of the eyes? I did.

And also they keep delaying the new Mustake.

Yes that's true, Yeah they do. Many of minds ordered it and he's been pushed back heaps. I'm driving a Genesis GB sixty and I'll say it like that every time we talk about it. I'm going to say it like this.

The Genesis GB sixty. I drove it to my salon today. Steven loves it. I love it more Genesis.

I'm keen to hear from anyone who's still listening to this at this point. Would you buy China? You have to finish, you have to do the whole thing.

Genesis has to be the exact same every time. Makes me moist every time I.

Drive it to the zelle.

For the time I put my pop here pathlay into the front seat. He's such a cheeky kulud cheeky bitch, such a ch.

An emotional. There's a cheek bitch.

He's sniffing for.

A bone, looking off as a bonus.

Would you buy a Chinese car? I'm genuinely curious. I know a lot of people say they wouldn't, But if you had to, would you buy a Chinese car? And if not, why not contact at the Drivers Show dot com? That are you? I don't think we're going to try and commit to doing these a little more often.

Well, that's completely up to you contractually. Yes, there is, there's your signature, and there is my gun sound to us. See you next week. Everybody