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All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon, ten minutes past the hour of two o'clock. Beautiful day outside beautiful beautiful May Wednesday afternoon. It's about seventy degrees and crystal clear here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, right outside of our Broadway Media studios. And as it is every single day, it's good to have you along for the rides fence check. It's behind the Mike Porter Larson beyond the glass today producing the program, booking the program as well.

But of course it would benefit.

You know, the Big ten in the SEC, which college football typically benefits anyway, and the latest on the House for NC Double A because there are pushback.

There's a lot of pushback about that.

There's a lot of pushback state by state passing legislation that would actually counter what the House for NC Double A would present. It is a messy situation that continues to get mess here. We do have some breaking news right off the top of the show today. Your MVP in the world of Pro basketball is none other than Jannis just kidding, shake Gilgus. Alexander Sga wins the MBA MVP. A lot of people thought it might go once again

According to the Salt Lake Tribune.

BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit. A Salt Lake County woman claims she was assaulted in twenty twenty three, so a couple of years ago now, which her lawsuit says she reported to the police. So we'll get into this on the show. We do have a BYU guest today. We have a couple of college football guests today. Actually, we'll do a lot of college football on the show today. Grown men arguing about pushing other men's in the tush

So there you go.

Josh for Along will be our first guest. Right out of the gates. He covers the University of Utah for our friends at KSSEL. You're gonna bring in Christopher Cameronnie who is live in midtown Manhattan.

Not for the Nick game, but for some athletic meetings.

We'll bring in Ck today, Spencer Lytton, our friend from BYU TV. I will ask Spencer Lytton about the solid

Yes, I thought you were actually going to say that I was excited for Eastern Conference Finals Game one, and I was going to correct you that I'm more excited about what I thought was going to be an overturned

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Sorry, fair enough, seth Wickers. You know what we'll get to opening tip. We have a couple of things to get to with opening tips. Seth Wickerstram has some details from this. He did exchange that took place today during what's called a general session of NFL owners and team in League executive Jeffrey Laurier apparently gave an hour long speech and use some nomenclature that I don't know. Maybe you just kind of steer away from when you know that it's going to be public. So we'll get to it.

It is time now for your opening tip.

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I'm also going over on Jalen Brunson tonight twenty eight point five points. I'm gonna go under on Karl Anthony Towns twenty two point five points, and I'll go over on my guy, Douce McBride one point five three point shots made. So there you go. We've got a little Nick Pacers tonight. All right, real quick, The tush push debate is so dumb. This entire thing is beyond stupid.

You know?

Jed Yorke apparently wanted. Jeffrey Laurie said, how much more bleep do we need to hear from you? Jerry Jones gave an impassioned speech. Terry Pagula, the owner of the Bills, a critic of the tush push. Also, we'll push back on the entire thing. Bottom line is the tush push remains. Grown men will be able to push other grown men in the tush in the NFL this year, So we can put that to bed. Thank goodness, all right, Moving

So we'll just go.

Over some of the some of the pieces that the trip has in their piece that they have up today, and then we just kind of have to wait and see what BYU decides to do. Jake deserves due process like everybody else in our country. It's one of the great things about living in America. Most people, all people should good, most people do get due process.

We'll kind of leave that aside today.

But assault Lake County woman has accused Jake rhet's Laugh of sexually assaulting her at his home, according to a civil lawsuit filed today, and it said that she also reported the incident to the police when it happened. So let's be clear, Jake has not been charged with anything criminally.

This is a civil lawsuit.

The woman, identified in a third District court filing as Jane doe Ag, alleges in the lawsuit the ret's Laugh assaulted her in November of twenty twenty three, so not last year. Year before last, after they had connected on social media and beg and began messaging about a month earlier. She issuing Rahet's Laugh in civil court for alleged battery, assault, an intentional infliction of emotional distress, and is asking for punitive damages from him. Jake has not been criminally charged

Sorry if the kids are in the car. Quote.

As the situation continued escalate, the lawsuit reads, Jane Doe ag reacted in a way that made Reetz laugh. Angry, he started to shout at her. She reached for her phone to call somebody, but her phone was dead. According to this filing, she was scared started to panic, she said in her lawsuit. She just lay down on his bed waiting for her phone to charge so she call her friend. She alleges Jake fell asleep, but soon woke up again and began forcially kissing her and touching her.

So we'll see.

Of course, I'm trying to talk about football when there's something as serious as an alleged sexual assault.

That's kind of an awkward thing.

And BYU and the powers that be, the governing bodies at Brigham Young have shown in the past that these are things they take very seriously and certainly over you know, any perceived success on the football or the basketball field. It's always a tricky thing to try to draw an analogy with some of the stuff that comes off as pretty obtuse, and I'm not trying to do that. I will bring up the Brandon Davies situation. Brandon was never sued, he was never charged with a crime. It was an

With a crime.

That team that Brandon was playing on, featuring Jimmerfurdett, had a chance to go to the Final four and maybe beyond, and BYU didn't blink. They suspended him for the entire NCAA tournament. Jimmer was so good that they want a couple of games.

But that was that.

And we could go over several other examples of BYU just simply having no tolerance for this stuff. And so now we wait. Now we wait for jakes due process. Now we wait to hear from BYU. Now we wait to hear from the parties involved, and we kind of see how this plays out. But according to the Salt Lake Tribune, if you're just joining the show, this news

So now we wait.

All right, coming up on the other side, more college football, less of this, but more college football. Josh Furlong from KSL. We'll bat lead off on a Wednesday afternoon. All right, show rolling along today. Always fun to welcome in. My next guest, my friend Melissa from Sound Sleep Medical. Melissa, how are you doing? Great siate your time today? So let's start with the adverse effects on people's health if they're not sleeping well. What do you want our listeners to know?

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Very convenient. Six locations in Utah, Clearfield, Murray, Sandy, American Fork Provo in Saint George, Chris Com Roddie stopping by Today Live in New York City. No, he's not not there for the next Spacers game. He's there for the athletic headquarter meetings. A lot of college football in the show Today. Spencer linton yut rolls by. We're going to do some NBA with Dave mcminnimon in preparation for tonight's Eastern Conference Finals. Look back on Oka see dismantling Minnesota

I'm doing well as the leadoff hitter. I don't know if I'm very adequately prep No, Skins, just need you.

To drop a bun get over the first that's all, Josh.

I know you got some speed left in those legs, and we do have to start with an uncomfortable story and you know, I don't know if you want to add any color or context to this entire situation because it's just coming out. But the Solid Lake Tribune is reporting that BYU quarterback Jake Rhetz Laugh has been accused of sexual assault in a new civil lawsuit.

He has not been criminally charged.

Jake deserves to process like everybody else, So we'll kind of see how this plays out. But of course this is a bit of a bombshell and bring him young. In the past has shown they have no tolerance for this, and I wouldn't be stunned if we hear some sort of action from the institution as the kind of process plays out. Josh, But what's your reaction to a story that could have some serious ramifications moving forward and obviously an unfortunate situation all the way around.

Yeah, this is pretty unfortunate all the way around, right, Like, you know, it doesn't matter who you are, Like, if these things are true, they need to be taken care of.

Right.

The unfortunate thing here is it's a civil suit, and civil suits aren't always the easiest to kind of understand in the sense that you know, no criminal charges have been filed right now, that's not to say that this isn't true or that there isn't anything there, but I think there's a really complicated situation here where it gets much more messy where civil suits anybody can kind of

All right, So we've all been waiting with baited breath, quite frankly, for the House first NCAA settlement just to kind of be completed so we can understand maybe a little bit more about the landscape of what college football specifically,

Yeah, it's been it's been crazy. I feel like once we kind of start getting a handle of it, something completely changes, and it's it's different, you know. I think there is a consensus here in the sense that every school, whether you be in power forward group of five, they want to abide by some sort of rules. Right, every school is going to try to skirt the rules to some extent and try to push the limits and try

Right.

If anything is going to handicap the sport, it's going to make it much more difficult for anybody to be engaged into it. And so I think people are well intentioned in trying to find solutions. Right at the end of the day, the NCAA is better to do the bidding of the university of presidents. That's what it is. This is a group. This isn't some binding contract necessarily. It's more just there the collective agreement between all of

Do you think there are any ancillary benefits to removing power completely from the NC double A and putting that power in the hands strictly of the power conferences and this proposed new committee that is being formed. Do you think there are actually ancillary benefits to that?

I mean, I think there can if there's unification, right, I think there's just so much disjointedness inside the NCAA, where you know they themselves have to recognize, okay, we're too deared right there. There may be the FBIS system and you may have the power for and then the group of five or group of six, however we want to classify that now. But I think they need to structure this in a way to say, Okay, this is

Other piece of news that is of interest I would imagine to our college football fans here locally is the proposed new expanded sixteen team CFP, which is clearly being pushed by the Big ten in the SEC, is receiving a tremendous amount of pushback from the Big twelve, the ACC and.

Essentially everybody who's not at their lunch table.

So just to bottom line, it will make it as simple as possible the proposal. It was a twelve team expansion last year CFP. The proposal is for twenty twenty six, I believe, expanding it to sixteen teams. Four auto bids for the SEC, four auto bids for the Big ten, two auto bids for the Big twelve, two auto bids for the ACC, one auto bid for what's now the new group of six shout out Pack twelve, and I

Big ten and the SEC.

Now, this is a two tiered application of a conversation because nobody can debate that the best football is not played in the Big ten and the SEC more often than not. But this is receiving a tremendous pushback from people that don't want to seed all this power and control and autonomy to those two conferences.

So what are your thoughts? Do you like the sixteen team expansion?

You do you think that because the best football is played in the Big ten and the SEC consistently, they deserve more auto bids.

How do you see this play out?

Yeah, that's a that's a tough one, right, Like you said, like it's clear that the Big ten and the SEC are going to be the top dogs and buying large the probably going to get that many teams in regardless. I think you're you know, the hard part here is is you've got, you know, them trying to say, hey, we're we're giving you guys some act to it. We could just take it on and run because they're in charge. Honestly, the Big ten and the SEC are in charge of

All right, moving on, because it feels like we're in class and I'm making you answer questions and do homework assignments as making everybody's head hurt.

So let's let's have some fun. Seven point five.

That's the over under Vegas has said for the University of Utah coming up this season. Does that feel right? Does that feel high? Does that feel low? What are your thoughts?

I personally think it's accurate, but I think it's pretty easy that you can go over. And the reason I say that is Utah was closer than many expected last year. Despite the terrible situations on offense. They kept the games close. The defense held team still. I think it was like twenty point seven points. I don't have it right in there with me, but it was enough where if this offense could score three touchdowns, you know they win games. So I have to believe that this year's offense is

At home.

You've got some of your more difficult games like Texas Tech at home. You've got Kansas State at home, some of the Arizona States even at home, and so you've got some of the top teams in the conference that are at home. And you also don't have to leave the state for the month of October. So I mean, I think it benefits Utah. I think if they can get their offense figured out, eight seems kind of the

Do you have a feel at all?

You know, there have been some it's funny you can do actually off season rankings now in conferences as far as transfer portal additions, who you lost, who you gained, and most people have celebrated what Texas Tech has done. Do you have a feel at all for how this conference is going to go and whether or not Utah should be considered as legitimately someone who can contend to win the thing this year.

Yeah, I think Utah should be considered, right. I think they're absolutely in the mix there. I think you see Vegas is putting them in there. Eighteen are essentially in the mix there from Vegas with a seven and a half win or higher. Only three teams at eight and a half, So I think it shows that there's going to be a ton of parody. I think that shows that there's going to be a lot of teams that are going to be vuying for that top spot. And I you know, Intel Intel, there's a team that kind

All seems to be quiet on the basketball side of things. We did have Alex Jensen on the show a couple of weeks ago and we went over some of the new players, just kind of kicked the tires on kind of where they were at with the process. Have you heard any I think they still have a few spots available, and obviously there are a number of months until we're playing basketball. Do you have any sort of an update on the project that Alex Jensen is undertaking now is a new head coach of the Utes.

Yeah, right now, it's kind of a wait and see approach. Right now, they're at eleven scholarships or at least eleven roster spots whatever we're going to call these now. But I think there's kind of been a wait and see approach in terms of if this NCAA settlement passes or not. If it does that, that means they can go up to fifteen. In the past, men's can only go up to thirteen. So they're pretty much right there anyway, and so it's just more kind of a wait and see approach.

Since you and I last spoke, it's been a number of weeks, so I have not talked to you about the announcement that Cameron Rising has medically retired from the game of football and he's going to go through the process. Looks like he might have to have that hand, you know, surgically repaired, and he will become the offensive coordinator at his alma mater, or Newbury Park High School in California. So since we haven't been able to chat about this, Josh,

As long as you can.

Not many people can get a job that pays a couple hundred grand right out of college anyway, but an unfortunate end to otherwise a legendary career and somebody that should always be remembered as one of the greats to ever do it here in Salt Lake City. So your thoughts on Cameron Rising now that we have clarity on his future plans, Yeah, I mean, I think.

You know, time Hills, I'll lound and I think unfortunately Utah fans were beat down the last couple of years with kind of injury situations with Cam Rising. Now that it's kind of official, and then everybody knew it was official, But now that he's officially put it out there and talked about the severity of his hand, I think that's

Right.

I still think though, that Cam Rising becomes one of the top players that's ever come through the University of Utah. Not necessarily because of his full talent, right, there's better players that have come through, But I think everything that he did at the university and what he did to kind of propel it into kind of that next echelon of where they're at. Even to Kyle Whittingham's legacy is a result of kind of Cam Rising doing what he did, So I think, you know, he's going to be reviewed

All right, Josh, before I said you loose, you know, the Salt Lake Bees have already ditch smith Ballpark for their new home out south, and I wonder you know your thoughts on Utah baseball playing their final game at Smiths Ballpark and some of the reactions that you've seen as Utah baseball is now also moving on from a ballpark that we've all gone to for a number of years.

Yeah, Like I went into that game, going to that last game against TCU, not really knowing what to expect. College baseball is a little at least Utah Baseball, they don't get the same amount of supports as the Bees would, and so it was always felt like a big venue for the youths, right, and so having them have a venue on campus where it fits their their stadium attendance,

You know.

Happy for both programs, the bees and the youth that they can get their own place, but it just sucks that we now don't have Smiths Ball Park anymore.

All right, Josh, appreciate the time, man. I know you got a lot to do, so we'll shut you loose. Have a good week, all right, Oh good, Appreciate that. Josh Furlong covers the University of Utah. Four ksl brought to you today by IFA Country Stores. When the seasons change, if you're like any good coach, you'll put together your game plan for a healthy green lawn and you'll turn to the experts at IFA.

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What are we?

What are you playing on a Wednesday afternoon when you really only had one one job.

To do with the music?

I did punt on this one to our our guest k A little fairytale of New York here all right?

And I'm told that k joins us live from the top floor of the New York Times Building in Midtown Manhattan?

Is that true? A fairytale of New York?

If you will?

Big city guy over here, Chris, what's going on?

Man?

Coming to you? Live at the fifteenth floor, staring out at forty first and eight. Big day in the Big Apple. Forecast called for rain, not so much rain, but the streets are starting to turn blue and orange. And I wonder why.

Love hearing that?

So?

As I often say, I like to claim that I'm from the right coast, Chris, you are from the left coast. How does a left coast or digest being what I've in? What I like to call the right coast.

It is a great question, and I'm glad to know that you accurately stated where we each lie on that left coast. Best coast is going to be my firm argument. But I would just say that being here, I would probably summarize it best by saying, like this is America, Like this is everything and anything you could possibly need to know about this great, beautiful, complicated country is right here, distilled into a very small piece of land between a bunch of random rivers.

It's such a great city. Man, I hate to be that guy. I miss it so much, and I miss it in the spring date. Do you find yourself enjoying it? Because most people from the left coach coast, which is not the best coast, but we will not debate that today, do not find themselves enjoying the right coast because it's a little more claustrophobic, shall we say?

So?

Do you find yourself enjoying the endeavor?

I do. I very much enjoy it, but unfortunately I came at a very bad weather time. It is like fifty five and piss and rain off and on, and last year when I was out here, it was like eighty five and perfect, and I was riding the rentable e bikes and all this stuff, and now I'm kind of like it's late May. Like your city should be giving me a little bit of a little bit of reason to sweat, you know, should be giving me some humidity,

One more thing here you referenced these streets are turning orange and blue, and there really is not a city that celebrates their sports teams and summarily dismisses them if we're fair, quite like Manhattan and the surrounding borough. So is there a palpable buzz? Can you tell that the Knicks are about to play in the Eastern Conference Finals?

The buzz is palpable. And in Times Square where I am, people are already walking towards you know, I don't know the address off the top of my head, so I apologize,

The address is very simple. People overthink it. It's four Penn Plaza, New York, New York. It is between seventh and eight, between West thirty first and West thirty third.

But the address is four Penn Plaza.

C K.

That's all it is.

It's only like an eight minute walk from here. So if it stops raining, I might have to walk down and go check out some fellow big bombers. You know, maybe maybe maybe maybe get on a side talk video. Could you imagine me?

You you should, man, I bet it's a spectacle like I mean, they haven't seen in twenty five years. If you have an opportunity, you should walk down and check it out. It's you respect, It's not quite you know, like what it's like outside Delta Center when the Jazz are playing in the playoffs, which is also fun.

It's just different in that city and.

The people watching is as a plus as it gets, which is something that I love to specialize in.

Yes it is.

What are you doing there, young man? I know you're not there for the nick game? What are you doing in midtown Manhattan?

Once a year, our college football staff has a big annual summit is what you say in big time business wig parlance. So where the staffers are getting together to talk about the year that was and the year that lies ahead, and you know, just getting to see lots of close friends and be the least smart person in the room.

So that's that's a group of college football heavy hitters on the media side of things. I know you're not a name dropper, but who are in those rooms?

Oh, you know the great Stu Mandel, Bruce Feldman, Chris Vanini, David Eban, the list goes on and on. We've we've had a very strong college football staff over the years. We've had some people move on to other endeavors. I mean, once upon a time you had the Nicole auerbacks and now Ari Wasserman's who are now at other publications. But we still have some heavy hitters. And again I'm not even in the ninth spot. I'm the utility man on the bench.

Well, that's uh, I don't believe that's true. But I'll allow your feigned humility on the program today. But let me take advantage of this. What are some of the if you would care to share? I know these are closed doors meetings with the athletic college football staff.

What are some of the big.

Time college football storylines and topics that are being bantered about in a room such as that.

Well, as you can imagine the house settlement that appears to be close to being done, we've been waiting for this ruling for a long time. One of my best and favorite colleagues, Justin Williams, is the man who's been tasked with sifting through these documents ad nauseum for the last year plus and getting to know so versu is at the you know, the law, the judicial, you know, collegiate, all these levels that are necessary that you need to learn to try to distill this down into something that

So I mean, let's start with probably the hottest topic. Can you confirm or deny that Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson are engaged?

Oh?

I cannot confirm that?

All right? How much was how much was that topic banteed about today?

I didn't hear much about it, just because I think we've been broken up into different groups. But I can guarantee you there will be reported very fascinating stories on the topic of Bill Belichick at North Carolina at the athletic in the coming weeks and months.

Fair enough, Fair enough?

All right, Chris, My guess is, I don't even know if you've seen this, But because it's the big news here locally. I do need to ask you about it, and if you want to punt until you can look into it a little bit more, I totally understand. But according to the Salt Lake Tribune, our friends of the trib Kevin Reynolds, and I don't know Jessica Shrifles. Is that correct? I mean, okay, so Jessica Strifles, Kevin Reynolds. This was posted ten minutes before I cracked this microphone

This is literally the first time hearing about it. All right, I apologize to you and your staff. We've been in a closed door meeting, just talking about story ideas for the upcoming college football season. So this was basically the last thing I was expecting you to tell me. So I'm going to have to get into my best punt formation and fire away.

All right, fair enough, fair enough.

So sltrip dot com for our listeners that are just maybe hopping in your car, starting your commute home or what have you, streaming online, go to sl trip dot com. It's all over the socials, you know, ultimately, Chris, when it comes to a situation like this, we'll move away from the specifics because you are not familiar with it and talk about more of a macro viewpoint. You know, BYU as a track record of having zero tolerance for

This is not a criminal charge.

It is a civil suit, and trying to be analogous with any other situation feels a little up to sp The Brandon Davies situation comes to mind. Brandon was not charged with a crime, nor was he sued. But that was a really good basketball team that had a chance to maybe even win a national championship with for debt

Down with BYU and how.

They're going to kind of traverse this space. And obviously Brian Santiago is a new ad, has a new list of things to take care of.

Now.

Yeah, it's a tricky, complex situation, and my guess would be that the university, Brian Santiago, the athletic department, they're all going to say that they're going to let the judicial process play out. I don't know for sure. Do you know, Spence, if if the court or if the case filing was filed today, it.

Was filed today according to the trip.

Yes, so this is obviously very brand new information for everybody if it's just been today and they're going to have to my guess would be that they're going to be very tight lipped about it, and they're going to say that they're going to let the judicial process play out. And honestly, I think that's the right thing to do.

No, you're you're right, and I mean, the one last thing I'll say on this now we'll move on, is for the idiots online taking victory lapse because you cheer for a different football team, like put the phone away. You don't need to tweet like, let's there's a victim, alleged victim who is potentially involved here that probably has gone through something traumatic that none of us fully understand. So you don't have to tweet, put the phones away, move on, and we will now move on.

There's no comfortable way of doing that.

But let me ask you this, so you reference the conversations you're having in the rooms about the House v NCUBA settlement, which I don't know, maybe two months ago felt like it was imminent and now it feels like it might be far away and continues to be far away based off of some of the state by state legislation that has been passed to protect member institutions from

Yeah, you basically took the answer right out of my mouth, man, Like, it is so ironic that every time they seem to make a few steps forward, you take a few extra steps back. The fact that states are getting involved on this at a level individually could potentially make the kind of the blanket result that much more easy for everybody. Is very on brand for the state of college athletics, for college football and dealing with the NCAA as a whole.

So on May one, Bill Lee shout out Bill Lee,

Okay, I'm in your city and I'm going to draw the most perfect analogy possible.

I feel it.

You knew it, You knew it. You We have to we have to. We have to figure out which conference is Connor.

No succession, yeah, succession?

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know which conference is shive? Which conference is the eldest boy? Like that's that is what it feels like. And it makes sense because there is meat on the bone for the powers that be to try to grab power and a lot of that it's grand standing and I get that. But again, until there is a set, firm set of rules in place, people are going to try to capitalize on the quote

All right, I'm going to try to do this. How to do this?

Are we Are we allowed to include Walms Gams in the conversation or does it have to be the kids?

I think it's got to be the Core four.

Okay, Well, because Shiv is married to Tom, they're the sec they have the power. I'm gonna say Logan Roy is Mark Emerate no longer with us.

Uh, let's see here.

I'm going to say Connor Roy is the PAC twelve. Okay, I'm gonna say he's the PAC twelve.

Just hanging off.

How dare you you wrote? You wrote off his presidential campaign before he even started.

Uh, let's see, well, we'll make We're gonna make Kendall the Big ten because you know, the oldest boy, you cannot deny the power. But ultimately he's not the SEC. So we're gonna give that to Shiv. We'll make let's see, we'll.

Make Romans the Big twelve is a great fit.

We'll go Roman Big twelve. Okay, and let's see that leaves. We'll make cousin Greg the a CEC. No one really cares about him with They're fun.

Great, great, great move. I mean, dude, I don't know, man, this is sports talk radio edit EPEX. I'm not even being funny either. This is and I'm on the fifteenth floor. You know, the city is alive. There's an ambulance driving right by right now, like this is as real as a kiss.

We need to get a little succession soundtrack. We need the piano in the background we get we need to get that time. Okay, So there we go. So Roman's the Big twelve. Shiv is the SEC. We're giving Kendall the Big ten. We're given. We're giving Connor the Pac twelve, and we'll make cousin Greg the ACC and again logan is Mark Emerd because he's dead and doesn't matter anymore that you said it not me that all works. Oh goodness, gracious, all right, let's move over to what are we doing?

What is going on today?

I'm so sorry.

No, it's wonderful, it's great, it's great. All right, let's move over here.

So I'm sure you guys discussed this today, and I'm honestly conflicted because you cannot debate that the best football is not played in the Big ten of the SEC consistently. It does not mean that there couldn't be a Clemson or a Florida State or a Utah or a Texas Tech or whatever that rises up, and it belongs in the ranks of the College Football League from time to time.

And the group of six.

So again, this is a proposal that gives half of the sixteen team auto bids. I wonder how many people are like, what the hell are they talking about this is a proposal that gives sixteen like half of the sixteen auto bids to the Big ten, of the SEC two auto bids to the Big twelve, and the ACC one auto bid to the Group of six, and then three at large bids and then ultimately that's how you

Well, I think what we've talked about and what everybody realizes is that there may never be an end point to this thing. I think it could be a moving target. It could be twelve, it could be fourteen, it could be sixteen, depending on the success each year, depending on the amount of money they make with media rights feals

And that's what makes it complex because we're in Big twelve countries, so we can yell as loud as we possibly can, as we can yell as loud as we want to, but it doesn't change the fact that the majority of the blue bloods in college football exists in

I believe it's going to do the latter. I think the fact that they've the powers that be have been proven year in and year out that they can change the game, they can move the goalpost, they can do it differently and still make more money. It behooves them to be able to maintain that flexibility rather than kind of putting themselves in a box. So I could be proven wrong and eventually one day they could be deciding to do that super league model that has been bandied

Is the New York Times building somewhere where you find that it's a nice, nice, safe space where you don't have to pretend that you like Hamilton.

Well, I find it a safe space to pretend that I don't like college football, because until people figure that out, the ruises up.

Man, See the problem.

The problem with these interviews is now I'm just thinking about succession quotes that are just bouncing around in my mind. All right, Chris, before we set you loose, we'll let you get back to what you have going on. I still can't believe this conversation with the direction it did, but you know, that's what makes it fun. I'm quite sure you did not have a chance to listen to the gaffer himself, Pablo masch Junni on the program yesterday.

Yes, I was on a Delta flight to JFK, so apologies.

I was not able to Did you watch anything on the plane? How did you How did you pass the five hour flight?

I took a little bit of a fake nap, closed my eyes for about an hour, and then watch the film.

Would you share a care or would you care to share? Which film you want?

It's called The Bike Riders. It's a film with with Tom Hardy and a couple other very handsome looking gentlemen. It's about a motorcycle club in Chicago in the sixties.

I enjoyed it plus interesting.

I'll check it out.

So Pablo, and this took three or four different follow up questions where I definitely was blaboring the point. Because the fact of matter, Chris, is this like, once upon a time in MLS, you didn't have to belabor the point about economic infusion in your club. You didn't have to spend twenty thirty forty million whatever it is. Hence two thousand and nine our guys lift the trophy beating David Beckham and Landon Donovan, you know, with that club

People off guard.

Pablo yesterday dropped a bit of a bomb on the program. It's a little breaking news, accidental journalism that he was told this week by the new ownership group that they are no longer interested in selling any of their young players, namely Diego Luna, who rumors flying that he might be gone during this summer transfer.

Windo.

Now, look if a La Liga club.

Or Bundesliga or EPL or whatever, if any club in Europe calls Kurt Schmidt and says we will pay you twenty five or thirty million dollars for Diego Luna, I get it. But what do you make of what I perceive to be a really massive change of direction in ethos by the Miller family now that they take taken over informing Pablo in the front office. They're not interested in this ethos of developing as a you know, developing players as a club and then moving them on.

They want to build something for the long haul.

Well, this is a multi layered conversation, and if we take Diego as the prime example, it kind of makes sense because if you haven't had that twenty to thirty million dollar offer. Yet unless he goes on to score twenty goals and has fifteen assists, maybe you're going to get an offer from alligat Mchi's team in the ten to fifteen million dollar range. But is Diego Luna worth that much to you as a club? I would argue yes, especially considering where you are with the state of the

It is, had to do it, had to do it. I really don't know what's my favorite? Which one is? My favorite?

Ship?

Is the SEC rules If I'm honest, Roman is the Big twelve is incredible? But you know Connor is the Pac twelve seems to work? Yeah, do you have a favorite? Before I set you this?

Connor is the Pac full for sure? An independent you know, living off the grid on the West coast, you know Connor living in that New Mexico, you know mansion you know north of Santa Fe. It just plays that hits for me the most.

Give me a Nixon six.

K are we are? We are? We worried about what Tyrese Haliburton and Miles Turner can do in the pick and roll. Are we worried about.

Look at you? Look at you? We are not, but I appreciate the ball breaked out all right. Let me know if you need any restaurant rex. I'm sure you're well taken care of save travels. Thanks for the time, Bud, appreciate you. Chris com Roddy from the Athletic got Lou says, it always does. Going to bring in our friend Spencer Linton from BYUTV covers BYU Athletics, So join us at

So we'll talk to Spencer about that.

Obviously, just an unfortunate situation, one that's not easy to talk about, one that's not not easy to kind of unpack. But that broke not too long ago, So we'll get to Spencer Litton coming up on the other side of four o'clock. Dave mcmannimon joins us for our NBA Daily Assists Today. News broke right when we started the show. Actually, SGA Shay Gilgas Alexander is your MVP for the NBA, an announcement that took a long time to kind of permeate throughout the news cycle. I'm not sure why the

In that direction. Did you watch Succession? Did you? Uh? Did you tune into Succession? I remember I haven't finished it. You still haven't finished Succession?

I don't think so. All right, but I did. I did get into it. It's a good show, it is. I do think I need to to catch up on.

Chris Camrodnie joined us last segment and it got loose. We decided to draw parallels between Succession characters and conferences in college football.

Uh c K is in New York where.

College football, the college Football round Table from the heavy hitters at the athletic are all gathering. Uh So that's kind of driven the majority of the show today.

All Right, Porter, I've waited.

I've waited almost two hours to ask you confidence level tonight, Midtown Manhattan, New York Knicks, Indiana Pacers.

The Knicks are a four point five point favorite.

I've listened to a lot of back and forth, a lot of NBA podcasts, I've checked out the news cycle today. I ignore anything Steven A. Smith has to say. Reminder, the Eastern Conference finals luckily are on TNT ESPN as the West, and therefore you do not have to explain to your children that Steven A.

Smith does not actually play for the next.

And I don't think there's a consensus about this series. I've heard a lot of Pacers picks. I've heard a lot of Knicks picks. What's your confidence level in the New York Next.

I don't think there should be a consensus because it's it's a series that I think should be really competitive. Now, the one thing that gives me semblance of hope is that what we saw in the last series against the Boston Celtics was a team kind of full of players that you would like to if you were to create players in a lab to throw at Jalen Brunsonlics have

You know, Jalen might be approaching that level of an offensive player, did it might not matter who's on him. I mean really like you referenced Drew Holliday, Derek White and then switches before Tatum went down, Like New York would try to get the switch if Porzingis was in the game, if Cornette was in the game, even Horford as well. But if it's any of the four perimeter players and you're trying to get the right switch on Jalen, you're up a creek without a paddle against Boston on paper.

It's true Holliday he was six y four.

It's Derek White who six three sixty four, and it it didn't matter you know, I was listening to Raja Bell our guy Howard Beck does a podcast with Raja Bell called The Real Ones and Rajah Bell former jazz man by the way, phenomenal NBA analyst on the podcast, spas on the radio and TV space. ESPN could take a look at him instead of Perk. But anyway, Roger

That's really kind of what it is.

Just try to get him off the spots, try to make him uncomfortable. I do anticipate Andrew Nemhart is a pest. He is a pest, and so is TJ McConnell. And Indiana has all these different dudes that aren't necessarily on paper, the same size as the Boston Celtic perimeter defenders. But I wouldn't be surprised if we see aaron Ne Smith

So pick him up full court Jalen.

You know, he brings the ball down, gets rid of it, passes it to the wing, and then you just make it really difficult for him to get the ball back, whether it's face guard, whether it's blitz off pick and roll, and then you just have to make him work as much as it possibly can and the unfortunate part porter about this whole thing is Halliburton can have a bad game, and you know, people forget Pascal Siakan was an All Star, and they've been able to get some offensive punch from

They'll probably put him on nem Hard or even Nie Smith a little bit. But if Jalen isn't Jalen, it's different.

Man.

Halliburton can have an off game and the Pacers can win, and that concerns me.

Yeah, And that's why when you bring up Karl Anthony Towns, I think that is that is a huge X factor in this series, just because you know it's the other guys that you may turn to because New York has the personnel mckel Bridges, Josh Hart even you go to the to the bench with McBride and others to row bodies at Tyrese Haliburton to really, you know, as you said, pick him up the full court, do similar things with Tyresee that the Pacers are going to try with Jalen Brunson,

Are you aware that Karl Anthony Towns has now developed a New York accent?

I saw that, did you get I sent you the tweet?

Yeah, you either sent me a tweet a message with him a postgame interview, he sounded like a Sopranos character all of a sudden.

What was that?

Now he did grow up in New Jersey, but I want to be clear, I've been listening to my man be interviewed since he was eighteen years old. That came out of knowing he's never had a New York accent. It was a less no Kelly, Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly when he moved down LSU and suddenly out of Southern accent. That is the That is such clown behavior, Like, don't

Oh, one hundred percent there is a little bit of the the same stuff we talk about with Donovan a little bit right, and that Carl goes with, but hey, I never know how to like it's not so one thing you can like quantify or identify. Really it's just a weird, like performative thing. I like in it too. And this is really more of a case with Donovan.

It's such a good pressing X, It's such a good call. Little performance stuff, oh big time. And the other problem is, Kat, we have hundreds of hours of you giving interviews and you've never talked like that in your life. One more basketball topic that's been permeating throughout the course of the conversation last night and today, Jay Gilge Alexander foul Merchant, do you have an issue with this or is this a skill that you need to win basketball game?

It's not new.

James Harden is kind of perfected this side. Then on that list, Jonovvian Mitchell, absolutely, and it's not limited to those guys. You can go back to the list of all time greats. Karl Malone was really good at getting to the free throw line. He did it with more physicality. He did it more so instigating contact and then just being bigger and stronger than you, so it kind of like forced you into fouling him.

Right, Shaquille O'Neil did the same thing.

Getting to the free throw line is is an art, but there is a line where you know, I don't I don't mind people getting frustrated with like non basketball moves. There have been some rules, some of them seemed almost James Harden, I say, inspired the three point one where you're kind of kicking your foot out, like. There are are un natural basketball moves that I do think should be taken out of the game and not necessarily ruled against. Right, but officials in the NBA should be trained to watch

Chris Paul like, there's a lot of guys that have.

Done there are two specific offensive movements right now that the NBA, in my opinion, needs to look at. One is the Jokic and I love Jokic, okay. One is the jokicic. I am going to trap your arm under my armpit, yep, and then turn around and then flail.

As if you're the one that was grabbing me. Steven Adams gets a bunch of calls that way too. It's such bs.

And the other one and this is Donovan is the worst with this one, simply throwing your head back. Gordon Hayward. Hayward's bad at it. And you know we gotta be on our guy. Jalen does it a bit yep, big body Brunson, our guy Perk, shout out Perk. But the whole driving to the bucket and then you just get touched and you throw your head back.

Makes it look like you've received contact.

It's cheating. It should be eliminated from the game altogether. And here's what I'll give Shay. I mean, Shay is six' eight, Physical he can handle. It his angles are. Impeccable where there's some calls last night that upon review were, Horrific, yes BUT i think he has become like a master at his craft in a way That jordan. Did you, know with the ability to handle the ball with your

Afternoon, Spencer Happy. Wednesday how are we doing.

Doing?

Well? Man great to talk with you and always to be on your.

Show interesting day to say the, least it.

IS i appreciate the time and for our. Listeners spencer is a B yu, employee so let's get that out. There AND i know there are portions of this that you probably can't even talk, about but because it is news and very, newsworthy this sol A tribune has reported THAT byu Quarterback Jake Rhetz laugh has been accused of sexual assault in a new civil.

Lawsuit no criminal charges have been.

Filed so just your, thoughts what you, know your your reaction to the, news and then let's go from.

There, obviously as an employee of, university we have been cautioned to let the courts kind of pan out and and let what happens. Happen AND i don't want to offer any type of opinion that's going to put the university in a bad light or shed any type of or make people think That I'm i'm offering an official, statement so certainly not doing.

THAT i will add.

A couple of blanket.

Statements, One i'm glad that you pointed out that this is a civil, case it is not a criminal. Case those two things are very, different and there been no criminal charges. Filed, secondly it's unfortunate for all parties, involved and so my hope is that this thing can be settled fairly and, promptly and that all parties involved can go on and move forward or bounce back in whatever

This we do have this from a, gentleman you, KNOW i believe It's mark about who is the legal counsel for jacobreets. Laugh he just Releases David he said, QUOTE i am the counsel For jake rhets.

Laugh i've met. Him he's a nice young.

Man he's also factually, innocent and we look forward to proving that inn Since jake's focus this year will be on. Football we don't try cases in the. Media we will respect the process and Establish jake's innocence through the judicial. System so we have a statement From jake's, Lawyer So spencer again understanding acknowledging the sensitivities and complications of topics such as, this and even drying a parallel or being a analogous to anything feels.

A little bit of.

Toose BUT byu in the past has shown they have zero tolerance for any of. This, obviously there is an honor code that anyone who attends the university signs and has to abide by and if they, don't they are subject to. Punishment Namely Brandon davies who played for a basketball team that could have gone to A final four and maybe even beyond. That we all remember, it And brandon this is. Different brandon was not, sued he was not charged with a, crime but he was found to

States, again to be, Clear i'm not an expert in the matters of the specifics of how this will be

It you, know this does lend itself to a bigger, conversation so away from the specifics Of jake and time will you, know time will manifest how this thing plays. Out but you, KNOW i always kind of roll my eyes When i've right here at Talking head discussed the Honor code AT byu and if an athlete has found in violation and is. Punished there are a lot of people that are in media and sports soccer radio that decide to crack a mic and, say, well they need to do away with the honor. Code they need to

Decades.

Yeah, sure and a loaded, topic no doubt about, it as you've touched on several aspects right. There but WHAT i have observed and experienced really especially in the past few, years is the university leaning into this rather than pushing it away or even coaches trying to say, like, yeah

AMEN i say they.

The coach is an athletic department in large, part have really dived into this as a way to galvanize an entire. Department and all of the athletes, say, look you're you're all following, this but let's view it as an opportunity and as something that you have committed to and a source of strength and something that will help you build your.

You it's it's just.

Tough like everybody wants to offer an opinion when there is a penalty handed down or some player is suspended or. Whatever, look could we be, Frank we're all trying and nobody is going to be. PERFECT i believe THAT byu does their best to help athletes in this more disciplined culture stick to. It there will be slip, ups there will be mistakes and now it's become like a kay let's

Phrase but that's what this is the.

Emphasis this is the heart of that What Kilanie sataki talks, about which.

Is there will be, mistakes but we.

This where we stand and and help you get back and be a full part of this. Team so that's kind of just What i've noticed in the past few years is not try and this is a hurdle or a barrier or something to avoid or something that let's go all in and, say, hey what do you care most? About you out of, line be as you, know as dedicated as you possibly, can and this will help us actually grow stronger as an athletic, community a university and certainly galvanize our.

Teams last, thing and Then i'll set you loose on this. SPENCER i wonder if you, can because you, KNOW i don't know what the process is as far as the, athletes you, know sitting down with the coaches the administrators to sign the honor. Code but my very strong, guests having five siblings that went TO byu and having parents that went TO byu, together there's no, ambiguity, CORRECT i mean there's there's it's very very clear what is expected

No and that that they have done a great job of really doubling down on that.

Lately like you, know you know what the rules, are you know what's expected of, you what is, allowed what is not. Allowed that has become crystal. Clear each athlete and student, should AND i believe are educated in such to sign after they have a full understanding of what they are actually committed to.

Do all, right my, Man, well, look there's a lot of other things THAT i want to get you back on to talk. About but of, course the news of the day is the news of the, day and there's a alleged victim involved in this, situation so it feels a little silly to talk. Football but of Course jake is the starting quarterback at B, yu and that makes this thing a sports soccer radio. Topic you get your

This how about that you got a.

SPENCE i appreciate all you guys, do and we'll talk again.

Soon and congrats on three thousand. Episodes buddy appreciates your.

Brother that means a.

Lot here Is Spencer, lynton one of our, favorites works FOR BYU, tv host OF Byu Sports, nation joined us on a consistent. Basis, so if you're just hopping in your car getting your commute started, home some unfortunate news and there's no other way to put, that because there are a lot of things to consider, here including an alleged victim who has filed a civil lawsuit Against Jake

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Assist Eastern Conference Finals game. One tonight's world's most famous, Arena Midtown, manhattan Four Penn, Plaza Nick, pacers which brings up a lot of lot of, emotion a lot of.

Memories The west got going last.

Night we'll bring a little lightness to what's other otherwise been a very heavy show with some of the local news around.

Here dave mcmanhiman is our.

Guest according to The Hoop, Collective dave is the slowest of THE nba riders to file his pieces at A espn dot Com, dave do you care to confirm or?

Deny?

WOW i just want to know who dropped that line on. Me it will depend on my.

Answer it was McMahon and then and then cooperated by Win horse And, bontemps that you by far the slowest to file your.

Pieces is that?

TRUE i may just have more of an art and a. Craft you. Know they might be slipping burgers And i'm putting together a meal for my. Readers, okay that would be my response to. That so McMahon left by what seven or eight minutes prior to me, yesterday and he's taken a victory lap for. That, okay good for you.

Too so the real question is in, general who is the? SLOWEST i, mean.

It might be, true that might be true on the. Slowest, yeah you, KNOW i also THINK i have more of a vocabulary rolodex in my mind to flip through than they. Do SO i love.

It where do? We where do we find? You on this Fine?

Wednesday, Dave Oklahoma, city digesting what was a fun first half and a avalanche of a thunder wing in the second half and wondering what type of series we're going to. Get certainly The wolves were pretty confident group today at, practice but that's under. Team it's not like they played their best Either shay gillis you, know And Shay GILDS i was in it starts off in game two for. Thirteen they still win by twenty six, Points so we'll see how this series.

Goes acknowledging THAT i do not live in the center Of, MILAN i will ask you what does one do on his day off In Oklahoma?

City? Work and then actually McMahon AND i found a little pickup game with some of THE okc, writers so to play a little hoops and do a little slow writing After i'm done with you and THEN i watch the next.

Game you don't sound to be too thrilled to be In Oklahoma? City AM i reading this? Correctly that's, Okay it's.

Okay it's a it's a bit of a hike to get, to not a delta direct type of, city and so you know that makes it a little bit more, cumbersome but it is a great atmosphere for the, games And i'm here for the, games so, yeah, no no real complaints.

There would you rather be an Okay see Or Salt?

Lake, well it's like a direct and a lot, Closer So i'll go Salt lake all.

Day outside of the Route, dave outside of just your your, flights it's not bad living around, here, man outside of just your delta.

Mind you, KNOW i enjoy uh WHERE i. Stay you, know actually There's i've expanded my. Palette there's a few. Marriottes i'll stay in downtown Salt lake. Now AND i do enjoy.

The walk to the arena and back and you know some of the Spots i've been to over the. Years SO i enjoy Salt lake in the. City no shade being thrown by me right.

Now it's the best you can.

DO i enjoy the walk to the freaking, arena he, says two blocks from my. Marria you know, what Challenge, dave next time you're. HERE i don't know when that will. Be hit me up And i'm going to show you the. City, okay there are plenty of things About Salt. Lake you need to experience, it clearly you, have and if your best part is the two block walk to the, ARENA i am.

Down i'm absolutely downb for, that because, Yeah i'm trying to like think Of i've been the Red, iguana of, course which very you, know that was very Good mexican. MEAL i do do pfchangs a lot In Salt Lake, city Which i'm not Knocking, pfchangs But i'm sure there are some better non chain that you guys have to, Offer so, Yeah i'll pick you.

Up did you just drop A Pf chang's on? Me what are you going To chili's before for? Lunch gosh day Mcminnimon Salt Lake city fan because he GETS Pf changs on us walk to The Delta. Center my, Goodness, dave all, right we can move. On so, look last night an example of something that we've all. Seen, DUDE i don't know that anybody left has that. Ceiling okase

Club let just give me your.

THOUGHTS i agree with you on that. ASSESSMENT i think that the, team AND i shared it with you before THAT i thought had the highest thing was The, celtics but obviously they're out one and. Two before they go, out they got. Injured SO i gave that title along with you to Okay. See there was a video clip of a kind of a bird's eye angle of the action last night THAT i saw on some ok see, blog and it was Tracking Alex caruso fighting through screens and basically you can't run pick a roll when he's

Well So i'm a little bit conflicted on the fouls off With shay BECAUSE i find it to be a bit of an art form when you're able to manipulate the game a little bit to draw fouls and get to the free throw, line especially in the postseason when free points like you, know like free throws and layups and dunks are at such a. Premium and he's developed this ability as a six' eight big body dude who has great handles and understands angles to really bait defenders into.

Free, throws well he.

Had eleven, excuse me he had seven free throws in the first five minutes of the game and the thunder. Had, eleven well the wolveshead zero in the, first quarter and, you're like is? This really is that really a? Fair whistle He had it was fourteen for, the game which is not an, absurd amount but when he's struggling to find his shot off of real field goal attempts and seemingly is only able to find a rhythm by getting to the foul on, That consistently, YOU'RE like i don't

Free throws speaking OF said mvp two, part question your THOUGHTS on sga receiving the award and do you have any insight as to why we were all waiting for weeks to get.

THIS news i was disappointed in the league for not. ANNOUNCING it, i mean how many times have We, had well first, of all let's start. With this, THE league i think it was seventeen eighteen is when they started to revamp the, awards process and they starting then would announce, the, Finalists right so the only reason we knew that the Finalists included jokic and Hi. Yis alexander obviously logically we, knew that but the only way we knew it empirically

You referenced the Confidence of minnesota during, practice today and ACCORDING to i believe IT Was espn Stats and info eleven of thirty nine on. OPEN threes i will say a lot of those open threes were. Pushed BACK like i Do Think oklahoma city's defense just continues.

To be really really difficult.

To crack vote what sort of adjustments do you exc fact for them to try to make so they can attempt to go back home tied at one, to one.

An interesting thing in, a moment And the edwards last night SAID that i need to play off the ball More and i'll be the guy getting those cuts and shoot opportunities because they're going to continue to pack. THE paint I asked finch about that today and he actually backed. It up, he, said well, you know we want to whether he has a ball in his hands or he's getting it from, a teammate we just want to create.

PAD triumple i know you're YOUNGER than, i am but not, by MUCH so i can ask you This Favorite nicks pacers Playoff moment, HISTORICALLY speaking.

I eight points in. NINE seconds i think that comes to. MIND immediately.

I.

Probably, that honestly they're all kind of an amalgam. TO me i, couldn't, say well that was, ninety four and that was, ninety one and that was. Ninety FIVE but i think just the warm fifty a TONE memories i HAVE OF Nbn nbc sunday afternoon at, the garden a monorshad that sideline potential hatime report and A STORM, peter vessi, you know breaking down The Latest, antonio daniels you know

One ANOTHER before i set. You loose do you have? A lian you know we were talking about. THIS earlier i listened to a bunch of, different pods including your guys run you down for no reason while you were, catching STRAYS and i watched a bunch of. DIFFERENT shows i really feel like this. IS split i don't know that there's a consensus like everyone's On the knicks Or.

The pacers do you have? A lien as far as how you think this thing is going.

To go.

Part of me feels like this is like one of those things Where the pacers are completely getting overlooked because the story For the knicks and the history behind.

That franchise is so strong and for, various reasons, you know not, just ratings BUT just i think you see all the Scene In new york after they clinched the, conference finals like that is, That's awesome like that's what. Sports is that makes it so compelling to see that continue to grow from a conference files to the files IS something i think a lot of us are. ROOTING for I think nixon SEVEN because i think my heart is kind of With the, knicks there but my head says That the pacers are not an.

Easy out, All, Right david now you got to get going because you have to file a story in. Seven hours so we'll set you loose so you can slow play your piece and appreciate.

The time man. Enjoy, okac yeah thanks to talk to.

You soon, dave.

Mcmannimum whose favorite Part Of Salt lake city Is getting panda expressed as he walks from his hotel To The.

Delta center you didn't, Say panda what do? You say pf? Changs there. You go what's? The difference? Is there is there? A? Difference yeah but? IS there i mean literally they're.

Different places but don't they Both serve chinese food in a very?

Quick fashion THEY do PF change i think is a little more sit.

DOWN right i, don't, know man but that's the one thing you can take from your time And, saw lake you and joy staying At the marriotte AND Grabbing pf chanin's on your walk From the marriotte To The.

Delta, center yeah we Gotta get dave.

Out now to, be clear maybe not, like nightlife maybe a.

Little bit there's some night. Life here i'll let you give the. Nightlife tour I'll. Give dave.

I'll take dave To the daughters Of The Utah. Pioneers museum don't. Do that why we're trying.

To convince i'm Quite sure dave does not want to go To the Daughters. Of pine do respect To. The pioneers we are pro pioneers on. This show that's. OUR stance i don't Know that dave would enjoy spending an afternoon At the Daughters of pioneers museum Here In. Salt lake maybe we come up with. Different options, we'll see we'll see that can't be like He's In.

Oklahoma city have you ever Been To? OKLAHOMA city.

I.

Have, not actually you don't need you don't need to, respect respectful respectfully to.

That city.

I'm.

Gonna, Go fine i'm gonna put it on. The, calendar, fine go and then you'll learned that we have a nice.

City here, Oh, yeah no there's A reason i have, not left not to go back to. The PIONEERS but i do believe this is. The place look, at you look, at you.

AND look i hate to be the guy that's on sports soccer Radio In salt lake that's bitching about people that don't love.

Our city i've never really been.

THAT guy i believe you're over twenty, years NOW and i get a little sick of. The NARRATIVE and i understand why for some people. It's complicated, and no we don't HAVE like i don't even Know a Vegas is tao a Nightclub. In vegas still it WAS when i went for a bachelor party in like nineteen.

NINETY eight i.

Think, so actually but, like, YOU like, I mean i could care less about that.

That.

Aspect obviously dave mcminnimon has never Been To lake effect On a saturday night at ten thirty. Or cheers, shout out cheers juniors and by, the Way. Lake, effect yeah that's an example of why our nightlife isn't awesome.

Since it's all of.

The youths shout Out. To fiddler. It's, Back Sugarhouse, Fiddler's Great dennis ericson's. Favorite bar it, was gone now. IT'S back i know, the Owner so i'm giving him a guilt. Guilty shoutout we got at little. Wing action their wings. Are good fiddler's wings.

ARE good i told you last NIGHT after i left, THE show i was ON a i should have set. You There, SHOULD yeah i mean it's a little out of, my WAY but i Lived in sugarhouse for. Twelve years then the hipsters, moved in and now it's way. Too CROWDED so i got out. Of there got to get out of. The escape the woke.

Nine of the show.

Is great then we get two woke but little, known Fact As dave fox, would say, fun fact even though None of dave's facts. Are Fun, Original FOX Original Rsl, Watch Parties. Fiddler's elbow, OH really I remember trey used to to make himself. Feel better trey would order, an entire an entire order of wings, for himself and then to make himself feel better that he wasn't just, doubting wings he would order a big cob salad drenched the cobs salad and ranch down in whiskey's wings.

And cops and, He's like i'm eating.

A salad, i'm like it's cob salad with cheese and ranch dressing that barely counts as.

A salad just to, be clear cop salad and pounds of chicken wings is right down.

My alley i'm with trailing.

That, One well i'm just saying he would try to make himself feel better like he was being healthy and order a cob salad is like the side to his wings and then just drenched the cob salad and.

Ranch dressing i'm. With it i'm. With it so shout.

Out fiddlers, all right wrapping up the program For a, wednesday afternoon halfway through that, work week you are one day closer to.

The weekends.

Of course big news of the Day Today solid tribune REPORTING that Byu quarterback Jake rreetz lath has been accused of sexual assault in a new.

Civil lawsuit jake has retained.

Legal counsel we read to you earlier the statement from his attorney and then the Statement From Brigham. Young university they released that just about an. Hour ago so of course we'll. Follow this not sure what. It means it's just, IT sucks, i mean all the, way around there's an. Alleged victim and then of course we'll see how this,

Are flying around on.

The internet you can always, not post you can always not take victory laps over things like this that are very very serious.

In nature just my, two cents.

All right We Got eastern conference finals IN, the nba We Have western conference Finals in, pro hockey a lot of college football topics randomly. As well on the program do you nervous Watch? The knicks have you always nervous watched? The next i'm kind of like, giddy excited but a little bit nervous.

For tonight very.

MUCH so i am a nervous sports fan when it comes to, you know usually it's it's very easy WATCHING because i, just. WATCH folks i just watch sports with like a, you know watching, for work watching.

For.

GREATNESS right i don't always dial in on the the. Fandom side, but man if if my team is good and there's, actual pressure there's actually urgency and it Is, the Nicks, the Mets the cowboys Or, the, HOKIES man i am a nervous nelly edge of my. SEAT right i can't seem to focus. At all if There's a nick like Tonight spends i'm getting absolutely.

NOTHING done i.

Will HAVE things i, HAVE planned i will have things, set aside AND then i will just, kind of, you know shake my knee and stay at my foot and pace across the living room and we'll see how it.

Plays out but, Nervous, watching yeah that's. That's me are you gonna watch your?

Live all are you gonna tip off before we.

Get, home no we'll be able to get home. IN time i think it's a six. Thirty tip and by, The way i'll watch.

It.

Live then what they've been doing lately is actually tipping off like ten to fifteen minutes after the.

Announced tip here's.

THE thing i hate watching sports live because of the interruptions and. The commercials but when it comes to something, Like this i've got too many text threads. GOING on i got too many PEOPLE like i Feel like i've got to watch a live and just deal with, the COMMERCIALS which i.

Hate doing that's.

The Struggle, is usually like day to day throughout, the year you'll catch me. Watching sports it's usually. On delay it's usually, on record just because watching it live is kind of time consuming when you have to intake so much of it as. We do but when it's my team in a conference finals, or later or let's say a golf major On, a Sunday, super. Bowl, etc yeah That's something i'm gonna block off my time for.

WATCH live i know we've talked, about it but tonight is what makes this. STUFF fun i got into a debate with a buddy of mine who.

Is a he's a bit of, a hipster, you know, likes music he likes.

Art like he's one of those guys that Has a christmas tree that's like small with like it looks like a. Dead tree it looks like something like Nightmare. Before christmas there. We go loves like my. Morning jacket, he's insufferable, little indie a, little bit a. Little bit, he's like why do you, Like sportsman, i'm like. It's fun life, Is hard like life. IS hard i want to sit down and watch the. Damn game and it's nights like tonight

A joke but.

Twenty, five years twenty, five years, and you, young man don't, fully understand even As a, nick fan the gravitas and wait Of A nick.

Pacers matchup.

NOT REALLY i i do remember, the series and, YOU know i remember a little bit Of The, alan Houston The trail nicks and. Late, Nineties right i'm A Big patrick, Ewing fan but most of it WASN'T like i consumed.

It, LIVE now i will say there was.

More Of A PACER's knicks rivalry than maybe you, will remember or maybe folks Outside Of new York and indiana. Will remember going Back To Mellow, Paul George, Danny granger George, hill right those twenty ten to Twenty Fourteen knicks, pacers teams both regular season and in, the postseason had, some

Knicks fan will, you well we will see how it plays.

Out Tonight the garden's gonna be, absolutely rocking should be a. Fun atmosphere we Also have stanley. Playoffs tonight you can hear that on. Our station if you're looking for the, basketball game head on over to the fan, all right we will say Good, night porter what comes?

Our way On a thursday edition of the.

Radio show On a thursday Edition Of, The drive spence speaking Of Those Knicks. Tony jones obviously he Covers, the Nuggets, the jazz COVERS the nba, at large but A big knicks fan as well of the athletic, Of course tony drops by each and. Every week we'll Talk With rafael BARLOW more nba draft Centric With, rafael Barlow but i'm sure he'll be glad to touch ON Some Nba conference

Sports court we'll go. From there there. You go that'll be A busy.

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