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So the big game coming up on Saturday, everybody's attention certainly on Saturday BYU Utah Salt Lake City, Rice Eco Stadium, eight fifteen kicktime.

Our pregame coverage, we'll begin at.

Four point fifteen with Porter Larson isaac Ociad a bunch of utes.

The line opened up at five, it.

Moved to four, it settled at four for about thirty eight hours, and then last night it moved a half a point towards Utah.

So there is some optimism on the market with the utes.

BYU as we sit here today, is a three point five point favorite. I never played in this game. Scott Mitchell did, and Scott is here for our first segment. So before we get into because I want to talk about what you and I were discussing off air. I think we both are of one mind of who we're going to see under center. What does this week bring to you? Memories, energy, what's it like as somebody who played in this game.

You know it was a totally different era where when when I was at Utah, BYU had been so dominant fifteen out of sixteen games, and so it was it was almost like they kind of we were an afterthought, you know, and which made it work. It just agonized the heck out of you, like they had no respect for you at all, and and I just I just I hated that, you know, I hated not being respected.

And when we.

Played, uh, you know, and I was around for four of the games, only played in one of them, and uh, well I played in two. That's that's and we barely lost in provo in eighty seven. But the thing about BYU that I remember the most was they were so predictable because they were so good. Yeah right, and they first down they were going to be in cover three, second down they're being covered two, and third down they were going to be in quarters covered.

It never changed, never changed.

So we were like, Okay, what's our most explosive like our home run play, like what's our best play to for you know, shot play versus cover three?

And we did that the whole the whole game.

The game where you just.

Yeah and just and just killed them.

And it was just such a fun day you know, and just so exciting and it's just so fun to beat up on someone who's so much better than you are, you know, and uh and and the cool thing about it for me is it it was great at that time, but it's still great to Utah fans. I think the one, the one comment I get the most from people is I remember nineteen eighty eight, I remember fifty seven to everybody remembers the score, you know, And so so that's

I mean they're gonna be I don't know that they're gonna be that high tonight. I think six is their ceiling time. Now, Remember the ranking isn't the seating. It's a different thing.

Okay, all right, they then maybe they're maybe they're six, but uh there might or eight.

They're gonna be high. They're still gonna be in the top ten as.

Far as as far as the CFP ranking tonight or the seating to actually play the bracket, because they're two very different things.

So the seat the seating is really what.

The Big twelve champ should be. Four.

Yes, with the seating, b YU will not be the fourth ranked team of the CFP rankings tonight. No, no way, I'll bet you. I'll bet you right now. I look, they might be seven or eight.

I don't want to get.

Into the conversation about about the rankings because because I think it's skewed, and I think it's it's all there's a whole process of methodology.

I think it's bracket. You think they're gonna be the fourth ranked team?

It?

Yeah, if they well, look I want a dramatic effect for my story. So I want them rank as high as they possibly could be by the time you go into this game on Saturday. That's when the rivalry really matters. When something's on the line by us undefeated, there's a real possibility they could run the tape. They don't have a they don't have a real strong, tough schedule going down down the stretch other than at Utah, and they could go into the Big Twelve championship game.

With no losses.

They could.

But when you're when you're the team that's stinking it up like the uts are this year, goes in and beats them and messes up their whole year, that's when the rivalry that's the best part about them.

Okay, Okay, So I appreciate the sentiment, but the fact of the matter is this is no longer an elimination elimination game for b YU because of what happened last week. So Utah could spoil their undefeated season, yes, but b YU is high speed ed to a Big twelve champion.

They are. They are in the driver driver's seat, no question.

But let me because I got to get to an interview here in a little bit. My guy, Mike, he's gonna stop by. We've got the entire three.

O'clock hour, Scott got to talk about.

But let me get Let me ask you this because you reference eighty eight and I told you this anecdote off air.

That is true.

One of my friends, who is an absolute diehard ut and is nervous out of his mind for Saturday, sure, is so grateful for what you did in nineteen eighty eight that he simply just made your NFL teams his favorite team. And I've been talking about this all week, Scott. Not to make you feel feel old, but nineteen eighty eight was the last well I'm getting there. Nineteen eighty eight was the last year I lived here before he moved back east. And Eddie Johnson came and spoke to

Yeah, he was all over it. Yeah.

So the problem is nothing that what happens on Saturday, we'll be able to salvage Utah football season. It's already done in a way that we thought that it was in a way that nobody saw coming. You can't get back into contention for the conference. The only thing worse than playing in a throwaway bowl is not being eligible for one. But Scott Mitchell, Eddie Johnson, Brandon Burton and look, I could keep going for twenty minutes.

If you have greatness in.

You for one day, and if you have the ability to find that internal fortitude to be great for one day against BYU in Salt Lake, you will be remembered differently, even if this season will not be remembered the way that we thought. Right like you can, Utah football has one more chance. The Utah football players have.

One more chance to in forty years be sitting doing a radio interview like you are right now and we reminisce about eighty eight in the way that made you a legend. That that has to be the message for Kyle this week.

Yeah, there's no question, And it certainly erases a lot of the disappointment of the season. Right and quite frankly, the year that b Yu's having makes the year Utah is having even worse. Right, It just it makes it so much worse. Winning this game it's now a rivalry game again, which is awesome. I love this, but to win it, there's no question about it. It gives you an opportunity to kind of okay, at least we beat

You know, and they have they can back it up.

They just talk trash to you, whether it's social media, whether it's at church, whether it's in the neighborhood, whatever it is. When when they when the one team has the upper hand and they just they just twist a knight. They just grind it in. So to be able no matter what happens, like if you win this game, you always you always have that regardless of what's going on.

Because this would be the because they beat him that year.

And it's kind of the same, you know, it's kind of the same type of thing. It's it's a fascinating dynamic, and it's it's such a redeeming opportunity to have the you know, just win this one game, If you can just win this one game, it's gonna it's gonna cure a lot of the als.

That you have right now.

Just if Dorian Singer goes for a buck fifty and three touchdowns and they win, like they could lose the rest of the and Dorian would always be the guy from this game that helped them beat b YU. All right, before we catch a break, we got to bring on my guy, Mikey and we'll get back to this in the three o'clock I've no real quick one question for you before we catch a break. When I listened to Brandon Rose media yesterday, Yes, he sounded like a kid that's talking like he's starting a court back.

And I hope so, and I believe that's actually going to happen because there he was different. It was different when he was in a game, it was significantly different. And he's the most you know, I was thinking about this. He's a guy that's been in the program the most, he's had the most experience. But there's also a physicalness to it. There's a physical you know, he's he has a more mature body, and that's one of the things.

Winning this one game.

So it's Saturday.

If we got to put this guy in, let's do it all right.

More than the three o'clock hour with Scott, he's going to stay with me for the entire three o'clock hour. Coming up next, we're gonna do some jazz basketball. Jazz got a win, baby went to Chicago and got a dub. Tim mcmanlstop by, we'll talk about what this season could look like for the Jazz. Then we're back to college football. Really, the rest of the show Scott Mitchell, Austin Colley, Riley Jensen. But we're live today. Ar Up Blood Services come on

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Jazz got to win last night, So first win, baby steps.

Tim McMahon Tuesday Afternoon, Tim, Happy Tuesday, Buddy, How are we doing? O?

Pardon? How are you?

We're good? We're good.

And look, I mean, this is gonna be a difficult year for the fans. It's gonna be a difficult year for our conversations because we could be very reductive and say they finally have a plan.

That plan is to lose all year.

So let's just start big picture because I feel like the best time to do this would have been two years ago, but the second best time is now. It does feel like they're leaning into a full rebuild. So from an overall standpoint, where are you at with.

The Jazz right now?

Well, I can just tell you it's been a difficult year for our conversations every year that we've been having. Me tooche Well said, Look, the Jazz are just as good as the Milwaukee Bucks. They're just as good as the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I don't know why you want to put this kind of spin on things. They are just as good as two teams that were expected to be contenders in the Eastern Conference. So, you know,

Yes, and you know I actually wanted to talk to you about some of these dynamics here, because you know, there are people that are wondering whether or not the Jazz are going to make any moves, and if they do make moves, it won't be to get better this year. And John Collins might be like the perfect guy to have on the roster because you have to pay somebody and he can give you big minutes and he's making twenty six point five mil and he's not very good.

Most of the time.

But whether it's Collins or Sexton or Clarkson or any of these vets outside of Patty Mills, Okay, they're not moving Patty Mills. But do you do you think there's any value with the vets on the Jazz roster and you anticipate them maybe making any movement or is this kind of like the perfect type a veteran group to have on a team that's really not serious about winning right now?

Well, I mean, look, they're going to be listening to offers and and certainly that stuff's not really intense right now. Obviously it picks up the close you get to the to the trade deadline. You know, the one thing I can tell you is they're not going to incentivize anything in Collins is probably tough. Correct me if I'm wrong. He still I believe he still has another year left in that contract. Because of that, probably it.

Is a player option.

Tim, I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm not breaking news here, but I'm going to suggest the strong possibility that that player option will be picked up.

So probably correctly.

But you know, like, hey, I could see a guy like certain sext in Clarks and teams that are looking for you know, scoring punch off the bench. Good teams come you know, around the time before the trade deadline. I could see those be being a couple of guys who might have some interest in the market. Like I said, the Jazz will absolutely be be listening, you know, probably even shopping those guys as that time comes. But you know, it's not like they are in the way right now.

Going to play anymore this season.

You know, Loward marketing is not a long term thing, but he's out right now. So Collins played a lot of power forward, and I will say Colin's playing well at power forward. It doesn't hurt the possibility that he might be moved for the deadline. I'm just I don't think it's likely, just because of the contract.

And then we'll get back to the Jazz because I want to ask you about Taylor, But we have some breaking news that I'll get your reaction to Tim in real time. Joel mb'd has been suspended for three games by the NBA. He's gonna cost him just over a million bucks. The suspension will start with the first game that nb can play. This is according to tweet I'm seeing from Bobby Mars. Obviously it's the situation with the

Yeah, I look, the NBA had to issue a suspension. I'll be honest with you. I am surprised that it's three games. I wasn't obviously in the locker room, you know, But like you have to set the precedent. The players, no matter how upset they are, can't put their hands on reporters. But I don't think This was some extremely violent situation. And you know, frankly I can empathize with Embiid as far as why he was so upset. Uh. You know, this was one of those situations where nobody

So moving back over to the Jazz and as you referenced, just just the horrifically sad scene that you and I talked about last time. You joined us real quick with Taylor going down for the year, So I already asked you about that, and there really is any any new information.

You just sort of.

Gutted for the kid, But I was curious to see what will would do with essentially twenty eight to thirty minutes at his disposal, and he has gone to Cody Williams and Kyle Philipowski.

He's not upping.

We're seeing a little bit more you banks time, but in the starting lineup and the guys that are playing the majority of the big minutes, it's Cody Williams, it's Kyle philip Powski. You reference marketing, you know, kind of a day to day thing. I just anticipate that we're going to deal with that all year long because I believed him this is all intentional. Obviously you were tongue in cheek about the bad starts for Milwaukee and Philadelphia, But do you believe that now the plan is very

This year?

I believe that the Jazz have recognized that floating around the ninth or tenth taking the lottery is not a way for them to really turn this thing around. So you know, call it what you want. You know, Will Hardy is not out there coaching to lose games, but with this roster he can coach his butt off. And they're not going to win a lot of games. I mean, just look around the Western Conference. You know, that's just the way it is. I mean, they're not going to

Yeah no, well said so the last time that it's been this bad.

And look, although there's not a championship banner hanging in the Delta Center, we are a spoiled market because we've had front offices who have been really smart at making measured decisions, Scott Laden, Kevin O'Connor, Dennis Lindsay. And so when Dennis took over, he moved on from Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. I mean, Millsap's still a jazz legend and Al played here for a couple of years and played well. So twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen jazz basketball is

Well, you didn't mention Walker Kest in the young group? Yes, yes, I will, and and you know the Jazz do include him in that group. You know, I think he's twenty three years old, obviously a third year guy. He's also the guy who I think has shown the most and has the uh, you know, has the best odds of becoming a you know, I don't know, foundational piece. Might be a those strong but maybe not. I think he's gonna be a really good, you know, starting big in

For sure, And certainly Hayward favors both third year players on that team, so Walker should be included in the group.

Uh ten points, twelve boards, three blocks. So to me, his start is one of maybe two or three bright spots. And I cannot come on air every day and blow smoke when this is just going to be a rough season.

But you reference Keyante now.

The last time tim that Kyante made shots at High Cliff he was a high scorer because he didn't in college, he didn't his rookie year, and he hasn't so far this year.

He was really good last night.

But essentially we have two and a half years where the splits are like thirty eight percent from a floor in like thirty percent from three He's only twenty. But at what point does that sample size become so big where you're concerned about simply his inability to make shots.

As simple as that sounds.

I mean, you can be concerned about it now, but you're not going to pull the plug on you know, you're not going to pull the plug on him, like you're going to at least see it through this season, you know, I would think in the next season, you know, in fairness to him, he didn't come into college or or the NBA with like a physically mature body. I do think he's improved his sazique, you know, over the summer,

Yeah, for sure. And to your point, they're only going to play youngsters, all right. Moving away from the jazz here, let's talk about your take on the latest. Everyone hates Rudy's story, Christian brown smashes on him, and you know, I have always been a stand up for Rudy guy, just because I saw how great he was in this community.

Is that fair?

You know, I didn't think it was honestly that huge of the deal. I was actually at that game. I talked to Rudy afterwards. I talked to Christian Brown afterwards. Neither one of those guys were really a bit too worked up about it. It was a competitive moment. I mean, Christian Brown absolutely dunked the hell out of the ball and then put a highlight on Rudy's head. There's no question about that. He was amped up. You know, he's kind of flexed and celebrated by you know, stepping into

So I'm asking you about the Timberwolves intentionally and the Cavs intentionally because the Jazz draft capital returns begin the season and it doesn't look like I mean, when when Ruy Hatcha Mura said their scouting report on Julius Randalls that he just stands there on defense and therefore they were just going to backdoor cut, I'm like, Okay, you don't love that fit with Minnesota.

Maybe they're not going to be great this year. Mike does look old.

But how real is this eight n O start from the calves with a new coaching staff and a team right now that looks really connected.

I mean, I don't think they're going to go eighty two and oh but how many games do they win last year? Correct me? I mean it's right round fifty and that was with all kinds of health problems. You know, Darius Garland had a broken John and really struggled last Sea. You know, obviously break your Day or Jos wier shite. There's a bunch of time, there's much weight completely, they had a rhythm, Donovan had all kinds of neat problems. You know, if they're healthy, they're going to be good.

Fifty one wins for the Cavs last year, so you were close to knocking that out.

Tim.

Yeah, I appreciate your time. Have a great week. It's great to have basketball back, and we'll chat too.

I appreciate it, brother, all right.

Great.

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There, I am, hello, Scott.

Hello. I never I never shoved a columnist.

I'm sure.

Oh yeah, there were some guys. I don't know if I should say this, Spence.

No, no, no, no, we're here. You gotta say it now. Go ahead, Just don't even think about it.

Just say it. This is bad, Okay. I want to hear it. This is really bad. So there was a guy. Let's say, the Detroit media.

Was kind of force brutal, and they still are, and this.

Guy was one of the most brutal. And uh yeah he was. So I'm having a hard time saying this. I'll just say I don't care.

There you go. Not a boy he died that escalated and he was young.

When he died.

And this was after I had left Detroit. I can't say that I shed many tears.

Oh it got that, you got that tough.

It was. It was the I have. My mom was amazing.

She kept every every every newspaper article, everything, all of it. So so my whole entire career is documented and and the books. When I go through Detroit, I can just open the book, look at the picture and go, did we win or lose? If we lost, it was a crumpled picture of me being, you know, mauled by the defenders. And if we won, it was this pristine picture of Barry Sanders.

So Barry got all the love.

Oh yeah, of course, And and he was great and he deserved it. But you know, it would have been nice to just every once in a while have a picture where Okay, you know we won this game and they showed something good.

They were they were not having it.

Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes I I'll chuckle a little bit if I hear one of our local teams or PR people talk about the press in Salt Lake.

I'm like, what cause I you know, I grew up in the New York market watching my.

Father get beat up every day by the thirteen daily periodicals and the six sportstock radio stations.

Yes, so we have so many soft people here, so many babies. I go, did you hear what they said about us on the radio? Did you hear what Gordon Monson wrote? I'm like, are you kidding?

You wouldn't survive for five minutes anywhere other than Salt.

Lake, you cake, It's just ridiculous.

But anyway, rant over Scott, when we last spoke to you about thirty thirty five minutes ago, I said, to you off their, I said, look, when I listened to Brandon Rose talked to the media yesterday, it sounded like a kid who thought he was going to start.

And you referenced you had some clues after listening to coach Wit.

Yeah, yeah, you know Coach Witting, And I don't have personal information. You know, this is just speculation, it's reading the tea leaves, it's just kind of the nuances of voices. And one of the things Coach Whittingham is he's a very honest man, so he wants to answer the questions truthfully.

But he's also you know, he's he understands.

Gamemanship and and and you know, if you look at the visiting locker room at right Cycle Stadium, you'll see that they're very much into we're not giving anything.

To our opponent.

I mean, the locker is just it's a joke, it's uncomfortable. So any way he can get an advantage, and so not telling anyone who the starter is is part of that advantage. That that he kind of that's his mantra, that's what he does. But he was he was very clear to me about if Isaac Wilson was a starter and Isaac Wilson has been the starter. I don't think I don't think. I don't think that. I think he

And that's what I saw with Brandon Rose.

And I understand, you know, it's a small sample, but a very small sample. That kind of gave me some encouragement. Now, Isaac Isaac Wilson, I'm not I'm not like against Isaac Wilson. I'm not down on Isaac Wilson. He's young and and and you can see that that maturity level is just really hard for a young guy to really go through the whole season and mentally be there. If you've ever been through a football season, let me tell you how it is. It's a grind it wears on you mentally,

You know, you want to see.

That turjectory, and it's just been flat, if like dipping, you know, the game. You know, every game just looks like the same game. And so there hasn't there just hasn't been anything. And so it just just tells me he's still young, still still learning, still trying to figure it out.

So I feel like Scott, if Utah is gonna win this football game, because the fact of the matter is they have not scored more than twenty three points against the p fourteen. Right, they hung forty nine on Southern Utah,

But this game is weird.

It always is, So it feels like if Utah's gonna win, it has to be like seventeen.

Fourteen or something.

I mean, do you anticipate coach Witt trying to really slow it down and Ryde McKay as much as you can and try to keep retz Laf off the field?

Like, how did you?

I guess the better way to ask it is, how does Utah win this football?

Well?

I think this offense when you saw Cam Rising in the game, was actually explosive when he was healthy, not when he came back. And and I don't know how good this offense. I know this players are good, they're talented. They lost money Parks. That hurts because he's a deep threat,

You still feel like there's an explosive offensive performance left on this roster.

There's just too much talent at the skill position, with the tight ends, with the wide receivers that it's just been inexperienced quarterback play and in an injured quarterback play. And to me, the quarterbacks in college football make a huge difference. I mean it's been a difference for BYU, there's been a difference for every team in the country that's doing well. Is you have an electrifying, game changing quarterback and you just have to have that, and Utah hasn't had it.

I think Utah's defense has done an.

Exceptional job this year, for sure.

But you've got to have You know, I don't think seventeen points. I don't think having a defensive battle. I don't think it wins the game for you. I think you've got to You've got to be explosive. You've got to be in the high twenties to maybe thirty points if you're going to have any shot in this game.

If you're you're the offense. And we don't know Brandon Rose.

We know what would happen if Isaacson, there's probably not going to happen, but maybe you get a little explosive with Brandon Rose.

Who do you think the best defense is the Utah has seen so far this year?

You know, you know Houston.

Okay, Houston was actually they were, and they were one of the one of the top defenses in the country.

But here here's this is hard too.

It's hard because every defense that plays Utah plays them a certain way. Right, they lowed the box. They dare Utah to throw the football. I mean, I mean, oh, Oklahoma State did it, every Arizona did it. Arizona State did it. Every single team except.

Baylor because Cam was underd Yeah, right.

And they all they all just said we're gonna crowd the box. We're gonna we're gonna be really aggressive play down hill, and so you do a lot of run blitzer, so you get that early penetration so that the run game just gets blown up because they don't care, like we'll throw caution to the win because because you're consistently not gonna beat us on the outside. And and the defense has kept the offense in every game and Utah

Yeah, and look they just be case State.

I mean I asked the question because I look, I was prior to.

I would say the TCU loss.

I was the radio host holding on to the final branch before I hit the ground. And it felt like everybody else's face was in the mud because prior to the TCU loss, everything was still on the table.

You know, you can get in with two losses.

You have a schedule with head to head with other teams in front of you, and now I just have to be honest, my optimism for any sort of explosive offensive performance Scott is not here today, which is why I pose the question, because it feels like if Utah is gonna win John P's four and a score, defense scores, they turn Byu over in a way they haven't turned

In a while.

Well, for me, everything always starts at first down. I mean, it's just it's just you have to start there, and so you have to be willing to get explosive on early downs and and in the early part of a series. This is something about you get off to a good play, a good start in a drive, everything just just flows. And with a guy who can throw it down the field, a guy who's willing to throw it down the field.

Uh.

And and the play action game is such a big part of what Utah has done in the past. It gives you those chunk plays. So there are some play action parts to to the offense that I would incorporate. But I would I would be willing to open it up on early downs and throw and throw the football.

And I keep saying it.

I feel like I'm a broken record with this, but I mean, the tight ends have been so massively under util lines. Yeah, and there's there's just a lot of confidence building plays that tight ends bring to an offense that if you'll use it, they're there there and they're open, and they're just they're high percentage easy throws that they might be a seven or eight yard catch which turns into an eleven yard game. You know, if you throw it on time and you throw it accurately. Uh, those

Maybe that key that kind of unlocks this offense.

I want to go back to something you referenced in our first hit to start the show, and just to throw a few names.

We talked about a few of these earlier.

The Scott Mitchells of the world who in ninety eight goes for three eighty four and three touchdowns, the Eddie Johnson's of the world, the Mike McCoy's, the Jamal Anderson's, the Chris Fua Matzamahafala, the Brandon Warfields, the Steven Savoys, the Brett Ratliffs, the Brian Johnson's, the John Whites, the Joe Williams, the Brandon Burton for the block. The fact of the matter is you can be remembered as a legend with one great game against Brigham Young.

But as you referenced, and if.

You pull up both to be fair, if you pull up both Utah and BYU's roster, you see players from California, Washington, Texas, Florida, Canada, California, Arizona, and I could keep going Kahuku. Obviously, I don't know what the percentage is. There's a good amount of players on both teams.

It did not grow up here.

I think it's fair to say maybe back when you were playing, there was more of a local presence on both rosters generally speaking. So if your coach with if you're obviously the coaching staffs from both teams know exactly what's at stake on Saturday, how do you get the message across from a to a kid from Rosenberg, Texas, Like, dude, Saturday is different.

I'm sorry if you don't fully understand, but it just is.

I think it's really hard.

Again, I thought it would be one of the biggest challenges, one of the biggest concerns for Utah because they've been out, they haven't been conference foes for so long. And you can be from a different state, you can be from a different you know, part of the country, and and but if you've been conference foes for a while, like it matters.

Yeah.

I remember interviewing the players from USC and the PAC twelve media days and they're like, you know, do you like having that late season game against Notre Dame?

You know, because it.

Can really in there, like like we would never give that, Like that game means so much to us and so understanding and being in the thick of a rivalry that matters. I don't care where you're from, it'll matter right now. They haven't been conference foes, and I think and for that, I think b YU has a harder challenge because they have so much more to lose, you know, and so there's so much more pressure on on BYU and this gin.

So let's continue the quarterback conversation, but let's switch over to what you've seen from Jake. Jake Rhetz laugh who last year in four starts, lost all four of them. And I watched every minute of those games. He made so many errors, not just the ones he paid for. He had throws that should have been picked off. He had fumbles that were covered by his own team. It was a comedy of errors of sorts. Obviously that kid put in some serious work. I was told that it

The problem is Utah football.

For everything you said about their d because most of the numbers indicate they're a top two or three d in conference except for two, they don't get to the quarterback and they don't force turnovers. But for all of Jake's brilliance this year, there are still three or four moments every game where you're like, that should have been picked, you should have paid for that.

So he's been really good. I'm not knocking off. But if your Utah's defense are those Jake.

And you go, well, we haven't turned the ball, we haven't got turnovers a lot, we haven't got to the quarterback percentages. Just say it will come inevitable.

It's inevitable that can happen, right, And a lot of it has been game situations. A lot of it's been a lot of teams have been really really conservative playing this Utah defense.

They have not let the quarterback sit in the pocket.

They haven't had to because you're not playing from behind, you're not you know, So the one element that and that's on the offense. The offense doesn't put pressure on the other team's offense because we don't have to score because you guys suck.

Off.

And so so those are a little misleading because I like a lot of what this defense is and what they've done. They've just been they've been in some really unfortunate tough situations.

And meat and potato metrics are good, good against the run, they're good against the past, the good efficiency.

Yes, and and and under duress because there have been a lot of three and outs made eleven punts, you know, I think against TCU and and you just do you get tired, You get worn down in a game, and it's and it's hard to to stay at that high level every single play, every single series. And that's why you see kind of these big plays that happened from time to time because someone just got tired and they just didn't quite get to their gap where they're supposed to be.

And that you know, that's just the product of just being tired.

But yes, so so what what Jake reds Laft has done is he's just made some plays at the right time, and he's made plays running the football. And but there's a little bit of I've lived on some borrowed time here, and that catches up with you eventually. You know, you you live by a certain way and you're gonna die by it eventually, because that's just that's just the way things are. And and I and that's to me, the pressure of this. You know, can you create enough pressure

And I think if you talk and do that, you know they're they're gonna have a chance. You know.

To me, I think your defense is gonna give you a chance no matter what. I think they're really going to give him a chance if they can do that. And and it's just can the offense produce enough? Can you find other opportunities? So maybe you play a little bit more aggressive on defense to try to get interceptions. Maybe you open up your special teams to try to, hey, let's get a return somewhere somehow, let's go after and

But the quarterback, to me, really it's it's a b y u is.

Everyone's just playing with a lot of enthusiasm. You know, they're just playing hard. I don't know that they're extra special talent wise or whatever. I don't I don't know talent wise, you know, I don't know that it's very different across the board in the conference. But there's just they're just having fun playing football. They're energized, they believe in what they're doing, and and that that you find ways to create opportunities on the field when you play like that.

One more thing for the segment that we're gonna grab my guy Mikey here. So I referenced when you were playing, it felt like there were just more local players on each roster who got it.

But there weren't. They weren't all local players.

So what was it like for you as somebody who was a local, to explain to your teammates who didn't grow up here what this game is actually like.

H.

Okay, I have a funny story, jar.

And so we they someone from BYU painted the U blue, right, and our players did not like that, right, And so some of them were gonna go down and they were gonna they were gonna paint something red in Provo. Okay, and they were players of color. And I said to them, understand your enthusiasm here, but you're gonna stick.

Out in Provo.

Maybe don't do that down there.

You're gonna they're.

Gonna, they're gonna go You're not from here, right, And so they end up going down there, and they they tried to paint the cougar at outside the stadium red and they were arrested before they got they got there. But it it really didn't take long for anyone to understand this rivalry in my time, because BYU was so they were so arrogant about and.

They had the right.

I mean again, fifteen out of sixteen, I mean BYU had it going on two yeah, right, yeah right, And so.

No one took that lightly. Whether it just it didn't.

Matter, it wasn't it wasn't hard in that game. It's like, all right, guys, you've set yourself out there, you better come out ready to play. And they did, and we actually lost that game. I think it was it was like twenty one seventeen or something. It was, it was in nineteen eighty seven. It was a close, close game. But yeah, we understood everyone understood the rivalry and it probably meant more to us to win it and to play in it than I think than I think b yu more.

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And you can enter to win tickets for BYU Utah football on Saturday night, and you can also grab a Megaplex movie pass, you can get the autograph of the man who slayed the Mighty Giant back in nineteen eighty eight. Scott Mitchell's here live on site for another big, long, juicy football segment. All right, Scott, So we are of the same mind that we do believe it's Brandon Rose over Isaac Wilson. As we've talked about, what's what's the difference?

What's a reasonable expectation for you fans? With a play caller who will have his second game under his belt and a young man who we both believe is going to make his first college football start.

The biggest difference happens when the players believe, right, it's not so much the quarterback, it's all the people around you. You go and there's a there's a tendency to try a little bit harder, and it's not it's not a conscious thing per se. Maybe sometimes it is, you know whatever, but but most of the time it's like, Okay, hey, we got a guy in here. He's gonna get me the ball, and and and uh, he's gonna make plays. We're gonna we're gonna have a chance. It's it's that

So I want to ask you about the Houston game, And as you pointed out earlier, I mean, look at this point, like this week, we were supposed to do our Big twelve Power rankings. Yeah, and I'm like, let's kill the segment because I would say it's b YU one.

Then everyone else tied to through, so I.

Don't know who's good and Houston just BATK State, So maybe they figured some things out. That was game one for Mike Jacan. You played the position at the highest of levels. Did you notice anything different with the play calling?

Is?

Did he put his own stamp on that game at all?

I don't know that.

I don't know that it was significantly different. They've they've ran an actual screen and and it worked, and it you know, and and so that was maybe a little difference, but everything else because you don't want to just like fire sell the whole entire office.

You can't.

You can't learn those other those players can't learn a new system. It's just impossible and learn it and feel confident to go run in game situations.

So you're it's gonna be the same plays.

Uh, you know that Andy's had and you don't want to change it because the players are good.

It's not it's not a it's not a question.

It's about executing the plays and and about you know, making making plays, it's about converting third downs, it's about

So it's very safe to say that Utah is gonna have to protect the quarterback and they're gonna have to open up some lanes for the running backs because b yu, they have gotten to the quarterback and they do force turnovers, they do create havoc plays we're hearing and maybe you have some first hand inside here, some rumors about maybe some O linement that aren't entirely healthy for Utah. B YU will be without Connor pay and one of the doesn't one of the receivers is out.

But they've got like seven dudes in that room. Tell me what you've seen from the.

O line, both the good and the bad this year, and what you're expecting on Saturday against a really good BYU.

Front really quick about the conference and who's good and who's bad and banking everything. I think the conference almost from top to bottom is about the same, even by us, And so it's a matter of timely place, it's a matter of playing right. It's a matter of how your schedule flows out, and not only not only who you play, but when you play them, you know. And so I mean, you look at Utah going down the road. They got BYU, who's at the top of conference. They've got Colorado who's

Been a very consistent performance.

The quarterbacks have had time to throw the football and they've done an exceptional job of actually run blocking. What the thing that I saw early on, and I saw a lot last year, was too many guys were just missing blocks, whether it was in the run game or in the passing game, just getting beat on one on one situations. And sometimes that's a product of youth. You know, there was a little bit of youth in the offensive line.

Uh.

The the offensive line, to me, has been a very pleasant surprise this year. They I certainly think they've done a pretty a pretty decent job. The one thing that's been hard, and Utah has been so good at it in the past is running in the red zone and running inside the ten yard line, and you haven't seen that this year. There have been some situations where they've had some some short yardage and that they haven't converted on. But but overall, you know, I've liked what the offensive

So of course we know that Kay Bernard is running back one, and Kyle told us as much, and I think there was some skepticism about whether or not he could run between the tackles because we just hadn't seen him do it, but he has been able to do it, certainly in spurts we've seen a little more Jalen Glover as of late. Jalen had some unfortunate media availability yesterday where he decided to say some things that probably might end up on a bulletin board.

But that happens, It's okay. Called it the Cold War.

Which yeah, close, you know, mistakes are made, But Jalen Glover has had really good games for Utah in the past in really big situations. I'm not saying that this is the answer because I agree with you until they find it on your center with a quarterback, you're kind of running uphill.

Sure, but can we see a little more Jalen. You think as the season wears on.

You always have to have a number two guy. Uh.

The number one guy just can't carry the load throughout the season. You're just gonna You're just gonna wear down, and you wear down in the game. You just they they need a break from time to time. I've always been a fan of Jalen Glover. For for whatever reason, he's fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. I don't know why, you know, I just know that it's been the case. And uh and and I'm sure some of his conversations or some of his you know, uh

Yeah, I would imagine wanting to show you, yeah right, keep me off the field. And that's a good thing, you know.

And I don't think it's intentional by the coaches to like, well, let's let it, let's get it pissed off and then you'll play good.

You know.

It's just a byproduct of everything. And I don't want to give a coach any good ideas that maybe they start that that.

That the strategy.

But I like him and I think he could he could have some kind of an impact on this game and even for the rest of the season.

As far as as you outlined earlier, a roster that's still and this was the as I as I talked about last segment, This was the branch I was holding on too before I fell flat in the mud. Is I still believe the talent on the roster is there and there's a reason why all of us. And when I say all of us, I don't just mean locally, I mean the national media too honed in on this team as the favorite to win this.

Conference and go to the CFP.

That maybe we were misguided, but it doesn't mean we weren't wrong about the personnel. So I want to talk about and obviously you have experience playing quarterback in the pros. I would imagine at some point, maybe during a rough period for you or your team, some of your targets weren't thrilled with you because you weren't throwing them the football. How tough is it for a Dorian Singer or a brand Keithy or any of these guys Caleb Loher who has three catches on the year and all three of

I think it's brutally hard. Yeah.

If I was in that situation, it would drive me banana. I'm sure I would just be like, oh my goodness. You know, in Detroit I had Herman Moore and Brett Perriman and and Johnny Morton was our third guy, and you know, and he was really good and Bretton and Herman had over one hundred catches and and Brett was still mad like he's like, you know, throw me the ball, you know, and and and for me, I liked it.

Last set about a play.

But uh, and I love Brett and I'd love throwing a football to him. With the Utah situation, I just I feel for these guys, I really do, because you have to you have to show up, and you have to play hard, and you have to you may be in the third quarter and you you may have been you know, real time, sitting there for three hours before you've thrown your first pass has thrown to you and then go, okay, catch it now, you know, and and it's and it's and that's why, that's why I talk

You know, hey, okay, I know you're you know, what do you like?

You know, just anything, just even if you're even if you're bsing with them, just talk to them, Just talk to all of them, because uh, they want to feel like, you know, they're they're they're involved in they're they're a part of this. And and human nature is just like why in the world am I going through this over and over and and uh and I'm never getting the ball. I'm not involved because everyone that goes out on the field, and I shouldn't say everyone, but most everyone they go.

I want to be a difference maker, you know, give me the ball.

I want to be someone that that hasn't uh, you know, some some kind of input impact on the outcome of this game, and when you're not involved, it's just it's such it's such a hard thing. And it's so hard when you know you have a lot of really good players because then you're you're like those players are never going to reach their full potential of what they could really be because and so you've got to really get guys that buy into it's about the team and it's

Well, and for guys like Dorian Singer and Bran Keithy, I'm no NFL scout, but you can find mock drafts that have them.

As NFL prospects.

The guys you were thrown too, it's about their money, right, Like they want their catches because they want their contract. But if you're Branton Dorian, you want to put good tape out there so you can get drafted. And they haven't had the quarterback this year, although maybe it doesn't matter. Devon vele is killing it in Denver and he didn't get Cameron as much as we thought he would either,

And rightfully so you know, I'm not mad at no, because it's like, look, you know, it's a it's a special opportunity to get to play on Sundays.

It's it's incredible.

And and knowing that, you know, so much of it depends on kind of I need to get exposure. I need to have people see what I'm I'm all about and what I can do, and and and being in a situation which which if you're if you're a recruit, it's like, why would I want to go to a school where I'm not going to get that Look, I'm not going to get that exposure, I'm not going to get that development and that that that don't lily hurts you now, it hurts It hurts future future prospects, you know,

You know, you know who knows.

And so the money side of it can work kind of both ways where I need I want to show that I can get paid, but then I'm getting paid and I'm less motivated because you know, I'm kind of being taken care of.

Right now, How do you think Utah has adapted to the new reality of the sport.

I mean, I'll just ask your point blank.

Coach Witt was asked about it, and he just essentially set out, difficult it's been. It felt like the early returns were fine. Utah didn't have like a mass exodus.

That did.

They lose some people for sure, like the jaquinin stuff hurts.

He's really good.

So they've lost people like everybody else. They've also brought people in like everybody else. But now that we have about almost three years of data behind us, how do you think Utah Football handles has handled the new normal?

Well, the thing that I like is they've recognized that it's what you have to do, and I think there's a real effort to do the best they can as far as you know, raising money and having money available

You know, it really it really challenges it.

I mean, if anything's hurt them, it's not been players leaving. It's been it's been Cam Rising not being able to play. I mean a lot of money went into cam Rising for the last two years for the limited production, and I think it's money well spent, if you you know, I honestly, I think you look at any program in the country, they're going to go out and get a guy, even the top one like Oregon got Dylan Gabriel and

Since I've simply never asked you the question on air, Cameron has an eighth year of eligibility left. Well, I feel like this is a scenario where a married couple still loves each other but just kind of wants to go experience the world.

So you give each other hugs, say go take care. This has been fun. Do you It's probably in the best interest.

And I had Eric Weddel on the day of the Monday after the ASU game.

He was pretty forceful.

He's like, no, that's the love can but that's not Where are you at with the potential of him coming back?

Yeah, you talk.

There's just a lot of fatigue there both in in the program, like we've had enough, and there's a lot of fatigue kind of from the booster donator side of it, like yeah, we've maybe had enough of this, and and it, and it probably is in in everyone's best interest to to to move forward.

You know, there's.

Coach Shula I think would sell his own mother to win, you know, and and so so the competitive side of you goes, yeah, but remember those two years when when you won championships and.

He comes back?

Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, is there a willingness to do it?

Is?

Do you have to pay for it?

You know?

Does he want to does he want to do it?

I'm not I'm not convinced that that Cam is a legitimate NFL prospect, but you know, all bets are off if you're trying to win championships, and if you have a good player and you can get him in your program and he can be healthy, I think you're I think you're foolish not to consider that.

All right, Scott, Before I set you loose, since this is the time I get with you this week, I.

Want to ask you for a final score prediction.

I'll ask you whether or not the ute inside of you anywhere has been able to find confidence that Saturday Night could actually go Utah's way.

Okay, so the the protective fan side of me just says, man Utah is gonna lose this week, you know, like you just prepare yourself, just set expectations, right, and so then if they But but the real side of me says, this is a this is a really tough game for BYU. It's a scary game for BYU because Utah is not as bad as what their record says it and and and it could just you know, it could be a funny thing. And I really feel like that's probably more of what what's going to happen. I think we're all

They have to get more than twenty four.

And I think I think BYU I'm gonna go twenty seven to seventeen.

Twenty seven seventeen Utah wins. I think it's I think it's played the damn fight song.

I think it's it's turnover laden and there's some help in there.

But twenty seven to seventeen.

All right, my friend, Well, thanks for coming out.

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Friend of the Show, it's been a while.

It's great to have Austin Collie back on the program on a Tuesday.

Austin, Happy Tuesday, man.

How you doingany Tuesday?

How are you?

I'm well, I'm well. I appreciate your time today.

So, just generally speaking, what is Utah BYU Week like for you? As somebody who played in this rivalry once upon a time.

I'll tell you what I'll be honest, I tend to get a lot of requests to do some you know, radio bits and different media outlet interviews. So it's it's fun, man. It's a game that I've you know, I've always held near dear to my heart, and I think all BYU and Utah fans have and you know it. It's nothing but great for college football and great for the stadium.

How has your prism or review on the rivalry changed in the years in between your performances and you had some great games against BYU. We remember fourth and eighteen you c got eighteen passes for three h four and a touchdown. And then obviously you made remarks that I always maintain we're taking a little bit out of context.

But you know the deal with.

This, if you say one thing there were, people will run with them forever. So you're still kind of the magic happens guy. And when that went down, people were not very nice to you, Austin. So, between then and now, how is your view of the game changed, if at all?

Oh, I think I've put more stock into the game now.

Like you know, prior to.

Prior to coming here and prior to coming to by U, right, I lived in California.

I was.

I was a packed ten at the time. Kid. You know, I really didn't pay too much attention about, uh, you know,

I gotta love that.

I wonder if you have, because, as I referenced, you had several memorable moments.

Against the youths. Is there one that stands out above the rest?

I imagine I know the answer to that question, but I wanted to get it from you.

Yeah.

No, I you know, before the eighteen obviously is you know, that's what I'm constantly reminded of from YU fans and and Utah fans alike. Obviously Utah fans have a little bit more hate in our heart when they talk about that play. But you know, I think every game I played, even against Utah, it it was different. It was definitely

So I believe, Austin, you were part of the last b YU team to win in Salt Lake?

Is that is that accurate? I think that's true.

That is not true, so I I the last time I won was the fourth and eighteen year was two thousand and seven. And then I, you know, luckily was able to play against two of the best Utah teams that Utah has ever had, right in four lost to them and four and then you know, as luck would have it, I lost them and O eight when they went to the Sugar Bowl, so U, I only got them one time out of three, So I'm not gonna.

Lie to yet.

You know, every time we didn't get him, I go ahead and I chalk that up as my own win as well.

Be fair enough.

Fair enough you you reference to dynamic about you personally that I wanted to tap into a little bit more, because you know, the these days Austin, as you know, you can pull up either Utah or BYU's roster and you see kids from Texas, in California, in Florida, in Canada.

In Virginia, and I could keep going. And so it.

Breeds this conversation where if you're not a local, do you really understand what this game means as somebody who did not grow up here? Do you think the out of state kids really understand what that environment is going to be like on Saturday night? Or is that something that you simply have to experience firsthand?

No, I think you have the experience firsthands, right like I grew up you know, watching the USC Notre Dame, you know, the Arizona Arizona State, the stay for USC game or stay for cal games like those are the you know, and obviously the Michigan, Ohuse State. And those are the rivalries that I knew. And then you know, having experienced myself, now I have the appreciation that this is like a top three rivalry in the country in my opinion, right, And I I try to say that

So you've made some of the most infamous comments in the history of this rivalry, as we've talked about.

But I've always maintained that the real hate.

When it comes to Utah BYU is fans who use the internet to feel brave. Cowards use the internet to feel brave, so they go online, they attack people in a way they never would in real life, and it seems to very rarely spill over.

Into real life, although that does happen.

But it always felt like the coaches and the players respected each other, respected the you know, the the other institution. Intel, a quarterback that you played with, Max Hall, said I don't like Utah.

I hate them. I hate everything about them. That was the first time like your comments. In my opinion, yes.

They were remembered in a way that probably is a little bit uncomfortable, but I thought that was kind of like no harm, no foul to me, and then.

Max just goes, you know, nuclear on the entire thing thing. How accurate are Max's comments?

Are they truly reflective of the way that most b y U players feel about the University of Utah.

I don't know.

That's a that's a great question, you know, and it's it's a great question to ask only because you know, as the locker room from a geographically diverse or or or continues to become more geographically diverse in terms of where each players come from and not understanding like back back in my day, man, like we had a lot of kids from Utah, so they understood what this rivalry meant. And you could say there was some hatred, there was some uh it will right, uh wished upon the other university.

And I just had never heard a player say what Max said. And for me, somebody who, as I say, I cheer for storylines in my space to talk about, I'm like, sweet, well I've got an I've got a week of content based off of the comments of Maxall. It was just New Austin because I had never heard a player under that phrase, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

It doesn't help too that, you know, Max and I during those days, we would walk around, you know, unfiltered, right, and nowadays I don't think they can get away with that that much, just because of you know, all the eyes and all the outlets, and you know just how popular college football is now to eight compared to when it was back then. But yeah, yeah, Max, I think I think most of the players steel that way. I think Max is the only one brave enough to say it.

So we had Colanie on yesterday, and when Colde was up here as the decordinator, I did a weekly coaches show with him, so I was able to get to know him and a Rod's my guy, and Jay Hilla you grad it feels from my seat Austin that Kilanie has taken the lead along with Coach Wit, because it's very much Coach Mac and Coach Leavelle as far as

Do you feel like that's accurate? What are your thoughts on that?

Yeah?

Maybe, you know, I think we kind of put back in the Broncos at Broncos, you know, coaching tenure. I think I would say that it was easy to have a target on our back, right, and I think that was kind of like self inflicted in terms of maybe the hate that Utah had for us, right. I mean, when we're going out there saying things like, you know, quest for perfection and and maybe taking a platform a more I don't know, a religious stance on the university,

Back up for sure. Yeah, good point.

I want to ask you because we had always heard, you know, the way coach Wait and Morgan coach this week and how it's we don't lose to them, and rumors of other things that may not be above board that I can't speak to because I was not there for any of them, Juxtaposed to the way Bronco prepared you guys for this game. It always felt like Bronco kind of took a nameless, faceless approach and this is just another game type thing, even though we all know it's not.

How did Bronco get you ready for Utah b Yu? What was that week?

Like?

Yeah, it was business as usual to be honest with yes, Like I mean that that was kind of Bronco's approach. You know, no, no opponents greater than the others, and you know it is more just show up and play our game. We're gonna we're gonna be just fined. And and to be honestly, I hope I hope Colani takes a little bit more, has a little bit more or he's a little bit more edge to the guys, right and preparing him that that this week is not this

Right.

So it's not it's not the same week, it's not business as usual. This is a different game. It's a different opponent. They're coming and playing with some you know, coming from a place or playing from a place that you know they're not playing.

Uh you know, they're they're not.

They're not playing with with any other opponent.

If that makes sense, it does.

And from my perspective, I think Kilanie smells blood in the water. Kilanie is the sweetest guy in the world, but make no mistake, when it's time to play, he wants to kick your ass.

And I think he smells blood in the water.

I think he sees a team that has struggled offensively to do much of anything.

And I think they're coming up here for blood, man, I really do.

And there's no data point that indicates Utah is a better football team than BYU.

It does not exist. The numbers, not just the record.

You go deeper, there's plenty of data points that indicate Utah still has a really stout defense, but offensively it's been a mess. I think, you know, it's not just Kilane. It's a fan.

Base that heard four years enjoy your independence. We're in the PAC twelve now.

It's fan base that basically for a generation has had the results more or less lopsided. Even though BYU got Utah last time to break a nine game losing streak, my feel is those boys are gonna be out for blood.

They're coming up here and they're they're smelling the blood in the water.

Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope they come in with a with a different swagger than they have in years past. And I hope they come in with a mentality that they're going to you know, handle business and continue to convince the country that they're going to be Big Twelve champions and and hopefully end up in the College Football Playoff.

So a few minutes we have left, let's talk about what's impressed you the most, because look, the fact of the matter is Austin with what happened last week in the Big Twelve, like the walking line for ute fans media was like, Okay, you have a chance to spoil BYU season.

Well you don't because BYU could lose.

On Saturday and still and they do still have a very very realistic path through the Big Twelve championship and therefore the CFP, and obviously the one thing you could ruin is a perfect season, which is always impressive when you've seen it the way that we have with eight and oh five to zero conference.

What has stood out most.

To you about the way Kilane and a Rod and Jay and the whole staff, the way they've been able to piece this together every week to answer every question that's been thrown at them.

Yeah, I I mean, they're they're professionals, right.

I think.

I think it would be easy to kind of tower. You know, typically when when a team like b YU, who maybe hasn't found themselves in the top twenty five or even you know, obviously the top ten for quite some time, and maybe came in as an underdogs, it's easy to kind of get in the bright lights and maybe shy away or start doubting yourself if you're even

Last year, Jake struggled. Jake Reetzloff struggled. He lost all four of the starts he had. But I was told early on Austin in the process that this is not a quarterback competition, even though that's kind of what they were presenting, and Jake had really put in the work to grab that job earlier than most of us learned and understood. And look, I will say, there are still moments that you're kind of a little bit nervous. He makes some throws, some decisions that are very risky, but

Think, I mean, going back to what he said about you know, maybe the word being that there wasn't a B competition, I would I don't know how true that.

All right, buddy, before I set you loose, I've asked all my guests all week. You don't have to give you one if you don't want to. There's no pressure here. But what's your gut? Tell you what goes down on Saturday. If you want to throw out your score prediction, please feel free to do so.

Yeah, I would love to tell you that we're gonna dog walk them right out of right cycles, but don't. I don't think that's gonna happen. I think, like I said, this game is always decided by a small margin of victory. And and uh, I think it's gonna be something like a twenty one twenty four outing.

Well, that should make for a fun Saturday.

Well, of course, if you just picked Utah, you just made a little news. I assume you were going blue. Are are you rolling up here for the game? You're gonna be here on Saturday?

No, I should be doing like the BAU Sports Nation pregame and postgame show, so I'll be out of pro vote at broadcast.

Consider well, I really know right.

On, really appreciate your time, buddies, So enjoy the week. It's always a fun one.

Okay, all right, brother, you too have a great one.

Austin coley Man was he a player both at Bring him Young, then in the NFL and unfortunately his career cut short with concussions. But he's a sweet guy. I know you fans don't like him. I've known him for years. He's good people.

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Excited to have my next guest on played college quarterback. Little cup of coffell, not a cup of coffee, cup of I don't know, tea whatever it is down at BYU. Went to Utah State. He's been in the media for a while. He's a good buddy of mine. Great to have Riley Jensen on on a Tuesday. Riley, Happy Tuesday, man, how you doing, Hey.

What's happening? It was a cup of decap you know, Okay, okay, I get it because these guys are down there. I'm glad you guys are down there give us blood. My daughter was born at twenty five weeks oh wow. And some of the blood from Arup was donated for the four transfusions that my daughter received. And I'm not trying to make it a sad story, but it's an amazing

That's great to hear if Now, I had a little nephew born about at the same time, so I know what that's like to watch them try to grow. So great here that she's doing well, Really appreciate your time. Let you start from this standpoint as a local boy, how does this week hit you when you hear it's time for Utah b YU football?

Well, as a as a as a youngster, I grew up as a as a huge b y U fan. Now you got to remember I grew up in the in the in the b YU era of Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and uh Ty Depver. So those those were some big years for me to watch football, and I can remember. I can remember all the games

Up player see, I'm with you. I love this week. I always have.

And I never played for a paycheck, but you know, I was part of a couple of really fun high school rivalry game situations and I always love that anticipation.

Take me into your experience.

As a player wherever you played, because you played in a number of different schools, played at a high level. When you knew that that week you were playing your rival, what's the energy like what's the what's the week like?

Is it tough to sleep?

Like?

What's it like for these players this week?

Well?

I think I was fortunate in some of my rivalry games that that my coaches didn't make too big of a deal of it. But I think the thing that I could say about each rivalry game that I played in is that you don't have any trouble getting fired up for the game you're You don't have a lot of trouble focused. I think you have a little bit of inpatience for teammates that aren't dialed in, and that

Were going to have.

The youths right now are going to be motivated and they're going to be ready to play. And I think that's why sometimes when there's a discrepancy between records, the game becomes a lot closer because it's just not tough to get motivated during a rivalry week.

So ultimately, there really isn't any data available to indicate Utah's.

Better than BYU. It does not exist.

I'm not just talking about the records. If you dig into the numbers and the stats, there are a few metrics that ind k Utah's defense is better than BYUS. But for every metric if you find on defense, you can find a couple of other metrics. Defensively, BYUS better at getting to the quarterback, they're better at forcing turnovers, they're better at causing havoc plays.

So there's no data.

Available to give a youth fan, you know, hope that their team could win this game coming up. However, as you just outlined, and as we've talked about all week, the bizarre nature of the game leads to chaotic situations often times. Now I saw your tweets and I want to dig into them. Now you send out a tweet highlighting the good in Utah's offense. I was impressed you found some because there has not been a lot. Now in your video breakdown, you have Isaac starting. I believe

Well, so so there, I'm not I'm not saying they have any inside source on who's going to start it all because they don't. Just looking through the video, and granted I don't have as as much video on mister Rose as I do on on Isaac Wilson, I still think that Isaac gives them the best chance to win. Now, if that may not be right, that may not be what they observe in practice, but I think when I when I dug into the video, I'm seeing a young man who's stilling a lot of pressure to make a

Now.

Granted, I will say in the Houston game he missed five six eight throws that I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that he'd lost some confidence and he's lost a little bit of his futzbuh

To be honest with you, it's exactly what I wanted to follow up because based off your video breakdown, from my vantage point, it has been far.

From the weakness. There's been more good than bad.

Now I cannot cooperate any of the rumors concerning the health, but there are some rumors that Utah could be down a couple of on linemen.

We'll have to wait and see.

But during your video study, what stood out most to you about the play of the old line?

So in the old line, what's been a problem for me has been the center and the guards. And that's a tricky part of the oppensive line because there's constantly some communication that needs to take place that says, Okay, the center and the guard are going to go left, this guy on the right is going to go to the right. There's always kind of a triangle of defense right in the middle there, and they've miscommunicated quite a

Constantly have a guy in your face when.

You're throwing the ball, it makes it difficult to throw the ball down shield. When they've been able to do it, they've they've been really good, and they've been able to get behind some defenses, and they've done some good things. Now I think really good, I'm thinking good on those high plated incidences.

They haven't.

What's been frustrated with the University Utah offense is not being able to stream together two and three drives a game. It's all been kind of big plays or no plays.

So on the other side of things, you also did a video breakdown of Utah's defense, and most of the metrics for Utah's defense they're very good, including number one of the conference in average yards allowed. And I will not bore my audience by just running down all their defensive numbers.

I'd say that the meat and potatoes of defensive.

Football, Utah is still probably a top three or four defense in the conference. What they haven't done well, and you're gonna walk us through this, is they have not got to the quarterback and they have not forced turnovers. They're last in the conference in fumbles recovered. I think at last check they were twelfth maybe in sacks. So the things that Utah typically does well on defense, they're

So one of the things that I mean, obviously I've had a lot of respect for Morgan's defense in the past.

What's for all?

Right, So let's go over now to the other side of things and talk about what Brigham Young has been able to do. And Jake Rahetzoff got the ball four times last year, lost all four starts, and he wins the job coming out of camp, and if we're honest, it didn't look great early. And if we're honest, there are still moments during every game where he makes some

So getting better and better and better at being a strong armed quarterback that just takes what the defense gives him. He's doing a good job pre and post snap of reading the defense. And what I love about him later in the season that I didn't like as much at the first of the season is he's not afraid to check it down to one of his running backs. He's not afraid to check it down to someone who is wide open instead of trying to force the ball downfield.

So I read a couple of stats about BYU's defense that kind of blew me away. They're plus eighteen in turnover margin, that's six in the country. They have fourteen picks, that's third in the country. Rightley, they've outscored opponents sixty nine to ten.

Off of turnovers.

Okay, so at some point, isn't there some regression to the meme?

I mean that seems to be.

And obviously that's the way Kyle Whittingham wants to coach football, right and that's the way Killanne and Jay cut their teeth under coach Wait. As I've been saying now for a while, it's almost like Kilani is taking Kyle's script and out utah utah. Right now, what stands out most about what they've done on that side of.

The ball, no question about it. Look, I've been around I've been around Jay Hill for a long time at Weaver State, and there's not a ton of people that are watching Weaver State football. I think that Jay Hill is one of the best defensive coordinators in the country at making halftime adjustments. I've never seen a guy that is more cool, calm and collected at knowing exactly what

All right, Riley, with a couple of minutes we have left, here's what we'll do. Let's start with dissecting and just kind of out, you know, laying out at BYU win.

What does it look like on Saturday?

It opened up as a five point spread, Vegas typically building three for the home field. So that's Vegas saying they believe BYU is about a touchdown a little more better than Utah. This spreads down to three and a half. It's a rivalry game. We'll get to the Utah side in a moment. But how does BYU roll in the salt A can beat Utah on Saturday night?

What does that look like?

So they make the University of Utah one dimensional, They take away the run, game, they make them pass the ball. It doesn't matter whether it's Rose or whether it's Wilson, either one of the those guys are particularly confident right

You know, I kind of agree with that.

As we get closer and closer, I've got a lot of yout friends that are downright nervous, some who are not even attending. But as we know throughout the course of I grew up in this rivalry.

I went to school at Utah.

I've been in the media now full time for eighteen years total, just over twenty so I've covered these things. I've been to them, and it's very rare that I approach this game with a finite statement about what's going to happen, because I have just seen chaos all the way around. You can fake you can fake a lot of things. You can't fake desperation. And if Utah doesn't come out and play with desperation, I agree with you, they could get cooked.

But on the other side, it feels like if Utah.

Is gonna win it, this is just mean that I'm gonna give you the space force set you lose.

It's like seventeen fourteen.

You know they are able to run it a little bit, control the clock, stay clean, don't turn it over. I don't have any confidence in this offense to score more than twenty one twenty four points. They haven't done it against a P four team this year. So on the other side, what does a Utah football upset win look like on Saturday Night?

So I think in some way or another they got to win special teams. There has to be some sort of either just filled position that they're winning quite a bit, or some sort of a fake, some sort of a big play from special teams, which that had been a hallmart of Kyle winning an teams. But it feels like in the last couple of years that hasn't been as a good as it has been in the past. It doesn't mean that it can't be, but it just it

Riley, you demand tell everybody where they can go find you up on your socials or whatever you want to get out there.

Yeah, just follow me at Riley Jensen. That's r I L E Y j E N SCN. Obviously, I have a mental performance coach in sports psychology. I help athlete from the age of eight to fifty two. I have a fifty two year old steer wrestler and an eight year old soccer player and everything in between, including PGA golfers and pro basketball players that the in set and

All right, brother, I appreciate the time during a fun week and stay safe and reach out if I can do anything for you.

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So the show is going on live right now. The first CFP rankings are going on live right now, and as they kind of unfold a little bit.

We'll bring them to you.

Typically, if I'm in studio, we can bring them to you live VR feed, but I'm not in studio. So of course the big question around here is now a couple of things to dig in. Okay, I was talking to Scott Mitchell about this earlier, little confusion. So these rankings are not the seedings for the twelve team bracket. Okay, that's not how this works. So if you see BYU come in tonight, my guess is going to be between

So they're your first five that have been released as of now.

Again, my guess is BYU is probably gonna roll in between seven and nine. You know, it'd be interesting to see there are still four unbeaten teams and in P four football five unbut beaten teams. Overall the aforementioned Army situation where they're unbeaten and they're now in the top twenty five.

This also will indicate.

The essentially the death of the A people after today, it doesn't matter, I mean, we'll still pull it up for frame of reference to see if we can draw any parallels. I anticipate Oregon, of course, will be the number one team in a country Georgia, Ohio State. Then it gets interesting. Miami's undefeated. Does the committee value what they've done with some close calls and maybe not the great best strength of schedule, They're probably gonna be a top five team, Texas will be a top five team.

And then it gets interesting. Penn State they got.

A loss, they got got obviously. Tennessee has a Bama win, but they got got too. Indiana is undefeated and they're technically in the AP ahead of BYU, but I wouldn't be surprised. BYU has a better strength of record than Indiana with a couple of top twenty five wins that I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU.

At eight in Indiana at nine.

Notre Dame has bounced back, but they have that NIU loss at home. NIU has lost four games since beat Notre Dame.

What do they do with the two loss Bama?

And it does bring in Boise State and even SMU into the equation a little bit. I think Texas A and M with our second loss had dropped out LSU in addition to that Iowa State. What happens with the rest of the Big twelve only time will tell. But again reminder, the rankings are not a direct reflection of the seeding. So the top five teams it is the top five conference champs to get the.

Top five seeds.

The top four get buys and then teams five through eight actually host the first round of the CFP.

So it's kind of interesting if your BYU.

This isn't going to happen because the only way it will happen is if Boise State somehow is ranked ahead of them. But would you want to be the fifth conference champ in the seedings and therefore host a playoff game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Some more rankings coming in. Kansas State is at nineteen, Pick comes in at eighteen. Iowa State, as we talked about there at seventeen. That's down from where I thought they would be a week ago.

What you would be otherwise.

Now there's no coming back from the fact that the season is not and will not manifest itself in the way that we all thought.

You.

Bottom line, have lost four straight games. You're not in the mix for a Big twelve championship. You're not in the mix for a CFP. As I continue to say all week long, the only thing worse than playing in a throwaway bowl game is not being eligible to play in one. And if Utah doesn't win on Saturday, I'm not sure they're going bawling. The line has moved a couple of times, but it has stayed somewhat steady, steadier

And I suppose that's the only thing you could.

Believe, because this is an offense that hasn't even scored twenty four points against the PF opponents. They've had two really good offensive games. One was Southern Utah, the other was Utah State. They had a good first half against Baylor because that's because Cameron Rising was under center, and since then it has been anemic. Both Scott and I are of the same mind mindset when it comes to

That's not a report. I have no clue, of course, where I'm going to learn.

At the same time, the rest of you do as it pertains to when we will learn who is under quarterback. I think it's simply going to be as soon as they run out on the field for their first offensive possession. We're gonna have Kyle Winningham on the show tomorrow. We had Claudie sa talking on the show today, and so we'll see if we can gleam any information at all how healthy Utah is coming into the game. There are some rumors potentially about the offensive line being a bit

Porter, Is that what I heard you say?

Correct?

Just comes back?

All right?

So there you go.

I thought they'd be seventh through nine, like I said. But let me reiterate before we start to lose our minds about BYU being disrespected in the whole inferiority.

And all that stuff.

This is simply not This is simply not a scenario where the ranking equates to the seating for the bracket of the twelve team CFP. BYU at number nine, as far as these rankings, still indicates they're in the driver's seat to win the Big twelve, and if they do, they're probably gonna be the number four seed with a buy in the first round of the CFP. All right, wrap it up for a Tuesday edition of the show live at Arup Blood Services ninety seven eighty six South, five hundred West and Sandy.

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Be crying crocodile tiers.

The rankings are not the seeding, so BYU comes in at number nine, but they're still slotted in the fourth seed to have a first round by and according to the first CFP bracket, BYU would play the winner of Ohio State and Boise States. Ohio State comes in at two, where they're not projected to be a conference champ, so

Is your number one team.

No surprise, they are slotted to play the winner of Tennessee and Indiana. Texas is slotted to host Alabama round one. The winner of that game plays Miami Notre Dame. Penn State slotted to play in round one. The winner of that game plays Georgia, who is the three seed as of today. So there you go, all right, Porter, Before we get out of here, we're back in studio I believe for a Wednesday show.

What should our listeners know about it?

On a Wednesday edition of the program, will positive college football for just a moment, and we'll chat with Pablo Mastroennie, we'll chat with Neil Smith. We'll take care of our other folks, our soccer and our hockey friends, and then we're right back to it. Spencer Lynn for our BYU side, and then the head ball coach Kyle Whittingham on a Wednesday show just a few days ahead of the rivalry game.

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