FULL TUE POD @SpenceChecketts on OKC's NBA Title, Jazz Offseason/Draft, BYU's Big Commit, Utes + more

for the ride. Spence Check, It's beyond to Mike Porto Larson behind the glass producing the show today, we are unexpectedly very very busy with some local stories, national stories as well. It is a historic day potentially for BYU football. We'll tell you why as the announcement came down earlier today on the Pat McAfee Show. Pat McAfee likes himself some BYU. BYU likes themselves some Pat McAfee several different

parallels and conclusions to draw between that relationship. But Rider Lions, one of the best quarterbacks in his class coming up for twenty twenty six, has chosen BYU to play his college football at He chose BYU over Oregon. Those were his final two schools, but he also was offered, well, pretty much offered by everybody when you're looking at a kid that is this highly thought of. BYU has not had a five star recruit since two thousand and three.

Their best recruiting class, according to the information I was reading earlier, was twenty ten when they were a top thirty class. And it's not just right. They've got a really good tight end from Saint George. They've got a good offensive tackle as well. My guess is they're going to finish probably in this top twenty, top twenty five. We'll have to see what this does. So we do have some local storylines to get to with the college

football recruiting stuff on the program today. Happy Tuesday to you. Hope you're having a great work week, and we'll get to all the fallout and take away from Ryder Lions, this young man from California who will serve an LDS mission, and then we'll be available potentially for twenty twenty seven. So we'll get into this, and we are efforting some

BYU guests to shed a little light on them. And you know, ultimately six years ago, old producer of the program, our old buddy Brady Brady Clark, who unfortunately was a COVID casualty. He's not dead. We just had to let him go, want to be very clear, just to be just to Brady's alive and well he's married with a child and he's moved on to do other things. But he sent out a tweet and tagged me in it that sounded like I said, he died like COVID casualty.

But now he's not dead, he's alive. That six years ago when we first started talking about NIL and the ability uh for these young people to make money while they play football or other sports and institutions could be a massive windfall for bringing young and as we fast

forward six years later, here we are now. One of the things that bothers me about our business these days is you've got a bunch of talking heads that throw darts at dart boards and only focus on the one thing they get right, and they ignore the forty things that they got completely wrong. So I'm not bragging, but ultimately it's become pretty clear that they're in a spot down there to capitalize on the current landscape of collegian and athletics to add to their football and basketball programs

and certainly other programs as well. So it is a big day for BYU football and it is a shot across the bow to the University of Utah. Another one. Quite frankly, Utah continues to piece together their twenty twenty six recruiting class. So we'll get into some of these storylines on the program today. We have another trade to talk about in the NBA. We have a couple of trades to talk about in the NBA. Actually, as CJ. McCollum is headed to Washington, I'm sure he's super excited

about that. Then we'll get into the Drew Holliday to the Portland Trailblazers, mainly as we're doing Sports Soccer radio in Salt Lake City. The Utah Jazz are not involved in any of these transactions. For all the conversation about you know, Brian Winhors going on Sports Center and saying that he's told the Jazz are going to try to expedite this process. So far, as we sit here on the eve of Draft Day, and we'll get to some draft today as well, the Jazz of stad pat NBA

Draft tomorrow sorrow. Excited for this. I'll be anchoring our coverage. Gordy Chiasa Richard Smith, two men that have been in hundreds of war rooms decision rooms on draftnight will help us kind of understand the landscape what we'll be dealing with tomorrow. Sham Schararni is reporting the San Antonio Spurs have settled on Dylan Harper after some potential maybe options to move off the pick or maybe take some other players.

Feels like the intrigue starts at four. That's my best guess because most of the reports are VJ edgecom is going to head to Philly at three, So we'll get into it on the program today, get you ready for the draft. We're also a couple of days away from the NHL Draft to hopped on a zoom call this morning four the Utah Mammoth. Bill Armstrong addressed the group, talked about their plans for four. The NHL Draft will come down coming up on Friday of this week, so

a lot to do. Aaron Rodgers whatever, He's announced that this is probably it. Fine, good riddance, So a little NFL offseason, a lot to do. On the program today, good guest lists. We'll start things off NBA Daily Assist style with Zach Harper. We'll get Zach's take on Durant to the Rockets, on CJ to Washington, on Drew Holliday to Portland, the NBA Draft tomorrow. Of course, Oklahoma City they are championship parade today featured Alex Caruso shirtless with

a couple of michelob ultras. Chet Holgren tried to address the group but clearly was wasted. Suret's optional for the Oklahoma City Thunder today and their parade, So we'll get with Zach. We'll do mostly jazz with Tim McMahon today, jazz offseason NBA Draft. Timmy will stop buy as well as he does every Tuesday, efforting potentially Blaine Fowler, maybe some other BYU guests for our three thirty slot that's open right now to talk about this day that could

be historic for Brigham Young. And then Bill Riley voiced the youth's good day. To have Bill on, We'll talk about, you know, kind of what this signals for what the University of Utah needs to kind of step up and do to keep up with their Brotherren forty miles south.

As the crow flies from our studio Dave Fox Live in Studio four thirty, I'll be on TV with Dave tonight ten thirty five, Cam Yu, We're gonna preview the NFL draft, excuse me, the NBA Draft, and I imagine we'll pop around and talk about a bunch of different things because it's an unexpected busy Tuesday afternoon. Zach Harper, Tim McMahon, Bill Riley, Dave Fox. Maybe some other guests were a little fluid on this Tuesday. All of you the great listeners, thank you for making us a part

of your day. Me Spence check Its And that guy Porter Larson not a COVID casualty, but wearing sunglasses indoors. Hello, Porter, how are you? Do I need to drop the Larry David Lyne on you again? Yes, there are two types of people to wear sunglasses indoors, blind people in a holes and people sensitive to light. Well, that would fall under the first category. It's far enough blind though, but sensitive to site.

So he will be part of the twenty twenty six class later this year, but he will serve a mission after graduation and will not formally join BYU until the spring of twenty twenty seven. That seems to indicate he's going to serve one of these fourteen month missions. I don't really know exactly how that works. That when I was growing up, it was two years period. Maybe that's changed for athletes. I honestly have no clue, But I'm not going to be one of these guys that tells

you I've been grinding tape on Rider. But I've learned a lot about him since the rumor started a surface that he could potentially land at BYU, so a bunch of visits It's this spring included stops at Michigan, Ohio State, Old Miss and then his finalists were BYU, Oregon, and USC,

and then his brother actually plays at USC. He elected to not take his visit to USC, went up to Eugene, spent some time at Oregon, then came down a provo and visited BYU, and then today announcing that he will play his college football for Klonie Satake and Brigham Young starting in twenty twenty seven. So BYU has a recruiting class that's shaping up to potentially be a top twenty

class from what I looked up earlier today. And of course there are different services that do this, whether it's ESPN or two four seven, This on three, this New on three website social media platform also is doing this. BYU's best class from what I saw was twenty ten and it was the thirtieth rand class in the country. This is shaping up to far surpass that maybe even be top twenty or higher. Ben Olsen was the highest ranked quarterback back in two thousand and two. That did

not work out well. And of course we should pause to say for people that are anointing this kid or you know, youte fans that are worried highly ranked recruits, even recruits as highly ranked as this typically you know, are a dime a dozen. It really comes down to how they develop, how they settle in. I mean, Riter's got a mission in front of him. There's a lot that has to happen between now and then for him

to be ready. Of course, there's always the narrative about, you know, when you take a mission for a year or two, fourteen months or twenty four, you enter the kind of prime of your life in college in a way that eighteen nineteen year old kids don't. And that's a debate that has been highly debated for a number of different years. But what is very very clear is the pedigree that this kid has is really, really special.

He was the twenty twenty four California Gatorade Football Player of the Year, and he can do a little bit of everything. He's a dual threat kid. He completed about sixty eight percent of his passes over thirty five your yards, thirty eight passing touchdowns, eight picks. First year as a starter in twenty twenty three. His sophomore stats were actually better than his junior stats the next year, over three thousand yards forty six touchdowns through the air. He also

can run the football. He's combined for over fifteen hundred rushing yards thirty seven rushing scores across two seasons as a starter. So look in a vacuum this appears to be a big time get for Kilanie front of the show. Maybe we'll try to get Kilanie and a Rod out to talk about this. Brock Harris is an in state tied end from Saint George, number thirty two recruit in

the country. They've got a defensive tackle who was an Oregon flip, and a couple of other kids in this class at this point that again indicate BYU could lock in the top twenty football class for their twenty twenty six recruits. Now this is a that's the vacuum net net from today. Okay, the Macro thirty thousand foot view net net is what we've been talking about on this show.

As I referenced as we kind of came into the show today, I don't want to ever be the radio host or sports media personality that takes victory laps for things that I got correct, because I get a lot of things wrong. And everyone in our business seems to just throw darts against the dart board and then they focus on the one that lands on the bulls eye and they just simply ignore the rest that don't even

hit the board. But this has become very very clear for quite some time now, and it wasn't hard to see what BYU would be able to do once they were allowed to unlock their sizable resources. The LDS Church and the culture of the LDS Church, it's members. They understand the power of the purse, and they understand the power of tremendous resources when it comes to being able to capitalize on opportunities that are put in front of them.

That's a dynamic of the religion, even though some people in the religion want to ignore it, because certain members of this culture don't like to acknowledge very uncomfortable truths. And when something like this happens, I just laugh when I hear these BYU goobs that call themselves media members to try to get in front of like, no, this is not about nil, this is not about money, This

is about the BYU experience. This is about develop shut up, Like take your victory, lap Okay, Like just acknowledge what it is and don't tell me I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. Okay. This is about It can be about a number of different things, and certain you know, folk that are involved in that culture don't necessarily have the ability to hold a couple of thoughts in their head at the same time. This is about a football program under Kolonie Satake that has really grown over the past

few years. With Jay Hill's defensive coordinator, our guy A Rod is the offensive coordinator. They go eleven to two and big twelve play last year and they have an excellent season and they have a great bowl win over Colorado in the Alamo Bowl. It was a really good year for Kilanie and that helps. Okay, It's also about the deep pocketed donors that provide the big nil checks that motivate these players to come play here, because that's part of the reality now. And there's nothing wrong with

saying that out loud. When you cry about it and you deny and you deflect, you look like the moron. Okay, I'll say what I've said. Take your victory, lab man. This is a big deal. This is like the aj

Debanza equivalent for the football program, something like it. And when reputable college basketball media members, namely Jeff Goodman, come out with the knowledge that you're paying AJ debatsa seven million dollars for five months of basketball, or the reports including Scott Drew himself given an interview that you know, Baylor basketball thought they had locked in their future point guard least for this year for a couple million bucks, and he renigs on the deal to take over three

and a half million dollars from BYU to play for them. Stop denying it, Stop lying about it. It's actually worse than denying. You are liars. You are lying. Okay, I have not seen an nil number for Rider, but guess what it will come out. And it's fine because that's the name of the game. The game has changed, and

it's been changed now for a couple of years. And the fact of the matter is the changing of the rules and the changing of the ecosystem is only positive for a place like BYU with tremendous resources and a tremendous amount of powerful donors and boosters and alumni that care about BYU athletics, that are clearly willing to open

up their pockets and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know why whenever announcements like this come down from BYU, when we hear a big time recruit has signed to play for them, the propaganda machine, the quote unquote media members that actually work for the school. I don't know if they get phone calls from the higher ups to be like, hey, we have to start lying about the money stuff. We have to deflect and pretend like we're

actually not competing with NIL. I don't know if they receive messaging that they're supposed to further from their platform, but it's so beyond pathetic and lame, and again it's worse than denying. You are to people because this ecosystem and landscape is benefiting you, lean into it, lean into it and actually be authentic and don't be liars. Okay, So when the NIL figure comes out, it simply will be on par I'm not saying more or less because I know people get in their feel goods about this.

It will simply be on par with what an Oregon could have paid or a USC could have paid. Because I can promise you if Oregon or USC doubled BYU's NIL number. Writer Lions would be in Eugene or southern California, not in provo. Let's be adults and grown ups about this. Okay, So last thing here, University of Utah had an innate advantage over Brigham Young University when it came to athletics

for a decade. And it's very simple, and we can be very reductive and say Utah had a P five invite and they had P five access as members of the PAC twelve, and BYU is independent, and throughout the course of that dynamic, Utah football specifically elevated themselves pass Bergham Young. There's the head to head, there's the overall record.

It was essentially a generation of Utah football dominance. Okay, and it was because of a few different things, but the main advantage is Utah football had a PAC twelve invite. BYU football was wandering in the wilderness, we'll speak your language a little bit, as an independent with nobility to play for a conference championship, no innate scheduling abilities. So we saw like UMass in town and all these horrible programs, or once BYU lost one game, their season was essentially over.

Right when BYU two tiered thing here, before we catch a break. When BYU received Big twelve access, you combine that with the changing landscape of collegiate athletics that allows powerful boosters to get involved with the power of the pocket and the power of the purse. Those two things have catapulted both BYU football and BYU basketball to a level that if you're a Utah fan, you should be worried, you should be concerned if you measure your programs employ

against BYU. Right now, the shoes on the other foot, and this is another shot across the bow. Rider Lyons committing to BYU today is another shot across the bow up here in Salt Lake to the University of Utah

to get their act together and get your things in order. So, if you're a youthe fan and you have the great fortune of owning a business that's done well, or if you have deep pockets or a few commas in your bank account, if you haven't contacted Mark Harlin and the Athletic Department to see how you can get involved with the Crimson Collective or whatever they're calling to these days, it's probably time to act if you want to keep up, because this is a situation where forty miles south of here.

They're building juggernauts on the football field and the basketball court, and we'll see if Utah football and Utah basketball and Utah Athletics and the institution overall can keep up. You know, I'm starting to change my opinion on this, So you know, I've told you in the past I have this weird thing. And Zach will appreciate this because you have some podcast

called Tennefolk. My friends have always been fascinated when I latching onto like clearly horrible movies, because it's really interesting to me to watch something that's so bad and wonder how was actually made. Yeah, of course, I'm starting to feel that way about pit Bull and the bit we do is act. It's so bad, like it's there's nothing good about it, but it's so bad. I'm starting to kind of be fascinated with it, if that makes sense.

they got for this. So then I start wondering what else happened in the shooting of this movie, And then for us, we do a little research and we get to joke about it, and then forever, you know, Amin al Hassan and I were just texting each other about bad movies we were watching, and then it probably took us way too long to figure out we should be doing a podcast about this, and thankfully, thankfully, people seem to like it all.

But you know, people process things differently. It may not have hit them yet, but yeah, there was part of me that thought, did they think that there's still more games to happen? Because it seemed a little odd, you know, it felt like I kept waiting for it. You know, like if you're if you're at a you're at a restaurant and you have a salad and they're like, would you like some black pepper on there? You know, would you like and you're like, yeah, just you know, keep going,

keep going. I was like, keep going with the celebration, Like, let's get some emotion here. Keep going with the emotion. I need you to. I need to just keep you know, grinding that emotion back onto this this salad of winning. But I didn't seem to didn't seem like that was happening enough. And so but it seems like they're in a good spot now. I mean at least for the next two years. I think they're in a good position

just financially. I mean, this is the thing that that stinks about the the collective bargain agreeing with the second apron and I hate that we you know, you have to bring this up now with everything that looks into the future of a team. But you know, they've got big extensions coming to chet Holmgren and Jada of this this off season, which won't kick in until the season after next season, so that's when it gets real expensive.

You know, they have a super Max deal going. It's gonna be like four years, three hundred million to shay that it will be this offseason that kicks in, you know, the same time. So they really have like a year maybe two years until they have to start making some tough decisions on guys like Hartenstein and lou Door and Alex Caruso and Aaron Wiggins and all these other dudes. Or maybe they have to make a decision on a chet Holmgun or someone like that. But the good news

for them is they have all those draft picks. Right The reason they have all those draft picks is to be able to attach it to contracts or you know, bring in you know, cheap labor in terms of you know, cost control with rookie deals, and develop those guys to kind of bring you know, bring in some help. But you know that you normally wouldn't be able to do when you're that maxed out, and that that good. So they do have a plan. I just I don't know how long this lasts, because it never lasts as long

as we think it's going to. And then in today's collective bargeting agreement, I don't know. I don't know what that's going to look like.

or second round as a remarkable accomplishment. But layered in the question has to be the Achilles injury to Tyre Saliburton. What it means for this group moving forward. So the net net of the entire Pacer situations act sounds.

to form. So are you not punting on but are you kind of like taking the next two seasons out in terms of being able to really maximize what this team could be? And at that point, you know, what does the makeup look like? You have the same players? Are you cycling guys in and out. I think it makes the construction of this really difficult. You know, Rick Carlisle said the things you're supposed to say about you know, priority number one is getting Miles Turner back, and I

think I think that's the right move. I think it's a good idea because you don't have a good replacement for him, But I don't know that he's the guy that you need long term. He didn't play great in the finals. He had moments, but he wasn't knocking down shots for a guy who's a shooter. He wasn't grabbing rebounds at all. He had times where he was defending the rim really well, but he also had times where you know, he was allowing layups left and right. So

you know, they do have some roster construction things. But overall, I think the important thing was their ie identity and their team culture. And I know team culture is always such an overused thing, but it really worked with them, right Like they built this. They decided two years ago, Hey, we've got this guy, We're gonna build everything around him. We're gonna play this certain way and make life miserable for everybody else. And it worked. It really really worked,

and I think it'll work again. You just got to get that guy back to full health.

According to Vegas, it's Oklahoma City and then a large gap, but the two teams that are the closest are Houston and Minnesota. Do you concur with that and would you put any other teams in the West that actually do exist in Oklahoma City's cul de sac?

It's sure that he doesn't he doesn't get towered on the situation, but I think he fits with what they want to do and what they need Defensively, They're going to have an identity whether he's on the floor or not. So if he misses some games, I don't think it's a big deal. They still need more scoring in the back court. I think they need a little bit more reliability with scoring and shooting in the back court. And I don't know if that happens by a trade. I

don't know if that happens by a development. I don't know if that happens by by signing a role player who can step in. But they they they're not complete here. They need that, but they're also going to have you know, Aman Thompson is becoming a monster on the court. I think that that postseason, as brief as it was, was very important for him. So I think they're in a great position Minnesota. It's going to be interesting to just

how do they pivot from what they were. They built that team to beat Denver, and they beat Denver and then OKC emerged as the new monster, and clearly that makeup doesn't exactly work. I also think that series was closer than the five games that it was. I think Game one was a lot more competitive than people think it was. And I think, you know, Game four was right there for the taking. And if they win Game four and it's two to two, we've seen, you know,

you can put pressure on OKAC. Denver did it, Indiana did it, And what does that look like for Minnesota. They need more help in the backcourt or at least on the perimeter for initiating offense for Anthony Edwards. I don't know how much flexibility they're going to have to make that happen, but I do think those are the two best teams outside of OKC in the West.

They trade Drew Holliday to Portland. Of course, the injury to Dame, so Milwaukee's compromised, and then obviously Halliburton's injury. I mean, you know those teams will stay competitive, but I suppose Zach and We'll lean into the odds again. Out East, it is Cleveland, New York, and then Orlando who acquires Desmond Bane With these players hurt and compromised, what do you think happens in the Eastern Conference next year?

far off. I think they need a couple of bench pieces. I don't think the issue was Tom Thibodau not playing the bench. I don't think he had much of a bench to play. Right, So I think it's kind of compounded on those two issues on top of each other. So I don't really believe in Cleveland after these last three postseasons. I think that they've got to prove that,

you know, they've got the mental makeup. I know they've got the talent, but I think they've got to prove they have the mental makeup before I start buying them as a team that will will break through. Even though they had sixty four wins and look great in the regular season. Orlando, obviously, as you mentioned, is super interesting.

I want to see what Detroit does. I think Detroit's got a great opportunity to make us splash this offseason, whether that's grabbing more help for Cad on the perimeter, whether it's grabbing another dynamic big man inside to either replace Dura or help Duran, or if that's a four who can stretch things out. If they can grab some more offense in there, I think Detroit could be another

one of those teams that really surprises everybody. If Orlando is healthy, and maybe if they grab one more shooter or one more point guard who can really distribute, I think there'll be a massive problem in the Eastern Conference and maybe they're that team that pulls an Indiana this year.

conference made some pretty bold statements. The Jazz have not been involved in any of these transactions yet. We'll finish with some draft But before we get there, are you hearing anything regarding the team that plays just a few miles from where we're broadcasting the Utah Jazz.

be in the headlines. I think it's gonna get a little bit more complicated because of this collective bargaining agreement and just the machinations that these deals have to go through. So nothing specific on the Jazz, but from the way it sounds behind the scenes, it would not shock me if they're involved in any or all of these trades.

he would just grab he would. He would add so much great scoring to them a year or two from now. And he's fun. He's a really fun guy. The next guy after that would probably be Jeremiah Fears. Like, I know, we've done the counter George thing, We've done that Isa Collier thing. I think he's legit. I think Fears is a guy that everyone seems to be raving about him. He's super young for even a draft prospect as a freshman, and he is a just absolute monster in the pick

and roll. Like, I think he is a guy that I wouldn't look at the shooting percentages. I would look at the film with him. I think he's going to really shine at the NBA level.

of this noise? What's the motivation for Ace's camp to roll this way? And what do you think it means for his status tomorrow night?

today's world, that's not how that really goes. And and then like, you know, baby, maybe is just trying to get away from you know, teams that are not so east coast except Philly's east coast right and Washington's east coast, And so I don't know, I don't I genuinely don't know what he's doing other than and not he like like you said, it's his agent, like disrupting the draft process. I'm for it in terms of adding a little chaos, because I do think the draft process can be a

little dumb. But if you don't have that, if you don't have that promise and you are willing to go through the potential embarrassment of falling on draft night, it's fine. You could use that to your motivation. You can use that down the road. But it is a risk, right, Like it is a risk, like I don't think Charlotte's gonna take him. I don't think Utah is gonna take him.

You know, I think Washington is super interested. I think Brooklyn would love to have him, and maybe that's the goals for him to fall down to one of those teams. But I don't fully understand what's going on with him in his camp.

on both ends of the floor. And I think that is you know, yeah, he's only six four and you like a little bit more hype, but his arms are long, he's crazy athletic. He's got a good shot, he's got good passing ability, he's got good defensive instincts. I think he's someone that we're going to see him like two months into his rookie year and wonder why didn't we see any of this at Baylor.

But there are a lot of rumors that maybe they're going to try to reset the clock based off the fact that they're miles away from anybody, not even close to being even kind of decent. Do you think there's any sense to maybe taking the Malawatch Kid at five and kicking the tires on Kessler, then resetting the clock to kind of go back to the beginning after a four year, very clunky, somewhat embarrassing attempted to rebuild.

development here and there. I think it's touch in his instincts for a guy who's only played basketball for a couple of years, are just incredible. His size, you obviously can't teach that. And you know, it's not that Walker Kessler isn't good. He's really good. He's going to be a very good, you know, center for a lot, starting

center for a long time in the NBA. But and I don't know if this is a proper comp but you know, it might be the difference between having an all star, perennial all star center in maliwatch if he can develop into that versus like having Yaka Purtle as your center for ten years. Which not a problem to have Yaka Purtle as your center for ten years. He's really good. You can win a lot of games with him.

But I do think the potential if you're looking to hit home runs and find that guy in the rebuilding process, I would almost rather risk it with Maluwatch. But I'm also again super high on him.

important skill to have as well. To me, the my issue with him is whenever I saw him play, he looked like someone who was like six one sixty two with the way he played and that and not like in a good like oh he's so shifty kind of way in like why isn't this guy playing like he's sixty sixty sixty seven? You know, I think for me that's that's my worry with him is that he is going to be physically overmatched at the NBA level, and I don't want to see, you know, I just I

wouldn't take him in the top five. To me, I think he's going to be a good pro. I just think there's a lot more potential with guys like Fears, guys like Trey Johnson, guys like Maley Watch like though. I would rather risk it with them rather than go with ka Nipple that high in the draft.

around too much. But they've got that kind of potential when you look at they've got one guy and they're in their regular rotation who you could say is deep into his prime. The rest of them are either just starting it or not even approaching it. This is going to be a force to be reckoned with for a long long time to come. Certainly the team that everybody in the NBA is going to be chasing for the next few years.

And you know, the Rockets I think are going to be I don't know, we can play with the semantics of contender, but man, the Rockets were a number two seed that, in my opinion, were a go to guy away from being a real threat, and they just were not traded for Kevin Durant without giving up anything that I would consider to be an essential part of their long term future.

in basketball? God, that's that because for him to have that kind of clutch run, to be getting it out in a game seven, to get off to that kind of a start in a game seven, and then to get hurt in that fashion, like, man, what a tragic ending, What a terrible way for that run to end. And

unfortunately he probably doesn't play next year. You know, it's probably now a gap year for the Pacers, and what a what a tough playoffs for Eastern Conference stars, you know, Damian Lillard, Jason Tatum, Tyree's Halbert all out most if not all. Next year, we're covering from Achilles, and you know, the East is wide open, and I know, like there's

there's guys. There are stars in the Western Conference and maybe aren't feeling like they're in a long term fit right now that are looking east and saying maybe we should be trying to get there because it's a lot easier out east than it is west.

guy who can create some offensively. I think he's going to be a really, really good fit and they you know, that was also a sign for Memphis that hey, they they're not close to contending in the Western Conference, and there's a step back type of trade to kind of reload, certainly get some some draft amo and you know, see what they can try to do around John Morant and Jaron Jackson Jr.

want to be there. And you know, like the Sons took the deal that they had to take if they're going to get a deal done for the draft. But the Rockets weren't going to boost that offers. They weren't going to give up a tarrees or certainly they don't even ask about him in Compton. They weren't willing to give up to Barison Junior reach Shepherd. They were only willing to do a pick, not multiple picks, and certainly

not multiple of the Son's old picks. And the Spurs weren't even ditagressive and neither were they heat So they took the office they had to take. But man, they're a long way from paying off the trade that they made to get KD. And by the way, the team that has the most facets left over from that it

was the freaking Houston Rockets, I mean the right. It's funny Tillman Fatita learn some tough lessons early on the Chris Paul Trey was a disaster, right, but he learned his lessons and they went through painful rebuild and they've been very, very patient since then. It's a poll offster approach what Matt Ishbey has done, and the Rockets are benefiting from their approach, and they're also benefiting from the Sun's approach.

so let's hone in on the local stuff. Are you hearing anything since you I last spoke about what this offseason could look like for the Utah Jazz?

that that that would surprise me. But again, you know, I don't think they're in a position where anything but patience makes sense for them.

good job. Cavoni's latest is Jeremiah Fears to the Jazz at five. Now, we had Zach Harper on earlier. He very much likes Jeremiah Fears. And this is probably not a fair thing to do, but whenever something works at a high level, the way this stuff goes down, like teams will try to copy what Sam Presty has done, and teams will try to replicate what the Boston Celtics have built. Obviously didn't work this year, but they won an NBA championship. They went to like five conference finals

and two championship series and one to one. And I can't help but look at the size and the lank and the athleticism of the teams that are top shelf from pro basketball. Right now, Jeremy Fears is six to two. Keyante's like six three Isaiah six to two, Like, I just don't know if building a roster full of guards that are small is a formula for winning basketball in

the modern day and age of the NBA. When you look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, the team that just won the NBA Championship, and again I want to acknowledge how unfair this is because Oklahoma City is historic and we probably should have been more adamant about understanding that early on. And even Indiana fits the bill like this a little bit. Boston fully healthy, certainly does. And then there are unicorns like a Steph Curry who's six three,

but he's just Steph. It's just different because he's so elite what he does. But you look at Alex Crusoe sixty five, Lou Dort six', Five shay is six to. Six, Obviously hart And shine And shad are seven. Footers you keep going down the. List Cason wallace is sixty, three plays like he's sixty, Six Aaron wiggins is sixty, Five Jalen williams is sixty, Six Kenrick williams of six,', eight like you just simply have to, have big lengthy wings

that can guard multiple positions and also not be. Liabilities offensively you know the era of like a one sided player Like A bruce bowen For. The spurs back in, the day there was mostly a Defensive star wars who

can knock down some. Corner three, he's like. That's done and so if you're marching out against a team who's average height in their starting lineup is like six five sixty six and you have two players that are under six three and your first guard off the bench is six, to two unless all three of those players are, ultra special just think you're up. Against it so we'll see What the as do. Tomorrow night there are a bunch of different mocks that indicate different directions. Are Possible kN

ker nipple is a name that has risen up. Draft boards cavoni has him at four To The. Charlotte hornets it feels like the intrigue does start. At four the first, three picks according to most people, you know feel like they're kind of. Dialed in, Of course dallas will Land on Cooper Flag sham scharane reported Today That san antonio

has just decided that they're Going With. Dylan harper and actually he Mentioned The oklahoma city Model Because san antonio of course has the Raigning and rookie Of the Year In, stefan castle and then Of course Victor woman yama is the cornerstone everything. They do they also traded For. DARN fox i Don't Think chris paul is gonna be on. The, roster so, you know the redundancy term IN the nba might be something that we need to do, away with because is there Redundancy between Shay?

Skill sets you just want as, many, big long rangy athletic players that you can possibly get that of course has complete skill sets that can develop in. Your system So san Antonio Adds dylan harper to a roster that is already young and exciting and talented and will be good for a long. Long time so it feels like that's kind of. The deal and then all the intel as a result of the weird situation With, as bailey who just won't work out, for anybody whether or not

he has. A promise i think that's something we're just gonna have to wait to. Find out tomorrow night Is that philly has LANDED on vj edgecome, Of three so it feels like, tomorrow night and, again reminder we Will Have draft knight coverage for you both round one and. Round Two the jazz have two second. Round, picks now If the jazz trade both second round picks, tomorrow night

maybe we'll recalibrate about our night. To coverage but, tomorrow, Night Myself, Gordy Chaser, Richard smith i'll be anchoring our coverage and then for, Round two gordy's gonna take the. Night off it'll just be Me, and smitty so we'll

kind of see how this. Goes down so, a reminder after we see a good night tomorrow at six they tuned for our live coverage IN The, Nba draft but after three is where it's getting where it gets, Interesting, now Charlotte As zach harper, said earlier doesn't feel like they've gone all in on the same sort of Rebuild that Utah and. Washington have basically those two teams who are very front facing and obvious about their motivations a year ago to lose games on purpose for the name of.

Draft capital it's a, painful. Process man it is a painful process because whether You, are utah whether You, are washington whether You're the pelicans who kind of shut, it Down The, brooklyn nets like all of those teams were very obvious about their motivation to be unseerious, about competing only to Watch The, dallas mavericks The Sant, antilio spurs And the philadelphia Seventy six ers get the top. Three,

picks dallas, of course Already Has, Anthony Davis. Kyrie irving they Wrapped Up daniel gafford with a. Contract extension they've got really. Talented pieces it's not a, bad roster even though they moved Off of dncic as we've, talked about but they already have legitimately one of the top five players in the league when he's right and when. He's healthy THAT'S who I think ad. Is now you could talk about he's up, in age his. Health issues all.

That's fair the, point is with the way this stuff is hopefully supposed to play out for the teams that, are struggling Like The, utah jazz it's just hard To stomach Dallas With anthony Davis And kyrie irving grabbing. Number One san antonio with the two straight winners Of the rookie Of The, Year award Victor wemen Yam And, stefan castle they Just grab harper. At two and Then ultimately

philly Still Has joel Embiid And paul george on. Their, roster now tremendous amount of Questions About joel, embiat's health tremendous amount of Questions About paul george's interest in playing, basketball anymore but, those two when healthy, and right are still very elite in the top upper half of superstar players in. Pro basketball there are plenty of smart basketball people That Believe joel embiid is as unique as anyone we've ever seen IN. The nba the problem is he just,

breaks down but they still have them on. THE roster i didn't Even Mention. Tyrese maxa you JUST. Add vj edgecomb to. That group so then the intrigue Starts in charlotte. At four According, to Cavoni conk nipple would be the. Play there so if con canimple is the play, at Four the jazz will have their Pick Of, Jeremiah Fears, ace Bailey And. Trey johnson and if you want to Throw the mallawatch Kid from duke, in there somebody likes

him an. Awful lot that's certainly a name you can, look at but that's not a horrible group of prospects to have your. Pick of if You're, The jazz cavoni has Them Taking. Jeremiah fears i've already outlined my concern. With that if those players, ARE available I think i'll probably just side With What zach harper just said, earlier Today And tony, Jones Echoed trey johnson feels like he needs to be the pick because If the Jazz Go

jeremiah fears at, Five again i'll go lean back on the. Term, redundancy no it's not a super excellent parallel the that's probably a little bit of a. False EQUIVALENCY if I Say jeremiah fears is the Same as Kante or isaiah, but again it's another smallish guard that you'll have on your roster under contract for at least three or, four years depending on how the rookie contract. Plays Out the jazz need length and they need athletes. They Need the

jazz have been historically pathetic defensively for two. Straight years that another smallish guard who doesn't feel like he has the length and the athleticism to exist IN the nba just feels like the. Wrong MOVE and i cannot coroborate or speak to what is going On With. Ace bailey, and no he didn't measure at six' ten like we. Thought he would he ended up about six or. EIGHT without shoes i hate the. Without shoes thing it's the dumbest. Thing we do you wear shoes when, you play basketball.

MEASURE in shoes i don't care how tall. You are barefoot we're not playing Pickup ball in africa like. We

wear shoes it's. The DUMBEST thing so i wouldn't Mind if the jazz Landed on as bailey at five based off the intel all year long that had him as one of the, top three, prospects because no he's, not six ten but at least he's six's eight, with long arms a seven, to two wingspan seven to, one wing span and he was the number three prospect pretty much all year long before this chaos kind of fell on

him as a result of him not working. Out For teams trey johnson about, six' five okay one to, ninety six' ten, wingspan standing reach, eight five and to me he at least has the, upside of being. A great great offensive, player it can. Really, shoot it can initiate yes. All these players are young we don't know. What they're going, to be and that's why whether IT'S college football, recruits or nba draft picks you have to proceed with a

tremendous amount of caution. Before you anoint or dismiss it's simply. Going to take, some time gavoni's latest mock there's not a ton of local interest. In the draft this Year The One. Name is yegor yegor demon at One point he was just i'm as. High as ten or Eleven his latest mock Has jegar going thirteen To Atlanta, to play for quinn snyder which would, still be a lottery

pick but. LATE lottery pick at That i do wonder and i've heard, some people talk about this and certainly some people write About This the whole like ryan smith IS A. Massive donor to byu basketball he's one of THE Alums that CARES About Byu. Basketball and byu electic department so he clearly is, part of not the ENTIRETY but part of bankrolling byu basketball to give them the funds they need to bring In Talent. To play for kevin young he is. DONATING a lot of money. I

don't know how much i don't. Have access to that information but one of the things that people have talked about is is there anything About that that? Can benefit ryan's pro team and while, my initial reaction IS no the only angle i could come up with Is the. Challenge, that The jazz have well the jazz have a. Lot of challenges right now they're one of the two or THREE. Worst rosters in the nba it's, going to be another really.

Really rough year next year but when you kind of pan back from the from the vacuum mindset and talk about it for more of a, macro thirty thousand foot view if you go all The way Back to after john and, carl either retired or left the challenge that this team has. Had is in, this city isn't drafting. Well it isn't developing well it's retaining the, players you've drafted AND developed because in the nba. It's a three tier system, you have to draft, well you have to

develop and. Then you have to retain the retention piece is the one piece of this puzzle this team has not. Been able to figure out so? Is there, anything There Where for instance like jegor demon spoke Glowingly, ABOUT his time in PROVO i think he met i, don't know if they're engaged but he's dating A. Girl he met at byu will that change when he sees other big? CITIES and experiences. Other places i don't know but is there anything that we could draw from a great Experience

from a. Player that ryan helps hire that's. The way to PUT, it To play for, byu that ryan HELPS, buy to pay for byu and they HAVE a good experience at, byu and in our state and then therefore would be more likely To stay here, if the, jazz draft them developed them, and then able to retain which is the one piece of the puzzle. This organization can't figure out it still would be A Reach to take.

Jeg or deman at five but. Here's a Question to, Ponder if you're jazz fans if You Have a guarantee that yegor demon will Play His Entire career In Salt lake city and trey johnson will leave, in six or seven years who would you rather have Six Or seven years of trey johnson are Twelve Or. Fourteen, years, OF yegor demon now again i, Want to be very Clear i'm not Saying The jazz are, draft DIEGOR demin at five but byu bought and essentially paid for Five Months

of basketball for aj debonsa to the. Tune of seven million dollars ryan was one of the people that wrote a check. To HELP make that happen, and i am telling you if you have, no watched this kid play he is everything he's cracked. UP to be and more i don't think he would have been the number One Pick, this year over cooper flag but he will be talked about during the draft Process Next year the way cooper flag.

Is being Talked, about now so if aj who appears to really being enjoying his Time, on the ground in provo if there's an opportunity to grab a kid like that who has experienced our. State and actually likes. It Maybe there's something there maybe i'm reaching because of course it's Not as easy as the jazz have to get the NUMBER One, Pick to draft aj demonson but Maybe THERE'S something there where ryan's i don't think. It's a conflict of interest i've heard a lot of people talk about.

That and write about. It That's not. My thing it's ryan's money he can do. Whatever he wants WITH. It he graduated from BYU. He very much loves Byu. He also wants the jazz but in the spirit of trying to figure out if, there's actually any synergies here maybe that's the angle. That we could reach for it actually. Makes, Something, Out, of It. Okay aj Debonca Jegor demon they KNOW ryan. Smith as the byu BOOSTER he. Sits courtside a byu games he jumps on the backs. Of coaches after they,

win it's a little weird but. That's kind of his. Deal so They. Know, him they like utah Okay, they're drafted by the jazz and they actually stay here for longer than a Few years because until the jazz can get that third piece, of the puzzle dialed in and some, Of These, Decisions Were, Trades Darren, Williams Gordon, Hayward Donovan.

MITCHELL rudy gobert carlos. Boozer i could keep going the best players That we've had here since john carl retired have stayed here for, a truncated amount of time and then they've either been traded because they, got sideways with a coach or they've, left On Their, own accord like gordon hayward or they just decided they wanted to live in a different city and forced their way out and Basically ended, a Generation Of jazz. Basketball like donovan mitchell

did jazz have, been able to draft well they've. Been able to develop well the final piece of the puzzle is how do they retain long term to Maybe finally do something special because the fact of the matter is we have not had A Championship Contending team in salt lake. City, since nineteen ninety seven, okay that's twenty eight years and that's. Just the, reality of it we have, we've had. Some

good teams another one we're kicking the tires. On potentially, winning a championship all right will catch you break coming. Up on the other SIDE big, news out of byu today big news out of. The landscape of College Football, they've locked in ryder lions who's one of the top

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best or, at least explain excuse me Least. Expected places HERE in utah Be on Tv Tonight with dave with DAVE. Fox ten thirty FIVE kmyu. HE was some nba drafts i would imagine we'll react to the news that byus dialed in the highest recruit saw on the football side Of Things they've had since ben olsen. In two Thousand and two right our lions Is. On his way to provo but among THESE staff Members Over at kutv, is heidi.

Hatch Lovely lady good friend and i'm seeing a. TWEET she's sending out porter i. Want your take on this this. Is catching me off guard most dangerous college Towns, In, Twenty, Twenty, Five, Gainesville, Florida Tuscaloose, Alabama. Tempe arizona New, haven connecticut Shout Out Yale It's The, New, York What, Iowa, City, Iowa, East, Lansing, michigan Bloomington Indiana, Logan. Utah And cedar city utah cedar city, is not a. Real place by the, way that's an

Odd spot but you have is it? REALLY that dangerous down. THERE i, don't think so i mean you feel. Like this list is valid so.

football at the at byu So he Turned. Down the university of OREGON he was looking at, usc where his brother plays and He elected to Play for kilane and a, rod friends, of the show of course. And bring him on, University according to and look i'm Not going to Pretend That i've. Been, Grinding ryder lions tape okay i'm just reading about him over the past couple of weeks after the rumors surface he MIGHT. Come and play for, byu

he's very highly. Regarded barely highly thought of he. Will not be available IMMEDIATELY he will serve an lds mission then be on. Campus in twenty twenty SEVEN we're gonna have some byu guests round the course of the. Week to talk about this this feels LIKE the football. EQUIVALENT of aj debantsa no aj might be more in a class of his own because he is the number one

recruit as far. As, his peers this, year so first of all your thoughts on by you've been, able to get this done and then your thoughts on what this does as far as a shot maybe Across the Bow.

so that's. Gonna wait a little. While but THAT'S it's, huge and like i said the bigger story here, today is, not that they you know got a. Top one hundred committed quarterback it's the fact that it adds on to, what is now a trend which is always what. You look at in recruiting they now have three top one, hundred recruits this signing class including Two. From the state of utah one of, them is a pass catcher one, of THEM throws the ball and i think one of

them is. Going to protect your quarterback so, they're stockpiling in important, positions and as you mentioned they are doing it with what appears to be a really good. Backing, on the nil side now a Little different, than the aj debous situation just because this is a kid who HE grew. Up with some BYU, connections he is a lds so there was at least. A foot in the door the demands of stuff for. Me is even more wild it just kind of came. More out, of left

field but YEAH big big Deal. For byu, AND for utah you know i don't ever take recruiting, is like a direct shot but when you're going head to head and when you measure yourself, up against your direct rival and especially when you're doing, it in The same, conference now the big twelve you're definitely paying attention to what they're doing and hopefully adding.

Of the top twenty, Five so according to this, TENNESSEE would be twenty six, Byu would be, Twenty Seven auburn twenty, Eight Boston college twenty nine florida state. Thirty for twenty, twenty six and you know you add this current recruiting cycle as porter Of Reference. Tight end, from saint george ironically enough, highly thought of defensive tackle an old ligneman that are all. In the top one, HUNDRED when the dust settles byu might have a top twenty recruiting class for.

The twenty twenty six cycle that certainly would be, their highest recruiting class ever not JUST under kilane. From what i read, Today if this is accurate BYU's best recruiting class was twenty ten and it. WAS a top thirty class i think. They finished at number thirty so, if they, can creep up you, know into the top twenty it

would be historic on. A number of different levels but it just KIND of underscores this current i think we have enough data now to call it a trend, Where for about a decade utah had A clear innate advantage over. Byu in one main area i've always said two things if. You listen to, The, show first, of all hello? Thank you how, Are you second of all. I've always sa, two things, two two incidents two Circumstances two situations catapulled

the utah football into this era OF. Dominance over their rival byu it was a. Generation of youth football dominance and. There are, two Reasons why number one as kyle said no to his Alma. Mater and Yes to utah IF coach wit took The byu job, BACK after urban took off i don't know what this. Era would have Looked like that's How Important, Kyle Is, to utah football utah. Athletics the community Up here. That's who Coach wit. Is

he is utah's levelle. There will be a, statue he doesn't love it but there will be a statue bill.

As soon as. He's Done, That's number one NUMBER two utah gets THE pac twelve invite and byu IS left out looking at, byu makes, a reactionary move and yes it was no matter what sort of spin you want to put because you don't, LOVE uncomfortable truths down there byu makes the, reactionary move to go independent, which was a big risk but it was probably the only course of action as Opposed To staying in the mountain west

conference going, to find your own. Way which will, tough Ask Which is why as tom, homer walks out THE door, if you're a byu fan you owe that man, a,

debt of gratitude. Forever period end of story but, because of Those two dynamics because Of kyle saying yes TO, utah And know to Byu and utah, receiving THE pac twelve invite and byu in, A reactionary move going independent utah was able to build up a clear advantage over the course of a. Generation fifteen years or so what's happened, over the past three years maybe, even a little, bit longer about four years is the shoes, now on the other foot where there's No longer any CLEAR. Advantage utah

has over Byu both. Are in the Big Twelve, You Can thank larry scott george kliovkoff a number of different mitigating factors all kind of combined to collapse the Home. For FOOTBALL in, the west the pac twelve, which continues to be WILD will never be something i can say out loud without having some sort, of VISCERAL like body reaction like i still can't believe, how it all went. Down But it went, down the pac Twelve died AND now Both utah and, Byu are big twelve. Teams big

twelve athletic departments utah a full. SHARE, member from day, one byu for whatever reason still, not a full share member but they're. Still in the same conference there's no longer an innate advantage for one or the other based off of the home of where they. Find Themselves for, their, athletics it's big twelve, PERIOD so even playing FIELD i

think next year byu, becomes a full share. MEMBER maybe the year after, i, think it's next year though so they'll both be able to have the same share of, the spoils from the conference which, is in A, good

place Not The. Sec not the, big ten we know that and maybe at some point that, will become a different reality, because this is a, sport namely in college, football but also a, landscape namely in college athletics that continues to shift under our feet, and will, Continue to change and honestly i've come to an area of radical acceptance for those of you that love therapy that the only consistent with all this stuff will be, changed and will be chaos and we'll be, lawsuits and will be

appeals and we'll all clutch our pearls over certain, things during The off season and Then august comes and then saturday's in the, fall, come, and it's like oh yeah this is why we do the thing because this is so fun and it's so enjoyable. In so many different, ways but the other thing, clearly THAT fell into place as i talked about, when it actually went down that has really shifted, this entire area of momentum Clearly In the direction of brigham young, at least as of now,

at least. As of today is nil is the ability to write checks for young men and young women that you want to. Come PLAY sports free institution and i do view this whenever there's news That comes Down like an aja, DE bonsa or a writer i do View this as something that utah has, to look at and say how do? We get some of? That what do we do and it's. MUCH easier said than done i

can pontificate on. Possibilities on this RADIO show, As much as i want i'm Not an Administrator, at The University, Of utah Not Mark, carlin i'm not taylor randall both of, whom are very, Capable leaders and you know i'm sure they'll be. Able to traverse this space but how do you answer it if you. Don't HAVE the same resources and, I let me be clear i don't know if they do. Or if they do not we're JUST Talking. About it,

the lds. Church it's members the community they understand, the power of the purse, and when granted with opportunities they clearly have. Been prepared, for this moment and no your tithing dollars are not. GOING to pay these players i know we have to be very clear about certain things that. JUST get people so weird i understand that. THE church isn't doing this i, understand this isn't tithing money but what it is IS checks written by powerful byu alumni

and boosters. THAT care about the program, i CONTINUE to reference this and i also want To be Very clear because i'm SURE i'll be aggregated AS i am. Every time i say this this information came to me about, A year ago or SO a little less that byu had ELEVEN seven figure. DONORS while utah had three i don't know what the, up TO date number is and i don't have any. DOCUMENTS to back that Up i don't have any Grandma Requests or whatever the chris camaradi's

or on. Faulks of the world do this was just told TO me by somebody who i will. Tell you would absolutely know, So IF that's the reality if byu right now is operating with the different sort of, power of the Purse, Resources economic ability than utah utah has to find a way to even that playing field. Because the pendulum has shifted it just. Has for a long time it was In The direction of the UNIVERSITY utah because of their p FIVE at the time now p

Four advantage of, being A pack twelve. School while byu was independent it clearly caused a chasm between the two athletic departments and, clearly The two football teams where, utah was the dominant side, not just head to head, But From a macro viewpoint rose BOWLS packed twelve championships and Byu Was in like The Potato bowl or. The hawaii bowl or whatever it was playing for nothing against teams, that more often, than not weren't very good and it

was hard to. Measure where they were at it WAS hard to measure where byu was at because the schedule was really really bad for the, most part UMass and such and they just weren't tested week in and week out against some of the class teams in college football because they did. Not Have a conference home so tom

and his daft did his best to. Get the scheduling dialed in they GET a good deal with espn so they can at least have a television platform and, the support of that network and that COMPANY was big to help byu tread water until, they found a conference home which Was. Always the goal of tom he was. Very front facing about, it, he was never like, yeah this independent thing rules we. Want to do this Forever There.

Is ONLY one notre dame and i always laughed at the hubris OF certain members of the byu community who believed that they. Could, exist on. That level, well you. Couldn't you tried you didn't you were never, going to be able to. And no one, else could By The.

week out now against some of the. Best, teams in the Country No it's not THE, big ten or the sec but. It is what it is it's a good home for now. Until the next shift comes now that the playing field was even when the two schools were invited into THE same conference after the pac twelve falls right.

In front of our eyes utah jump ship and they are probably a little bit fortunate to get the landing spot, they were able To receive which is WHY Mark's comments after, the byu utah football game we're like fingernails on a. Chalkboard for so many people so. Not even, the playing field but NOW what has really given byu this advantage is the ability to pay these kids and do not listen to. THE spin that's. Coming out i love it. It, makes me so happy yes paying these players is part

of the reason that they HAVE. Decided to play For byu i'm sure Aj debonsa wouldn't. Live in Provo For nothing i'm sure ryder lions is receiving. A very nice nil CHECK it's. Not about the byu experience. It's not about developing character it's about, a number of different, things, one OF which is now why byu has this massive Advantage, in the moment over, utah which is deep pockets in.

The power of the purse and Really the onus. Is, on utah to answer now we don't know what it's, gonna look like this year and We don't know what rider lines is gonna look. LIKE in, twenty twenty seven i mean How many big time recruits like big time. Recruits have never panned out. It happens all the. Time, these Are young people okay so, i'm not anointing anybody today but if, we're honest about the situation, over the past few years the MOMENTUM, has shifted down to Byu

and now. It's on utah to answer we'll see what they do and we'll see. What the results bear out the great thing about sports. Is we have a scoreboard. We have a final score we actually have a way. To tally winners and losers it is. The ultimate zero some game but we'll see what THE results bear out for byu because the momentum certainly. Is heading in that direction so if you think, THE track is a banger i will encourage you to go to YouTube and look

Up The. Music video FOR jericho road this is I? Believe?

from a LOT. Of people that cover byu but it really does bring IN a larger topic that i was excited To have you on the rundown today because you'd be good, with this, as YOU know you know The pap twelve ADVANTAGE that utah had over byu when they were independent really allowed coach with to build a program that was dominant over its rival. For a, generation playing fields even now isn't it? Feels a little bit different do you think this is a sign of the times

or what's your reaction to The news? Coming, OUT of provo today well i mean.

you have the aau circuit where. You're playing against like competition if you were asking me who's more Likely to be the hit ajdbansa or the kid that they, GOT the commitment from today I, would probably lean to bansa JUST simply because basketball projections i think. Are, EASIER than football projections plus i think this young man is going to be going out on a mission for a couple

of years. And coming back to play. So we'll see what happens, But, BACK to the question yeah i think getting out of the realm.

necessarily highly regarded coming out OF high. School INTO oftentimes nfl players but i wonder how you would articulate or simply add some color and context Of the conversation about whether utah is in the place that they need to be in with the collective and the nils and the supports in the community that it appears By US very much in.

BYU and, yes to utah i MEAN those TWO seminal moments i think uh really were the origin of what was the birth of probably The most successful generation of utah football and probably well not probably the most successful linear Dynamic when it comes to UTAH simply being better than byu more often than, not at, Football. WHEN good good good.

the kyle whittingham era of developing players AND. Putting him in the nfl if, You want to stack numbers utah's numbers over the last twenty years of guys that have been drafted and are playing OR have played in THE. Nfl DWARF those of byu now byu this past year

has won the press conference with a basketball recruit. And today a football recruit but let's see what happens, moving forward with those guys especially since we're in the football realm on, The football side, of things because to me it's great to win the, day and get that announcement and the KID goes on a national tv show. And

puts a cap on but what happens once. He, gets Into the program now maybe kilani's guys down there are developing guys, better than they did before but The overall numbers still say utah, has been the better program not in the, last five or ten years but over the last, twenty years, of finding kids developing kids and THEN. Putting him in the nfl and if you want, to look,

At early projections this year utahs projected to have. Two first raft offensive Linemen They weren't huge down spencer fino was pretty highly touted, coming out Of, high school but tayleab blome who was just a good middle of. The Road three star recruit tao Johnson another kid out of idaho that was. Another one of those kids but he's being projected as a, nice draft pick as well maybe not first. Round but Probably second day so.

taken and. I certainly AGREE with that the question, i, was going to ask though is do you get a feel up there at all talking to people That days like this are announcements like this do indicate maybe there's a little bit of a change of momentum and they take it as a shot. Across the bow at all does it? RESONATE up there at, all I.

you know we visited with. You not too long Ago but here's here's, how I'LL ask a, question because i you, know whether it's text Messages obviously a lot of, UTAH fans in my ecosystem yu fans. In the family as well what would you say as the voice of the utes as somebody who now works full time up there two ute fans that do feel like, there is a genuine concern this undercurrent of genuine concern that maybe the. Momentum, is shifting.

ago i think utah's program. Still IN a good PLACE what i think is byus ascended a little bit up From where. They WERE pre big twelve so i think what you're seeing is a little bit OF an. Ascension OF the byu program But i don't feel. LIKE utah's program has dipped i feel like they had a bad run of injuries at, quarterback the last two seasons but even a Season two Seasons ago with bryce and barnes, at quarterback who, was okay he wasn't great but they still.

MANAGED to win eight games i think that was a, testament to coaching the defense. A lot of Other things so for the utah. Fans it, MIGHT be concerned oh man I don't feel like the utah program, has dipped in. ANY way shape or form i do feel like the rival has made some improvements and built upon being in, A Powerful conference though.

which oftentimes. Is an exercise and futility do you feel like you have a, good handle as of Now Whether it's reading the phil steele stuff or reading the preseason expectations or conversations you have with your peers around the, conference about just generally speaking how this, is going to play out whether or not it will be a little bit of a cannibalistic conference, where a bunch, of good maybe no great teams. Beat up on each other do you feel like you have A good handle on what

big twelve football is going. TO look like next year.

one elite team or two. ELITE teams in This League, I think the Arizona, STATES i think The, utah's I Think, the Byus, The Iowa states the baylors texas tech may be the, Most interesting team for me spence because they.

think kansas. STATE'S going To be good i think kansas could be A Wild card because the jalen daniels kid has been in, and out of the lineup, but if he. Stays HEALTHY he's pretty.

Energy in the locker room but, here's my question for you as you're. Making your way around town when you throw, the card the cardboard down, you do, your head spin your breakdance and you're doing the bill thing. Whatever it is you do what's what are some of the main questions you get from the community. About curiosity concerning the team what are some of the topics and feedback You Get from people around salt lake and the Surrounding area. That, care about utah.

an Interesting Battle this Fall Between. Isaac wilson, And bird fickland you know. Isaac's Got experience in games bird fickland's probably a body type prototype of what you know fits. The offense very very well but he's. An eighteen year old freshman he's never played a. Down OF real.

two guys that. They think could be it but they didn't mean, Practice WITH the team yet so i think.

throw it who are? Going to be those guys and that question, just HASN'T been answered yet and i don't think it's going to be answered for a. Couple of weeks of camp on the, defensive side of the football everybody, wants to know about upfront who's.

to I, can't remember who were oh WE. Were, discussing this with jb long who's, still doing some college football Our buddy from the old PAC twelve. Network who calls rams games there's always, this THING that people say, and i say it, TOO where regardless, of house, ncaa. Nil transfer portal lawsuits appeals saturday's in The fall still feel, like saturday's in the fall But They. Probably don't to oregon State They, probably don't to washington state and they

feel a little. Bit different for youth fans if for a decade PLUS we're used to the pac Twelve Brands the, HOME of west, coast football i mean here and the ability to Take A week trip to los angeles or wherever to enjoy some Of these markets that the Pac twelve had that. The big twelve just doesn't but Now That we, have some big twelve experience how do you think things like travel and experience in different markets have landed with a community that simply was used to something.

DIFFERENT for over a decade.

Were Easy To Get. To from salt lake city they Were A, single flight To, los angeles or To Seattle or to The. Bay area or to. Phoenix, you could get There really some of these big twelve trips. Are a little bit harder it's a it's a flight and then. A RENTAL car hop Someplace but i think once utah kind of goes through, it a couple of times a couple of kind, of rounds around the block and fans begin to make, some trips like this year Maybe, some people, DECIDE to hey You know i want To, I've Never,

been to morgantown west virginia. And that's a great say it's not a place, that's easy to Get to but. It's a rabbit fan base that would. Be a Pretty, interesting trip by, to pittsburgh you drive down or maybe you decide you, want to, go to uh you know you Want. To go down to kansas so even if It is the day after thanksgiving and see the New

Stadium and fly into kansas city and. DO some of that stuff i just think it's going to take A couple of years for utah fans to kind of recalibrate where they were because they got spoiled with, easy trips to name places, and to be very Fair, we're west to THE rockies AND places Like ucla And usc and washington And oregon were places where utah would venture every couple,

of years or every decade. BUT they were familiar places i don't Get a sense that the midwest schools Are nearly as familiar to utah fans because it's just kind of a different. Geographic PART of the country so i get the same thing from a lot, of, people, THAT are like ah, MAN i miss going, Here I miss going there and i get it because there's also Good Memories associated with The rose bowl and the. COLISEUM and some fun games i think it's just kind of recalibrating

and learning. Some OF these new opponents but i think it'll take a couple of, Years TO get there probably, and i.

you that, looks, back and you're like well how the? Hell, did that go.

Represented THE western united states when i Was, growing up in the midwest You'd, look, west On a november Cold windy November day in kansas or nebraska and you'd see The sun shining in southern, california glistening off the helmets.

to go Play. In minneapolis in late october there's. No real grab to that but When, you went to play stanford Or, you went to play Washington Or You, came to salt lake city there was a. Little BIT more to it so, i think everybody feels it but even the schools that landed in good places.

just two years but he also played an. Important role In program, HISTORY and if i'm guessing i would say probably not just because, it was. JUST two years but interesting i.

mack i think. THAT'S the answer for Me.

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i like, okay whatever. Service you USE, that's Fine according to espn rider lines is one of the top five quarterbacks of. The twenty twenty six class he is the highest RATED recruit at that position byu assigned. Since two thousand and two and we're going, to, learn a lesson here Kids Because that quarterback was ben. Olsen who didn't pan out, he went on a MISSION, ended up transferring

to ucla but he was a five star. Kid back in the day we were talking off, air and to your point we are not going to see, him until twenty twenty seven and in between now and then. He will serve a mission the. Mission conversation, is, always interesting people say oh well they come back Men, and they're ready to well it's. Not really how it works but he will come back as a more mature twenty twenty one year old ready to play with four years. If he plays four years so it it does feel like

this is the first football recruit that HAS been. Signed in the nil era that feels a. Little aj de bonsa ISH i've. Not seen an nil figure i'm sure that will. Be Reported at some point Jeff goodman reported the aj debonca figure of seven million dollars to play FIVE. Months of basketball for byu When you look at the baylor transfer and You Do the math with richie saunders coming back and a bunch of OTHER high, level players for byu basketball the reports are they're paying about thirteen

to fifteen million dollars. FOR this roster this year i don't know. What the football number is, there's obviously far more, players so in, a Vacuum, THIS is like oh wow byu was able to lock in their, highest recruit THEY'VE. Had forever according, to espn with this addition they're now.

in to tell porter we don't. Have callers on the show we're. Not that kind of show you can call in at eight seven seven three five three zero. Seven, hundred or text us okay what's the deal with this new dynamic where if, you can throw a. Football, You're only fourteen months yeah and do you have to let him know in advance or can you? Just when you've hit that do you give? Him a two weeks notice or do you send him to a mission where you know the MISSION president is a huge byu, football maybe

and you're like just. RELEASE him after fourteen months i don't, think THAT'S how that works but i could know. How any of this works, this is by the way did you know church? Is only two hours now. It's, just, rand new religion. Yeah yeah you'd love it. Now, you should come, back well first. Of all let's, calm down second of all my son had a friend who was leaving on a mission. A couple of years ago, to your mission, or NO to your mission but, i, can

remember he's like yeah my BUDDY. Just left for the mtc and then like, Two, Weeks later he's like hey i'm going to HAVE dinner at he's doing Mtc at his house and i'm going. To HAVE dinner with, him and i. Was LIKE wait a, second when i was young when your, friend went on, a, mission you, Were like well he's dead. I'll never. See him. Again that's over like, you you could write letters. And that's kind of, it there was no, email there's no face. Side there's

no phone call it's like. An entirely different cultural experience my grandson did that when he went out to. Less than, a year ago and yeah the, first four weeks or. Whatever he was at.

Actually anyway, he played here but ultimately WHEN it comes to the i don't know, where you've read the information the rider's not GETTING as much money from byu as he Did. As he would for oregon But there's.

jeff goodman seven million dollars. FOR five months of basketball i don't understand why there is this like reluxed Reluctance to just embrace what i'll perceive to, be, your uncomfortable truth that yes you are. Paying these kids top. Dollar do your victory lap it's a GOOD thing. If you're a, Byu, fan why the pushback well they're framing it. As a whole new style you. NEED to read the Article i. Know, you're not desert news yeah let me get rid.

For the Utah football program or this Kyle's Saying no it was Alma, mater and yes to Utah and then getting THE pac twelve, invite WHERE, byu did not and byu in a reactionary, move because it was. Reactionary elected to go independent throughout the course, Of those two Journey paths utah under coach wit was able to build the dominant program and dominated. Their rival for a generation because of that Advantage and because, of who kyle is Now they're.

Both in the big twelve there's no advantage, one Way or the other except utah Is a. Full member and BYU's not. They will be next year they're, both in the SAME conference they, Both have p four access but it feels like the momentum is shifted down south as a result of the lds understanding of, the power of the purse, the members of the community and their understanding

of how you can utilize that when the. Opportunity is presented to you the opportunity opportunity has not been PRESENTED and these powerful lds byu alums that have built big companies and MLMs and have cashed in to make a lot of money are now writing checks to support the athletic department that they, Love and that TO me dave has GIVEN byu an Advantage that i don't.

i still i'm going. To revert Back to this while, this lion's thing is huge they had a big advantage and more power TO them to get, an lds kid, who's great who's you know a top five quarterback and has a father who played down there and FAMILY members who went to, byu that that. Right there you haven't advantage all you really have to do, is not screw. That up, and it didn't and no.

are ward. Houses all, over the place you know there's An institute Up. At the UNIVERSITY of utah but the byu experience IS unique juxtaposed any other lds. Experience you could have elsewhere there will always be. Kids who just want that AND there's been enough successful byu athletes who are now having children generation after generation that they will be raised. In kind of that ecosystem and, if you just want. That you just want that but you can't

just rely. On getting all of them, BUT a kid like This I, Said This, about britain covey BRITAIN, covey like if You're Byu you cannot let britain. Covey out of your backyard and a kid like this like if you CAN lock, in the best lds talent you can throw punches with any of the. Best schools in the country you. Can't Only rely. On it and colonnie doesn't but, this does, Feel Significant today quite frankly and i'm. Not diminishing that.

kalani he's, A Friend Of. The show ay rod jay they, have a great coaching staff they have, a great game day experience, they have a great history and they. Do have A great CULT sure and writer and aj will develop as People and Young. Men under kevin and klonnie but don't tell me that intertwined into the tapestry is not.

The checks that YOU'RE writing it just is i don't know why we have to deny that where it has to rely on COLUMNS from a b y U reporter from the d news that is carrying water for the school that. Is owned by the church you don't.

by any before i set you loose and. We'll get one more Teas do You Feel like utah and utah athletics are in at least a SIMILAR call to sac to byu with their financial resources to, take advantage of THIS opportunity because that's what i, Think. The bigger story is.

catch a quick break and we'll do the five. O'clock hour of the program it's, been a, busy news cycle of course We've Talked a lot about rider lions committing, to play for byu oh. We Have Some breaking news boston atlantan brooklyn are finalized in a Three team Trade that sends kristaps for zingis and a Second, Round Pick to The hawks terrence man in atlanta's Twenty, second pick To The nets and the Mini Vans on the move george niang and A second Rounder to the celtics as

boston continues to shed salary randomly Busy day On. A random tuesday in june, nba offseason is just beginning but the player movement that was rumored. Appears To be very Real. JORDAN poole, is a. PELICAN. Cj mccollin excuse Me. Cj McCollum is a Wizard. Kristaps Porzingis Is a hawk terrence man atlanta's Twenty. Second Pick to the nets George. Niang Goes to the Celtics Former jazz man obviously desmond baine Is A Member of the magic kevin durant Is A.

Member of the houston rockets so. Already Five pretty significant deals drew holliday also has Been Shipped Out. To The portland trail blazers the jazz have not gotten involved, in any of these transactions but maybe tomorrow. Will bring something PRETTY exciting, if, you're an nba fan Tonight, It's kind of Like. Christmas eve love the draft we're gonna. Have great covers for you guys before we. SAY canight's start your engines espn seven hundred is excited To Announce The

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you enlightened at all? By, either texters or. Callers, no you, Were not.

be talking about the? Jazz making a move tomorrow Or we talked about the jazz standing pat at five and making? THEIR pick WHERE they're at.

on him. BASED on some certain things i think, that if there's, a team, say you know top ten That Is, really Into, an ace bailey a conkkinipple whoever may, BE available there at Five i don't think the jazz would hesitate, to move Off Of, that take an Igor Demon take maybe a conk, nipple if he's, still, available and you know oh maybe we'll take another second round, pick from you as well just to facilitate moving back a few

spots and getting a different guy that. WE'RE just as comfortable with i could see that Very well being what. The jazz end up, Doing, but as you know spence to make a, deal happen on trade day there is a lot of moving parts and usually usually more than two TEAMS In A lot Of nba draft day? Deal so, will IT happen likely not But i could see the. Jazz, doing it for.

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