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You?

Fans? We uh a little nervous about this weekend.

A lot of you panicked when the Vegas line moved last night, and it moved very rapidly.

Something's up.

I'm not saying something's not up, but I don't know if that's something.

Is Cam Risey not going to Stillwater? I don't know.

I know a lot of people are talking about that, as the Vegas line moved rapidly last night. When we said good night at six o'clock yesterday on a Wednesday, the Utah Utes were a two point favorite over Oklahoma State in Stillwater. As we sit here today, Oklahoma State is a two point five point favorite. For you math experts out there, that's a four and a half point swing in a matter of hours.

That's not nothing.

I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying that there isn't anything going on. I remind you last year, despite being trolled on the interwebs by losers who use the Internet to feel brave, I'm the one that gave you the info that Cam and Bryant we're not gonna play all year.

That was about week three or four, caught a.

Lot of pushback from it, caught a lot of heat from it, but I was right, And as I can tell you today, I've done the best I could to get some info for the situation coming up on Saturday and Stillwater and everyone I talked to he says he's going.

Everyone I talked to, he says he's playing. I don't know.

That's a weird, weird dynamic for a line to move that much. So we're gonna get into it today. We're gonna get you ready for this Utah game coming up. YU has a challenging task of their own on Saturday night in Provo as Kansas State rolls into town. Kansas State at the number thirteen team in the country. I am of the opinion that this conference, despite the parody throughout the majority of it, is top heavy with two teams I think one case State, I think the other's Utah.

How about that.

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All right, so when we said good night last night six o'clock on a Wednesday, the University of Utah was a two point favorite over Oklahoma State heading into the game coming up in just a couple of days now about twenty four hours or excuse me, forty eight hours away as we sit here currently ish at boone Pickens Stadium.

Two o'clock PM is your kickoff on the.

Mountains on the Mountain time Zone, and then the TV coverage will be on Fox. Our pregame coverage for the radio side, we'll begin at ten o'clock with Porter Larsen. I'll hand it over to Bill Riley and Scott Mitchell and Stevenson Sylvester for the call. So of course, as always as you're home of the Utes, you can hear the game on this radio station. So last night, round eight nine o'clock I get like four or five texts

Every show I've listened to.

Everyone seems to be operating off the premise that cam is playing on Saturday in Stillwater.

However, well, we'll kind of take a little trip into.

The Doloreate and go back a year a year ago on this show, it was about this time, week three or week four, where after all of the Dog and Ponty show every single week, from the coaches and the players up there, it's like, hey, yeah, we're preparing this if he's gonna play. At some point we're like, dude, what's the deal?

Okay?

And I want to be clear, like, until coach Wit and his staff are mandated by the conference or college football to report injuries side note, they should be, but they're not. And until they are, I get this game now as a media member and somebody who's covering the team and trying to speak to the community about what we can expect. It drives me crazy. But nobody gives a rip about that. We all care about Utah Football

Get that done. That's not a knock on him.

It would be Isaac's first experience on the road in the Big twelve in a scenario and an environment like that. It's different than average stadium, it's different the logan, it's different than any of the high school stadiums he's played in. This would be the very definition of drinking from a fire hose and baptism by fire if Isaac Wilson is under centered against Oklahoma State. So anyway, I get these text messages and I'm like, why are people texting me asking if cam's gonna play?

And then they all said the same thing. Look at the line.

So I signed off air last night, six o'clock, Utah two point favorite.

I get home, walk the dog, have some dinner, come home.

Within about two hours, two and a half hours, the line went from Utah Favored by two to Oklahoma State, favored by two and a half. You don't see that very often. It doesn't mean nothing. Typically, if a line's gonna move, it'll move half a point, maybe one point. It doesn't move four and a half points in the matter of a couple of hours unless something's up.

So let's discuss who knows what it is. Okay, let's be clear. I don't. I'm not reporting anything.

I kicked the tires on a bunch of people today, including the source who gave me that Cam and Brandt were going to sit all of last year. That I told you about week three or four, angering youte fans on the internet.

But whatever, I was right, I stand by it.

And I got nothing on Cam on Saturday other than the walking line we received from the team and the institution that he's good to go. I listened to a couple of podcasts this morning, a couple of shows this morning previewing the weekend head in college football. They all talked about a massive game in Stillwater. Because there are a ton of really good games on the slate, this

That could be on the table. But for it to move for and a half points. That's seven figures.

Okay, that's a massive, massive bet from a shark or a wise guy that decided he liked the line and decided he was going to throw a bunch of chedder on it. But I can't sit here today and tell you I know exactly what's going on. So we'll move on from it and essentially talk about this game through the prison and through the lens of Cam under center, because that's what I've been told. I can't, you know, it can't pontificate on possibilities that are just out there.

We have to talk about the information that we have, and that is Cam.

We'll play, and if Cam does play, I'm starting to feel like this could be a comfortable ish type win for Utah. So Oklahoma State on defense has been bad. Now they've got athletes, they've got size up front. I actually, and Porter, this won't surprise you. Grinding on tape last night of Tulsa OKC. Tulsa's defensive line was blowing Oklahoma State's offensive line off the line.

They were pushing them back.

And Tulsa's defensive line doesn't have close to what Utah's defensive line has. However, it's on the other side where I think if you're okay State, you got to be really concerned about a Utah offense.

If if if Cameron Rising's under center.

Oklahoma State has given up the third most explosive plays in college football this year. They've given up twenty five plays of twenty yards or more. Arkansas had eight. They should have lost that Arkansas game if you watch it. Okay State needed a miracle to come back. But they stay clean defensively. They're a bit of a sieve right now. They're really underperforming. I mean again, they smoke Tulsa, but they give up thirty one to Arkansas.

They give up eight big plays.

They've given up eight plays of over twenty yards, which is excuse me, twenty five plays of over twenty yards on defense, which is the third worst in the country. Now, where it gets tricky is if on the other side, cameras not under center. Because if that's the case, I can see a little bit of an attack where it is run heavy, kill the clock, keep Bowman and Gordon on the sideline, and try to get out of dodge

The second ALFA against Utah State.

So if we get any information about this, we'll bring it to you for sure. Like I said, the line moving was weird, I'm not saying that it's not. I just can't tell you what it means because I don't have any intel, And we'll just kind of have to wait until Saturday to see what it looks like. All right, KSE State in Provo coming up Saturday night. Love the way the schedule is kind of playing out. You can watch the ute game, you can grab some dinner, and they get ready for a late kick in Provo at

For me.

For BYU, this would be a massive, massive win. For them in my opinion, based off of how I feel they've kind offer so far. Still with a bunch of questions to be asked about whether or not that defense second year under J Hill.

Of course Kilani as the head coach.

It looks like a defense that is coached by J Hill and coached by Kilanie. But how real is it based off the competition that we've seen so far Southern Illinois, I still.

Give them a ton of credit. We're going to talk to a Rod about this.

The road win at SMU, they smoked a really bad Wyoming team.

K State is different. They bullied Arizona.

Watching that game, I was extremely impressed Avery Johnson, dual threat quarterback. If BYU's defense can look like it has for the first three weeks, they got a puncher's chance here. This is on the offense. I know we'll ask a Rod about the running back help or health. I should say last week against Wyoming they were without their first two choice running backs and LJ. Martin and Hinckley Rapati. So we'll see if Miles Davis gets a little run. But to me, this comes down to BYUS quarterback. Jake

I think that's a lot to ask.

In your defense, I think Jake's gonna have to really put it one of the best performances of his career out there coming up in provo for BYU to get to win. However, Porter the most under talked about element of BYUK States, and my reporting is indicated coming up on Saturday night, they are going to have the original maple flavored cougar tails, but they are offering a special

And you said vanilla Vanella frosting.

I might have to make a trip just for a cougartail for the football as well.

Okay, let's be clear, Big twelve football as well. There's also new packaging for the cougartail. Okay, yeah, tell me about it. Well, that's all there is. It's vanilla frosting and it's new packaging.

It sounds exciting.

I think you got to pick Cougar's if they're going with the new cougartail.

I'm going to pick the Wildcats, but I might go eat a.

Cougar till all right, fair enough, So two massive games coming up this weekend. Excited to learn a little bit more about Utah. Excited to learn a little more about BYU.

All right, coming up on the other side, more college football.

Robert Turbin, one of the best ever doing at Utah State, was on the broadcast for Utah State Utah week ago. We'll bring in Robert today, Big show, Big big hour with Buller and Monson, BYU offensive coordinator Aaron Roderick, and we'll say good night at six on a Thursday.

So keep it right here.

Big weekend of college football ahead, Massive weekend at college football ahead, both locally and nationally.

Some great games on the schedule.

Utah Heads and still Water CEE, Oklahoma State on Saturday afternoon. And then it's BYU's turn to welcome in k State. Our next guests joins us a couple of times a year if we're lucky, if the schedules line up. The offensive coordinator of the BYU Cougars Aaron Roderick on a Thursday afternoon.

Ay, Rod, how you doing, buddy?

I'm doing well.

Hey.

The intro song, that's a good touch.

Like it.

That's your gig. That's your song.

Because I remember, I think the first time I had John, like five years ago or something, I'm like, give me the band, you said, drive by.

So every time we have you on, that's your bed.

I love it. Nice job.

You you seen them lately?

I have, yeah, yeah, saw them the summer.

Did you see the show up here? Because I went to the show up here in Salt Lake. You were at that show?

Okay? I was, yep, very nice, good time, very nice.

Yep.

Well, we're not here to talk music, hey Rod. We're here to talk football. And you guys are three and oh. So here's why I want to start. You were three and oh a year ago. What gives you confidence that this three and oh is different than last year's three and oh?

Just we have a more experienced team, a lot of guys that went through some tough, tough times last year, and just you know, I think we're more prepared to deal with what's ahead of us town. I mean, we've got a tough road ahead for sure. No one's saying it's not tough. But I think we're just built a lot, We have a little more depth, and we just we just what we went through last year. I think there's a lot of lessons you could learn from that.

Yes, you have a tough road ahead. We'll get to that in the moment.

But before we do, of course, there was a battle for the quarterback starting job that was run by one by Jake Rhet's laugh. How close was that leading up to the start of the year and what ultimately gave Jake the nod over Behannon.

Yeah, I mean Gary I thought did a good job in camp. The longer camp went, Gary just kept getting better and better. He you know, he got the chance to play at Wyoming last week and that was the first snaps he'd had and I think October tenth, if I'm correct, it was October of twenty twenty two is the last time played in the game, and so his injury was really serious. And he's just since he got here, he's just slowly been getting a little more healthy and

So, as I've heard you talk about, as I've heard Collotte talk about, we talked about on this show. I think anybody who covers BYU football talks about it. We saw four starts from Jake last year. We've seen three this year. There are certainly dynamite moments that indicate he's got what it takes for you guys, to do what you want to do. Then there are moments where they're

But how do you coach that?

I mean, obviously you don't want turnovers, No coach loves turnovers, But how do you coach that?

How does he get better at that?

Well, we're trying to eliminate the the egregious ones. You know there was a couple of mistakes in the SMU game that were, you know, sort of gave us all PTSD from a year ago. The interception in the Wyoming game. We were throwing a one on one matchup to one of our best players against one of their players that we wanted to attack. He under threw the ball just a little bit. I thought Cody sort of could have reacted a little better and at least broken it up,

All right, Let's move over to the running back room. Let's get an update here. Hinkley, Rapati, LJ. Martin, two very capable backs. I understand they're banged up. So I've said this to you before. If I had a running back named Miles Davis, he'd play every snap for me just based off his name.

But I'm just I'm a radio guy. I'm not a coach.

So talk about how you're handling the health situation and the depth you have in that running back room.

Yeah, we had Miles has stepped up and played well. We had Enichnawaheene stepped up and played well against SMU, and then last week we had se Anymore and Polkai Huwanga houn a step up and both of those guys played well.

So I have.

Confidence in those guys. It's not going to be a one guy gets thirty carries kind of game. We're going to play those guys to their strengths and and we'll use them as we see fit. But I have confidence in all of them, and Harvey's done a great job getting those guys ready to play.

So up this up this way, Rod.

As you know, Utah has a real weapon in bran Keathy, who they moved around in a bunch of different ways, and it feels like you're using Chase. And we caught up with Chase at Big twelve media days in Vegas, and you know, a great kid, really good interviewer, obviously a veteran presence for you guys. Seems like you're utilizing him in a much more nuanced way than you did a year ago. Is that fair to say? And what can you say about the way he started the year?

Yeah, we're using him. He's kind of playing a really similar role to what Puka played for us a couple of years ago. Or Puka lined up everywhere, did everything. And you know, I'm not saying Chase is the same guy, but he is a very complete player and we can do a lot of different things with him. So yes, and he's a veteran now, so there's publy no limits on where he can line up, what he can do. And uh so yeah, you're that's I'm glad you noticed that because that is true.

Well, I mean, he's I wanted to follow up with this.

It appears that he has evolved as a playmaker that can do more things than he just did a year or two ago.

And these are young people. Of course, they are going to evolve and improve.

But what specifically did you see leading up to the season, whether it's camp or whatever, it is that has motivated you to use him in so many different nuanced ways.

Well, first of all, he's he's long, he's six four, and Chase can run. I mean he's not just a possession guy. He can he can get down the field, take the top off the defense. He's really good runner with the ball in his hands. He breaks tackles, he makes people miss. So we get him the ball in the Jets sweep game, we get him the ball on shallow crosses, and try to get him the ball in the open field where he can run with it, and

He was thinking about this when I was watching the Wyoming game. I mean, Chase, Darius Lasseter, Cody Epps and I could keep going. You guys have a ton of different weapons, you know, whether it's tight ends, wide outs, or what have you. I mean, you really have a bunch of different guys that have been in the program for a while, some new guys who are in the program for the first time with the transfer window and stuff. But it does feel like whether it's Jake or whether

Yeah, that's not always easy. I mean, those guys all want the ball, they all want to play. That's part of Fesse's job and Kevin Gilbride's job to use those guys as they see fit and try to you know. But it's part of being a team though, too, is understanding that if everybody's a threat and everybody's part of the offense, and we're harder to defend as a team. And I do believe we're we're a lot more skilled

What we had you on a year ago. Also, Klada as well hopped on the show. We talked about what appeared to be I guess the way I'll say it gently is some inconsistency with the offensive line right a year ago. Do you feel like that's been better a rod Through three games.

It's been better, and it's it's it's a work in progress. You're right, it was that was it was a problem a year ago, and we did not execute as a team well enough last year, but especially as an off of the line. So far through three games, run game has shown improvement. And it's nowhere near where we want to get to, but we've been improving our past. Protection has been solid, and that group is playing much better

I know that Wyoming was your most recent opponent, but I want to go back to SMU because before that game, all week on this show, and I know you're a daily listener, so thank you for that.

I'm telling you what you already heard. But on this show, whether it was just my take or.

Interviewing people, I don't think people fully understand how big that win was.

Okay, so if you weren't able to get.

SMU, you were going to have to get Wyoming and then find four conference wins to go bowing. Not saying you can't do that, but how big was that? How big was that win? What was to feel like in the locker room after you guys just gotted that thing out and came home with the dub.

It was huge and we were twelve point underdogs or eleven point underdogs on the road and SMU has dudes. Man, those that's that team. That team can play with anybody in our conference. I've been through this conference now for a year that's a good football team. They're gonna they're gonna win some games this year in the ACC, and especially on defense, they have two guys that are supposed to be really high draft picks. I thought they were very good. We didn't play great on offense, but it

I thought it was gutty, man, I really thought it was gutty. I was impressed that you guys came back with that when to your point, you were a double digit underdog. All right, hey, Rod, here's a little yeah, here's a little analysis for you.

Kse State's all right. This is a good team.

They bullied Arizona in a way that kind of even caught me off guard. So k State rolls into Provo Saturday night. It's a late one, it's gonna be eight thirty, that's on ESPN. As you study tape on Kansas State, what stands out most just how big is this task in front of you coming up on Saturday night?

Well, it's huge. Case State is a team that they're not going to beat themselves. They're gonna they don't make mistakes, they do everything right. They are squared away in all three phases. You know, when when people watch us on film, our opponents watch us on film, I hope that they feel the same way about us that I feel when I watch Kansas State play, Like they do everything right.

Obviously, you are hyper focused on your game and I wouldn't expect anything other than that. But you do have experience going to Stillwater and playing at Okay State, which is what Utah does Saturday afternoon. What can you tell us about that experience? What are youth fans in for? What is the youth football team in for?

Well, just I would say it's similar to almost all the road games in the Big Twelve. It was a different experience, much different than the Pack twelve. You're you know, Pac twelve. Everything was like a one hour flight. You're mostly going to destinations that are pretty nice and you're excited to be there, and short drive on game day to a stadium that may or may not be very intimidating. In the Big twelve, there's you know, every every flight's

Since we're in the space with the Utes, and you're familiar with this coaching staff, you're familiar with this programs, and you and I haven't spoken in this space for about a year or so. I wonder what your reaction was when you found out that you were once again going to be conference peers with Utah.

When the news came down, Yeah, it's cool.

I mean, I'm excited about it. I think adding another great team to our conference just makes it better, you know, And so I'm excited about it. I mean, we're we're in a weird, weird world of constant change. You never know what's gonna happen from year to year right now, but I think that our league is very good this year. And you know there's just right now. I'm just folks, not on Kansas State, but I definitely think the more good teams.

The better, for sure.

And before I sat you loose, I'm gonna ask you the same question I asked Kilani at Big twelve media days. How have you guys acclimated to this new reality of transfer portal of nil? I mean, Kevin Young and his staff are getting a lot of money, getting a lot of support, and obviously a lot a lot of that's coming from Ryan. Ryan Smith's basketball guy. And I you know, I'm a fan of yours. I'm a fan of Kilaune.

I feel like we're very competitive with that stuff. I mean, our players are doing very well. And one thing that I know that is true of this place is when our players are you know, when there's something whether it's an il money or something like that, when there's when there's something that's promised or contracted by it. And I'm not involved in this stuff, I know that it's it's very important here that the players to the university they get what they were told they were going to get.

You golfing at all you're swinging a golf club these days or is it all coaching?

All head down, elball?

All all right, Well I just was because Colani is saying he's getting better, and I need somebody to give me proof that they're actually seeing he is.

He is getting better. Yeah, he's improved. All yeah, Well, look I appreciate the one fest is the best golf front our set ah.

Okay, all right, yeah, well look man, you just want to make sure you're balancing out life a little bit. But then I realize you're a coach and you guys do not know how to do that.

So I appreciate your time. Go ahead.

I try to get in a run. You know, if I try to run every day, that's my that's my little moment a piece.

All right, man, Well look well we'll set you loose. You know, we're always pulling for you. For you up here. Good luck against k State and continued success.

Okay, great talking, thank you?

All right.

Aaron Rodgers, offensive coordinator for BYU. It's a big weekend college football, both in state and nationally. First, it's Utah, Okay State and Stillwater. Love this when you can actually watch both games because Utah Okay State two o'clock, then byu K State eight thirty.

Man.

That is a late late tip, late late kick for folks driving down to Provo. If you're coming from Salt Laker up north, you're not gonna be home intel like four am. So best of luck with that. But of course always pulling for our guy a Rod Klonne. Those guys down in Provo, great dudes. Hopefully they can pull it off. All right, more coming up next on a Thursday show Keep it right here on ESPN seven hundred.

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We're good, man, We're good. It's a big weekend coming up.

And you know this is your alma mater, k State rolling into Provo for the first time since what like seventy nine? Did you ever think your alma mater was gonna be playing college football in this state?

Huge surprise and really a treat. I had plans to be there, but the games at a thirty. I thought it was gonna be at noon. It seems like I have this problem many times. But ESPN made it a primetimer at Lease on the West Coast in the Mountain time zone as a primetimer at eight thirty, So I have another commitment. Sadly at night I'll be able to watch. Well, i'll record it, but I'll probably be able to see the second half live, but man, I wanted to be

Had a chance to interview Chris Climb in Big twelve media Day. Very impressive, very impressive guy. Yeah, and I gotta say, Craig, like they bullied Arizona, like Arizona they suffocated them, like it wasn't even a fair fight. Arizona top twenty team at the time. What do you think byus in for as K State rolls into pro Bo is a six point five point favorite.

Now, well, I'd say if people are going to say you're just talking up State because you went there, but no, this is a good football team. This program has come a long way led by Bill Snyder years ago, and they continue to build. You know what, every football team wants to have the tradition and just a way of how they play the game. And I think they do it, you know with lesser you know, five star players, Spence. Look, they go out and find threes and fours and guys

So ultimately you brought up the lad kick, it's an eight thirty kick, and that is you know, it's the you know, it's a necessary evil as it pertains to where the Big twelve is on the hierarchy of television executives picking teams for prime windows.

It is primetime on the West coast.

But it is way too late for folks back east to really stay up and watch. I wonder if from your vantage point, case State rolls in there's already altitude, that place is going to be going crazy eight thirty. The night games in Provo are fun. Man, those kids show up and show out, so it's going to be loud. What sort of complications do you think this for Alma Mater? The fact that they're probably not going to be done until the Sabbath begins.

I love that, you know they won't mind playing after midnight. Look, I think that's okay. I don't think b YU is gonna pull their players off the off the field either if it goes late. But you know, I think the altitude will be a bit of a blast I mean, you know, they'll have to get used to it first quarter. I'm always a believer Spence covering teams over the years, they always talk about how do you start games, especially

So last thing here, and I just want to make sure this doesn't change your opinion on the outcome of the game or how it's going to play out.

But my sources Craig in that Saturday night.

In Provo, the good folks down at BYU will roll out, Yes, indeed your classic maple Cougar tails. But attendant to it, they're planning on releasing a very limited edition vanilla frosting cougartail. Does that change your view on how this game is going to play out?

On Saturday?

I saw that. I saw that. You know what, if I was there, I would definitely be taste. That'd be a tasty treat, to be honest with you, the original If I'm not mistaken, where will the original frosting be? And then the lighter cougartail. Is that in the front or the front of the tail?

That's a good question.

But I'm also told that they're releasing limited edition new packaging for their cougar tails. So I'm only bringing this up, Craig because but it also feels like this is an underreported element because those students are going to be even more fired up after consuming, you know, this new cougartail scenario. Maybe that is something that you need to tell your alma mater about.

Yeah, I'm going to make a phone call. The sugar high will be a you know, it be insane, Spence, as you know that concerns me. You know, sugar, you know, but you have to be careful too. That sugar high wears off, you know, after a while, So yes, be prepared for a while crop and it could swim up down It could, It could could. But I'm anxious for these guys that I know to come into town, Spence, I really am.

You know.

They always say what you been down doing on Utah a these years. That's well you're gonna get You're gonna get your first taste of really what the mountains and the night feel at Lavelle Edwards Stadium feels like, Uh, you know, I did ten years of BYU football and basketball, and I've always been in awe of both stadiums by the way up on the hill and down and that

All right over to the utes, Greg.

Something something's cooking, Okay, something's going on here. I don't know what, all right, So it's just really odd to see a line swing four and a half points in a matter of just a couple of hours.

That rarely happens.

Okay, So when we signed off air last night at six, Utah was a two point favorite, and then went home, walked the dog, grab some food, and suddenly I get like four texts simultaneously, and they all said the same thing. Is cam playing on Saturday? And I said, well, I think so, you know, like we don't know, and I want to be clear. Until the conference mandates Kyle and his staff to report injuries, I totally understand why they don't.

I understand that.

I do think college football will eventually adopt the pro model where we will get an injury report and that does away with the ambiguity. But until we are there, I understand why they do this. I can't speak to why that line moved four and a half points in a matter of hours, but that means something, Craig, I don't know what it means, but it means something.

Look today, am I right? Two and a half? That's where we're.

That's that's where we are. That's where we are to that.

It's interesting, isn't it the Cam Rising factor? I mean, would you say that's probably it?

Well, it's it's either somebody in Vegas got a tip the Cam's not playing, because it can't be that like Karenne Read is out, because a four and a half point swing indicates like a big time injury to somebody that really moves the needle, which would be a quarterback. All due respect to Karenna that we want him back to.

Well, I would think it has to be big money bet. I mean, unless something's happened in practice, because all indications point that the laceration on the right hand at Cam Rising wasn't as serious as some people thought, and that

Now, a four and a half swing in like two and a half hours is a quarterback injury or big money.

I don't know what else it could be.

But let's move off that, Craig, and let me ask you, since you and I last spoke, we did see Utah for the first time in twelve years. Go up to Logan. They got to win over Utah State. It wasn't pretty, it was rough for the start, but specifically focusing on Isaac Wilson, I thought the young man met the moment after a tough start. I thought he really stepped up. I thought he answered some questions. What did you see from Utah's backup quarterback last Saturday?

Well, confidence came his way and that's what they were waiting for. And I thought, honestly, you got to say that with Kyle and Andy and the way they kind of game planned it, I thought they put a lot of confidence into him. I thought he found you know, after a little maybe slow, shaky, you know, first couple of series. I thought he just played great. I mean they put it on him again. Offensive line, strong, d line, played their game, and I think Isaac really found some

I wonder bull.

I was listening to your old buddy Joel Klatt his podcast this morning, and he broke down Utah Okay States and he said, any he wasn't reporting this, but he referenced that there's a feeling and he would know. I mean, he's pretty plugged in in the scene of college football. There's a feeling this could be wits last year. I

Yeah.

I think a lot of players always think they'll walk off the field once they won a Super Bowl, but then all of a sudden the hunger of the game returns, and it's hard to leave Spence. I think it'll be hard for for Wit to leave, no matter when. I mean, it's in his blood, it's in his DNA about right. And he always he had chances to make a jump from here or there. Probably had an NFL call once

All right, Craig, before I say you lose, I mean we have been very football centric and I cover everything that goes on, So we do hockey.

We'll do a little RSL.

The Utah Jazz start their camp in what, yeah, like two weeks away.

I mean, this is why this time of year is so fun. Just in a matter of days.

Quite frankly, we'll be able to really cover all of the local products that I enjoy covering. I mean, that's kind of what this show is about. We're not one product centric. We cover everything that we have going on here and do the best we can to be fair and all that stuff. But as Jazz Camp approaches, you know, another year with Craig butlerjack behind the microphone. Is this the time of year where you start to get excited? Is this the type of year where you start to get antsy?

What are your what are your thoughts on the Jazz being back in just a matter.

Of a couple of weeks all the above. A week from Monday the thirtieth is the the big day where the team and our staff get together and the media has a chance to really get all the all the interviews out of the way and a chance to kind of get to know a lot of new faces. Spence, yeah, some of the players around and they call it open

You know?

And Sexton is he going to be a starter? My guess is yes. And the growth of Kyante and Taylor Hendrix, all those things come into play. But I'm most interested too to see what Walker Tessler becomes in year three, Big t and most NBA players will tell you that year three is kind of the jumping off point that either you find out who you are or the Jazz may move on who knows, But I think it's a big year. I mean for a lot of players, but for Walker. With Pilapowski in the camp, it's going to

All right, Bowler, thanks for the time, my friend, and have a great weekend. And the weather's supposed to beautiful, so Hopefully you have something fun planned and we'll chat soon.

Thank you.

Sir.

Hey, well, you tell Gordo man I I kind of miss him.

I will tell him.

I will tell him that you miss him, but I will not say that we miss him.

I will say that you miss him. Is that fair?

Well?

Well, let me backpedal on that. I'm not sure I do.

I don't know.

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How we doing that?

Was the best sports talk host in the market.

That's very kind of you, Gordon.

I appreciate you saying that, and I just want to get your take right out of the gates about what you just witnessed in the UAFA Champions League game between AS Monaco and FC Barcelona.

Uh. Preposterous, ridiculous, I mean I can't even find the right words. Just shocking.

Huh Okay, any specific element of the game that was preposterous and shocking just.

Because of a bad form And I didn't see, you know, I didn't see. I didn't see the action I thought I was going to see. I thought that the game was lethargic and the Paul movements shucked and I mean it just it was. It was sloppier than I thought.

Huh, Okay, you know reports have in front of me are talking about what a clean, fast paced game it was and now entertaining it was for the audience.

You must have seen something different with your keen eye.

Well, I mean you say, they say each his own filby crew, their own eyeballs, and look, all I can tell you is what my brain tells me that that's sure.

Sure, beauty is in the eye of the Gordop. All right, let's start with Utah. So last week, Utah goes up to Logan for the first time in twelve years.

And they handled their business. But it was a little shaky at the start.

But I want to hone in on Isaac Wilson, who I've been talking about all week is as a young man who I thought Gordon really met in the moment after a shaky start, What did you see from Utah's QB two.

Well, you saw the growth during the game. Early on, it looked like more of the same what we've slipped between seen earlier. But as time went on, he seemed to settle in and I thought they allowed him to show what he's got and I think that emboldened him and made him a better quarterback. I'll say it this way. I don't think there's any doubt that Isaac Wilson is

I really felt like a general sigh of relief in this community based off of just how unprepared they were a year ago to handle the injuries to their quarterbacks. And I say that plural because it was Cam and Brandon, but it has to be a huge sigh of relief because here's the thing, Gordon, I mean, look, none of us want Cameron to be injured. None of us want him to get hurt. We want him to be healthy,

My guess is you would bet it that he won't. I mean, we have the data.

It's hard to stay you know, optimistic, even though we want him to stay healthy, it's hard to be optimistic about him playing every single game. So I still believe if they want to win the Big Twelve, they need Cam under center. But at least ute fans know that there's a kid waiting in the wings where it doesn't look as catastrophic it did a year ago when it was Bryson, Nate and Bryce and the Nate like. They do have a plan in place this year, and I think that's a great sign.

All true spence, every bit of it, and I think he'll get better. The problem for Isaac Wilson will be if he is called upon in the game or two moving forward, he's probably going to face a better team than Utah State. I know there are a lot of compliments passed around about what the Aggies and the way they played in their toughness and all that sort of thing. Kyle talked a lot about that, but really that's not relative to what they will face in the Big Twelve.

Some tenuous storylines have emerged over the past, you know, twelve to sixteen hours here Gordo with Utah high speed ahead to still Water to take on Oklahoma State. And when we signed off last night at six o'clock, Utah was a two point favorites. And then, as I've talked about all day on the show, I go home, I walk the dog, I get some dinner, and then I get four tech simultaneously that say the same thing, which is is Cam playing on Saturday. I'm like, well, I

Well, I don't know the answer to the question with any exactness, but I think your instincts are pretty good, Spence, And that is somewhat concerning, because when you have the kind of injury that Cam had, you know that thing can be bothersome and a lot of it. It's kind of like a golfer who you know, you think a finger problem or whatever, but when you're gripping the club, as you know, as a season golfer, you know that

Yeah, if if he doesn't play on Saturday, he's properly hurt. And I can already feel the general consensus in the market of oh, here we go again. Now, let's be very clear. We don't know whether or not Cam's going to be under center. I don't If I had the guest today, I would say that he is, because that's what I've been told. And I'm the one that they told everybody last year that Cam and Brandt weren't playing all year long after two or three weeks and caught a ton of heat.

But do you feel like.

Gordon, because I've heard a lot of people talk this way this week, do you feel like if Utah goes to Stillwater gets it down against ok State, that puts them in the driver's seat to potentially win the conference.

Even though it's only week four.

Yes, I do, I do agree with that. And Spence, going back to last years, you were miss you were just making mistakes. You were misled. You were misled, and a lot of people were misled. They made it sound like, oh, it's just around the corner. It's just around the corner. And that was the longest, biggest corner I've ever seen. And of course you never ended up playing. And so that was not foolishness on your part. That was what everyone on the inside saw it, and then it didn't

Tell me from the perspective of a season journalist like yourself. I said this earlier, intel the conference or college football excuse me, mandates that you report injuries. I understand why Kyle and his staff do what they do now, as somebody who covers the team and tries to talk to the community about the storylines, it drives me nuts that we have to deal with this.

But what do you make of the.

Dynamic in college football juxtaposed to the pros where you have to submit the injury report, where a lot of schools, including the Utes, just don't say a word in order to not tip their hand to the opponent.

While all of college football is moving towards the professional model, and some of those things are maybe unfortunate. Some people see it like that. But this is one that they should change, and I think they will change. It needs to change. There's too great an interest, there's too much, there's too much riding on these games for guys not to be honest about who's going to be available, because that makes a huge difference. Obviously, a guy like Cam Rising,

Since we're in the space, I'll just ask you if it isn't Cameron, if we are, if we're sitting down on the couch, if we got the TV fired up and Utah, let's say they get the opening kick, they receive it, return it and boom first first in ten Utah and then out runs eleven and not seven, and it's Isaac can not Cam? Do you think they can go get That would be a big upset on the road with a true freshman in stillwater. Do you think Utah can get this game if it's not Cam and it is Isaac.

I think it'll be much more difficult. And if I were Obama State and I saw Isaac Wilson come out on that field, I would do everything I could to disrupt him and hurry him up and make him feel uncomfortable, because the strength of his game is when he does get comfortable and he sits back in that pocket and

All Right, one more Utah storyline, then we'll move over to BYU. You were the guy that hopped on the show last week and said, quote, Wyoming sucks end quote, and you appear to be right, but I wanted to get your take on this.

I was listening. We just talked to Bowler.

I asked him this question because Joe Klatt, who Craig worked with for a number of years on the college football side.

His podcast today.

This is kind of his weekend preview pod, and Joel's one of the college football guys I like to listen to.

I think he's really bright.

And he previewed Okay, stay Utah, and then he went on a little Kyle Whittingham diatribe where he talked about and I want to get your take on this, because the topic of when will Kyle retire is not new in the marketplace, and part of it is because he drops hints here or there about not wanting to coach past sixty five, or on my show a couple of years ago when he asked what my dad is up to these days and I said he's kind of retired, spending time with the grandkids.

He said, that's going to be me soon.

Like Kyle does drop little tidbits and hints, you know, kind of chumming the water a little bit. But if Utah wins the Big Twelve this year, if they go go to the CFP and for the first time, coach wit has a chance to coach a team that really has a shot to win a championship. I don't think they're Texas or Ohio State or whatever, but you understand the spirit of the question, that will mean Kyle was here from the Whack to the Mountain West, winning Mount

All good logic there, because those of us who know Kyle have been talking to him about.

This and it's not a drop easy.

He sincere in what he's saying, and his reasons for talking about retiring are good ones. He talks about family and listening time with them and being able to do things with his grandkids and he hasn't been able to. These are all noble reasons for him to go. He's a better football coach now than he's ever been. He's

All let's move over to BYU. Do you want to spend any time on the Wyoming game. You're the one that came on air last Thursday and said Wyoming sucks, b why you should roll?

You were right, and they did give.

Me your.

Yeah, and that's exactly and Wyoming's not good. And Colisataki said afterward, you know, in so many words, he said, we probably should have won by more, but he felt good about what's happening with the team moving forward. But it's so hard to judge how good they are against that kind of opponent. I mean, that team is not good.

So let me ask you this.

The defense through three games has been like last year was so weird. I'm watching BYU football, I'm like, wait a second, your head coach is Klonie Satakea. You just hired Jay Hill and you're like last in the nation in sacks. It was really strange. So they've flipped that this year and they have been really good defensively. Have you seen enough from BYU on defense to believe that on that side of the ball they can hang on Saturday night against a really physical Case State team.

My number one question, well maybe probably number two, behind the quarterback situation about BYU is can they pressure the quarterback and you just address that. They surprised me in that regard. Klannie told me they were going to be able to do that, and I wasn't sure I believed him, But that is the best way to stop a gifted quarterback. Now this kids are going up against on Saturday night. You can pressure him, but he's mobile enough to move around, and so I don't know how that's going to go.

Opponent, and you reference this.

So for me, I feel like I've seen enough from BYU's defense and the respect I have for Jay and Kolani to believe that physically they can hang with most teams in the Big twelve. KSE State might be an exception, but I think Byu is going to be fine that way.

To me, Gordon. This is a Jake retzov game.

This is if BYU wants to win on Saturday in provo home field advantage, their quarterback has to be better than he has been, not just so far this year, but four stars last year. Like in my opinion, U y, you're about a touchdown underdog for them to pull off the upset at home.

This is a Jake retz laf game.

Yeah, and no turnovers are a very few mistakes. He's got to be an intelligent, proficient quarterbacks because they're gonna have to keep up with k State because kse State is going to move the ball and they're going to gobble up yardies on the ground. Even with that BYU defense, I mean, these things they're connected. Is that by defense can keep k State off the field offensively, then that will give obviously Jake where it's a lot more opportunity

And you should probably know this, Gordon.

On Saturday night, the BYU, the whoever's in charge of the game promotions, they've announced that they are offering the traditional maple glaze cougartail, but for Saturday night, which is also a whiteout, which is also known as Monday in Provo, they are offering a cougar tail with vanilla frosting too. Does that change your opinion on how the game will go on Saturday?

Oh, it's the cougar's all the way. I mean, who wouldn't want that. It's been a long time. It's been a long time since I've had a cougar tail. But that sounds inviting to me. And you know what happens is and you know how it is in Provo, so utilize sugar in order to create energy because they can't really turn to other substances without breaking the honor code,

Yes, sir, all right, my friend, I appreciate your time today, save travels, and we'll get you back in the studio soon.

Okay, alrighty next week we'll see you the.

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He's a Super Bowl champ.

Robert Turbin on the Drive on a Thursday, Robert, how you doing many?

What's up man? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.

I appreciate the time, so give us an updoate on what you're doing now. It seems like you're really busy. Like I said, you really go to the broadcasting stuff. How busy does that keep you? And what else do you have going on?

Well? I appreciate that very much. It means a lot. You know, I started calling games for CBS in twenty twenty two, and you know, I've just done my best to try to build from there. My first year I did eight games, and last season I did eleven, and this year I've got a full slate of thirteen, including the Conference USA championship game at the end of the year. So not looking too far ahead, but certainly excited about

All right, man, good stuff, good stuff.

Well, best of luck, and if you ever want to hop on to get some reps, of course, I always would love to interview a former Super Bowl champ.

So you have a home here.

But I wonder, Robert, what your impressions were last week of the Utah Utah State game and specifically what you saw from Utah's young quarterback to the true freshman Isaac Wilson.

Well, I think Isaac showed that he's certainly going to be the future for Utah at quarterback. Now, you know, I know, like Kyle Whittingham, is big on competition, so he certainly won't be just handed the keys to the car. When that opportunity persists itself, He'll have to earn it. But he certainly displayed a lot of good things against

So away from the quarterback position, what else on the and we'll get to the Utah State stuff in a minute, but what else on the Utah side most stood out to you.

I mean, they were able to run the football.

With Makai Bernard. I thought Utah State looked pretty good early. There was a lot of nervous youth fans after that early start from Utah State. But other than Isaac Wilson, Robert, what were some of your takeaways from watching Utah play last week.

You know, one of the guys that stood out to me on the defensive side for Utah was Cameron Calhoun. You're talking about a freshman with not a lot of playing experience obviously at the you know, at the FBS level, and you know there were some moments in there where he got beat, but again, it was just this resilient mentality that you saw throughout a number of guys in

So your alma mater looked ready to go early.

Obviously, Bryson Barnes played down here for a for a couple of different years, so you know, he knows the scheme, he knows the personnel, and threw.

A couple of picks.

But did you believe early on when Utah State took that lead that we were potentially in for an upset? What was your what was your confidence lever early on when Utah State came out and punched u TI right in the mouth.

Well, I expect that. I expected Utah State to come out fast and you know, sort of have this uh you know, this energy about him to start the football game. The crowd was into it. There's a there's a quite a few a few players who transferred from Utah and who are now at Utah State. So I sort of expected them to have a fast start. And the other thing, too, was I mean, think about how the game finished for

You know, Russul Feizon pulled his best Robert Turbin and went for a buck fifteen against a really good defense. I wonder what your take is, Robert on why Utah staid was able to find so much success on the ground against a defense that typically is very, very very good against the run. And then what Utah needs to do better coming up on Saturday against the guy who won the Doak Walker a year ago.

Oli Gordon, that's a good question. I got a chance to talk to razul Fezar before the game, and you know, I just toilet said, look, you know, if you want to have some success today against this defense, you're going to have to attack these guys downhill, north and south. I mean, the minute you can get north, the second you can get north, getting north, and that is going to sort of be the formula for you and this

I know you don't live here anymore, Robert, but I am curious to get your take on how connected you remain to Utah State and other Utah State alums, and what your reaction is, and what the reaction is of great players like yourself who played here and stay connected to the program. About the chaos that ensued in Logan this offseason, costing Blake Anderson his job, Jerry Bovee and others let go, and Nate Dryling, while on a European trip with his wife, found out that he is now the head coach.

As he was at a pub insk in Ireland. I believe.

So it's just been a bizarre you know, five six months up there. What's the thought of Utah State Alum.

Yeah, you know, it has been and coach Nate Driling is you know, has been excellent, you know, to be able to step up in here. I believe he was in Ireland with his wife, but you know, to be able to step up and take on this role and this challenge and the and the kids that really responded very well to him. He only one player since he took over, transferred away from the program, and so that lets you know, and tells you a lot about coach Nate Driling and you know how he presents himself with

All right, well said, I want to move back over to Utah. I want to ask you a question about Cameron Rising. You know QB one around here and you're a guy that played at the highest level, and you played at the highest level as a running back where you had the ball in your hand and very big, physical, large men were trying to kill you while you were running with the football. So the conversation around here, Robert has been now for a number of months, like when

So give me your thoughts on that, Robert.

Will you Yeah, you can absolutely absolutely learn it. If you're intentional about learning something, you will. One of the examples I can give is Josh Allen, who is starting quarterback for the Buffalo those obviously believe you with to Wyoming sect me if I'm wrong, But you know his early years, I mean, he was just you know, throwing his shoulder head down, you know, wanted to impose his

All right, Robert, before I said you loose, you know, a big game for Utah on Saturday, as we've discussed against Oklahoma State Vegas. Has Utah's the favorite to win the Big Twelve. The media have picked them to win the Big Twelve as well, the Robert Turmin tick. What has to happen generally speaking, for Utah to get this done, win the Big Twelve and go to the CFP.

How does it play out?

Yeah, no, it's a great question obviously. Are you asking about just this game against Oklahoma State of the Big Twelve in general?

The Big Twelve in general all seasons? Like, what has to happen for Utah to win the conference?

Yeah? Well, cam Rise is gonna have to stay healthy number one, because he is a really good he's a great playmaker.

He is.

That's gonna have to happen. Secondly, you know this running game this one two with Micai Bernard continue to be really really efficient. I mean, this is going to have to be the meat potatoes of their offense, you know, for them to have success control the clock and be able to play the type of offense that they want to. But this is all going to be about defense for me with Utah if they want to continue to if

All right, man, well good stuff. You want to call this weekend? Where can our listeners go find you?

Coming up at?

You know what?

I'm actually off this weekend and my son is turning eight. So we've got a dragon Ball the themed birthday party going on on Saturday. So I'll be doing the dad thing this weekend, but the following week I will be in Wyoming. Speaking of Wyoming, they'll take on Air Force at home and I'll be on the call for that one.

Well, enjoy the dad stuff. I'm telling you.

Mine just turned twenty three, Roberts, so you're gonna blink and he's gonna be out of the house.

So enjoy while you.

Can, all right, I will. That's great advice, all right.

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