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the first night. Yeah, with really and we use the word chaos, but that's that's kind of where we're living right now. We're living in that where with these teams with multiple picks and there should we back up? Should we make the picks? You know? And I think that's where, like I said, last night, very very late, I said, I gotta hang up. I'm hey, good luck tomorrow. Hope all the tags glow for you, Hope you find your Pro Bowl guys. But that's kind of where we are

right now. Being a radio guy, always root for chaos, you know, storylines a mess, and it feels like this draft has like lack like your big sexy names in terms of the studs, but that's created a lot more uncertainty. Uh and and I feel like, if you're a team, where's the s we eat spot in this thing? A

lot of people are talking about mid rounds. This morning, I said, are you a little disappointed if you're Jacksonville or you're Detroit and you don't have your Trevor Lawrence or you're Andrew Luck if you're the Where the Cowboys sit in relation to the sweet spot in this draft? Bobby with supposedly fourteen or fifteen guys as first round grades. Yeah, I think they're in a bit of a tough spot in the first round. Like, I don't know that the

values necessarily going to be there. I think that's why you've started to hear chatter about do they want to look to go up? Do they want to try and trade up. That's why Jerry is very publicly talked about like, yeah, i'd be interesting going up because we're so far back.

But you know, Steven said it the other day, third through fifth round that's gonna be, you know, kind of a real deep I think they're gonna find a lot of value there, and so they're fortunate to have what four fifth round picks, and so they've got all those fifth round picks, they're in a good spot in the third and fourth round. I just I'll be interested to see.

The thing I keep wondering about about trading up is do they look at this as it's so deep in the middle, and like Stephen had talked about thin at the top and the first thin in the second, do they view that second round pick as just we can stand to sacrifice that to get the value right in the first and then we'll coast and third, fourth, fifth, Yeah, I kind of feel like that's why you've heard the rumors about a Tyler Smith from Tulsa as being a

possibility at twenty four, because all of a sudden, it's like you're thinking, when you're picking at the bottom of the board, you're like, we're not going to get this guy when we come back to fifty six. So sometimes you have to think of a little bit more of a way of like, maybe we've got to grab this guy now because if we don't, we're just not going

to get him. And I get having that mindset in the later days of a draft, but is it too early to do that at twenty four, because I feel like that's where a lot of the nervous energy around the Star lies right now, is with the prospect that you feel like you're reaching on but it's still a first round pick. Yeah, that's the thing where you you worry. But we call it reaching to those guys and gals in those rooms, that's their guy, you know, that's where you know, and we'll talk about it and we'll be

happy or we'll be disappointed, or we'll be whatever. You know, and then and then you know. But I think that our listening audience too, when we started talking about the name of a guy like a Tyler Smith that they where everybody was like, no, no, we're not you know, let's do something else. But to them, they see a big, athletic guy that's got a lot of traits. But it might be like Bobby's talked about really on one oh five three has been Hey, no, this is a guy

that's a second round guy. Let's be honest. They're going to take a second round guy to nine on their board. Yeah, but they took but but then, but then think about think about the draft with Travis Frederick when we were all sitting in here and going, man, that was a third round grade. Yeah, that was a third round grade on our board. But now then he turns into like

an all pro player. The funny thing too, is, and I fall victim to this every year, is like the snowball kind of starts and it turns into an avalanche of just everybody thinking the same because that's what happens, and there's so much information. We don't have that with Zach Rivy too. But Brian, it's it's a great example. If I'm if I'm not mistaken, you have a second round grade on Zion Johnson, don't you. Yeah, I do, actually him and Green both, and I've got a Green

above Johnson. So it's funny to me, and we led the show with this, is like there's maybe a dozen guys that you feel rock solid about and then the rest it's just beauties in the eye of the beholder. And so that could be Tyler Smith, that could be Zion Johnson, that could be you know, I think most teams probably have a second round grade on a guy like Trail and Burke's who's widely seen as like that would be a good pick. But I just it feels like there's like fifty names that sort of makes sense

in that range that we're talking about. I mean, I think, you know, we've talked in the past about you guys narrowed it down really effectively. Layton vander Ess was going to be the pick. Narrowed it down really effectively. Tristan Hill was going to be the pick. I legitimately, I was sitting here earlier this afternoon. Star Yeah, yeah, An, I need a pushy coach to come in here today

to narrow this down for us. But I was looking at it, and I think I legitimately could say there's seven names I feel like could be the first round pick, maybe more. But like like that's the kind of the spot here because it's like do they go up, do they go back? Do they stampat? We don't know what

happens ahead of them. I think that's part of the reason for a lot of the the you know, uncertain and see about what goes on ahead of them is because I think the cowboys are looking at this is like this is the wild West in front of us too, Like we don't totally know what's gonna happen here. Guy. That goes back to what Sean was talking about earlier.

There's not those big names in this draft, and the names ten through sixty or so interchangeable that the teams from eleven on down to the Cowboys at twenty four are gonna shape the way the Cowboys look at their board whenever it comes up. It's one of those trust the tape, trust your board. Right now, we're hearing those names, the Zion Johnson's, the Kenyon Greens, the Tyler Smiths as

the names they like on that board. But whether or not they're even there is going to be the biggest question because there is so much chaos that's gonna happen. And if you're rooting for chaos, Sean, which you said you were, Yes, I think you're in for a lot of at night tonight, Kyle Yeoman's David Helman, Brian brought us, Bobby Thought. I'm Sean Shreef here opening up our twenty twenty two NFL Draft coverage on one oh five through the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Let's go around

the room with your own personal wish list. Well, you want to do wish list or position and need which one you want to start off with? Yeah? I think that I think that if you if you ask me, I'll go with the player you know, and I have Green above Johnson. But you know, we'll see I believe in those tags are touching there. They could flip this saying I think the guy that will most likely be there will be Green because I think of some of

the medical concerns. You know, people will talk about the knee. It's nothing like you know that's going to should keep him from getting drafted, but you know there's something there with the meniscus that they're going to have to continue to monitor. So but to me, I'd like to see them fix this offensive line, and I think adding either Green or Zion Johnson. I would really love them to

draft Tyler Lindebom, the center from Iowa. But the fact that Bobby Belt has been kind of reporting that maybe that Zion Johnson's going to be the center or could be a projected center. Yeah, So then to me, taking one of those offensive linemen I think is the right

thing to do. I mean there's two sides. There's like there's reckless me and then there's pragmatically, like if both your reckless wide receiver, if you're asking for my wish list, I just think the positions that I've other than like the really beastly guys that the Cowboys have no shot at your sauce gardener, your your Cavon Thibadeau. I think the value in the first round is at receiver. Like I can talk myself in any of those guys that if I could draw, just wave a magic wand. I

think I've said this on the Draft Show. If I could wave a magic wand and have a guy on this team, it would be Jamison Williams. Now if I could just happened that number one wide receiver, so if I'd appreciate that, I think he's tire you kill all over again? Wow? Yeah, No, I mean I do that. That speed is rare even among NFL receivers um and I think he'll be ready for training camp. So do

I think that'll happen? No, Unfortunately, do we worry a little bit about this team even with they had the three wide receivers they had last year and they didn't have it halfway through the season. They had the production, But do you worry about adding another wide receiver and not being able to run the ball or block effectively

as you needed to? And that's where the press. The ragmatic Dave comes in and he's like, well, Kenyan Green played every position on the O line in the SEC and maybe you just fix that and doesn't matter how fast Jamison Williams is that if Dak Prescott's getting sacked five times. So I'm totally on board with that line

of thinking. And I'm going to go all the way back to one of the first draft shows that we had throughout this offseason, and Brian brought up the point that if you're not doing something to help your quarterback be successful, then I don't want to even talk about it. And sure, having Jamison Wilson or Williams, excuse me, we'll

have a certain impact on Dak Prescott. But I don't know if you're fixing the offensive line could necessarily say that that that's lesser than Jamison Williams are hating having another wide receiver. You've got a block, you've got to establish a run game, because if you don't, I think Dak Prescott's in the same boat that he was in twenty twenty. I totally get it. It's just not fun. That's not fun. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. I was gonna say it'll be fun when they're rushing for

one hundred and eighty yards. Again, the depth is a receiver and ed. So to me go sacrifice that second round pick, go up and get one of the linemen. Get a lineman who's worth the first round pick, make it Penning Cross whoever. I don't care whichever one slides into territory. That you can use that second to go up. Do it. Then use the third and fourth on the

receivers and the ad dressers. The point you made about ten minutes ago, I hadn't considered, and I kind of love it because I'm Brian you we've done this however many years together. I'm I want my picks, I want my throws at the dartboard. But I don't want me

to call you a coward. But but if you don't feel good about the depth in the second round, and I've run so many mocks this spring where you get your receiver in the first and then you're like, oh, I don't love any of these guards in the second, or you get your guard in the first and you're like, oh, it's it's between an FCS guy and a five eight guy at fifty six. Like what am I supposed to

do here. Yeah, maybe you do just get rid of that pick and go get a badass, because there will still be depth in the round three, four, and you got plenty of picks in round five. Maybe that is a conceivable. I think Bobby might be hearing the same thing I am that if you're trying to get into the say that spot, Bobby ten eleven twelve, Yeah, it's gonna cost you fifty six, ye, but anything behind that might cost you the third and something else if you

want to go up more seventeen twenty. Look at look at Chargers. There the second picks for the Saints and the Eagles, and then you've got the Steelers. Then you know, I think you could potentially get up in that territory

for the third. And they they've practiced that, they've gone through these mocks, they've done every scenario they could potentially think of in that war room, and a couple of times at least through things that we've heard is that they've gone up and they feel like they've been wiped out at the same time. So that's a thing that I think you need to keep an eye on. It's

got to be the right player. Bobby's mentioned a couple of the names, Trevor Pinning out of northern Iowa, Charles Cross out of Mississippi State, and I think even a Cavon Thibadeau. I don't think that's as likely as the other two. But if he were to somehow slip and get outside that top ten, that's when I think the Cowboys would get on the phone. It wouldn't necessarily be just for anybody. It would have to be one of those specific guys. And of course there's a lot of

uncertainty up tops. So let's go around the best of the league. What's going to happen at one? We got the a lot of NFC East activity above us as well. We are just getting started. Thank you for joining us. It's the twenty twenty two NFL Draft from Ford Center at the Star on one oh five, through the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot com. And if you're still with us, yeah, we are back on this tradition. And I mean, if

you listen to it before, you're familiar with it. Now that you're a you're our private friends here yet dot com you guys get like an ivy rolled in here, like no commercial breaks like this is going We're talking you're talking to folks of Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Right, I have fomo. I always have fomo on day two in day three because I sit at home and I put on the computer to this, I feel like I'm in the big fancy room right now and uh me and Bobby are getting initiated. So the pomo has gone

now for day one. Happy to have you, man. That's the thing about it, too, is is you guys have been around, even on the airwaves, longer than I have at the same time, so like getting to actually work with you guys is good. It's fun for me. I feel the same way getting to work with you guys for the first time as I did when I first worked with brought uson helmet. Wait and see how it goes. Yeah, starts yelling at you about stuff like we're got to

start getting a little moody. See how Sean's gonna look over at me and be like, we gotta go to break. I'm I'm gonna be hungry, Sean's gonna be off schedule, and Brian's gonna be mad about some pick like Brian's stewing that n I've got two pins to throw now. I think you might need more. No, but guy that Brian loves is gonna slip, and Brian's just gonna be like, am I an idiot? Like like why do I even do this? As soon as we came back from the stream the the it dawned on me I should have

chugged that energy drink at about five fifty eight. Yeah, I'm gonna be real honest. I almost had a coughing fit when we went right on the air. I looked at Dave like, I'm gonna stake Dave's bottle and go over. That's what I thought you were telling me. Is there another bottle of water right down there? Body channel? We can stuck out one. Yeah, we can ask somebody please get service. Sean Sean again pulling back the curtain. Here

are you folks that are listening? Uh? Literally, Sean was going on air and all of a sudden I had a choking fit here. So, yes, thank you very much. I thought you were telling me that this was like not sponsor approved, That's what I've always happening. I was like, oh God, but no. But but like you said, we were thinking cash, right, Is everybody thinking cash in this room a little bit? Or are we just are we overselling?

Like the greatest example of chaos to me, like we we all have you know, been friendly with Dane Brugler for a number of years and know how plugged in he is seeing Dane and his his mock talk about that he's heard that like some chatter that the Texans could go Garrett Wilson as high as three. Yeah, Like, wow, Lee, if if they did that, if they wanted to throw the seas, I feel like that's gonna be stingy at the seed that. Yeah, me too, feel like we're settling

into the top three four about now. That's that's the problem that I had last night when I got when I was talking to Houston and Jets and Giants and Pep and all those pics are right there with each other and they're trying to figure out what each other's gonna do. And it's it's fascinating to listen to them. Because the Texans, I think, if you're gonna try and go get a wide receiver, you know, maybe you go up to the Texans. They're hunting a wide receiver too. Yep,

they might not let you in. You know, Texans need everything. The Texans are bad football team. Yeah, does this draft flack studs? Yes, the funny I mean the answer is yes. But also guys are gonna make the Pro Bowl out of this draft and all the fames. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I mean when you look at it now as the evaluation now, but I mean you could have said some people would have argued last year Micah Parsons wasn't a stud like there would have been people last or to try to claim that, and then he went out there and he was, you know, arguably a top three defensive player in the NFL last year. But when we're talking all these offensive linemen and receivers and I want to get this from you guys later. Are you

giving me a Justin Jefferson in this class. Are you giving me a Tyrant Smith? Are you giving me Zach Martin? Or what are we talking about in terms of ceiling for some of these positions that are really really deep that the Cowboys maybe taking advantage of. So we'll get into all of that. Thank you for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com crew. That was our first segment and we're

about to have this for the next five hours. Yes, it does, announcer man Sean Sharife Cowboys insider Bobby belt our lead Scott Brian brought us David Hellman and Kyle Yeoman's from Dallas Cowboys dot Com from Forward Center at the Star. Let's go around the rest of the NFL and let's let's just go to the very top on what's being said, because all of a sudden, Aidan Hutchinson has been taken out of the number one spot by all the casinos. Who a lot of times they really

know what Nobody appreciates gambling odds more than you. Well, my co host, I want to find you listen that every morning. But you know, a lot of times they tell us the truth on what's happening. Yeah, more often than not. I would say, like I've followed Vegas on everything in my opinion, like, yeah, I think that. To me, this is what trimp Balky, the general manager with Jacksonville,

has really got one foot in the parking lot. And I'm saying that in a way of you know, the the rise of Walker defensive end from Georgia has been amazing to me and me he was in the second round in December on a lot of models, and that's what I'm saying it. With Dallas at twenty four. The next now he's at the middle of the board and now he's one of the top two players. And you but you talk to people and it's like, no, no,

no Ah, along we had this guy. You you media scouts were laid on this one, and I'm like, oh, okay, you know. And that's the thing I think that when you talk about, like I say, a trip Balky in Jacksonville, and if you know you're gonna get fired, take the

guy you want to take. You know, convince everybody that you're right, because if you're wrong, if he turns out to be a bust or he turns out to be just an okay player, then you're gonna be in a situation where they're gonna let you go and it's gonna be somebody else's problem. Who is the best player on everybody's board, Kyle, who's your best player in this whole thing? I've got kvon Thibadeau as still number one. I didn't necessarily give in to the off the field, the ego,

that kind of thing. I think when I look at the tape and I see and it kind of goes back to learning from Brian brought us across the table from me, I see a star at the NFL level, and I say the same thing with Aidan Hutchinson. He's closely in that second spot. And then I've got Treyvon Walker right there as well as three of the top five players on my board are go to edge rushers at the top. And with a premium position like that, I don't think you could necessarily pass up on it.

But Brian brings up a great point. You don't want to rely on other people's opinions to value or two. I would rather be runs your decision in your future. Yeah, go get your guy. If their guy is Treyvon Walker as the Jacksonville Jaguars, then make the pick. Go go get it done. It's just it provides a little bit more of that chaos we've been talking. Yeah, you do you Doug Peterson clearly. I mean Doug wants the offensive

tackle we Kuangwu. I mean that's what he wants. He's got a quarterback he's got to try and protect, you know, his job depending on how that kid plays. Yeah, so you know he's thinking about, well, I need I need blockers here, you know, And the scouts are like scouts will always side on Safe. It happened here in Dallas.

You know if you look at it the corners last year, you know, with Sir Tan and you talked to the scout and they'll say, answer, Tan, Steady Safe played a lot of game coaches, give me horn, give me, give me the guy who's over, give me the guy who plays like his hairs on fire, turnovers, you know all that stuff. So yeah, I mean you could see in Jacksonville with the scouts are talking about Hudgets Hutchison, and then everybody else is talking about somebody else. Who's the

best player, Dane. Oh sorry, Dave. I wish I was. I wish I had that many scouting reports. It's I thought I was about to sound super smart, but Kyle took it right out of my mouth. Honestly, if I, well, okay, if if I in a vacuum had the number one pick, I would take Thibodeau. I think people are overthinking this thing. I think he's a freak. I have not heard all this stupid whispering about this dude's personality or whatever his

issue is. I have not heard anything convincing as to why he should fall further than certainly the top three. What are the knocks that literally, like basically people are just vaguely like, oh, he's sort of a jerk, like he's kind of a diva. I'm like, so what, he's a pro football player when we see as an ego. When we were at the combine, Dane put it beautifully. He said, whenever you get Dave interviews, Dane, it was

this time. Dane put it as when you have these interviews with with Cabon Thibodeau, you have to pull up one seat for Tibadeau, then you got to pull up another one for his ego. That That was the way he put it blatantly. Isn't that what you want from a franchise changing grade? See, that's the thing you people. I mean, I think a lot of people feel like Sauce is the same energy. So you see what he rolled up to the draft. It's not just it's not no,

I didn't he called himself to chosen one today. It's it's it's not just the ego. I don't think I think that will of view him as he's a little bit emotionally explosive, then that he's a culture question there on that front, and then I don't want to get too deep into what it. But I mean there's always there's been chattered about some of his circle, which and

some of the people he keeps around. And I'm not taking a shot at you, but that's my point is like all all you can really get with this guy's like vague platitudes of why oh well, there are some kind of like tell me something, I'll text you it. I don't say it to no microphone, but I'll text you. I'll say this though, there might be if you can give me something that's legitimately concerning, I'm listening. But otherwise

he's a stud. I agree on the Thibodeau part of it, though, but I will say three of you have Tibodeau, yes, but I have Gardeners my number two. If you just if you wanted my top five, I said, Thibadeau, Gardner, Cross, Hutchinson, those are my top five. I will say this if I if I was in Jacksonville right now, if I if I was making the call for them, I would draft whichever tackle you like that. I don't care, but euan Neil, I would draft them because they just signed

Cam Robinson. I don't care if they got Brandon Sure if too. Give Trevor Lawrence the best offensive line in football and see what he can do. That's what I would do. John Ogden played guard before he played tackle. And you know that, John, because you lived in that part of the world. Yeah, you know. So don't tell me these guys can't. You can't go get the best guy and play him somewhere else and then move him

to where you have to move him. But I think the thing with Thibodeau, and this is what's going to happen, because next year, when we're doing this all together, it's going to be like we're gonna be talking about a bunch of Thibodeaus. They care about their ego and they care about their These players are going to start getting paid or to play football in college. Yeah, it's going to be about brands. It's going to be about flash, it's going to be about product placement and all that stuff.

Are we going to say, oh, well this guy next year, Oh he really doesn't like football. No, we're saying that because maybe this guy might be a little bit of a jerk. And yeah, you're right, Bobby. Maybe there's people that you know at Oregon will tell you though, well, hey man, this guy is kind of like he doesn't want to play all the time. He doesn't want to He's a little bit like, hey, i'd shut it down or something like that. I guarantee you're about to say

something like that. Yeah, I mean that was one of the things you're about. Two three times this year had told people at Oregon, I'm opting out after something had gone wrong. Yeah, he got hurt. He told them he was opting out. They lost to Stanford. He told him he was opting out. Like there's a little bit of a emotional volatiler stations about our guy Derek Stingley, just

for whatever that's worth. Yeah, there were some of that with Mica too, not to that severity, but that when we see guys go up and mosey up to the podium in mink coats or cut off shirts or they're bedazzled or whatever. The kids are saying. Yeah, I could say that that's ego. I could say that that's why it's got to run deeper. Yeah, it's got to run. Do you think do you think it's legit concerns on Tipodeaux.

I think there's some things around him. Like I said, I don't know so much that there are things about him, his ego, everything else like that. Again, the emotional volatility, wondering how does that fit into a locker room? How coachable is he? That's another thing about the ego there is that it's not just an ego like outside, but it's also an go in terms of are you gonna be able to be coached? Are we gonna be able to like work on some of these things with you?

Because I know that the general consensus from people I talked around the NFL is that Thibodeau is not a finished product, that there's still a lot raw about him that they that will need to be coached out of him. And so if that's difficult, it's gonna be tough. All right, Let's move off of him and go to some of the other guys that you absolutely love. Kyle, who are you in love with? At the top of this board, I mean Ikey Aquanu, NC State offensive tackle. He's my

top offensive tackle. I mean, he's just a mean streak. He was the biggest bully in college football. Is one of the things that I put on my notes about him. I think he's a plugin play instant decade of success at the tackle spot. Other guys. We mentioned Sauce Garden

around at Cincinnati cornerback. I know for a fact that he is the cowboys top corner now, not very much so in their realm, and nor will he fall, at least not anticipated to fall past that five six seven spot to where they would even have a chance to go up and get him. Other names up there, Kyle Hamilton's safety out of Notre Dame flies around the field sideline to sideline sort of guy. And then Derek Stingley Junior from LSU, along with the edge rushers that I

mentioned earlier. That's almost my entire top five or top ten. Who do you love, Dave? I think, well, I think that's going back to what we were talking about the beginning. It feels like there's like eight to ten names that everybody agrees are kind of a cut above the rest, right, and then like once you get past, I'll just throw Drake London out there as like the tenth or eleventh guy. That's when all hell breaks loose. So like I think

Kyle set it up perfectly. I already said it, so I'll be brief, but like I freaking love Jamison Williams. I love the guy. I mean, and he's not just fast, Like we're not talking about who was the kid that Oakland drafted Darius Heyward Bay, We're ain't talking about that. Like he can run routes, he can go inside outside, like he can be physical. He's not like the biggest receiver in the world, but he can do whatever you need him to on top of being fast as hell.

Does the injury worre you know, an Acs' twenty two to throw it out there as the same thing. We're living in a world where Cam Akers can tear his achilles at minicamp and be ready for the playoffs, Like, absolutely not. I'm not worried about it brought us. Who else is on the top of your board Devin Lloyd,

linebacker from Utah. And I'm thinking about this as a sixty three, two hundred and thirty seven pounds And you talk to scouts, Skis and Gallis around the league, They'll tell you this might be the closest thing to Michael Parsons in this draft because you talk about a guy that can finish, you talk about a guy and he might play past defense better than Michael Parsons did. So I kind of feel like, though that whoever drafts Devin Lloyd keep an eye on New England at twenty one.

That would be one of those ones where I would go, they understand the player, so I and I mean Kyle's reference from there. But I think there's just been a stunning lack of discussion in the last couple of months about Kyle Hamilton. Yep, Kyle Hamilton to be it. And I know people didn't like, Oh, he ran a four seven at Pro Day, and well, I think that's your aunts and there were some bad hap Well he ran a four or five nine, and the reason he ran

a four seven was bad habits. He went home, apparently and just diddled too much fun in Atlanta. I don't even know this funny just didn't work. He didn't he didn't go to work. And so that's that's a concerning thing. You don't love hear him. But to me, I think just when I watched his tape, you watch him against Florida State, you watch some of the stuff he does,

it's he's so instinctual. I think against the run, I think that even though there are questions about the way he can cover, I think that he's he's really good at seeing things a step ahead of everybody else, even in coverage at times. And so I love Kyle Hamilton. That's a guy that I would absolutely feel fine if I was the Cowboys, if they were up there picking him the top five, That's who I'd want would be Kyle Hamilton. How much has positional value impacted y'all's view

and scouting on all of this? We just talked about a linebacker, which there was a lot of angry people last year over Michael Parsons the Cowboys. I don't even think knew he could rush the pastor like that dan Quinn. Dan Quinn got that out of him, for sure. Yeah, but the people there's people in the organization and a George Edwards, the linebackers coach, I asked him that question. He's like, he goes, no, we knew this guy had that ability. Yeah, And I'm like, man, he didn't even

play last year, right, how did you know that? But you're talking about linebacker? Bobby said, he's stunned at the you know, the lack of talk about Hamilton. He's a safety, right see all the and I think Hamilton's a great example though, And you're you're absolutely right, and that was not to like, like, my first immediate question is can

Hamiltons cover? Yeah, I think he can. I think you can't see I think I think because if there's a question, then you know, I think Dax's Hill, the Michigan safety, can cover better. How about that? Because then if he can't, if that, if he's not a plus there, then you know, I think Jamal Adams and let's let's move along. See.

I think j Hamilton is a great example. I think Hamilton is like where football is going because, like I just I kind of feel like that Hamilton was when I was starting to draft in the early nineties, that big bang yeah, like the side look at all the stuf Taylor maze usc way back in the day. I mean, we're not We're not talking about a guy and I think he can do some of this, But we're not talking about Ed Reid, who's gonna be like off the screen on tape. You remember playing listen to me, you

repeat your stories a lot. We're not talking about while we're talking. We're talking and this is gonna sound silly because he was a seventh round pick, but we're talking about jay Ron Curse. Like we're talking about a guy who can do some cover. He can play in the slot. These tight ends are getting bigger and more athletic and getting more of a part of the passing game. You can go down in the box and take that guy away, like that's what you use a Kyle ham Don't you

look at don't you look like? We will told the story with you guys after they picked Tony Pollard that there was a specific run in the Senior Bowl where they saw it, and they go like there is, yeah, and like they can see some of those things and there are moments where you see it. To me, it's like when you talk about Hamilton's like, yeah, is it always consistent coverage? No? You know, can he play center

field like Ed Reid? No? But the play I go back to is he's on the opposite hash against Florida State. They're rolling out and he just comes out of nowhere to the opposite sideline and just jumps in front of the receiver. That was. That's as good as any free safety. You see him play a lot of slot. You do see him play a lot of the spot, But I don't know if you want to put him in the slot against NFL guys, put him in the slot against who though, like put him in the slot against the

tiny little slot. That's what I'm saying again, Okay, Kelsey, but we say what we've seen with these slot players over the you know, over the years now here, I mean, how effective the slot players. I'm not trying to kill the kid. I'm just saying, though, there's things you see him do at Notre Dame when he's playing Virginia in Virginia Tech and people like that. You're like, oh, that's pretty damn impressive. You know, he moves well for a six four guy. He really really, really really does. He's

a physical player. He's a great tackler, I think. But you know, it's funny you say that about Curse. We were all like, oh, here's another one of those cowboys signings. You know, it's a safety Clinton Dicks, Oh you know, all that stuff like that. You know, That's what I'm saying. I mean, we were we weren't given curse. Dan Quinn. If you tell me you're gonna take if you're gonna take this Notre Dame safety and you're gonna and you're

gonna play them, I'm saying, yaya. Because of dan Quinn, anybody else might Nolan, I might be going, WHOA would you just do? But there are Covin after Kelvin, Joseph and Nasham, right, I think you know what? I think they knew about the plan. No, no, no, I no, no, I'm joking half what I'm saying though, as far as how about this they were thinking about at this time last year, drafted a cornerback? I mentioned sir Tann and Horn even though they had all three of these starters.

And now we're not really talking about drafting a corner here, are we, because everybody's like, whoa. Dan Quinn made these guys play a lot better than they are. Tray Bon Digg's taking a step and having eleven interception certainly helped that conversation. Yeah, dan Quinn and those guys putting them in position to make plays. I just think to go back to the original question, what scares me about Burks?

They are like the money. I love Burks more than anybody else does, too, Yeah, because I got to make him do what you need to do. They are like these positions where you only need to be good at one thing to be good like edge rusher, quarterback obviously cornerback. You're like go out to the boundary and just take care of that guy. If you're not one of those safety linebacker, you got to be able to do a

bunch of stuff. And that's what scared us about Mica is like, is he just gonna tackle people that's not valuable? But that's not all he does, and I feel the same way about him. I'm not sure if everyone's aware, but a lot of Cowboy fans are a little bit irritated over this offseason and people think Stephen Jones has turned into the number one sports villain in town. And the question has become have they put too much pressure on the guy running this show that starts tonight? We'll

answer that question next. Is there too much pressure on Will McClay. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one O five Through the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. What up, Dallas Cowboys dot Com crew, we are still here. Sean Shariffe, Kyle Yeoman's, Dave helm and Brian brought us some Bobby Belt. I want to ask you guys about opinions changing. Yeah, should they change? When do they change? Because we're talking about Thibadeau. He was the number one pick and now he's twelve. We're talking

about Walker. He was in the second round and now he's the number one pick. So, Brian, you've lived this, Yeah, when does it change? What changes and influences you in terms of and then you say I should have just

stuck with that original fie. No, No, this is where And I appreciate Kyle bringing this up though, because I think that if you you know, tonight, people were asking me because I had I post my board and I don't know how to do the Google thing all that you can go on my Twitter and you know, I don't know how to do all that crap you can ask us. But but well I'll help, You'll just sound to do it. But but but see he's pitching baseball

right now in Houston talking. But see that That's where I'm at right now, because people are like, well, you didn't have didn't have Johnson here, you didn't have this guy. You didn't have this guy. And I said, that's my board. I'm proud of my work, you know. I mean, I think that's where you have to be right now. Now. See we're doing it as individuals them. There's a lot of things, you know, there's a lot of that what we think that group group think, and that's what you

get a team like the Rams. The Rams aren't interested in group think anymore. When I was a scout back in the day, we were interested in group think. Oh, let's all get together and put our name on this and put them up on the board. You know. That's that's what we're That's what we did in the nineties, you know, And I think today we're kind of been a little bit more. But there's teams like say, Will McClay. He's got a tough job where he's got to manage

the coaches, the scouts, and the Joneses. There's nobody else in the league that has to do what he does. And I know we're going to talk about that in the next segment, but I think that I think if you're gonna do this, you know, and you don't have to like just follow along the group. Yeah, if you've got four or five, six, eight nine guys, people will remind you if you suck at this, you do it long enough, they'll remind you of all your busts a lot.

Your owner will say it in a press conference prior to the draft. Sure, Dave, what changes for you having done this for a number of years now, and at what time when you're like, this should be the cutoff point. I'm sticking with. I'm sticking with what I what I saw, Oh I heard, well, so see that this is the this is they're tweeting about this, that the late influence is getting in your head. This is the debate that I have all the time with guys like Brian and

and other people that do this. Is like, I try to remove my own opinion from it because, like you know, Brian's Brian stakes his reputation on this, where he's like, this is what I think, whereas I'm more along, I'm more of the opinion of like what I think does not matter. It doesn't. I don't care it does matter. It does. It doesn't though, because they're gonna sit up there and make their pick, and they've never once in a decade asked me what I thought. I'm waiting. I'm

waiting for that day. But it allows us to judge you not fine. I know they may have been twenty twenty. You wanted Ceedee Lamb as much as anybody I think everyone in the world wanted. They may have asked you that yet, but she didn't get a chance to you know what I'm talking about it a story here or a leaked rumor there. What's so, it's funny the way the ebbs and flows of this thing work, man, Because I did say that, like late influence can can be

a bummer sometimes. But also these last three days before the draft, that's when people start saying the juicy stuff too. Like again, I mean, yeah, Tyler Smith is not um that ain't bs like that is something that's a name too, at least no, a possible cowboy, yes, And nobody was on that until earlier this week, or at least not I've seen his name actually on Twitter. People were asking me because people were mocking that, you know, and like mel Kiper and those guys mocking that the mel Kipers

of the world don't do stuff on a whim. Not a week before in the draft, no, not in a word, Who was it? Josh Norris shout out he got seventeen picks right last year. You think that's blind luck or do you think it's having a good network of contact. I will say I brought up Tyler Smith based off of stuff that I was hearing in Indie because I did hear something in Indie and you can go back and listen to it on the on the Draft show.

We're sitting there in the radio row and there was a moment when I brought up Tyler Smith the Dane, and that's when Dane initially was like, man, I just don't I don't know, like and that's where we kind of had our conversation, talked about him as a second round prospect, but at twenty four, at that point we felt like it was too rich. I still feel that way to a certain extent for me, But it goes back to what Brian was saying in our opening segment.

Just because you have him as a second round grade at thirty thirty five, whatever, doesn't mean you can't take him at twenty four. Because if you can't, if you don't take him at twenty four, you're not gonna see him last until fifty six. And also, to the point we made earlier, Brian's forty five could be there twenty two, you know, I mean, there's no way to know. All right, Thank you to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We're gonna be here all night long, no commercial breaks with the coverage.

As we get closer to Roger Goodell getting booed in Vegas. Sean Sharife Cowboys inside our Bobby Belt, we got David Helman and Kyle Yelman's from Dallas Cowboys dot Com and our leads scal from one oh five through the fan Brian brought us let's go back to the Cowboys before we get Jacksonville on the clock. This in eleven years of doing radio here and as a part of this team to the Cowboys Network, this is easily the most irate the fan base has been in the off season.

We're used to them not spending. I know that's a national narrative. Julry wants this. Let's go gamble, and we know that Steven maybe a little bit more in control, but compensation from Maury Cooper, Leo Collins rolling out the door, bringing in some no names, the Randy Gregory debacle, the two for ones that are supposed to be better than Randy. According to Jerry the other day, Bobby Belt, where are we? Where are we, mister Cowboys insider with this Cowboys offseason?

And is the question fair that this team is putting way too much pressure on Will McClay to continue to hit home run draft picks I mean, does will feel that way. I don't know. Do they feel that way? I don't know, But just from my perspective when I look at it's like, that's a lot you're putting on them consistently every year of like we'll go bargain bin shop and maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but you know that we can trust that our scout and

stuff do that. It's a it's a great compliment to them, and it's it's a vote of confidence in them. And I'm sure that's great, but it is a lot of pressure to go, man, especially in a draft like this where you don't feel like there's going to be a first round necessarily right where you're picking, and then you have to weigh like, well, how much do you want to sacrifice? Some want to give up? When I when I've been talking about some of these calls about do

they give up a second? Do they give up a third? You know, I've heard chatter about that that they could go up. Somebody around the league who's very connected had reached out to me today it was like, I don't see really anybody giving up a second or a third unless they are going up for elite because in this draft like, that's where everybody wants their picks right now, second, third, fourth, fifth. They don't want to they don't want to move around

the first. That's why nobody's trying to go up right now. And so I think it's gonna be really tough for the fan base to, you know, feel great about where things are after this weekend, just because there's no studs at the top. No matter what they do, there's going to be a section of the fan base that's going to be upset with it, and it's gonna complain about it because well, you didn't get a lineman or oh you you trade it up to get this, and you

sacrifice this and we have too many holes. People are going to be upset regardless. But yeah, there they're in a very frustrated state, the most fresh night I can recall them being in several years. The fan base, you guys live in this building. Do you think that Will McClay can keep going in for raises every off season based upon this formula? I mean, since twenty ten, no team in the NFL has had more all Pro draft

picks in the entire league than the Dallas Cowboys. The scary part about that is that since twenty ten, no team in the NFL has had more all pro draft picks, because at some point your luck runs out, right. I mean a lot of this is, yes, it's preparation, it's homework, it's being in the right spot at the right time in terms of a draft pick, but a lot of it is the players working out to your favor as well. And last year you felt like Micah Parsons fell in

your lap. That wasn't necessarily Hey, we're going into this drafting Micah Parsons. They made the adjustment, they made the pick, and ultimately he ends up being the defensive rookie of the year. That's not always going to happen. So, going back to what Bobby was saying a moment ago, if you're not adding that talent, you're not adding that supplemental free agency help. At some point along the way, that

pressure ultimately is going to force a crack. I don't want it to happen, of course, being in this building and working with the fantastic crew across the way, and they do a great job of drafting, don't get me wrong, But it's just the law of averages. At some point it will even out. You just don't want it to be sooner rather than later. That's that last part. Just cut that out and play it again, because that's Will. I think the world of Will's I say it every

every year. I beat it into the ground. He's one of my favorite people in this organization. As a guy, I think he's awesome at his job. The track record speaks for itself. He's been running the draft since fourteen. I mean put it up against anybody in the league. Firmly believe that he's had some stinkers too. He's got to wear taco He does he? Stephen did? He? Depends on who you asked earlier in the week. Hey, they

all have a hand in it. And so if even somebody with Will mcclay's track record can have that on his resume. Twenty nineteen class, I know they didn't have a first round pick, but other than Tony Pollard doesn't look wonderful. So it is possible for even somebody as great as they are at this to screw this up. And when you're not bringing talent into your roster any other way, short answer, Sean, Yes, they are putting way

too much pressure on their scouting. Most Pro Bowl players who said, since two thy since twenty ten coaching coaching. Think about that, Yeah, bringing in guys, bringing in talent. Ten years of Jason Garrett, ten years of trying to figure out Scott Lenahan and whoever else. You know, Give me ten years of Dan Quinn using these players, you know, gimme, gimme guys that, like I say, we learned a lot about this. We were begging for this defense to be

middle of the road. Yeah, top five scoring defense and all that stuff. They didn't. I mean, they added guys, they added they but they added you know, they added the defensive but basically the defensive player of the year. But think about that, Think about all those picks and how frustrated you might be if you're if you're a player personnel guy, and you're like, damn, I'm giving them players.

Why are we not having success? Yeah? You know, and it's you know, and I'm and will and him not going to point the finger at the coaches, but I will, I'll point the finger at those guys and say, listen, you wasted a lot of guys here. Garrett's on Twitter, and I'll be careful, I don't care, you know, but you know he has to look at that he got let go. You know, they gave him ten years here with a damn good roster, you know, and that you got to look at that, and we loved dan Quinn.

Now right, he loved dan Quinn because he's taken players and putting them in positions to make plays. I'll tell you another thing about this, Oh boy, I love it when he get nervous. No, what are you nervous about when you have job security? Yeah, we've talked about this on the Draft show. You're not going inhere. None of these guys are going anywhere. Will McClay is very happy

about being here. They're comfortable with Will McClay. Will mcclay's figured out how to marry the coaches with the Joneses with the scouts. Hard thing to do. They're he's not Will's not going. He's had opportunities, but you know, he's got family. But really, if you know, Jason Light at Tampa several years ago, but three years ago, two years ago, his butt was on the line. He gets Tom Brady in his lap, he's gonna get fired. My man, let's snead out there f them picks. He's talking to me

like Cruden's gonna come here and blow me out. Bro. You got you know, you got the wonder boy coach you know who doesn't really care about the draft. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes it's about those coaches. Sometimes it's about the people you bring in. You know, when you don't have security, you will do whatever you have to do to build your roster. That's somebody else's problem, Bro, I traded away all the first round picks for the next two years. Yeah, that's somebody else's deal. It doesn't

happen here. A lot of security here. I've said that a few times this year is and like that. They will never they would never admit this publicly. But I just wonder, are we allowed to talk like this in this building. I haven't done this before. Oh no, they're not afraid. We're not. They're not afraid. They'll let you go as you're fair. We might be, we might be team employees, but hey, they let us say it and be. Maybe we're not everybody's favorite employee because of it, but

that's okay. I got rid of me. Um No, I just behind closed doors. Like you hear it from the fan base all the time. They're not better on paper than they were last year, they are not. Dalton Schultz said that, yeah, there we go exactly, and one of the guys they brought back. I just wonder if behind closed doors they're like, that's okay. This like like we're good enough to win the East. We might not be a contender, but that's okay. We'll be in better cap

shape next year. We'll have more money. And again this is in their meetings, they're saying, we're gonna kill this draft. We're just we're gonna add three badasses. We'll win the East. Maybe we you know, we we we're not gonna take another step this year, but we can take steps in twenty three and twenty four. And they can't say that out loud because it would piss off their fans. But it's a very plausible idea to me that they feel

that way well. And McCarthy even said it to lead off the press conference the other day where he said, I think what you guys perceive our needs are and what we think our needs are is going to be different. And I think that when you look at I think they think they're I think no, I think they have I think they believe they've got a lot of the talent in place that they need. Yes, they need a starting an offensive linemen right now. They've talked very openly

about that. They probably need another receiver, they need some of these things. I think what they feel like, and part of this process has been about I think I think what they feel like they're missing in a lot of ways isn't always the talent. I think they're worried about the intangibles and the toughness and the leadership trade and I think they that's been part of this process. I think for them. I think that's why you've heard some of the ties that they love how tough Trerever

Penning is. They love the chip on his shoulder. I think I think that's part of this evaluation more so than maybe in years past. They're looking for toughness, they're looking for guys who have the intangibles, and they're also looking down the road as well, because you and Pinning being an example, Tyler Smith offensive tackle from Tulsa being

an example. Right now this day and age, at this point in the time, offensive tackle isn't the number one need for the Cowboys, But in two years it might be. Because in three years it might be, they might be in eight games, and you're exactly right. The tyrant Smith thing continues to hover over every season, and I think

they're tired of that to a certain extent. So if even if they do take a tackle this year, which I think Bobby's spot on with Pinning, and then of course you've heard the rumors with Smith, if they take a tackle, that's looking at maybe an interior fixed short term, and then you look long term into it being a potential tackle replacement moving into the future. They're trying to

think about it that way. I'm not saying it's the right pick, or at least I'm not saying I would make that pick, but they've got different thought processes going on across the building than we even do in this room. We're just not used to as a fan base a step backwards off season. It's always it's always usually treading water. If we're being on Yeah, well maybe Jerry sells it a little bit more than that, but this feels like

a legitimate step back off season. And I think, you know, people are angry that we're in the NFC East, whereas usually it's celebrated because it's like, oh, that allows them to get away with eleven and six, even though it could be a first round exit. That's what I'm saying is, you know, just looking at it, it's like, we can win the East with this roster. Yeah, absolutely they can

because these sucks. They felt like they were close last year too, which is adding to the frustration of the step back this year too, because you felt like you were there, you were on the doorstep. Now, of course the way that it ended doesn't necessarily look like that you had a long way to go, but from a roster on paper standpoint, you felt like you had what it took to take a sea I can out run. I think they felt like that way for a lot

of the season. I think by the end of the season, I think they felt like they had kind of gotten slapped in the face a little bit and like, oh, we're not quite where we thought we were. And I think that's why they weren't wanted to do a full rebuild. But I think they wanted to renovate. It's like fix up right parts of this That's a wonderful analogy. They're like,

they're trying to renovate it on the fly. They're like, let's shed some of these bad contracts, I mean, if you take it back to Jalen that they got rid of, like what three hefty contracts that they didn't want to have to deal with. Now, I don't think all of those decisions were I don't get why Lyle Collins doesn't need to be on this team right now, Like that's weird to me. And I go back to what Bobby was. I don't want I don't get Amari Cooper either, but

that's beside the point they shed the salary. Maybe those two things you're talking about though, when you're saying the front office just not happy with either guy, Yeah, we're a little bit hypocritical. Yeah, you know, we forget so when the playoffs start, well, not when the playoffs start. When the playoffs continue, we're all tweeting the same thing. Cowboys don't belong on the field with these guys. Cowboys will get smoked by Buffalo, Cowboys will get destroyed by

this team or that team. And then when they show us maybe in the off season, hey we aren't what we thought we were. Let's get rid of these guys. These aren't twenty million dollar players. Then we get mad about it. So I'm a hypocrite with it. But we didn't think that we were on that championship level in the playoffs. We're going on and maybe Jerry and Stephen were like, let's be really, maybe mid season you were.

That's oh, I was mid season. The team we watched in December and January just wasn't the one that I thought it was. And that's that's Zeke getting injured. That's the offensive line falling apart. That's Dak refuses to blame the calf injury, but something happened to him. He was not the same. Yeah, people look at me sideways when I say this, Like he was in the thick of the MVP race. Was he was in October Kyler Murray

and him. He was in the thick of There was an entire podcast on the Athletic after the Falcons game where it's like Dak Prescott is the MVP of the NFL. Robert May's and Nate Tice were like, are we crazy if we think Dak's the MVP? And that was a national conversation, and he wasn't that guy the second half of the season. Like I said, for whatever reason, I love the toughness point though from from Bobby because when

San Francisco walked down. Kyle Shannon was like talking smack before the playoff game, saying, we know that they don't want to handle our run game. And I was like, WHOA, You're not supposed to be saying that, like making headlines. And when Deebo Samuel and Trent Williams were walking down that tunnel groundling Kodak black just blaring on it, I was like, ohh And then on that first drive we all said oh oh, and they got smacked in the mouth in their own stadium. Yeah to I mean, to

a certain extent, that's what happened, and it happened. It wasn't just San Francisco that was the culmination. But you looked at throughout the year, Denver did it to him, Kansas City did it to him. They consistently we're getting out physical, and I think that's part of what they're

trying to change. I do, I just I can't. I can't let go of the notion like on paper, No, like I do, I think they are as good as Buffalo or Kansas City, of course not, but like Cincinnati, that Tampa team that ranged up by the end of the year, the ram the one had us even with the Rams throughout the year. It's like a fifty fifty coin flip. They had an all star roster too, though they were I mean, they were exceptionally good and they played the best. I think the Cowboys roster was good enough.

They just didn't play well enough for a variety of reason. All right, let's get this thing going. That was a good first hour. Yeah, can can we maintain? Can we increase? All right, let's do it. There we go one two, three team. Uh, let's get this thing going. With Roger Goodell getting booed at the podium, it's the twenty twenty two NFL Draft getting ready to get officially started on one oh five through the fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I gotta take this call real quick. Boys. All right, guys,

we continue on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Probably the longest that I've ever gone in a one hour draft built up without bringing up the most important position in all of sports. That would be the quarterbacks. Oh, you're not talking running back. I'm not talking running back. Kyle Kyle Gellman's Bobby Belt and Dave Hellman. How bad is this quarterback class? That's hard. We just laid out on that

right there. I have a personal interest in this. For those that don't know, I host a morning show on the Cowboys flagship, and my co host and my producer, Troy, who's is running our broadcast tie on the radio side. Uh, they have a humongous bet involving a shock caller that if no, if no quarterback goes in the top ten, one will get shocked. If one does go in the top ten, the other will get lit up. On our morning shows. Who's who's on side? R J says, Shoppy's

getting shock. A quarterback has to and will go top ten. I think Choppy's getting you do so Caroline at six? Will that determine it? We got a lot of we got a lot of teams in the top ten with quarterback needs. I think the Seattle technically could go there, but I don't think they will. They could, but yeah, I think the Panthers at six is probably the number one there. Giants just declined an option, but I don't know if they'll necessarily pull that trigger. You hearing anything

Bobby from around now? And I'm these quarterbacks when we talk about the quarterback class, I'm gonna be so I'm so different than everybody else just after watching him, like everybody loves Willis, and like I think everybody feels like best about Willis's upside, sure, and I think everybody else feels like, oh, you know, Kenny Pickett's about the safest of them all, like like you can get him in and he'll plug in and he'll be a decent starter

right away. To me, the two quarterbacks I like the most are Matt Carral from Old Miss, and I like way more than anybody else does. Apparently. I like Carson Strong at Nevada. I would I would like, I mean, if I was a team that needed a quarterback, I'd feel okay taking Strong in the top fifty. I think if Strong didn't have basically a reconstructed knee, he would be in this first round conversation. I'm right there with you. I think he is a great quarterback in black form,

gig and stand. Yeah, just get him a good offensive line. I think I might take Howell if I like had to bet on one of these guys beings like him. I think I like his athleticism, I like his toughness, and I just can't help but think about the fact that all of the talent on his team left a year before he did. Like, he had two running backs get drafted. He had some good receivers on that twenty twenty Carolina team. I just wonder if he just didn't have any help last year. I'm gonna chug my energy

drink now, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, we're on. We're on dot com. Nobody cares. Are we talking about quarterboard back? We are your specialty. Yeah, I'm so good at this. I actually have gotten better. I have gotten better. Loved Mames and Alan. I didn't, and I took a lot of grief. I got Picket and then I got Willis Corral and how But I got Willis Corral and how All in the second round. So you flipped on Corral. I thought he was your top. Yeah, I started to

kind of. I went back and I got some more tape. Yeah, And I really do love his toughness. I think there's there's something about his leadership is really really good. And I think guys gravitate towards him. I'll tell you what, I'm gutless because I should have put Willis ahead of Picket is what I should haven't either, though. Yeah, I think that I think that Willis is really, really, really good. I'll tell you what. The guy that everybody's liking is

our guy at Cincinna, Addie Ritter. I think everybody is starting to like, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the bottom of the first round. I could see Ritter in like the twenty five to thirty six. Let's make it happen. Willis is easily easily the most intriguing from a talent. He is electric. But the thing is, and I've like, I've heard this from people. I'm not I'm not guessing, like I just how quickly can he be ready to play NFL football? Do we not care?

Do we not care as much about who you face in college anymore? I mean, you know what, but heat his game against Old Miss if you want to watch Old Miss? And how because Liberty took some people to the matt did they? Virginia Tech was another one. I think that they were in a game like it was in Blacksburg that where they were just tote toe. This kid was a transfer from Auburn, so you knew that he had that that kind of that pedigree, you know,

but they ran him off. But man, this guy was one of the most exciting players I scouted a year. When you're talking about all the things that he could do, and he took a beating in that Old Miss game. What do you think gave him a chance to win? What do you think about what they ask him to do? Though? Like is he ready to like drop? Can he like turn his back to the defense. He never got to do that though I was. I called the Liberty North Texas game, and I talked to Hugh frees going into that.

The guy just raved about him. And Hugh Freeze has seen quarterbacks along the way that have been fantastic. He says, this guy's up there with any of the other ones that I've faced that I've coached in terms of off the field on the field. And he had zero offensive line. Let me let me reiterate that he had no offensive line to work with. All Right, we're getting ready to get this thing going from Vegas. Oh, they got the fountain going out there. Let's see what else they do

as we get ready to rejoin the fan. Good evening, y'all. Ford Center at the Star is the site of our twenty twenty two NFL Draft coverage with Sean Sharif Cowboys inside our Bobby Belt. Our lead Scalt Brian brought us in from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, David Hellman and Kyle Yeoman's the scene is set. They are packed deep in Las Vegas. A lot of people I would say the pandemic is over. I would say that that it is over, so a lot of intrigue. We still don't know what's

happening at number one. With Jacksonville on the clock, then it will be the Detroit Lions, the Houston Texans, the New York Jets, and then the New York Giants will start to get things going. With the NFC East selections. They're gonna pick at five and seven, with Carolina sandwiched in between. Give our listening audience a little little preview of what you guys are getting from this draft class. How how is this draft class defined in terms of the talent Bobby Belt. It's very very deep and at

the top. You it's not your you necessarily want to be picking at the top. I don't think in terms of there's not the stud that you'd expect to get if you're picking on the top ten. I don't want to be picking one, but I would feel fine picking ten in the top ten. Like, if you told me I had a shot at SaaS Gardner, I'd be very happy. Well,

it just just depends on what you need then. But but in terms of like I mean, you just hear some of these people they talk about consistently, like some of these teams, you hear them in the interviews talking about fourteen first round grades, fifteen first round grades and some of the stuff that's going around they I mean, I think I think they're just preparing you to say, like, all right, we're gonna take somebody that you know, probably in the twenties that you're gonna be like, who did

you just take? And so that's I think there's a lot of uncertainty here. This is This is a a very fluid I think draft for everybody. It's not one of these things where well, the NFL has got to beat on all this, they know where this is going. I think they're just as confused as we are heading into this thing. I love that. I hope you're right. I love that so much. That could happen. Yeah, Sean said it at the top of the show. Chaos. I

want chaos. Absolutely, You're an agent of chaos. Yeah, man, I tell you what, all the years of doing this though, I don't have a great handle on this one. I really don't. Because again last night, the more I talk to people, and these are guys and gals in the league, you know, and they're and they're talking about things, I'm going, okay, stop, you know, I mean, and they're trying to create you know, what if this happens, Well what if you know? And I'm like, well, why don't you just how do you

have your board? You know, how do you have your guys?

And like, well, we have it, you know, And but it just seems like that they maybe Dave was talking about it, you're thinking about it too much, you know, you're thinking about it just you know, the teams, I think the teams that have the continuity to their drafting department, maybe this is an opportunity for a team like the Cowboys that does have consistency the way they draft that maybe they won't be all over the place, maybe their board won't be like just totally out of whack like

everybody else's. Keep hearing this story about how Shad Con, the owner of the Jags, is like having all these meetings with Doug Peterson and Trent Bulk and uh, just trying to get on the same page. I'm like that sounds exhausting. They all don't agree on Tuesday of draft week, Like, well, see, that's the problem. You gotta get to a like I used to get to a point when I would study for tests, where like it didn't matter if I'm just like I know it as well as I'm gonna know it,

I'm shutting the damn book. Well, that's the problem. And again you talk about urban Meyer being the coach. There he leaves. You know, week thirteen, No, trimp, Balky was really not a general manager. Urban Meyer was the guy that was kind of running the personnel department and stuff like that. All of a sudden, Trent Balky comes back in. Everybody's going, well, Trent got you know, he was not really part of it. Now he's running it again. The jagstand base had like an active campaign to keep it

from happening. Yeah, Kyle set us up position wise for strengths and weaknesses of this class. Yeah, I think edge rushers where it gets deep. You could say the same thing about wide receiver. Both of those positions. Edge is probably the most complete position group in the entire class, because you do have those top names. You have the Aidan Hutchinson's, you have the Cabon Thibodeaus, the Treyvon Walkers

up at the top of the list. Then you've got those middle guys that you really feel comfortable about, what the George karlop this, the David Ojabos even with his achilles injury that he suffered on prote Then you've got the back end guys like a Sam Williams and Cameron Thomas and Arnold Avicatie that will go in day late, day two into day three that you feel like him be either developmental guys or impact guys early on. So I would say most complete class edge rusher, wide, receivers, deep.

I would say offensive line not necessarily very deep, and then quarterback is not very top tight end. So tight end in there for me. Man, Oh yeah, no, I agree, because I'm sitting there. You know, there might not be a first round tight end. But we've talked about McBride from Colorado State, and then you know with Otton Woods, Rucker Cole, I mean, they've got some guys that can play once McBride goes. Yeah, they're all gonna go. I

think it's going to be a run and it's not. Again, it might not be in the second round, but there's going to be a run on these tight ends. Say we're talking, we're talking day two stuff here at the top of the first But but but what I'm fine, okay, but but okay, you mentioned the defensive ends, the wide receivers, the corners. I'll tell you this is a good safety group too. It is if you need to say, it's used only if you like, oh, we can't find a safety.

And if you can't find a safety out of this draft at free or strong, then you don't need to be drafted. You'd be doing radio with me, you know that kind of stuff because I feel like though that to me that that group's pretty deep. The corner is group. And I'll tell you what, these linebackers, it's not a bad group. When you start to talk about the walkers to Christian Harris's Tyndale from Georgia, those types of guys.

It's a very versatile linebacker class. That's very interesting. You have the guys that you look at as a potential Micah Parsons, where they can rush the past or they can come off the edge. They're almost a glorified stand up edge stuff like that. But then you've also got these small compact linebackers that are going to fly sideline the sideline. There's kind of a there's something for everybody from a linebacker standpoint, which bodes well for the Cowboys.

How about these defensive tackles, how about at the one technique the big daddies with like Davis and Jones from a Yukon, matth Is from Alabama, Ridgeway Arc and so, I mean those are big bodied one technique guys that I kind of have. All those three guys, Davis, Jones, math is around. Let me just get my satisfaction of hearing Roger Bood at the podium to open up this thing. Yes, here we go, let's go. Let's right, I guess, come on, ns Vegas, let's go. He's like, bring it harder. I'm

used to worse. Okay, all right, that's enough. I just wanted to do it I was hoping for. Wasn't that weaker than years past? Guys. I'll tell you what I'm really he's with. I'm trying to figure out who the guys on the podium Waller and Um the other one was definitely Waller. I think future Green Bay Packer. Who is that On the end, Bobby Marcus Allen. Marcus Allen set us up for the Cowboys and some of the names they be they may be looking at tonight at

twenty four. I think, if you're well, we'll have to see how the board plays out before we even start talking about trading up. I think we start talking about trading uplins we see we get towards like picks ten to eleven. Then we start seeing where the board is and we can figure out if we think it's something reasonable. I think if we're just talking about them, staying back at twenty four names, we need to know. You got Kenyan Green, the guard from Texas A and m Zion Johnson,

the do it all lineman from Boston College. I think they think of his spot best might be at center. Doesn't mean he wouldn't necessarily play guard right out of the jump here, But um, I think you've got Treylan Burkes, they're super from Arkansas. He would be in contention there. And then when we've talked about some of these wipeout snares, we've heard the chatter about Tyler Smith at Tulsa the tackle.

How about maybe as a trade back. I don't know about wipe out at twenty four potentially um or you know, we we've heard a little bit of chatter in recent days that you know, maybe Nakobe Dean would be a whiteout guy for them. Yea, which would blow my mind. Which would I think we encounter to a lot of their stuff. You gotta add Devin Lloyd to just again. I mean, I just don't expect Lloyd to be there

is why fair, totally fair. But if if he's around in that range, sure he'd be in the conversation trying to read t leaves, knowing that he was a thirty visitor. I think it's worth mentioning more likely if there's one to move back or move up. Bobby, what you say the Cowboys were likely to do up or down? I think they're more likely to go up. Why because that's where we've talked about it. That's where the value is going to be if you want to match the value

in the first round. Stephen talks about third, fourth, fifth round. That's where it's deep. So I think they feel like we can get a third round graded player in the third. We can get a fourth round in the fourth I don't think they feel like they can get a first in a second round graded player in those rounds if

they just stay put. So if you want to go up and sure you get a first round graded player, go make the deal, get rid of your second and then start picking actual value starting in the third round. Can you think to trade up for teams in the back of the the draft of the wide receivers that if one of those wide receivers are on the board, because yeah, because I'm kind of feeling like though that

we're gonna lose a lot of these wide receivers. Yes, but if one of them comes sliding down and maybe you're not going to pick them, maybe the Cowboys are not going to take uh you know, I don't think a lobby gets to you or anything like that. But maybe there's somebody that that pickings or somebody like that, or did they just sit and and I'm not again the Cowboys I'm talking about for trade backs, it's more likely for somebody to come up. Right. Abel draft is

now officially open. The Jacksonville Jaguars are now on the clock. All right, all right, here we go. I've never noticed that Goodell says jaguires. Yeah, Jack, I am a I am nothing if not a snotty, pretentious writer. I hate

when people say jaguiar. You know, you know, you know who hates that the most is our old buddy from England, Dan Turner, because he worked for the company Jaguar, so he hates hearing us say the word jag You are is wrong too, yes, but yes, yeah, yeah, of course no. I think that when you to me, if they're gonna go up, that's the where you get the value. You gotta go up. You're gonna have to go up to

probably twelve to fourteen to actually get the correct value. Now, if you want to go up a little bit to seventeen to twenty to ensure you get your guy, you may be trading up. Honestly, if you go up to seventeen to twenty, if you make a little jump like that, you may be trading up to get a second round graded player. Yeah, that's just the way the board may shake out. I agree with that. Again, the teams that might come from the back, keep an eye on Kansas City.

They're really aggressive. You know, maybe that Tennessee might come. Tennessee is another team that Bobby was talking about it, you know earlier today that was looking to make a jump. If in fact that that say Burke's from Arkansas? Is there? Tell us who you guys know the Cowboys love. I don't care whether it's a twenty four, who's top on

their board. Whatever, you can tell us and reveal about who they love in this draft, Dave, when we have the conversation about them trading up, like, oh, a guy slides into a realistic range and maybe you consider it. The name that is in my brain is Drake London. Yeah, every single time they adore him. If you're not, if you're not a draft nick, it's the tall usc wide receiver, big, big, contested catch guy, big go up and get it guy. I think the type of receiver that gets fans excited.

He just you know, I hate compared plays where here on the outside outside and Michael Gallup and Ceedee Lamb can both go inside and out. So he's he becomes your X in my opinion. Um yeah, he's a prototype. Um no, I was gonna. I was laughing because I hate comparing draft prospects to all pros and on he's not as good as Mike Evans. But he's that type of receiver, that that type. I'm not saying he's Mike Evans. I'm gonna be asking you ask for a lot of

comps to Yeah, that's fine. Um, I will say that's that is the number one name that like, let's you know, he's supposed to be gone by pick twelve or so if he's hanging around it like fifteen sixteen for some reason, that's what I got my you know what you talk about comps and my guys here in the Draft show

probably heard me say this. When I was watching Drake London in those games at USC, I thought I was watching a bigger version of Adam Feeland and Adam Fealand six two two one Drake Lynd six four two nineteen. But when you start to talk about catch radius over the middle, doesn't matter where you are on the field, he's gonna catch the ball, break a tack will get up the field that you know, Adam Feeland to meet catches every single ball they throw in his directions. And

Drake London, to me, was that kind of guy. It doesn't matter where it's thrown, he's gonna come down with And I kind of think the same thing with Adam Feeland when I watched him play for the Vikings. You know, go ahead. I was just gonna say, you're saying Adam Feeland, You're saying Mike Evans, how don't you love how that happens? Him across the hall are saying Jordy Nelson. They think he's Jordy Nelson two point zero, and I mean the coach across the hall now coach Jordy Nelson to what

he ended up becoming. They think Drake London's that guy. I think Burkes is more of Mike Evans to me. When you watch the vertical player, when you have enough separation, like it's it's not one of those things, you're like, the guy's running away, but then when you watch the tape, he never gets he never gets tackled. You know, he's he runs four or five, five or whatever, but then he's running into the end zone not getting tackled. I kind of see the same thing with Mike Evans. Vertical player,

down the field, catch the football and then finish. Let's talk about what's happening right now. There's six minutes left on the clock as Jackson mill is gonna get all their shine. Of course, the Jaguars, they're still figuring out who they're gonna pick. Okay, I hope to hell not for their sake. So who will it be? Who should

it be? Bobby? It'll be Trayvon Walker, I think, and I mean I at this stage, it's kind of you know, just with this draft class being what it is, I feel like, just roll the dice and if you want somebod who's solid, it should be Aiden Hutchinson. I think that's the safest guy to me. But are you guys willing to take seventy cents sixty cents on the dollar to move out of this I don't think that. I don't think that that that that general man, I don't

think that that team wants they're bad. You're picking one back back. You need to get better. There's there's too many guys in that room that like Walker. You know, Brinson Buckner's the defensive line coach. I'm hearing he really loves Walker and all that. Me personally, I think Doug Peterson's right. If you take a Quan move the tackle at a North Carolina State, you're helping your quarterback. That's that's your future. That you do not want your quarterback

to struggle like he did last year. If everybody there's going to keep their job, they want want to figure out ways to help him along. I would do that. Sean asked the question, who should it be? It should be Ikey Aquanu out of NCY State. That's who I would do it. That's protect Trevor Lawrence. Find a way to move him into his next step, because that's how you get better as a franchise, is him taking the

step to be an NFL caliber or an exponential caliber quarterback. However, who it will be, It's gonna be one of these addreshers. It's gonna be Aidan Hutchetson, Cabin Thibodeau, Trayvon Walker, Bob sat Walker makes sense. Let me ask you this scout, guys, pick is in not announced yet, Pick is in. I'm so The debate for months now is like Hutchinson is solid, high floor, low ceiling. Walker has this crazy high upside, but maybe he'll never meet it. But everything I know

about Walkers that he's also this tenacious run defender. Doesn't that give him a high floor as well? Like not saying that this is what you want, but if if Walker is a four to six sacks, but does all the dirty work really well? Like? Is that? I mean it would be disappointing, but also not the end of the war world? Right, No? That is that sexy enough for number one? But that's this isn't where picking number

one is sexy. Yeah, it just isn't. And so I I think if I was picking between those two edges, I'm gambling on the upside of Walker knowing that he can do other stuff for me. All right, So you guys think it's gonna be Walker? Yeah, Yeah, that's who I think. Or are you gonna say Bobby No, I was just gonna call Dave, Dave Balky stop all right,

let's see what happens. So, just so you know, the draft order is going to go with Jacksonville number one, then the Lions at two, the Texans at three, the Jets at four, and the New York Football Giants will pick at five and seven, with Carolina Sandwich right in between at number six. Are we expecting a ton of trades? On average? It's about six trades per year in the first round. That's the average. I thought that was high.

I thought it was high. The really high. The overunder was set in Vegas at three and a half tonight for Round one. Everybody wants out. Nobody wants to go up as the problem or not enough guys want to go up. There's there's a whole lot worth going up for. And if it is it's taken in the top ten, you don't really know how it's going to shape out. There's so much uncertainty. If you're gonna go up. It goes back to what we were talking about earlier. You

have a player in mind. This is a buyer's market. Yeah, the draft normally you can you know, average deals elsewhere to get out and like, well they're giving us this, They're going us this. Here we go. Let's go to the podium with Roger Goodell and the number one pick with the draft going down. With the first pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Trayvon Walker, Georgia. What a rise linebacker? Huh Yeah, that's interesting.

What a rise when you look at the different mock drafts. We'll come back and analyze it. We'll put the Lions on the clock. We are just getting started. Thrilled that you're joining us. We're here all night long on one oh five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. All right, we are here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Brian, was this a was this a surprising late rise for this guy based upon Hutchinson and Hutchinson was the locked in favor for the last three months funny years almost. Yeah.

When we started this process in January, Thibodeau was like the first overall player. Hutchinson was getting some love. I think if you watch some of the late tape, especially the playoff game, you know against Georgia and stuff, there was you know, it was kind of evident that maybe this guy is kind of who he is ability wise. I think with Walker it was a you know, everybody will say, oh well, the scouts were the scouts were

are on him the whole time. The media scouts were late, but yeah, there was I mean, there is a he is a very good football player at six five at two hundred and seventy two pounds. I think you know, we had with talking with Dane Burglar a lot. Dane was on him very very early, and I bet you Dane had talked to some of those scouts about him.

But you can gonna watch him play edge and you can watch him play some defensive tackle and I think there's some you know, I think there's something about him though, the bend and things like that that he's probably gonna have to work on a little bit. But this is a guy that kind of Dave was talking about, play the run, play the past per Well, yeah, he can do a lot of stuff for you besides get after the quarterback. But that's that's the thing is you take

him number one because so he can do that. So that's what we're gonna have to watch just to see how well he develops that for my month, Like, with all due respect to him, this makes me super interested in what's about to happen in Detroit because just listening to just trying to pay attention to the entire league, you know, you keep an eye on all these teams, and the word coming out of Detroit is that their GM loves cave On Thibadeau. But Aidan Hutchinson is a

Michigan guy. From Campbell guy. He's from Detroit. He eats glass. He's very Dan Campbell type of player. Like I wonder they might just be having a wrestling match in their war room right now to see who he's got, and you've got a couple of those old school type of guys Dan Campbell, then you know Spielman there as well.

I mean, kind of a couple beat a couple of meat heads if you really want to be honest about it, you know, and they're and they're gonna want a guy that is you know, when you talk about Timbo and Bobby brought up some points. You know, if all of this so, if Tibodeau was one of these guys that you find out he was trying to beg out of

some stuff, didn't want to be a part. How much this guy really loved football, you think Dan Campbell and Spielman are going to be on board with that guy that this this Dave's right, this is a very very interesting pick for the Lions going forward. Well, when you have Treyvon Walker, he now joins Trevor Lawrence. These have been the last number one picks. Just think of like the hype factor and again hype a lot of times

it's overrated. But Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Kyler, Murray Baker, Miles Garrett, Jared Goff, Jamis Clowney, Eric Fisher, and uh did I say Clowney, Hu Miles, Garrett, Jamis Clowney, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton. He now joins those names which you go read that list, Eric Fisher, the tackle that wound up in Kansas City, Like this is the least sexy draft in terms of star power since twenty thirs absolutely. With the second pick in the twenty two NFL Draft, the

Detroit Lions select Aiden Hutchinson. Here we go Desvan Michigan. The Beadheads won, Dant meadeads on the mead Heads one. Who does this guy remind you of? The war is over Lebowski? Who is the comparisons? I mean, you could start to talk about the guys, I think the boss had better bend. I think the bosses were quicker. When you start to talk about the Watts, I think they're more explosive. So I cannot think that he's below that

group of guys. All Right, we're getting ready to come back with one oh five three of the fan will reset the first two picks of the draft. The Detroit Lions just selected Aiden Hutchinson, who had been locked in as the number one pick for the past few months until Trayvon Walker took over that spot. He is selected by Jacksonville at one, Aidan Hutchinson at two, Sean Shreife, Bobby Bell. Our Cowboys insider Brian brought us David Helmont

and Kyle Yelman's from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Could the Lions be celebrating like they got gifted the best player in the draft. Could they be feeling that way, Dave Hellman? And who does this guy remind you of? I mean, yeah, they have to be celebrated, because again, were we talked about it, like this is a Dan Campbell guy, like this fits the ethos of what he's trying to build.

And on top of that, and I mean it doesn't matter in terms of building a football team, but from a narrative perspective, you think a guy from Michigan's national title team that are national playoff team, you know what I mean, who grew up in Detroit, Like you think that's gonna help him sell jerseys and tickets. I have a feeling at Will. So yeah, I'm sure they are pumped. Now.

When we were on the internet side of things, Brian kind of outlined who he reminded or who he was reminded of when watching Aidan Hutchinson could you go through that because I had to follow up to what you said earlier. I want to well, I was trying to compare it. When you look at the brothers like the Bosa brothers, I thought there was more explosiveness, more quickness. You look at the Watt brothers, I thought there was that quick first step and all that. I think this

guy is in that category. But below those guys, I don't know if this guy has that first step. But what he has is those guys, is how relentless that he's able to play. You know, those are the kind you know we always about guys like the and I hate when you say, oh, well it's Ryan Carrigan or someone try, how hard guys stuff like that. But this guy, though, he doesn't stop. And they always say this guy the motor,

the motor, the motor. This guy doesn't. But there's games so you can watch him play where guys blocked him. I mean you you can watch Ohio State, you can watch Georgia where these guys kind of blocked this guy a little bit. I just want to I go out of Jobo might have been the better rusher at times a little bit at Michigan. If you be honest with him. I go out of my way to defend Ryan Carrigan whenever I can, because, yeah, he's no, he's a hell of a plan. I think he gets credit for how

career he had hundred career sex. Yeah, and I compared him to Joey Bosa just because of the way that he plays. They have a very similar stylistic approach in terms of rushing the passer and getting off the edge, and they they have some of the same tools. But I agree with you, it's a poor man's Joey Bosa kind of a step down. Still going to be an impact guy, don't get me wrong, and he has a

ceiling as high as anybody in the draft class. But I think Aidan Hutchinson and a microcosm is just as representative of this entire draft class as anybody else is going to be picked tonight because he's a good player. He has solid upside, but in terms of the players that have been taken in the last couple of drafts, he's just not to that point, not to that level. At the moment when he's picked into the NFL, what are we looking at with the Houston Texans on the clock.

This could be a. This could be a corner, don't you think, Bombay. There's so much buzz around Stingley. Yeah, this is going to be yeah. Yeah. You go back to what we said at the top of the show about like diya overthink it. If they draft Derek Stingley, it would be such poetic justice because for the overthinkers we were, we were penciling this guy into the top five two years ago and then came up with two

dozen reasons why that didn't make sense. And so if if injury history for Stingleys injuries like football, questions about buying, questions like is he like the dog Alpha that's going to lead your tape island? Is his film better than Sauce Gardner? I put his twenty nineteen film up against

anything you throw out there. Honestly, Um, not the last the last two seasons, no, no, but there's there is good tape even you got you y'all pointed that out to me, Like I was down on Stingley because I'm a jaded LSU fan who had to watch him struggle

for two years. But he played well before he got hurt, and he did anyone he did, he absolutely did, And I think, to me, that the more you really dug in and and and Bobby, wasn't you that I was talking to about Houston about someone was telling me about their their pro their pro personnel director or their assistant pro personnel director lives in Louisiana. Was not me? Okay, I taught this is what this is what happens in

my life. Start blending phone calls exactly. Okay, Houston, Houston has Houston has their pro their assistant pro personal director lives in Louisiana. So he knows really what's going on. Now. All you have to do is talk to the previous staff. You talk to football operations. You talk to these people. They will tell you about this guy. They will tell you about what he needs. They will tell you he's not a bad kid. They will tell you that he loves football. He's had some he's had injuries. Here we

go with Roger Goodell. We're kind of moving along nice and brisk here. Good for them, they're not overthinking in these conversation. Texans on the clock. With the third pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Houston Texans like Derek Stingley, junior defensive back Lsu Okay, guys three for three. Wow, Yeah, I'm doing really good right now. Don't smirk at me, David. It's not like you have Twitter opener or anything. I didn't see it until I say I didn't see it. I had fail here has

done a much better job, right. I can't remember who leaks the picks, but I blocked that person a long time ago. I hated that individual, but I hate when they ruined the drama. And I got a message here that they told Jacksonville be close to the vest and try to go ahead and take up your time. So we want the intrigue. That's what we like, all right, Bobby, who goes four or five? Six? Do I need to

do this? Yeah? Yes, yes, Sauce Sauce. Sauce's next. I'll say, Sauce Gardner here four to the Jets, good pick, and then I'll say five is gonna be ikey okay, Wow, this would be really impressed, Sauce. Ikey okay, ikey to the giants of I don't think I disagree though, and I'm I mean, I'm not looking at anything. Six six. Everybody kept saying three is where it gets interesting. I think you were starting to hear enough buzz about Stingley to Houston that I started pinpointing. Six is where it

gets interesting for me. I don't know what Caroline is gonna do. I don't know if they're gonna trade out. I don't know if they're gonna reach for a quarterback. I don't know if they'll say, well, we gotta go Bpa. That's gonna be the interesting. Pick six is where confused. All right, let's let's focus on four then with the Jets on the clock. Uh, Look, no team has been more desperate to get a receiver this offseason. We know that they made a humongous offered at Tyree Hill. There

are Deebo Samuel rumors that are out there. They clearly feel a little bit burned and have some regret that they didn't give Sam Darnel guys to go to throw too, and they don't want to make the same mistake with Wilson. So we're still looking at defense versus offense. I still think they need offensive tackle help. There's not I don't

think there's a receiver worth taking that. It's it's easier to do that when you have two top ten picks, though, when you're picking at ten and you can go all right, maybe one receiver's off by the time we pick at ten. Yeah, but you still think Sauce over an offensive line in here? How much do they believe in Beckton? That's what it comes out. YEA. I might call the Jets immediately go, hey, what do you want for Beckton? Yeah? Absolutely, that'd be fun.

That's a real conversation. It's it's a very similar idea to Jacksonville is like, well, you invested this huge pick and this kid didn't have a wonderful rookie season, Like, don't you want to help him as much as you can? But I mean, Robert Sale is a defensive guy, Like, I completely understand if if Gardner's the pick. I'll tell

you what the thing is. Let's be you're you're talking about the Jets right now, there's panic going on in the in the Giants war room because they might be losing their Their plan was they were going to get one of these corners. So all of a sudden, you're taking you're talking about taking Sauce Gardner off the board for them. Now it turns into okay, does this where we see Tibodeau, This where we see one of those offensive tackles. Maybe Cowboys two point zero from last year. Yeah, one,

and Sir Tam went off. I don't know what happens at six. When I was running through the mock earlier today before I drove over here, I was looking at it and with me assuming Stingley and Sauce went back to back, I had Ikey here and then I had Thibodeau at seven. But like I mean, I texted you guys. Right when I walked in here, I was getting buzz from people that they're going nine. Look more around nine. Tibodau, that's for that's a Seattle. So I wonder if Tibodau.

I don't know who the Giants will go get at that point, because I would think Brian'll have the corner. Brian always says this about Cincinnati, like, oh, they'll take it like Seattle's in that category. Seattle, they'll stop the slide on a guy like yeah, my guy, John Snyder's had some bad drafts, you know, Johnson. There's some pressure going on up there now. They're starting to question what John's players are. But if you know, you look at

the metrics, they say they've had great drafts. But it was great drafts when they were when they picked Russell Wilson and that whole crew that they've all got rid of. Now get lucky on detail met cat Tyler Lockett pops up too. So that's why I you know, I kind of feel like though that the Jets here, like I said it should, the picks should be an offensive lineman here. I mean again, you're investing in your you know, the general manager up there. I mean for going four years now.

There's gonna be a point in time whe they say enough, you know, I mean, we've got to figure out what's going on here. Yeah, and we chiefs can't letting you keep picking players and none of this, no no success. So I think there's a little pressure up there to you pick this quarterback last year, find a way to protect him, get him weapons, whatever you have to do, make that happen. He's Brian brought us. We've got David Hellman,

Kyle Gellman's Bobby belt. I'm Sean treef here on one oh five three of the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com Trayvon Walker to Jacksonville at one we go with another defensive ent, Aiden Hutchinson to the Lions at two Stingley Junior to the Texans the LSU corner at three, Jets are on the clock, followed by two of the next three picks coming from New York with the Giants at five and seven, and will Carolina take a quarterback at number six? So here we go. This feels like

it's moving moving kind of fast right now. Right now, I'm rooting for brought Us has put it in my head. I'm rooting for Sauce Gardner to go to the Jets. I just want, Yeah, if you're a Cowboy fan and you want to see the division, they're still gonna get two really good players. In my books, see that's you. You can't you might get my number one one player. You can't completely screw the Giants because they'll either get a corner or a tackle and they'll be thrilled about that.

I'd rather deal with having to go around Ikey Aquanu than having to throw against a man. Does everyone think that Ikey is the best offensive lineman? And I have cross I have crosses cross from Mississippi State. Okay, um, I don't. I don't have strong opinions about these things. I like, I like Aquan No, I just these guys make boards. I just learn about the players and let the teams decide. But I would take a Quantu over Neil Okay, Yeahquan is my number one two Bobby, I

would take a QUANTU and crossover Neil Aquan and crossover Neil. See, there's things when you got to learn about these Alabama players. A lot of wear and tear on their bodies. They play. They play in a lot of these games, a lot of physical, tough games in the SEC. They're in playoff games. It's almost like Lebron James in a second career with playoff games that you put three or four years on

his career from playing extra games. And they could say a lot about these linebackers and stuff like that that you know with Alabama, these defensive lineman's a secondary and stuff, hard practices with Nick Sabe and a lot of wear and tear on those guys. And that's what they're talking about with Neil mammoth guy, maybe some wear and tear on that body. How did these two corners stack up against you know, last year was a disappointing season for

the shirt thing with Akuda in Detroit. Yeah, how how do those guys all line up. That's I'm sorry, but no, that's a good question. I think I would have see Stanley so much upside, whereas Sauce, I think is something you can feel really good about. Um, I'd have Sauce and Stanley maybe a little behind Horn for me. Here's the pick from the New York Jets. We're the worth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL draft. The New York Jets select Sauce. Skirt down for you, it is open.

It's back up now because I gave you the next like two or three picks that have thought. Bobby Swag coming up in. He's coming in hot his first draft. He's four four. I gotta say, I'm so glad we can Dame Burglar just showed up. I'm so glad we can talk about him right now, because don't say that because we got two you're out of here. Sauce. Sauce was training in Frisco, UH since January, and he is

just that the nickname fits. They talked about over at Exos UH, Brent Callaway and some of the people that he just he upped the level of competition for everybody training. Is he is he running up here? Is he late Uh, there's a running up here, so there he is. Uh, Sauce Gardener, I put the room was far away from room. They have been all the way back, and it's a long water. Was it Philadelphia when they used to make these guys they had to walk down a staircase to

get to the state. I thought that was the stupidest thing. Let's get to the New York Giant ants on the clock. Let's get it rolling with the NFC east on one oh five through the fan of Dallas Cowboys Radio Network, all right, and our Dallas Cowboys dot Com crew sticking with us off the entire night, no commercial breaks. As Sauce Gardner goes to the New York Jets at number four. So we went back to back d ns, back to back corners. Hey, positional value. People absolutely loving that. Get

to the pass rusher. When was the cornerback market going to catch up with the wide receiver market in this offseason? And now corners Dave Hellman are being targeted? Yeah, unintended point. You probably don't want to target these guys too much. Although, to go back to what we were saying, though, like I also think Gardner, I think he's in more of a position of success, like the Jets have more to

work with on their defense right now than the Texans right, Um? Probably, yeah, I mean they got um like, who's the Who's who's the guy that how fast? You can name them? No good point? Who's who's the guy that got hurt? Last year? They have a pass rusher that got hurt, like he didn't get to play. Gosh, what is his name? Wonderful radio? Just fine? Well, this is why it's on the dot com side, David that guy's name. Um, I'm blanking on it too. I just know how bad the Texans are.

That's why the Jets are good. I'm saying the Texans are terrible. Every guy could name more than five members one of one of my one of my favorites, not maybe not even one of the day. One of my favorite interactions with Sauce, Carl Lawson. They got Carl Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have c J. Mosley h yes, so so teams. NFL teams send out to just about everybody in college. They'll send out these questionnaires like just like general like you know, almost like many wonder licks like teams send

him out to everybody. When when I first met Sauce, and he found out, like I cover around here, and he was like, can you do me a favor? I was like sure, and he's like, next time you're you're around the people, the cowboys, can you just let him know I didn't like the questions. He's like, he's like, I had to give one answer. He's like a lot of these, Like I'd get a question for the answers would fit me. He's like, just tell them that if they didn't like any of my answers, it's because I

didn't know what to pick. That yowl that's in two seconds of meeting him. He's like, wait, so you're rather like him. That's his personality. But I mean he's great, he's he's that would drop Thibadeau down to fifteen though, that that type of swag, that type of yeah, and and and to be clear, it wasn't an issue with the question himselves. He didn't like the unlimited I can't it's I want to combine two answers. That's my answer. Look at that necklace. He's got a couple of them off. Yeah,

he's got a sauce bottle. I think, yeah, maybe he's got a little bit Tabasco sponsorship. Here. So there you go with the highest drafted corner list up there with Derek Stanley, Jeff Acuta, Sean Springs, Bruce Pickens nineteen ninety one, and a mad Gardener. So there we go with all those guys going as the third overall pick, and then Sauce going with the fourth. So the New York Giants are now on the clock at five and seven, first of four hundred first round picks in the NFC. I

wouldn't be surprised. Again, and talking to their guys last night, I wouldn't be surprised. I think they like Charles Cross Mississippi State a lot. I think they do wow, And I could be. I could be really just they were they were hunting these tackles. They were talking about these tackles a quantum. I've got Cross higher on my board.

They might not, but I just because they were asking me, and I was doing stuff with their website before and they're asking me about Cross a lot of that stuff, and I'm like, yeah, it's my one of my favorite players, you know, my favorite players in the in the draft and stuff, So this could be the tackle. And then they turn around and they and this is where you could you could very well get your thibadeau to go with that pick at seven. Guess is a court Johnson, Florida.

And if they don't trade out of I think a quantu goes here. And if Carolina doesn't trade out, I think they go cross. I just what if what if they flip flopped it? Though? Because you're looking at five and seven here and all three tackles are on the board. What if they went with an edge rusher first and then you wait for one of those guys to fall. You could actually do that. Maybe you're only two picks away.

But but this is this is the thing that I think people forget about a lot is like that makes perfect sense outside, don't worry about it. Well, inside those war rooms, people are like, no, cross as a beast and that guy sucks. We're not They're not the same, right yea, Like they might have vastly different opinions point or maybe they are clustered on the board. We just

we don't know that. But a lot of times, like you'll have these conversations where it's like, well you had you had four guys and they're like, no, we had one guy, Like we don't think that highly of the other three. All Right, Goodell's walking up to the podium with the New York Giants selection. For the New York Giants pick, I'm joined by Sam Prince along Giants fan and make a wish. Kid. All Right, we're back with the New York Giants selection. On the clock. Sam is

postcard transplant and feeling stronger than ever. As you can see tonight, his wish to announce the Giants first pick comes true. We hope this wish will be a turning point for Sam as he looks forward to being a sports broadcaster in the future. He brought us to take my spot. Okay, Sam's it's time to get your wish true. Baby, Thank you, mister Goodell. With a fifth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the New York Ball Giants, Black Cavon Tibodeau. There I go in this room. Cavon

Thibodeau was the top player on three boards. Brian brought us, Dave Hellman and Kyle Yellman had to play him twice a year now, and you were saying, maybe they're not going to freak out with Sauce Gardner going to the New York Jets. Why do you love Thibodau so much. Yeah, I'll tell you what I just feel like though, when you watch this guy play, he puts so much pressure

on those blockers, those tackles and stuff. You know. I mean to me, when you know he gets that corner, he's going to find a way to dip it and he's going to finish at the quarterback. He's an explosive player. He I think when you watch him run, I mean, he could cover a lot of ground. He's not one of those guys you see him get like pushed past the quarterback and all none. I mean, he's not going to be on the ground at all too. I mean, he is going to play on his feet. He's got

the redirection skills. There's some snap, there's some violence when he hits his opponent. You see the heavy hands and you just see the blocker kind of stopping his tracks right there. But and he gets a lot of double teams in the pack twelve, and he's able to handle that at six four two fifty four. I love the way this guy rushes the passer. He's got the pass rush ability, he's got the size, the explosiveness to get off at the line of scrimmage. And we mentioned earlier

with number one overall pick Trayvon Walker. In the way that he run or he defends the run, he's able to go sideline the sideline with a latter rollability. Thibadeau is a hunter on the run. And yes he's got the tackle for lost numbers, he's got the sack numbers. But he's not necessarily just a one trick pony. He's gonna do a lot of things for that Giant's defense to take them to another level to where they haven't

been in a long time. And Kyle, your scenarios in play now too, like they I mean, they are gonna have pick again probably and one more pick and an offensive tackle will be there if they like a guy. Yep, all right, they're gonna have two offensive tackles there since they took the rush at the very at the very least. Yeah, this is probably the most or second most intriguing pick in the top ten because this is where people think the quarterback could go. And if a quarterback doesn't go here,

then we may fall all the way to twenty. The Carolina Panthers are on the clock. Are you sweating a little bit right now? I'm not he's not the one that You're not the one that's got the shot color. Those are Those are my pinisters and my co host on one oh five, three of the fans, j RJ is going through it right now. RJ's like, I need this, I need this is to take Kenny pick. This is make or break for him. RJ was being a little weird though, when I was in Studio three. I'll remember

because like I enjoy a little pain. It's like, okay, shot cut is a Wednesday night for him. But uh, could they take an offensive tackle here? I would think if they stand in man, if they stand in offensive tackle, I would think, if you want to go a quarterback, just trade back of these spots. Let don't want to come up to get the tackle. Pick up some extra capital you need. Pick the next pick after this is one thirty. I'm gonna say they don't pick again until

SA Day, and they need they need players. There's no way they should be making this pick with If Carolina would pick a quarterback at six, why aren't we talking more about the New York Giants taking a quarterback at five? They declined Daniel Jones fifth year option. Today, someone answered that because honestly, if you if you really want me to answer that, I think it's because Carolina is a

freaking mess man. Yeah, Like there, Carolina's owner is like what people accuse Jerry Jones of being just in the sense of like being overly involved and not knowing what he wants. I mean, they traded for Darnold, they got sick of that real quick. They chased after Deshaun Watson for a year, didn't get him, Like they don't know what they're doing, or at least they sure as hell

don't seem like that. I think there's a disconnect between the general manager and the head coach, and I think the general manager he's like, I'm I'm ready to move on from this guy, and he didn't hire the guy Nope, but he's going to let him do what he wants to do. So I'm seeing some of that Thibodeaus. Now you guys are talking about if you don't when you're asking the question of like why aren't the Giants talking about it, I think the difference is the Giants have picks.

Like the Giants can get somebody in the second round. They can get it like Panthers right now, It's like, we get a quarterback, now we wait till the fourth round. I also think the Giants just put a new structure in place, right, Like they got a new GM and a new coach. Nobody is getting fired if they suck or if Daniel Jones is bad, they can worry about quarterback next year. Everybody's out on there. But if Carolina doesn't do something which leads to stupid decision. Who thinks

the Panthers are going to draft a quarterback here? I think they trade out. I think they either trade out or draft a tackle. Honestly, I think they're going to pick a tackle. What self? Now, if they pick a quarterback, who is it? Kenney Pickett's pick it? So he's the closest they made the pick. He's the closest thing to a Day one Wow. So they didn't trade out, they did pick. Does Matt Rule? How much influence is Matt Rule have here? When everyone thinks he's got one foot

out the door? Yee is he's saying, don't draft me? I don't. I don't want a rookie starter, kind of like Nage in Chicago, Like, hey, Dustin Fields, it's exciting, but I'm gonna get run out of here when he struggles his rookie year. Yeah, the whispers are that Scott Federer, the general manager there, is basically saying, hey, fine, take who you want, and if it doesn't work, then ownership

is going to do. You know, they're gonna move on and then Scott can go hire the guy that he wants to hire, you know, and then you know, because that that guy has a lot of power in Carolina. I mean, you talk about personnel power and all that, So you know, maybe it's one of those things where you know, fine, you want to get a quarterback and he doesn't play in the first year and you don't develop, and then you're gonna get fired. So I me, personally,

I would find a way to take it. If you don't have a the surest thing on this board right now is an offensive tackle, whether it's and you don't want if you're not picking for like one hundred more picks, you know, figure out who the safest player on this board is and work from there. Not only that, what's what's can he pick? It gonna even do without some help? I mean maybe you know, maybe Sam Arnold held there. Why d J. Moore receivers I was thinking more along

the offensive. Their offensive line's not very good. I think I'd rather try to get better results from Sam Darnold with a better line than think Kenney Pickett's gonna be an improvement. Child Treeve, Kyle Yemen's Bobby, Bob Bryan brought us and Dave Hellman. The Carolina Panthers are on the clock. Is there anyone that loves Picket enough that you heard about to move up and have Carolina moved back? Does anyone think that Picket or Willis are worthy of the

number six pick? I think I think it goes back to Bobby. I'm right there with you, is the fact that these teams don't know how things are going to pan out in front of them, and they would rather with these quarterbacks sitting there just stay put. I mean, you look at the quarterbacks in the back half of the first round, or the teams in the back half of the first round that neat quarterbacks. The Steelers are

in that conversation, the Saints are in that conversation. They have the ability to go up if they really want to, but they don't need to go get Malik Willis or go get a Kinny Pickett. They can sit tight and let things all of them because outside of the Panthers, there's not going to be a quarterback selected in the top fifteen, or at least we don't anticipate it to be. I think I think the whole thing, and Bobby, you talk to more people around the league than I do,

Like I'm way more Cowboys focused. But the whole trading up for a quarterback thing seems like manufactured to me. Like I don't think mac Jones twenty twenty one. I don't you kind of feel like teams you're feeling like they're getting burned by doing that. Now, I hope not, because the two that come to mind for me or Mahomes, And I mean Mahomes was a trade up which worked out sure amazing. I mean, if you're talking about going

at the very top, yeah, no, he wasn't. The last coming way up would have been when Rams went up for golf and well the Packers, Packers went up for their guy. Well, I mean not the San Francisco went Yeah. No, I don't think teams think they're getting burned. I think you just you just gotta have a grade that makes it worth it. And I don't think I don't think a team in the league has a first round grade on a single one of these quarterbacks. I would agree

with that. So that's that's what it comes down to. That are just not they're not good enough to be worth that. So my co host on the fan has he won't let this go. Brought us cover your ears in terms of talking about evaluating right fifty fifty first round. So if it's fifty fifty, he says that quarterbacks are so important. I'll get back to it. Here here comes the selection with Roger Goodell at the podium for Carolina. With the sixth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft,

the Carolina Panthers select kim Ya North Carolina State. Job fellas, it's like good for them, Like you've kind of been doing homework on this stuff born and Ray Charlotte, North Carolina. So I didn't even I mean, that makes sense. He's NC States. Stay see this to me, this is the sensible pick. You know, you're you're trying to stabilize your franchise. You know, go out offensive linemen tend in the first round tend to work out pretty well for you. You

don't have a lot of picks to deal with. You know, give yourself a little momentum. You know, if you have to go back and rally, maybe you want to jump back in this draft. Maybe you want to give next year's picks or something like that to jump back in. But you have to you have to give this thing some stability. And you know, quarterback if he goes in there and flops around, everybody's gonna get fired. Yeah, you know,

this guy is one of those things. I think you could agree on that he is one of the best. He's one of the best five players in this draft. Yep. I think New York and Carolina got a phoebe feeling like they made out like bandits right now. In my opinion, especially in New York, knowing that they're about they'll probably take their offensive tackle here. If I had to get going back to what Brian said earlier, they felt good

about Charles Cross right there. They didn't get him off the board, and even if they did, they would have had it. He could want it right there as well. Now you got to worry about the Giants taking Cross here. Tell us a little bit more about a Quanu because you loved him, Kyle, I do. I love Aquanu and you talk about the biggest bully. I said that early on biggest bully in college football this past year, and brought Us laid it out perfectly a minute ago. He

earned that spot on reputation as a pure finisher. He's on the edge. He improved throughout his career and he's got such a powerful lower half. He's got those clamps for hands, he's got long arms, he's almost impossible to get away from. And you also look at guys like brought Us was talking about with these tackles now falling to five and then forward, it is a safe pick in the top ten to go and get a guy like Eca mcquanu, and man, he is built for the future.

He's going to be a guy I think that Carolina relies on for a long time. Let me finish up, think about Christian McCaffrey too. They still have Christian McCaffrey to be a guy that they can rely on as well. Equanu helps you in that regard. Let me finish up my co host radio point on the Cowboys flagship because I think it's an interesting thought. By the way, RJ.

Choppy get ready to get the hell shocked at you and we were all rooty for that next week, so right now, not looking good for RJ with the shot caller bet His point is, if we really, if it's all fifty fifty, you're not going anywhere without the quarterback. So take the quarterback, right, Josh Allen. We thought Josh Hylan, many people thought he was a reach. Trubisky Mahomes right, fifty fifty, so why not the value of the quarterback? Dave makes more sense for Carolina to maybe hit on

that because we really don't know. I totally see the logic, and you're I mean, you're right now he's not worried about job status because Brian's right, yeah, everyone gets fired. But if you're the owner, would you would you consider that if it's fifty fifty, let's keep taking them because we go nowhere with that one. I see the logic. I mean, Dane Brugler, it's one of my favorite lines.

When you talk about draft prep is like draft quarterback, it's a lottery ticket, like and if you hit it yere, then you're in the NFL's elite for like eight to fifteen years. I get it. I just I don't think there's a prod like you still got to do the work and make the gray and trust it right, Like, there isn't a guy in this class that even is on the level of I mean Mahomes and Alan, Like the talent was evident, you know it. I mean it

was there, they had the tools. Yeah, I mean with a like Kenny Pickett, We're sitting here saying like, oh, he probably needs to go to a warm weather city so he can hold the ball, and like his decision making isn't great. Malik Willis, like, does he understand pro offense is well enough where he'll be able to play quickly? Ritter? I think, like, I think Ritter could probably start for the right team, but is there enough around him in Carolina to where he'd be good. I don't think RJ

is crazy for making that point. I just I think it. I think it says a lot about this quarterback class that I just don't think there's a grade high enough to be worth that type of risk. It's also that thought process that we had early on about overthinking things. When we were first doing this homework, we were first getting to the point of looking at this quarterback class. We were looking at these guys and saying, Hey, where

we don't have any of these guys in the top round. Really, they were not the same level of talent from a quarterback standpoint as we've seen in the past. Yet they're still being talked about his potential top ten picks at that position. I brought us set us up for what the Giants could be thinking here with their second pick in the first Yeah, this is to me, this is either going to be it's it's either gonna be one of these offensive tackles. They haven't been able to fix

the offense and that's the that's been the problem. And they've thrown money. They've thrown money at their offense. Yeah, you know, and you know, the flowers and all that. They've had some problems. Here we go, let's see if the Giants go up front again, this time on the offensive side of the ball. In the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the New York Giants selected Evan Neil Alabama. Nice job, Ryan. They were looking, you know, like I said, they were looking offensive tackle, and I and I and

I was visited with them about Neil. They're looking for a real right tackle. That that's that was something that was pretty you know, pretty clear to them that they you know, they really really do like you know what they've been able to, you know, with with the other the tackle, the left tackle that they had their Andrew Thomas Thomas. Yeah, so they were looking more for a guy on the on the right side, and that's where

Neil kind of fits in, I believe. So the New York Giants making some noise in the NFC East, how worried should we be about their two picks? And the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. But we didn't actually go anywhere hitting on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. This this here Atlanta coming up. This is going to be the first pressure point for the guy they like, Drake London.

This is gonna be the first spot where you could see n This is gonna be Lena. There's been a lot of push for Jamison Williams here. Garrett Wilson maybe two was another one that maybe could be. He's high up a lot of people's draft boards. Yeah, we'll think about the coach and where he came from. That's a Tennessee right there. Guy that the head coach there. Uh, that is now what the Falcons was a Tennessee ran the ball, physical, big you know, they played with big receivers.

You know, that's where I would kind of keep an eye on whoever. You feel like the bigger receiver is, like they're the more physical guy. Let's let's get to that in a second. But my phone is these meatballs do this every year. These giants fans that I went

to school with in DC. Uh, they're thrilled. Yeah, yeah, I mean, let's talk about Evan Neil ready made starter, Bryan's I mean, right tackle Andrew Thomas hasn't lived up to the hype of being a top five pick, but he's playing a lot better in what was he a twenty twenty Yeah, he played a lot better in his second season than his first. Yes he did. Um So, I mean, so you got a hell of a pair of tackles there. If you're trying to figure out how

good Daniel Joe he played left tackle for Alabama. I mean, see, he's six seventies, three hundred and thirty seven pounds and he's massive, and he will surprise you how well he moves for his size. I mean it is impressive and the body control and balance us watching the A and M game. I watched A and M Old Miss, and you know, he was off balance a little bit against the Old Miss. But I'll tell you what, I'd see a guy for that big being light on his feet.

He's on the two point stance all the time. So he's kind of an upright player in the way that he does. But man, he is a long armed guy and you never see rushers get on him. He's able to extend and keep those guys and his mass is what bullies the defenders like him. He leans on you the whole game. He's going to be a problem for you. He said in Indianapolis that he models his game after Tyrn Smith and Larry Allen. I mean that was that was the thing. He named two cowboys right off the

bat about who he bottels his game after. And you can see that he's got some Eric Williams to him. His way he bullies people, Yeah, the old Cowboys. Dan Jimmy Jones is his uncle. Yeah, and so he's got Cowboys connections there. I'm not I'm not loving this new general manager so far. Yeah, I don't like it. He's made two good picks, bring my boy Dave, get him

and back. He would have extended, he would have picked up the option on Daniel Jones today, say Quon would have gotten extended Loftis or they're already trying to get Cadarius Tonus, Cadarius Tony's butt out of town. And now they're sitting here and you guys are loving what they did at picks five and seven, not liking that. Do you guys have any background on their new GM that came over from from Buffalo? Shush, how do you say? Shown Shane Shane Shane, Yeah, Shane Shane, I don't know

the guy. I mean a lot of these guys I know, but him I do not know. I know he's his background though again Buffalo, you know he's he did a really you know, Buffalo has done a nice job of with their team. How they You know, that's a physical defense, it's a physical offense. It's built for the play and the bad weather and stuff like that. So if you come from places like that, he's going into that environment where you're gonna have to play a lot of bad

weather games and stuff like that. I'm not going to pretend to know a ton about him. But if he's coming from Buffalo, Brandon Bean helped build a Super Bowl team in Carolina and then went up the road to Buffalo and turned them into one of the two or three best rosters in the league. So he clearly learned some things from somebody who knew what he was doing. All Right, the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. Here are the next picks, Atlanta, and then you're gonna have Seattle.

Then you're gonna have the Jets again, and then the Commanders picking again in the NFC East. Kyle, Yeah, And with these teams coming up here in the next couple of selections, I want to go back to what Bobby was saying, Drake London could go here in the next four or five selections, because that's where the wide receiver run could begin. But we've talked about it through the entire lead up into this hour, or I guess the first hour. We talked about names that the Cowboys could

trade up for. Charles Cross, Trevor Pinning, Drake London. All three of those were on the board at the moment. They're still there. So this is getting into that point where you can maybe have that conversation. Lets go to the podium with eight bick. In the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Atlanta Balcon select Drake London wide receiver. Okay, guys, throw that pen Brian, No, why the Cowboys are throwing

that pa? Yeah, the Cowboys that this was a minefield here because I had heard Atlanta, the Jets, and of the Commanders all had Drake London as their number one receiver. Wow. Wow, I'd rather have that dream dashed at eight than have twelve. Yeah, and you're like, You're like, could it be? Maybe? It's kind of CD two point. So that's one of the I think the three higher trade up options that are now off the board. You got Cross and Penning potentially

still there. I think Garrett Wilson's in that conversation too, though, So keep that in mind, all right, Bobby Bell, Cowboys insider. Brian brought us David Hellman and Kyle Yeomans from Cowboys dot Com. We are at Ford Center at the Star. I'm Sean treef and Bobby. You said, the Atlanta Falcons with this picket number eight could be an important moment in this draft. They'd take Drake London from USC. Why

were you thinking that? I had heard that the Falcons had him as their top receiver, and I think, especially once Thibodeau went off the board, I thought Tibodeau was somebody who could have been in play for them at eight. But with Tibodeau off the board, it felt like this was a landmine for the Cowboys. And I think this is the first Cowboys. Yeah, they loved this guy. This is the first, I think, real frustrating pick to go

off the board for them. Was he Is he the consensus number one receiver though in the draft class or on the Cowboys board draft class? No, I don't think there's a consensus, a whole lot of consensus about anything. A lot of teams had him number one, though, I think I think I had heard Atlanta, the Jets, and the Commanders all had him as one little little Calvin Ridley replacement. Here, different type of it's a different type of player. But I mean, they need, they need somebody

to throw. They need yeah, they need a weapon. They got Kyle Pitts and then a whole bunch of receivers you've never heard of. Oh, I just thought about that pairing Pitts in London. That'll be fun. Was that quarterback Marcus Mariota for the time. If Marcus, that just took the fun right out of it. For Hey, he's not awful, I know he's not. I mean, we'll see didn't haven't. Didn't live up to his draft stock for now. But see that's what I brought up about Arthur Smith the

coach there. You know big. I mean he came from Tennessee, big receivers over there. You know, physicality maybe not as important as how fast you're a matter of fact, nobody has a time on Drake London never ran a forty, No, never did. I mean, so you know nowadays people are like going, oh, well, back in the never ran line. No. Back in the day when I mean like you would you would have like my boss would have sent me to wherever he is out in California, and they're like,

you get a forty on that kid. Yeah, I mean there was a time where you would have not drafted. And but today we're in an age we take five nine quarterbacks first overall and we don't have time on wide receiver. I think there's a there's an interesting conversation to be had there. I think Drake Lendon's great. I would have been happy had the Cowboys found a way to draft him. But there was always part of me that wondered if he was the like it hate that phrase.

Is he a Dak friendly receiver? I think he is, because it depends on how you define it. But I think that's a guy who, no matter whether he's got the separation or not, he's coming down. But what does that mean? Okay? But the reason I say it is because Dak values separation. He doesn't he doesn't throw the covered guy. He doesn't like to take risks, he doesn't want to put the ball in harm way, and he wants you to be open. AF twenty seventeen he was. He was the He had more of his completions and

tight window throws than anybody else in the NFL. So, I mean, I think it's it's true, but I think it's a little bit of a myth just to how it's like, unless it's not wide open, not throwing, they don't think that way across the hall. He can make those throws. I don't want to like be taken out of context like I know he can. I just wonder if a guy that can create more separation would be better.

That's That's why I said, Chris, Chris Ollavey. Those two Ohio State receivers are both that way, they create separation. I think in this I would love that would be wonderful. I think they think Wilson's better. Let's reset the picks. Trayvon Walker goes one to Jacksonville, Aiden Hutchison two to the Lions. Stingley, the corner from LSU, goes three to the Texans. Then Sauce Gardner to the New York Jets

at four. Thibadeau, who our guys had as the best player in the draft, goes to the Giants at five. Hit Kwanyu, the tackle from NC State goes to Carolina at six. No quarterback Evan Neil to the Giants at seven. The tackle from Alabama, Drake London just went off the board to the Atlanta Falcons at number eight. And now your boy brought us John Schneider, and now he's gonna mess this up. Who is Like, here's somebody in the

third round we haven't even talked about. Here, I'll tell you what Seahawks are jealous of the Giants draft because those are the year they those are the two names most heard. They liked we're Neil and Thibadeau. I wonder if this is another landline for a potential trade up. I think this is a potential for Cross. I wonder it need offensive. There's been some I need a quarterback, there's been I've not heard this, but there's a lot of choppy off the hook, like why we don't want

quarterbacks to go there? Don't want it. There's a lot of people mocking Jermaine Johnson here. I don't I haven't heard that specifically, but I've just seen enough people throw Jermain Johnson the addresser from the Snyder pick. That would be the John Snyder pick. Would john loves defensive ends? You know, he really does really really hard. If the Seahawks drafted a franchise tackle for Drew Locke after years

of not helping Russell Wilson, yeah, I gotta say. If you get through nine, though, and there's not a tackle here and the pick is in Jets and Commanders, they might start a run on receivers. Here. You're starting to getting a tall range and you've got two. If Cross clears there, crossing Penny could start getting in trade up range. Charles Cross hanging around to like sixteen. The Seahawks question has been it's learning at me all offseason. No one's

talking about it. What happened to Seattle last year? They have they have they have weapons, they have a Hall of Fame quarterback, right, but like the offense disappeared at times. Are we all totally sold that Russell makes a humongous difference In Denver? You got Metcalfe, uh, you got Lockett, and Seattle finally had had a really bad year. What happened?

I don't cover them, so I don't want to speak too boldly and too confidently, But I think Russell Wilson knew that he was playing in the best division in football, tried to come back from a thumb injury too quickly, wasn't healthy, wasn't the same player, and didn't have an offensive line, didn't play and also all of that problems, all that problem was still there, and I think it just it hurt him. Um. I think Russell Wilson will

be just fine in Denver. You want to talk about having everything that they all they needed was a quarterback brought us what is the what's the real power structure there? Because I know we talked about John Snyder He's had a heck of a reputation as a GM. But people say this is this is Pete Carroll's show. No, John and Pete do work together. The one thing John was always would tell me was that he's like, listen, Pete convinced me that he can coach the player that might

be off center. That maybe they had they had a run there where they were taking those defensive linemen. Then they all were Frank Clark, Yeah, they were taking questionable character guys and John's like, I don't want to take these guys, and Pete's like, no, no, no, we could take and we could win with these guys, and they did. The problem is that when you look at the Seahawks, now you know, who the hell's Stone Forsyth, Who the hell's Damian Lewis, Who the hell's Austin blythe you know, Dan,

Dave Jackson and Lewis. But you but know what I'm saying, Yes, I know those are the guys. I know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, That's what that would be. Jake current Tackle was the pick who Yeah, I mean, who who is? Who are these guys? John? John is always He's always taking guys he's like traded back and taking uh if fetty and people like that that You're like why, But it's so weird because people just you know, still do make fun of the Cowboys for being a little bit

old school. Pete Carroll is like looked upon as the analyst. I hope I look when I'm seventy, Well he looks good, h and he chooses gum fast. But he's like, run the football and defense and special teams and you think they have an offensive line to run it. Here's Seattle selection at nine nine pick and the twenty twenty NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawk selection Charles Cross tackle Mississippi State. Throw it? Why are we throwing the pick again? First pen? That's

that's that's like a guy you wanted that. That was my best tackle? You all? I all I want to say now is for John. He must have stepped out of the room. You know. No, you need to text him right now, and so I apologize for what I just said over the last time. Now he will talk to me anymore because he knows I get on him all the time. You guys called this though, Yeah, but but see that's I just named I just named all

those who's who? Yeah, you know, and and there somewhere I get Russell Wilson sitting in his twenty five million dollar home there in Colorado and throwing too. He's going, what would who they take? You know that kind of thing. So like Kevin Hart like help me, why why wouldn't you do that for me? Right? And they used the pick that they traded for him for Yeah, boy, this is this is poetic. This is picks eight and nine back to back years, just stabbing the cowboys in the heart.

They lost horn that was yet get closer to get stabbed because it's because I think we didn't think they were gonna slide down to twenty four obviously, but had they gotten to twelve, they I think they were picking up I'm with Bobby on this one. You were looking at twelve as a potential trade up target that vikings for sure sitting there. If they if these two guys would have been there at twelve a conversation as being had I still don't. It's still not the same as

the two picks before. You already two guys that you're already there. Now Here's here's the interesting thing we talked all about, like how unpredictable this is and how wild this is going to be. I think we felt pretty on with like all, Like if you would have told me these were the top nine players, I think we would have kind of guessed pretty close to this. Nothing truly surprising has happened yet another. I mean, there was way too much smoke about Stingley all this week for

me to be surprised to hear his name. Carolina Picking surprised me. The Jets are on the clock at ten, then the commanders at eleven. Michael Irvin just texted me saying, wow, humble brag Mutch no QB taken in the top ten, I said, Mike, though, we're not out of the top ten yet, but maybe he's got the NFL network board like running early right where those picks go playmakers. I'm hoping that. I'm hoping for that selfishly for my morning show that I think we're safe here at ten with

the Jets. What are they looking at here? After they went with Corner with the first selection? Um, this this was the Drake London they wanted. They wanted London Wilson. Is this Garrett Wilson. I mean, I don't know what they think of Olave or something. The first wide receivers were supposed to come off the board at ten. That I mean, every every draft, everybody had talked about when's the first wide receiver gonna come. It was gonna be ten, but it just happened to go to Atlanta. You know,

a couple picks earlier there. But are you guys talking a little lineman for the Jets as well? I don't know that. I mean, if they like Penning enough, sure, yeah. I don't know that they like Penning like that. You also look at Kyle Hamilton being on the board here. I don't think they would do that, but at least in terms of top players available, he's up there at the top of the list. I don't know if they would go to Penning either. I'm right there with I

think I think Jets go Garrett Wilson here. If I think, I think the Commanders then go either top receiver. They're taking Kyle. They love Kyle Hamilton and Washing, yeah they do. Who are the best linemen on the board, because as you mentioned Helman earlier, that's what the top edge not not not for Brian. Brian's got Karloft is here. I was reading branching into Jordan Davis territory as well. Yeah,

that seems high. But everybody like Jeremiah from for Michael lombartin Michael Lombardi said that Jordan Davis should have been the number one pick your boy brought us former NFL Mike loves those defensive linemen like that though, he really does. But that's a highweight speed thing. That's that. That's that Al Davis training that you get where oh my gosh, the guys three hundred and forty pounds and he ran four seven eight. You know, one of those things if

it was going to be a defensive lineman. Um, Jordan Davis and Jermaine Johnson make the most sense at this point. All right, so the commanders will be after this out eleven. What did you say you were feeling for Loston Wilson here and then Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton is a commander's guy I had I had heard Washington was really in on Kyle Hamilton and Drake London. Yeah. I also Ron Rivera loves the Ohio State kids too, That's what I

was saying. Olaby was a guy that people were talking about potentially there as well, and I'm talking receiver a lot they have. I know Rivera likes the Ohio State kids, but I've heard Kyle Hamilton a lot Le Hamilton. Yeah, everybody, that's that's absolutely right. Well they just moved on from

landon Collins too, they did, ye all right. So we have the newer Jets on the clock than the Commanders, than the Minnesota Vikings, the Texans back there at number thirteen, the Baltimore Ravens at fourteen, and then the Philadelphia Eagles at fifteen. Sean Sharif, Kyle Yeoman's, David Hellman, Brian brought us and Bobby belt with not a ton of surprises. So far, the guys have been crushing the picks in terms of the predictions. So let's see what happens here, Bobby,

you're gonna go on the record with this. Garrett Wilson, Garrett Wilson, Roger Goodell prove Bobby right est pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Drags. The New York Jets select Garrett Wilson wide receiver, Ohio saying, look at that suit. There we go, little little gray, little white, little split suit there. So Garrett Wilson the receiver goes to the New York Jets and try to get their young quarterbacks some help. Are they gonna try to get Carson once?

Some help? The commanders are on the clock. Next this is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. I'll go on the record right now and say it'll be Hamilton or Hamilton or at Hamilton, or whoever they think is the top rest for Jamison Arl I'm Hamilton. I'm going Hamilton, and I gotta tell y'all now. Tomorrow

we're changing up the Seaton arrangement. I went Dave to sit over here so that he can see I'm calling picks out and not looking at Twitter because he does not believe me. I don't believe you at all, because I have Twitter. You've been look. Sean's been sitting here right next to me. I have the NFL. Look, man, I've been staring at soda for a caffeine face. I'm looking at you. Sorry, And I used to be accused of all this. We can't like Dave. You can get

service if you want something, let me know. Bobby. I will say it's a normal thing, because even if you get to get anything right, fans will be like, oh, you're just cheating your your telegraph. After the picks, it's like the fans. This dude knows I talk to people. He should know better. I haven't done enough trolling of helmet. We're ten picks in and I've made like one helmet who leaks? Who has been the inside that leaks it? Nowadays the schefter leak it? Who leaks? Oh, I don't

see I don't think. I think they've cracked down on that pretty good. Yeah, I mean that is it? Is it an open secret? Like do people know? I mean the actual league is like eight minutes ahead of TV. People know that. That was awesome one year I saw that. And so there's enough people who talk and like who tweet stuff out and like, I mean there's people in every building that have access to it. They've done they've cracked down on it a lot harder than they used to.

But yeah, I got out of control for a little bit. What's actually happening is it gets it gets crazier on like day three, like that they're on day three. The actual picks are half wild West, fifteen minutes before the TV catches up like it's insane. The only pick I've seen Schefter or Ian today get out in front of where they were calling it before it was announced, was a minute before they said it was Trayvon Walker. That's

the one I've seen today. Who's the NBA guy Shams? Yeah, yeah, he he had it too, which I always love when there's crossover, like the NBA guys are tipping NFL picks, but they can't get in trouble. Was he was doing? We got our first trade? I don't know, Brian, you call it? Y'all have been talking Ryan, the Saints are so and so? Who wait? Who do they like? Tell us, Brian, I think it's a quarterback. I think it's for the quarter I think it is I think it's Malik Willis.

I think it's Willis. Yeah, yeah, I think they're I think they're going for Willis. How funny would it be? QB one pick outside the top ten? They didn't like Kyle Hamilton enough? So happy? I'm so? Or do they think he'll fall to fifteen or excuse me, sixteen? If

they got sixteen, we don't know what the competence. Okay, maybe this is maybe it's not Hamiling could they go for the wide receiver here to go with the wide receiver and then wait for and then wait for h at sixteen, wait for Willis were in weren't they also in tackle talk though? Is this Penning? Yeah, the tackles are all the tackles were all off the Pennings. They thought that, Yeah, if I had to, if I had to bet, if I had to bet the three positions, quarterback, tackle,

wide receiver. But I didn't feel like the Saints were done man, because we were talking about that. You just don't do that. You don't. You just don't like, oh, we're gonna trade up till sixteen just because we like that spot, Like nobody does that. Now that we're looking through it, though, I'm gonna go back to what brought us was saying a second Jamison, it's pick sixteen, a third and a fourth for eleven, so they still have nineteen if I mean, look at the teams in between them,

the Vikings, the Texans, Ravens, Eagles. None of those teams were going to take a quarterback regardless however, somebody could trade it up. So there's I mean, there's president that a quarterback could be the selection here. But it's not a foregone conclusion. Yeah, I mean I would do that trade. Wait, what was the compensation again? A third, a fourth and pick sixteen? Bro, I would do that for Jamison Williams in a beat. That's what I like. I'm saying going

up was not gonna cost the same. I would do that in a hard beat. Sean Sharife, Bobby Belt, Brian brought us David Helmet and Kyle Yeoman's here with round number one and we have a trade. Boys, we have the New Orleans Saints on the clock. They have moved up to number eleven. What is this for? What are we thinking here? I mean anytime, the natural inclination when something like this happens is quarterback. But we all agree that maybe these quarterbacks aren't worth it. They to Ron

Armstead's in Miami. Now they need to tackle. Maybe they're convinced maybe Penning is their last shot at getting a tall to can't afford the weight, and they've they keep their other first round pick, right, so like, yeah, it was a third and a fourth, they're not moving out of the round entirely. So you can get your tackle here and get a receiver. Like it's sixteen ninety eight and one twenty. Do we know who they like between the quarterbacks? They like willis More? Yeah, they will. Man,

the Saints are so aggressive, Yeah, down the Chiefs. That was in the cards they were playing in this. I mean, I'm convincing, but it's still an aggressive thing to do it right away a future one. That's that's the thing they call again nineteen or excuse me, ninety eight? What else was the last one before? I think jumping for quarterback though, maybe they're jumping a potential trade. Yeah, that's yeah, if the price is that low, maybe they know other

people could becoming see and that is the thing. So I've heard Titans could go up over Packers to try and get Burkes, and so there's chatter that the Packers could try to just jump up further than that before Titans can even execute a trade. All right, So New Orleans is on the clock. Yeah, they get a loaded quarterback room just with bodies, depending on what you think

about Jamis. They brought in Andy Dalton as well. They finally gave up on the pocket knife project with Taysom Hill, thank god, and now they can start over with Dennis Allen as a head coach. For Sean Payton. I was always thinking Sean Payton was like also in there, really really aggressive. But is it still Mickey Loomis there? Lois still but Jeff Ireland also too, helping out things. You know, they played really the whole season without Michael Thomas last year.

That's they need a receiver too. But yeah, so if they love a receiver enough to make it, I mean you mentioned about Jamison Williams. I mean you mentioned that, you know, and to Chrystal Waby. I mean there's there's a couple of little options there. I think that you can you know, maybe the receiver. The tackle is another one too. They've got If you look at this, ram Check is the right tackle James Hurst playing left tackle for him right now. If it's not a quarterback, I

would get my educated guests would be Trevor Penning. Who's the better prospect between Penning and your number one receiver left? Well, I've got two of them. I mean I've got I've got a Lobby and Williams, both in the first round that are still left on my board. So to me, I think it's gonna be harder for them to find an offensive tackle. That's why I think this. I think

that's why they're making this move. That's that's a scarcity of position like every I mean again, I think about what Will said to us at the combine Will McClay every day, where he's just like you can kind of count on five or six freaky receivers being in every draft. It's like, of course the ones at the top are better, but you can find those guys. How far down is the next tackle you have after penning? It's where the

Bernard Ryman's Central Michigan talking, Yeah, it's okay. So if we clear penning here, I think this is where you might start seeing them work the phones. M I think you're going to get a receiver here. I think you're I think Brian spot On you mentioned I mentioned three. Roger Goodell has the announcement for the Saints, who have moved up with the Commanders. For all thirty two teams and their fans, We've got a similar time two weeks from tonight when we announced the twenty twenty two schedule

on May twelfth. This year's schedule will have a new twist, as our Thursday night games will be carried by a new partner, Amazon Prime Video. Ching joining me our Chargers in chief season ticket members James Debo and Moosevelt. Can I get my first make the pickups? Also here is Pro Football Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez, who will be part of the Prime Video broadcast teaming the regulation. Tony say, thanks, Rogers. How's everybody doing great? I'm excited. Did you play for

the same broadcast recruits for Amazon? You're gonna recognize this guy right here next to me. He's gonna be helping me make this announcement for the Prime Video which will be airing on Week two of the NFL season September fifteenth. Los Angeles running back Austin Ekeler and I guess you can tell probably it's no surprise the first game that we're gonna kick it off is gonna be on the Arrowhead well Thursday nights. But it says at the Chargers And I'll tell you what, Austin, If you you want

my opinion about this game, they just announced a game. Yeah, it's the first Thursday night football game. Look, it doesn't get much better than this. It doesn't get much better than this Thursday football. You got two high power teams battling it out. It's gonna be halfba It's gonna be an amazing thing. Even if you don't rob with the with the Chargers achieved. I know you got me on your fantasy team, so there's no point. I'll watch it. It's gonna be awesome. Awareness I'll tell you what we're

looking forward to it. This broad Week goes back to two years. You're not going to see every time these two teams get together. It's it's closing, it's fireworks, it's touchdowns, great deepens. So we will see you there September fifteenth, all right, So well, those guys announced something for a while. They let them go up there and do that whole promo without the selection. September fifteenth, when we're gonna get our next pick in Bobby, what's going down right now?

It hasn't been announced yet. Rappaport has it. It's not up there yet though you I'm gonna say the trade, all right, yeah, the trade. The Lions are moving up to twelve. They've traded thirty two, thirty four and sixty six to the Vikings for twelve and forty six. All right, now we have to take for the Saints twenty two NFL drafting, the New Orleans Saints select Chris Olave, ride receiver Ohio State. Well, I did look at Twitter for that one. Yeah, that's fine. I'll be honest with you, man,

that's fine. Ohio State receivers going back to back there. How about how I'll steal this line out of Ryan brought us his playbook. The Saints don't care. The Saints don't care. They're gonna go get their players. Yeah, trade away a future one for a defensive end. Sure, move up twice to get a wide receiver. Why not? They like to take a whole draft to go all the way up to get a running back like the Rams. But they're just like, I mean, screw the future. They

still pick. The Rams don't pick. Yeah, the Rams don't pick. The Saints are like, why have three picks when we can make one? Are you surprised that they gave all that up for a Lave? I don't know that that's all that much. I agree. Well, there's maneuvering, right, Like the Eagles sent them some stuff back. Like, it's not like they get Comanders. I'm talking about the first first trade. They got stuff back. It's not it's not like a Ricky Williams situation where they were like take all our picks.

So look, Michael Thomas, Olave Alvin Kamara. I like, I like the pairing. I just that's that's a lot to do for a wide receiver in my opinion, especially, I mean, I like Chris Lave a lot. I think he would have what type of player is fit. He's a technic. He's Terry Glenn with better hands. Wow, that's who he is and an Ohio State comp day. Yeah, well, when you look at the body type. To me, and I've seen Terry Glenn, We've all kind of seen Terry Glenn.

Rookie year at New England, he had ninety receptions. I watched his kid play. He's slippery, he plays in tight spaces really well. He can catch the ball. He's really smart about not taking big hits too. But you watch him play attention to detail with him, ball goes to the sidelines, he catches it both feet down. He's not like a one foot down drag guy. He's a bring both feet He's a very conscious guy about the way

he plays. I think, like I said, when I was watching him play that old school comp, I was kind of thinking Terry Glen with better hands, deep threat ability, one of the more electrocifying receivers in all of college football. He's so crisps, he's so smooth, clean route runner, and he's masterful in This is why I think the Cowboys had him as one of those top receivers on their board. He creates all sorts of separation and he does it at the lion of scrimmage, doesn't waste any time building

some room between him and defender. And I'm happy for him that he went so highly because, like I think people just overlook him because like he's he's a slight guy, Like he's not trailing Burke's with this huge build or Drake London. Uh, he just he's kind of forgettable physically, so people kind of gloss over him in my opinion.

But he's a hell of a football player. I feel like we've talked about poetic justice too throughout this show so far, and the fact that both yeah it is both of the Ohio State receivers going back to back, it just seems to fit a little bit. Yeah, no teammates going together. What special delivery, But John's live delivery put it right there on the table. My good man We'll put it right here this yeah, actually put it right over here by me, please, it's about to say

put it in between me. Hey, look you got some caffeine too. I forgot. We are still live in the radio. Papa John's coming like you never know what's going to happen at the Star man Bobs, never know. Why are the Lions moving up? So a lot of people have them picking a quarterback at the back of the first quarterback eat everything. That's but here's here's here's what's interesting to me. Thank you, Papa John shouts out to Papa John's appreciate it. Oh yeah, that's wonderful, Thank you. I

was so hungry. Um, we're on we're on radio right were what is interesting to me? Here about the trade up? Though, uh New Orleans. When they the way they moved up, Washington got shortered about one hundred points on the trade value chart. The combination of the picks Minnesota got totaled up to fourteen ten and they gave away sixteen forty. And so there's the trade up. It's a buyer's market. If Dallas wants to go up here, if Dallas wants to get up in the mid teens, I don't think

wook us through that again what you just said. Yeah, so according to the trade value charts, yes, New Orleans got like got a value there. Washington got shortered about one hundred points for the value of pickle up. But then when you look at what Minnesota just traded away, which was twelve and forty six, the points there is sixteen forty and what Detroit gave up was thirty two thirty four, and then they also gave up sixty six

and that told it up to fourteen ten. And so they they won that trade by two hundred and thirty points. Two hundred thirty points is the seventy second pick in the draft. Wow, So what's that? That's fast? That's a gap. Break it down for dummies like me. Basically, the nobody thinks the players at the top of this draft are valuable enough to like get a king's ranch. People want depth, They want to get more picks and take less to

move back. Yep, yep. And so I mean if if and more confident that good players will be around, then taking a risk on these this range of picks right here. So if Dallas wants to go up for somebody, whether it be go up for Penning or go up for one of these other guys that they might like. It shouldn't cost him a ton. Who will we pick them for the Lions? Goodell is at the podium, Pallas, it's gotta be Willis. Yeah, quarterback, you wouldn't go for this.

Let use a quarterback. With the twelve pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select Jamison Willman Williams, Oh wow, do you wow? Two moves up for two receivers. Do you want to throw your pin? Dave? I mean I never I never really believed he was never going to be a cowboy. But I love him. I can't. I hope it's okay, dream Jamison. I wish you all the success. Why do you love him? He's he's free, He's Tyreek hill Man. He's fast as all hell.

He catches the football. But like that's it's not he's not just the speed guy. Like he's not just like run a go route guy, Like he is a polished receiver who happens to be fast as all hell. Am I am I off base with any of what I just said. No, no, Now he got hurt in the National championship, right and Bama wins that game if he doesn't. Yeah, that felt like I remember, that felt like their chances got dramatically lowered when Jameson Williams got hurt in that game.

It's been a minute, and I was definitely I was having a few adult beverages while I watched it. But I mean he he terrorized George's defense in the SEC title game, which Bama one going away for Honest, do you have a problem with this from a team building standpoint? Well, you know what I really mean, giving away picks for a bad team. We just got another trade, by the way, big one too, while Philadelphia traded up the thirteen. Okay, now, okay, so that I was kind because I was looking at

Houston was talking about wide receiver. You know, are we starting to see the runs on the wide receivers now here free? Yeah? I don't know, Like who do they like? Here? Is there any who? Is there any receiver left that would go in this range? People? There are a lot of people from verse first. Yeah, I just to me because like I saying, I was, I was. I didn't think like with Troit giving up all that to go up, I kind of felt like it was for that quarterback.

You know, I kind of felt like that that they were not willing to wait till thirty two to get to try and get that guy. So that's why. But Jamison William's going up and getting that pick. I mean, he's my number one wide receiver on the board. There. Their their top trade is ludicrous speed. I don't think I've seen that before. Ludicrous. I mean, it's next level, it really is. He does so many things well on a football field, it's gonna be tough to to see him.

It was tough to see a non quarterback go here, Brian. I mean, he was as confident as anybody was right there with you. I thought this was going to be either pick it or Willis because of the way they went up and jumped up to make the selection at twelve. But the fact that it's it is Williams shows just how highly they regarded Let's focus on the enemy. Now, Why is Philadelphia on the clock? Why did they move to get here? How he loves himself a deal, That's why.

That's you knew, like from the very jump, when when the Eagles had three first round picks, you knew they weren't making them all that's never gonna have. This is an even trade. By the way, this one comes out pretty even because Philadelphia has given up fifteen UM one twenty four, one sixty two, one sixty six just to go up two spots. But those picks, the difference totals up to ninety six, and there was one hundred point gap there between fifteen and thirteen. Let's get some names

out there, fellas. What are we looking at? Bobby Man I burks, I guess I don't. I don't know what they're going up for. Kyle Hamilton, maybe Hamilton. Maybe they like Kyle Hamilton. Are they trying to jump Baltimore? Do they like Jordan Davis? About to say this might be for Jordan Davis. You're right about that. I was about to say that. And if they lose Jordan Davis, does Baltimore want to bail out? Does Dallas call m it'd be funny. This was to replace Jalen Hurts. So the

fifteenth pick now belongs to the Houston Texans. Yeas we're talking about all right, So the Eagles are on the clock. Uh, they look like they won the Carson Wentz deal. They're they're they're they're got to be going for Jordan Davis here. They're they're get ready for that. I think this is where everybody's been talking about Baltimore taking this mammoth defensive tackle. Yeah.

And and and if you follow guys on our sister station b P there in Philadelphia, they were they were talking about the perfect pick, the perfect pick, you know, when they were starting to talk about their guys, Jordan Davis was a guy that they were trying to talk about there, So tell us about him. What's not to say about this guy? I mean, he is mammoth, you know,

and and he's a monster. Yeah. And it's just the rare ability, you know, it's that it's just that, you know, we talk about these guys that are so big and how will they move? And he's active and he's I mean, and I was talking to scouts about him the other day. It's not that he takes up two blockers, he takes up three. You know. That's the kind of thing that you have to do with. I mean, it's hard to

get him off his spot because he's that big. What are the Knox against him to cause him to come here at thirteen when some people just think he's a top five talent. He very well could be a top five player in the draft. It's the factor of at Georgia, he was only utilized in two down situations. He did not play as at times he Yeah, DeVante Wyatt was just as successful from a defensive tackles and point at

times on that defense. It was basically the communication or excuse me, the conflict of whether or not it was because the guys around him were so good or because he was so good. I certainly think Jordan Davis is a phenomenal player, and I think he should be a top ten pick, or at least has top ten talent in this draft. He's gonna go exceptionally high because of his traits. I don't think teams really care about the fact that he was only used in two downs. Okay,

let's be honest too about football. We see this stage and I got in a discussion with people about this, about oh, only we're gonna play thirty five the snaps the nickel, and someone goes, well, well, how about how many snaps his tank playing a game forty forty five fifty, I mean, how many snaps all these defensive linemen. But you talk about if you're playing nickel, maybe this guy's coming off the field, but the other times that he plays, you're not going to run the ball on these guys.

You know. That's the thing about it is and there's everybody plays in a rotating system. Now, yeah, you know, so drafted a guy like this, the one technique makes a lot of sense if they if they pick him. Been a lot to talk about Fletcher Cox leaving there, multiple rumors, so and and Howie Roseman is obsessed with addressing the defensive line. I mean Fletcher Cox, Derek Barnett, Jordan Davis, if he's the pick um Graham going way back, Brandon Graham. I mean, they they throw resources at their

defensive line all the time. I was hoping they go receiver again again because they keep missing there. But maybe Howie, uh the Belichick of the NFC in terms of evaluating wideouts is like, no, let's go with the big fellow and brought us is right about all these rumors that right, the pick that you always want always seems to fall like to the Ravens, it's like, oh are you serious, Oh my gosh. Every year. Actually that's a wonderful point. Sean, Like if Jordan Davis is the play is the pick.

Thank god, somebody finally got in front of the bald range. It's like, it's like, I remember, remember I Todd he Todd heat the Ravens win the Super Bowl and they're like, what do they need? They need a tight end? The best damn tight end goes all the way down to thirty two. Yeah, and they dropped him every freaking year, every year. And how he's like enough enough of this. You know, I'm interested though with with you know, they got Hardgrave there too. I mean, does does Hardgrave? Is

that like a you know, with Javin Hargrave? Does that A? Is that? Do you move him to three? Is that a? Is he a one? What is I mean? If you draft this guy? We're three now? They also really like as a future at three technique, they really like Milton Williams. Milton Williams Yeah, and a third round pick for those guys. Yeah. So the Eagles, I mean, I think we can all agree, but grudgingly, they had a very nice season, was supposed to be, you know, a year in which many people

had them fourth place in the NFC East. This is a judgment year for Jalen Hurts. Uh, and they're always aggressive, and they're being aggressive. They got their one for next year when these quarterbacks, so they got multiple picks, and so if they don't like what Hurts is doing, then they could draft a quarterback. It's funny. And look, I know I know where we are, I know who We're a Cowboys station. But like I've always I admire the way the Eagles run their front office, and I think

it's interesting. Like it seems like Eagles fans have been mad at Howie in recent years because that twenty seventeen team has fallen apart. But hatible name. I mean, sure, how Yeah, you know you can pick at that a lot. I just I'll take his track record throw in a super Bowl on top of it. I think they do a damn good job of keeping their roster maintained. All right, So the Eagles are on the clock, they pick is in. We got the Eagles and the Ravens picks are and

apparently we're just waiting for TV to catch up. Of course we're just sitting around now there. Texans are on the clock at fifteen. We've got two picks in that are just outstanding that we're waiting for. All Right, let's go to the commissioner as he has some company on stage, and Roger Goodell is going to make the selection. Brian brought us be quiet, i'p here at the podium on one O five three the Fan and Dallas Cowboys dot Com. This is a radio technique of dragging it out to

Roger talks hit it. Joining me for the Eagles pick are six high school tackle and flag football captains from teams across Clark County in Las Vegas. They truly exemplified the NFL's values of respect, integrity, resiliency, and responsibility to their teams. Congratulations to all of you on your accomplishments of good luck on the upcoming season. Welcome. The Houston Texas have traded the thirteenth pick to the Philadelphia Eagles. We're the thirteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft.

The Philadelphia Eagles select Jordan Davis. There we go, defensive tackle Georgia. Good guys, well done. Let's come back to talk about that and we'll set you up for the rest of the board. Is We've had a lot of movement here in the last few selections, so it's gonna be Baltimore on the clock, followed by the Texans and then the Commanders who moved down. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. It just started getting fun. I'm one O five through the fan and the Dallas Cowboys

Readio network. So now that Jordan Davis is off the board, I'm gonna go I'm gonna circle right back to Baltimore. And we were just talking about how, oh, finally somebody ends the reign of terror, Baltimore making great picks, and I'm looking at my board and there's one red, blinking, glaring light in Kyle Hamilton's sitting on the board here for Baltimore at fourteen. If they pick Kyle Hamilton's, I

feel like that ragin of terror just continues. That's a top five player in this draft point and he is still sitting here at fourteen. Maybe it may not be the reign of terror of Jordan Davis, which, by the way, the Cowboys are not gonna have to see not only Cabon Thibodeau twice a year, but now they're gonna have to see Jordan Davis twice a year on the opposite side. Do you agree with that, Brian? This would be a

heck of a fortune of fall. Yeah, I really. You know, when you when you start to talk about, uh, you know, what is this guy wearing? Is he wearing the red tape around the jersey's got a little sash. It's like he's just sash colors. Yeah, he's he's got it. It's like a it looks like a soccer jersey. It's kind of an interesting look. But yeah, I'll say this though,

the Ravens, they usually don't get blindsided by stuff. And you know, and I think this is what happens when there's such coverage of the NFL draft and there's so many mock drafts now, and there's so many people talking, and there's so much pressure, like, hey, so and so told me this, so and so. I mean, look what we've done here the last month or so. I mean, look what we've done with the draft show and things

like that. I kind of feel like though that there used to be a time where teams were kind of be able to not telegraph stuff enough, you know, they like they could keep things under wrap. Think at you guys, basically I'm not kissing girls for your end, but you're basically calling the picks and predicting it. Imagine working for a team. Well, that's the thing about it is that you go in when you're doing these mock drafts to

the team the benefits. You know, back in the day, we didn't have the benefit of like, oh, well, Daniel Jeremiah is doing a mock draft, Bobby Belt's doing a mock draft. Oh Bucky Brooks is doing a So you you almost had to do it yourself. And now and when you go in and you're starting to study about these teams, you're kind of like going, oh, well, what is there? What is their beat? Writers are saying? What

are fans saying about? And you could start projecting if the names keep showing up enough, then, like, I think how in them had an idea that Baltimore was a team that was really looked at. George Baltimore doesn't say anything right, Baltimore is not a leaking team. But all of a sudden, there just was enough up of a ground swell that people thought perfect fit, perfect fit in

Philadelphia's like, hell with that, let's go ahead of them. Yeah, you know, And so I kind of feel like though that the Ravens, I don't know if they got blindsided, but they kind of had an idea that potentially something like this was gonna happen. And the Ravens are one of these teams. I mean you covered him for a while. I mean you're from there. They just sitting there and make the pick. Yeah, they're not gonna they're not gonna

freak out, They're not gonna panic. I know Eric da Costa who took over for Ozzie and he was a Ozzie's protege, and they'll just say, all right, we'll just pick the next player. We get the homework, we'll take the next one. Well. And also going on the back end of what Brian saying here, seeing these scenarios working out in the way that it's worked out right now, Bobby came into today and credit to Bobby saying that his gut feeling was that the Cowboys would trade up

and go get Trevor Penning. If right now at fourteen, Kyle Hamilton indeed is the pick, and I'm once again I'm not looking at anything. I've got my own board in front of I mean, if Kyle Hamilton's the pig, then we go to fifteen, the Houston Texans are sitting there, then it's the Commanders, then it's the Chargers in fifteen, sixteen seventeen. Yeah, that could be a target area where

the Cowboys don't have to give up a ton. They could still keep their second round pick and still go up and get a guy like Trevor Penning who's staying on the board through the mid teens. Here. Yeah, I think that the mind field again you're gonna have to walk is that Chargers at seventeen. You know, I mean we we were talking about who are the players that like with Zion Johnson, what are the what are the teams if you're interested in Zion Johnson, I'm here in

offensive lineman at the Chargers. You know very well what New Orleans right there, right at at nineteen is that is that it's still got is that still their picks? You know? New Orleans could use an offensive tackle right there. You know we were mentioned in that, you know, so to me, I kind of feel like though that you know that you're gonna have to deal with New England is another one that you're gonna have to do it. See.

See there's there's these tackles, these offensive technically if you're thinking about trying to get for Penny you might have to go up, like you know, you're gonna have to maybe find a way to get up to head of the Chargers if you can there with Washington on the clock there, all right, let's get ready with the Ravens on the clock, followed by the Texans and Washington. Nobody paid me or asked me to say this, but pretty good. Do we need to take some in there? Yeah? Probably

Sean Tree. Brian brought us David Helm and Kyle Yeomans and our Cowboys insider Bobby Belt. Things getting very interesting with New Orleans moving. The Philadelphia Eagles just jumped to Baltimore Ravens. We think to select the monster Jordan Davis, and now Baltimore's pick his in. Here's Roger Goodell at the podium and number fourteen. In the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select Kyle Hamilton, defensive Notre Dame.

All right, good call Kyle Yeoman's. Just when we're laughing at Baltimore, they're like, okay, we'll take a player that some had in the top six or seven. Gosh, that's such a Baltimore pig. Yeah, they do. They do things too well. Up there to be thrown off too hard by Jordan Davis. Oh Man, Jordan Davis is off the board. Let's go get the long range. He defensive back that takes snaps all over the field. He has that high motor. He has the ability to play all around the entire defense.

He can play in the box, he can play in the deep third, plays in the slot. He's a coverage guy at times, Brian, and you mentioned earlier there's some con in terms of his change of direction, maybe a step in the bucket from time to time, but ultimately this is the most rangey and athletically talented corner or excuse me, safety that we've seen him a couple of years. Yeah, and you know, it's funny because some of these you

can literally watch him play in the slot. And I don't know if I really want him to cover in the slot all the time, but as a changeup. But what's interesting also two is the Baltimore Ravens with a new defensive coordinator there, Wink Martindale no longer. Now Wink is at the Giants, You're gonna have to worry about him. So, yeah, this is a team that always we talk about it at the drafts the way they're able to. They don't get faced by that who's the next best defensive player

on their board? That's when the tags and stuff are, you know, taken down. And Kyle Hamilton clearly is on my board. He was the eleventh best player, so kind of right where he I think he was going to be taken. Twenty three no longer belongs to the Arizona Cardinals. Okay they have. The Ravens have traded Hollywood brown and pick number one hundred twenty three. Okay, so we're getting wild, now we are. We're getting wild here. Hollywood just went

where to the Cardinals? Of the Cardinals? Whoa? So the Ravens need a receiver? And are they gonn Let's get ahead of Dallas for Burks. I don't know, but the Cardinals just solved. If they were going to get ahead of somebody, you would think it would be the Packers because there's been smoke there about Burks as well. Wow, so the Texans are on the clock. Washington is then picking next at number sixteen. That it's already in for Houston.

Arizona has gone from the first round. Now yep, so that take that Seger So that is why do you say that, because Peter Scheger's got in the pick right four years in a row he was, he was, that's called the trade up. Yeah he didn't, but that's what you're worried about because he two years. I mean, the last two last mock drafts were Zion Johnson. You know, this thing is kind of I think is actually, you know,

we'll see. I mean, I know there's some teams that need some of these offensive linemen and stuff like that, but you like the way it's kind of lining up for the Cowboys right now. I think I'm okay with what's what's what's going on right now. I'm glad to get Arizona out of the way, you know, I really am.

I think that was a team if you're interested in Zion Johnson, that was a team I kind of because again Peter Schreeger, Bobby just mentioned the last four years he's nailed Arizona's mock and what do you do this first mock he picked Zion Johnson. Second mock, he picked Zion Johnson. So that was something plugged in. I mean absolutely. He was kind of the first nationally to talk about Trayvon Walker going one. Yeah, and he is tight with McVeigh, so he's going to get the Rams pick as well

well on Saturday at like five o'clock the fourth. I mean, you're not wrong. He will get it right. I'm just trying to think. I'm doing math here thinking. Okay, guys, we think the Cowboys, like Burke's is still there, Zion's still there, Green is still there, Penning is still there. That's what I'm saying. Lloyd is still there. I'm at this point do they sit and they just go? Somebody will be there. I think they're going to. I really do. Depends on how hell ben't they are on getting an

offensive line. Bobby first round. You've been really good about analyzing the ups and downs with the with the price to go up, Are we still in a good buyers market? Are we? Are we starting to flip this thing around? I mean it changes it a little bit just because you don't know, Like, Okay, what does Hollywood Brown w here we go with the Texans selection of fifteen? Okay, the Houston Texans select Kenyan Green. I'll tell you what. When we talked about we talked about this pre show,

Lantzer line nailed this pick. Lanzer line if we were Texans connections. Yeah, the Texas connections up there. He nailed them. Houston, he nailed this pick. He and his mock draft, he had Kenyon Green going to the Houston to the Hut. Producer Troy Hughes, our producer tonight is heartbroken because this is the Texas a and m Aggie tell us about him. I think this is one of those picks that kind of puts your war room in gear if you're the Cowboys,

because you didn't expect this to happen. There's no way outside of zerline, there's no way Kenyan Green was in the top fifteen from January on. He was going to fall to the to the twenty fours. The questions about the knee because of the injury, Yeah, I mean he's He's a fantastic football player. You talk about exceptional lower

body strength. He plays with strong hands, doesn't let go, he doesn't necessarily let go of his blocks at all, and he did so against the best competition and all over the line of scrimmage for the Agge's in the SEC throughout his career. He does have the occasional misstep from time to time, as does any lineman that plays against that sort of competition, but he's usually able to recover, and he's able to move on the run as well.

The knee is a question mark, and I know the Cowboys certainly we're questioning his health moving forward enough to take him at twenty four, but at fifteen, that's pretty a high price to pay for a guy. They must have really liked something they saw in him. If you want, if you want me to be honest, and you always have to be delicate about this type of stuff, and we, I mean, we lay it out there about the concerns. I don't know if Dallas would have drafted him at

twenty four. I don't think they because they were worried that worried about the knee. Maybe depending on what was available to them, maybe they do it. But I think, to use your terminology, Brian, I think this is a fake pen throw for the Cowboys where they're like, ah damn, somebody else took a chance on the guy with the knee, go for it. Yeah, No, just as a player. I think they like they love him as a well, but I think they're worried enough about his health that they

wouldn't have done it. Yeah, And I think That's the thing. My assumption is that Green would be ranked higher for them than Johnson was. But I think they would have taken Johnson if it came down to those two. I

think they would have taken Johnson at that point. And me saying that this gets you into gear from a war room standpoint, is as high as he was taken because even with the concern around his health and around the knee, they still expected him to go in the twenties or at least that's what the thought process is. That he was going to wait until the latter half of the first round. He wasn't supposed to go in the teams. Now does the price go up on Zion Johnson?

That's my thing is is Trevor Penning Zion Johnson? Is are these the last chance efforts to go up and get an offensive tackle or an offensive guard if they wanted to really upgrade the offensive line spot. So now we need to do some math, not just trade math Washington on the clock, by the way, but count the players that you'd be happy with on your board falling

to twenty four. How much we think are the Cowboys both I think right now you're looking at primarily in my opinion, I think you'd be looking at Penning, Zion Johnson, and Trailing Burks. Yeah, those are the three names I had. Yep, maybe a Devin Lloyd in there a few more. That's only three. That gets me to eighteen. It's well, I mean, yeah, so pick sixteen is in for Washington. Chargers are on

the clock. The thing is that where your offensive line threats here between you and between now and your pick? Chargers are they are? The Saints? Are the Patriots are? Yeah? The Patriots I was hearing. I was hearing possibly Zion Johnson or Lloyd linebacker. Yeah. Yeah, It's funny. All the guys we said Washington loved are gone, Like I don't know what I don't know what they do here? Receiver

take a tackle? Is there? Receiver? Who are the receivers left? Burst? Um, there's Burks, there's Pickings, there's Hants, and that would be that would be shocked. They just are we going to get the Cowboys war room camera this year? I think it's been up a couple it's been up a couple of times. It's been a little it's been a little chilling. There is right there, Oh there, it is right there.

Thank you Dallas Cowboys dot com. Uh, and then I always like to stalk out that activity to see if they're on the phone for any potential trade or move up or right now they are sitting and they are chilling. JJ's not even in there, not a whole lot of activity. Huh. Yeah, they're they're they're sitting back. I think you're sitting there just wondering where old mister Zions going or if he will.

I think they're sweating that one right now. But you know, if if you see them start working the phones, you know, maybe they feel like that they've got to go and you know they can't wait for that. Now. When you gave those three names, where those your names or you think their names? I think those are their names. Okay, I would out of those names, I'm alone. Nobody wants fix the offensive line, I would. I love Burks. I

love trailing Burks at Arkansas. Yeah. I think Stephen Jones loves Trail because he went to Arkansas because his son, his son was a quarterback. That they know about this player, yeah, they absolutely know about this player. And that's the thing about it is that I feel like though that maybe the coaching staff Bobby correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe the coaching staff not as high on this guy. I mean, I just think there's probably like a lot of debate

and a lot of split. I mean, that's what we've heard like leaking out recently, right, Like there's a split in there, and there's and one of the things that I think is important is Robert Prince, I know the receiver's coach. He wants polished route runners. That's who who he's very high on. And I don't know that that's not Burks. Burks is all traits and upside. And it was a Maria polished Yeah, Samaria the polished Yes. Sorry, oh oh, I get it now. I thought you meant

as a prospect. I was like, yes, no, yes, yes, Amari Cooper is better than whatever they're going to come out of this draft with. Probably, you know, I didn't know. I wasn't trying to be that negative date. I was just trying to do it drive by sarcastic shot. But I'd like you like to explain the negativity a little bit more. There we go. So here we go. The Commander's pick is in with Roger Goodell at the podium,

number sixteen. Thanks pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Washington Commanders select John Dudson, whoa wide receivers rich. That's really rich. That that would be shocking, And that's what happened. All right, We're we're living up to the hypeer fellas, there's something well, I mean, we've already seen a million trades. We've yes there and there's one coming down the line as well. And that's a perfect tease on one oh five through the fan and the Dallas

Cowboys radio network. Y'all. A J. Brown's getting traded to Philadelphia. Yeah, that's why the Titans. That makes sense. Wow, Kyle, I should have said it when we were back up on the stream. A J. Brown's going to Philly, guys for that pick. I didn't see the terms because if that's the pick, I think this is Burks. All right, reset all this. So where are we at here? Let's see what pick? Are we at seventeen officially on the television side of things, and so Philly's on the clock at eighteen.

There's been a lot of chatter about Burt Traylan Burks to the Packers. Traylan Burks to the Packers, that's who who everybody's been connecting them with. With Philly sitting there at eighteen, you knew A J. Brown was unhappy. The very first comparison I heard for Traylan Burks from an NFL scout was AJ Brown eighteenth overall pick and a

third to be determined. This is Burks. I think this is Tennessee going up to get Burks wild because I had, I had, and I think I talked about that on on G Bag today that that was that I was here in Tennessee just trying to jump up ahead of Green Bay to get Burks. Um. What do we think about Howie Roseman getting a J. Brown to go along with Davante? I think that this Eagles team is going to be very well positioned for the quarterback that they draft to run it next year. That's what I think.

What did they give up for a J this pick and a third round? A third rounder? Here, we have a pick is already in for the Chargers. Let's go. We might lose our guy here, guys. Twenty two NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select Zion oh Goshen College left and then the upper cut. Yeah, in back to back selections. Now you are and now you're gonna lose Burks. I think, welcome to wipe out scenario. Everybody, Wow, Penning is there

outside Finning. You're just penning your hopes on that or I'm just now that the fact that, the fact that the fact that Penning is starting to slip down a little bit and stuff just makes me go, Okay, well, maybe maybe that was wrong. Maybe I was wrong about hearing how much they liked him, because I'm surprised they haven't gone up. Man. See that's the thing we were talking about it, Bobby. I mean, you had some really good intelligence. I know, I was talking to some other

people around the league seventeen, twenty one, twenty three. Those were all Zion Johnson potential landing spots. And now you're gonna get Titans take Titans will take Burks. I think. I think that's where we're heading here. And then Saints at nineteen could that be Penning? There you go? There you go. I think now you're now you're looking at your wipeout. Yeah, there you are. Hey, Tyler Linderbaum's still there. Everybody,

let's just keep that in mind. I know they probably won't do it, but I would love that so let's get used to disappointment in this industry. Let's say okay, let's says, let's operate under this this thought. Would it goes Burkes and then Penning? Who are we talking about? Tyler? Tyler Smith? I think we're talking about Tyler Smith. Wow. I would take Lloyd or somebody like that, or bomb or I mean, I know they won't do I think Lloyd goes to the Patriots or they if they bail

out me. Yeah, but there's no I don't think there's anybody to come up. Well they got Lloyd is a name to consider it until he's gone. At least, let's put it that should be yeah, Because I think I'm again we all we all know this. I don't even want to look at Twitter right now. I don't um. We know that most of these guys are going to be second round grades. Like I think Tyler Smith is a second round grade, but I don't know Lloyd's grade.

Maybe Lloyd is a first round grade and hopefully well we know they they play it fast and loose with their grades when they need to, though they're not afraid to. M man. A lot of the phone's getting worse. I mean, I'm looking at my phone and I just well, and Bobby, you brought it up a minute ago. You're surprised that they haven't gone up yet. They I mean, we've been taking peaks in at the war room. They haven't even picked up the phone yet. I mean even from a call,

they haven't picked it up to done. Can we go to war room camera now? Can we see if they're to call them anybody yet? Well, somebody on a good point from somebody on Twitter, it's fair to call this this is a Jermaine Johnson free fall at this point. Boy, hey, Brian, not for me, Brian, not just for you. Trust your you. You can trust your guys because because your people told you a long time ago. Media is wrong on Johnson. They have Johnson way higher Scoop point. He has brought

that up on multiple occasions. So they were right, because I mean, this is already way higher than people thought Johnson was gonna go. It was pick one on one, by the way, to add to the pick or the trade for a J Brown rather so the Titans get pick one on one. This pizza is really good, is it? Nobody's paying me or asking me to say it. It's good. Thank you, Papa John's very well, that's clutch. I got my caffeine fix. Not just ready to go, ready to go? We could do it. Yeah, thanks a h. So we

got two TVs up here. If I get if I get my other TV option, I'll be in heaven, be ready to go for four am. Here we go. All right, guys, it feels like we just took a nasty combination in the ring. Maybe I thought it was two shots. It may have been three shots right then? With what just happened Sean Sharif, Kyle Yeoman's David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com our head scout, Brian brought us and Bobby Belt,

our Cowboys insider. The Philadelphia Eagles have traded for a J. Brown AJ, one of these receivers not happy with his current contract situation. He doesn't have to worry about it in Tennessee any longer. He's going to the Eagles. And what else happened on the board before the Cowboys pick at twenty four? As you guys were talking about this wipeout scenario. Now, so you get Zion Johnson going seventeen to the Chargers. That's somebody they wanted. This is eighteen

to pick us in. We don't know what it is yet to this Tennessee going up. This has gotta be Burkes, Bobby, who I kept doing all day. They wanted to go up and gets because trailing Burk's receiver in Arkansas. And like I said, the very first comp I got from somebody in the NFL about Burks was they said, A J. Brown, So, okay, let's go get a J. Brown again, jackal and on a rookie deal and not upset with things. Well, we'll

just go get the younger version of them. Now did the Cowboys, Brian, how much do they love Johnson Zion Johnson? And how much did they like Burks? Yeah? I think that to me. When you started that, the hope was that maybe you were going to maybe have a chance today when the day started, you were going to get Burks, Johnson and then also Green. Those were the day, all those names, and now they're all likely going to be gone.

Here A J. Brown just got an extension to what is it for four years, one hundred million, fifty seven guaranteed a year. It was a mari making. Has a J. Brown had a thousand yards season? It's almost as if that was a reasonable salary to pay a probram You guys, do you guys think that they really misjudged had a thousand yards and twenty where the wide receiver market was going sidebar because it was hard to see that Tyreek was gonna get thirty right, we were at twenty twenty

one and then took it to twenty five. This might have been personal moving on at this point, moving on from Amari, like saving money was part of it, But there's more to it than that. There's that contract was one of the better ones they've done in recent memory in terms of like it was. It was an affordable price for a guy of his caliber, and they structured it so that they could get out of it like they It didn't hurt them to trade him. It wouldn't

have hurt them to cut him. It was a very favorable contract and they didn't want it anyway, which leads me to believe to Brian's point, it was about more than just money. All right, Sorry, bitter side note is the biggest gut punch of ball Zion Johnson gone. I think the chargers. The fact that both of the guards are already gone and we haven't even hit picked twenty. That sucks. I think. Yeah, that was the fact that

they probably had him penciled into maybe play center. You know, they were trying to fix some things that way too. So we'll see. I'm over. I'm over hearing about this positional value stuff like obviously quarterbacks and edge rushers and cornerbacks are gonna end tackles like that holds true, but people are like cowboys can't take a guard at twenty four. That's not good positional value. Okay, Well, the two that they were targeting went fifteenth and seventeen. They're gone. Stop.

So you're looking at a short list of names of Tyler, Linderbaum, Tyler Smith. Here we go quick with the Titans selection at eighteen. Have traded the eighteenth pick to the Tennessee Titans. With the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select Trailing Burkes. We'll call Bobby. You were on that all day, puzzle pieces, Bobby Bell, well

done putting them together, putting them together. So now trying to put together that list Linderbaum, Tyler Smith, Rever Penning, debn Lloyd, Nakobe Dean. That's five names with six picks remaining until the Cowboys selected twenty four. You feel pretty good that it's going to be one of those guys. I mean I feel like right now, I feel like Pennings. I don't know, but I feel like Penning could be

coming here with the Saints at nineteen. Yeah, could be. Um, they got to replace Armstead, So I mean he's a he's a good athlete like Armstead. Yeah, Um, are we fine with a linebackers? On? Who else is there? I think I think if they lose Penning in the next few picks, I think we're looking at Tyler Smith. Please give me. How can I run across the way? You can I run? That's how this works. I thought Linder Bam was you know a fan favorite? Are you not

feeling it? Fan favorite? Yeah? And that again that's I mean, we joke, but like that's what I always trying to tell people. Like, let's talk about him. He Brimington Award winner best center in college football, dominated the Big Ten, his tape as clean as hell. Man, Like, I mean, he gets to the second level, he does all the stuff you want your center to do. I've never seen I've never seen a player that's traits deficient play as great as he does. And I mean trade because I

thought you guys were gonna have a problem with it. Now. See, the league doesn't like him because he's lighting the butt. Yeah, and he doesn't have like the ideal like size and length that you would ask. This team has a history of playing with a small center, Mark Stepnoski. They went Super Bowls with a light center. Okay, I get it, it's twenty something years ago. But this kid, you watch him play, we talk about it. He's smart, he's tough,

he could cut a defense in half. I mentioned that that's the one thing when you watch, when you watch Travis, Travis's Travis Frederick is not a difficult name. No I was, no, No, I know, but but my thoughts were going to my head. But see, that's that's the thing about it is you watch him play second level, You watch him reach wide, you watch him get out on sweeps and screens and stuff like that, and this is what this guy does. But they don't want a six two two ninety six

pounds center. They just don't. I mean, he that's all he could play as center. Yeah, you know, so that's that's why they probably are against it. That goes back to I always frame it this way, but he might be the out of the box pick though that Jerry Jones was talking. I mean, if they get cleaned out, I don't think you can rule it out. But that's why I always tell people. I'm like, yeah, I'll give you my opinion, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day because they're the ones that are over

there with the telephone. All right, uh so let me ask a This might be a dumb question, but Kurloft just do anything for anybody. Yeah, I like him. I don't know that they I don't think they Yeah, I don't know what was your question, Sean, Sorry, my question was going to be about their evaluation of offensive Lineman as of late, like Tyrnn, Zach Fine, Travis Good, Connor

Williams just left here. Um Leo Collins. I don't know how you grate that the person I think the way it worked out, I mean, yeah, be honest, was a fourth rounder, but everyone's looking to replace him. How do you feel about there? Don't forget about McGovern either, McGovern that's probably the biggest one. They were head over second round grade on that. So my question is, like you know, every team usually like nails a position and we're like,

all right, there you go, Cowboys offensive lineman. How do we feel about that? Now, that's a really good question. They haven't necessarily invested a ton though up front firm firm disagree, I mean Smith, okay, Connor Williams was a second round pick. Connor was picked fifty. McGovern was pick with it. They had him graded at the top and I already said that I agree with you in that regard because that's the biggest glaring miss right now. But outside of that, what have they done? Io Collins was

a low risk, high reward sort of pick. They've invested two top one hundred picks an interior lineman that didn't give them back what they were Probably they didn't they trade up for be honest, they did. They went up for I know, the fourth round, but it doesn't matter. They still invested capital to go up. And now they're going, well, is he's smart enough? Yeah? Or does he have the

IQ to do this? Like, I mean, you're so. I was just wondering when we were all when everyone was talking about Cowboys offensive line, I was like, is is it as a big a lock? As I used to just think the funny the funny argument. Uh, people say it all the time. They're like, well, you shouldn't need five first round picks to have a great line, right, the Cowboys have not found a ton of great lineman that world first round picks. Yeah, that's a it's a

very valid critique. You kind of need the Saints right here to take this quarterback, right, yes, yeah, I don't think they're going to though. I think this is our tackle. Okay, I think this is Penning. He's looking at Twitter. I did not no, no, no, no, no, no, did no. Actually I haven't seen anything about on Twitter. I'm saying it's like it fits like Armstead, he's athletic, Like they need a left they didn't need a tackle. I mentioned that.

But if if, if you're in a if you're the Cowboys draft room and you're thinking about taking Penning, you're you're like praying right now that the Saints just go ahead and take this quarterback. So let's just it's probably your right, it's probably not gonna happen. Let's reset what has happened. Jordan Davis at thirteen goes to the Eagles and a trade up Hamilton, the safety goes to the Ravens at fourteen. Green the aggie from A and m

up phrasing number fifteen. Yeah, I mean props to landcer Line. And we talked about this day before on the g Back Nation Bobby all Us, we all talked about that that landzer Line mocked him, and everybody's I must think, Hey, keep us something in mind here if you like Green, he got just mocked by And we were talking about scouts and these guys that have connections in the league. Man,

he nailed that one. Good for him. So then at sixteen, Washington made a pick that you guys seemed to say, huh, yeah, Johnson, he's a good player. He's a good player, and it shouldn't be a surprise to see him go in the first round. But most people thought maybe more toward the back half. He's he's a very slight guy. Uh, he's he's a slot receiver, like can I think he is? Yes? Here we go with Goodell. Let's see if this is

a quarterback or the tackle or service members. And although serving our great nation domestically and around the world with the nineteenth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, didn't Orland sakes like Trevor Penning tackle quo, good job, Bobo. Now I don't feel good about any of this, Okay, So compare this feeling to last year there was panic also, yeah, and that the corners went you had to settle from Michael Parson. Yeah. No. Look, look, I mean like, this

isn't that my ideal situation. I have come to the point and this is the line I've been preaching on one O five through the fan for a while. Now. I've gotten a point where I just like blindly trust what the scouting staff is going to do, the work that they're gonna do. I'm gonna trust that they're gonna find me a good player, no matter what I may or may not like think of the player. The track record speaks for itself, and so to me, it's like

I'm trusting the scouting staff. So look, if this pick is Nakobe Deane, if it's George Carloftus, if it's you know, Tyler Smith, if it's any name we haven't even talked about yet, then I'm gonna trust that they're gonna get it right. But this is this is but that's a little bit different from running out of options. You know what I mean, Like, it's it's easier for me to trust you're going to get it right at ten than twenty four when they had fifteen first grade. We haven't

seen them work the phones. We haven't seen them on the phone trying to go up, So they must feel comfortable enough if they lose those guys. Did you guys in any of your scenarios, have all these guys gone? No, not really. I tried running it through. I tried to create scenarios where they'd all be gone. Well, these are guys that I thought would be not on the board at all, to add to kind of the list of names that we thought would be there. George Karloftus I

thought would be gone. I thought Nakobe Dean and Devin Lloyd had a good shot one of those two would be gone. They're both still sitting there. Davante Wyatt maybe in that conversation, but outside of that, No, I feel like the Cowboys were wiped out of their targets. But then they have these other guys that are sitting there too that could potentially I'm looking to play a fact.

I wonder, like how many of the guys that we really penciled in as like guarantees to go or left, Like I would say Jermaine jo in his one yep. I would say, um, Devin Lloyd is one yep to Vante Wyatt, and then everything else is kind of a crapshoot. I just I wonder how much these last twelve or thirteen picks, Like how crazy is it gonna get? I just I didn't see. I didn't see it. Like when we talked about could you get a scenario where they

were all gone? I always had like generally the worst case scenario I got to was the only one left was Green. Yeah, And that made me a little and that made me a little like ah, because I don't know how well they feel about his knee, So that was the one that I could. But I mean, with Green gone, it's like, wow, you don't even have that as an option. Now. Did they know this was going

to happen? Though? That's my thing because the Tyler Smith has been telegraphed for a long time, So did they have an idea that they could be wiped out of the names that we've been talking about for so long? I mean, shout out to melt Keiper who had that as his pick. In like January. I think, I mean we did it. We did. Like we touched on him on the Draft show early on. Who is he? He guard tackle out of Tulsa, played played tackle at Tulsa translates to guard in the prosum And what the reason

I bring it up? He's like, it must have been January or February. Kiper mocked him and we got inundated with questions about him because they were like, who is this dude that mel Kiper thinks we're gonna take um? I brought us. You have a second round grade on him? I mean, Brian, you read your scouting report because you take notes on all these guys. Yeah. I was trying to get there right. He's a local kid. Time a little more time for fort Worth. Uh? He born and

raised in Fort Worth. He was North Crowley High alum. Yeah, I mean he's from around here. He was a Dallas Day participant. They had him in here when they did their Dallas Day. Ye, so maybe we would have been tipped off if he was not a Dallasday guy. Maybe would have been tipped off if they would have had him in for thirty does it? Yeah, he's he's Scotsman Press that way, he's six five, he's three twenty four.

I think, to me, it's more he tries to bully the defender instead of working his feet in his hands together, because you tend to see him get called for holding penalis and stuff like that. He's more of a catcher than a strike or a punch. He kind of lets the defender get close and then he grabs and throws him to the ground. And the two games I studied was Ohio State. Okay, he had three holding calls against him, and you just got rid of a guard that has

holding calls against him. But this guy is much much bigger. He's gonna come off the ball with good initial quickness. He tends to wait for the defender to kind of get to him, and then he'll, like could say, he'll try and he'll work that guy wide and push him past the quarterback. But I mean, this is a This is guys could get some move in the running game because he's a big man and he's got some power

to him. So play off of your penalties. Sixteen combined penalties in twenty twenty one, twelve of those were holding calls. Good thing the Cowboys didn't have a problem with that last year. By the way, this has to be quarterback here, right, This is will the first quarterback. There's another team that sits there and just lets the board come to them and they just get players Willis. Willis was the guy who was most strongly linked to them during this process.

Port Kenny Pickett, who didn't I wouldn't wouldn't have to move. He's got a walker already. Harris, who let's see who JAREMYA had them taking. How did you guys have as your top quarterback? Pick it for me? Pick it Corral. I mean it's funny because, like I don't think in terms of being able to play right now, I would not pick Willis, But in terms of upside, I absolutely would like He's probably the one I would be most

intrigued to draft but not play. In twenty twenty two, Rager mocked Willis, Danberg learned Daniels Jeremiah mocked to pick it here. This has to be quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the clock at twenty then New England at twenty one. I could be the linebacker right there. I want Tomlin. I want Tomlin to do like real Pittsburgh stuff and just take Lloyd or Dean like, screw you, guys, We'll make it work. We're gonna win every game thirteen to ten. Got Miles Jack here, got T J. Watt,

got Cameron Hayward, Packers and the make of Fitzpatrick. Yeah, we're just gonna win every game seventeen thirteen. Then the Packers at twenty two, Baltimore at twenty three, Cowboys at twenty four. As the pick is getting ready to come up here to the podium, let's see if this is the first quarterback taken of the twenty twenty two draft with Roger Goodell? Is that is that Franco joined by Lowell Frank, I think he does it. I think he does it every year for these guys. Okay, here we go.

Franco season marks of one of the most memorable moments in NFL history incomplete. During the final seconds of the nineteen seventy two AFC Divisional Game, Franco Harris made an improbable catch known as the Immaculate Reception. He here with us tonight to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of that moment and to announce the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Please welcome Pro Football Hall of Famer Franko. Hairs. I can't

wait to hear what this reaction wasn't seeing the name here? Okay, Oh my gosh, hello, it's big it this is graz I love this. I love home. Okay, with the twentieth pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Chillers. So look, Kenny pick willis no pressure, kid, It's just your hometown expecting you to be the quarterback of the future. Kenny pick It, the first quarterback at number twenty to

the Pittsburgh Steelers. We are getting closer. The Patriots are on the clock and the Cowboys are coming up at twenty four. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. On one oh five to be the fan in the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Kenny pick It, Yes, he can boy those hands cold Weather City. Oh good point. That's ballas the class. But they figured out, they figured out

he could play. But like you said, this guy is like I say when you watch him play, He's got the two gloves like Teddy Bridgewater plays with, you know, and the mobility and the awareness in the pocket, the athletic ability he's got. Feel he could see the rush. He can move where he gives himself the best chance to deliver the ball. He never appears to be throwing the ball with his feet set, which is kind of funny.

He kind of dances around a little bit in the pocket, but his arm strength allows him to get away with it. I think this guy can make all the throws easily, and I also see a guy that shows no fear when it comes to delivering the ball. He's my only first round quarterback that I had, so I like him a lot more than I guess others in this room. I mean, but there's times when you see him throw across his body or throwing the middle of the field, but the vision and he sees how the defense is

playing him to find the open man. His eyes always appear up and down the field. So I really like this guy how he can avoid and spin out of trouble when he needs to do that. This is a guy who really Lee rose, not during the draft process, but really rose from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. This is a guy that like talking to people around the NFL like he was not on the radar as a first round pick. Not quite the same degree as Burrow,

but like a similar situation. Yeah, Like you talk to anybody before this past season, they were like different guy came in played this season, was a different guy than people had seen on tape. And so I mean this is somebody who really genuinely like made the most of his senior season here and really rose up. Now. I want to put it on the record as well, along with broad Us in talking about if there was a first round quarterback, this would have been the guy for me.

And you look at the situation that he's going into there, it's a completely new wide receiver room that he's gonna have to deal with. Of course, no Juju Smith Schuster anymore. They do have Chase Claypool. He has some targets to throw the football too. But I still think this system in that town, of course, that he's very much so accustomed to, I think he's gonna have some success even in the early parts of his career. Yeah, there's gonna

be at a learning curve. But it's a different type of learning curve because he's going to see playing time pretty much immediately. He won't have to sit behind well he was starter and move forward. They got the bridge in Trubisky. We don't forget about Trusty. So Trubisky will play there first and then pick Itt can sit there. And Chill brought us who did your name? Is? The aggressive teams? I said, the Saints? Who else did you name?

I think Kansas City coming from the bottom of the board too, and the Kansas City Chiefs all right, yeah, New England has traded back, So who are they coming up for? Because I mean they needed a receiver, but what receivers are left? They could be getting George Karloft this year too. So Albert Brier had a note in his thing today that He's and Arizona traded out of

the first round. He said Arizona was trying to trade back, and if they traded back, he said he thought there was a chance that karloftas fell completely out of the first round because Arizona was the only place that he might go. I saw that too, and said he's heard that like some teams around the league have karloftis as a fourth rounder, Oh wow, which I think is nuts

to me. There's people, there's people that will argue that he is maybe he is what he is, which is well, just like you know, like it was like a good steady player that can't there's no what is it, Dave. He ain't twitchy, he doesn't have a high ceiling like, he ain't gonna blossom into a double digit solid Yeah, yeah, solid, the very dependable player. He's been playing football since he

was like fifteen, that's when he started playing football. I just think it's od that people go always hit the ceiling. You don't want to started playing football five years ago. He doesn't have the athletic traits. Could be right? Could this be for George Pickens. They always kind of like they liked those those Georgia players from receiver. Right here we go, Kansas City on the clock, coming back to

the radio side. We got more movement. Vegas set the over under drafts in the first round at three and a half. The Kansas City Chiefs have Jess moved up. Now. A lot of the talk was gonna be replacing Tyree Hill. Yeah, making sure Pat Mahomes has weapons. Cowboys are at twenty four. Kansas City. Brian brought us on the clock right now at twenty one. Yeah, this New England moves back. Yeah, and again this is everybody was kind of talking about

Green Bay needing receivers. There's another team. Everybody's talking green Bay, Green Bay. You know, if you look at and again landon Zerline, I'm talking to him again or about him. He had Kansas City trading ahead of Dallas for Chris a Lobby coming down the board. This was a couple of weeks ago on his mock draft. So now everybody, it looks like the next receiver could be at Green Bay if in fact, you know, because they were talking about a guy. They were talking about Pickens with me

at twenty eight. Pickens is who. Yeah, he's from from Georgia, from Georgia. Receiver from Georgia. So we will see, I mean, and now maybe Green Bay's focusing now on Jermaine Johnson, the edge rusher from Florida State was another guy that I'd kind of heard about. Here we go, let's see who Casey moved up for. Patriots have traded the twenty first pick took the Candy City Chief Red. The twenty

first pick is a twenty twenty two NFL drag. The Kansas City Chiefs like Trent McDuffie, a cornerback, good player, good pick. Dave Hellman, I love the pick and I'm as a as a fellow short king I have. I have a lot of sympathy for guys that get overlooked. Only he's a damn good player and he happens to be five ten with shorter arms. That's that's really all there is to it, in my opinion. NFL teams uh that I talked to said like, if you need a

plug and play like cornerback starter, get McDuffie. Like McDuffie is the the guy that will come in and immediately be a difference maker for you. Everything I've heard about him, he is a football fiend, like like he's grown up in a football family and just that's what he eats, sleeps and breeds and so he's Uh, the biggest thing is just his arms are like twenty eight inches. Let's let's set this up. You've got something real quick though.

I Mean, there's people that think that maybe Kyler Gordon, the other corner at Washington, was a better player. There are teams that have Gordon above McGuffey. Yeah, all right, let's set this up. Now, we're a few picks away. Cowboys are at twenty four. Green Bays on the clock right now at twenty two than the Baltimore Ravens at twenty three, who was jumping out on y'all's board. Now for the Cowboys, I wish that I'd spent more time thinking about Jermaine Johnson, because I just wrote that off

as a possibility a long time ago. And I don't like the defensive end out of Florida State transferred from Georgia, so again another piece of that disgusting Georgia defense had a really at a solid season for a bad FSU team, kicked everybody's but at the Senior Bowl. He literally he So there's three practices at the Senior Bowl, he dominated for two days and was like, peace, I'm out. I don't need to do this anymore. He's like I put in my tape, I'm not staying for a third days.

He also he banged up, isn't either, No, no, But like I know specifically, the Cowboys really impressed with him in Mobile. Yeah, I have no idea if they like him enough to take him over some of the names. I don't either. Clearly the rest of the league doesn't like him as much as we thought. Yeah, who else, Bobby? I mean, I think we're looking I think this is setting up for potentially Tyler Smith, the tackle from also that.

But I mean, if you're looking at other names, Nakobe Dean, I don't know how much do they like, Dax Hill, the safety from Michigan. I still talk about Devin Lloyd though from Utah myself. If you tell me I can maybe get the next Michael Parsons at linebacker to pair with Michael Parsons. Who about that? So tell me a little bit more about that and his game? Yeah? No, I mean this guy's six threes, two hundred and thirty, like seven pounds and stuff like that. I mean he's

a great finisher, he gets, he's an outstanding tackler. He could blitz. He tackles well in the open space. He probably covers better than Michael Parsons. You could watch him play. He gets in throwing lanes, he gets interceptions, he knocks balls down pass rush. Yeah yeah, it's seven sacks. So yeah. I mean the people talking about this, I don't know if I also do it, but me personally, if you're starting to talk about some of these other guys, Tyler Lindenbaum,

I know I'm not gonna get now. I put him on the board where I would take him Dallas Cowboys probably don't agree with me on that at all. I don't think it's out of the question because you look at some of the guys they've had conversations with. They had Devin Lloyd in as a thirty visit. It's known that Kay Walker was here on a thirty visit. They met with Christian Harris at the combine. They've had opportunities with these top four, top five linebackers to have these conversations.

I'm right there with you. I think Devin Lloyd is certainly a potential here. You've got Dean and Lloyd as the two linebackers that are possibilities, Linderbaum and Smith as offensive line, and then you've got Karloftis and Johnson. As we enter this twenty second time, I don't know what just happened, but there they cut to war room cam and somebody said something and Steven went big fist pump. So Stephen was happy about something. Well, keeping every team

in the league is happy about every decision they make. Well, but I don't, But I mean I think they must. I don't know if they know green base pick here or Baltimore's, but I think they're happy about who of her because the picks in the NFL world are in they like it hasn't been announced. I'm not Dallas's pick, but like that, I mean they could be. We could be as many as like a pick. Here's a war room camera behind. I want to see. I want to see who Green Bay picks here and if we can

figure anything from that. With the fist pump, were you guys thinking about, well, here comes Roger Goodell at the podium with the Packers selection. As we get closer with the Cowboys at twenty four In the twenty two NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers great Walker Georgia. So no offensive player again for mister Rogers, first linebacker off the board.

That's it's funny, you we We've talked about that with a few guys, but quay Walker was like a fringe name for most of this cycle, and within the last two weeks exploded. He just had this surge where everybody was like, oh, yeah, he'll probably be the first linebacker taken. So him a lot across the way too. So but if we see a fist pump, there's that any indication of oh, they took a linebacker, but it wasn't ours or I think it could be just took a player

that you know, they weren't looking at linebacker. Uh, go ahead, Dave, I just what's up. We just had a trade. Baltimore went back, Buffalo leap frog Dallas. What does Buffalo think Dallas needs? So it's a good question. So Buffalo is on the clock at twenty three. Yeah, yeah, they just flipped Baltimore went back. That's that's the pick. That's the

pick they took from Arizona. I love Hollywood Brown. Can I just gush about the Ravens for one more time, Like we gave them crap because they missed Jordan Davis. And what do they wind up doing? Drafting Kyle Hamilton at fourteen? They traded Hollywood for a first? Did they Did they get a first? No, they got like pick one hundred for him. I thought it was pick one hundred in Hollywood for twenty three. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

oh yeah, I'm you're right. I'm sorry. Yeah, they got a first for Hollywood and then turned this into whatever it's. It's so they've probably added a ton of capital on top of already having Kyle Hamilton. Bills go twenty five and one thirty for twenty three. But I'm gonna use the war room cam to cheat here a little bit.

I didn't see the fist pumping question from Bobby Belt, but that that tells me I don't have to hold my breath here that they that they think Buffalo is going to steal someone from them, because yeah, because that could have been news that they got. The Buffalo went up and they were like, oh, we feel better knowing Baltimore's not picking in front of us. So what are we thinking now? Brian brought us. We got Steven on

the phone. Maybe he's talking. Maybe, I don't know. That's the thing I'm kind of was anyone thinking about trading back in the last five minutes, I would think about it, Yeah, I mean I would if somebody wanted to, if somebody called me, I would that there teams are moving, so he's are dealing. This is they're talking to a team because Steven's got his little pen out and it looks like he's telling Jerry would probably be on the phone with the player. I mean, you're sitting here right Jerry's

nobody's celebrating. So this isn't a pick. This is definitely a conversation. We think they like Tyler Smith, but we don't think that he's just like our guy. He's not. They think about him in the second round. I mean,

that's the thing that we keep talking about. I think a lot of the guys that went ahead of them they thought, well, no, that that's what we're talking I mean, I think that's what we're talking about right now, is maybe that they feel like that, you know, hey, if we grabbed this guy, I mean, if we can move down a little bit further and pick something else up,

it might soften the blow a little bit. All right, Let's let's think about some scenarios and let's get out of here real quick to come back and make sure we don't miss anything. The Bills are on the clock. Then the Cowboys are up next. Don't go anywhere. It's the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five to the fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. All right, y'all, let's brainstorm. What are you looking at, Dave? What are

you thinking? I mean, if I don't think they like any of the guys that I've gone on my board, who's trying to come up? If they were, well, somebody that wants a linebacker. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe, like if maybe, if somebody loves Devin Lloyd or Rush, there's two of them right there. Okay, so right now Buffalo is on the clock to answer your question, Sean, Like, I don't even remember what I asked. Well, I mean, if they could jump back somewhere between like two and

six spots. It doesn't even we did this in our mock on Tuesday, Like, you're not gonna get crazy good compensation. What did we add in that trade? We added We added a fourth and a sixth. But I think, like this is just to take your pick among guys that you probably don't love. At least that's how I feel about it. I think they if they took Tyler Smith, if they took to Kobe Dean, I think they like those players. Is that their dream scenario when they head

into the state. No, it wasn't. But I mean, I think they'd be happy with coming out of here with those players and not having to give up capital. No, but I'm saying, but you can gain capital and chios. Lay, Can I ask a question, then, do you feel like they're wiped out? Yeah? From the guys, they really coveted. I think, yeah, this is why you would take it to them, they would take I mean yeah, I mean they know they visited Lloyd. Yeah that's what I'm seeing.

I mean, I love the player myself, and I love Linderbomba guys like that. But they don't. They don't. They're not seeing this like I am. I wonder, well, I wonder if this is and I don't. I don't know how they feel about Lloyd one hundred percent, but I wonder if this is a situation where they like Lloyd.

Maybe Lloyd's even the best grade on their board. But it's the classic like need verse best player, Like do you need to draft another linebacker after you just got Micah or tend to something that needs it a little bit more Based upon y'all's boards and excitement level, I'm I'm rooting for a move back. I'm rooting would I would get a lot more excited about the pick if if they jumped back, If they move back to thirty and then they picked Tyler Smith, I feel much better.

There's nobody there's nobody on the YO. There's nobody on the board right now where I'm just like, he's got to get there. He's got to get there. Cowboys are on the clock because the pick is in for Buffalo, okay. And we were judging by Stephen on the phone that he was probably talking to a team and it was Jerry on the phone. If we go to the war room cam and Jerry's on there along with McCarthy, we usually try to find a position coach that leads us

there we go, Stephen's still on the phone. They're talking to a team. It is it's trade offers coming in. We don't know who the teams are right now, but they are definitely talking to somebody. I mean, I wish I had more information. No position coach in the room. Jerry's listening, so this is this has to be Stephen laughing at something. They're they're talking about a team. So

that's what we're standing right now. Any idea who does will have that dialing hand ready though if they can't move, because usually Chris Hall at the bottom right of the of the thing, Chris Hall will get the player on the phone and he hasn't moved. You see. If there's a gentleman with the glong hair in the glasses beard and so yeah, they're joking a little bit there joking

with someone, So that doesn't seem like a serious trade negotiation. Well, all these guys, especially in the boys case, where your GM stays the same, like they've been dealing with these people for years. I mean they're buddies by now. Any idea. McCarthy doesn't look really comfortable right now though to me languages, Well he's pointing. It's point at will. Hey, any idea who Buffalo is gonna take? I don't know who they thought they needed to come up ahead of down It

is right here. I guess would be a linebacker. Let's go to the podium. Ravens have traded the twenty third pick to the Buffalo Bill. With the twenty third pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Drags, the Buffalo Bill select h quarter from Florida. That's a Florida good player. He really good player. I loved Kayer Elam tell us about him, kay me. I mean, like, that's a dude who like he gets to the ball. He will always get his hand on the ball. He is a really

really good athlete. I mean he's somebody that like, I love him, I think, And he's a I think broadest. Didn't you sign his dad. Yeah, I was here with his dad. Yeah. Yeah, because his dad's Abram Elam. Yeah, the old Cowboys safety Yeah he. I'll tell you what this kid's he is a He is a press corner with every senate sense of the word. He'll get up on you. He's not going to give you much space. He could run with you. He's physical, really nice tackler

as well. All right, So kier Elam goes to the Buffalo Bills, and for the time being, the Dallas Cowboys are on the clock, followed by the Baltimore Ravens, who have been very active this round. The Tennessee Titans pulling off a huge deal as well. Let's get ready to rejoin the radio side. All right, guys, your Dallas Cowboys are officially on the clock right now. Sean treef joined by Cowboys insider Bobby belt Our, lead scout Brian Brouns.

We've got Kyle Yeoman's and David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We are a ford center at the Star. A cornerback just went off the board, Cayer Elam to the Buffalo Bills, and now we have the Cowboys sitting here. We've been monitoring their war room camera. It looked like Stephen Jones was on the phone. We were guessing it wasn't with a player. You would have Jerry on with the player, then Mike McCarthy, then a position coach in

the room. So my guess is they're trying to work out a deal and no one's on the phone right now, guys, is a deal done? That makes me think they made a trade. I think they trade it back with like again Chris Hall in the bottom right of the phone when they pick up picking up the phone again. So they're trying to take this five minutes to execute. Okay, well, Will's about Okay, Will and Chris with the two you need to watch and yeah, what Will's the phone calling.

Will's the guy that talks to the player first, so he's the guy to watch. I'm hearing Tennessee is a potential trade back target. I don't know if that's who they're on the phone with now. And there's probably multiple teams in there, but I know the Titans that pick number twenty six could be one where they might be having some conversations. However, like I said, that's not that's probably one of multiple teams. Because we've seen Steven picked

up the phone on multiple occasions. We'll put his hand on phone then took it off. Who's left on the board if they make the pick, I'll bet you five dollars it's Tyler. I think Tyler Smith would be the guy if they picked here, offensive lineman Tulsa and his position and potential a tackle that they would probably play at the at the left guard spot. He's with an eye on maybe moving him to tackle at some point

in his career. Yeah, depending on how he's a Really he's a raw player, but he's big, he's powerful, He's a really good athlete. Anyone else not if they pick here. I mean to Kobe Dean, is there Devin Lloyd that he was a thirty visit? So, like I said, I wonder if this is I would love to see those grades, Like is Devin Lloyd a better player on their board? But they need an offensive lineman more. I mean, like

I say, linder bamb Lloyd, Dean. I mean, those are the guys I had, but we always sort of figured that Linderbaum wasn't going to have Oh no. But I'm just saying I just wanted to go on record because I think there's some teams behind Dallas. I think Tampa Bay possibility, you know when you look at that as well. But I think that you know that he's a really he's a good player. I mean, he really, really is

a good player. It's a shame that, you know, they look at the traits and stuff like that, but that's what they have their their measurables for and stuff like that. So good for them for that. It looks like Will's does he dland or is it just tapping his fingers? Is there a chance? I mean, would they stay in the first round for sure? Or is everyone gonna get up on the phone. Wow this I would guess this is Tyler Smith. Okay, so let's get ready for that man.

Not a lot of Tyler Smith and the months and all the build up leading up to this, at least at one oh five three the fan, How about you guys, Dallas Cowboys? That com Jerry's on the phone. So this is a player? Yeah. We we mentioned this back in in Indianapolis. That was really where we first started hearing that they were or that he was on the Cowboys radar. Tyler Smith offensive tackle slash offensive guard at Tulsa, not

the most ready made player in terms of tackle. However, you look at a guy that's a short term and Dave said it a minute ago, short term solid guard, and then you bump him out to tackle in a couple of years. I will say, like what, I talk about this all the time, like there are years where we know immediately Yeah, I mean we've we knew for a long time that Layton vander Esch was gonna wind up here. I do think we're later coming around on this one, like, yeah, we are, we are, shout out

mel Kiper. Yeah, the draft godfather, he was. He had been on this one very very early. But I mean again, this one we kind of got a little They were a little sneaky with it too, because they could do the Dallas stay. We didn't have to hear about a thirty visit with Tyler Smith because he's from around here. They can you know, we didn't have to know about that interest. It's it's wild. I mean, look, it benefits

the Cowboys. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but that is just a wild advantage. I mean, if you grew up or went to school within what like thirty sixty miles of DFW. It's a yeah, it's a weird like based on the they like literally used like an Atlas map. I think too, if you're from around here, you can come to the facility and it doesn't count toward the visit limit. How do you think the Green Bays of the world feel about Dallas

being able to do that? So if this is the pick and looking at what teams moved up with, is there a big regret standing out for you guys with where someone went and what it would have cost or you found with them to stick it in here and addressing a need that everyone probably listed is the number one thing for this football team. I mean, I think you'd want to pick up some extra capital, but I mean as long as as if they believe in the player. But do you have a move up regret where someone

went and what was given up for the price? I would, but if they fit and it's Kellen Moore on the phone, this is definitely offense. So I would feel I would have gone up for Penning. I would have gotten up nineteen. But I mean that that's me if they didn't think I'm just asking you, Yeah, no, if that's what I would have done, I would have gone up and gotten Penning. All right, here we go with the selection from Roger Goodell. In twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select

Tyler Smith tackle. All Right, I love you guys piecing together and I was listening to this on the drive over here brought us. You were talking about it. Yeah, you were talking about a rumor that was gaining steam with all the homework that you did, and then you guys pieced it together, which is why I love the love the show. To your point, Sean, like you were, you were talking about this, like maybe you listen too much to the stuff right before the draft. Sometimes it's right.

Sometimes something kind of parachutes in on you and you're like, oh, this has legs. This is not this is not a smokescreen. And that's what happened here. So let me let me be the Cowboy fan reactor in here. All right. I'm guessing what Twitter is about to be, and you guys are the ones with the connections and you did the homework.

There's gonna I think there's gonna be disappointment just because we're more comfortable here in names and ones that you guys have been projecting and ones that you guys have been excited about. So all of a sudden you get one out of the blue and you're like, huh when you've heard all the hype about Linderbaum and Penning in these guys. So I feel like, I feel like you guys are gonna have to if you feel good about it,

make the Cowboy fans feel pretty good. This is where also too, I remember a draft where Travis Frederick I'll say the name right that time. Absolutely this was a dret where we thought Travis Frederick, we all have third round grades, laughed at it. Everybody's like, why why would you do this? This unathletic center from Wisconsin. He doesn't pick up his feet, he shuffles, he does all these things.

There are people that will tell you in this building about Tyler Smith when you mentioned him, it's like, man, really good athlete. But this guy we've mentioned it. The holding penalies and stuff like that is there's going to be need to be some technique work here. There's going That's the first thing that people are going to do when they go back and the media ask questions, well, what about him and what about him? Know? What about these holding penalies. Didn't you just have a left are

that had all these holding penalties. But this is a big man. He's six five, he's three hundred and twenty four pounds. He's extremely raw in the way that he plays right now, but he's a powerful guy in the running game. And so now I'm sere thinking, what's the problem the Cowboys have had. They've had issues trying to run the football, especially the second half of the season. This guy comes off the ball, he gets to his man,

he gets some movement. You're going to have to work with him on some of the technique stuff that that is something that's going to have to happen. But you know what I mean to me, I had other guys on the board. But that's why I'm here and there there. We're all here and they're there. And I just harkened back to I wasn't a huge fan of Travis Frederick. Yeah, that's my hope right now for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm

right there with you. And even going back to comparing the two, I don't think any of us had a third round grade on Tyler Smith. We had him pretty much pegged in the second round most likely, like we talked about they had a second round grade on him as well, because they were wiped out of the fourteen to sixteen names they had in the first round. Sure, I would have liked to see a Tyler Linderbaum. I had him much higher on my board. Sure, I would have loved to see a trade up and maybe go

get a Trevor Penning. However, you upgraded your offensive line here, whether it's at the guard spot, and you have a secondary option at tackle as well. If you needed him to kick out, Tyrann Smith hasn't played an entire season in god knows how long a half decade now, you may need him to bump out and show that flexibility

on the offensive line. He can do that. My biggest knock against Tyler Smith is the penalties, and that's something that the Cowboys certainly struggled with in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. They commit He committed sixteen penalties this past season, twelve of which we're holding calls. That has to clean up, and I think the foundation of it and the fundamental side of it is going to be

one of the ways that he cleans that up. Early in his career, what did we say last year and it's a different player in a different part of the draft. What do we say last year about Michael Parsons, Well, it's trades, there's a lot of trades, but like what kind of a football players, there's a lot of elite traits here with Tyler Smith, and you know, there's gonna be a lot that you're gonna need to lean on Joe Philbin go out there develop this guy and to

help him. And so, I mean, I think that that's going to be a big part of this is that you know, trusting your offensive line coach, that your coaches to help develop him. But the traits are there, and he's a very young player. He just turned twenty one three weeks ago, so he's young. What's your degree of confidence that he can win the left guard job as a rookie? I think it's pretty high at left guard specifically. Yes, yeah,

it's the only available job right now. I know, I to be honest, backups, I think the situation is they probably don't think anything much of the guys that are competing with him, you know, yeah, or they wouldn't have made this pick. I mean, I honestly feel like that they got they lost Green. That was one that they were kind of thinking. They probably didn't think they were going to get Zion Johnson, but they lost Kenyon Green and so now sudden we talked about it and I

ask you, guys, you know, what's what's the situation all along? Bobby, I mean all week we've taught about not all week, but the last three days. When you start to talk about Tyler Smith, it was what's going to happen to the board? What gets you to where you draft? And they liked him a heck of a lot better than you know, than me, I know, but like I said, that's a that's a big man. You know, he's a powerful run blocker. Kyle mentions the holding calls and stuff

like that. You know, how much do they like, you know, Connor McGovern do. They don't like him enough to make him to put him back in there at guard and they let and they let Connor Williams walk, So they felt like they had to do something here. So they're going to give this guy every chance to be plug and play. I don't know if technique wise and he's ready for plug and play. That's just my questions right now. So do we think that if left guard is the

spot for now? Do we think though that this is still just similar plan to like we talked about with Penning across some of these other guys. You're left guard now you're left tackle of the future. I don't know. Can you say that on draft night? I mean, that's the whole I mean, you would have said that about Trevor Penning. You would have said that about Try, that you were going to plug him in at guard and eventually groom him for tackle. Is that their plan here?

I think they can be their hope. I think the fact that they saw him as a guard first tells you that might you know, we we you know, we've kind of kind of feel like that they're going to try if he works out a guard, I don't see him moving the same thing they did was Zach and Martin. That's the other thing too, is Zach Martin was a tackle at Notre Dame. In a world with best case scenarios, Let's just pretend for a sect that he becomes a total road grader. Do you move him? I don't know.

I mean, he's a good run blocker, but again that's that hands inside, big body, mass power, push, you know, and that's fine. They don't. They need some They need some big bodies up front as far as getting some push in that running game. And Bobby mentioned this in the lead up into the night as well. But it also adds to your locker room. This is a mean, streak sort of player that plays with an edge. He

plays with that that hefty side. That Hey, it could be something that the Cowboys were looking to improve from a generality standpoint. They did it last year with Michael Parsons. They went out and got a player that plays mean. They could have done it with Trevor Penning, but here they do it with Tyler Smith. The right up from McShay was he plays with a real edge, and uh, that's it, that's all I he was mocking into the Texas. So I don't want to read the Houston steps. You know,

you want the Dane Brugler summary. Yeah, a three year starter. It tells that this is the summer, not the whole report of Smith lined up at left tackle. Uh. In Philip Montgomery's up temple smash my spread, he closed off. He says. Overall, Smith is incredibly rob but he has the play strength and physical strains to get significantly better with technical and mental development. All right, the Baltimore Ravens are on the clock. We're gonna get your newest cowboy,

Tyler Smith. On first, we'll have the press conference with Jerry and the crew explaining the thought process. We continue to close out the first round. It's the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five through the fan in the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. What type of social media reaction so far? David Helmet, Oh, negative, it's probably right up where you are anticipating. Yeah, well, I think it's an you know, unfamiliarity. Let's go to the Ravens

with their pick real quick. This is karma for us making fun of the Ravens. My lord, is it really Lenderbaum? What do the Ravens do, Sean Kyle, They hang out, They let really good players fall to them. Shoot, they traded twice. They tried to get away from this guy, they still wound up with him. And who did they get earlier? Kyle Hamilton? Hamilton Hamilton. They traded Hollywood for first and they still have receivers um. And then they go and get their center to fall to them at

number twenty five. They didn't have a quarterback either. Oh ooh, I like that hot take. I like the hot take I did. I did radio with Bobby a couple of weeks ago, and you dropped that on me. Oh I like that, Bobby. Uh So, the Titans are on the clock at twenties. The Ravens picked for the first time at pick number fourteen, and they took players number four

and eleven on my board. Now, I'm I'm very much so higher on Linderbaum and Hamilton than most, but they at fourteen and twenty five took four and eleven off of the board. I'm gonna be honest with you, guys. I feel vindicated I had I had Tyler lindabamb is my tenth best player. Wow. And the fact that the Ravens took him. I'm exstatic, yes, because that is one of the better drafting teams in NFL right there. So lender Bomb goes and now Tennessee will be followed by

the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Green Bay Packers. Are you guys? Are you guys like a little deflated right now? I'm not okay, no, no, no, no. I think we had kind of come to the realization this is where it was heading when Penning went off the board, I think you had a good understanding of Okay, this is where things more just came down to can they get

an extra draft capital? Can they move back? I think they were maybe I don't know, if they just couldn't find a trade or they were more trying to check in and make sure you're not kind of like we're not gonna lose Tyler Smith if we go back. Yeah, which again, this is something I always talk about and I try to explain to people, is like people are understandable, like a lot of people like Tyler Linderbaum and I get it, he's a really good player, and they're like

he was sitting right there. They never were going to do that. Hope they never were. No, No, we we some of that. Some of this stuff becomes easier to digest when you think of it that way, where you're like, I get it, you disagree, you came to terms with it, but you're they're just not going to do it again. And again that's my point is like how worked up am I supposed to get about something that is completely

beyond my control just because of the measurables? Yeah, or or or they don't they don't think he fits what they like to do. But that's probably a little bit of both. I think, you know, when they can't tell about position flights, he said he's a center that Yeah, Kurt, Kurt ferrets is the is the head coach at Iowa. He used to be with the Ravens and stuff like that in Baltimore and stept before he was a head coach. Trade, so he's he knew he gave him the idea on this.

The Jets traded into the first round. Yeah, just just came up. Titans gave that pick up. Tennessee doesn't want to sit still to night either. It feels like they're doing a ton of stuff. They trade a j Brown to the Eagles in case you're just joining us on the Cowboys dot com side, and then they go and draft his replacement in Trail and Burke's and now they are moving back with the New York Jets. So here we go with the with the Titans. What are you thinking?

I just I gotta tweet from somebody here, and like, I just want to make this clear. Somebody had said, uh, oh, this is this is the offense talking about the pick here. Yeah, And so I mean I don't know. Well, we'll dive into that later. I guess, get your get your Tyler Smith questions ready, he's on hold. So when we come back on the radio side, wonderful, get ready to fire off some questions. What are we gonna ask? Interest level? When did you know that's a good one? Yeah? When?

What point in the process was the first communication? Hometown team? Yeah? How does it feel good? That's with the hometown team. Okay, I'm just having you guys, get ready for your questions, pizza and get ready, get and get ready to get my caffee kick in. So the newest cowboy is gonna be joining us here momentarily. How do you summarize the first round so far? Guys? Predictable that's I mean, not

not predictable, but more predictable than I anticipated. Maybe for you the names that have the names that have gone have been predictable. But everything that's happened has been wild, sure, because you weren't surprised in the in the first ten

really at all. No. Some of these like trading receivers way A. J. Brown and Hollywood Brown like that, That's what I'm talking and the Saints trading up for a receiver, etc. And you can still have names out there like Deebo and Garoppolo and Baker Mayfield and some of these different guys. Did Jermaine Johnson's light is surprising? Yes? I agree? Yeah, I agreed. Okay, let's get ready to rejoin the radio, and then we'll have the newest Dallas Cowboy, Tyler Smith,

on with us. All right, And part of being your Home of America's team is the access the Dallas Cowboys at number twenty four draft Tulsa offensive tackle Tyler Smith, and he's joining us right now. UM one oh five three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Hello, Tyler, Congratulations. How's it feel, man? It's a it's it's indescribable. Man. I can't even I can't even put it into words. Really paint the picture at your house. It sounds like it's a little bit of fun wherever you are, man.

I mean, as soon as it happen, you know, everybody yelling, everybody screaming. You know, I'm in Pierce shock. I'm talking to mister Jones. I'm like, man, like you know you always got you almost gotta pinch yourself. It's like a dream like you're waking up into When did you start first getting the feeling that this could happen and the

Cowboys were interested in you? Man, I'm to be honest, the only time I knew is I had a probably work out with them and like I heard good things, but like throughout the process, I just I really didn't know till the day. But you know, it's a blessing now playing for the hometown team. I mean, you grew up in Fort Worths, you played at North Crowley High School. What does it mean to you and your family to be able to play close to home and play for

the franchise? Length to Cowboys? Man, I mean, it's indescribable. Man. You know I played college football Tussa, Oklahoma, and you know, the quire to be called home man, to play play for the great statement. There's the other thing I like you now you are a Cowboy fan. Though, let's clarify that right, you are a Cowboy fan? Yes, sir, all right,

it's the right answer. Hey, Tyler, congratulations, man, I'm just curious, I mean from from the outsider's perspective, and we talk about your fit and and how you how you look at the NFL level, We assume that you would start out at guard if they talked to you about that, What's what's your kind of idea for what your role looks like at this level of football. Man, they haven't talked to me about it, but you know, all ready to play off opposition, do whatever I can help the

team win. Man, that's my That's my only goal is contributing and making sure we get to that Super Bowl. It's like your home now, Tyler. Again, congratulations on getting picked by the hometown team. We talk about that there about. Like, have they talked to you about playing garter tackle? I know you played tackle pretty much exclusively at Tulsa, but you're actually a guard recruit coming out of high school. Where do you feel most comfortable playing? I mean, you know,

almost comfortable playing wherever. Man, you know, I trained for it all. You know, I'm willing to put the work in and take the coach and to do whatever I gotta do. Like so that's kind of you know, that's my outlook. Or I could play anywhere they put me, Tyler.

You know, as a Cowboy fan though, you're you gotta be familiar though with this offensive line right what you're about to be part of you understand, you're kind of getting the feeling like, hey, wait a minute, Tyren Smith and Zach Martin and those guys, you gotta be excited about being teammates with those guys. Now, I'm too excited. You know, I grew up watching those guys like, you know, from the NFL. Taught one hundred to just like break down videos of Tyren Smith and Zach Martin and all

those guys. Like it's it's just crazy to me to be able to call my teammates, But they're gonna be a great source, you know, to learn from to you know, perfect my craft, and it's just it's a blessing of beer. Now for most Cowboys fans out there, this is the first time they're hearing you, and you're hearing your story. What do you feel like is your biggest strength as a player as you enter the NFL And what are some things that you feel like need to take the

next step now that you're at the pro level. Man, I feel like, you know, one of my biggest trains, you know, I care a great chip on my shoulders. You know, I'm I'm athletically gifted, I'm physical. The effort is always gonna be out one hundred and twenty percent to affinity. But you know, I'm gonna go wherever and do whatever to win. And that's you know, that's my

greatest strength. Obviously. You know I gotta get then, I gotta get the coaching, like you know, I'm gonna get coached up and continue to prove and every stats of my game. Like you know, I'm never satisfied, you know, all ready to do whatever it takes to get to the next level every day. Newest Cowboys offensive lineman Tyler Smith joining us. We heard that they were looking for a little more nastiness in the offseason, a little bit more edge. Can you provide that? Man? That's my motto,

that's my m os so. I definitely got him on that. What's your nickname? What do they call you? What should we get used to man? Pete? I mean Pete. Most people call me t says like my social media handles and stuff, but they called me anything. I'm a man of the people. Guys, are you good to go? Ready to go? Congratulations Tyler? Happy to have you on board, man. I appreciate him now. I'm truly blessed to be here. Man, it's an honor. What you can't say that out enough?

What's your cell phone looking like right now? Man? It's still it's deep and now as we talk, man, you know, I got y'all at one here notifications of the other man, but it's still blessing it. Hey man, congratulations, we're really really happy for you. Good to see the hometown kid join America's team and we'll see in person soon. Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. Thank you. He's excited, Wow,

as he should be. Awesome. Congratulations to him. If that was excitement, I wonder what the secret audio sounds like here. It is, Yes, sir, you get to Dallas from Tulsa. I absolutely again, I'm already hearing for words. Sir, you're in fault Worth. Well, this is Jerry Jones and we're fixing to turn your card in and as of this moment, you're a Dallas cowboy. Thank you, sir. It's honor. Well, you've sure impressed a lot of guys in this room, your coaches to be and uh, I want you to

know something. You beat out two or three really good players here that we had an opportunity to take over you. So you give yourself some victory. For the day. You've brought me some pretty good guys out for get picked here. So seriously, we're proud to have you and proud to be picking him. I appreciate it, coase, you're gonna get everything. I promise you that. Now, then I want you to say hello to our coach, Mike McCarthy. Hey, Tyler, congratulations,

Hey are you? Are you with your family right now? Yes? Sir? All right? Well, hey, enjoyed this moment. This is special moment in your life. And I can't tell you how thrilled we are as an organization and as a coaching staff, and I know our team has so fired up to add you to our lock room. So congratulations, enjoy the moment. Thank you, coach, Thank you. All right. There's Kellen Moore, our offensive corder. How are you doing, coach more? Tyler? What's up? Man? This is Kellen. We are fired up

to have you, man, this is gonna be awesome. How fired up to beer? Because I promise you're gonna get everything I got to do. You're gonna so much fun here. You're gonna be a perfect, great group. I'm gonna do something special. Yes, enjoy it. Half fun man, Absolutely, Thank you for bringing me home. Alrightey, I love it. See a man. That's awesome. So there's the secret audio draft

call with Newis Cowboy Tyler Smith. Yeah. I love the way that you know, the passion and the fire and wanting to get the job done and stuff, and the fact he's a Cowboy fan. I think that's great. I think it's interesting that Jerry Jones just told you that there were some guys that they had above him or near him that And I'm interested, And I know David Hellman tonight he is going to ask Jerry Jones that question.

When you were on the phone with Tyler, you said some players you know you talk about and these players he probably won't tell you. But that's why I think why things got held up a little bit. You know, Stephen and those guys. Maybe they were trying to move the pick. You know, maybe they had a pocket of guys that they were kind of kind of and they maybe they didn't get the pick they wanted out of that.

I think they were worried if they traded back that he would go he would get like that's who somebody was trying to come get. Yeah, So Tennessee bailed out of their pick to the Jets, and there was another Jermade Johnson. So Jackson goes on the clock. There was Tyler Smith had been connected to Tennessee, and so I wonder if that was their concern about going back and and when Tyler Smith went, maybe that's why Tennessee went back. I think that is very likely what happened. Yea. And

it reminds me was it last year? Uh oh my gosh, I'm drawn a blank. Like remember in the third round, like they made a pick and then like your three favorite players went off the board right after the thing. Yep. And that's I mean, you look at Tyler Linderbaum and Jermaine Johnson. I mean, that's what fans are going to have their eye on when they look at this pick from years from now. But to your point, Brough, I

mean grades are a lie. Like they're not a lie in the sense that they exist, but this team will manipulate them to get what they want. I think it right, they do, Yeah, regularly. I think the pick that you're you're referencing was was nashun right at ninety nine and then it went Elijah Molden. I couldn't remember Thomas like like literally Brian's best of board went from three to none, like right after that pick was made. Yeah, look, let's

let's just be honest about it. In terms of the analysis and the projections and the reaction, they knew the player a lot better than we do. Of course, people people that's and again we get it. We can influence and I think this sometimes we have the draft shows we do. Let's get real quick, then we'll go get back to you and Walker. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have traded the twenty six, twenty seventh pick to the Jacksonville Jaguars. We're the twenty seventh pick in the twenty twenty two

NFL Draft. The Jacksonville Jaguars select Devin Lloyd, linebacker Utah. So there you go with Devin Lloyd, who some people were thinking New England was gonna select. What were you about to say, brought us? Well, I was. He was my seventh best player on my board. So congratulations my guy down there, Doug Peterson and twenty seven. Yeah, what he was able to do. This guy's gonna be a

hell of a football player. I really do believe that. Um, But I will say this though, you know, with this is the thing about it is when you know, we we influence people with like our talk, you know, and we and Dave and we all caught we all do these shows and you start to talk and we kind of talk about the same guys over and over and over again, and then we don't talk about out of Tyler Smith. But but people in the NFL circles, in

Scouts and stuff are like men. Because I did have a guy a couple of weeks ago in the organization. I asked about the whole thing with Tyler Smith. I say, is that because it was the Kuiper question that I had? How did Kiper what? And he goes, hey, man, is Tyler Smith's a really good athlete and he didn't really want to go into it much more than that. So

I'm like, oh, okay, follow it away. And then today Bobby always were running down the Tyler Smith stuff and as the board fell, that's the scenario in their mind, that's the way it came down. They needed a guard, They need a big, powerful guy, and hopefully this guy will work out for him. Though, I mean, I feel like in a way, because we don't talk about somebody that maybe the fans are like, oh, damn who they just take? Yeah, you know, whereas whereas we should be like, hey,

they're the ones in the room. First round offensive linemen have been there forte you know, yep, And so that's that's the credit you got to give them, right or at least that's the leeway that you have to give them right now. Look, if you're sitting there and go in like, oh, you didn't talk about it enough, like we just said a few minutes ago, had the Cowboys not picked him here, there was enough chatter. I think he was going in the first round regardless the NFL

viewed him as a first round player. Yes, yeah, And I also mean not just Keiper and mocking him here like Daniel Jeremiah's had him in the back half of his mocks for for a while or months. So in fact that DJ talks to everybody in personnel offices across the league, DJ will know what I think the moral of the story is, we need we need new draft analysts. Wow,

that's how you light it up. You guys just totally miss joke the side note real quick, uh, Tyler Smith, I was having some of the listeners say ask him about I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing this tribe of blounce disease. He had this as a child, a condition found in kids that affects the growth plates around the knee. Causes the growth plate near the inside of the knee to either slow down or stop making new bone. Meanwhile, the growth plate near the outside of the knee continues

to grow normally. So he overcame that I'm not saying that that's a current metal condition or worry, but people were telling us to ask about that, but we had to let Tyler get back to the celebration. This will be the this will be the first of like a million interviews that. He was like, we'll have another opportunity. That's call me a voice if you want to. Like people are like, I ask them about the holding calls. I'm like, why we can get to that. I'm not

gonna rain on his parade. Sixteen interviewed Jerry Congratulations, you suck. I've interviewed Jerry Jones once a week for eleven years. I've been told ask better questions. Yeah, ask the ask the right thing all the time. Look, this is part of the fun of it, right, And we've we've we've had missus and you have hits with fan reaction. Taco Charlton, you got it right. As Jerry joked about the other day, we all missed on Travis Frederick and and and let's

be real, many of us missed on Michael Parsons. Many of us missed on Michael Parsons. So we'll see what happens. But this is the fun of it getting interested, invested and thrilled or disappointed. I mean, I think he's just from what we have here, this is going to be an easy person for people to root for. Anybody down. This is a local kid kid. This is a gritty kid who went way under recruited coming out of high school.

Didn't even get an offer from TCU. His local school, uh you know, goes to Tulsa, has the career, he does, rises up draft boards, you hear him. He's a fun loving guy. He's a very positive, upbeat guy, and he plays with a chip on his shoulder. I think all these things are going to be very easy to root. The easy joke right now to make is obviously you got rid of Connor and then draft to Connor, So get ready for that tomorrow with your shows and all

the other coverage. Yeah, I just got somebody that texted me in the organization was telling me that that the Titans. To Bobby's point, Bobby once again with the stuff. Titans kept calling and trying to get the deal Sweden deal, and finally they got Jerry to admit that they's who they were going to take. Jerry Jones. He's told so many stories about that over the years. Jerry Jersey get people to do that. It's amazing. He did it in a draft. He did it in the Roy Williams draft.

He got is this in regards Tyler laughing Bobby, Bobby, let's tease it. Tell us. I think this is gonna make you feel a little bit better about another team wanting Tyler Smith brought us, just got some inside info, will bring you the intels. We finished up the first round on one oh five three the Fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. All right, could you imagine if the Titans would have jumped up in front of Dallas and took Burkes and this guy from they would have

been so furious. That had to be where they were cracking up in the war room. Magic. That's gotta be why Well, I think I think that's what they're probably laughing because Bobby's intel is absolutely right that the Titans

were a team that we're trying. And then you know this has happened before and again I'll tell the story about when I was in the war room with Jerry with the Roy Williams thing and he Frank Gilliaman Minnesota on one line and Carl Peterson on the other, and it was it's it's crazy how this guy gets people to do this green day on the clock tonight. We'll go on to do great things on the field, but they'll also make tremendous impacts in their communities. Nobody exemplified

that more than Walter Payton. Named in his honor, the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award, presented by Nationwide, is the most prestigious award a player can receive. Tonight, we are proud to have Andrew Whitworth the twenty twenty one Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year here with us. LS you. Thank you, Commissioner, Thank y'all whose house That's

what I'm talking about too. I am very humbled and grateful to stand before he was the two thousand and twenty one Walter Payton, the NFL Man of the Year. I would love to think the NFL, the Peyton family and nationwide for everything they do to support players as we try to make positive impacts in our communities. When I look back over my time in the NFL, is going to make the peer over sixteen years. Okay, that's sup. Let's go back to us so quick. I'm sorry about that. Guys.

I thought he's gonna make this selection brought us. Go ahead, continue with your Jerry story please, yeah. I mean it's it's funny because when in the draft, Jerry got Frank Gilliam and Carl Peterson to admit we were trying to trade back. And I've never seen a general manager do this, but this is the influence of Jerry Jones in a war room. He got Carl Peterson to admit who he was going to take, and he got Frank Gilly numid who he was going to take, and and Jerry had

both phones. He put him down. He said, let's take Kansas Cy's deal. It's better. He's told me, Hey, Frank, I gotta deal with somebody. Bible hung up on him and like yeah, and so we traded back. But that was a crazy draft. You remember we almost went off the clock that it went down to like the last Yeah, and they yelled it, Stephen, they yield its tags all all that. But yeah, that Jerry has that ability when you get sometimes you get guys in the phone that

it works out here. It looks like we got the pick for Green Babe. I think we go. In the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select DeVante Wyatt defensive tackle Georgia so Ross Tucker, former NFL player, now does some analysts work. This was his player for the Cowboys. He said, he shocked all of us this morning. He came on. He said they should not take an offensive lineman because you're not going to get anyone, uh

in a in a win now year. If you look at it as a win now year, and we're like, all right, smart guy, who would you take? He said? DeVante Wyatt would have been his his player. There's some questions about him. He's got some baggage. He's got some baggage, but he's a hell of a freaking player. Yeah, he's absolutely domestic violence, He's got a couple of things going

on there. But you know what's funny. The Packers usually that's not their emo to do something like this, but you know, the value for the players is just too good right there. All right, we'll rejoin the radio side here in a second. I'm Seantreef alongside David Helm and Brian brought us Kyle Yeoman's and our Cowboys insider Bobby Bell.

Tyler Smith is your newest offensive lineman, the local kid that went and played at Tulsa as a tackle already joined us here on the fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio network, and let's give a little reset of what happened afterwards. A lot of Cowboy fans who were disappointed got even more furious when Linderbaum, the center from Iowa

went to the Ravens at twenty five. Johnson, the d n from Florida State, who you guys were talking about, maybe we should have done a little more homework, but the Cowboys didn't take him to the Jets at twenty six. Devin Lloyd, the Utah inside linebacker goes to Jacksonville at number twenty seven. And then we just had the defensive tackle at a Georgia Wyatt to Green Bay at number twenty eight. If you were listening to the fan, this morning,

this was Ross Tucker selection for the Cowboys. Instead he goes to the Packers with some character issues off the field, and now the New England Patriots are on the clock at number twenty nine. Thoughts on the final of the recent selections here, I just we joked about it. I think that's you know, there's always a snapshot of like this is what we're gonna remember. This is the Taco t J. Watt thing, Like this is what we're gonna

talk about five years from now. We're gonna look at this and see Tyler's Smith followed by Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson, and Devin Lloyd, three guys that have widely been considered top twenty type of talents all went in a row after Tyler Smith and whoever, yeah, whoever, Whoever's right about that? That'll be the talking point when we look back, Where did you guys have Johnson? Because defensive end was a need for this team is a need for this team.

We think I thought he would be a top twenty pick. I didn't buy the hype that he was top Like, IM twenty five on my board, twenty nine on mine. Yeah, okay, so I mean it wasn't like it was a blinking red light at any point along the way. But I mean we had even heard whispers through Brian's circle that he was going to slip a little bit. He slipped to what was it twenty five or twenty six. Now

that's not necessarily surprising. That's about where we thought he would go, maybe a little bit earlier, but not like a lock. Like I didn't buy the hype that he was a top ten guy so much, but because of the position that he plays, I would have thought, like between twelve and eighteen, my biggest surprise is George Carlofts right now still being on the board. I'm not if

what Brier had to say. I mean, I go back to that, and I mean, like Brian, you've heard some of that that there's some people who just think like

this is who he is, who he is. I mean, you can watch this this guy you talk about somebody will have a chip on his shoulder as a player, you know, and there's a lot of folks that clean myself, I had him as my seventeenth best player on my board and we're talking about George from Yeah, and you know, he mean he is a he is a he's a going Jesse when it comes to getting around the corner and making things happen. And I've never heard that it's an old old but I mean, like I say, the

guy plays hard. I mean he plays really really hard, and you know he's he's a really good technician. There are guys, there are guys in this league that don't play with as good as technique as George Carloftens. That's the one thing that allows him to make sack and he gets in position and you know, he's a I like him as a finisher. I think the tape on him is really really good. But there's people that are kind of saying he is what he is, you know,

and that you know, we'll see. I wouldn't bet against a guy like him. I really wouldn't. You talk about like, you know, a lot of guys don't have his technique and the ability that he's able to, you know, the way he's able to win as a technician, it's so rare, especially when you talk about like defensive ends coming out of college. A lot of these edge rushes when they come out of college. That's one of the most common things they hear from people around the NFL about rookie

defensive ends. Is like they don't know how to use their hands. Yeah, they don't have any clue how to use them when they get here, and you gotta, you know, train that a little bit. That's not the case with Karloft, as he knows how to use his hands, he knows how to use his link. He's I mean, I really really like him. I just I kind of got the vibe that the Cowboys weren't nearly as high on him as we all thought he was. Yeah, are there any more glaring names left on y'all's board that you thought

we're going to go in the first round? Besides him? Kobe Dean is one. There's no like Georgia now that, now that Jermaine Johnson's gone, I'm not looking at my list and thinking like there's no free fall. I thought Kyler Gordon would go in the first and we're getting close to the we're getting close to the end. So I played the game that everybody plays, where you write down the thirty two names you feel good about the

names I've got left that I thought would go. Lewis, Seene Arnold, Dave, Dkatie, Logan Hall, Malik Willis, Desmond, Ritter, Kyler, Gordon, Malik willis still there here. The highest graded player that Dane has left that's not gone yet is Carloftis. And then it's Dax Hill, which we talked about that earlier today, how it sounded like Dax Hill might fall out of the first round. That's who the Patriots are gonna do here at twenty nine just might be the safety in

the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. The New England Patriots like cool strange bro, Sorry bro, really I should not I shouldn't have laughed. Why they were? Well, will you explain the reactions? That's pretty far down the board for a first round player. John Schneider in the draft room, he he is, uh, offensive lineman, interior offensive lineman, so not even just offensive lineman, number seventeen on my board, seventeen what one interior offensive line? He's one sixty seven overall,

Dane has him seventy three. So we're all in the entire draft. Wow, Belichick is an idiot. But you know what we all again, we all said Frederick third round player. So here we all upset over Tyler Smith. And look what Belichick just did. That should make you feel better about the drill. Look, there was a clear market in the first round for Tyler Smith. I don't know if

there was a clear market Cole Strange. Yeah, oh, Brian, we're supposed to get back to your story with Tyler Smith in terms of Jerry maybe taking Wait did we already do that? Yeah? Oh you're fading. Drink some more oft an early morning. We started it on the radio and we finished it on the dot com. That's true, not that on that, um no, But I mean like he Jerry's got an amazing way with words. So like basically we think he bullied the Titans into admitting that

they won in Tyler Smith. Yeah, or maybe not bullied. He he coerced them into admitting it, admitting and then I think and then High I think you made the point. That's why there there was laughter in the war room because they were like, a nice try. You were coming up for our guy. It ain't happening. So Kansas City's not wasting any time. Good let's get this thing over with. Let's get to the press conference. We can get out

of here before eleven o'clock. Here is Roger Goodell with the Chiefs pick in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft the Kansas City Chiefs like George Carloftso you should have seen brought us his face just then the rich get richer. What do you think, Brian, Oh No, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I think there's some I'm disappointed. I'm not disappointed that I had him where he where he is. I just I'm disappointed that that maybe some other teams

didn't see it the way I did. And I mean that sounds weird to say that way, but I kind of felt like this guy was like the sixteenth best player on the board. I really did. I believe that. I'm really there's another team that I think drafts pretty well that sees value in players. So when you make a miss like that, you know, when you feel like you should have had a guy higher, or you had a guy high, and then somebody picks him, you're kind of like, Okay, maybe I'm not totally off base with

some of these cats. All right, So Cincinnati, the defending AFC champs, are on the clock, and then it's gonna be the Minnesota Vikings. I'm also gonna have to get you guys to prepare us for Day two in terms of positions that are left over. Cowboy targets best players on the board. So we'll set all that up and we'll keep it here. Or what do you want to do, Timmy, So we'll go ahead and keep it here with Cincinnati after the Kansas City Chiefs, go with George Carr Laftis

and Tyler Smith as your newest Dallas Cowboy. You talk to the people over at Exos where he trained, who's over here in Fresco, and you just ask them, Like I pulled a few people over there earlier today and I was like, Hey, give me the standout guys, like the standout character and like hard work guys. And I had three different people over there telling me like karloftas Karloftascar, like that dude's a worker. It's like he's being punished

for being too boring, right, he's too solid. He's just well, I just mind my notes. I mean, I will say this, I am impressed with the way this guy rushed as a passer due to his technique, with the way he plays. This guy understands how to use his pass rush moves along the way. It's just not rush up the field and hope for the best it's a swat, swim, rip pull. He's going to do something in order to free himself in the blocker. He's got quickness, he's got a burst.

He could get the corner. He knows where to rush. I don't see him running past the quarterback and trying to reach back. But this guy is man. He could get pressure. And there's plays with a little bit of a burst. But there's people that kind of feel like, well, that's just who he is. But I mean, there's a lot of really, really good traits about this guy. I think the learning curve for him is going to be really really small because of how well he plays with technique.

I adore it when Brian reads his report verbatim, like that's how you know that he's invested in this. Yeah, it's fantastic. When he's a power rusher too, Like he's got extra strength up on the top half that allows him to or allowed him in the big ten to make an impact. I think he's as ready of an NFL pass rusher as even some of the top guys that were taking tonight. Does it mean anything at all that when do they usually roll out of the war room.

Doesn't mean anything that they're still in there. A lot of times you'll hang out and make sure nobody's calling, okay, just because a lot of times I've seen them make the pick in his roll and it's like, uh, any is anyone calling the room? Sometimes they just you know, it's like it's bail three more picks and they're like some catfish. Oh is that the post draft meal? I don't think it was. It was it was, Yeah, they serve catfish before catfish for the pre draft dinner. Yeah,

oh nice. We started too soon for me to get in the unfortunate. Well, we got Papa Johnson. We did. We wanted very good stuff crusted as well. Who were my who were my Cincinnati Benghi's gonna draft here? Yeah, you're a big time fan my fighting Joe Burrows. Well they don't need a right tackle. Who's the red flat guy? Pickins? H Yeah? Pickins go get go get a corner. Kyler Gordon and Andrew Booth are both sitting there. Did they fix all of their offensive line? Even though they took

Leo Collins? They got Lyle Collins and they signed they signed the guard out of Tampa and free agency. I think they could use another offensive Lineman, but I think all of the plausible ones are gone. Of course, that didn't stop Bill Belichick's I saw a corner mocked there. Yeah, the Hitler Gordon would be one. They have Cheetoh obviously, but they have a need on across the field for another cornerback, maybe like an Andrew Booth or a Roger

McCreary would be interesting. This is a team that doesn't care about character, by the way, so if you if you have somebody on that board that they might uh, they always like big school guy two. I'm trying of the kind of things. Yeah, Georgia, they liked it. They liked they like we like big ten guys too. You're trying to manifest this and I don't appreciate it. Maybe I want them to fall. Maybe they draft ckx Hill so they don't have to pay Jesse Bates. Well that's

that that could be. I mean traditionally the Brown family their Ohio state family. But I don't know if they would take a Michigan kid like that. But you know, they really don't care. It's a small, small scann those coaches are gonna make this pick. So I wouldn't be surprised if you know, like we'll see who are just from from maybe would they take they take a tackle again? I know they've added some guys and stuff like that, Raymond.

I mean, I'm just saying I think they have Cannard is Kentucky, which is right across the way from them. They have they have Jonah Williams. Yeah, they and they have Lyle. I don't feel like they don't really need a tackle and guard inside help maybe the center or something like that. I think they would. I think they would have loved to have linder bomb fall there, but

you didn't, obviously from my own entertainment. Who are the biggest red flag guys in this whole draft, Bobby, I mean the ones that were talked about and we're for wildly different reasons where Packers just took We're two Georgia kids. It was George Pickens and DeVante Wyatt. Yeah yeah. Pickens was about maturity. It sounded like and you know, needs to kind of grow up, the opposite of Whyatt was had you know, legal issues and speaking of that, Uh,

we're done worrying about Kelvin Joseph's availability. I didn't say that, Yeah, I don't. I don't know what to make of that. I mean, I mean it sounds like it's it's been put to bed. I was told not to just to kind of let it go and then we'll see what happens. Kind of a thing. Okay, I'm just gonna keep my radar up for the league because that's what I mean. Yeah, but how about but how about how do we feel a corner? Well, they tried to add one last year

with the starters they had. They mean, they were they were like they were looking for one't the if the situation, if the situation presents itself, go for it. But like they don't. They don't need that that desperately that they need to make something happen. I mean, if somehow Kyler Gordon keeps falling, if Kyler Gordon was around them, they would, I think, because if a guy that's not supposed to

be there wind's up there, go for it. Yeah. But I'm only asking that because I've seen the corners mocked to Since and corners mocked to Minnesota. Who's gonna have the final pick of the first round right after this, So we'll see what happens. I mean, just Logan Hall wouldn't go here right Defensive tackle he could Houston. I mean this, I don't know, he's been mocked in the back end of the FIRS. What I'm saying, I mean, you know, kind of thinking that would be particularly the

right around. Like before we really zeroed in on Tyler Smith, I wanted to bring him up and be like, could they like Logan Hall? But they drafted Tyler instead. They do like him. They like him as a three technique, which he's kind of one of those tweeterers that you don't really know exactly what you know. The Cowboys were looking at Logan Hall as a three tech. That's myself where they like him and where they've had him slotted in through the draft process. So Cowboys tamar gonna pick

at fifty six eighty eight. They're gonna have one pick in the fourth, four picks in the fifth, and a six. Yeah, that's the rest of the draft. Come back on Saturday, Sean, I don't think so the whole time. Roger Goodell with the Bengals selection, no more bow ties for me. Appreciate you. Where in the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, the AFC champion Cincinnati Bengal I Bengals Deckson Hill. Here we go look, see the Bengals had to pick somebody Brian loved. You

know what, that's my favorite team in the league. Right, that's a byou Bengal. You know, I mentioned that it's funny because the Brown family really their father, the founder of the Bengals, coached at Ohio State, and I just wondered if they were ever gonna take a Michigan man like that. But they did. Man, that's a great that's a great, you know, great value for a player. Right. That was my sixteenth best player on the board for sure.

Really appreciate that top twenty pick at thirty one. Yeah, good, good pick. Immediately going to come in and play. I'll give my scouting report as I'm pulling it. Yeah, go ahead. Extreme athleticism, flexibility to play over the top end in the box. He has instincts in quick trigger where he doesn't waste a whole lot of steps getting to the ball. He sees a little, sees a lot as one of

those terms you hear from safeties. Doesn't look like he's he's not changed by the not phased by change of direction. And modern NFL has found a nice role for guys like him, and I think He's going to do a very a good thing on the back end of that Cincinnati defense. Like Dave just said, to kind of help out with some contracts. This guy plays with the toughness and edge to him. He's quick to read the route, so fight to get in position. He tackles really well.

Ball skills are there. Kyle's got him right there. I think that when you watch him play, this guy does a really nice job of driving on the play and getting you know, getting himself in position to make that play. He will knock balls down and play offhand and not like wrap his arm around the back of the receiver to get penalties and things like that. I mean, I

said in my final line, I like his ability. He plays smart and he finished his plays big, big time player in my book, Minnesota Vikings, they're not going to waste much time to pick is already in for them. And then after that we will give you a look for tomorrow and the preview with Cowboys on the clock, best players left on the board. And this is what everyone is talking about with this draft is tomorrow really and rounds you know, three through five, which of course

is going to take place on Sunday. Excuse me Saturday as well, Sean Trefkyle Yoman's, David Hellman, Brian brought us and Bobby Belt here on Dallas Cowboys do they're doing this skull chant or whatever it is in Minnesota for pick thirty two. They're all standing up doing this chant here getting ready to close out the draft. So there you go. They have a new leadership there. Mike Zimmer who was a Cowboy defensive coordinator candidate that was brought up.

He's being play So you had a new head coach in there. Um and there was some Kellen Moore rumors connected to Minnesota. So another year for Kirk Cousins to get made fun of with the with the Vikings to see what they can do. Unless this is Malik Willis on the back end, get that fifth year option and make something interesting. I know that's they They need somebody in the secondary. I don't know. Maybe this will be Gordon,

maybe it'll be Booth. It feels like about three lifetimes ago that Kellen Moore was tied to the Vikings job,

Like I completely forgot that happen. I'm trying and I'm looking for Malik Willis teams now that Kyle said that Tampa Bay is going to start tomorrow, by the way, so the Bucks will start then Minnesota, so they have two of the next three picks here, they're gonna pick here, then Tampa, then the Vikings pick second tomorrow, then Tennessee, the New York Giants, the Houston Texans sitting there with others. If I hear any more, Davis Mills love that they're trying to sell this. I was a big fan of

his year. You were, I was like, well, well, like, well, no, I'm coming out of coming out of school. Okay, I'll put it. I'm not trying to convince you that he's good. But if I were the Texans, I would rather stink this year and have a better shot at a better quarterback and next year's draft than draft a guy. Now, okay, well there goes my insult towards the Texans. You guys just killed it. Me and Brian were higher on him, I think than most people. Is terrible problem, the terrible

thank you, you're welcome. We're all way too level headed. I don't know about that. Outside of like the top five quarterbacks like Lawrence and Fields and Wilson and Lance and Jones. Last year, the guys that win the top fifteen. Mills was my next guy up Tennessee. Tennessee could want a quarterback tomorrow. The Giants, maybe the Seahawks picked twice in the forties m back to back, and then Detroit's

still hanging there at forty six. If Detroit could make two picks in the first round and still get a quarterback in the second round, that they'd be pretty happy. And just to summarize NFC eastwise, uh, we're not feeling very good about what the Giants and the Eagles did and fine with the commanders, correct, is that the consensus

in the room. I think Johan Dotson's a good player. Yeah, to the commanders, I don't think we should necessarily write him off immediately, But in comparison, I'm not writing I'm not writing him off. I don't think the Commanders are significantly better after that pick, whereas after what Philly and New York have done tonight, I think and the Giants just to reset, got Thibadeau, got Evan Neil, and then

the Eagles got Jordan Davis and a J. Brown. Yeah, man, I mean, I mean when you talk about Washington, I was going back to that well, we got Roger Goodell coming to the podiums. All right, let's go ahead and complete this first round with the Viking selection at thirty two. What's Roger wearing around his neck? That's a tie. Oh No, Minnesota Viking select Lewis Scene, safety defensive back Georgia. So we had one last picture they run on safeties at

the end of the first round. That all right, let's come back and reset. We'll get these guys winners losers. Day two preview had us a set up for the Cowboys tomorrow and then of course the press conference upstairs with Jerry, Stephen and McCarthy explaining why they went with Tyler Smith, the newest Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman. This is the twenty twenty two NFL Draft on one oh five

through the fan and the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Lewis Scene is the fifth member of that Georgia defense, taken in the first round thirty first best player. How about that, like a captain of that defense is still sitting there for tomorrow. Yes, it is, wow, because he's five eleven four. Yeah, he's gonna make somebody look smart as hell. Shout out to uh our buddy Dane Brugler twenty eight of his top thirty two went tonight. It's pretty good at his job,

fellas he is. Nobody can predict Cole Strange and Lewis was thirty three for him. Yeah, what was the random side note question the size difference, because I'm gonna have to answer this to a lot of listeners tomorrow with Frederick and Linderbaum. Oh it wasn't was three twelve. I think three twelve and he was he was what an inch and a half? I think he was six zero three three if I remember that would be sixty three. Pro Football Reference puts him at six four three twenty.

Obviously that's not ninety six. Okay, yeah, six two two ninety six. I mean it's a significant size difference, but not as much as you would necessarily thin. Arms were two inches longer, his height was two inches more, he was fifteen pounds heavier. I'm just googling Tyler Smith with a lot of this and the headlines. I mean, it may not be funny to you listening, but mel Kiper's final mock causes fan freak out some different analysts on Twitter.

If they ever did this, I'm done. Uh if they draft him I'm not gonna put lipstick on this pig. I'll submit my retirement papers if they do this. The Cowboy mascot rowdy with his head down. So it's just funny seeing some of this reaction to Kuiper's more. We're all colleagues. We share information between each other, like we had we heard his name. Yep, sure they don't. We don't know for sure what that means. And I remember talking to Bobby. I was like, I'm not I'm not

saying he's a good or bad player. I am saying if he's the pick, that will be the rest. That'll be what happens. How hard is it brought us? Obviously, has these really detailed reports judging offensive lineman like they've been pretty good. They've been pretty good at in the first round. I know people are people are getting on my ass about it right now. Pressure go for the pressure that the press conference is on. Here are the Cowboys explaining the pick. We called it a good night.

We got a player that we thought had as much upside as anybody that was on the board, and we were very very sensitive about the fact that we were adding depth and adding real we think insurance due to the fact that our makeup of our offensive line and our starters, we have to take into consideration availability of

our starters. We think we got a player here that not only has the ability to be a starter, but has position flex and so we were very fortunate with the twenty fourth pick to get the sixteenth player in the drag. So I'll start that off with that and then question Stephen. You've got one statement before they ask questions. I'll take questions. Okay, good, and coach you'll talk to you about the if it it's in with the team.

You guys got sixteen places, so you do not consider moving up at all because a lot of activity earlier. I don't know if you guys got to end see at all with so much so many trades today and you shall even consider moving up. We didn't have a player that we thought would at as it turns out where they were taken that was worth what we estimated would be what we'd have to pay to get up if if you had to pay, so we didn't spend

a lot of time. If somebody got closer to us and we're dropping, then we certainly might consider that maneuvering up and down, And that's the way the board fell in there to day, we had three trades right at the buzzer on the last three picks. We had three calls. Stephen have had exactly, but we had three calls and entertained trading on at least two or maybe three of the last three picks. Trade back trade, Yeah, Ken Smith play guard. Is that we talked about position facts. We

got to come in and completed guard. Yeah, Tyler will come in and he will have position flex and really be a left side player. So I'm an opportunity to rep both at the left guard in the left tackle position. That's where we will start them. Um. Real excited about what he he brings, you know, as far as his play style, and I think he's a really good fit fit for our offensive line room. Excited about what's in

front of him. But yes, he'll have opportunity for both left guard left All right, let's take you to the Dallas Cowboys press conference talking about Tyler Smith as their draft pick at number twenty four. The trades you look forward, what does Tyler have that man? That definitely I mean you look at the measurables, so you know, he definitely has the trades of play left tackle. But um, you

know those are conversations. You have all these these prospects, and you know, particularly, I mean personally, have been around a number of those guys that have gone from tackle and have played inside it. So but um, I think Tyler clearly has the ability to play tackle, and you know that's we're going to start him more as a left side player. As far as is Repson and how we view him starting out this week that you expected to give fourteen to sixteen players first round grades. When

you see who as your sixteen player? Did you get him a first round grade we knew we were going to have to take if we were going to take Did we give him a first round grade? We gave him a grade that we knew more than likely we would take in the first round. Now that's that's that's meetly Mouth. That's meetly Mouth. It is a misrepresentation to

not call him a first round player. And we knew that we were going to have to take him in the first round if we got him, and so I think that's the really I do think that's the correct way to do it. We had obviously, we have several players here that don't have first round grades. That were taken ahead of our picks that we didn't have first round grade. SOO, so I think it's really fair and

my anticipated and we anticipated this question. But I think it's fair for us to say that we graded him as a first round player concerned with some of the penalty problems that he had in college, getting some of the palty issues that is offensive playing the last year. I'm definitely aware, you know, of his performance last year, but I definitely are two separate topics of my view, you know, obviously playing at Tulsa and obviously our team

last year. I really don't see any correlation to it. Um. You know, we need to focus on on penalties and we've taken those steps already in offseason program, you know, as far as an emphasis on the things we need to do better, I mean, particularly in the year. He's the fundamentals. Um. So you know Tyler will be part of that, you know, part of the program when he gets here, and UM, I don't have any concerns. Well

we're studdy Tyler Smith. First, get on your radar, Like, can you remember the first time you saw him or when he caught your eye or just when that was it was during the season going through the process looking at you know, when you start talking about the things that are that that you're looking for in the draft, Um, you know, we're looking for good players. But when it came up when we were looking at offensive line, we talked about him in December, um, you know, and you

got to notice him a little bit more. And you know, number one thing is there's a big athletic, physical man and that that's going to play in a big athletic physical league. And that's what we liked about him. Was it a Dallas take out? No? No, what did you guys see getting that private work out for you to say, okay, this is the first round great on in the sense, well, you look for the traits and then you look for

the ability on tape and he showed those. You know, he was a first round type player and you know, capable of competing in his league and you know, we were excited about that and him being local and you know, the temperament that he plays with and being young in the growth and the upside and the potential that's also important too, So did John Brady Manley. It just not equal to the scoptar that work for you to bring remember downut there for one of the thirty visits through.

We all didn't need to do that. We didn't need to do that. We did the homework. We have enough sources and we had spent enough time with him to be comfortable with who the kid was. Excuse me there, I just want to add that, Uh, you know, Joe Filman had a chance to spend the time with them,

and you know, the classroom work is obviously important. You know, we felt great about what he put on video, but you know, the personal workout does give you a chance to get a closer look and particularly spend the time and the one on one time. So obviously he had high marks and all that building film work with them to Outpulso correct. There are a couple of defensive players on the board there, Johnson and Lloyd Or was there

consider strong consideration given taking defense? There was the rage to the point where you knew you were going to go Smith, But I will say, yes, yes, that there

were strong consideration to defense there. We had though predetermined that he was even against defense, and I'm not going to give the specific players, but even against defense, we had determined that he was the leader in the clubhouse if we had a choice, and so we didn't have to have when he dropped, when he was available, we didn't have to have a big discussion and debate and

all that kind of thing we looked over. As a matter of fact, Steven was on the phone with a trade and it turns out that they wanted to trade right ahead of us, and turns out that the trade that was attempted was to get him. We later found that out, So we knew we were in the wheelhouse there, and so we had a very clear despite as clear of on the board decision that I've seen unanimous decision in the room that when he came to us and

we had to pick to take him. That I've been involved in green Zion Johnson, And again we don't have that, and I don't want to get into that, but let me put it like this. We have both of them. Was printed three days ago below him, both of those players and below him. Can you see that serious? Because there's I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious. No, we really did have him ready to blow it. No, we really did both of them. Your question, Well, hey man, let

me just say this. The other part. The other part is I'm looking to I don't see. I'm trying to see who's on here. I'm trying to see who's on here. There wouldn't be but if they're, if you take out the quarterbacks, it won't be anybody on heres. The key thing for you know, the only thing I would add to this, the key thing Smith is just his ability were taking can be our left tackle for a long time at some point in time. Obviously we got the best in the business now and Tyron Smith, but uh,

at some point his ability. We really believe he can be a really top top left tackle. It. I guess that's holds debate right about the trades and production of this process. You you value the phrase you more because you build like the perfect off. It's long with the penalties. How do you valance stay well? I think the one thing you got to remember about him is he played sixteen games. He had half a COVID year, and then he played last year. And he did play against some

good competition. I'm playing against Ohio State, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati. You know, when you talk about Tulsa, you think, well, competition level of Colm. But I think there's a lot of things that you know, our coaching staff Mike and coach Philman and Blastgow will do to help him quickly. He's very intelligent young man. I think he'll pick it right up and he's gonna have top nights coaching, and

h just feel very comfortable with that. In terms of the trade, I think, you know, when you're talking about a first round pick and what we could have gotten to move down, and Jerry is right, I happen to be good friends with the team that was calling. He sent me a tax right after we pay and said he glad you didn't trade with us. That was our guy.

So um anyway, it's uh, you know, I think when you're talking about your first round pick, which you pick up, it's a good you know, resonates that you want to be careful. They're getting too cute in terms of moving down, you know, two, three, four or five picks. You gotta be careful with that. You know. He talked about the nasty or that y'all talk with the nast and set him as a player in talkas is that avocating memories of Eric Leavings for you. Oh well, he's one of

the nastiest I've ever played through here. I mean lyle Collins had that to him and certainly, you know, we miss that, you know, we're gonna miss that with Lyle. But I think certainly he brings this to the table Smith does and uh, you know that was you know, at the top of the redeeming qualities and one of many. But certainly that's a big, big part of why we

liked him. What did you learn about this mentally in terms of visibility to take the chine and go from the player that he's today is the player that you guys believe you one day. I think the biggest thing, I mean, I think we're all saying it is he has a tremendous ceiling. You know, he's a young man to what twenty years old, twenty one, you know, only

played sixteen games. You know, some of his mistakes penalties and were of aggressive nature, so that those are the ones you're definitely you'd rather be done with combative, combative things that you can learn from. So but yeah, definitely, everything, like I said, everything checked out. I know Joe, Joe was very comfortable with him. I know the answer to this question, coach, because I talked to you about it.

Is there a position on the entire football team that you have to project anymore, or that you have to develop anymore from college to prose than the offensive way.

It's it's definitely that I'd say no that that demo quarterback, and especially I think the thing get recognize in this conversation Jerry and I had is in today's you know, offseason program, everything set up, the offensive lineman really are at a disadvantage because you know, they really don't get to really get the hand to hand combat until we get the training camp. So you know, you know, we talk about all those things. But he has a tremendous sailing.

We're excited about that. But the minute you go offensive line, you've got to plan on. But I don't care what level he is. He's got some projection in him from the way he played in college. It's just a real different game in the offensive line to really effectively eliminate the kind of things that were great an offensive line about it one of them being mistakes and one of them being taken egg. So I don't care who you

drafted offensive line, you've got some work to do. The last time you all dropped to the line in the first round, it was I heard one in four years the line was maybe even a little bit of a transition your building to what you ended up with. I forgot it if you like. The line is kind of at that point again where it's a little bit of a transition phase and you're sifting from what he had back then to what you're looking at Cornball. I think

we're doing a nice job with it. I mean, one of the things we talked about after we made the pick is, you know, I think Mike was you know, verbalized it perfect. I mean, we look at Smith as being a left side position player, Ball as the right side position player who obviously we have a you know, a big resource in and we think a lot of him,

and then we got Farniac in the middle. So it's you know, three young guys there that we really, uh you know, think a lot of and think are ready to you know, when their time comes to make that jump and you throw still in that mix and uh be Auditch and that mix. You know, it's a good group of young players. Now obviously you know zach and and Tyrn you know, you know, been in the league

while and certainly the best in the business. But I do think you know, we've done We're doing a good job of getting the right pieces in place to be able to push those guys in as we move forward. Certainly, Connor McGovern's a young player as well, and you know he's going to get an opportunity to compete this year as well. But uh, you know, I really like how we're trainingsitioning, and but at the same time, I think we still have a chance to have, you know, a

top top offensive line in this league. Important to that point, you just having the room in place we bring you guy like Tyler in terms of evans that just the coaches which the veterans forgo you can learn guys like hiring guys like that. How critical is that forty version development. It's awesome. I mean, that's that's what you want as a coach. And uh, we're very fortunate to have those

those veteran players. And I think just as a whole our locker room, just spending some time with the leadership council this week on on a you know, on a couple of things that you know, to deal with the offseason program. This is a very very strong locker room, especially the offensive line room. Even you were saying the other day that you thought you had as many top of the second round grades on players. It was as

deep as it's been in a while. As you win this first night, is that still a pretty good cluster there for you going into tomorrow? It's tempted out pretty good. I mean, when you only have fourteen first round picks and you know there's communication around the league. I don't think we were I think that was pretty much down the middle in terms of what other teams felt like

they had in the first round. And so when that's what you have, what's coming next or those type of the second rounders, and you know they picked through us pretty good there. I mean, it was getting tight there at the end in terms of, you know, who was going to be available to us, in terms of when we picked at twenty four. Think of some of our competitors in their division what they did deceive me, because yeah, at least two picks before you guys, and they picked

some great football players and then they got better. You know, I think all three teams in our division all got better. So you know, certainly the bars said high and we got to go to work. You see, defensive landing, go to your community. Me how much that even within this night, the possibility of going to the offensive play and I think it's critical. I think we've got to match that. I mean, look at what Philly did with the big tackle and Giants and you know with the pass rusher.

I mean it's we've got you know, we've got to go to work there. And obviously that fronts always going to be a priority force both sides of the line. Uh, you know, it's critical. That's where the football game. Coach McCarthy always says it. Uh, you know, that's when you get to play off football. That's where you got to be strong. Even when you say that your team got better as well, though, I mean, was this ane position and a guy that you said to come right in

and start? You know, I don't want to put them come right in and start. I mean we've got a good competitive situation there, but I do think we got much better. Uh you know with this pick. I mean we've got still a lot of work to do. Eight draft picks left, but it's one player. But certainly we're very pleased with what we ended up with. Tyrants missed games and I think he's paid a full season since

twenty fifteen. Did you have to start thinking about was now the right time to start thinking about his future and how you eventually have to replace him. Well, as you know, he's phenomenal, He's had had a great career, and we believe he's got a lot of tread left

left Tyrant does. But to the end that we were able to come in here with this kind of potential talent and have somebody that we think can help us this year with this pick and basically mail in if you will, what Tyran is about, what Martin, what all of that particular statue is in the offensive line, it's a great place to be putting some talent in the middle of it, and it's a great talent to work with.

And it would be a misnomer to think that if you had offensive line beside your name tonight for the Cowboys that you didn't have a little extra attention because it was. It feels good to have gotten a player of this caliber in with that team within a team offensive what it's good, this good move and we're proud of jaredy Hall stop. Stop, thanks guys, All right, wrapping up, let's go yes sir, yes, So we are back on

the internet side of things. That was the post draft post first round press conference, with Will McClay, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and Mike McCarthy back here on the Draft Show. He's David Hellman, He's Brian brought us Bobby Belt and Sean Shariffe have vacated their area. They've got one oh five three the fan duties, Sean in the morning and then Bobby on the fan for the rest of the night. Yeah,

you're exactly right. Sean's a trooper man. He's like to go from this and he's probably he's he's finished watching the MAVs game, and then he'll be up at like four AM to get that show ready. Good for you, Sean, You're a beast, and he's gonna be right back up here or did Sean won't be, but Bobby Belt will go until one and at one o'clock am, and then he'll turn around and be right back up here for

our coverage starting at six o'clock Central time tomorrow. We will be on one oh five three to fan and on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com side of things as well. Brian, let's wrap up Night one. It was unexpected, to say the least, from picks one through twenty three, and it really provided a tough situation for the Cowboys. At pick twenty four, they select Tyler Smith, offensive tackle slash offensive lineman overall from Tulsa. What are your thoughts on the night?

You know what I mean? When I look at my excuse me, when I look at my board and how I have it ranked, that's this is me. And again I put my board out there for everybody to see. You can go on my Twitter, Dave. I need to send it to you so you can maybe. Yeah, I'll get it printed out for you to print out right so everybody can see it the right way. But you know, yeah, I didn't have this guy as high as everybody else,

you know. And and we and we and this was one of those things where I'm watching him play and I'm thinking about technique. We talk about the holdings and stuff like that, you know. But I that's my evaluation of him, you know. And I'm admitted I was wrong about Travis Frederick. You know, the same exact things that I think about, Oh, third round, Travis Frederick always not this, not that whatever, you know. And then Travis Frederick is an all pro player, you know, And I am I

concerned about the some of the lack of the technique. Yes, am I concerned about some of the holding calls, Yes I am, you know, but we'll see, We'll see. He is a big, powerful man that's got is a very good athlete, you know, and if they can, if they can work with that. I wouldn't say that immediately he's going to be plug and play. I think there's going to be some some things along the way that he's going to have to learn and get better at it.

But you know that that's what they needed. They're they're looking at offensive lineman, they're looking at guards. They had him a lot higher than I had him on my board. So am I happy about them? They got who they wanted. Yeah, I was me like I say, I'm kind of looking at the board like Tyler Lindenbaum, you know, some others. But they weren't going to take those guys. See that's again my board. Am I happy about it? From what I saw? No, I felt like they took a third

round player. That's you know, That's how I see. But to them, that know, and they don't give a rats you know what about what I think? Either, they really don't. They don't. They don't care about it, you know, And and you know what, I'm I'm interested to see how he comes in and plugs and play. And my hope for Cowboy fans is that he is a guy that is is this is this drafts uh, Travis Frederick where

I'm really really wrong about the player. Hometown kid, Fort Worth native, went to North Crowley High School, and now he is a part of the Dallas Cowboys. And it makes things interesting on the offensive line moving into the training camp in the latter parts of this offseason, moving into the preseason, because there's competition there. Now, Yeah, well that would smiss a part of it. It's irrelevant how good he is right now because we have no way

of knowing. Like, we'll argue about this all summer, we'll go to training camp, we'll see how he does. So like and this is just the way I view things, Brian, you know, like all these years, I always I'm just like, I'm really more focused on the strategy than like the grade, and so I just look, I'm like, Okay, they said they had no musts. I tend to not believe it because this is what they did in the for a month.

I think that's what their goal was all the way around. Now, they've got a guy that they think can push for the starting guard job and be an insurance policy at tackle. And so now we check that. I don't think I'm not gonna say you don't need to worry about O line, but I don't think we need to be hunting O linemen tomorrow. And now you can talk about receivers, you can talk about tight ends, you can talk about edge rushers.

That's where mind mind goes because I've gotten in way too many arguments on Thursday night after the first round about guys that we were wildly right on and wildly wrong on. Like it almost feels like a waste of breath. It's like, Okay, this was the pick. It's not what a lot of people would have done. We'll see how it pans out. Yeah, I again, that's that these this is what was crazy about their draft, or not the Cowboys draft, but just the draft overall. You know, you know,

I'm looking at my board. I had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. I had eleven players taken out of the second round, and then I had a player taken out of the third, which was Smith. And then you look at what the Patriots did you know was strange I had in the fourth you know, so this was one of those drafts that was kind of crazy in that way that maybe you know that that you know, and I don't know.

I don't know if they the fact that they I don't know if if it's true or not about that they had Smith over Johnson and Green. You know, I kind of find that a little bit hard to believe. Hard to believe, but again, that's their board. Yeah, I have my board. They have their board. You know, their board matters more than my board. And I'm glad you brought that up because a lot of people on Twitter, and deservedly so, are saying the word reach. They felt

like he reached on Tyler Smith. And in your opinion, yes, and in our opinion to a certain extent, yes, Brian said it already. It's a third round player on his board. He was a second round player on my board. They thought that we think that's a reach to them, that might not be a reach. They may have gotten their guy. It's it's in beauties in the guye of the beholder. They know the player more than we do to a certain except they worked him out at Tulsa. They were

at his pro day. He's a hometown product. They had plenty private So the next time an NFL team doesn't get their guy, I'll be the first time. Though. I agree, by the way, that's the second and second part about it, that that makes sense. And they'll get two more of their guys tomorrow. Yeah, they'll get up to and they'll say, we could not believe that so and so and so and so were there, but here we are just having the best luck of all time. I mean, that's kind

of how this thing works. But no, I, like I said, I mean, I'm like, I've done this too many times to just emphatically think it was a good or bad decision. But when you snapshot this thing, when we're here years from now talking about this, it'll be this three pick stretch right here, number twenty four to number twenty six, Tyler Smith, actually no, to twenty seventh. There, Tyler Smith, Tyler Linderbaum, Jermaine Johnson, Devin Lloyd. That's how this draft.

Those were all three players that I had. I had two of the three in the first round. Lloyd was my seventh best overall player, Linderbaum was at ten, you know, and then with Johnson. I had he was the He was my top rated player in the second in the second round. So yeah, And you know that's the great thing about this is we come on, we talk about it, we analyze this, and I hadn't been in a war room in a long time. I'm just looking at the players. I'm just taking the best, the best tape I can

get and watching this guy. They have a hell of a lot more about this guy. And the one thing they've proven to me is they could take first round lineman and make it work. So that's my hope. That's my hope. I'd be more than happy to admit some day at the Lake that I was dead ass wrong about this guy. You know that I had a third round grade. But I do see a big man. I do see a guy that plays that does a great job in the run game as far as getting pushed.

But I think there's some things technically that he's going to have to clean up in this league. I just think we spend so much time hyping this up and it takes a whole year to come back around. We always forget, we get lost in the hype of the draft. I think the Cowboys draft grades are guidelines. You know, they had a higher grade on Micah than the cornerbacks last year, but they were going to take a cornerback above him jumping tags, I guess. And I don't know

what their board looks like right now. They say that, they say that he had a first round grade. I don't know if I buy that. Maybe he really was the highest grade left or maybe he filled the role that they circled before the draft is what they needed to do. They did a really good job of keeping that a secret from people. Unless kept it closes. This

is as good as a job as they've done. Unless on top of it, you know, and maybe maybe somebody like and I'm not gonna say mil kiper got lucky, you know, got lucky here, because there's some people that picked They picked Tyler Smith, you know, in this in this draft, and you know, I'm impressed if you you know, I mentioned lanz Zerline picking you know, Kenyan Green at Texas A and m at you know, thirteen fourteen, whatever that pick was. So I mean, some of these guys,

you know, they knew what was going on. And I'm not saying that mil kiper knew what was going on, but maybe that was a player. He thought, well, heck, I gotta put an offensive lineman too, Dallas, and I got all these other guys gone. You know, that might be just filling in the spots right there. But hey, I hope I do. I hope he works out very, very well for the Cowboys. I have my doubts, but again, that is a big, big, big man. That's an athlete.

Congratulations to Tyler Smith. He was the twenty fourth overall selection, the newest Dallas Cowboy. We got to talk to him a little bit earlier on one oh five three the Fan. We'll also have two more draft picks at the moment tomorrow. There could be some chance for more draft picks along the way. They've got four fifth round picks they could play around with. Maybe they jump back in to the

third round and make something happen. But that's gonna do it for us here on Night one of the twenty twenty two NFL Draft Special Thanks to everybody who's helped pull this off, not only tonight but throughout the entire draft process. Chris Beam, Matt Kent, Tim Collins, All, Ted Nichols, Pain all a big, huge part of this in the back making things happen. Jasmine Marshall back there as well. William hanging out too, Man, William boykins On takes a

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