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a wonderful Tuesday edition of The Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's, Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us David Hellman with you as we are here for the next hour talking about some of the favorite draft prospects and even the draft thinking whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys in resort of Super Bowl fifty five and how that might shift the thinking. But before we get into that, just kind of wanted

to talk about that Super Bowl. I feel like we didn't get a chance to go through really our predictions or our thoughts on the super Bowl last week because we were busy breaking down the Senior Bowl instead of the super Bowl. But now that the Super bowls in the rearview here, Bucky, were you surprised about the Buccaneers getting in there and getting a thirty one to nine victory. Another super Bowl ring for Tom Brady and the way

that that team was constructed. Well, I mean, now that I get to talk after the Super Bowl, I don't have them put up my prediction. No, I wasn't surprised. I knew all along that when you look at these defense not I mean I didn't expect the Buccaneers to be able to do what they did. But then when you see the game play out, I think there's some things that always go hand in hand. If you invest in the offensive and defensive lines, you always have a chance.

If you put speed on defense, particularly at the second level, it gives you a chance. And from a coaching staff standpoint, if you do things that are necessary to eliminate the big plays, you have a chance to win games. And the Tampa by Buccaneers played I would almost say the perfect game, but they played pretty flawless on both ends. And I think the way that They're constructed. They were just a team that was perfectly constructed to beat the

Kansi to cheese playing the way that they played, right. Yeah, you know, it's funny. When I was in the scouting world when my team got eliminated, I didn't watch the playoffs or the Super Bowl or anything like that. I just I just immediately started in the tape. And you know, it's so funny. And now that I'm on the media side of things, I actually do watch the game. I think the thing that we didn't give Tampa enough credit

for was their ability to adjust their defensive scheme. You know, after giving up four hundred and sixty seven yards passing in Week twelve, you know, Todd Bowles realized, listen, I can't play this way and have it come out. I do think though, that the buccane years playing Kansas City close in Week twelve, going toe to toe with him, I think that gave him some ideas that, like, you know what, we'll be okay if we have to play

these guys. And at that point in time, you know, that was their last loss and they've reeled it off like a eight straight victories now to win the Super Bowl. So I think playing the Chiefs in Week twelve helped them. I think you have to have a coaching staff that's willing to adjust. And if you look at the way that Todd as what Todd Bulls did, but what Jason

light did the General Manager's Buccaneers. You know, he went out and kind of built this thing through the draft, through the linebackers, their safety, but he also worked through free agency to get a couple of different players to help with that defensive line. So it's clearly possible to do when you start to talk about team building, that you can construct your team to compete with one of the best teams in the National Football League. And I think, Kyle is this is what we're going to get into.

I'm going to avoid the knee jerk reaction this year, Brian. That's what we were talking about before the show. I'm going to avoid the knee jerk reaction because I certainly did not expect Tampa. This is very unlike you to do this. By the way, thank you, Yeah, I appreciate. Did we change your mind going into the show? That's what I wanted to do. No, I just I think, like you know, and it's understandable because only one team

gets to win the Super Bowl every year. But like everybody looks at the Super Bowl winner as like having this secret sauce. You know, like everybody spent eight years chasing the Seattle Seahawks because they built that incredible team that made two Super Bowls, and everybody wants to find the next Patrick Mahomes for a similar reason. But you look at the Buccaneers. This was a pretty decent team last year with a pretty ferocious pass rush last year.

By the way, Devin White was a stud as a rookie. Lavante David has been an underrated All Pro caliber player for a long time. Shack Barrett had twenty sacks and JPP had nine last year. So you take that core and add to it a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame tight end, a top five pick running back, and a crazy albeit very talented, All Pro caliber wide receiver. Uh. You know, I picked Kansas City to win that game. I definitely thought that it would be more competitive even

if Tampa did win. But I shouldn't be surprised that this Tampa Bay team was Super Bowl caliber. And on top of that, not to take too much credit away from them, I don't care what you say. If if Mitchell Schwartz and Eric Fisher are available for that game, I think Kansas City wins. I think the Chiefs win if they can protect Pat Malomes. So I don't I don't know. I don't know, Bucky just I don't know.

I don't know. Like and I think I think this right because like the guys that Dave rout it off, those guys made contributions in the Super Bowl, but they weren't really the coin radiance of the cake that the big Buccaneers baked, like Antonio Brown and Rob Gronkowsky. They showed up in the Super Bowl, but they have been relatively quiet the whole time. I think the strategy is a league quarterback and elite playing the trenches will always give you a chance. Like this team, quietly to Tristan

Worth's in the first round, solidified the offensive line. They're able to run the football because as much as we would give credit to Tom Brady, they won in the playoffs because playoff Lenny showed up and they began to play old school football. They've managed the game. They let their defense create a ton of takeaways and it really set them up. And so when I look at this

team in terms of the lessons that we can learn. Man, if you got pass rushers, if you have speed at linebacker, if you can bully people at the offensive line, it doesn't really matter what you have outside. It gives you a chance to get to that point where you can play playoff football. This is gonna sound nitpicky, but I would just say those guys showed up in the entire playoffs.

You know, I'd be like Flournette caught fire, Gronkowski played well in the playoffs, like it wasn't just the Super Bowl. But I don't, I don't disagree with you, and I guess just my and not to give tom Brady all of the credit, but this was a seven and nine team with a lot of the same core contributors, and they win the Super Bowl because they have Tom Brady

and again not just because of him. Yeah. My final point about this guy's is and we talk about how to build teams, but also about coaching, Todd Bowles went out of his element to make a game plan that could help his defense win. On the other hand, Andy Reid eric the enemy with the compromised offensive line, they should have tried to run the football. They should have tried to wear down Tampa's rush, and when Tampa made them one dimensional, that was it. It was over, you know,

I mean both teams. If you look at Tampa, Tampa didn't run the ball until late in the year. I mean it was they were the one team that every time you looked up they were last in the league. When it came to second down, they were second and eight all year, you know. And I think that when you look at Bowls the plan he did Andy read them. On the other side, they didn't protect that offensive line.

That offensive line was compromised. Maybe you could have helped them by trying to run the football and maybe lean on Tampa Bay's pass rush a little bit and make them have to do that. Even though the Bucks were number one in the league when it came to run defense, I think you still had to try it. And they didn't. They exposed their quarterback to a beating because they weren't willing to adapt their their game plan like Todd Bowles

was on the other side, and you did right. So here here, here's here's fun David, and I want to get get this out. So here's the thing that I think we all struggle with right because we just saw this last year with the Cowboys. There's a thing where you can say, hey, we do what we do, right, that's what we do as it was right they had twenty five and one coming into this game doing what they do. We play eleven personnel. We don't go two tight ends. We're faster than you. You can't stop us.

Deal with it. And then you have the other way where you talk about Todd Bowles utilizing maybe a multiple prong approach, like hey we can play some cover two, we can play three, will blitz, will do all this. And so it's the debate because we saw that approach fail in Dallas where Mike Nolan wanted to be hey, let's be multiple, let's throw all this stuff out and let's do all these different coverages, and the players are like,

h no, I can't do that. And so it's it's funny and I do wonder what lessons will be learned from watching how Tampa Bay win. You know, this is an interesting thing to watch. There was also this out there too, and I'll oh, sorry, Kyle, go ahead, no, go for it, Dave. I just this this is not new, but I'll tie it into the Cowboys, and they're very obvious draft needs. This is like as old of an

adage as there is. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking, but it's hard not to notice that these two teams were very strong up the middle defense of Lee. Right, you talk about you talk about getting Vita Vaya back from a broken ankle, you talk about you know, and Domikinsue has been a beast for a decade. Uh, Devin White and Lavonte David. Like I said, I don't like the idea of drafting off ball linebackers super high, but if you're telling me it's Levante David or Devin White, I'm

pretty damn interested. And then you got you know, you have you have guys like h Antoine Winfield, junior Tyron Matthew making plays all over the field. I don't know if it would have changed the outcome, but the the Tyre and Matthew interception that got taken away was bs that should have been a pick. Well, I'll see you what too. And again we're going back. We've talked about this so previous shows. The shorter players they have opportunity.

Now you know, CHRISTI should turn away from the shorter player if you could play, you could play, and it's it's it's there are some things about the measurables that you you should believe in. But if you could play, you could play. And that's the things about guys like Winfield and those linebackers Tampa. You know, if you could run, if you could cover, if you could get to the ball, if you could finish, we you know, we have to consider you because again, you just can't say, oh, we're

gonna get this kind of guy and this kind of guy. No, you have to keep your eyes open for all types of players to make part of your roster. And going off of that, Brian, and you're talking about these players that can play, and you're talking about the tape and even whether or not the position specifically it fits. Whatever your defense is, does this change your thought process about a guy like a Mica and Parsons. And I know, Dave, whenever you were talking about off ball linebackers, that's who

you were referring to, especially at pick number ten. But Brian, if you're talking about finding those players, the film is there for Micah Parsons, it's the character, it's the drive kind of concerns that might kind of stray you away. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I think with Parsons, you have to look at his situation and say, okay, yeah, physically he looks great, but does he make enough plays?

I mean, And that's the that's the scary part of these evaluations is you can get as a scout, as we all watch these tapes and these games, you can get mesmerized by how big he is good, he looks in that number eleven running around out there. But you know, the bottom line is is he in on every tackle. That's the thing when you watch the guys like White and David and those guys they're in college, they're in

on every tackle. Yeah, that's the things that gets you excited about watching take Winfield the same way, the reason why you would take a shorter safety is because this kid would knock you out, he'd play the ball, he finished as a tackler. Those are the types of things you look for, and I think with Parsons you get scared.

You honestly get scared because there'll be four or five plays where he's just not involved and you're thinking, damn, a guy that big has to be in the middle of all this, you know, and you wonder if it's immatured, if it's just football intelligence, is it just desire. I mean,

all these things kind of pop in your head. But you watch him play, how he looks physically on the field, you become seduced by watching that, and that's a scary thing to have to deal with, I think, Brian, I think a couple of things that you touched on that are intriguing to me. One we talk about like the off the ball linebacker conversation. I think that's a fascinating conversation because I don't know where those adages came from, but it's kind of like we talk about the off

the ball linebacker. I just know this. When I watched Devin White and Lavante David play, they suck up everything. And I think if you go back and watch them in college, they did the same exact thing. Like their energy, their relentlessness, their passion in terms of pursuing the ball, it stands out. And then I'm gonna be honest, maybe some of this is old school, Like I like guys that not taste out your mouth, Like Devin White when he was hitting the Kansa City Chiefs, he was hitting

them to put them out. And I think when we get to the playoffs and those things, you need to have those kinds of guys. I think when Michael Parsons, I think the first thing that we have to do before we talked about him, who is coaching him? Because I think you have to scout the coaches because if you have a guy who can get that out of him,

then it's one thing. But if you have a mild mannered linebacker coach, a more cerebral linebacker coach, a one who can't kind of like urge and take out the pronger and kind of get that, you're wasting your time because he's never going to change or he's not going to raise his standard of expectation when it comes to it.

But in looking at him, man like, I know he hasn't played in the year, but when you see him his ability to blitz, his size and strength, when he turns it on and he runs through people, you feel his presence on tape. Can you get him to hustle more? I don't know. I think that's where you have to dig into the character of him and see how much does he love it, because if he loves it, he'll play hard. Yeah, see this is the thing we talk

about too. If you watch the Notre Dame kid Koragora, Yeah, he's two hundred and twenty pounds and making every single tackle. I mean he is, and he is in every single play. You watch him play and you're like going, my gosh, this kid's a good football player. You know. You watch the kid Bolton, It's another one we've talked about from Missouri.

He's a shorter guy, he's in every single play. Those are the kinds of things when you're looking at a sixty three, two hundred forty four pound linebacker, you're expecting that from him. And that's what's scary. That is what's so scary because but but to what the point I was making earlier, you shouldn't be afraid of the Notre Dame linebacker. You shouldn't be afraid of the Missouri linebacker. You know why because they're making plays, they're finishing tackles,

they're physical, is what they're doing. There's no questions about those guys. So there's guys out there and you but the coaches, like Bucky said, have got to be willing to coach them hard when they have to to to entertain Like maybe they have some flaws, work around those flaws, help them develop a little bit. That's where coaching comes into that guy. But if you if you reach a guy like that, that kid at Penn State, you could have a rear player. You really really could, David, if

you if you have win guys here. I was going to ask you this really quickly. If you have one guy out of that list of linebackers that could potentially fit with the Cowboys, and you could take them up, and you could pluck them right there, and you think that no matter what round it is, it could be in any round, which one would you do it for? Would it be Core Moore, would it be would it be a Bolton? Is it still Parsons? Up at the top of the draft? Which one would you take, pluck

and put right in the middle of that Cowboys defense? Well, that's actually I was about to say, is and I think we've brought this up since dan Quinn was hired, But I think you have to consider a different class of linebacker in light of the type of linebackers that dan Quinn has favored in the past. Like I've you know, I've brought up Dion Jones, Devin White's LSU teammate. He's he's six six foot and a half two twenty five like the Saint A. These aren't hulking monster lie backers.

And they made him a second round pick. And I brought this up last night. I'm I'm not the guy. I'm gonna leave that to Brian to tell you where you need to draft these guys. But I freaking and or Bucky for that matter, I love Jeremiah Ousuko Orma like. He's fun to watch. I think he's got a very modern element to his game in the sense that you know, Notre Dame moves him over to the slot to handle some of that. He can play linebacker, he can probably

do a little safety. He blitzes, he gets after the quarterback, he tackles everything, he makes plays on the ball, and that's all the stuff that I want from somebody in the middle of my defense. So I'm not sure if he's worth the tenth overall pick, but I like that guy a lot. I would be thrilled to have him on my defense. He's a good player, and I think

everything you guys talk about matters. And I'm glad that you brought up the point about DQ because I think that really changes the temperature when it comes to the linebackers that will be in the conversation, because if you go back and you look at his history, and you look at the history when those guys were in Seattle, those linebackers aren't prototypical size wise. Those guys are fast

guys that play and can go sideline the sideline. I do think the one thing that stands out, I don't know if he's ever been around a first round linebacker, like I think Bobby Wagner was a second rounder. kJ Wright was someone that went later in the draft. You go to Atlanta, they never invested a first rounder and

a linebacker. So I think it's probably looking a little bit beneath the surface to try and find who's in that next tier who has those Lavante David Devin White, fast playmaking trace that you're like, Okay, if I put them behind big defensive tackles, they can run and flow and do all those things that you wanted to do. The guy that was interesting to me in that case, and I think you're dead on with this, Bucky. I just don't see them using a first round pick. I mean,

I love the Notre Dame kid. I would because I see in the stay in age how you have to have and it's an overused term. We do it all the time with the radio, the position flex. Rod Marinelli used to wear us out about position flex and all that. But you watch Coreymoor play. He's lining up in the slot, he's lining up at linebacker, he's you know, he's doing everything. And maybe this was what killed Isaiah Simmons last year at Clemson, that we watched him so much doing so

many different things and he didn't do anything. You know, It's like put him in a spot, let him play. So maybe if you look at the second tier linebackers, I might drive you guys nuts with this guy. But the Pete Warner kid from Ohio State to me six one, two thirty five, he runs, he tackles. Here's a guy that probably is not going to be a first round guy, but man, in the second round, you're picking at forty four. I'm kind of liking what I'm seeing with this guy

because he's got that ability. He was a converted safety, so he kind of understands like the coverage aspect of things. But he also is you put him down there as a linebacker. He's getting after people. He's running sideline to sidelines, he's getting he's getting behind the line of scrimmage, he's

making plays. He's a finisher. So I mean, those are the types of guys I'm looking at for potentially if they didn't go first round at linebacker, Bucky, Bucky, cover your ears real quick, because I don't want I don't want you to hear this at linebackers. I don't want you to hear this linebacker slander. But that would be that would be an ideal outcome for me. Like I'm not dying to spend Like I've said this before, I'm not dying to spend a top ten pick at that position.

If you're if you're telling me, I can get one of the premier positions like a cornerback or an offensive tackle in the first round instead and still find a plug and play linebacker. You know, Lavante David. I looked this up. He was like the fifty eighth overall thing. Of course, it's not a given you're gonna draft Lavonte David, but like, you can find guys with that upside in the second third round. Much rather take my chances there and draft a more valuable position at the top of

the draft. You know, I'm not opposed to that strategy day like that's that's I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like sometimes you have to make an exception, like in the top out, Like I think it was very clear to see when we watched Devin White. Hey, he's a different dude, Like those different dudes should get graded as such. Much like I had a tough time considering Quinn Nelson as the number three overall pick as a

guard because I've been trained. Man, there's no way we can find the guard in the fifth, six, seventh round. We always can find the guard because they always have neighbors around them. But then when you see a player who comes in who is knocking guys off the screen, you kind of have to be considered like, Okay, well maybe we'll do this. But I think I look, I think the first round, like now, when we look at it, it really should be reserved for four positions. It is quarterback,

offensive tackle, pass rusher, and then cornerback. Like that's kind of where it is, like that's the meat and potatoes. That's that's what it is. And then when we look at those other positions, you can find him I'm not saying that like, hey, I won't take a Lenifrenette or whatever someone like that, but you can find those guys in other rounds. Yeah, angried kind of what you were talking about earlier with dan Quinn and him never having

been around a first round linebacker. That makes me even more confident that you can find a second or third round guy, especially if you have two second round picks. With that Byron Jones comp pick that comes in, you've got three picks of the second and the third round that Day two slot. You can pick up a linebacker there, Dave and pluck them right in the middle of that defense.

And then all of a sudden you're cooking with gas because you go and find one of those guys like Brian's talking about that, going those finish the play, finish the tackle that are on tape that show out. That's something you haven't seen from a Cowboys perspective, maybe since you drafted Laton vander esh in the first round. But now you don't have to spend that first round pick

on it. Now you don't have to do that. So Brian, if you're looking at somebody's second and third round linebackers, does that make you feel better about the fact that you can find a Day two guy rather than spend that top ten pick. What I hope is that Dan Quinn brings the same magic that he brought when you start talking about linebackers and his ability to evaluate. And let's be honest, guys, the defensive coordinator and the offensive coordinator have a lot of say in what happens with

the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, we'll go back to the draft with Jalen, with Jalen Ramsey and Ezekiel Elliott. It was it was Rod Marinelli and Chris Richard that stepped up said no, take Zeke. Take Zeke. That'll help us, that'll keep us off the field. You know, they didn't fight for Jalen Ramsey, but but then again, they thought Jalen Ramsey was a safety. You know that that just kind of that shows you kind of how that thing was going. They weren't sure where they were going to play it.

But the defensive coordinator carries a big stick in that room. And you know, my hope is that these coaches from Atlanta, they've got some good defensive players over the years, they've dropped it some good defensive players. I'm hopeful though, that they that they come with the right like that they're able to convey to the scouts. Hey, my scheme needs this. You know. You know last year we heard uh Mike Nolan saying, oh, we'll adapt to whatever players we have. No,

you didn't, you really didn't know, you know. So I need I need evaluators. I need the scouts and the coach, the defensive coordinator. I need them on the same page. But I need him to be able to tell them, like, listen, this is why I think this guy. This is why I think core more even though we're picking at ten and he probably should be picked at fifteen to eighteen, this is why I would take him right now. You know that's the kind of I need passion from my

coach to help the scouts along to figure this out. Yeah, I have a question. Does this mean we're moving on from jay Less Smith? Is Is that what this mean? Because we've had a lot of conversation for five minutes, Oh, linebacker, and I think the evaluation. I think there's you know what is do you think about Jayles Smith and l Vee? Does he feel like he can fix him? Does he have any choice in terms of no I can move on from or no, you have to keep him at

least for another year. I think that's the meeting, not the question, shameless plug, because I've actually, you know, we're kind of doing a series where we assess every position group on the roster and where it stands right now. I've I've written a lot of words about the linebacker position over the last three days. It's it's very interesting because you think about Layton vander Esh his option deadline is coming up. If the Cowboys don't pick it up,

then he's only under contract for one more year. I think ultimately, I think it's gonna be heavily on how much Dan Quinn thinks he can fix Jalen. Whether he's here or not. I wouldn't be surprised either way, Like I really, I would not be surprised if he's here next year. I would not be surprised if he's gone. But either way, I just think, and then obviously, you know,

Sean Lee might be done playing football all together. We'll happen to see so you could it's equally possible that all three of your top linebackers could be back, and it's equally possible that you could need to like redo the entire position. Oh, I think the Cowboys gonna ask Jalen Smith to take a pay cut. Yeah, I think there's I don't think this is gonna be one of those things where they're gonna be real nice about it. They're gonna say, listen, we need you to we need

you to redo your contract. And if he agrees, I think he still has a job. If he doesn't, then we need to be talking about every one of these linebackers, like we need to be talking about every one of these quarterbacks. You know. I mean that's that the Dallas Cowboys could go. They will say one hundred different ways in this draft, and every one of them would probably help this team. And you can, you can, we could

all laugh about the quarterback thing like that. That that right there is getting We're down to day, we're down to weeks now on this decision, and we might get a greed base situation here with the Cowboys. You might get Dak Prescott on a tag and have to draft his successor in order, because if they don't get a deal done, you'd be ready for him to walk, is what I is what I should say. You know, that's that's the easy way to look at it. Right now, that's the easy way to look at it. Whenever you

tag him, that's what you're saying. I mean, everybody, everybody right now is dying inside because they know the Cowboys need so much help on defense that they might have to draft a quarterback to protect themselves, you know. And maybe maybe they say, you know what, we might be bad again next year and be in the top ten and and pick thin. But right now they're they're in a they're in a very much a Green Bay Packer

situation when it comes to their quarterback. Ye, if they don't disagree, I think completely right, Yeah, I think I think they they've painted themselves into a corner where now it is almost prohibitive to give the big deal because what's gonna happen, and ultimately, like dad could get the blame for it. They finally to a long term deal, but now you don't have the stuff around him, and then he gets all the blame and Kenny carry and I do believe he is like a friend's top five

player in the position. But you are going to have to reconsider, like what do you have? What can you do? All these other contracts? How do you fit them into the puzzle guess a lot. I mean, it's interesting, it would be fascinating to watch over the next three or four weeks. Could you still think? I mean, the Cowboys have got they've got till March ninth, and you know, we'll have a draft show, you know, the week of all that and stuff. I think we'll know, we'll know

what direction this thing is gonna go. See, I don't think I quite agree with that. I mean, I know March ninth is the deadline, but if they tag him and then get a deal done a month later, they've got until they've got until two or three weeks before the draft. They've got until like mid April. I think that's my drop dead date because if you got to tag him to buy yourself time, that's fine, but it would be negligent to go into the draft with Dak not under a contract and not look at quarterback. Do

you feel like that? Do you feel like that it's going to take them two months to sign this guy? I why would I even act like I know what's going to happen. Like it's been two years where I've been like, that's what I'm saying, That's what I'm saying my plans are Yeah, I would have believed that, oh, April ninth, we can get a deal done. But if you know, you get to negotiate hard for the next six weeks. Yeah, Oh, I agree with that. I agree with that, you've got to negotiate hard for the next

six weeks. But if we get like five weeks in, it's like, well, we haven't talked, we haven't talked. Yeah, you're gonna get a pretty good idea that point. Yeah. And basically what I was talking about, what Brian was saying earlier, is if you tag him and he gets through the draft or gets up to the draft on that franchise tag, sure he'll be under contract for the next year, but he's gonna walk after that. You haven't

had those back to back franchise tag quarterbacks. You're not gonna have Dak Prescott in twenty twenty two, and you might be forced to take your successor when you need defensive help. That that's a that's a terrible way to operate right there. Gosh, I hate that. It's one of those things. It's not something it's something that you have to do, but it's better for them to take the successor this year. You than to wait until next year because I don't even know what that quarterback class looks

like next year. Early early indications are the quarterback class is not very good. That's just that's just talking to guys that just a Liberty kid. I keep hearing about the Liberty gus. Yeah, that's that's basically. I mean, Okay, Carol, I don't want to take you're crazy. Scouts are always

like scouts. This guy, this guy was a fifth round pick at the start of the twenty nineteen I start, you have to think about it, just we just always have to think about it, like you have to go through and you're walking through and you're looking at the program, and hey, who's QB two. I mean, right now, the only guy that we're talking about is the Liberty guys, the only one that I've heard buzz on. Yeah, no, you're not. I just I don't think you can afford.

You can't afford to wait because one way or another. And yes, I know the Cowboys haven't been to an NFC title game in thirty years, but they don't pick in the top ten very often. They're usually good enough to avoid that, so you can't nobody wants tack under contract more than I do. But you can't pass up an opportunity had a top ten pick, especially when there's four good quarterback maybe five good quarterbacks in the first round. All right, you can always trade for one, like who

cares get one? You can get one anywhere. Yeah, just going, let's give up this, figure it out. Let's let's make a trade. Last week, if I get Miami in here. If I could have, if I could have had as many quarterbacks are as available to day in two thousand when I was working with the Cowboys, I'd still be working. Oh gosh, that's crazy, but it's amazing. The two thousands, nobody wanted to give up their quarterback. Now it's like, listen, take my guy, please, think my guy, Take my guy. Yeah,

let's take our first break. We're way over time on this when we got off topic, but when we come back at Twitter twenty, it is my fault. I'm a terrible bus driver today. That's okay. I just love listening to you guys chat about quarterbacks when we come back. Is there any kind of shift in the thinking for the Dallas Cowboys in terms of the Super Bowl results and how it affects their draft stock when we come

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that's okay. Aspiring journalist on Twitter asked, after watching the Super Bowl, gentleman, has your hasn't changed your opinion on positional value for this upcoming draft regarding the Cowboys? And I'm going to talk to David Hellman initially because you said no knee jerk reaction. I'm assuming in that first segment when you said knee jerk reaction, you were talking about taking an offensive tackle instead of some defensive talent.

Do you think this has shifted the way that things kind of look for the Cowboys overall and the way that they will evaluate this draft class. No, when I said no knee jerk reaction, I just meant like, let's give Tampa Bay credit for building a really good team. Like it's not like they did something. It's not like

they did something off the wall and crazy. I mean, like I said, they have good defensive tackles, they have good linebackers, they have good safeties, they have a Hall of Fame quarterback, and they upgraded the offensive line around him. So if anything, I guess the closest thing I have to a knee jerk reaction is it's hard not to watch Patrick Mahomes run for his life without his two starting tackles, and you think about, you know, Lyle missed

the entire season. Tyrant has had issues for five years now. I was already open to the idea of drafting a tackle, but probably even more so now because I said this. I'd said this to Ryan on Sunday. I was like, can you imagine if the Cowboys got all the way to that game and then they didn't have Tyren or Lyell for the Super Bowl? Like I meant, you would just be sick. It would be sick to your stomach all day. So I was, like I said, I was always open to that idea, but I'm probably more open

to it now than I was before the game. That's funny because I think that I think that's something that should have been talked about before. We talked about like Slater and some of those other guys potentially at number ten. But I think you have to take an offensive line, you have to consider it, and I think you have to do it a year or two early, because we've seen I mean what Martin went from being a tackle at Notre Dame to kicking inside and playing guard. I mean,

like that's what you do. You're trying to get the best five that you can get, and you mix and match and put them out there because you don't want to get caught like the knctts got caught with their pants down. We're in the Super Bowl. They're playing with

three guys in new positions and you can't win. And so you have to invest and the OH line and the DE line, and I think the Super Bowl really kind of brought that to light, Like, man, you better have a bunch of pass rushers that you can throw at people, and you better have an offensive line that can can protect the quarterback. Yeah, I think that. You know,

you have to keep a really open mind. You can't just sit there and say they have to have defensive players, and yeah, they do need defensive players, but you have to keep your mind open about the tackle the quarterback. You have to keep the mind open about defensive tackle, a safety, a corner. So yeah, I think the Cowboys, you look at maybe if you look at the Buccaneers and the Chiefs, you realize how far away you really are. That might be the reality right there. You know that

like whoa that that team? You know? And and by the way, Dallas plays both those teams next year on the road, so you know, keep that in mind. But yeah, I think that you're you're You've got to be open. The The Super Bowl does nothing for me except mean the season's over. Now. I got to focus on my issues and I've got a ton of them. So we're all collectively drafting or shots later at ten overall? Right now, right,

what's wrong, Bucky? Why are you laughing at me? I'm laughing because you're disdaining for watching any of the football once your team is out of here. Yeah, it's not that you're just not She's not gonna watch and see what's going on. Just now, you just had the blinders on, and I'm just worried, Abucky Cowboys, I don't get out here. Bucky, You're you're a dear friend of mine, and you know you could have been in the Super Okay, I have Tom de Mittroff. When Tom de Mittroff was in the

Super Bowl, Tommy Dean, I go way back. Steve Saba, we go way back. Okay, when they were in the Super Bowl, I didn't even know what happened until, like I didn't even watch the game. I didn't even watch the game, and I'm like, what do you do? The game is? The game is everything. I'll tell you, Like, tell you what he does, Bucky. He sits at his desk with his feet up and watch his tape like a freaking tweet. That's what I did. Hear. You're a loser, Bryan. You could be one of you could be one of

my best friends. And if you lost that Super Bowl, I'd have been like, hey man, I'm sorry, but you know what, I saw a really good offensive lineman playing. Look at him. You're watching tape now, you're trying too hard. You're trying too hard to be Bowl. You didn't block anybody. Maybe you should look at this Cockow was looking at the other day. Yeah, so so funny. I do wonder though, like and looking at the Super Bowl? Are we fast

enough now? Are the Cowboys fast enough now? Just from a from an overall team speed standpoint, I think that's the one thing we can talk about, like the positions. But when we turn on the tape and we look at the Chiefs and the Bucks play versus the Cowboys, what is that team speed like? And that team speed not only matters office in defense, but on special teams. Yeah, if you think about the explosive plays and blocking punts and big returns, do you have enough weapons to create

those big opportunities because your team is fast? Hopefully that's what dan Quinn does. And you know, again there's receivers. We've talked about what was Ceedee Lamb coming out of college. He was a catch the ball and run guy. Yeah, we didn't see Ceedee Lamb. I mean early in the year, we saw some big plays down the middle of the field. But I think your right book, your overall team speed is really lacking, especially on defense. Well, when you lose

more worried about defense than offense. Yeah, when I was saying on offense, whenever you lose your offensive lining, you become one dimensional and you can't hold on to the football and you have a ninety million dollar running back that decides to fumble every two snaps, then yeah, it's gonna make things a little bit tough to catch and run with the football. I'm not throwing shade there at anybody. I just wanted to bring that up. The second question.

Second question to here for a twitter on the twenty Christophers Day. I'll have an opinion. No, I have an opinion, trust me. Looking for an in depth take on quit he Pay, the edge rusher out of Michigan. Uh he said he saw him monk to the Cowboys at ten. Chris Davis is the one who asked this question. I don't know if I said that, but can you ask the guys about Quitty Pay and what they thought about him? The one word I had whenever I watched Quitty Kay

was dense. I thought he was very dense on the edge. He's not your normal long, lanky outside of the tackle edge rusher. He's more of kind of a power guy, right Ryan, you know absolutely. I mean he's a funny built guy too. It's it was, it was really weird. I mean he's listed his six three and he doesn't look that on tape, you know, and but he's got it looked. The shorter arms and stuff like that. I mean,

I like the way he can. I think he can cover some ground when he when he when he runs, and I think he can redirect, and I do think he's got some passers moves and you could play him on either side, which was something that I was kind of impressed with. But I thought that there were times

where he really struggled to get off blocks. And I don't want to be the scout that says, oh, because the shorter arms, he can't get off blocks, but there were snaps where he would get tied up, and I thought that that was kind of a struggle for him to have to disengage. But other than that, the ability to run, the ability to chase, the ability to get to the football, the redirection, all that stuff to capture

the edge. I think that's all legitimate stuff though, But his body type was really strange to me watching him plant team. I don't think he's a long, rangy guy at all for being, you know, sixty three, two hundred and seventy one pounds. That's funny because I have the John Wooden quote in my head. I'm like, don't confuse his activity for achievement. I think he's active, and I think he runs around and he plays with great effort. But I wrote in my notes, I don't see any

necessarily impact he gets garbage sacks. He gets those things, but I don't view him as an impact player. And I'm a little more partial to production, particularly sack production, because I believe it translates. And he has eleven and a half career sacks, which is fine. But I never found a game where I'm like or series of games where like, man, this dude is dominating, like you need to pay attention to him, you need to slide to

protection that way because you can't stop him. I found it more like, oh, okay, that's that's a nice play, But it wasn't the type like, hey, let me go into the offensive room and say, hey, we better have a plan for dealing with pay And I don't know, like if I'm gonna take him at those prices where you have to take him into top ten, man, I better feel like I'm getting a guy that can really impact the game from time he steps in. Yeah, I told you mean, I like what you're saying that, Bucky,

because I looked at the last note. I said there's some hit and miss to his game, and that that that bothers me. If you're talking about a top ten guy and you're telling me there's hit and miss to his game. I don't want any part of that, and I really really don't. I just look at a like pass rusher, especially like I just look at resume, and I know, you know, there's always it's a position where upside means so much. Some guys are on a longer trajectory.

That's fine for a top ten pick. I'm real nervous about what he accomplished in college, you know, And that's that's just a valuable, valuable pick that I'm not willing to take that big of a gamble on, especially when you consider that there are way more proven commodities, you know, like like the cornerbacks, for just as an easy example that I wouldn't feel comfortable taking that risk. Just take

Kyle Pitts. You'll be okay. But hey, Dave, I will give I will give you this because it comes from Bryan's friend and I learned this a long time ago. Azzi Knewsom said, when you're looking at pass rushers, always pay attention to sack production because they've done studies. Guys who sacked the quarterback in college, they sacked the guy in the pros And it doesn't matter about body type

or any of those things. When you see a guy who has sustained sack production over multiple years, they do it to Eli Sudes would be the exams was a great example of that. He also he also would give you Elvis Duomerville. When Elmas Duomerville came out of Louisville, he had twenty sacks, he had a million sacks. He was short, like six foot, but he always got to the quarterback. And so that's one of the things when you talk about the resume, look at the resume over

multiple years. Those are the guys that typically do it because they know how to get them to the ground. I would throw tackles for loss in as well, and I yes, all all of the matters. So yeah, it just kind of scares me. I like that John woodn't quote you throw out there, though, Bucky. I think that's a good way to look at a lot of these guys. Whenever it comes to the terrible the guy from North Carolina with a great basketball history has to quote, I mean,

I got Dean smell stuff in the bag. I'm just waiting at stuff. I mean, I got I got that. I got this stuff in the bag. I took a basketball class and Collins he told me that the Kansidy Chiefs shouldn't have done what they did in Week twelve against Tampa Bay when they let them close the gap. He said, you gotta hammer people because if you let people feel like they have a chance, the next time they face you, they entered the game, we're more confidence.

So that's why you blow them out. Dean Smith. Dean Smith, Dean Smith, absolutely blow it out. So I'm gonna run up the score, guy, run it up. Oh hell yeah, every time. Anytime you can. Interesting, dude, he held the boat for like twelve minutes game one time. I'm not gonna lie to us. Guys turned into Bucky and Brian trying to roast each other. Yeah, it's but I love it. And also I've always I've always highly respected Bucky Brooks.

But when he said he had Dean stuff or Dean Smith stuff in the bag and then he actually brought one out immediately, like, I have never respected you more than in this very moment of talking about Dean Smith and the coaches and the quotes that you just pulled out. That was fantastic. Okay, back to draft. So Jay on Twitter asked us about Hafunga. Is that how you say his name the safety out of USC. He wanted our thoughts on and fun guy. I don't I need to

look up pronunciations. I haven't gotten to that part of my study yet. Hockey. You got a thought on him, because I'm working my way towards him. I have a thought, but but my thing on safeties right now. Man, if you can't hit and running cover, it's hard to have a guy that is kind of one dimensional unless you

have a decordinator who has a plan. He's instinctive and he's active, but when you look at the guys that are playing that are playing and making plays in the playoffs, he's not in that realm in terms of being a

ball hawk or those guys. And so I don't know, like if you want to maybe take him and kind of drop him down and do some things in the box like we've seen guys do with like having a third safety on the field as a big nickel or whatever, like, maybe you can do that, But in terms of being a center fielder or a playmaker, that's not what he does. And so there's a role for everybody if your defensive

coordinator has those kind of tricks in the bag. But he's a good player, but I wouldn't put him in that upper tier where you're like, hey, you get a difference macause someone who's make plays on the ball, I think,

and I haven't. I haven't watched him yet for full disclosure, but just as a general thought, I feel like in any draft there's only like three to five safeties that you're like, he's instinctive, he plays the ball, he can play free safety, he can do this, he can do that, and then everybody else is just a guy you're like, yeah, like he can do some stuff in the box and tackle.

I mean, and I don't mean this as a slight but just what you just said reminds me of Donovan Wilson, who the Cowboys you know, found in the sixth round of the draft. And that's what makes it so frustrating is if, especially you know, for the Cowboys who have been unwilling to do it, if you're not willing to invest like a top fifty or sixty pick, you're probably not getting that guy. Like those guys go high in the draft for reasons because those those instincts are not

easily found. I really I'll tell you that one guy watched the other day was the Florida State kid. Uh is that how you say national d And yeah, I'll tell you what, man, I six three, two hundred and twelve pounds. I saw a finisher there. I saw a guy that was around the ball. I saw I got. You know, if they need a true free safety type of a player, that's kind of like who I'm looking for right now because I kind of feel good about

Donovan Wilson. Ye, but I'm looking for a guy that's got some range, it's got some hit, it's got some finish, that's got some ball skills. That's the kind of guy that I think the Cowboys, I think when when Dan quinn is he's already sat down and looked at his defense, he's going to push hard for these scouts to find him a real free safety. So it's funny Brian like and thinking about DQ's history. So there are two different types of safeties and he kind of values them differently.

He took Keyan O'Neill and Ianna Keiana Live was a guy who was a more of a boxed every player, a big hitter, big guy, tough guy against a run. And then you know he has made converted corners into safeties. He took Demante Kazi from safety State who had a million interceptions, and he moved them to free safety. It took two years for that process to kind of come to fruition, but he started back there. Brian Powell was another guy that is playback there. So it will be

interesting to see one how you've used Donovan Wilson. Does he view Donovan Wilson as that guy that is hovering in the box and now do I need to go get the ornament on top of the Christmas tree? If he does that, then it takes you a different direction. We talked about Richie Grant here like over and over and over again. So then what you're doing is you're

looking for those true center fielder types. And if you ask me my Druthers, I would like to look into their background and make sure that they have baseball in their background because then I know they can judge the ball and do those things or whatever. So it's just the evaluation the self scout this year is more important than ever because how DQ views was currently on the roster will shift how the Cowboys go about doing their

work in the draft. Can I ask a real quick question, sure, just real short answer guys to know where do you guys think that Patrick Peterson from Arizona could play free safety? I think you read the Twitter mentions before the show too. No, No, I just because I said it. I said it yesterday on the show because I remember Charles Woodson when Charles yes quarter to safety, and I thought Bill parcels about it.

But I remember I just wanted real quick yes or no. I mean, Colin know you got a show to do here. I just wanted yes or no. Could Patrick Peterson transfer to safety? I think he could yes. And I actually thought when he was coming out of LSU, I thought that's where he was best suitan am. My evaluation was wrong. I never viewed him kind of like how he was viewed because I thought he has some issues on the perimeter.

But I thought the best things that he did were playing the ball and when he got the ball in his hands. And I think the great players that make that transition from corner to say to you talk about Charles Wilson, Rod Woodson, the number one thing that they have tremendous instincts and balls and if he's tough enough to make tackles, that's the thing that you would have to ask, But I absolutely believe that he's smart enough

and instinct enough to be a contributor at safety. Not only that, but I think he's got I mean, he's got prototypical size too, Like he's I mean he's a big guy. He's like six one two ten um, so he's got the size to do it. I think. I just wonder, and I would love to see that for

a variety of reasons. On top of him being an LSU guy, like he's his high character, a player as there is in the NFL, he's got a Hall of Fame resume, so he'd be a hell of a guy to coach up the rest of your secondary I wonder. And I don't know this, And obviously Charles Woodson was not too proud to make that switch. But for a guy like Pat Pete, who is, you know, a three time All Pro, eight time pro bowler, is he willing to accept that maybe he can't play outside anymore. I

don't know that. Would you sell it, you sell it, you sell it differently, I would say Charles woods Ye, Charles his career because of it. You sell it differently. So what you do is you bring them in and you say we got plans for you to be a big nickel, So we're gonna put you in the slot. We can put you in the box because your instincts enable you to make more plays and then you start sliding them into safety. He get a couple of reps

here at free or whatever. So it's an evolutionists really being able to paint the picture for here's how you going to be able to play another five or six years. We're gonna put you in a position to be around the ball. Yeah. Two things that might that might play that might play it at recch tie it it is because with the draft, Yeah, somebody might say that's what they want to do instead of drafting one of these safeties that might be a thought in the offseason. Yeah,

here for it. And two things on that. One, Bucky's getting every Cowboys fan excited by just talking about Charles Woodson and talking about these guys that have made the switch from defensive back or from cornerback to safety. And two, Brian never be afraid of asking a question because it allows me to be an analyst from time to time on this show. I love it. Whenever you ask, You're always here. This is it's your show. This isn't my show. I'm just you to drive the bus. But let's go

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and Kevin kat Turner. And since we only have a couple of minutes left, I thought I would pull one more question from Twitter on the twenty and we're gonna go to Jake, who always asked fantastic, fantastic questions, But this one stuck out to me today because it had Tiny Gym in it. What does brought us and tiny Jim think the honey Badger set to Tom Brady to get him so fired up in the Super Bowl, probably said I'm not afraid of you and some expletives to

go along with it. Think what I really want to say, But it's a family program. I think he told Yeah. I think he told Tom. He said, man, the crawfish season early is the crawfish are small, and he was just stop was at it and he was letting Tom know that. He goes, Man, he goes, Tom, I ain't telling you, man, these crawfish are small. Starting out, Man, we gotta stop this. And Tom took offense to that because Tom likes small Crawlfish. So all due respect, the

Bucks kicked the Chief's ass. They obviously deserve to win the Super Bowl. But like that sequence over the final five minutes before halftime was ridiculous, Like Mike Evans flopped for that big dpi, the DPI on Tyron Matthew in the end zone or holding whatever the call was, Like that was utter crap. And then Brady chased Tyron Matthew halfway across the field to get in his face. And Tyron's the one that gets flagged. Like that was just the epitome of Tom getting every call he wants. And

I hated it. I'll tell you what though, Tyrn looks right what happened to him because Tom had to text him and apologize. But the thing about it is, if I'm Tyron Matthew, I'm like, listen, man, you won the Super Bowl. Get your champagne smelling breath out of my face. You know I don't need you apologizing to me, you know, And but you know, evidently you know Tyron is a fiery player. We all know that. We saw him getting into it on the sidelines with Steve Spagnola. I mean,

he is a he is like listen. If you don't call this defense, we are going to get killed today, you know. And I mean, and that's the way Tyron is. He is a fiery sob and we all love him for it. You know. You like you saw what Spagnullah did. He's like, okay, okay, turn around and leave. That's the best thing you could do with Tyron. Let him sit there and lose his mind on the sidelines, you know. But you know that he's going to play every play hard.

And again, the fact that Brady had to apologize, I think Tom probably said something that really pissed him off. I'm sure of it. I felt like this was a very emotional game for Kansas City. I felt like they were emotionally written. Running anyway, I can't. I have a true belief that the events that occurred on Thursday certainly impacted them, probably beyond because a team that has already been to the Super Bowl once, they acted like they

were the newbies. Yeah, they termed it from an emotional standpoint, as opposed to the way that Tim Bay Buccaneers conducted themselves. That's crazy to think about, but that's exactly what it looked like. It looked like the Chiefs were overemotional and that I mean, they came out flat in the first place, but then they kind of overcompensated for it, and they overdid it kind of toward the halftime break, and then of course we saw kind of the craziness that Dave

Hellman was talking about just a couple moments ago. But that's going to do it for us here on the Draft Show, as always presented by Miller Lighte. Special thanks to Aaron Gonzalez and Chris b in the background in the show. For Brian brought us, for Bucky Brooks, and for David Helman. I'm Kyle Helman. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next week on the Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.