Draft Show: X-Factors Before Indy

dot Com Draft Show, presented by Miller Ltte. As we are back from the s WBC studios at the Star in Frisco. We have braved the frozen tundra of the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex and made it to the Star in Frisco at day late, Brian, but they be too late to talk about the draft. No, it's always good to talk about the draft. And you know, with with the combine on the horizon, you speak of frigid and cold and all those things. I know Jeff Kavanaugh can

tell us a few stories about combine cold. Yeah. I don't want a little different, No, I don't want to talk about it though. A little cold, right, A little different, Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it's I live twenties, so if it's cold outside, I'll wear a long sleeve T shirt and a hoodie. Yeah that's what I own. That's about it. So that's what I took to Indie because I was like, oh it's cold, I'll let me grab my cold things,

my long sleeve T shirts and my hoodies. Negative eight windchill does not care about your hoodie or your T shirt. Yeah at all, blows right through that rudder room jacket that you've got on helme and tried to quit. He did, tried to quit life day walking down the street in India after drinking and he sat down on the sidewalking rid. What are you doing? He said, I'm done. I can't do it. He just wanted to stay. Is like sleep in the face, No, no, no. It was freezing, bitter, bitter,

bitter cold. And if you know, everybody who's gone to the Combine knows how to get around without going outside where our hotel hell was. We had to walk up past the Capitola done and Dave sat down on the curb and started crying, laugh laughing and crying at the same time. And I like, I grabbed as he had his backpack and I grabbed his like strap and I'm like, come on, man, we gotta go. He's like, no, I can't go further. I can't just go. Just leave me.

They'll pick me up in the morning. I'm like, no, Dave, you gotta go. You gotta get going. But uh, yeah, the the Slippery Noodle and all those places they missed us up there in Indie. I think this gracious. I've I've heard a lot of draft stories from you guys over the years, including the one where Jeff was freezing the first time around, and I learned from that. I've

just a ton of clothes to andy. The first time, we stayed at a hotel that was literally across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium, and Jeff took an uber from across the street around to the entrance to where he had to go. Yeah, it was on the other side of State. It was on the other strip. It was really confused. But I got into the uber and he's like where too, And I was like to the stadium and he was like there and I was like other side and I was like, yeah, I only have

a hoodie. Take me to the other side. Please. I think we're in the same area this time, Dave and I move it or we'll we'll be flying out on Sunday, getting there Monday for Dave and I think it's the same thing. I think we're on one side of Lucas Oil and then the convention centers across from Lucas Oil. I've coached Dave up well where to stay at Indy and he knows. I appreciate the fact that he's carried the baton about getting stuff organized and no one were

to stay. And yeah, it's a it's a pretty simplistic walk, though, I'll tell you what those there's times where if you've had a few a few drinks after a long day and you're walking home, that that cold will sober you up a little bit. You walk, yeah, get you going the right. Oh yeah. It should be a lot of fun. And we'll of course have coverage throughout next week from the Combine and Dave and Jeff will be holding it

down here from back at the Star in Frisco. But Dave not here today, so I've slid back over into the host chair for the temporary time being. But I like the way that he's been starting these draft shows and by naming the last player that you've watched or somebody that stuck out to you since the last showed that we had, So, Brian, who was the last guy that you took some time? Yeah, last night, around twelve twenty eight, I took a look at a young man

named John Ridgeway from Arkansas, the defensive tackle. I think he's a fourth round player. Myself hater, but this guy is when you watch him, he's a true two gap knows he plays head up and he's a really powerful guy. Though six five three twenty is what the measurables I've got right now on him. But he will line up. I mean he will breathe the same air as the center. I mean he's that close to the center's face and

all that. So I do like his power. I do like the way he's able to hold guys along the line of scrimmage. I think that the thing about him is he's good playing the run. I just don't think you're gonna get very much from him as a pass rusher. I think you're gonna get a guy that's gonna push real hard and try and drive guys back and and hopefully take up blocks for everybody else. That's kind of

what the vibe I got watching him play. I took a peek at that Mississippi and Mississippi State game of him. But this guy could have a long career. I think playing is at one technique or a nose guy in this league just getting taking up blocks, uh, you know, getting off him. If you run at him, he's going to kind of disengage his guy and and make the tackle. He's a really a physical player too, as a physical tackler.

Like I say, there were a couple of times Mississippi State try to run on side of him and like he slammed the ball carrier down on the ground. So yeah, I kind of feel like, though, there's your there's your one technique or nose depending on what scheme you play. But a pretty good player with the power he has. I kind of like the story that he has too. He was a transfer from Illinois State, Illinois State two star recruit out of high school. He was recruited as

an offensive tackle. Yeah, so he's still very raw at the position. Did you see any of that in the film? Is there something fundamentally? No? I mean to me, when you know, when you when you have guys that play with power and or to just you know, they just mal people. That's you know, that's kind of like either you're an offensive lineman your defensive tackle. I didn't see anything that led me to believe that there was any

any steep learning curve or anything like that. If you're going to play football and be mean, push that guy, get to that John John Ridgeways your guy. If I can say, if you want that one technique or that knows that just is just gonna he's gonna eat up blocks the way he plays. But again, he's not going to give you anything inside. But we've had a couple of these guys in this draft that are big body guys that are really tight, kind of two down players, and he kind of fits in that mode. Have you

seen him yet, Jeff, I've not. Nope. Last night I decided to power through the linebackers, all the linebackers because I knew we were going to talk about them some today. Nice. So I've watched all of the linebackers. So there's fifty three on my list. You've watched fifty, watched sixty. I went a little deeper than some USFL guys get the draft. I've seen twelve linebackers good. Last one was Channing Tindall Georgia. Yeah, he's not a full time starter because Georgia has too

many good linebackers. So like normally it's they start off with Nikobe Dean and Quay Walker, and then they have another single digit linebacker who's their past rush guy over here, and then Channing Tindall and the kid it's dealing with the off the field stuff. Oh well, even without him, there's another one. Okay's over there that looks pretty busy edge or is he actually a linebacker? What's with all the questions? I'm sorry, that's my default. Anytime I don't

know something's call the questions. Channing Tindall's fun though. He is a heat seeker. He's like six two two thirty and he is Georgia. He is ball snapped me, run me break things, and he runs really really fast. Jeff, did you see some stiffness in his game at all? That the attorney part. I mean we were talking about the missile downhill player. Totally agree with you on that. I just didn't know if there was when you watched him cover or there was a little bit of how

well can he really turn? Yeah? I think he is, Like I have him as a third round ish yeah, three four cheater grade, because I think that he's probably a two down player. And even as a two down player, there's probably some growth you have to have in terms of awareness process trigger. But as far as hey, the running back is going to run a sweep, yeah, there is zero chance that running back is going to beat Channing Tendal to the sideline. You are going to see

him and you were going to feel him. You know what, Kyle, It's funny Jeff talked about trigger. When you watch Georgia play, if you don't react quick enough, it's very noticeable. Yeah, because Nikobe Deean will run. Yeah, everybody else, all those guys will run. I mean, like you said, if you if And I think the thing with Tendall was there was a couple of one or two plays I noticed where he was a little slow reacting to the development

of the play. But so I said, that's something you got to keep an eye on again, the stiffness and then the instincts to quickly get out of But once, I mean you're right, once this guy got going, it was I mean, it was a blur. All those Georgia

kids play like their blurs. It kind of reminds me of that LSU team a couple of years ago, and a team that where you looked up and down the depth chart and you're saying, okay, that's a first round or first round or second, second, third, third, and then ultimately, of course they had what what was it fourteen guys drafted that did that year some of these some were reserves in that back end. Of course, both teams national champions, So that's going to happen when you have a team

as stacked as that. Georgie's got some really good players. Fun to stay. Nolan Smith is the stand up edge linebacker number three. Not draft eligible, right, I've seen, Well he's eligible. I don't know if he's declared, but he is set number four. You're right, yeah, Yeah. They get a lot of linebackers at Georgia and they play all over the place. And when we go through him, which I think it's part of the show to third segment, other ones to talk about, yep, like me some Kuay Walker.

He's a fun prospect. I watched Walker Tuesday after the show. Did you like the fact that that big body is wearing that number seven? It looked good on him. Yes it did, yeah, yes, and lean yeah. So we haven't had a chance to really talk about the way that the first round really plays out in front of the Cowboys.

Of course, picking at number twenty four, and there's a lot of things that can happen between now and Draft Day in late April, but with the combine coming up, I kind of wanted to get a pre combine feel of what you think will happen in front of the Cowboys. We talked a little bit about the NFC East, the Giants, the Eagles, the of course the Commanders almost said football team because that's what I have written down as, but they are the Washington Commanders. Now, what do you feel

like this is going to happen? Are there any big surprises in store? Are there going to be any teams outside of twenty four trading up in front of the Cowboys to maybe go get a quarterback, a wide receiver, offensive tackle, etc. That could affect the Cowboys? And what would happen at twenty four. I think this is going to be one of the hardest drafts to predict that we've had in a long time. Like I can name you six or seven guys that are probably gonna go

in the top ten to twelve. But when you're talking about drafting at twenty four, I think in a normal draft, I don't want to get too cocky here, but I bet we could nail like eighteen nineteen of the names. Sure they're gonna go before you. Yeah, And in this one, I feel like it's more like you could name ten to twelve of the names, and then you don't know, like I know three offensive tackles, I know a safety, I know two corners, I know two edge guys, maybe

three or four. But even those, the order, like the wide receiver order they come off the board, no idea the edge order outside of Aiden Hutchinson and Cavon Thibadeau. No idea like does somebody take Trayvon Walker in the top ten? Maybe? Yea? Does somebody take David Ojabo in the top ten? Possibly? Maybe did our George karloftis top ten to fifteen? Maybe would one of those guys be staring down the barrel of you at twenty four? Maybe? Yeah,

it's going to be. It's going to be a really interesting one because there's not the blue chip prospects at the top, and so then it's coming down to which guy do I prefer because of what I'm going to ask him to do. Yeah, And so this thing could go so many different ways where I could see the Cowboys getting on the clock and their best player could be a wide receiver and offensive tackle and offensive garden,

offensive center, an edge player, linebacker, a corner. It could be almost anything, which is great for a team that could use most positions. So I just think it's gonna be a really tough one to call. I think if you look at the division, I think the Giants make their two picks at five and seven. I think the Commanders make their pick at eleven, and now here comes

the wildcard of Philadelphia. With all those three picks in front of you, and depending on if Philadelphia gets into this quarterback trading market, if that's the case, you could have somebody else, particularly maybe Seattle pick in there. You know, with the Russell Wilson deal, maybe you would have the

Texans in there picking in that spot as well. So I kind of feel like that, with everything in front of you, the only team that I would worry about as far as moving around and maybe making some things difficult or bringing somebody in there, that you don't want would be the Eagles. That would be the team that I would kind of keep it on. And a lot of it has to do because of the three first

round picks. But again, if they get involved in this quarterback derby that we might have once free agency starts, I kind of feel like that that's the team that might might put a different team in front of you. Totally agree with Jeff, though. I think the opening that you have, and the Cowboys have been a really patient team the last couple of years. They've allowed the board

to come to them. You know, I think when it comes time and we're all sitting here in the draft and the picks made, we're all going to probably say, that's a pretty damn good pick. Sure, that's a pretty damn good pick. I don't think there's anything that would really just totally just take a sideways, you know, on what the Cowboys might do, because again, I think just sitting there and allowing the board to come to them

will probably be a pretty good thing for them. I think I had that same conversation with a friend of mine who's big into the draft as well, and really, the only thing you could really look at that would be frustrating on draft day if the Cowboys were to go and reach on a player and go grab a guy who's maybe a late second or an early third in your board. Yeah, you still feel like at some point those guys in front of you are going to fall. Those those mid first round picks, late first round picks

that you do feel like are in that category. I mean, we've put lists out there, We've talked about the Lendard bombs and the brains of the world. If those guys don't fall to you, you're still gonna get a good point. Yeah, you're still a great play. Yeah, I did it. I found one h And these are just mock drafts, right, but you're just look at the other day, right, Yeah. I look at pretty much all of them, just to see different scenarios and like, oh, who does that mean made?

Who does that mean made it? And one of them I went on first glance, I was like, oh no, it's the mock draft of doom. Yeah, like Linderbaum and Green, my offensive lineman were gone, Zion Johnson was gone, even offensive lineman was gone. Nakobe Deane and Devin Lloyd were gone. The corners were gone, the edge guys you would want were gone, and I was like, holy cow, there is a Doom's day. And then I look back at it and I was like, oh, wait, zero wide receivers were picked. Yeah.

So even in a scenario where you try to wipe yourself out, it's like, oh, you can have your first pick of receivers in the draft. And I think Trent McDuffie the Washington Corner was available, so it's like, oh, you did have to You had guys fall in your lap. No matter what, if you're willing to accept your gift, one will fall to you. I kind of feel like, though that to me, if I got totally wiped out, I think there's two names that might be there. Jeff

mentioned mccot to test your love for Ed Ingram. No, I love ed Ingram in the second round, okay, I do he's outside you know me, I have twenty first round grades. Yeah, so he's outside of that group. I will say this though about let me say this at Ingram, I said in the second round, there, I guarantee you I could have I could have McDuffie on that board, or I could have Das Hill on that board, and

I would be totally okay with that. I'd I'd be totally okay with either one of those guys if I got completely wiped out where the receiver here remained the same. You didn't do anything with the MARII Cooper, So it's Cooper, it's CD and it's like whoever else you want to sign ancer name here? Yeah, so I'm okay there, But let me see what's going on. Do you lose curse?

You know? Do you you know? Do you do you want to do you want to upgrade at corner because you might move on from Anthony Brown because you say, hey, that's a five million dollars savings right there. I wonder if this team would because if you haven't watched every show that we've done, Trent McDuffie is Washington Corner. That's really good. Yeah, Like he's a first round player and I'd be really happy to take him at twenty four.

I wonder if this team would see that's ten. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Jeff, because I don't know, I wouldn't fit the mold. Well. When we did Jeff and and Dana and I did a show, you know, plug and play. We do it every Wednesday night. Seven three Central and on my YouTube YouTube channel to slash get it out there. Well, this is my last day on terrestrial radio. Yeah, I'm graderations to be a digital man.

So yeah, it's cutting the cord. Yeah, if you want to hear me talking sports, it's on YouTube YouTube dot com Slash Jeff Kevin. But the but we talked about this the other day about that, and I was I was visiting with some scouts and they're saying, listen, everybody's fallen in love with McDuffie and he's a really good player, but he might measure smaller than the five eleven you're working with right now, like five nine and seven eight. Yes, under five ten is because he's five eleven even one

eighty nine. And that's that's what people are saying. It's like, don't be surprised if that measurement comes under exactly. And you know, you still watch the tape. But then you know, we love the player. The NFL might not love the player like we do. Sure, and then so that to me, if you are you willing, is you know the one thing that Washington has done is they've put a lot they've put secondary guys into this, into these the NFL

and done a good job with it. They've also that scheme is really really difficult from what I understand, to teach and to learn. So you have to have a football intelligence smart stuff like that that you know, those are the kinds of things. I mean, you show me a guy that can cover and a guy that's smart.

I have if I get wiped out and that guy's available, or dacks Hill is available, one of those things, I turned that card in and I worry about getting ready for the next the next pick that's super wipeout area, would either of you be okay with If it was Jordan Davis three, I would have I would be okay with that. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem. That's kind of my thought process. And you look at some of the last couple of drafts. I mean, the Steelers picked

the twenty four last year. They that's where they got Naja Harris at the running back position. So you could kind of say that's that's a good player, but not a position the Cowboys would be looking for. Caesar Ruiz was the Saints pick at twenty four two years ago exactly, So I think you're going to get some really good players Brandon IUK went after Ruise in that draft. Patrick Queen, linebacker out of LSU, did the same thing. Jeff Gladney out of TCU. Look in the twenties, what happens is

you stop fiddle farting. Yeah, in the teams you're fiddle farting. You're looking at hey, is that the last good edge? Is that man corners a premier position? We do? We need to pluck this last corner we got at twenty four. You watch the fiddle farts happen, and then you just take what's over? Which good player did you? Guys just let go because you were chasing a corner and an offensive tackle and a you know whatever, premium position. You

all fiddle farted and you chased the premium position. I'm gonna take the good player, I know, if I'm gonna use your terminology fiddle fart out there. It feels good the way that the thing or the first round could kind of fall into place a little bit far from ugan sure that yeah, absolutely. From ten on it's an old statement. Do you feel like there's going to be as much of the fiddle farting as you really see

in years past? Because I feel like like you said earlier, there's seven eight guys that you feel comfortable saying are going to be gone. But outside of that, there's a lot of movement that could potentially happen in between ten

and twenty three. These quarterbacks. These quarterbacks going to be helps people chase premier positions, Like I think you could see Trevor Penning, the Northern Iowa offensive tackle who to me is a second round guy, but you know your people are gonna like a lot of the traits he has, and he's an offensive tackle that gets pushed up. Maybe he goes before you. Maybe four corners go before you,

maybe six edge guys go before you. And that's why I'm kind of looking at centers and guards and linebackers like, hey, what you got there? Who's gonna fall? To me? Is there another team outside of the division that you look at in terms of their needs and see them as a potential threat to take those guys? Because I know

we've talked about and you guys run those mock drafts simulation. Yeah, there's that You're going to run into something today, and they're twenty three Keeps stealing interior offensive lineman from me, Cardinals keeping all the mock drafts. They keep taking my interior line. I don't appreciate it. Okay, sometimes it's Linderbaum. Sometimes it's kind of protect Tyler Murray. I've seen Zion Johnson to them multiple times. Yeah, you know, we'll see that.

There's there's there's a couple of teams that are gonna be drafting ahead of you a lot in this draft that I always worry about because I think that they have a good understanding for players. I think the Chargers are one of those teams. The Pittsburgh Steelers are one of those teams at twenty. Yeah. Now you get a team like Buffalo behind you who kind of has an understanding for players. So yeah, I just you know, the fact that you've got all your division opponents ahead of you,

you know, is that that's a little concerning there. But when you got good drafting team again, you know, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, those people that you're gonna probably have a couple of pin throws along the way because they kind of figure out a way to take a guy or two. Yeah, that's it. A real pin thrower. That's a real pin throw. When Brian does a lot of fake pen throws, sure, like they had a couple of those last year, a fake,

fake pin throw. But yeah, this when when you get a couple of teams like say Chargers, Ravens, Steelers in front of you that draft, I think draft particularly, well, there's there's gonna be some some mine fields you're gonna have to navigate. I feel like it's a fun I mean, there's no such thing as a fun pin throw. I mean you love to get those somebody or neck or something and it kind of sticks for a second but then falls and just goes back to the table. That

might be a little fun. I think Tom Coughlin throw a phone. Can we hear that story? Full size? Picked up a phone and threw it like the whole things, oh, the state, the phone and the station, everything, cradle everything. Yeah, he wanted to draft. He wanted to draft a Curtis Enis and he oh, this worked out for him. That's when they took Fred Taylor. They took Fred Taylor and like he was, he was pissed. One of the greatest

Jacksonville jags of all time. He just threw the phone through the complete phone onto the ground and everybody was like, okay, whatever kind of the thing that was its fake. He was really mad. Yeah, it was really mad. Yeah. But that's the thing is we're gonna have some pin throws throughout, and when the pin throws settled down, you're still gonna look at twenty four and you're still gonna get a

great player. So and that's the other fun thing about something, just real quick is like Tom Coughlin in that moment thought he lost his running back. Yeah, and he actually got the draft Goods did him a favor. He got the better one he got. He just didn't know it yet.

He just didn't know it. Yeah. The thing I think the thing too about it is the thing with the draft it always kind of makes me irritated is when we kind of we're working through it and we were all right, give me your best guys, give me your best guys, and it's the same best guy every time. Yeah, and I'm I'm gonne thing, So I stop saying his name, keep asking me who's my best scout? At what point in time do you stop saying that guy's name that you know there's something wrong with it? I never did.

I think starting about the mid third round and I was like, well, our Darius Washington for there yeah, and then I've thrown the same disclaimer. But I know he's a tiny person. He may not even get drafted, but he's really good. You got your talking points, yes, as the day wears on, and get the talking points grow

a lot longer. Jeff was sitting here at the end of the table, and I swear every time we looked at him and was just like, all right, so after our Darius Washington, else you got because yeah, man, he never ended up getting off the board. All right, let's take our first break. When we come back Twitter on the twenty time. We'll answer your questions when we come back on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. At Smoothie Keane, we are blending goodness to fuel your greatness.

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superstars all right. Time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty, Starting things off with Connor, our friend over there at Connor NFL Draft. He asked what interior offensive line options are most realistically appealing at pick number fifty six, so in the second round for the Cowboys, and he wants to know more about Darien Beavers and his short arms. He says he is a fan of mister Beavers. One linebacker I didn't watch, didn't watch him. I seen Beaver. I talked about him the

other days. The only linebackers I'll talk about him. But let's start. Let's start with the interior offensive line. We'll get the Beavers here in a second. But Brian, anybody stick out in the interior in that second round there that does Brian Well, I mean, ye edd Ingram's in that group for me. By the way, I think you know Knard. I don't know where exactly people from will have him from Kentucky. Giant dude played tackle at Kentucky and is a fricking people mover. He is a great

run blocker. Yeah, I'll tell you if he movement and yeah, technique exactly a little bit people moving. Yeah, I kind of I've kind of was a fan. Two of you mentioned I mentioned Kard Thayer Mumford from Ohio State was another guy six six three twenty seven. And then another kid, Sean Ryan from UCLA who was a tackle that projects inside. He played left tackle at UCLA, so likely you know, these are two mammoth guys. Ryan six five three twenty

and Mumford is six six three twenty seven. So I mean there's a you watch Mudford played left tackle in the Utah game the Rose Bowl, and then he played left guard in the Minnesota game, and I thought he was going to be totally out of position the way he comes off the ball, and the next thing you know, that big body is recovering and it's like he's into

a guy. Now the movement starts, and so yeah, I mean, this guy he's not always going to hit the target square, but man, he manages to get his guy past the hole and things like that. And Ryan on the other side is I mean, I think that to me, there's another guy with a massive guy that moves really really well. His base does get a little narrow at time on run blocks, and then that's when he tries to use that mass to like lean on people and push him.

So I kind of feel like that maybe in a little bit of a shorter area that you might be able to kind of get some good out of him. But man, I'll tell you what, if I say this, he wouldn't be a terrible option if you had to use him as a tackle. Say you play him at guard and all of a sudden, oh we're struggling a little bit, boom, we got to kick him to tackle. I don't think he would be a terrible option. A matter of fact, I don't think him or Mumford would be.

I mean, I'm not gonna sit there and say position flex because I hate that statement myself. Sure, but if you had to, if something bad happened in a game, if you didn't dress enough, guys, these cats could help you that way too. The thing about Mumford out of Ohio State, he played left tackle his entire twenty twenty season, and then he moved to left guard full time quote unquote, because like you said, they ultimately ended up kicking him

back out there. Yeah as well, and he played better at tackle than he did at guard, I mean, per se throughout the entire twenty twenty season. Yeah, and then

into twenty one. Who was the other guy you were talking about there that was my guy a Ryan from UCLA Ucla, Okay, wanted to clarify that real quick, but I mean those are two guys that, like you said, you hate the position flex tag because usually if you have that musician, play has position flex because he's awesome, because he's a badass guy can line up in places. Tell me where he can kick, But Martin can do Mumford had. Mumford had to play tackle because Petite Free,

who we talked about, who, yeah, who he like? I think he sat out the game. They said, okay, we're gonna kick you outside. So to make up for who do you like more out of those two, petite Free and then Mumford from Ohio State. I think on my board, I put petite Free higher. Let me look real quick here I have I do. I have Petite as a tackle, and then I have Mumford. I had petite Free as a as a two and then Mumford as a three.

Is what I've got. Guards who if you're going back to second round guards, I'll throw out the name Zion Johnson, even though I think he goes before that Siler from Georgia, and so the guys in order. If you're looking at a second round guard. For me, it's at Ingram at Lsu, Darien knarda Kentucky, and then Jamari Sawyer, who is Georgia's left tackle. But I think we'll be a guard in the league because he's another one of those guys where

you're like, holy cow, look at this power. Yeah, but when you're talking about being perfectly efficient with placement and the movement skills, it's like, yeah, so put him in the phone booth. Yeah. Uh so, I would say, ed Ingram, Darien Kinnard Sawyer. What did you guys think about Kade May's Have you gotten the chance to watch him yet? Have not seen? I liked him at the Senior Bowl. I'd I'd like for that. I would like to hear what you guys think about him. Maybe next week or

two weeks from now, once we get back from the combine. Good, good player, athletic guy and again position flex even though we hate that term. I think he's a guard in the league, but he played all five positions at Tennessee Transfer. Did anybody have you watched Cole strange from at the Senior Bowl? I haven't gotten the same thing yet. Yeah, all right, Cram linebackers today maybe I'll call him offensive line the next couple. I know that just drives you nuts.

Cram from offensive line. How about how about that? That's a deal I would make. He sent him times. Uh have you seen Darian Beavers yet? Bro, I have not. Okay, bes Se, well, we'll save that Connor. How about the Well, we'll say that as you're as our assignment going into the week, we're gonna look mister Beavers out of Cincinnati. Okay, how about this? Is there anyone at twenty four or fifty six that would be better than giving Randy Gregory

a new contract? This from Brad and basically asking could you replace Brandy Gregory with you? Gotta this is the hard part because you gotta tell me what does it look like like. I could see a scenario where Aidan Hutchinson, Cavon Thibadeau, George Carlota's Trayvon Walker, David Ojabo, Jermaine Johnson are all gone. If those six are gone, then I would say no, And I wouldn't bet on anybody outside of the top two to be able to play at

Randy Gregory's level as a rookie. So no. Now you're also comparing apples to Oranges because Randy Gregory is about to be on a second count or I guess it'll be his third contract making a bunch of money, and a rookie wouldn't make that at twenty four. But I don't think you can replace Randy Gregory in the short term.

At twenty four, I don't believe you can do it, Okay, So that means no at fifty six is At the same time, Ran, do you think there's anybody and we can make this a little easier because I agree with you there's no way you replace him in the short term. But long term, is there a guy? There's guys that can develop? My boy a Mafe at Minnesota, Thinkitty at Penn State. Like there's dudes that could develop, but not ones that I'm wanting to pick in the first round

and trust him like that. I the guy that I think. There's two names I think could replace Randy Gregory Logan Hall. No, I mean I think that he's a defensive tackle. I know. I think if you drafted Carloftus or Walker, I think you could replace Randy. So you extend it to the top four, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said if if, if, if you lose Randy. I would say, if Carloftus or Walker were there, I think you could probably. I think you could probably handle that. Is that something you'd feel

comfortable doing? I yeah, because I got both those guys in the first round. In that scenario you're keeping TANK would assume yeah, yeah. If you keep in Tank and you said, Okay, we lost Randy, Carloftus is on the board, do Walker? George is on the board, Boom. Either one of those guys, I would go with it the one who's the most interesting, And it depends where you look. Jabo, yes, Ojabo could. He's the one. He could go thirty five, he could go twenty four, and he is. This is

Michigan's other edge guy other than Aiden Hutchinson. And he's got basically great athleticism. He's got long arms, and he's got two ways he wins as a rusher. One's kind of a eurostep to the outside, and he is an inside spin move. And just from his athletic profile and those two moves, he'll be a first round pick, no doubt.

It's a matter of what is he going to end up as, because he may end up as a double digit SAT guy that may happen, and I think he'll be a designated pass rusher in year one, like that'd

be his job. He might rush the passer. If to be honest with you, he might be the guy that's really more like Randy right where it's just at one with athletics, two hundred and fifty five pound guy, two hundred fifty pound guy, whatever, And maybe it's the guy winning with athletic ability, but is super super raw doing it. I like that. So that's almost a direct comparison if you wanted to look between the two, and if you're going to that he's a stand up rusher. Two, I'm

thud down exactly nice. We discussed in previous shows the difference between Nakobe Dean and Devin Lloyd. Dean out of Georgia, Lloyd out of Utah. But if Lloyd is the pick, how is he different than Jabril Cox. Cox is a good coverage linebacker, you guys said, so as Lloyd tell me about the big differences between the two. This comes from Christopher. I think Devin Lloyd as a college player

is a better forward player than Jabril Cox. Like Jabril Cox really shined covering tight ends and dropping back and making plays in coverage, but I thought that he was a pretty iffy run player in college. Devin Lloyd, I feel like people are going to get the impression that either I or we or whoever are lower on him because of how much I love Nakobe Dean. Devin Lloyd's

a really good prospect. Like tons of backfield production. He's not a take on guy against offensive lineman, but he is a slippery, work my way through guy, So he's got lots of backfield production. He makes plays in the run game, he makes plays in the past game. I'm a big Devin Lloyd fan. I just love Nikobe Dean's instant acceleration and instincts. But I get it. The appeal in the NFL is length plays at linebacker, so he has all those good things. Then you add in sixty

three long and that's that's a good prospect. The thing I could say about him over Cox is he'll make every single tackle. Yeah, I couldn't say that about Cox, Okay, and you know you watch Cox play at LSU and I'm playing next to each other with Randy Rush or Mica Russian, Let's go, they were there were We were very critical of him playing the run last year. Yeah, when we were talking about him coming out, and but we were not critical about him covering people, which he

can absolutely do and he's shown that. But with Lloyd, Jeff's got the player nailed. He will make every single tackle if you leave him on block. I love him. Brian says that I got a guy right. It's like you got to pass the teacher, get you riled. I don't know if that's a good thing. If I'm ever telling you you're doing something right. According to Derek Eagleton, you know we will. Yeah, we will have two or three guys in this draft. I'm already aware of them.

We're just gonna be like, no, you're wrong. You're like when you're wrong, and I have a super Bowl ring and I'm gonna be like, dude. But it was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. Yet the ring is small now compared to what they do now at the Yeah, for a draft that's been so unpredictable, or at least it looks like it's gonna be unpredictable. We've agreed on a lot of these guys so far. We need to start. That's the way I think you

get some more Jalen peatrees up in here. The earlier they're gonna be picked, the easier it is for everyone to agree. It's like, yeah, because that's why he's gonna get picked there because we all and then on the other guys, it's like, what do you see? So once we get outside of the top one hundred, we're gonna have some fun. I think even outside of the top

thirty or forty. You know, you know it's funny that you say that because and you you brought up the name Maffe from Minna, Minnesota, and if you've seen people talk about him as a first round pick. I know I saw a third round a huge Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's funny because I reached out to Gang of Seven. Those are my guys that I always kind of bounced things off of, and I said, hey, I had this MOFFI in the third round, and to a man,

they all went four four four. Him straddling those two rounds. Because I'm like that he's actual guy. I was like, I was amazed because I'm watching him rush against Petite Furry and those guys. He's having some success and I'm going, man, this guy's got some serious get off. I mean you look at him, true, you know, run the backs out and all that stuff like that, and you're watching him make plays. He's six four, he's two fifty eight, and every single one of these guys went four four four.

It's like I was playing golf four four. You know that I kept him in the third. I think I think the kid can run. I don't know how you cannot have somebody that has that quick of a first step and chase the ball the way he does. I mean, Ohio State, you can product on the top hundred. We'll go on the topic I should. I'm gonna fit one more question in here before we take our second break. Magneto on Twitter says, how about a guy in the

first seld rounds. It might be Magnetos, sir, it might be for x Men, it might be Magneto, m ag n Eto, that's Magneto. Okay, I'm sorry you have not watched X Men. Nope, not not a long time, my friend, young man. I'm sorry. Give me a guy in each of the first three rounds. So we'll just kind of lump that together. First one hundred picks that dan Quinn would fight for at e long arm fast dbs, undersized, speedy edge rushers, linebackers who are some dan Quinn guys

that he could potentially be on the table four. I think we're gonna We're gonna do it next segment. But I don't care because that's fine, go for it. I watched it last night. Quaywalker is my top second round linebacker, got it. Georgia's other linebacker number seven, and dan Quinn will like because he is full size linebacker six three. I don't have to wait in for two forty. And he can run. He can't diagnose like Dean, but no one can. But he's generally in the right idea of

what he's doing. He can run. He's a fluid athlete, so there's the ability to drop in coverage. And when he's rushing off the edge, you can see the length because he'll single arm, straight arm and offensive tackle. Yeah. And this is an off ball linebacker. So I think quay Walker is going to be one of those guys that was pretty good in college and might be better in the NFL. But he's my guy. He's my number. What are we picking up fifty six round? Quay Walker's

my guy. If we can get him there I have a second round grade, early second round grade on him, but he's my third linebacker because there's that much of a drop off in terms of Dean Lloyd and then I've got Walker as my third guy. What did you think about him? I'll tell you what I mean me personally, I fight. Yeah. No, I was going to give you another name. I think Jeff's got the player. I think

you guys got the player right. I was gonna give you Martin Emerson, the corner from Mississippi State, as a long guy. But I'll circle back here and talk about this outside linebacker since you guys are helping on doing that. Sure, let me get to my notes here if I real quick. I think the thing with Walker is he looks the part I kind of had him as an inside linebacker is what I had him as, and I like the way.

I think he's much better when he can attack things downhill some of his best players, or when he just goes straight ahead and just burst through the gap. And I think the thing there's he could really cover some ground when he's when he goes into that attack mode, powerful tackler, he's got some shock and popped to his hands. Uh. They used him as a pass rusher, so I know that probably got Jeff's attention a little bit as a blitzer.

But you know, when he you know, he tends to kind of use his strength more than technique when that's the case, but playing off blocks stuff like that. I think the instincts to read and react to the ball were good. But that rotating system though, you know, you kind of see him in and out of line. But man, he is a good looking guy on tape. I mean physically you look at six four two forty five. He

clearly in a while he disappears and Channing tendles in. Yeah, and then they all look they all But I yeah, I absolutely I believe I had him in the third round. Would you guys have him as two? I really like him. He'll be probably a top forty guy for me. Uh yeah, i'd probably say forty five fifty. I'm right there with you. Yeah, I went third round with him. I actually had him over Tindale is what. I had him considerably ahead. Martin Emberson,

you mentioned him out of Mississippi State. Yeah. I like Emerson a lot. You know, he's listened to his six one like two hundred and three pounds I think is what But you watch him play on tape, he is a really really long guy. He's a He starts as the left corner, and you know, you could play him outside, you could play him in the slot. I mean, he's got that length in the burst. I mean for a guy,

he's really looks really long and thin on tape. But I mean there were there were several times for LSU tried to run a slant on him and every single time he was there already make to play. I mean every single time they could not get a guy inside on him. And I think that's pretty impressive when you could cover those inside routes, the running, the movement for a tall guy, the flexibility of his game, it doesn't

take much for him to turn and go. So I could see dan Quinn going down there to start field Mississippi, maybe working out of Martin Emerson, and you know, kind of looking at him as a potential third round guy. I like that because that's a new name that we haven't mentioned on this show yet. But you look at and I haven't watched him yet, so take this with a grain of salt. But he had the third highest coverage grade in the SEC, according to PF. I mean, of course PF's not the Bible by any means of

draft process. If he's there, I mean in terms of coverage and and of course the length and the speed and the way he's able to cover the middle of the field, that's something that I think, of course dan Quinn would certainly be excited about. All right, let's take our second break. When we come back. Oh, I see him, Yeay, Magneto, the main bad guy of the x Men. I apologize or is he a bad guy? That's the question. Now I'm gonna have to go watch left It on a cliffhanger.

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twenty seventh. Vis Visit Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash United today. Welcome back in to the Draft Show. No David Helman this week. We'll be back from Indianapolis next week. A couple of shows from the combine. Jeff uh You think Brian brought us kind of more organized. Yeah, a little bit better run. It's okay, we're kidding Dave. Dave Helman is one of my best friends on planet Earth. Everyone who doesn't know, he's a sweet sweet man. Do you

think Dave is sober right now? No, there's no, no, he said, Marty girl, he's he's sit down in Nola. Do you think he's Do you think he has do you every single bead? Yes? Do you think he'll be sober at any point in the next week? No? No, Yeah, he's gonna show up on Monday combine. He'll be at the combine. He'll be fine for that. We'll be fine for the parts of it where yeah, just don't stand next to him because yeah, he might he might have.

I feel like that first day might be a little tough. Yeah, on Dave, I told him I would bring him some sunglasses, I'd have a hangover beer ready for him. I'll give him him a Crisp Miller Lite ready to go. Then then we'll be good to go for the rest of the week. So it should be a lot of fun. Of course, we'll be getting David Hellman back. And for those of you out here who have been asking and asking and asking Dame Brugler is going to be on the show next week. It was some shape fashion and

for wo so it will be happening. I believe we may have Bucky Brooks on at a couple times as well, So that's cool too. Getting the game back together in Indie and then we'll of course be back with Brian and Jeff in a couple of weeks to get there. K Hill, Oh, you're gonna get on. He's gonna be out there. I don't know. I might see Edge working for the Falcons now. He might be going to pop him on creating his own draft show. I would love to do that. I've never met Eds, so I'd love

to go up and introduce yourself. Came up with all this, no doubt. I've heard he's the founding father. He is the founding father. All right. I'm trying to get Ed on the Draft show on Draft day to last, like after the last pick. Oh okay, o good, Yeah, that'd be awesome. I like it. Uh okay, So do you know how to pronounce any of the X men? I do not want to test this as like when Magneto is fighting Wolverine and Sicklips rouge. I think I've kept that one beat. Yeah, I don't think so. Um, it

just hurt me. It just made me feel so old, you know, you realize she would at least the X Men. Well, there hasn't been a great X Man movie. Try doing radio with you five hours to day. There's never been a great X Men movie. But the comics in the old cartoon TV. Yeah, see, and I can't do that. Somebody had to take down the sentinels. They had to, That's true. Somebody had to do it. Pre combined rankings for a position of me trying to get a ton

of names out there. We we've already gone through a little bit of interior offensive lines, so let's go ahead and skip over that just for time's sake. But Brian, give me your defensive tackle rankings at the moment, in terms of who you would like to see in order one through five or however many names you want to go deep, Well, you want ones or threes? Oh? I mean yeah Davis? Uh, My ones would be Davis from Georgia, Matthis from Alabama. Jones from Connecticut would be that side

of it. Then, and then on the threes would be wyat Lyal Logan Hall, and then Winfrey and if I skipped down a little further than we start talking about Ridgeway, Ferrell, and Garrett would be my guys that I've kind of got down through the fourth round right now. And those are all one text, No, those are all those are those between that as of ones and threes is what those are? Okay? He named the first seven names that Brian said, and I think he has them all in

the second round. I don't. I don't have any first round. Are the seven guys I have in the second round now? I have Logan Hall listed as an edge and I think he can do either. He could be an outside gag being inside guy. Travis Travis Jones for you as a second round player then right, absolutely, okay, yeah, absolutely, So here's my order and I actually have them all together. Ones in threes. I went with Jordan Davis by a hair as my top defensive tackle. DeVante Wyatt, his teammate

the three technique, is right behind him. Travis Jones is my third defensive tackle, the Yukon one technique. De Marvin Leale, Texas A and M is my fourth defensive tackle, followed by first names. Here's at perryon Matthis h perryon Winfrey. I'm sorry, I'm sorry Matthiss, Perry on Winfrey in that order is how I have the Winfree six, Matthis five is I which yes, leals four, even though I think he's like the seventh or eighth best tape, but it's

the freaking athlete. Should he be in the third round on tape, he's probably a third rounder. But that's the whole game, right, The whole game is balanced tape versus traits versus what can you be? And then we figure out where to pick him in. So second round I have Davis Mathis, Winfree, Leale, Wyatt Jones. Those are my top six guys in that order. So I mean this is second tackle. Yeah, I like um and I like

I like DeVante Wyatt too. I put him right there, touching tags with to Marvin Leal because of it's almost opposite. I like math or I like Wyatt's tape more than Leale, but Leale has the traits whereas Wyatt. I'm not as impressed by the traits so little. I think White has the best defensive tackle first step in this class. I agree, so like he's not the overall athlete that Georgia trigger everybody quick. Yes, he's not the overall athlete that Leale is.

I don't think, and hell maybe the combine will tell me I'm wrong about that. Well. I think he relies on his explosiveness a little bit too much, that first step, and sometimes it kind of gets him in trouble because he's not the strongest guy in the class, even though his size is there. I put a comparison justin mattabeke Is who he reminded me of who was the second

round player. Yeah, this is Diviner Wyatt because he's not always doing the same thing Jordan Davis does where it's like playing square and trying to control And I'm like, maybe he is powerful enough to be a even a run stopping three while he's a penetrator. It just seems like on tape he's more the I'm exploding and let's see where I end up. That's where he plays the run because he's getting across the rom just slips through. He's like disruptive that way. That's why I think he

could play the run. Yeah, let's go to cornerback. Who are your corners that you have looking out? And this could much like defensive tackle, get a little crazy in terms of the rankings that you've got there, Brian will start with you Gardner from Cincinnati, Stingley from LSU, mcduffee from Washington or all my first round guys. Okay, Carry from Auburn is my next guy. Elam from Florida than

Booth from Clemson. In the second round, Elam, it's gonna be Emerson from Mississippi State, Gordon from Washington, and Kendrick from Georgia would be my third round guys. And then you get down into the fourth round, guys like Britt Taylor from Nebraska, Woolen from San Antonio, and then Marcus Jones, the little short Daddy from Houston would be my guys. I've seen so fun Short Daddy, he seemed more. He's seen more corners than I have. But I've got Sauce

and Stingley as my ones. McDuffie as my cheater Grade one two. Booth out of Clemson is the top of the second YEP. Then McCreary, then Elam at Florida, then Kyler Gordon. I have Washington's other corner as my cheater two three scouts. The scouts say that he's better than actually McDuffie and which I'm like, really, Kyl, he's a full sized corner that they say is going to test off the charts. Yeah, and like he's got he's got some good tape. Not as good as McDuffie mcduffy. Are

both going to test really well next week, right? I think so? But Gordon I have his two three. And then I also watched Sauce Gardner's teammate Kobe Bryant him in the like him. Yeah, I've got him in the third, so I've got him a little higher. I liked him at the Senior Bowl a lot, one of those guys that was kind of overshadowed by Gardner. And I want to talk about Gardner here in a second as well. But Kobe Bryant one of those let me pull up the scout in report, but he's one of those big, long,

real laws corner linky. He was a leader on the field. I asked a couple of his teammates, my J Sanders at the Senior Bowl. I asked him, I was like, who would be one guy on your team that people are overlooking? And he said Kobe Bryant. So that's coming from from him specifically, he was a Jim Thorpe Award winner. I mean, he got some recognition, but still overshadowed by

a mod Sauce Gardner. And he's kind of risen in popularity lately because the stats have started to come out in the coverage grades and stuff like that did not allow a single touchdown his entire collegiate career. Why is he now being considered a potential top corner in this class because I don't think we've talked in depth about him on this show just yet. So Sauce is. I think Brian and I might have been talking about this with Dane on Wednesday. YouTube dot com slash Jeff Kevinaugh.

Sauce Gardner is when teams are gonna talk about Derek Stingley have questions, right, ls use Derek Stingley is six foot give or take, super sticky, really good corner. Teams are gonna wonder what were you hurt? Hurt both times that you or were you did you lose? What is love? Football? Question? Yeah,

Sauce Gardner is gonna measure at over six two. I don't know if he'll be six three because I've seen him training multiple times and he looks me about dead in the eye and I'm sixty three, okay, so he's gonna be a real life six three or a little bit less. And man, this dude wants to take your soul. He wants you to not want to run routes anymore. He is a press man corner that moves really well for that size, is super physical, wants to blow up

the screen game. And I was told when he showed up to where he's doing his pre draft stuff at Exos that the cornerback room like it was a lot of humble, quiet learning sauce showed up and suddenly everybody was an alpha male. So like he is, he is going to rally bring you confidence. He is a really really good player that's going to bring it out of you. Two. I love that. I think this thing about Garner and the one thing I could say this game is not

too big for him. He relishes the opportunity. I think Jeff nailed the player. I'll say this though, you talk about the alpha male, that's the question about Stingley, And if you talk to people who know the player very very well and you ask the questions about did you really quit on LSU? Was he legitimately injured giants should take both of them and maybe Sauce can bring it out of Stingley. Yeah, that's that's the plan. That's the play.

There are people will say that if you expect Stingley to be the alpha male in this thing and to be the leader and all that stuff like that, he really needs a big brother. He needs like, for example, if the if the Vikings were to sign resigned Patrick Peterson and then and then somehow Gardner or Excumi that Stingley ends up at Minnesota, then you're going to have

like that's the best case scenario right there. Not just because of the LSU guys, but but they say Stingley needs a big brother to kind of get him along because he's not going to be the guy that's going to stand up there. The learning curve as far as the leader and all that stuff is really really steep

for him. Whereas you watch Gardner and like Jeff was talking about, he goes and works out with these other corners, the level of the room raises because he's the confident player and he's actually I think he's the best corner in the draft myself. Definitely gonna hear his name a little bit early on it. He's starting to get into that category of maybe not going to be there at twenty four. Ye he wasn't on the initial list that we talked about the other week. What he is now?

He was? He was, Yeah, I'm sure we might have said ever a mod or gardener, but I bet we said sauce. That's probably what it was. One got it all right? That does it for us here on the Draft Show. Gentlemen, I could do this for a whole another hour. I could do this for twelve more hours. Yeah, let's just so easy. Let's do it. Yeah, let's just double it up. All right. We'll be back throughout the middle of next week live from Indianapolis in the NFL

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