Draft Show: Worth Taking Risks At Pick 28?

dot Com. David Hellman from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Kate Garrison, Executive Producer. I want to welcome everybody to joy. How about that thirty five days? Boys, This one seems like it's sneaking up even faster than usual. To me, I'd agree. Yeah, it's a random assessment on my part and we've been through a lot, but a lot, a lot of way to go. Yeah, a few pro days, uh today if you important for days? Yeah, that's what I was gonna get into. I was gonna get into on this show.

I'm sorry before you do that. I was just I think I got so used to last year, really like we already we already it was a fourth overall pick. We already had it all narrowed down last year. Because it was the fourth pick, you really only had to worry about eight guys. Less than that, like five guys. Yeah, and now it's I got nothing. I got no clue. I got no clue. I got nothing. It's thirty five days. We'll figure it out, We'll get we're yeah, we're gonna

have wake up one day. We'll be talking about But by the way, we've had some meetings. Just to let folks know real quick, we've had a bunch of meetings and it's gonna be wall to wall coverage. Just get ready like we've like we've done in the past. Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner will join us as well. We're gonna be doing some simulcasting with one oh five three the Fan, our radio partner, official radio partner, the Dallas Cowboys, So

we'll be doing that. We'll all be there'll be all kinds of ways that you can grab us for the draft, but we're going to cover all the picks. Dane will tell you something about mystery irrelevant. I guarantee you we'll have a scouting reporter, A mystery irrelevant. That's what I would look forward to every year. The show today is gonna be We're gonna talk about Pro Days a little bit. Had another injury in Pro Days. You know, I'm getting

a little tired of the injured, the top players getting injured. Now, these Pro Days never seemed like that ever happened when I was in scouting, right, never seemed like you know, you went and worked guys out. You know, we had guys work out the combine. But you know what we have now that we didn't have back then, the individual workout teams going back in and working guys out. That's

turning into something different. Now It's hard to get a gauge of who really likes who unless you figure out listen. And that's the great thing about Twitter though. You know these players will talk. Yeah, I've gotta gotta be the cowboys gonna meet with you know. That's that's something good. But it's unfortunate. We did have another injury in the Pro Days and uh Fabin Moreau, you sell a corner, Yeah, your pet cat, my pet cat. Yeah, a guy who

I had in my first round walk last week. It's especially the bench press, like yeah, come on, and he didn't bench at the combine because it's the peck. Yeah, just a little a little strain his left shoulder, a left peck. But he does it at the cat at his pro day and ends up furthering that injury. Hopefully we don't know the severity of it yet, you know, is it something that hopefully strain. Hopefully he can avoid surgery. That's a terror. It's not something that is too extensive.

But you know, hopefully we find find out more details here in the next few weeks so it doesn't hurt his draft status and team to understand what's going on with the injury. Need to figure out though, David that with this injury he was you know, it was something that they identified at the combine. He went through the workout,

but I wonder if he'll be at the recheck. You know, that's something And what's what's unfortunate though, if you're a Cowboy fan, is the fact that now cornerbacks are getting hurt, and cornerbacks that are in your range of two of your two of the guys that you thought they were both on the short list of guys that you thought were a real possibility, and they well, maybe not Sidney Jones, but I would say Moreau is probably it'll just be a cowboy in the third round. Now, sure, well let's

talk about that a little bit though, too. Can Dallas afford to take injured defensive players in the third round. I think you can. I think you can. You can do that. Um, it's not ideal by any means, but players staying, oh yes, I have you've seen the guys walking out of this building. I'm not talking the first round, not talking the second round. But if you're really relying on a late third round pick to come in and

boost your team, you got bigger problem. Anthony Brown, Oh yeah, that way, you're not relying on that, right, Yeah, exactly, That's okay. So what I'm saying, you look guys to get play using that reasoning. Let's just wait to the sixth round and we'll go. I'm just saying, how about guys that can play? Right? And I think that Sidney Jones is a guy that you can stash and you a year from now you'll be really happy you pulled

that trigger. I think he's got a point that you're in trouble if you need your ninety two overall pick to do something if you need it. I've passed it. I'm passed to stashing of players now for this team, I think it. I want to know after after going through Jalen Smith and there's still uncertainty there. I want to know more about Moreau's injury, Like Sidney Jones is another story. I know he said he thinks he'll play for the season. I'm not buying that, no, But I

think Moreau, I mean he could potentially. That's not a how about just any derail his sea? How about anybody? How about anybody that's injured? How about but each one's so individual. Ross. I already like McKinley, McKinley, I don't want you already hate McKinny. I don't want it. Just get used to it. Now. McKinley's gonna be a das cowboy in the late first round stop. He's coming in here for a Top thirty visit. And I tell you, well, I've talked to him like what three times now. He's

one of the best. Well, that was a little news nugget right there by can go ahead, and that's why he's on this show. He's one of the best salesman in this class, he'll sell himself to this this staff. In terms of Jerry fall in love with him, you think, oh yeah, I think so right, kind of guy fall in love that if he's there but coming off the injury, that you have to wonder how much that will factor

into their decision. Me as a reporter, and I said this at the combine in terms of, like me selfishly just wanting the most interesting, quote worthy player, bring Tack McKinley soundbites, and you shouldn't base your first round pick based on the first three months of his career and how available he's going to be. Having said that, I just really want the first round pick to be able to play right away. Whoa, whoa, whoa Wait a minute. I just made that argument, and you guys are telling

me the stash players. No, I didn't say that third rounds different than the first You know, I want guys who can play. Now. Am I arguing that point? You're arguing for it right now? Yeah? No, I'm saying, and I kind of got the pushback from both of you. I don't know. I don't worry about it, sane. Do you realize that, yeah, third round is different than the

first round? First two if you can get two guys in the first two rounds that are gonna help your team right away, great, But in the third round is a little different. And with Sidney Jones injury, it's we're talking about different injuries than Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith, we weren't sure if he's gonna play again, let alone, you know, just be ready for the next season. So I mean, no, I know, absolutely, And that's why I wasn't a fan of the Jalen Smith pick then and I'm still not.

I still don't like it. But with uh, with Tack, it's a four to six month injury the shoulder of the laboram surgery. Uh, you know he had it, you just say, you know, beginning of March. So it puts him in line to beer back right around when the season starts. And you know how much training camp and Zeke really have, you know, I mean, he's a running back, a lot easier for running back. That's a different transition.

There's a better comparison on the same team. MALIEK. Collins broke his foot in early June, missed all of training camp. You know, I specifically remember completely writing him off. I was like, he's a rookie. He's a third round pick. There's no way he'll get acclimated in time. Second on the team in Sex, so and so by October one, you might be feeling pretty good if McKinley's on this team. Yeah, I wouldn't hate it. I would not hate it. He's

a good player, he's a great quote. It does not it's not an injury that should limit him long term. But I would be much more intrigued by a player who I knew was ready to go change gears here Connecticut boy, he continues to go up to charts. Obie Obie Melofa wu yesterday, four nine on the twenty shuttle, ten six nine on the sixty shuttle. That's ridiculous, seven o five on the three cone drill. That's ever. But yeah, he's a good football player, thanks coach. Is he? That's

why I want to talk about when? When did the number? They did? Some good things? Can't you're killing me now? Too many drops? Can't calm down, calm downs, draft show. This isn't talking cowboys too many, too many. The thing about him is when does the tape When does the tape not show the player? I mean, I mean, is the tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is the tape there is not everything that I just said, not a four four forty, not all those things. Team's

gonna get fooled by this guy? Is he gonna go a lot earlier? Because there's of size and the history does not smile. We've talked about that a bunch on this show, that history does not smile on the tall safety. No, there are examples of working out, but for the most part, you're right. If the draft was hell December thirty, first, Obie probably goes mid to late third round. Yeah. Yeah,

that's exactly where the tape shows, right. So now that he's going to be, or now after the combine in the pro day, he's got a bunch of private workouts set up. He has a good chance of going in the first round because of the athlete that he is and the way he tested. And I get it, But his flaws on tape, I'm not sure are as correctable as that would make it. It It would lead you to believe, because his issues to me are as just his mental trigger, his mental process. He takes him a tick a half

tick to really process everything that's happening. And then react and by that time he's either out of position to make a play where he misses it. So I like the player. I think he's a third round player. He tested really well, but I don't think the flaws that he showed on tape are easily correctable, even though he's an e lead athlete. Let me ask you this, and it's hard to answer, but every year there are guys that get overvalued and then we in the media, maybe

not so much. You're you're more plugged in than most, but we're kind of surprised to see them go where they should have gone all along, probably, And is that the case with a guy like this, I mean, we think we're thinking of everybody thinks he's going to be a first round player, that he actually goes in the third. We're talking about it. I don't know if he goes

in the third. We're talking about Obi as a twenty five to thirty two type guy, and maybe he's a second round pick at least, which maybe that's still overvalued, but not as crazy overvalued as he seems right now. I think that's possible. Yeah, you know, I think he's with what he did. The combine of the pro day. I think he cemented himself somewhere in the top fifty, and so now it's just a you know, where does he belong in that top fifty? Can he sneak into

the first round? Absolutely as possible, but he fell to the early second It shouldn't be too surprising, especially because again his tape is third round worthy. And you agree with that, right, bro? Absolutely? I see that's the thing. A lot of fans out there asking me about him at twenty eight. Yeah, I wouldn't pick him at twenty eight just because I trust that tape. You have to the name of it. That's the name of your other podcast, correct, Yeah, that's a heck of a name for a podcast. Yeah,

you don't. I'm not. I'm not fooled by them. I don't. Yeah, I don't like it. See that's where that's where I'm a little concerned. Is there any other players in this draft that the tape is not as good as the numbers? Definitely? I mean I want to I'm curious. I'm curious if I'm curious if some guys that tested really really well. Yeah, I feel like Ross, you know, ran really well at least the first He's got first round talent. We expected that, right, Um,

you know, I think Christian McCaffrey tested really well. But again I think we expected that. I think you see that on tape. He's an outstanding athlete. Who else Humphrey? Are people talking about Humphrey the corner from Alabama as a first round type talent? Now maybe we're down where Dallas is picking and that twenty six to thirty two range.

I'm glad you bring him up because I feel like when the draft process started he was maybe not mentioned in the same breath as Lattimore, but he was a guy that it really didn't seem like Dallas had a shot at him, And now it seems like he's being pushed down the board. So I've always see Lattimore. No, no, No No, I'm Humphrey. I've always felt like Humphrey was a second round player on tape. I remember seeing him

up in the twelve, fifteen, sixteen seventeen range. Yeah, I've always had him in as a possible top twenty, top twenty five guy. I didn't. I never thought he'd be a consideration for the Cowboys because I don't think he'd be there, because I think he will be now. No, I when you're built that way, when you have that length at the corner position, you have that speed. I think his issues on tape are correctable. He's only a

Richard sophomore. I think he's going to get better. Where that's a difference between him and Melifono where I'm not confident Melifono was going to fix his issues, but with Humphrey, I do, and he'll get better with his issues. I think he's the top twenty to twenty five corner in this draft, and I think that's where he will end up, going him or White from Lsu Humphry. For with my corners, it's Lattimore and Humphrey. Humphrey is my number two. What's

the situation with Tabor? Now there's a guy a poor workout, but the tape is better than the workout. Agree, and there's now he's the other way right, same thing with a Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup another worst six who he might be the best route runner in this draft with the way he can create his own separation bridge routes. But with the four six out, if you're four sixth athlete, you're coming from the FCS level some teams, that's obviously

a turn off with Tabor the four six. You just never want to see that for or you know, gosh, I hope they get him faster at Florida. Yeah, and he wants I like him. I'm timing him at thirty eight yards. I'm serious. I'm telling my scout, hey, are you giving to fudge the numbers? I don't know. I want the player. Why do you want the players? Like the player? That's the great thing about Like Mike Williams. If you liked him, he ran a four or five three. If you don't like him all four or five. I know,

I know you know. But me I make excuses for the guys we like, Oh, we always do. Taber is tough, he is, he makes plays. He does make plays. But in the NFL it's just different. You know, you have to have that speed. And you're killing him now. I'm no, I'm not. I'm not killing him. I'm concerned, which I think is fair when you go out and you and it's not. It wasn't just a forty. I mean all of his drills were terrible. You could say that about Cook.

They running back from Florida State. Yes, that I am more willing to trust the tape there than with Tabor because of what you see Tabor do, because he's not I've seen Cook make people miss. I'm not worried about his explosion as births. With Tabor, I see a guy who is very instinctive and he he has a very good feel for the position. So he understands how to put himself in position and make plays on the ball.

But if he makes a false step up, he's not going to be a guy that routinely recovers in the NFL corners. You're going to make false steps against NFL wide receivers just at that level of competition, and so with Tabor it just worries me a little bit more. I'm not I'm not killing him to the you know, I'm dropping him off my board, but I do think there is a level of concern there with Tabor, and also factor in he did not interview well. I've heard

from several teams that told me he did not interview well. Again, we've talked about his brash, cocky attitude. He'd be either at sixty no, Yeah, I think that would be a little surprising fell that far, but I do think it's possible he's somewhere in that No. There's concern, but with especially with Sidney Jones going down. Oh yeah, Morrow, Yeah, we're gonna need some corners to play here, right, So I think here I'm talking about in the league, Tabor.

I think he's squarely in the top fifty somewhere. But I don't think it should surprise anyone if it falls out of the first round. More concerned about his speed and quickness or ability or Mike Williams at Clemson. I always worry more about a DB's yeah and speed, Like, I mean, you don't have slow, not quick receivers to make a living. That old miss guy that we love so much that I bring it up all the time. Oh no, we were wrong about him right now, initially

we're wrong about him. Dez Bryant is not a burner. He's not like the quickest dude, Jarvis Landry. I say it all the time. He ran a four seven at the combine, Like, sure, you can get by with less than elite speed, right receiver, dB, I don't know, Yeah, i'd agree, and it with Sherman run will I don't have his number off the top were five five, four five eight out of Stanford. I mean it's that wasn't

wasn't really fast? Well, it's I with link. It's hard to run that fast when you're six three, two hundred pounds. I mean like that that top like top end corner speed. And it depends on how you're used with Sherman, the way he's used in that scheme. It doesn't have to be a burner. And if Mike Williams, if he's used the way you know, to his strengths, then he won't have to be a fourth three athlete to be productive. We don't have to close the book completely on Lakwan Treadwell. Well,

it's it's all mental. That would be the albatross you wear. Oh my god, that would be your Joey Harry if he doesn't get it together. It's it's so we're all guilty. Other pro days rolling out. We've we talked about Yukon, UCLA, North Carolina Trubisky and then they get to make a big deal. No GM's no coaches show up. Okay, watch how many people go through there and have private workouts for him? Right, they'll figure that out. The quarterback Pro

Day has become the most overrated thing in the draft. Frosts. Yes, it's just teams just don't care as much because I mean, if it's an opportunity to see him throw, great, you know you can never any opportunity to see him is great. But it's a scripted workout. It's on their own home field, to their receive own receivers. If if you told me these quarterbacks are gonna be blindfolded, okay, then I'll go watch because then that might be a little more interesting.

But with you know, all the perfect conditions, you're sleeping in your own bed the night before. It's just you should be perfect, and most of these guys are, so you just gave kids or no, no hope. At Notre Dame today, Kaiser, Kaiser, I love correcting you on would you say? I said, Kinser, and I'm saying you sing of the dirt track guy that's coming out here April eighth at the Texas Motor Speed. Can I interject Kaiser quickly? Notre Dame, Yeah, go ahead, breaking news, not really breaking news,

but pertin into our interests. Ian Rappaport is saying Fabian Moreau underwent a successful surgery on his torn peck, and they expect him they expect him at full strength by training camp do with that. What you wrn peck, corn peck, I'm losing a corners. But that's what I'm saying, though, is a torn peck to I believe that he could be ready, maybe not for day one of training camp, but by the time the season's ready to roll around.

Whereas with Sidney Jones, I think he's crazy if he thinks he's going to be ready for the start of the season. I can at least talk myself into Fabian Moreau being ready. Torn peck, How did that hit you? That's tough. I thought it was a strange I mean he listen to listen to Jim Moore talk us strange. I think I would still take him. It's an upper body injury, it's not his legs. But you wouldn't take tack No, because Tax's not gonna be ready for the

start of the season. The sounds like similar. It's a very UCLA heavy show today. Yeah, that's good point, very good players though. Yeah, No, I think they're both in play at twenty eight. Kick McDermott in there too, Go ahead, get him as a priority free agent. Oh, like third round. I had a third round grade on him, Dane, Did you really put him as a priority for the sixth. I think I don't think he's he's you're brutal, he's got light feet, but he's gonna get eating up in

the NFL. We'll see anyway real quick. Okay, other pro days going off Stanford. You talked about Ohio States Pro Day as well, and uh Missoo's having their Massoo's having their prodols. I wrote that down. Yeah, if you're a prospect, if you're Christian McCaffrey, are you going like seventy five percent speed making sure you don't strain it. I'm not working out. Yeah, I'm showing up. I'm showing up my real pretty Stanford sweats. And if you want to meet

and talk to me, have at it. He'll bring his harmonica, Yeah, if piano man, whatever you want to do, yea my iPad. I'll just hand you my tape. Yeah. Well, and this is a player I remember skip the Bowl game for exactly Yeah, you know when at this point time watching him fall like this, No, not with thirty five days left, those decisions look no justified as the no weeks and McCaffrey killed the combine. There's nothing that he can show you at his pro day that would make you like

him anymore? Right, So he is I zeroed a gain. If I'm McCaffrey, I'm not working out. I agree. Okay, Well, when we come back, we're gonna take our first break. We come back, we're gonna do a little Twitter on the twenties, so stay tuned. With unlimited data from AT and T, you can stream your favorite Direct TV content almost anywhere. Side effects may include sports induced public celebrations, yes, increased desire to share spoilers, and repeated late night use

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I love the interaction that we get to have with our fans out there, love the opportunity to answer your questions. It is called thank you very much. Can't careson David Hellman, it is your show, all right. I love good segues. So Ryan had a good question for our previous topic. He's saying at twenty eight, he gave us a list of injured players. He said, Fabian Moreau, Tack McKinley, he said, John Ross, But I wonder if he meant Sidney Jones.

So I'm just gonna say both. But either way, let's say those four players in terms of value and how you feel about their injury problems. What do he liked most? Like? John Ross isn't is healthy now, but he has injury concerns, lingers injury history already and he just had surgery on a ship. Yeah, so I mean each one of them you could pull holes medical holes. So I mean, do you just go with the best player on your board at that point? Yeah, I'm trying to think of who who?

Who is not? I can't. I need players. I keep arguing that. I keep wanting guys. I need guys to play. To me, Ross the best player of that group. Ross would be the best player of that group. But with bringing back, I can't draft the receiver twenty eight with Terrence Williams back, Yeah, I don't. I'm not sure that you can because you have your top three receivers and

so you know, where's this guy gonna play? Um and he's got injury issues, it's fair, but he is an explosive player, yeah player, you know, four wide receiver sets. I'm going to figure it out. You know, I'm not I'm not married. I'm not. I mean, I know it says four years on Terence Williams, But if Ross gives me an explosive player, I'm I'm putting him ahead of Terrence Williams. So Terrence Williams is gonna sit on the bench,

maybe your third or so. I mean, you could sub sub aim in nine million to your number four receiver. I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to figure out a way. I am not married. I'm not married to the guy I don't know, and you shouldn't be. And if I could get a more explosive player on the field, I could stretch the field that helped Dez Bryant. Terence. I've seen what Terence would do. I love Terrence, I have I have you know Terence. I love the player, I love the fact he blocks, I love all that

about him. But I'm not sit there and saying I'm gonna sacrifice one of the most explosive players in the draft. I mean, I get what you're saying, but the offense is it's fine, it's so, it's ready to go today. I don't. I can't ignore a position of need and a player of similar value just because I mean, you know, I know, I'm just trying to I was trying to answer his question about what would I do was sit with what would I do with Ross's I play him,

It's not. I just don't think that's great roster management. Okay with then eliminate him. You're not gonna have Sidney Jones. I would draft him a row because it's the most pressing need on the roster and it's an injury that he should be able to bounce back from relatively quickly. More worried if you're the Cowboys about your corner play or defensive ent. Probably corner just because of of who's playing. Yeah, I mean just the bodies and not in the depth chart.

I'm not trying to tell you that the defensive ends on this roster are all pros, but you could play a game with them, right and I don't. Right now, I worry about getting through games with the cornerbacks on hand because there's really only three, right, and I think with those names, though, I think i'd go Tach McKinley.

I think i'd go with the player who is top on my board, and whether or not he's ready for the season opener, I think I feel pretty good that he's on my team starting in October, so I had the right ends of the guys I think are right ends. I know you hate when we talk about left and right ends. I do, but it's okay. Garrett was my first right end. McKinley was my second right end. There you go. Cornerbacks Lattimore, Jones, Moreau, those were my three though.

So that's what I'm saying. McKinley Moreau on your overall board, would have to go with McKinley over Moreau, Okay, I would. I don't hate that, like, I mean, I know I kill them, but they're both first round players. Yeah, so I mean you know that that's that's the thing. I but I understand what you're saying about the corner thing. I wonder if how they will stack their board. They

need both. But again, remember how deep this corner class is. Yeah, I mean, when you feel good about pick sixty getting a corner there, even in the third round, you know, I think that there's some comfort level there knowing that

you you can get a corner later on. Are you comfortable with taking Morow at twenty eight if you're the Cowboys, as long as the this recent news about his torn peck and the surgery, as long as you know the doctors signed off on it, and say listen, at some point during training camp, he will rejoin the team and be one hundred percent, then yes, I'm comfortable with that, agreed McKinley. Yeah, I'm they're totally okay. I didn't ask you about McKinley because I think you're okay with McKinley.

I am, it's it's and listen, he's not a perfect player on the field either. He we're talking twenty eight, right, No, I know, I'm saying like, if we're picking at four, we're not talking about any of these cats. Yeah, right, Tach McKinley had had the four or five nine forty yard dash, great ten yards split. Sure, his three cone was terrible and that was surprising, right about. His shuttles weren't great. And so this is a player who is still relatively raw as a pass rusher. I mean he is.

Motors did a nice job. I went back and watch Bowls play against him. Bolls did a nice job the Utah at tackle. He got him frustrated. He did. McKinley is, he's extremely relentless. The motor is lit. But sid yeah, he does have some you know, he's not a perfect player either, So there are some questions there. But that's why I think he could be available for you at twenty eight, and at twenty eight, I think that's the

good value at that point. I agree, and I wouldn't have a problem taking either one of those guys I just listed. You know, Garrett McKinley, you know, I see him in the same got him ahead of Lawson, you know, I mean, and I like Lawson, And in my mind when we started this journey, I'm thinking Lawson's our guy at twenty eight, because I'm not thinking McKinley is gonna be there now, not thinking now, I'm thinking there's gonna be a quality player there at twenty eight. Agree, and

at a position they need. I really think it's going to be a pass rusher or a corner. I just have this feeling safety. Maybe throw that in there. Actually, Okay, I love good segues. Thank you, Brian. I know, like I don't want to talk about the radio professional. I feel like we need to talk about this because I hear about this guy more than anybody else. And I don't need y'all to tell me that you think he can play running back. We don't need to go there.

But Cowboy fans want to know about Jabrill Peppers. Is there a case for him at twenty eight to do something on this team. What do you think about him? Etc. Etc. If you're a Cowboy fan, here's your wild card. Get ready for this one. Greg Jackson is now on the staff. Greg Jackson was Greg Jackson was with him at Michigan. Greg Jackson will be able to tell them the scouts everything that he can and cannot do, maybe all the

things you don't see on film. But my old teammate from LSU is a safety's coach here, and trust me, I'm going to saddle up to him when I see him in this cafeteria and ask him, because you got to figure this out. I think the guy could play running back. Dane thinks he could play strong safety. He's a hell of a football player, no doubt about that. But what do you do? I mean, it's the argument he just made for Ross. What do you do? Where do you play him? How do you work him? What

are all the things you could do with this? Let me throw this at you, and I use this as an example for Buddha Baker, and I think it makes a lot of sense. Given the I would rather have Buddha Baker fair enough, and I think, yeah, I think both of y'all have said that before, but you'd think about Byron Jones. He did not have a clearly defined role when he was drafted by this team right away. Would you be willing to spend the twenty eighth pick

on a guy like Jabrill Peppers? Keep Jeff Heath as you're starting strong safety and just let him be a free range whatever guy. And I mean any role in dimeback, nickelback, whatever it is he can do. I mean you're basically drafting a role player in the first round. Is that feasible? Yeah? At twenty eight, I'm willing to roll the dice there for Jibrol Peppers. His struggles in coverage, you know we've

talked about that's so well said. I mean he's an elite athlete, he really is, yes, but that doesn't always translate to understanding what it takes to be an elite cover guy. And you know, watching him on tape, tight ends were able to gain separation from him. I mean, it's just he's not He needs a lot of work in coverage and I think he'll get there. And talked about this before, but how you know stretched out he wasn't Michigan because he was on offense. There was not

just like five plays for him on offense. He had to know the entire playbook right, especially once they're starting quarterback went down. His role grew little bit on special team, so he was in all these meetings during the week, and I don't think he fully had the chance. And he was. He was a corner when he first arrived

at Michigan, played a lot, linebacker, played nickel. He wasn't allowed to focus on one set of responsibilities and you know, do those things and develop at that one position once he gets to the NFL. That's why I'm almost kind of against him being that free range guy. I want him. Give him one set of responsibilities. Let him do one thing, and he'll get better in coverage we know we can

do as an athlete. Just let him run. I think as a strong safety at twenty eight, he should be in the conversation quick okay, quickly, y'all expect him to be there at twenty eight. No, I think he'll go earlier. Brian. With the way the city, Yeah, I think somebody will figure out what they're wanted. I think somebody will have, like Dane says, I think he again he said it very well. Someone will come with a plan. Okay, I don't think he'll be there. Michael wants to know we

talk touched. I'll tell you why can. It's gonna sound really stupid, real real quick. Somebody will like some some general manager has an ego that when you take a guy like that, you look smart. Yeah, you know you're the you're the smartest guy in the room. I know a lot of these general managers, and some will say everybody wants that first pick to be the one that, like everybody's buzzing about. Yeah, that that stops down draft

night when that one happens. Yeah. Well, remember Keyan O'Neill went Top twenty last, and Keyan O'Neill has his coverage issues. You know, he was more of a strong safety, a bully as oh he's but yeah, physical tough guy. Yeah. So you know, Peppers is a much better athlete, not probably not as polished or proven as Keyan O'Neill was, but for those same reasons, Jebrol Peppers I think will

end up some more top twenty five. Yeah, but I'm just saying it's it sounds crazy, but some some general manager, Yeah, let's let's look smart, We'll be the smart guys here. That sounds like, I mean instead of it's stead of evaluating him as what are you gonna do with him? But if you draft this guy, you better have a plan. You better have a plan at what you want to do with it for his sake, I hope they do. Yep,

Michael wants to know. And when you touched on this with McKinley, I'll throw Charles Harris out there as a guy that didn't impress much with his workouts. Does that how much does that concern you? You know? I mean, and you trust the tape all that, But with these guys that are kind of in that range, how much does you know that that poor testing or lack of elite athleticism, how much does that bother you compared to their resume on tape? I mean it has to to

a certain extent. You know, it's not going to drop him down your board. It's not going to. But at some point, I mean you have to look at it and say, okay, let's watch the tape and figure out, Okay, is he tightened his hips? Uh? What's his ankle flection? Like?

Can he really you know, shave the corner? With the flexibility that you want and as long as the tape to you what you need to see, I think you're okay, more so than the numbers, but ideally you want the numbers to match up, and for some of these guys just that wasn't the case. Yeah, he looked like a different player working out than the one you see on tape.

And I'm just reading the numbers right now from the combine and these are the actually the numbers from the floor, from the actual timing at the you know, four seven nine four eight zero second one four eight seven four eight one. Aren't you? Aren't you kind of boxed into that though, when you're picking twenty eighth, I mean, I'm not expecting physical freaks to be there at twenty eight,

at least not the upper echelon type guys. And we're talking about some pretty good players though, Yeah, with McKinley and guys like that, you know, Moreau especially, Yeah, I think this workout at Missouri is going to be really important for him to say happen, just to have a better time, maybe a better twenty shuttle. Because you do watch the tape. The tape is you could see him Ben, You could see him getting around the corner. You can

see first step quickness. You know that surprises me because then again you talk about the kid from Kansas States, Jordan Willis. Jordan Willis does his three cone is like through the roof, and you're saying, anybody's like, wait a minute, he didn't play that way. So sometimes you get fooled if did they train but to meet the tape. The thing with Harris will be the tape. And I hope he has a better forty today and I hope he has a better three cone in a better twenty shuttle.

And what I think is working in Charles Harris's favor is during the positional workouts at the combine, he looked really good. Yeah, um, you know, the forty and the agility testing all that wasn't great, it was average. But during the positional drills I thought he really he really looked good and helped himself in that regard. I've got a really awesome outside the box question from someone named I need money. So we all so do I we

talk about the potential of a need at tackle. Yeah, could Rico Gathers play tackle so that you don't have to worry about drafting one interesting because they used him on the scout team last year and I as a guy that could that was a fill in tackle. But with the situation also too at tight end, do you worry about do you say, well, now we've kind of spent this year trying to develop him as a as a maybe the last thing you want to do is give him a new duty. Yeah? Why do I want it?

Why do I want to spend three hundred and sixty five more days trying to make him a tackle? Yeah? But it's you know what, great question though? I actually, I mean I kind of problem solved. I like outside the box thinking that's great. Is there anybody you would like him in the better than in the fourth or fifth round? And we've talked about this tackle class not being great as a tackle. As a tackle, I mean, if you were to project him as a tackle, would

you like him better than say Banner Sharp? I don't. I can't even. I would not take him over anyone in this in this I wouldn't draft as a tackle if you Okay, So if it's say, say we took him and put him in this draft class, I would not. I would not. I wouldn't draft him as a tackle. I've never seen him go through tackle drills. Does he have can he sustain the weight? You know, what's his contact I've never seen him play tied in either, but we could. We saw the drills, you know, we saw

him him in the preseason and whatever. We saw him catch the ball during drills at this time last year. Do we know about Rico Gathers. We knew about him as a potential guy that we saw him work at workouts. Yeah, I mean we saw him catch the ball, we saw him move around, we saw him run some rounds. We could tell you he's athletic. But playing tackle is more about technique. And I mean size is great, length is great. It's way more about the technical skill at the position.

And if you don't have that, then you're gonna get eaten up by the pass rushers in this league. And so this Rico Gathers is not helping you this year. You could start right now and he's not gonna help you this year at tackle. He's not probably fair, No, I like like when people think like that, I mean because he has the size. Sure, maybe for if you're planning for chas and eighteen, Yeah, maybe, but you're planning for twenty seventeen. You've done not gonna help made this

Germany journey to be a tight end. Yeah, that's what your hope is. You hope he makes the team is on the fifty three is a tied end. Okay, Well, let's say that they really like Adam Sheheen at pick sixty and that's the direction they go. Then all of a sudden Heshen you've seen him play. Yeah, well, and then all of a sudden Rico Gallers, let's bulk him up needed sixty. If he's there, I don't know if

he'll be there. Dane finds a way to talk about Shaheen on every episode, and you know what, those other guy cowboys, they showed interest. But also the show is the Chicago Bears, the Saints, the Steelers, Oakland and Detroit. That's why he might not be there at sixty. There's a very possible scenario where he's gone somewhere in the top five. Watch his face light up on day two when that all happens. I told you play that podcast again.

Bane's gonna go. You got one more question for us, Dave Um Yet I got a Senior Bowl question from Mark cam Sutton and russellll Douglas. One I think needs to play safety. That would be Sutton Sutton. Yeah, because I watched him. You talk about watching somebody I know. I keep bringing this up about Sutton. He looked far more comfortable play in safety than he did playing corner, and he actually had to cover Oj Howard and he looked good doing it, like he was not intimidated having

to take Oj Howard and carry that size. I think that there's several guys in this draft, King being the top of the corner that could be the safety guy. And if you're playing with these six defensive backs and you've got a guy that could play safety, play corner, Cowboys covers for safeties A lot ton, Yeah, a ton Yeah. I'm not so much though on Douglas. I like Douglas at the Senior Bowl, Like he was better at the Senior Bowl than he was on tape. There's another one

of those guys. I don't know. I didn't see. I'm not a big fan of either of those guys. I think there's a sudden. Yeah, I'm trying to find a spot for Sudden. I'm not saying these guys are day are day you know, I'm looking at my cornerback rankings, neither or in my top fourteen. These are day three picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I'm Douglas might go even sooner than that with that size. Yeah. I have Sudden in the fifth and I had Douglas in the fourth. Okay, so yeah, we're

on the same page. Then. I just think that might go a little bit earlier than that. Yeah, I think there will be teams that like them more than we do. Okay, it only takes one. It takes one. Thanks everybody out there for twenty on the twenty. When we come back, we're gonna play. Tell me more. Stay tuned to work this big land. You need equipment with values rooted as

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free agent pool. But that'll be very ready here hopefully a week from tomorrow, next Friday. Than you get that, they go to your twitter. Yeah, go on my Twitter, tweet out the link. It's a pdf download. Uh you got back. It's been awesome from everyone, so you should the best it is. It's the best draft guide in the in the market. We've got a draft guide too that we're doing Star Magazine. We're putting together our stuff as well. That should be out a couple weeks before

the draft. We're working on that, getting it all squared away. So make sure you get Dame Brugler's the Beast again DP Brugler. You can follow along on that. He will tweet the link out to where you can order that, and then Star Magazine will put some more information out about that as well. All right, David Hellman, tell me more. All right, we need to go rapid fire today because

I feel like Twitter on the twenty went long. Yeah, it's okay, but as usual, the goal here, I'm trying to find us players that we either haven't even mentioned or at least haven't really discussed in detail. With that in mind, guys, tell me more about Middle Tennessee cornerback Jeremy Koutrare. Good name, and I'm glad you said his name correctly. I'm a little biased. He was supposed to be an LSU guy, so twice. Yeah, I knew who

he was before the draft cycle started. It's a player who yeah, like like David said, it supposed to an LSU guy out of high school and then after Juco just didn't have the grades, couldn't qualify academically. So he find winds his winds up at Middle Tennessee and he's that tall, lean, speedy corner who can move pretty well. The big question is weight he was in the mid one sixties. Yeah, one hundred and seventy pounds. Yeah, well he was even lower than that at the pro day.

I mean, he's very, very lean, but he's got kind of it's his backstory is just all over the place, like even right now, and he's living on people's couches right uh, and so he doesn't have that nutrition program right now that's going to help him maintain that weight. Surprise, he wasn't at the combine. He's a draftable player, uh,

you know somewhere I think the fourth fifth round. If a team invested in him gets that weight up, I think that they're gonna have themselves a player, a guy who can start in this league, similar to Robinson who the forty nine ers to correct that kind of lean guy. It is the LSU connection there, But yeah, I think that the players. He watched him on tape last night a little bit, and he's got the ability to cover.

There's no doubt about that length. The link that the tackling is a little bit, you know, but a lot of off coverage though, a lot of drop drop, drop and then drive that kind of thing. But when he gets up on somebody, he can turn, he can mirror, he can go. I do like the player. I think you're absolutely right. Someone needs to make the investment on him and try and put some weight on him one hundred and seventy pounds. That will be difficult, six one,

one seventy. I think he's talking talking to his coach. I couldn't get his coaches say a negative word about he just raved. He said it's the best player he's ever coached. Yeah. Wow, good program to at Middle Tennessee. Yeah, and they had the top combine stumble last year with buyer to safety went to Tennessee and with third or fourth rounds, right, fourth, fifth round, that's what we think. I would probably take him higher, but in terms of

value where he's gonna end up, I think fourth, fifth round. Yeah? Like it? All right? This guy intrigues the hell out of me. And so I want you to tell me more about Miami running back Joe Yearby. I have you watched yarb? Yeah? I did? Did you like him? Because I I wasn't. I like his explosive I like the quickness. I think he's a four or four two guy. He's short, he's five eight and a half. But I like the explosiveness about the player. I don't know if he could finish,

but I like his toughness. I thought he caught the ball well and I thought the vision was really really good. And I know he's a backup guy and that's probably what he'll be in the league. He looks like a stock of your dunbar. To me, he is. He's like a he's like a fire hydrant. He's like a little fire hydrant, that kind of stet. But you watch him run, you do see some finish with him, you know, And I forgot who he was watching. It was, Uh, it

might have been Georgia Tech. Linebacker's got even set up right in the I mean right in the crosshairs and it's it's left plant bomb out of the gate to the right. Guy falls out of the way. Now he's up into the second level. So I like the explosiveness of the player, but I don't really know. Is he going to be the every down guy? Probably not, but that's not what I'm looking for. No, but he It is funny him and Dalvin Cook teammates same backfield in

high school, talk about, you know, trying to defending that backfield. Uh, And it's funny because he has initially committed to Florida State and then he switched in Miami. Then Dalvin Cook went from clumps In to Florida State. That was a whole big thing with your bet. So I agree with everything you can said except one thing, and that's the vision. Yeah.

I didn't see the vision when you When I watched him on tape, it was he had vision, but his tunnel vision, and he was missing open holes here left right. He he he's very patient and he follows his blocks, but almost to a fault because he's following his blocks even when there's an open hole developing over here, he

just didn't sense it. And so is there a place in the NFL possibly for a guy like that who is going to follow the play design and he does have the toughness, he does have a little bit of burst to him. Sure, absolutely, But I do question the vision. It's just an instinctive feel. I don't see that. That's why to me, he's more of a dime a dozen back, you know, the guy that. Sure he might be able to, you know, make a depth chart and help you out a little bit, but I don't think he's any more special.

Veghables might not help him. If you're looking for a guy at the end of the draft, we're just drafted traits sounds it sounds like Dane's talking about a priority free agent here. I have him greater as a priority for I had him in the sixth round. That's what I want though that and that's why he's intriguing to men. I'm gonna have to show him some tape of him with the vision. This is a guy we actually have talked about, but not in a while, and it's fitting

because Michigan has their pro day tomorrow. Tell me a little bit more about Chris Warmley, one of the highest floors I think of this draft. You just know who he is. He's not a great pass rusher, but he's he's big, he's stocky. He's going to give you snaps inside and outside. He's over three hundred pounds. Yeah, but I think he's more of a defensive end. But he's just not a pass rusher. He's your base end who is gonna, you know, hold the edge, keep contain and

be a factor versus the run. He can also help you out kick inside on on third down, you bring an extra pass rusher on into the field, so whether it's a three four or four three. I think he's a bass end, a solid Day two pick. Nothing wow or flashy about him, just a solid player. Yeah. The thing about him, and I think he's a three four end. He reminds me very much what those Oregon kids that

we watched the last couple of drafts. Yeah, Buck nor Armstead, those guys that are better at playing as a three four defensive end. I think the guy. I like what Dane's saying about him. I thought he needed to get off blocks a little bit quicker and chase the ball. I thought he was a good awareness though good player, like he could do some one gap stuff, even though you think he could be a three three four defensive

end when you play two gap. But I just think, you know, if he plays as a four three player, he's gonna have to play as a one technique because he doesn't have any pass rush ability. He really just doesn't. But he's just a good run player, is what I feel like. Where can I get him? Not that he sounds like the Cowboys would want him, but okay, see I kind of have a because I'm dealing with a four three team here. My team's a four three team. So I kind of had a comment, I have got

a bump. I have a group of guys like Whys the Jones kid from North Carolina, Warmly, Those are my three four defensive end guys, so I really don't have them in the mix with And you can might even talk about Charlton a little bit of that maybe being a better three four defensive end guy. I don't want to talk about Taco. I've got Warmly uh as a two three, So goill higher than me. This is a This is a Dane Brugler special because I didn't even know that Bucknell had a FO three no pass Russia.

What two three and no pass rush? Well, it's what he is. He's a he's a bass end who, okay, is gonna give you a lot of snaps and give me some position versatility. You're hijacking my segment. Sorry, you're at the Senior Bowl. It's been three months since the Senior Bowl. It's not it's not a bad a day to revisit from time to time. Tell me more about Julian Davenport, the offensive tackle out of buck Now, this isn't a great tackle class. We've talked about it. But

if there is one developmental tackle that you've is that. Yeah, you feel raw, shi, Yeah, but two to three years from now, you feel like you can grow into something. I think that's Davenport. Fourth round, you know, early day three somewhere is probably his landing spot. You know, obviously coming from the FCS level, didn't face top competition. You saw it at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, just very very raw, just who he is. But with those natural skills, you know,

former basketball player. He has a long armed cat, he is, and he can move a little bit, he can move a lot. I think, yeah, he's not, you know, not the finisher that you want. But I think give him time. I think he can develop that technical skill. And hopefully you don't see him on the field this year and for his sake, but if you, you know, draft him in the fourth round, maybe a sophomore year year, two year three, he can potentially give you meaningful snaps. Yeah.

I saw a guy that to me, I liked watching him play because I felt like him getting away from the line. He had an understanding of how to play. But can he do everything? Like you said, the technical aspect, you know, the kicks, slide, hands, feet, working together, the length is all that is great. Like I said, he only did eighteen reps, you know, with with the two twenty five. Now, okay, Travis Frederick only did twenty one

I believe when he came in there yet exactly. So there's guys that it's about functional strength and about weight room strength. I don't think he has functional strength and I don't think he has weight room strength because you

do see him get compressed some. But you know someone's gonna draft him and they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna train him and get him because the feet and the athletic ability for somebody that's like six seven is and he's I think he's three hundred and eighteen pounds three right in that range and a half. Yeah, So that's what I'm saying. I think that there's a guy there. There's a guy that if you want to develop up a guy, you know, maybe be your fifty third guy.

This is your cat. This is a great room to develop a tackle in eighty eighty seven and a half in twinks me. I can't remember who tweeted this, but someone tweeted that he can change both mirrors when he's in the car with a wing fane. Sorry, ridiculous. Where are we talking? I think fourth round? Yeah, I had him more to five, sixth round. Love, I love this. I don't want to spend a premium pick, but I would do that. You don't have a five day, so get one of those real quick. Tell me more about

Ohio linebacker Blair Brown. Like the player? You like the player speedy? Uh, he's not big. He is smaller, he's five eleven four maybe, but he doesn't play like it. No, remember watches that defensive in bash him. Yeah, he'shim, is a good player. But this Blair Brown, go ahead, remember last year talking about a MAC linebacker who was undersized, Jatavis Brown from Akron. Yeah, played well, ended up going in the fifth round, and yeah, I did play well

for San Diego. He's not quite the athlete that Tavis Brown is, but similar. You know the type of mold where it's that MAC linebacker who's undersized, not getting the just due. But he's he's a player, he's gonna He's a magnet to the ball, the closing burst, outstanding a lot of range, and he's not afraid to hit you. Yeah he does night. He plays much bigger than he looks. This guy, you could say, watching him play on tape, you could tell he loves to play football because he

is always around the ball. I mean he is. He's physically, I said, physically not the biggest guy. He's short, like I say, five to eleven four in that range. He's a sideline the sideline player, and he gets after. He could beat blockers to the ball. That's what I really liked about him. When you talk about the awareness, you see the play, you go get down, He'll make the tackle finish. I think that when you talk also about contact. Balance is another thing. When he hits, he's not all

out of whack, he's square, he tackles, he wraps up. Yeah, Blarah Brown, where do you I put him in the fourth round? So I I like this player a lot, and and it's nice to know Mac. The MAC puts some good players in this league. Yeah, these are tough that you call it the bus league, the bus league because they drive everywhere to the games the NFL from the MAC. Yeah, this is what I'm looking for here.

That's why I like this segment. Yeah, looking for good players that they don't have to spend a premium pick on. I guess that's what you're telling me about right now, Kit, before we get out here, is there one call available or is that? Do we miss that up? No callers right now? I know. I try, I try, but Kent does a great job. So he'll play the music and we'll get out of here. I want to thank everybody for being a part of this. Want to thank Dame Brugler.

I want to thank you David Hellman. Want to especially thank Kate Garrison for always keeping us on air. I want to thank Derek Eagleton for his leadership, Kayler Stern for always putting our stuff out. We'll be back next week. We will be back to to investigate and educate. Appreciate you guys, take care. This has been a production of Dellas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.