Draft Show: Will You Be My Draft Crush?

the NFL Draft. It's hard to keep count at this point because we're getting closer and closer along the way. But we are going to break it down in early Valentine's Day gift for all of you listeners out there who decided to tune in, as we're gonna give our Valentine's crushes of draft prospects at each position. And plus, hey, Dave Brugler gave you a nice little mot draft Valentine Day gift earlier today. We're gonna go through that as

you can find that on the Athletic. But I want to start things off today by asking mister Jeff Kavanaugh a question because I feel like you're probably the more likely of the four of us to do this. But if you were on a boat and you have the Lombardi trophy in your hand, would you have the guts to toss it to another boat in the middle of a bay, let's say Tampa Bay, at some point throughout that celebration. Would you have the guts to do something

like that? Oh? Yeah, I don't care about pretty much anything, Kyle. Yeah. Yeah. Plus I'm an experienced boatman. Ye are I'm a lake Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm a lake man. But I'm an experienced boatman, and I'm an experienced drinker. So I think that I could pull that off with no problems whatsoever. I could throw the Lombardi to kat and I could throw it. I'll say I could throw it from without even knowing how much it weighs. I'll say I could make that

toss from eighteen yards. Okay, Katie, would you make the catch? Tank? Uh? Yeah, no, I've got very good at hands. My problem is getting separation because I'm a little chubby. I'll set a pickup for you and run the dig. We'll be good. I'll call them both. That's all I need to be doing. Yeah, I can make that point for you. Okay, I just wanted to make sure. I just wanted to ask that question because I don't know why, but yesterday I was like, which one of the three of these Draft Show guys

would be more willing to toss a Lombardi Trophy. My first thought was Dane's face whenever it happened, whenever he actually saw it. But then my second thought was, oh, Jeff would probably ultimately make this toss. Now, Dane, what did you think about the Super Bowl? Is? We didn't get the chance to get your thoughts on or all three of y'all's thoughts on the Draft Show Tuesday? What you think about the final of Tampa Bay taking down

Kansas City thirty one that night? A little surprised that the Chiefs were not more ready for the Bucks defensive game plan. I thought that, you know, Andy Reid knows way you know, add up all our football knowledge and Andy Reid still knows way, way more. Um So, you know, I just thought they'd be a little more ready and be able to adjust to what the Bucks were doing. But I mean credit to uh, you know, that defense,

the pressure they put on the pocket. Um you know, of course Tom Brady what he was able to do. I mean, it's it's really remarkable. Um, you know it's and I think just as a you know, the thirty thousand foot view, the fact that we got through the season with no cancelations, a few postponements here and there, a few scares, a few teams had to you know, play a game without coaches and players and all that, but you know, ultimately we made it. We made it

to the finish line. And credit to the Bucks for you know, I think if you we watched him throughout the year, just get better and better and better. And obviously part of that is you know, Tom Brady bringing his uh of knowledge to offense and getting comfortable and just everything jelling at the right time. So uh, you know, they they're ready to come back and do it next year,

so it should make it interesting. I thought that game provided a lot of hope to other teams around the league of like, hey, you might be closer than maybe maybe you think. I mean for the Chiefs, and we know how dangerous the Chiefs are with their weapons and all that stuff. In my homes, I don't have to tell you that, but like the mistakes, kind of the sloppiness on defense, and everyone's gonna grap about the penalties, but they put themselves in a position to like not

overcome those penalties by stupid mistakes. I'll never understand someone lining up off sides on a field goal attempt. It's the dumbest thing in sports. Um So, like I see things like that, I'm a man. I kind of what

Dane said. I can't believe they weren't more ready. And I think in the NFC, you know, I think that that since, like I know, Tom Brady's a monster and all this stuff, but that defense is the story for me at Tampa Bay defense, and that kind of tells you, Okay, look we can go put points up in if we can find a way to build our defense a little bit,

we've got a chance to compete in the NFC. And I think we saw that with New Orleans in Green Bay thinking they had a shot and the Rams that they kind of had a shot for a while until quarterback chaos ensued. And whatever happens with Seattle, I know Russell Wilson's been saying a lot of stuff. Whatever happens with Seattle will be interesting. But the NFC to me

is still very wide open. Jet I think it showed me that the draft show is where you build champions, because if you look at Tampa Bay's last three years of drafts, you're gonna find three years ago, Vita Bay, Ronald Jones, Carlton Davis, Alex Kappa, Jordan Whitehead, everybody that I named as a starter. I mean Ronald Jones, I guess kind of sometimes twenty nineteen, Devin White, Sean Murphy Bunting, Jamal Dean. Every one of those is a starter. And

then last year Tristan Worf's Antoine Winfield Junior. Those are studs. So I named you at least three Pro bowlers and a whole bunch of starter and a whole bunch of good starters. So basically, when a team gets to the Super Bowl, show me their last three to four years of drafts, and I'll tell you if they were actually there. And for Tampa Bay, the answer is absolutely. And then they convinced the Goat to show up, and then he brought his friends. But a lot of what they built

is the last three years of the draft. I just gave you part of their offensive line, their entire secondary, the best nose tackle in football, a guy who's going to be an All Pro offensive tackle for a bunch of years of Pro Bowl safety. That's all in the last three years of drafting. So that's nothing. Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Jeff. That's where the Cowboys defense is. Where it's at right now is because they've missed a lot in the twenty seventeen draft. But Taco Cheeto, Jordan Lewis,

I know, we talked about Xavier Woods. You know, Zavier Woods might be a starter, you know, like, that's where their defense is. Where it's at. They missed our entire year of drafting, and that can't happen. That sets you back if you completely with on one year. And you can also argue maybe twenty nineteen two without half a first round draft pick and then Triston Hill being your second round pick. I mean you could argue there that

you missed as well. Now there's still a lot to kind of from come to fruition with the twenty nineteen draft that we don't know if Tristan Hill is a miss yet. But you didn't have that first round pick, and I think not having that hurt you on the defensive side of the football. It's pretty nice to have a Maria Cooper on the offensive side. But I completely agree.

I wrote about it a little bit this morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about the building of Tampa Bay and how it's kind of reversed from what the Cowboys have been doing over the last couple of years. It seems like the Cowboys have said, hey, let's sign all these free agents, try and get a cheap deal or at least a bargain discount on free agents, and then fill those holes with some draft picks. Now, Tampa Bay

did the opposite. They drafted really, really well, and they'd say it, Hey, now that we've drafted well, let's bring in these guys. Like Jeff said, the Goat and his friends came along and then all of a sudden, you're a Super Bowl contender. But the Cowboys have a long way to go in order to do that, and they're gonna have to hit on a couple of picks in order to do so. But let's talk talk about Dane's first round mock draft. You can find it on the

Athletic It's mock Draft three point Oh. Mister Dane Brugler. First, give us just kind of your initial thoughts on riding this up, and then we'll get into the Cowboys pick and kind of how things in suit scenario wise, Well, I wanted to switch things up a little bit and introduce some trade opportunities. You know, it's mock drafts are at this point in the process, all about laying out scenarios.

You know, what are the possibilities, what could happen, And it's just it's not realistic, honestly to do a mock draft without some type of trades. You know, just last year's draft, in the first round, there were eleven teams that drafted in a spot other than that where they were originally slotted. So there's going to be movement. It's going to happen, especially when you consider the quarterbacks at the top of this draft. Now, is it, you know,

almost unrealistic to nail those trades. Yeah, but at least we can lay out some of those possible scenarios that could be on the table for some of these teams. And so that's what I tried to do, lay out you know, trade compensation, the reasoning behind some of these moves. And you know, all and Ali had six trades in this first round mock draft, so a lot of movement. The Cowboys stayed at ten, but there were two trades

in front of them. Uh. You know, we talk about the quarterbacks and how they're probably gonna go quickly, and that's what happened in this scenario. So that's you know, on one hand, it'd be great for a quarterback to fall to ten because then you can talk trade down and all that. But at the same time, if four quarterbacks go top ten, that means you're pushing another good player to you at ten. I think that's what happened

in this draft. Was there a scenario in there somewhere where you thought about trading the Cowboys pick either to go up or down at any point? Not up? I think it really just it would come down to because there were there were a few possibilities that I looked at. When you have the Giants sitting there at eleven, and let's say Jamar Chase Davante Smith goes somewhere in the top ten, I think there's one more receiver in this draft that's really in that top tier, being Jail and Waddle.

And so you're looking at a few teams, you know, like the Patriots or you know a few of these other teams that are maybe looking for that weapon, and you want to get in front of the Giants to go get that weapon, and so at ten, I think that's a possible landing spot for one of these teams. The other scenario that I looked at was a team like the Charger sitting there at thirteen. They are a very offensive line needy team right now. They need to

keep Justin Herbert healthy. They need to do something to upgrade that offensive line in several spots. And so if you know Penne Suo goes early, and then you know Rashawn Slater, if he's the next guy off the board, and let's say that a team like the Chargers has a gap between Slater and that next offensive tackle, well maybe they would look to trade up to number ten ahead of you know, a team you know like that could possibly trade in front of them to get that

offensive tackle. So I think there are a few scenarios here that are plausible. But at the end of the day, you know, I had them stay put at ten. Patrick Surtan was there, and it made sense for them just to stay put. If they don't have a deal on the table that blows them away, stay put and draft,

And that's what they did in this scenario. So in your scenario, the biggest trade was the fact that the Panthers went from number eight up to number three and they ended up taking Justin Fields instead of maybe letting mac Jones kind of fall into their lap. A lot of quarterbacks. Trevor Lawrence number one, Wilson goes number to Justin Fields goes number three. That's pretty much what you would think about the first three picks of the draft,

no matter who's going to be picking there. Maybe with the exception of Miami, Kyle Pitts goes number five, the tied end from Florida, the Eagles, Well, we will now have to see Jamar Chase wide receiver out of LSU, for the next couple of years. Twice year Trey Lance is Washington's new quarterback. Is they traded up to seven

to go get a quarterback there? So just talking about the NFC East opponents here, Jeff and Kat specifically, whenever it comes to the early parts of this mock draft, having to see Jamar Chase twice a year, and then Washington, a team who won the division last year, finally getting a quarterback that's at least somewhat competent and not injured

in the backfield like a Trey Lance. What does that say to you about the NFC East potential If they're going to trade up and try and go get these guys with the Eagles, if they're not going to take a quarterback, I wouldn't worry about the Eagles for the next half decade because I think Carson Wentz is gonna get traded and I don't think Jalen Hurts is good enough to be a good NFL quarterback. So if they're going to take a wide receiver, I think that's fine.

What would worry me as a Cowboy observer is if Philadelphia takes a quarterback and hits. So in this scenario, I would say Washington is the team that's doing themselves a real favor and Philadelphia is still going to be in trouble. It's nice to have weapons, but if your quarterback's not good enough, and I don't think Jalen Hurts is, then you're not gonna win a lot of football games. Washington finding a quarterback, a real life quarterback because Alex Smith,

ain't it, Taylor Einekey, who knows. But if they find a real life quarterback, that roster is better than the Cowboys roster. If they have a quarterback, they can win the division again. But the Cowboy and now there's wild cards there. If the Cowboys get their entire offensive lineback and you have Dak and he's fully recovered, blah blah blah blah blah, then you can still win the division. But Washington finding a real life quarterback. That's the biggest

problem in this division for the Cowboys. And I think you made a good point about the Eagles, and that's they're really interesting in this scenario, with Carson Wentz likely on his way out, what do the Eagles do a number six? Is there a quarterback there that they feel great about that they'd want to go get in In In this scenario, the only quarterback available Trey Lant or you know,

Mac Jones, even if you want to include him. But I think the Eagles are at a point where, even if you do add a young quarterback, is the rest of the roster good enough, you know, And so I think that they're at a point where they can build up the talent around the quarterback in this draft and then aim for a quarterback in next year's draft, or if they feel strongly enough about a quarterback, just drop them now and then you know, do your best to

fill in the pieces later. So the Eagles are interesting crossroads here that I think makes them a real wild card, and I like the idea though at the question we're kind of talking about the NFC East. But you know, if I'm the Falcons at pick four and three, quarterbacks are off the board in this scenario where Carolina has traded up, if I like that guy a little bit,

I'd probably going to pull the trigger. And I know, maybe they think they can extend Matt Ryan a little bit more his career a little bit more, I might go ahead and rip off the band aid and start to rebuild. I guess my question for you, Dan, I know you've answered this before, but like next year's quarterbacks, what's the what's the feeling quite a bit of a

drop off compared to this year? I mean I think so, um, and that's that's the vibe or who's what I've been told by many around the league is just they're not wild by next year's class. Um, you know, the North Carolina kid. Um. You know, we'll see if the Oklahoma quarterback can you know, really develop in you know, the next season, so much will be dependent on what happened next year and the steps that these guys take. But you know, there's no feel at least at this point.

There's no Trevor Lawrence. Uh, there's you know, no that guy. But you know, there wasn't a Joe Burrow Um, you know, going into his senior year. So you know, we just don't know. But I think it's interesting with atlantup because they're in a spot with a brand new regime, new head coach, new general manager. You know, they they could

absolutely start building for the future. And if they take a quarterback at number four and it plays out you know like this where a quarterbacks go one, two, three, four, that'll be the first time it's ever happened. We've never seen that before. We've had it happened where quarterbacks go one,

two three, but number one, two, three four. I think with Atlanta, though, with a new regime coming in first year general manager, you want to hit on this pick more than anything, and I think adding Pennay Sewell to upgrade that offensive line from the get go, Atlanta can still compete. I mean, yes, they need to get better on defense, but you add an offensive line piece like Pennai Suel Matt Ryan is not going to go down without a fight. He still has weapons a throw to.

You make some additions, upgrades on defense and free agency, Atlanta can make some noise in that division. So, uh, you know that the Atlanta is in an interesting spot where they can still compete and you know, maybe not go the quarterback route even though they do have a top five pick. So let's ask another quick question. Yeah, go for Katie. Those are real quick. So in all, a lot of these Mark Jeff scenarios, you know, and in this one we have the Cowboys taking Patrick Surtan.

If we had to rank if say the four quarterbacks win earlier, if you had to rank for Dan or Jeff or whoever, if you had to rank Patrick Certain, Caleb Farley, Pine Sewell or a Shawn Slater, how would you rank those four prospects overall for the Cowboys or

just in a in a vacuum in a vacuum. But but you know that we know the Cowboys are thinking about these guys because those are possibly positions of need at least at least off it's tackles possible, right, Yeah, I mean I know for me, I Sewell would be my top guy and then it would be a debate between Slater and Farley for the next for the next player. But you know, Sewell, I think is just he's He's a premier offensive lineman who is not even close to

playing his best football yet. You know he doesn't turn twenty one and t October. Just there's so much ability there and you know that's there's just a lot that you can do with the player like that. So Sewell will definitely be my guy. And then it would be a debate between Slater and Farley who who would number two be on that list. I'm interested in the fact that you said Slater and Farley next and not certain Is that corrected? Did I hear that right? Or did

I hear it the other way? No? Yeah, I like Certain Um, I just I like Slater Farley just a little bit more. Yeah, I mean, I go for it, Dane. Sorry, didn't mean to catch you off. It's it's a situation where you're, you know, the better player versus a better prospect. I mean Caleb Farley, I think when you know we've talked about before, talk about his athleticism, that size the ball awareness, how much better you think he's going to get still with Curtan. I think he's a top fifteen

player in this draft. Uh just you know, he's missing a little bit of that speed element that you want and missing a little bit of that twitch, but he consistently stays in phase, he finds the football. Uh you know, he's a guy who's ready to step in from day want to be a starter for you. So I mean, I don't want to sound like it'd be a bad pick if they went that to direction, but when you stack those four players, I think he'd probably be the fourth of the group. But it's four really good players

right there. So based off of what you said and having Slater ahead of Curtan, Certan was the pick for the Cowboys in this mock draft. At ten, they stayed put. They took Sirtan. Now Farley and Sewell were off the board. Farley went one pick prior number nine to Denver and then Sewell win earlier than draft to Atlanta at pick number four. Slater was still on the board here and

even you talk about a fun trade. Slater went two picks later to the New York Jets after they traded in your mock draft, after they traded a first round pick number twenty three overall in Sam Darnold in order to get up and get that pick from San Francisco. Why was that the case in terms of curtain going to Dallas and then also showing that other teams value as highly as they do. Ris Shawn's later, Well, I think first off, the question was Slater is going to

be for a lot of teams. Can you play tackle? Um, there's there's I know there are some teams that have him on the board as a guard center, so you know, the Cowboys might be one of those teams. I don't know, uh, you know, And if they don't think he can play tackle, then maybe that changes the conversation a little bit um.

You know, not that you don't draft a guard at number ten overall, but not having that position flex because that's part of the reason why personally I love Slater so much, because I think he gives you that position versatility. But if the Cowboys don't see that, if they see him as a guard prospect, then maybe that changes things

a little bit. Um. And in this scenario, I you know, knowing the Cowboys the way they look at the they we know that they like to predetermine what they're going to do And in this scenario, in this draft, where there's two pretty solid corners at the top, it just seems like it's a very like the most likely scenario is them going with one of these corners, depending on

which one's available for him. And that trade situation, you know, it just comes down the Jets if they get a good deal for Darnold because they don't have to trade them, but I think they will if the right values there. And this trade scenario that I propose is basically the equivalent of two second round picks, because the Jets are moving up from twenty three to twelve, so the forty nine ers are still sticking in the first round and giving up a twenty twenty two second round pick and

to get their quarterback. And so it's a it's an interesting opportunity for both teams. And for the Jets, they get up to twelve, and okay, you've got a chance to draft a player that's gonna upgrade their offensive line and you pair Slater McKay Beckton at left tackle and left guard for the foreseeable future. That's gonna be a lot of fun. So it's an interesting, you know wrinkle

that would you know, surely shake things up. Do you think this is the safe pick, Jeff, whenever it comes to the Cowboys instead of taking an offensive tackle in a slater? Or is this the risky pick, taking a guy who may not be the better prospect but it fits your needs right now? I mean, I do think it's a safe pick. I think Drick Curtan is a safe pick to say he's going to play ten years in the NFL and he's going to be a starter,

you know. I think this scenario that Dane has drawn up brings a whole bunch of different names into play. I think for the Cowboys, I wouldn't be surprised if it brought the name Micah Parsons into play. For me, I would I would rather hear the name Jeremiah Wosu Coromoa, the Notre Dame linebacker. Gosh, does Christian Barmore come into play? Excuse me? But like I mean to me, that's early, but that it's kind of along the same vein as what the Curtan pick would signify, which is, look, here's

what we're looking at in terms of need. Because in terms of the best players available for me, it would be Jaylen Waddle and Rashawn Slater and Jeremiah Wosu Coromoa and and Patrick Curtan and those would kind of be the names that would be in that group for me. But I'm with Dane where I think what's going to happen is you'll have you know quite a guys that told you as yeah, these are solid first round picks. We're sitting here at number ten. We have a desperate

need for cornerback. So if Caleb Farley or Patrick Sartan is there, I think it makes sense. I don't think he would be the top player according to me that's available there, but it's a pick that makes tons of sense for the Cowboys, And I think part of it is I'm taking the best player there because I feel pretty good about cornerback and offensive tackle depth in the

second round when you're picking at forty four. And that doesn't real rule out taking a defensive tackle or a defensive end or a linebacker or any of those things in that spot, but I do feel really good about offensive tackle and cornerback depth. Going back to Day two, Waddle is the best player. What if it's Jalen Waddle, Okay, best player available at a position of need. Right, I'm just checking. But now you're right. I like that you're

throwing that out there, because I did. I at least turned my head like I do every time I go into a seven eleven and I see some wine. Is that wine in a seven eleven? Yeah? I don't know if I'm gonna buy it, but I might because there's wine in a seven eleven. That's That's what Jalen Wattle and Kyle Pitts do for me at that area. That's interesting.

And hey, maybe maybe Jaylen Waddle ends up being the miller light in the seven eleven and then all of a sudden you're really cooking because you have to select it. That's the issue. And a water burger on the way home, you know what I'm saying? Whoa, oh, some of them I'm at at and t phone. Maybe some of the other other players that were that we've kind of talked about and where they landed. In Dane's mock draft, the Patriots take Michael Parsons at fifteen. That just seems like

a Patriots pig. Goodness gracious um. Christian Barnmore goes seventeen to Las Vegas as the Raiders take him mister Jeremiah Usu Koramora, linebacker out of Notre Dame, who we all of the Detroit Lions who traded out of the top ten, gave a quarterback to Washington ended up taking Jeremiah Usu Koramora to pair in that defense at the linebacker spot. And that's pretty impressive, I think from a standpoint of a team trading back and still grabbing a guy. Jc

Horn another Cowboys rumored guy. Buffalo Bills take him at twenty one. Any other picks though here before we take our first break down, that's stuck out to you when you made him. Well. I love the Steelers trading up a few spots to get Christian Darrisaw. You know, they need help attackle and derris Saw just seems like a great fit for not only that scheme, but just the type of player that the Steelers look for. So they make a little bit of a move and get their guy,

you know, the forty nine Ers. They make that move, they move back to twenty three from the twelve pick, and they still get a solid player in quitty pay. Yeah, maybe they can or a quitty pay at twelve, and they fall down to twenty three still get him. I think Mac Jones at twenty eight to the Saints is just a perfect fit in terms of him being the new Drew Brees. There really fits that offense well and

I think they could hit the ground running. And you know the Colts, they get kind of shut out at left tackle with Derris off the board and a few other guys, So they move back and get Leah Meikenberg at the end of the first round, which I think would be a nice fit for them, and then last pick of the first round Miami, which this is Miami's

third trade in this h this mock draft scenario. They trade back into the first round for the their third pick in this year in this first round situation, and they get Travis etn So, Davonte Smith, Zavin Collins, and then they moved from thirty six to thirty two to get their explosive running back, so trying to get to us some more help on that offense. I love it. I think that's a fantastic and I wish the Cowboys would do something like that and get multiple first round

picks as Miami already has too. They said, nah, we want one more. Let's go ahead and snag this guy and try and make a run for the thing, because we also don't know what Miami's gonna do with two uh and if he's even going to be that quarterback moving forward. So there's a lot of moving and shifting

to be done. And while we're talking about trades, we've got Twitter on the twenty coming up on the other side of the break, and I'm gonna ask all three of these guys what it would be like to trade down and maybe go get one of those defensive players like a Jeremiah Usu Corribora or a Christian Barmore. How far would they have to fall? And are the Cowboys secretly in a rebuild. We'll talk about it when we

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dot Com Draft Show. It's a Thursday edition. Kyle Yeoman's Dame Burglar, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Kate T. Turner, and now we've got you guys answering fan questions on some Twitter on the twenty on the Chris beam as always doing fantastic work in the back and Jeff caving all. This is your time to shine, my friend, because this is a segment for mister trade down. Yep, yep, it's happening. Oh yeah, oh cool, yeah, captain trade down. No, this is a good thing, this is this is solid. Okay,

So multiple questions on Twitter on the twenty. I'm gonna try and read off every name. If I miss your name, I apologize. Just no, I'm thinking of you. Jason Pruitt asked Sherman asked, um, there's like three other people that ask this as well. Edward Canberra Junior. All want to know what is the scenario like to trade down for the Cowboys? What would it look like? How far would you have to go to get one of these top prospects that you were talking about. We mentioned a bevy

of names in the first segment. What would it take for the Cowboys to trade back down and how far would they fall? Well, I want to point out first that like Dane's mock draft scenario, he screwed it up if you wanted to trade down because he let all four quarterbacks go before the Cowboys pick. So ideally, you let one of the quarterbacks get to number ten, you let somebody come up and get them, and you move back and let's see the teams that would need said quarterback.

The Dane, now all these trades are in the way, New England, Pittsburgh, Washington, right night, either at Chicago, you know Indy, so you know you could go as low as twenty one. But here's the danger, because I play with the mock draft simulators way too often on my little YouTube page, way too often, and uh, one time I went down to like twenty or twenty one and I lost everybody and it was the worst mock draft I've ever done. So, um, that's a great question that

I'll try to remember and let you know. But because because here's the names that i'd be interested in a trade down. If if the k yes, it was awful, If the Cowboys trade down, then great, you accumulate an extra pick the names that I would be thinking about when I do it, and I'll go off of Dane's mock draft. Here is Sir Tan probably goes somewhere. Rashawn Slater is a name you'd love to have available. Jeremiah Wusu Coromoa, the Notre Dame linebacker. I would love to

have available, Christian Barmore, JC Horn. If all of those names are gone after I trade it down, then I quit and I ask if we can redo it. I'd be like Hey, Hey, I didn't mean it. Can we switch back? Because that is about the end of the defensive players that I'm trying to pick there in the top twenty. So if I don't end up with one of those guys that I would say my trade Doown failed and I'm not having a good time anymore. So

those are the targets. So you gotta be careful how far you go according to this captain trade Doown, I would agree. I don't really have too much to elaborate on. I think what you get to the Eric Stokes of the world that you know, if you want to say Leah Eikenberg or whatever you want to say, no offensive tackle, if that's where you're looking, the one name that I that I go. And I'm just kind of using Dane's my draft as a as a jumper and he's not

even my safety one. But if the Cowboys liked Moreig the safety from TCU is it twenty five, maybe that's a little it's a little far from me and really not the guy that I want at safety anyways. But I'm just throwing out names in scenarios because that's what we do in the draft. Who do you want it? Safety? Richie Grant, baby, Okay, I just wanted to make sure I like Richie Grant a lot. Where did yeh? Did Richie Grant go on the top the front first round? Here, Dane,

I don't see him here? No, no, Morg's snuck in there. Uh. Richie Grant did not. He was not in his first round balk Okay, where would you have him? Probably agree with Katie there, Yeah, I mean I get somewhere in the top, you know, forty five picks, But I would agree with kt I mean, I think it's it's a it's a close call. Who's safety one in this class. I think that there's a case to be made for Grant over Moorick. So it's it's a it's a really

interesting group of safeties. I hope Richie, a guy in the early thirties go, let's say, great, well, Grant might have to have to have to be a guy where you're at forty four and you're like, gotta love this guy. I gotta jump up to thirty five or thirty six and get it. Like maybe that's the thought process there. Yeah, I Dane said, top forty five picks. If he goes in the top forty four and he slides in there

at forty four, I would do cartwheels. That might be that would maybe be my player that I would run to the star and back four again this year. I'm not saying I'm making that bet again because I don't really want to, but uh, Richie Grant would maybe be that guy if he was there at forty four and the Cowboys picked him. But hey, I might might try and think that through. But uh, sticking the bet, well, we'll see. Let me let me get through everybody first

before I make the bed. One other thing with I didn't hear you guys taught or mention any edge rushers in a trade down scenario, And I think that's where maybe edge rusher becomes more of a possibility, you know, with a quidty pay or he's Audilarry my top pass rusher in this draft. You know, I think one of these pass rushers could be more of a realistic option if they'd end up trading back seven eight spots and

maybe get shut out in another position. I can do Audillarry, and that's about the only one because I would just I would look back at what you gave up at ten, and this edge class is just so weird to me where I'm with you in terms of who the top guy is and my second guy is Quitty pay, but I don't feel great about that. And then it's just

a whole bunch of dudes lumped together. Where if that's what I traded away from picking at number ten overall four and I'd end up picking j In Phillips or Carlos Basham, I'd be like, what happened when we could have picked Patrick's or tam guys? What happened when it could have picked for Sean Slader? Guys? Depends what you

get too. If you get an extra two and say it's a you know in early two and it ends up being another quality starter for you, then it it's an interesting discussion if you're talking about a pass rusher, a corner and a safety in your first two rounds or just a corner and a safety, you know, it just it makes it a really interesting scenario, you know, with the quantity over quality argument three versus two players, what would it take to get Let's say, if the

if the Cowboys were at ten Dane and they went from ten but they stayed in the top twenty, what would that kind of compensation, look like, what do you think, probably a two And it depends what people are trained up for. If it's for a quarterback, then that compensation is probably gonna be a little bit more because the radically there will be more than one team trying to get up there, and so maybe you can drive the

price up a little bit. But you know, likely if you're moving up, say say, well, I can't say Washington because I don't think the Cowboys are going to trade with Washington, but uh, you know, say it's a it's another team. Say say Pittsburgh trades up to eighteen and then they look to try to get up to ten.

When they you know, try to get a quarterback or something like that, you know, then you know you're probably talking about a two and a four or something like that, where you know you're not not gonna have to trade the farm. But with when a quarterback's involved, the compensation is always a little bit more. I like it. I like having that and having one of those guys I'm there with you, captain trade down. I think if they if there's a quarterback there and it seem wants to

come up and get them, let's do it. Let's just not drop too far. I don't want to drop into the twenties. I want to stay in the top twenty pick right around where we did last year. Of course, we had a CD lamb last year. Let's try and figure something out on the defensive side this time and have to second round pick, two third round picks, two fourth round picks, so on and so forth, because that's exactly what it would. Yeah, we got a man down. Yeah,

Oh gosh, oh he's back. Sorry. I got so excited about the idea of getting down into the team somewhere and drafting Jeremiah Wusu Cormoa and then removing a certain player from the roster and saving seven point two million dollars and then using that money to go sign somebody else that could help your team. And man, you could just you could upgrade a linebacker and that would be a lot of fun. Wait, you you would be You would be getting rid of a player and replacing him

with that same school in the same position. Is that what if you're talking about? Is that what we're at referencing here? I mean, oh no, all I'm saying is that I would go with with like a guy that's two legged bipedal and uh wow, and that celebrates celebrates usually when good things happen, not just all the time. Oh goodness, all right, let's go ahead and go to Let's go back to and this will be my last draft show. Thank you everybody. It's been a whole fun

ride with Captain trade down. Uh, can you get the crew This is a question from Christian. Can you get the crew to give their thoughts on Sean Wade from Ohio State. He was a disaster in the championship game. But would he project better as a safety? We were just talking about Morigg and Richie Grant at the safety spot with Sean Wade transition over better, Katie, I mean,

but just let's just go play inside. Let's do what we know you're good at like that, and that's that would probably be my goal, is like he would just be my my slot corner most of the time. And I know he's a little a little long for that six one of course, linked is fine there, right, Um, you know what I saw in twenty nineteen. You saw a good tackler and good in coverage and things like that. And when they moved outside for some reason, he struggled and just couldn't keep up with the fry Fogels of

the world. You know, uh, the Indiana wide receiver things I got to use in Daily Fantasy, that Trifogel guy. Yeah, dude, Like I just I think also, I do think you have a situation though when you talk about him. If you're going to be playing a lot of cover three, maybe you give him another shot, but you're not taking him in the top one hundred picks. Now, I don't think I think you're banking on I think you're I think you're banking on a miracle if you do that.

But let's say you get to day three, Sean Wade's there, you want to play a lot of cover three in the first place, you know, where he can kind of keep the ball in front of him. I think I don't think I'm like fully on board. It's just like abandoning the position based on fit. But that is a that became a very extremely difficult evaluation after really loving his twenty nineteen team, Dana just don't know what you do with him. I mean, he he he can't can't

play outside corner. I mean he showed that, um uh he And what gave me a lot of pause was just how the lack of urgency that he played with. Um, it's not just a technique thing. It's not just him not being fast enough. It's just a lack of urgency that he that he showed that that right there is a huge red flag to me that I'm not even gonna I'm not even I would have even mess with it. I would I wouldn't draft him. Um, he would not

be on my board. But that's just me. I mean, some team's gonna try and you know, uh, you know my guests would be early Day three draft and develop and see if you have something. But you know, he's it. Just it was not the twenty twenty season that uh he needed to uh for the NFL draft. Jeff, I, yeah, Dan Dane beat me to the punch because I didn't think Dane would have the stones to say I wouldn't put him on the board. But that's like my thought on a guy like Sean Wade is I'm gonna let

somebody else pick him. And that's like that's not my not me predicting he's gonna go undrafted. He'll probably get picked him the third or fourth, maybe even the fifth. But I think that's just one of those guys that if somebody were dumb enough to let me be a decision maker for an NFL team, I'd be like, guys, we're not messing with that one. Somebody else is gonna pick that guy, Like, what's your plan. He's a strong safety that we haven't seen play strong safety. That's our plan.

I just I don't know what your plan is with Sean Wade. It was what happened for him in twenty twenty was bad news bears because I wouldn't know what to do with him, and if you don't know what to do with them, don't put him on the board. That's interesting because he I mean, he was mocked after what was his twenty nineteen tape game was it first round bocked draft or second early second type of area and then now where is he gonna fall? Yeah, I mean I think his tape last year with more day

two tape. But I thought coming into the year, like

my first you know, draft board, I projected him. I think it was like in that twenty overall because I thought, okay, based off of what he did last year and based off improvements, I'm projecting him because I thought he'd be a natural at outside corner because he has good size, he's really good tather, he gets physical and you know, based off his twenty nineteen film, I thought it would be you know, his tools would actually translate better outside

and just absolutely wrong on that. And so um, you know, before the season, based off of projecting him forward, you thought, okay, this guy could maybe get into the first round, and just the twenty twenty season, now he was hurt a little bit. That's part of it, you know, playing a new position. But again, the lack of urgency, you know that right there is a turn off for me, you know it more so than just him struggling at the position.

So now it's just it's going to be interesting. And you know he should have went to the Senior Bowl, but he didn't. You know, part of that again, he had some injury stuff to clean up. There's no combine and so a lot's gonna be on his pro day. He needs to go out there and test extremely well to get back in the good graces of teams and say, you know, just to get them more optimistic about Okay, well, you know he's he's a good sized player. He runs

into low four fars. You know, the short area agility stuff. We'll take a chance on Natsy if we can develop him. So a lot of pressure on his pro day to perform. So kind of sticking with the defensive side of the football, Stingray on Twitter says, does the change at defensive coordinator make the urgency for drafting defense a bit lower than it was previously? And he says, in other words, can they get better performance from existing players? Jeff, what do

you think about that? One? H No, because I don't think you're like a lot of your existing players aren't existing players. You have a whole bunch of free agents and those players weren't good enough. You know, you go across this defense, and I'm very comfortable saying that Tank Lauren it is a good football player, Like Tank Lawrence is a very good starter on your defense. That's the end of my list of guys that I know are very good starters on my defense. It's at one. So

like you saw some Donovan Wilson flash. That's gonna get people excited. Randy Gregory can play, but at linebacker, you're like, I don't know, at defensive tackle, it's I don't know. A corner you have Anthony Brown and Treyvon Diggs. That's what you got, and you don't have a free safety under contract. Really, so no, this team was Look, Mike Nolan was a train wreck for this organization last year. The defensive coaching was a train wreck. It was embarrassing.

They should have never been hired. But at the same time, your talent on defense was also bad. And that's a product of some misses, some signings that didn't work out. It was everything. Your urgency to change your personnel and defense doesn't change at all. You have to add Golllee, three to six newts on defense. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. You have a lot to do, and that urgency does not change. Katy, I have nothing more

to say. I mean, Jeff, Jeff neld It, it'd be de scool, Jordan Lewis or Cheeto or Xavier Woods had a like strong eight game run you know that made you go wow. Well, now now that those guys were in contract years and didn't do enough to solidify a spot next year, uh, and didn't help their market any And that's that's frustrating. It's interesting, Dane, any thoughts or

to add on that. Well, I think the only thing I would add is we don't know how coach Quinn and you know, the new additions to that coaching staff, they already have preconceived notions about some of these players, UM and so coming in and you know, during draft meetings and as they're deciding what the roster's gonna look

like moving forward. Uh, you know, there's a fresh perspective from these defensive coaches and we just don't know how they're going to feel about some of these play I think it's gonna be interesting to see because there's we talked about it. Literally, the name of the Tuesday Draft Show was one hundred different Ways. There's one hundred different ways the Cowboys could go, and really nineties seven of

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Com Draft Show. It's a Thursday edition. Valentine's Day coming up next week and we won't have another show until then. Be sure to join us though Tuesday, ten am Central Time. It'll be Brian broad Us, Bucky Brooks, David Hellman and the other group crew of the Draft Show. We'll talk with those guys about maybe who their Valentines are. But Katie, we've got a bit of a segment here about ten minutes to do it, kind of explain how things are

gonna go and then get us underway. Well, I thought, with Valentine's Day coming up, we all have something that we we've called over the years, quote pet cats, But I think that's a little more shocking. I think now it's time to talk about our NFL Draft Valentines. Who are the players that we're kind of in love with? Now? This could be a fifth round guy, a guy who might we've projected to go on Day three. It could be the Trevor Lawrence. You know, it could do whatever.

But I thought we could just kind off there's some guys who you like, you might like more than others, or a guy that maybe you just in love with their tape. Let's just go around the horn and talk about them. So I'd like to start with you, Jeff, and I know you like one of those TCU safeties, but I'll let you just to go. Who's one of your draft Valentines? Our Darius Washington, the best safety at TCU, the best safety in this draft class. Mel Kiper didn't

put him in his top ten safeties. Dane disrespects him every time he puts out a list, or Darius Washington. If there were a combine, he would be the lightest safety in the history of the combine. He might be the shortest safety in the history of the combine. But you know, I'm just I'm tired of all you size shamers out there. Or Darius Washington safety one. When he gets picked in the fifth round, don't tell me that I was wrong about him. Just wait for his career

to play out. The great our Darius Washington, Well, it's because he's not a safety, But I digress. I mean unless you want him to play safety. I mean, if you want him to play the slot, he'll play the slot and he'll be better than your slot corner. If you wanted to play safety, he'll be better than Mary get it, wherever you wanted to play. It's whatever I'm going with. The true safety that's Richie Grant, who he mentioned earlier. This guy the last three years led the

team and tackles twice. He accounted for seventeen career turnover worthy plays, ten interceptions, seven forced fumbles. Place be production the tape. He can do receiver like things at the catchpoint. He'll run the alley, he'll go for the kill shot. He only gave up three touchdowns the last two years, so you know, there's some consistency issues that he needs to iron out. But NFL starting range, eyes, ballhawking skills, he could play single high, he could be a split safety.

I mean, this guy's gonna be a starter as a rookie, and so you know, it's we're still kind of figuring out how early he's going to go. But I'm crushing on him for sure. I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think he's probably one of the draft show darlings. I think of the whole the whole realm. Really, I think all of us kind of look at Richie Grant as one of those guys that could really be special. Now my draft crush has to do and it's kind of an obligatory, like,

let's not forget about this guy. It's one of those trade doown targets, and it's Christian Barmore from Alabama, the defensive lineman. He's gonna be you're starting three technique if the Cowboys take him. I think he's better than Neville Gallimore. I think he's better than Tristian Hill. He's better than any of those guys on the defensive line. And if you're talking about a guy who, yes he flashes on film, Yes his production was there when he was healthy at Alabama.

But another guy that I also really respect in terms of evaluating a specially defensive line talent, and that's Matt Rule, who's now with the Panthers. He was with Baylor for a little bit. You saw what he did with Baylor's defensive line in just three years of talent evaluation and building there. But he recruited Christian Barmore to Temple where he originally committed before turning over and going to Alabama and then showing out for Nick Sabans. So I like

Christian Barmore all of his tape. I like his background. I like the way that he could fit in as a three technique for the Cowboys in twenty twenty one.

So if the Cowboys trade down, let's say in the mid twenty or not even mid twenties, but right before the twentieth pick, get right back into that fifteen to nineteen range, then all of a sudden, if Christian Martmore is there, I think he needs to be in the discussion as a front seven defender that the Cowboys could take, you know, with the lack of like top end dts, like, maybe a team gets a little urgent. Maybe maybe he's

a top twelve guy. Maybe he ends up higher than that, just because I mean, it seems a little crazy, but it could happen. Let's have a little fun here, Dan, I'd love to get your thoughts on this guy too. And I don't know if Jeff you, I don't know. No, Kat found an undrafted guy, small school. Let's go to Let's go edge rusher Chris Rough the second from Duke, because look, he's light, he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, play defensive end, so maybe he's a three to four

outside linebacker. But speed is the trade, baby, Speed all day long, all over the field, making plays. He had eight sacks last year. And again he's long, he's got a lean build, but he is all over the field, chasing down plays from the backside, just making plays all over the place. Look, he's gonna have issues when an offensive lineman is able to get his hands on him

because he's two hundred and twenty five pounds. But also his attitude is Look, there's a three hundred pound offensive lineman I'm gonna be faster than him and I'm gonna get around him. So still needs to work on some some nuanced things at the past rush Rose, But Chris Rump the second from Duke is one of my favorite in terms of fun. It was just fun to watch his tape because that's speed off the edge. That might be the best speed off the edge in this class.

And maybe it's obvious because he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, but get a good look at Chris Rump the second from Duke. Everyone I believe his father's a coach for the Texans, although everyone gets what the Texans is like wanting out of town now. But Chris Rump, Yeah, yeah, his dad's been an assistant in the NFL for a long time. So and he's Chris Rum's a captain at Duke,

you know, high pedigree type of guy. Yeah. I just I don't know what you do with him because he just he gets dominated versus a run, I mean the point of attack. He's an Asian trouble But I agree with you. As a as a pass rusher, he the motors outstanding good forward bend. He has ranged at the position um because he is a little bit smaller. That makes it tough for an He moves so fast offensive linemen to get their hands on him. So it's a little bit of a pro and con there. So you know,

there are a lot of things like about him. I'm just not sure. Is he a sub package guy? Can he play off the ball or you know? It just there's a lot of questions. I think you have to be You have to find the answers for and be confident about before you draft a player like the Katie would Jeff Well, I would just really quickly before we go back to Jeff on this duke guy, Katie, when you said edge rusher out of Duke, I actually thought you were gonna go with Victor Demikaji. I think, is

how you say his name? Do meca gee? Uh? He's six foot two play guy? Well, I looked it up and I couldn't find it at the at the very moment. But I'll get to that point, I promise. But a Mikage out of duke, I think he's even better than what Rumf has to bring to the table in terms of a Duke edge rusher. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's a four three base end, he's I mean, you know what he is, you know what you're getting out of him, Dana. I just wanted to kind of get your comparison on

the two before we go back to Jeff real quick. Yeah, obviously different styles of player. D mc cage is strong at the point of attack. He's not gonna give you a great pass rush. He's inconsistent, as you know, set up, spends too much time attached to blocks. But he can get a field quickly, and he's got strong hands and he's gonna bring it on every down. So yeah, he is a draftable player, probably somewhere on day three. De mukage. That's what I found just now. De muge. I'm trying, Jeff.

All right, Jeff, what's your crush? All right, I'm gonna try to pronounce this name right, Payton Turner. That's Houston. Defensive line, Peyton Turner. Take him with your second round pick and prosper. He's six five, two seventies, got the longest arms on planet Earth, and offensive lineman just can't reach him. So whether you play him inside or outside, he has an absolute problem for offensive lineman. Peyton Turner defensive line, Houston, take him in the second We're good. Yeah,

I like that's he's really along. He's also one of the best effort rushers that I've scouted in this class, and so that competitive energy that he brings is awesome inside outside versatility. I'm gonna go with another guy that we mentioned earlier as he's Audillary. I think, you know, he's not being talked about enough as a legitimate top fifteen guy, and he should be. You know, he you know, he got frustrating watching him on film when they would drop him or at you know, not play him as

a pass rusher. And he's still let the sec in sack so explosive athlete, dippin rip, he can corner scheme versatility, this guy is still scratching the surface. So I'm a big Audilary fan. So my my first I guess draft crush was having to deal with a position of need and maybe reaching a little bit with that position of need. Now I'm reaching with a position that's not so much of a need. And Katie, I know you know this guy, Yes, sir, Yes, sir, it's Jalen Darden, North Texas. Baby, He's gonna go in

the third round. Not really, He's probably gonna go in like the fifth or the sixth. But if the Cowboys pick him in the fifth of the six I would want to do do cartwheels because he'll be your fourth wide receiver. He'll be a touchdown scoring machine just like he was in college. Doesn't matter if he was at a small school. If they score touchdowns in college, are gonna find a way to score touchdowns in the pros. That's what Jaalen Darden is to me, and I want

the Cowboys to select him. He is such a draft crush for me, and I'm trying to get the Cowboys on that bandwagon. Darden to Dallas. Baby, Let's figure it out. Katie High is tiny, but I love it. Five seven and a half. It means Jeff will like him. Yeah, he might be this year. Is Jakim Grant. We'll see, But our Darius Washington to lock him up. I don't know. That's the one line I want to see. I don't want to talk about this guy a lot because Jeff just tweeted about him today and I had him on

my list. I'm want to do someone else. But everyone go get a good look at Kelvin Joseph, the cornerback from Kentucky and there's especially in the play where he boxes out Davante Smith. But I want to go to running back because oh no again, just guys, I love, I love because the tape is fun. That mess my favorite running back Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis, and we know Memphis will churn out some runners. Kenneth Gainwell from from Memphis was so fun to watch. Only he set out

in twenty twenty. You I could watch his twenty nineteen tape. There's a play where they lining up at wide receiver and they throw a back shoulder to him and he just flips his hips makes the catch. I mean I think he said yeah. I mean he's he ended up natural doing it out of the backfield on a wheel route. Just hit him in stride Boom, never stops running, hits top speed. I mean, he's a dynamic playmaker. You know.

I don't know if he's your twenty to twenty five carrying game guy, But I don't know if that player exists in the league anymore. Except for zeke Um. You know, he's a guy who just like, hey get him on my team. I'm gonna get get him the ball fifteen times a game. Dating real quick. I was gonna see I I was gonna see if you if you had anything to add on Kat's guy. No, he summed it up perfectly. Why Gainwell is is awesome. It's the pass catching skills h and his ability to catch outside his

frame and without breaking stride and make things happen. Um, yeah, we know, like Katy said, Memphis has has those athletes. And I think pretty sure he was a quarterback in high school and so you know, a guy that's emerging. Um, he really only had one year of experience because he opted out of this past year, so there are still some things we're you know, learning about him. But if he has a nineteen film was a lot of fun.

I liked this, kat This was fun, kind of throwing out a bunch of names, getting to kind of go round table and find some guys that maybe we haven't necessarily had a chance to talk about yet, because we're gonna have these conversations all the way up until April about guys we like, guys we don't like. Maybe we need to find like an anti Valentine next week. Guys we just don't like that. Maybe our Greg Russeau right in the middle. Yeah, Hey, there you go, Gregory Rousseau,

Hey why Mary. Oh, We've got plenty more to come next week. Catch these guys Thursday, ten am Central Time, But until next time for Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin kat Turner for Dane Brugler and Chris Beam in the back up Kyle Yeoman's thanks for joining us here on the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.