Draft Show: Will It Come Down To Zeke vs. Ramsey?

from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Hey Brian, nice to have you back, Dave. Thanks Kent Garrison executive producing the show today. As always, Hello guys. We appreciate everybody being Outdore. Oh what was that all about, Kim. It's draft week. But it's a little audio loop that was awesome. It's it's special effects. I want my whole life to sound welling out all the stops for this year's draft. Yeah, well, just kind of keep it in check until we actually

get drafted. Brian doesn't appreciate that, Frilly, I don't. Yeah, I always appreciate your technical value, but in this case, just keep it straightforward. Let's keep it simple. All having a good day, just talk some draft uh uh my meeter for any kind of extra creec. It's not not very good right now. You're kind of on edge. I'm on edge because this is a very important time to h a lot of teams around the National Football League, a lot of personnel guys. You know, it's our livelihood.

So get a little upset about things that kind of don't go the way they're supposed to go. But anyway, today Ken, not today, Kim uh again, Um, we are the draft show. I want to get into what we're starting to hear now, and especially that Dallas Cowboys took the opportunity yesterday to have their meeting with the media. U usually these meetings with the media, you don't get very much out of it, and I felt like that

we did get a lot out of this yesterday. I agree they wanted us to think we got a lot. I think I think that Jerry Jones has a hard time lyne agree. Yeah, I really do. And I think that he know when he was talking about the first thing into you know, he's inclined to hang in there at four and make a pick. I believe him. I believe he's gonna stand. I think they've got two players, and you know, this draft to me for them is going to come down to two players to start the day.

And that's the beauty of with the Cowboys pick and with the trades that happened their draft for it all in his two names, that's right if that if one of that, their top player goes three, their second player goes four. And I think that's uh, maybe that's part of why I'm Dane's right. You can't one hundred percent trust anything that comes out of anybody's mouth right now, but anybody but these guys. But it just it was a more straightforward pressor than we're used to. And I

think that's because they're picking fourth. You know, they don't have to sit here and say, well, we hope this happens, but you never know how this is gonna play out. Some stuff could go crazy. They're they're picking forth and they know who the two first two picks are, so they're gonna they're gonna get what they want. One where I don't think this any secret. They're holding on Ramsey and they're holding on Elliott. That's certainly the impression that I got. I don't I don't get. I don't see

they had every chance. It kind of reminded me of a boyfriend, like your girlfriend says she loves you, and you're like, yeah, yeah, they had every opportunity to say some really glowing stuff about Joey Bosa, and they really more about Joey Bosa or more about just the other

guys that they That's what I got. I maybe so I feel like, specifically Steven there was a moment where he just had some very non committal it sounded thoughts or attitudes about you know, maybe not you know, obviously not Joey Bosa specifically, but but the pass rush and certain positions that are there at the top of the draft where if you're sitting there and you're able to read between the lines, you're like, well, okay, um, it certainly sounds like a two horse race for that pick.

That's the impression that I got. Agree, And I think listening to Jerry's talk about how a running back paying him all that money at the fourth overall pick, how that was different than paying to Marco Murray, like he went out of his way to kind of touch on that. Yeah, and he can't hide his love for Zeke. Yeah, and so how will that factor into the war room. Is Jayala Ramsey the clear cut top guy if he's there,

or will more voices become louder for Zeke? Even if I think the Forrest Buckner goes three, okay through the Chargers and in that scenario both Ramsey and Zeke will be on the board at four. Is Ramsey the Is he the clear cut number one? Or could there be

some intrigue about which way they go? Maybe the more explo as a player on offense who probably helps them win more games at least right away, right or a Ramsey that is a playmaker in the secondary that they need, especially you know, look towards next year, in the year after that. And that's you. You said something similar this morning when I got to work, which is you know, like a welcome back kind of a thing. Yeah, kind of like wells you kind of a thing, welcome back, idiot.

Ramsey and Elliott are both going to be there at for Mas, basically the gist of it um. And if that's the case, we know how I feel about Zeke, but I don't know that I could. I feel like Ramsey almost has to be the pick in that scenario, not just man and maybe not like you know, Dan just laid it out for you perfectly. Maybe not for what he brings in twenty sixteen, but he gives you a lot of stability in that secondary over the next

five years if he's your guy. No, whether it's as a cornerback or a safety or what or all of the above, I don't care. Yeah, and we've kind of talked about, you know, the running back him, and I'm not gonna be shy about this, Dane. You've been very adamant about not selecting or running back though at four. Well, no, honestly, I more the case that I don't think this team would me personally, Zeke is five on my board. He's a top five player, so I would consider him absolutely right.

I just my thinking all along as this team would not do it, considering all they've invested in the offensive line, in the fact that Darren McFadden you know, got well eleven hundred yards last year. You know, they signed Alfred Morris, I feel like this team would not draft a running

back that high. But special players are special players, and if when you're drafting at the fourth overall pick, you want to get one of the best players in this draft, and Zeke in my opinion, absolutely, I think we all agree it can be a special player, can you maybe?

And I mean Johnny Manziel's in legal trouble, so I feel odd bringing that up and trying to type parallels here, but it kind of reminds me of that Manziel Martin debate in terms of what they were going to take Chazer, Well, he was gone though, but no. But I'm saying the card was going in Chaizer, sure, and then all of a sudden it became now to make a call. It's not a clean parallel, but I'm sitting here. You know, Ramsey's He's not gonna sell as many jerseys as Elliott.

He's not going to help you win as much this year. Elliott could potentially be a special difference making player. I don't think there's as much potential for bust with Elliott as there was with Johnny Manziel. But it just kind of reminds me of if it really is between these two players. I think which way they go says a lot about what their hopes are. I think Ramsey's probably the better pick for the long term future of the franchise. Well,

that's probably not fair either. But I'm just thinking, if you're trying to accomplish things and win things with Romo in this two to three year window before he's gone, Elliot's your guy. If you're worried about the long term, you know, stability and production of your defense. Ramsey's probably the guy. So I think which one they would pick says a lot about how they're thinking about. Let's get into Jason Garrett. We have a clip Jason Garrett talking

about Jalen Ramsey. Ji. Can you all talk a little bit about Ramaty and just your evaluation of him with his position flexibility, whether you see four outside with him as a corner or a safety, just how you view him. He's a great football player. He's an impact player at the highest level. He's been a guy who's played both safety and corner. Seems to me he plays him equally well. He shows up on the tape, he leaps off the tape.

I've got a chance to get to know him, spent some time with him in Indianapolis, spent some time with him here at Valley Ranch, went down and worked him out at Florida State. Highly endorsed by everybody at Florida State. He's a great football player. There's no question about that. You can generate a ton of turnovers himself. As last year at Florida State, you all obviously had a big problem with that last year. Is that factor in at all as you evaluate for you know, bottom line is

he didn't have any interceptions or whatever the case. Well, the ball matters and you want guys to make plays on the ball. Sometimes when you play corner, teams have a tendency to throw the ball away from you if you're a really good player. Deon Sanders ran into that a lot throughout his career. They didn't go at him very much, and typically Dion made those guys pay when

they did go at him. And uh, you know so the number of times the defenses, excuse me, opposing offenses went at Jalen Ramsey is probably less than most corners. He's an impact player. He shows up for them as a cover guy. He covers in man to man, he covers in his own, he can rush h He's just one of those guys that jumps off the tape at you and positively impacts, you know what. They're trying to

get accomplished on defense and throughout their football team. So he's a very talented guy and a really good football player. There you have it. I mean, he's he's looked about as close to glowing as Jess and Garrett gets. But he was talking about it and the question was asked about the ball skills. A lot of people have that question mark about him and he their evaluation was they don't go at it. Yeah, he's one of these guys that people don't throw the football at. You'd probably be

and obviously there's gonna be exceptions. You'd probably be hard pressed to find, like a stud corner in college who's gonna have crazy pick numbers, because that's what college teams do. They avoid those guys. McKenzie Alexander zero sack or zero interceptions in his career at Clemson, same type of deal. And that's why, you know, this is my point when we talk about Bosa and having only five sacks, you got to look past those numbers because they don't They're

not indicative of the tape and the player. You know, just like zero interceptions for Ramsey this year does not tell the story of Ramsey, just like five sacks does not tell the story of Bosa. The box scores can get you out of loopy. I gotta trust the tape. And what kind of stood out for me was Coach Garrett saying that he's equally talented at both safety and corner. I think he's trying to once again ride defense and say we all feel like that he's a better safety

that he is a corner. They're not even willing to peg Byron Jones and safety yet, so I'm sure they don't want to pack a guy that they haven't even drafted at one position. So, but they're gonna start him at corner. Yeah, right, And so that that's to me, that's you know, there's they're trying to see. Am I crazy if I don't think that makes sense? Because honestly, all right, I mean, well crazy is not just going

to put him in safety. Well, I I like him better at safety from having watched his tape, But you just look at the makeup of this depth chart. I think there's a far better chance that he can be better than Bury Church or J. J. Wilcoxon. There's a chance that he's gonna be a sea that might happen a significant improvement over Brandon carror Mo Claiborn I'm I'm seating a starting spot the Scandrick. Is he really gonna

beat out car Clayborne? Who are you know, four year veterans in this league and not great, don't tweet at me, but capable. I think I think they're gonna I think they're gonna play I think they're gonna play him the same way they did Byron Jones. I think you're right, I think, and the fact that the fact that Scandrick will will probably be protected throughout Ota Mini camps into training camp does open up a spot, because yeah, I

don't expect him to do anything till August. We probably feel like that that Orlando Scandrick is going to be the starter at left corner. And what they're gonna do is, listen, we're gonna we're gonna let you rehab at your pace, and they're gonna throw that rookie in there and let him go. I just can't believe that it's a foregone and it's not. I know it's not, but it's crazy to think that it might be a foregone conclusion that'll

even be there. I mean, we've had we've been thinking he could wind up on the Chargers for four months now and the thought that's suddenly there. We didn't think the Tunsa was gonna be there and then and Buttner has not been a late rise to the Chargers. I mean, he's been winning in the last three weeks. It's been more of a talk about him. But there's no way in hell that you thought Tunsa was gonna be there. No, no, no, not before the trade. One of the quarterbacks was gonna go.

The second quarterback wasn't gonna go. That we didn't know until about two weeks ago, right, Yeah. So, I mean that's that's why this draft has changed. It's wonky man. And if you're drafting Ramsey, though, can you draft him without feeling great with him as a corner? I mean, can you draft him at that high when you don't

feel great about him as a corner? You feel great about him as up saying we don't feel great about him as a quorn because we in that room, Yeah, they you know, you think, do you think they feel great about him as a corner? I think they do great, not just good. I think they do feel great. I think they feel a lot better at corner. Didn't didn't we do? I agree there, I just I don't know. It's hard to be sold on him as a true corner, and maybe they are, and I think Jason Garrett touched

on that workout. I think that, yeah, seeing him in person, that athleticism at that size, the ball skills, I think that probably sold him. But just on the tape, it's hard to fall in love with him as strictly a corner. I agree with him as a player, as a defensive back, as a playmaker, but strictly as a corner, I find

it hard to love him. It reminds me a lot of Byron Jones, which I mean, maybe they do view him as like Richard Sherman or Patrick Peterson lockdown in one half of the field, true corner, But at the end of the day, I just think they have to feel amazing that he's going to bring athleticism and playmaking skills to a variety of different spots. I'm one hundred percent with you. I think he's a dime nickel rover type of guy like Byron was right, and then they'll

figure it out later. And I think that they're just confident that he can do what it is they need him to do, regardless of where where that future is one of the scouts around the league that I really really trust. And I'm not named any names, but my personal favorite of scouts sent me some information and I'm talking about Cowboys needs defensive end, quarterback, defensive tackle, corner, wide receiver, running back, tight end's order, defensive end, quarterback,

defensive tackle, and now cornerback. I said, back at number two, corner back at number four, with running back being number seven. How do how does that? How does that? You know? That's how another team looks at the Cowboys. Yeah, another team, another another team in this league. But now we're here, we are talking about potentially taking a cornerback and then taking a running back. I think when you're talking about when you're picking top ten, it's not about need, it's

about talent. It's about talent, and you gotta get your top talent on the You're right, these guys have done all the work for how many months, and they I think they've come up with two players at the top that are the most talented. Yea Ramsey and Zeke that fit not only this roster, but the culture fit what they want and a player. And so I think both fit and again the needs could both fit on this team absolutely are the biggest or either the biggest need

right now. No, Stephen Jones said that then to your dang, he said, the question was asked about need or best player at four, and he said, I think it's the best player. At the end of the day. You get a chance when you're picking this high to get a player who makes a difference for a long period of time. Yeah, obviously they're not looking at their needs with this fourth pick. I think talent on the roster. Yeah, and see that's what that's what we've tried to think with the with

the draft show. You know, we've tried to talk about taking the best available player. Don't take because don't take Joey Bosa because you have a needed defensive end. Even though even though another highly respected team in my mind, thinks that Cowboys need a defensive end at one, don't at some point, don't you think that that's some hot

air though? And I think it was it was Garrett who said yesterday in the press conference too, He's like, you know, sometimes or maybe it was Steven he said, sometimes need creeps in Garrett, if guys are close, you know, you're probably gonna go with the guy that you need. And I think the fact that they're they really don't even seem like bossas in play, I think says to me how they feel about his talent level. Because honestly, if it was close, I think you would have to

go at the end. And that's why at the end of the day, I think you need to go or should go with Ramsey because he is the bigger need long term, and you know, you can't judge a draft accurately until three or four years down the line, anyway, do you think do you think that the fact is they see Joey Bosa as a left defensive end only has something to do, And the fact that they've got they've got the Marcus Lawrence left defensive end, they don't want to move him. I don't know. Maybe that's how

they see him. To me, Marcus Lawrence is better on the right side anyways, in my opinion, Yeah, I think Bosa can play on either side anyway. I think I think that's some revisionist history anyway, because the narrative when they traded up to get to Marcus Lawrence was that he was the last guy who could play right end. Yeah, the last guy in the draft that they thought could really make an impact it right end. So to say he's a left end he can't move, now, that just

sounds like crap to me. Put on your draft room hats in there and tell me why that Joey Bosa is not in one of the top three the talked about here is one of the top three guys or top or the top two guys. Well, and I was about to say, maybe if the Cowboys are picking five, maybe he is in the conversation, you know, if we're talking about the top three guys. But right now we're only talking about two guys, because that's all that matters, right quarterbacks going one two, All that matters the top

two guys. And it seems like Randy, they're picking that Jacksonville. Maybe Bossa isn't that conversation. You know, maybe he is that next guy. You know, it's it's hard to know what their board looks like. You know, we're just kind of it's guests work here for us. But I think, you know, Bosa could be in that conversation if we are, if Cowboys are picking up five or six. I think the thing that holds Bosa's back is probably I mean,

he's a talented guy. Yeah, doing my best to try to defend him, because I think the overreaction against him has been out of control for a while now. But I think when you're talking about a guy at four, and that's a lot of people's argument is you want the TWI you want well not just special, but you want the upside too. I mean, the thing that made Randy Gregory so intriguing is like, well, it's a risk, but he could turn into the DeMarcus ware type freak.

And I have yet to find anybody who really thinks that Joey Bosa has that type of upside. There's a lot of people that think he's a great player, could be productive eddy for a long time. Sure, I've yet to hear somebody who really thinks he's gonna blossom into this monster and that is what you want when you're talking about fourth overall, And I think that's probably I don't think that's too good opinion right there. Okay, we're

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got today? Shout out ed K Hill. We sort of talk touched on this before we went to break, but Michael says specifically for Danny says, I want to hear Dane fight for Bosa at four. Is he willing to do that? Yeah? I mean I think he's in that conversation. Again, you look at my top players in this draft, and again it's generic. You know, it's not Cowboys specific for my board. But if I'm looking at Cowboys specific board,

Bosa would be in my top three players. Another NFL team, again, did I trust when it has a very successful record in this league sent me said Dallas's need defensive end. That's how they view the Cowboys. So you could fight for Bosa here, right. And you know when Helman mentioned it about how he doesn't have that huge upside, well, I don't want to chase upside. Give me a player

that I know what i'm getting. And with Bosa at only twenty years old, the way he can use his hands, that technique, that leverage, and we talk about people tell me that he's not a great athlete. He tested as a better athlete than Noah Spence did, right, So it don't tell him he's not a good athlete. So I understand. I absolutely agree that he doesn't have that high upside in terms of you know, growing into this JJ Watt type of player that's not who he is. Who he

is right now. You know he's going to get better, but he's not doesn't have this huge ceiling. I think he can be an eight to ten sack a year guy and be a player that helps take, you know, some attention off your other players on your defensive line, helps your secondary as well. So there are some teams picking in the six to eight range that are going to be very, very happy if Bosa falls past top five. Bosa has been a favorite to go here for three months.

If he doesn't where, I mean, where do you? I keep seeing him to Baltimore and I just I don't see him as a three to four player that Baltimore's need more of a a four three team this year. Actually, they're transitioning and it's going to be interesting because you look at Jacksonville at five, right they they drafted uh Dante Valer last year. Yeah, he's coming off a cl injury. You don't know where he's going to be. I think

Joey Bose will be awfully enticing to them. Baltimore definitely possibility, But if Tounsil is still available, I think tounsil makes more sense for Baltimore the Browns and number eight. I think they could end up getting a steal at Bosa there, and then I think absolute floor for Bosa will follow the nine at Tampa Bay. Yeah, and then again this Dave not to make you feel bad, but I'm gonna make you feel good here. This team feels like though

that they could. Baltimore could use an outside lineback. I've seen him pick there a lot. They and they've lost up shot a free agency Sugs Dumerville are both signed through twenty seventeen, but both are on the bold, both on the decline, need to get younger there. So you know, Bosa Spence was a guy that was mentioned there. If you just care at Baltimore's needs outside linebacker, cornerback and inside linebacker there. So yeah, I mean that that could

be a possibility, but they might. Deem Peas is their defensive coordinator, likes to do a lot of different things with his with his scheme. Pistol. Pete's given me a shout out to the Senior Bowl. He says we haven't talked enough about Kevin Hogan and he wants you guys to break him down. Kind of what you think about him, He says he sees a lot of Tony Romo in him. I don't necessarily see Tony, but I see a guy with great intangibles. Uh he's a great leader, a great person.

I think that'll be offel appealing to a lot of teams in this league. I think is enough arm strength. He's built well for the NFL. My biggest issue is the delivery. It's not pretty, and then his accuracy. What he does it the way I could I compare it. I think it's like he's throwing darts. He like aims it and like pushes the ball. You know he doesn't. It's not a just a clean motion in his delivery. He looks to aim the ball. It's almost like he's

throwing darts. And I think that affects His accuracy is not only uh, you know, downfield, but even on some short and intermediate passes as well. So Hogan to me somewhere in the middle sounds I think he can be a number two in this league for a long He's a sprayer. Yeah, the ball goes all over the place, Danes right though, when you watch him throw it down

the field, you swear he's throwing the javelin. Yeah, it looked like he's at the PAC ten, the Pac twelve Championship at Berkeley and he's trying to throw the javelin to get his team some points. Yeah, but I totally agree with I mean, I think that there's things I don't see a guy with great arm talent myself now. And you know, I think that if the guy wants to compare him to Romo, maybe Tony's arm talent is gotten far since the back and stuff like that has

gotten far worse. But yeah, with Hogan, to me again, I see the guy that sprays it, and the harder he throws the ball, the harder it is for him to control it. Sure, and that's that's a big issue. And you know there's things he does underneath the touch and stuff for screens. I think he's extremely smart. And I'm not saying that just because he goes to Stanford, because there are things you watch him. He will protect the football, his team know he knows how to get

his team in and out a good situation. They're a physical team. He's got a physical mentality about himself. He's a tough guy. But the thing about it is when you spray the ball, You're gonna have some problems. This guy's name is Zeke at four, so he wants to know about late round defensive ends. We've talked about plenty, but basically the gist of his question is how far down can you go in this draft and draft a defensive end who can play as a rotational guy as

a rookie. We play a role as a rookie. Yeah. I actually I like kind of the defensive ends in the in the early day three range. You know, I think we're talking about the Matt ju Dons, the James Cowser, the Tyron Holmes, Jason Fanika's daddy Nicholas. I mean, I know you don't so much, but the I just was named guy of a point in the draft, you know, fourth, fifth round. I mean that's the type of guy you

take a chance on, guy that can try and see right. Yeah, I think he's gonna go probably third, but yeah, I think at different points, third, fourth, fifth round, right, there there will be options. I mean, Ronald Blair to me,

we both like him a lot. I think of third round, third round for about him, second round, right, but if he's still there in the fourth, yeah, up, see The thing about it is Dallas has got an early pick at one oh one, and okay, and I don't know if one of your questions is about Dallas getting back up in there and drafting somebody's alf says, so damn smart all the time. Well, I'm running out of days

here to be smart. But yeah, but but if you that pick at one oh one starts the fourth day or the fourth day, the third day of the draft, it's in the fourth round, it's up there early Browns. Browns I think got the first two pick, and then and then Dallas is on the clock. That is gonna be a premium pick, because what's gonna happen. There's gonna be some third round guys. Maybe Ronald Alston does slide

through the draft. Maybe somebody doesn't like Apps State and they don't like him beating up on Clemson and North Carolina State and they let him there. That could be a pick where I think if Dallas does not get a guy, say say they don't they they're not gonna draft Bosa, Well they don't take one at thirty four or at sixty seven. One on one, one thirty five

could be two in that fourth round. They could get two defensive ends in that because he just named you a bunch of them, Okay, and it players perfectly into it. We've talked a lot about trading back into the first. Yeah, potentially for a quarterback. Here we go. Wayne wants to know what can sixty seven and one on one, dude, to get you back into the second? Is that even doable?

Is that impossible? Yeah? And I was thinking more like, try to get I'm trying to get to We've talked about really the Jets was it was it was it two and a four kind of a thing. Yeah, I'm trying to get you back in. I'm looking at teams that would trade with you because I think I think I think Houston and Minnesota, Cincinnati stewers, they're gonna hang in there and make their picks. That's where all those wide receivers they're not coming. They're not coming out of there, right,

They're just not coming out of there. They got wide receivers on the brain. Kansas City at twenty eight to a team you need to keep an eye on and if you're willing now now, I just I just told you the virtues of one on one and how portant of a pick that might be what you have to do.

That if you hit him with one on one and you say this is this is what we're gonna do to you, that could get you to their spot from thirty four to twenty eight though that's well that's one on one and thirty four just they get to keep sixty seven though, you get to keep sixty seven. Okay, so they're coming back. You're gonna give him one on one, which we think is a premium pick because well, you know, way you all of a sudden you want to get

back in. You want to get that quarterback, you want to get that guy or whoever you want to get to get that fifth year that might be in the spot. Kansas John Dorsey Andy Reid a little bit more comfortable about moving back, and Dorsey being a former Scout, Scout's love picks. I tell you that all the time. One on one. He might look at that and say, you know, because Dana and I did a radio show the other day and Dana and I did a trade and I wanted I wanted your pick. It was I forgot who

we were were doing, but I it was the Jets. Yeah, the Jets. I was the Jets. And you were the Cowboys and I wanted your one on one. I wanted that pick, and we ended up switching in the fourth. Yeah, and we fly. Yeah exactly. But let me ask you this, when Day one is over, do you think that Cowboys will still have both of their Day two picks? I think so. I'll go at the odds and I think I'm gonna say that Jerry Joe. I think they're gonna want a quarterback, and they're gonna want the fifth year.

I'm seeing somebody at the bottom of the board. They're gonna try and get ahead of that. That Denver I think. I think. I think that the team's at the bottom of that board. I think green baked Teddy Thompson will dive out of there in a heartbeat. You know he'll Teddy will back up. The better question is which quarterback? Well, Okay, they brought in seven. I think that three of them potentially could be gone, depending on what you like. I like Lynch a lot more than other people in this world.

So if he's gone, then you're looking at the Okay, let's talk about the guys they brought in. Connor Cook, Connor Cook, Hackenburg. I think those are the two names you have to look at, and that fifth year option will be valuable. I mean, it's always valued what happen to Denver with it? But with here, oh yeah, exactly, and especially here with Romo, who knows how much longer

he has. I am torn between how much I like the idea of getting the option on that kid verse how much I don't like any of the possibilities that will be there. I think that's the bigger, bigger question, is is it worth it? Wait a minute, we just done it? Did a tweet? Asked answer to tweet that one on one might be our defensive end, Dan was, Tony,

you might get Blair. You might steal one there. I know, I'm I think I'd rather have Blair at one on one than a fifth year Christian Hackenburg at thirty one or cook. You don't want to cook. But if you can get him at thirty four, is it worth having that fifth year option or is it worth having a Ronald? But that's that's a reach, And I get it's a reach out of necessity and it's you know, it makes sense,

but it's still a reach in my opinion. If he's their fourth quarterback on their boards, their reach they have a first round grade on they won't think it's a reach. Then team that does it never does. I think you just don't like Connor. Don't either one of them. I think they're bad. I don't think they're good. Okay, if you can't complete sixty percent in college, you're probably not. We all have our opinions on the guy. Again, they're

the one state we're just doing that draft. They're gonna, yeah, they're gonna sit down and be high five in and shake it. Jerry got it. We got our guy, And I'm gonna say, I think you made a mistake. I think both of those guys, both Cook and Hackerberg, neither one completed over fifty any of their scenes. I think that agree with that. I mean, forget all everything else that stat alone. So they trade back in and it's Cook, You're going on the slam bus right, absolutely, I will

go hard on that. I sitting right there. I think Cook can be a starter in this league. I just think he's a low end starter. I don't think he's gonna make anyone around him better. I don't think he's a guy that's going to elevate the team. I think he can start that's it. Would you rather have Connor Cook and the fifth year and lose a pick? Or would you rather have Dak Prescott at sixty seven and Ronald Blair at one on one? See now he's not

really high on Dak Prescott. Insert quarterback of your choice. It doesn't matter. I think you have Cook over flip Scott? Am I right, yeah, I flip flop him? Game all right? If I you can have Ronald Blair and a quarterback Ronald Blair and Jacoby Brissette. Ronald Blair and Dak Prescott here too. By the way, I want whatever is the one that gives me more players, more picks. I don't have to get rid of stuff for bad quarterbacks. What defensive end would you not want at one on one?

Would I not want them to draft? Yeah? Uh KAFUSI Uh? Who else? I wouldn't want Nicholas all two hundred and thirty five pounds of them? Okay, um, yeah, that's too that's too light. We have a two hundred and thirty five pound end. I don't talk about these quarterbacks. I'd take him there, Holmes. I've got a fourth fifth on him, so I'd consider him there. Okay, all right. I mean I think that's that's talk about sweet spot. I mean,

that's that's valuable pick, valuable property. So I could just see them, I could see them diving back into it makes it makes a lot of sense. I just don't like the options that are there for Like, if they did that, it won't happen. But if Paxton Lynch was to fall that far, Yeah, and they were to do that, I would I would stand up and I would applaud and I'd say, yeah, you paid a price, but you

did what you had to do. Wild Card. I mean, would would we really be surprised if he's on the board, say at twenty seven, I would be pretty surprised, Yeah, just because I know how this happens. Quarterbacks Christian Hackenberg going in the first round, Teddy Bridgewater fell to what Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying, but I would be pretty stunned. I mean, Daniel Jeremiah mocked the guy

to the Saints. Okay, would you be surprised if Lynch was on the board and Cook was on the board they took Cook, if they took Connor Cook over Packs and Less, I'd be kind of surprised. Yeah, Yeah, I would be surprised. Some teams probably think that way. I mean, I'm NFL ready. I think cooks them was NFL ready quarterback in this class? All right, NFL ready, most NFL already quarterback in his class that has a bad completion

percentage by college standards. Yeah, I'm not saying anything about how good he is, but I think in terms of being it right already, if you're not goodwin starter packs, well yeah, he could be a lowin starter in this league. But again, I know he can be Matt Castle something like that, right, awesoctly awesome. I think that's what you're getting with the player like that. I thought I think he's a you know, Ryan Tannehill without the athleticis Do we have time for one more quick? Like we kind

of went off there, Let's let's do this. We gotta let's take a break. We'll come back and and and and if it's you have a really good one, I'm interested in to see what y'all are gonna say. Okay, we'll have another discussion. We'll take one more question, but we're gonna take a break first and then we'll come back. You're listening to the Draft show from this to BBC

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it was a good question from Martin. We've talked a lot before about you know, nobody expected Laramie Tounsel to fall this far and does that and pushed for trades, particularly with the Cowboys. What about Jalen Ramsey. For three months we've been talking about how he might be the best player in the draft, best defender in the draft if he's sitting there at four. Because the Chargers pass on him. Is there's somebody there that just feels like that's a move that they need to make. I'm off

the he actually he specifically mentioned the Ravens. I know that they need defensive backs, but I'm not sure I buy that that's something Ozzie Knewsom would do. What I could? I give you a little Ozzie knew Some history. Yeah, absolutely, how about this, I'll give you a little awesome. And we're trying to trade up, right if we're all anybody really in striking distance? Right, Ozzie knew Some's history is he's spend the Germans since nineteen ninety six. He is

traded up. He's traded up eighteen times as he's traded down fourteen times. A couple of history, first round trade up, right, He's made thirty two trades in his career, is what he's done. And he's going up for he's going up. He's going up. Excuse me, going down four teen times and going up eighteen times. So the team that I the Chargers, I been talking about the Ravens about that.

The Charger, the number three have been trying to sell that pick, and I think they feel good about Buckner, and they feel good about a lot of these guys, and what they're trying to do is get Jacksonville at five, to jump over Dallas to number three to get Jalen Ramsey. Right. I think Jacksonville is in a spot where, you know, they invested a lot in Fowler, so you know BOTHA. I think he's possibility, but maybe they don't want to go in that direction. Miles Jack they love, but can

you take a chance on him with a knee. So Jacksonville is in a tough situation. Jalen Ramsey could be that playmaker in the secondary that they want. Chargers are trying to entice them to trade up to number three and get him. It's possible. I'm sitting here thinking, oh, can I just say real quick, yeah, Jacksonville team needs d They lost, they lost Branch and Clemens. They value pass rushers and made it clear they want to add another edge play. They did the ledge player, went after

Olivia Vernon to take the pressure off Fowler. Okay, then they're talking about Corner. They got a Mukama, he's under a one year contract. You need a player for the future. Yeah, uh, you know, Colvin got suspended four games. So they're talking about Ramsey or Apple Jacksonville's need d E DC cornerback and linebacker. I just wonder if we've seen him mocked

to a cornerback so much, um Tampa Bay. Maybe if that were to happen, if, I mean, they'd have to see him as a corner probably, But people love Jason Light. Trading up it back, man, we think about possible, we try. We're talking about trading up to four, trading up to three. I'm talking. I'm talking about trading up to four. If Ramsey falls to the Cowboys, if if the if the Chargers really do you want Zeke? But to see I worry about going back. I'm not doing it with any

goal in mind. It's it's not for Zeke. I'm just doing it because the Cowboys aren't in love with this spot and somebody that loves Ramsey makes a run at it. I don't think it's out of the question. Jason Light has been a general general manager for I think you'd really have to knock Jerry's socks off. I mean, he said yesterday that it's more likely than not they're gonna stand in and make the pick. Two years ago, Buffalo gave up a first round or next year exactly, I

mean a fourth round. And that was only for a short jump. I mean what it was probably nine to four. Yeah, and so that's bucks to Dallas if you don't If they made me that deal and I could get like Shack Lawson at nine, the thing is is we won't know. I know. So if you're sitting there at four, you're the Tampa Bay. They want Ramsey. They're offering next year's one plus a fourth rounder. This year. You're making that deal. I think so because Tampa. You feel like Tampa might

be trash. Huh. I don't think they're gonna Actually, I think this is gonna be I think saying, I mean, you'd make the deal thinking that make well, okay, I said they called him trash, but I mean there maybe that might be a top winnable. It might be a top ten pick. I think maybe. I think Tampa is a playoff sleeper honestly, okay, but regardless, um, you just you get it. So you have, Yeah, you have two first round picks. Next year, you're not moving so far.

You're gonna get somebody good, like I mean, Shack Lawson's a guy would be interested in there. It's not out of the question. I think z could be there at nine. Yeah, I think i'd pull that trigger. I'd worry about the Dolphins jumping up in there. Yeah, I think the Dolphins are really hot. And I mean we answered that in the mail bag this morning. At this point, knowing everything that we know, if Zeke is your guy, I would just pick him at at four. Stop being cute, but

I wouldn't surprise me. Gonna take a couple of calls here, can't What do you got? You have Tony and Phoenix from Dallas, but lives in Phoenix. Tony year up. Thank you, Hi guys, all you doing well. I'm sorry told me not to ask you that. Sorry. Um. I think this is one of the easiest first round picks that I think Dallas has ever had. If you go back in the Cowboy time machine, this is very similar to eighty nine when we had Aikman, then the line was starting

to get better. We got Himmett, then you got to a good Year, and then you went to the Super Bowl. So I can't see any reason not to take Ezekiel because you'll have your triplets and it's very similar to when we were real good. Okay, thank you very much for the call. Tony. Appreciate that nobody has a problem with taking Eliot right. I have yet to hear one person. Yeah,

I mean Dallas is lining up there. Somebody they realized, they've realized they've thrown Bossa into the trash area, and now it's like, now they're trying to grab Ramsey and

throw him into the trash. I think it's I think they're still a pretty even so fun I think there's a lot of people that like the idea of Ramsey and Byron being super athletic freaks in that secondary for the next kid put me up a pole if you can later on about I want to know how they're if people are throwing Ramsey out, Elliott is the sexy pick. But there's a lot of people out there that think Ramsey would feeling. We're gonna hear a lot about how

Ramsey has zero interceptions. Now all of a sudden, Oh, they're out there too for zero sacks. There interceptions. Here we go, h I'm gonna take one more calls, Yeah, take one more. Take some calls here, go ahead, can't Philip in Pennsylvania? You're up, phil Hi guys. Uh. I wanted to ask about Christian Hackenberg because I remember Dave was saying that he had a fifteen percent completion percentage

or whatever. Yeah, and I think that, um, although he did have like a back end completion percentage, he had an awful surrounding group behind him at Penn State. Okay, So I think that with the offensive lines the Cowboys have and if they drift Ezekiel, maybe possibly he could be possibly their future at quarterbacks. I just wanted to see you his comments about that and if he could be their pick at thirty four or possibly if you

would stick around to the third bound possibly. Okay, thank you, Philip. You know who else didn't have a great supporting cast? Jared Goff? Yeah that competing well, Wallers are pretty good. They've got a couple of guys. Yeah. But in terms of offensive line, absolutely, And that's the thing with Hackenburg is yes, absolutely, the play calling was abysmal. The coaching didn't help him. Um. The fact that he lost Allen Robinson after thirteen obviously didn't help. Yeah. So he didn't

have the best weapons around him. But you want film and so many of his issues are on him, you know, not his supporting cast, you know, holding the ball to Yeah, the terrible decision making. The game just moves so fast for him, and will it slow down? Will he benefit from NFL coaching? I think so yeah, But how much well, you know, how much better can he get with some NFL coaching? I just use this term before, But I'm worried that he's already damaged goods and that worries me,

especially if we're talking second third round. And I will to be fair to Christian and Connor Cook too for that matter both. I mean, the idea is that both of these guys are gonna sit anyway. So I don't hate the thought of taking Hackenburg at thirty four or sixty seven. I don't hate the idea of taking Cook. I hate the idea of getting rid of other picks to trade up and get them. I think that's an overpay.

But when you factor in that, you're not if they were there at the spot you're pick, and you're good with that. If you factor in that they're not supposed to play for two to three years, then yes, I'm fine with them going at either of those. Hackenburg's the number sixty seven pick. Are you okay with that? I would be elated with that because I think the nature of the position is going to get him bumped up.

I mean, I think it's far more likely Hackenburg goes between thirty and thirty four than anywhere near sixty seven. Kay kn't, but that would be great. Pull is up with thirty votes at sixty forty and fair of Elliott right now on the draft show, I mean surprising to me. Let's let that thing. Let's yeah, let's that thing. Can't thank you for doing that again. We're calls there, Kent. I'll get some lined up, Okay, Dave, hit me on some uh actually got some time, give me some. Tell

me more. I got some user tell me mores and you actually brought him up. So tell me more about Kenny Lawler. You know what. I like Kenny Lawler. I know I'll stay quiet because this is your guy. No, No, I like Kenny. I'll tell you what about Kenny Lawler. There will be times where you go is under pressure and he'll make some like terrible throws. And this guy the catch radius. I think it's very good. Some of the best catches, you know. Yeah, I mean he will

make some circus catches. Now, he will also drop some concentration balls too. You know he's not an explosive player, but I do. I'd tell you what. I've watched that guy play out at San Diego, Keenan Allen and not run very fast and everybody's killing him, but he makes a hundred catches. That that's what I see you in this guy. I was I didn't have Keenan Allen high enough. I think coming from the same program, this guy's got that ability. Give me a guy that will get open,

catch the football, be consistent about it. Again, there are some concentration plays, but he does make some outstanding bad ball catches. What about Maryland defensive tackle Quentin Jefferson. I think you had him at a defensive end, didn't you. I did, Yeah, I did. A player that he's more a basketball player. You can tell when you watch him because he has that athleticism. The rest of hes a catch up in terms of, you know, transitioning that athleticism

to actual football production. But a player who he already has a couple of kids. I mean, he's kind of centered in as you know, a mature guy. So I think you have a good feeling for what you're getting as a rotational player. I don't see him being a starter, but I think he be a guy you can added a rotation, be as solid three technique. Yeah, I think that great. I'm just I gave him a fifth or six.

I think. Yeah, I think I had him. I had him further down than that, looking at my board, but yeah, I had him as one of I had him initially looked at as a defensive tackle. Just looking at me, I thought he was a tall player. Initials, some initial quickness, chase down, arm over, best pastor's move, you know, backdoors, some plays. I wasn't too terribly fired up about him. Yeah, he say. My last line was up and down the way he plays, So maybe not as consistent as you

know you'd like. If you're listening to the draft show all this time, you should have. You've definitely heard this name by now, But he kind of disappeared. Now all of a sudden, I'm seeing jehad Ward as a you know, he's getting pushed as like a potential first round sleeper, maybe top forty guy. So tell me. I mean, I know we talked about him at the Senior Bowl. I think the reviews were generally favorable. Yeah, but I was before he got hurt, he was he did a nice job.

I was not under the impression he was that type of talent though. I honestly thought after the Combine we were gonna be start talking about him as a first round player. I thought he would blow up the Combine. But he did and he was kind of average mediocre. But he still moves really well for a three hundred plus pounder. And this is a player who his background is really fascinating, coming from you know, the juco level in Brooklyn and coming to Illinois where he was productive.

He did a lot of things, play defensive end for them, but he's three hundred plus pounders. Maybe best fit his inside, but you can move him all over. I think he has that versatility. Again, another player where the athleticism and the traits are really intriguing. They just they don't translate the football production just yet. And so if a coach can, a coaching staff can get hit their hands on him and mold that athleticism and get that into football production,

he could be a pretty good player. Yeah, I think Dange right. I think there's some things you could see potentially him playing inside, you know, that might be his best thing. But if he had to play outside. I think he's a left defensive end only because I don't see a guy that always was able to capture the edge. You know, I'm worried about you're gonna play on the edge. Give me the guy that can get the edge, you know,

give me those types of guys. I think if, like I say, he might be better inside because he could play with a little bit more quickness beat some guards. But on the outside, he's gonna be a struggle for him on that Where do you where you got him? I have him the fourth round, see, And that's that's kind of what I was. I sit next to you every day, so maybe I should get outside sources. I but but I'm seeing him as like a top forty guy. Yeah, I surprise at all because of people fall level. How

he looks. Yeah yeah, I mean I remember him walking on I was walking him and he got such a backhanded compliment no no, but he but I was walking behind him and I think you and I were going up to the press box and he was coming off the field injured, and I'm like, going, holy smokes, who's this guy? You go? It's the word kid, And I'm like, god, dang, I mean he's physically he looked two hundred ninety six pounds.

I mean he can see a lot of untapped potential with Yeah, and so I would not shock me at all if we see him go early second round. Okay he I mean he could be that next Malik Jackson for the song, because like then, that's the type of pick you make when you win the super Bowl. It's like, yeah, Okay, we're gonna take We're finish up the show. We got about four minutes. We're gonna take some calls. Ken, who else you got? We got stand in DC, go ahead,

stand Hey, good question, guys. I'm I'm definitely on board with Jalen Ramsey. But if we do design to go with Zeke and being that Tony and Jason are coming towards the end of their career, shouldn't we be all in and maybe that number one next year trying to get back into this first round they get, maybe say the dB from Houston William. Yeah, so you want to go, You're gonna go all the way back up. It's what you're gonna try and do. How far are you trying to? Yeah,

how far are you trying to get in there? I'm thinking he's gonna be on the later end, So I'm something is somewhere between maybe twenty to thirty. Because if we pass on Rams and we go with Zeke, we still need to get that dB. Yeah, okay, well, thank you very much for the call. Stan give him some cornerback names. If he doesn't, he doesn't have to go diving up in there for that. I think Jackson's probably

out of reach. Yeah, that point where that where you're talking about, you know, if you want to give up next year's one, if they're gonna give up picks, I think it's gonna be for the quarterbacks. But but give him some names. Yeah, we need to give him some names of guys that we kind of like, because we've talked about the Howards, the Fullers, Kendall Fuller already Burns, Yeah,

Will Redman, will Ryan Smith Smith. Yeah. I think there's enough corner talent where you don't have to give up next year's one, Right, even if next year's one ends up being in the twenties, you don't want to give that up. William Jackson's a nice player, but to me, he's not a guy that's going to be a PREMI pro ball. Talking to some scouts around the league, there's some questions about the mental ability of William jacks Gotta let him press, Yeah, I mean he's a if they

plays off, people are like, go at him. He plays off, go at him. That's why he's probably had a lot of balls knocked down in his day. People are trying to attack him that way. Considering how often this team plays. I've heard from a couple of different teams that like, everybody loves this William Jackson. Check the mental makeup of William Jackson. A right, can't What do you got? Chris and Colleen Texas? Chris, how you doing? Brian good? Awesome? Awesome.

My question is that do you think the quarterbacks that we have on our roster currently, um, do you think it could possibly developed to be the actual quarterback that we do? And that's my thanks, Chris. Quarterbacks Kellen Moore Kellen Moore Showers Showers, No, right, he's not gonna did a lot of nice work on the scout team at safety last year and punt team and all that good stuff. I don't know how you could look at Kellen Moore

Showers and think he's going to be the future. I mean, it's just that they're not top thirty two quarterbacks in this league. They're not. You know, I worry about either of one of them as my backup, to be honest, that's probably why they're talking about drafting one here, why they brought in seven quarterbacks exactly. I bet you they're still intrigued by Kellen Moore. And I mean, you know, far be it from me to rule out his future,

but they're not. They're not comfortable leaving it alone, obviously, And if they bring a Christian Hackenberg in a third, then yeah, they should keep Kellen Moore, and you know he could be the if sometimes a Tony and the Bridge exactly, can't We got time for one more call? Yeah, Anthony, you got the last word. Hey, great guys, great job, quick quick quick comment or you've heard it before. We gotta get Zeke because you got to reproduce what the

Cowboys did in the nineties. You gotta get that start running back. You got you gotta copy it. You've gotta look at history. I think um Gary's trying to do that. You got the offensive line. We got to use that offensive line not just to protect Romo but to open you know, get these get that running back so we can win games points win games. Thank guys, all right, thanks for need to be able to run the football. I'm just gonna play Devil's advocate for a second. I

love Zeke. I would love that pick. I've been on board with that pick for months now. The guy that they had all that success with two years ago was a third round pick seventy one. If I recall, so CG. Process gotta gotta get Zeke is an overreaction to me. I still as much as I would of it, and I think it would make a difference. I know, right. I mean, that's what's gonna happen. When I go back to my Twitter account, educate, give him some running backs

at thirty four. If we don't go quarterback, you don't go defensives in give me some running back. Talked about a third round running back? What about CJ. Process at sixty seven? Sure, a player that is still coming into his zone. You like Henry. You see a lot of DeMarco Murray with with CJA Process. I think I like Henry, but not at thirty four. I mean, I think you can still get a very good player at thirty four. Get your running back at sixty seven, Dixon, I don't

like him at thirty four. I know you do. But Booker, how about you give me my boy Kelvin Taylor at one on one. Add him to what you already have here with McFadden. Maybe not a complete guy. You don't need him to be a complete guy. If you're taking them at one on one. Kelvin Taylor might be available in the sixth. Fine, what that dude? That's my dude. All right, Yeah, bring him on. That's my dude. I

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