Draft Show: What About The Back End?

March thirty first, twenty twenty two. It's time for another episode of the Draft Show. Make sure you pay your rent. Pay your rent's thirty first thirty first. Make sure you are ready for the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. It will be Draft month in what twelve hours? Fourteen hours? David Hellman back in the studio. I am back from the NFL owners meetings. It's good to be here. Kyle Yeoman still out, but I am joined by my dear friends, Brian brought us and Jeff Kavanaugh. Guys, how are we doing?

Doing great? Did you feel like you were told to truth when you're asking? Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones questions about the draft. I feel like I was told the truth in the sense that they that that is where all of their focus is right now. I don't know how much I trust the did you like particular positions they were talking about. I went, you know, I'm I'm dedicated. I know. I went back and listened to the show that y'all did without me, and that's the line Jerry

had about tackle. I just was like, I don't know if I believe you, at least not like in the sense that it's like your number one priority. I just don't. I don't know. I'd love to find a tackle. Of course, they was a weird time to figure out the when and where of it. Yeah, it's I know they would love to find a tackle, but imagining it as like a prior already with one of the big picks, at least one of the first two, I don't know. I don't know if Tyron Smith needs to be replaced now

or in twenty twenty six. Tyron Smith could have been replaced last year and it turned out to be a great decision, but no, I think for the most part, I was I feel I feel like yes, because again, they made no bones about it, and I know people feel some type of way about it, but this, the draft is where all of their chips are this year, which is great news for us because it gives us

a lot to talk about. Um, I get the feeling you said it on the show Tuesday like they've got no problem putting a ton of pressure on this on this scouting department. They don't. And that's that, I think is what they are going to do. No. They They and the scouts realize that too. Scouts are okay with that, you know. I mean, these guys have been together a long time. They know the drill, they know what's you know. They know they don't dabble in free agency like most

teams do. They'll bottom fish some guys, they'll workout for him, but yeah, their draft is where they make their money, Okay, And I assume that comes with a degree of confidence, right, I mean, especially say what you will. The Cowboys have a fantastic track record overall since Will McClay took this thing over. How does how would that make you feel? Like if you look at this depth chart, I'd feel awesome. Yeah, be awesome because you have the chance to add these

guys to the team. Not at all anxious because you're like, you want us to find playmakers at this many different spots. Oh okay, yeah, if you think that in the draft, it's like, all right, boys, gotta find four starters. I got bad news for you. That's not going to work out. It's kind of the position that they're in right now. They need a left guard and a wide receiver. It'll start. Yeah, Oh, it sounds better when you put it that way. They could use a tight end. They could use a year

from now, another linebacker, maybe another edge rusher. Oh, you're right as far as like guys that need to be able to start. I'll throw a swing tackle in there too. Again, because a you don't have one. And even if we don't know what ball we don't know, I mean you're hope. You're hope a guy you draft in a month we'll

play have played as many snaps as Josh Ball. But but the hope is that you drafted Josh Ball where you did, and then he took the whole off season to maybe add ten to twelve pounds and some strength. If that, if that doesn't, if that doesn't materialize, if we don't see that, like in OTA's mini camps and then training camp. Then now you're starting to have some questions.

And I'm that I'm not saying you have to believe him, but Mike McCarthy did bring that up on Tuesday kind of basically he was asked by us, like, you haven't done anything to your offensive line? Are you aware that you can? And he was like, well, what you guys don't see is like Josh Ball and Matt Farney, ok. Are here every day like they're putting in the work. Coaches aren't allowed to work with them for another few weeks, but you can tell when a guy's in the gym

McCarthy's office like looks out on the gym. So, I don't know, does that give you any optimism? Well, no, it just to me. That's that's your hope. That was No, that's that's your hope. That's your hope right now. I mean, you know, let's I tend to I'll say this though, about the scouts and the pressure, the fact that you seem like you have a coaching staff that you can work with. Now, we'll see what happens with Joe Philbin.

We'll see what happens because there's a disconnect there. I believe with what maybe the scouts want to do and what Joe Philbin wants to do. And then now it's at a position too where there's some primary need that guard spot. You know, who is going to win. Are they going to be able to come to a consensus on that potential guard you know, if that's the direction that they go at twenty four. Two things I want to get into in this first segment, one about the

Cowboys draft picks. But before we do that, try to keep it topical. At the top of the show. Alabama did have its pro day Wednesday. That is noteworthy for a variety of reasons. It turns out when you win the national title every other year, you've got a few good players, you do. Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, and Dan Quinn were also all there. Guys I want to talk about, Oh, you got a guy I want. I mean, he's not like a new guy. It's not like I'm turning over

a rock here. But I want to talk about Jamison Williams because I feel like I don't want to say he's been under the radar. Everybody knows who he is, but I feel like you maybe subconsciously early I'll say I do. I feel like I subconsciously leave him out of the conversation because he just tore his ACL January eleventh National Title game, and you wonder how available he's

gonna be. He's gonna start the season on pup, all this good type of stuff, and he didn't even do a pro day yesterday, but he's doing some hopping and skipping around. Some video comes out of him doing some hopping and some skipping, and he says he thinks he's on pace to be ready for training camp. And my heart got all a flutter because he didn't know what happened in Michael Gallup's surgery, that that that his is not on schedule and everyone else in the world. It's

not the surgery. I can't tell you. And I know we've gotten a few questions about that. Mike just had a lot of swelling, swelling in the area of the injury. Like sometimes you get a clean tear. I'm not a doctor, but like the no two tears are the same. Mike's it was swelling for a month, yea for a month. Yeah, and that's it's not like Michael Gallup was like, I don't feel like doing that didn't get a nice pack. I think it's a little bit more store get ten

pound bags. You know, I trust a frozen piece. I trust the highly skilled doctors that do these things. Mike was Mike didn't put it off for no reason. He needed to let the swelling go down before getting all the way back on topic, just because I'm just gonna take a Jamison Williams branch Uh isn't wild that there are two players in this draft they're gonna go in

the first round that had to transfer to play. Jameson Williams had to transfer because Garrett Wilson, Chris Olabe and Jackson Smith and Jigbo were going to be the three starting receivers in Ohio state. He wasn't gonna art and now he's top twenty five pick. Trayvon Walker might be a top five pick, I'm sorry. Jermaine Johnson, yeah, might be a top fifteen pick right, And he had to transfer because he wasn't gonna play at Georgia. So and

I don't even know what the takeaway is. And the takeaway is that the I mean, college football has always been a super in balanced sport, like the rich always get richer. But but you're telling me that Jermaine Johnson isn't better than anyone who played a bunch of snaps on a Georgie dfense. My guy, you're the one that won't shut up about how the dude that's not draft eligible at Georgia is better than all the freaks that

are going to be first. I'm just I'm just saying, Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, and Ryan Day just have stables of freaks at every position. That's what happens when you're able to sustain that type of success. And honestly, and that's it's just self perpetuating because these guys say, maybe I won't be the guy as a freshman, but I'll take over in the bowl game like uh Smith and Jigba did, and then he's the guy going for It's like I'll be limited for a year before I go

on to be a top twenty pick. Like that's fine. He wasn't going to play for Ohio State basically, but oh, but to your point, he should not be forgotten at twenty four. If Jameson Williams is available, which I think there's a decent chance he's not, that's you should have him in consideration. Real quick. I just want to I think I just think it's funny. He transferred to Alabama, which cranks out a top twenty receiver every year, like

Jermaine Johnson. Jermaine Johnson went to a lesser program than Georgia. Jamison Williams was like, let me go to the one that's arguably better and become a star. Yeah, go figure, Um Yeah, I mean does this Does this take him out of the Cowboys draft range? Because that breaks my heart? If so, If he's if he is ready for training camp, and really this is just a speed bump on his way toward being drafted in the top fifteen, that's a bummer for the Cowboys. I would say, Mike, Well, it's

hard to get like, I literally think it's flip a coin. Well, Jamison Williams make twenty four, because I think what's gonna happen at receiver is you're almost picking style In the top five guys, they're just different. If you want the speed guy, then you're gonna take Jamison Williams. Yeah. If you want an X, maybe you're gonna take Drake London. If you want a route runner, maybe you're gonna take

one of the Ohio State guys. It's like of the names like Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Treylan Burkes, Drake London, Jamison Williams. I bet you one of them is there. I have no idea who, but I bet you one of them is there. I kind of feel like with these receivers, if you're the Cowboys, you're gonna have to walk the mine field of the Philadelphia Eagles, like the

Eagles are in they've got those three picks. I think it one of those three picks you could you could clearly see one of these wide receivers going, we're gonna have Eagles will just draft the bad one. Though. That's well, that's you know, that's your hope, that's your hope. I mean, I mean, we all liked Ray here. I mean, I

know I'm being I know is planted firmly. I know I know that, and I but you know, like I said to me that, I feel like that's the that's the minefield that you're gonna have to walk if you want one of these if if in fact, because then what happens is or maybe maybe you're in a situation too where Kansas City becomes aggressive. Green Bay becomes aggressive to try and go up if they kind of feel like if some if they see one of those wide receivers,

maybe maybe that's the team that's going now. Green Bay has a history of not drafting wide receivers. We've talked about that a bunch. Kansas City isn't a very is a very aggressive team. So if they if they feel like that there's a player that they need, I could see them coming from the back of the draft to come get somebody. Paint me a clearer picture of Jamison Williams. Um. I mean he's he has that freakish Tyree Hill type of speed that forces everyone on the field to account

for him. Um, he's a He's a vertical threat as well as a horror of a horizontal threat. I think he could do all of that gadget type of stuff, but clearly there's a deficiency in his game, or else we would be talking about him the way that we talk about a Jamar Chase or a guy like that that you know is going to be a top ten pick. So what is it that you ding him for? I think he is, like he's better than a quote speed receiver.

Excuse me, he's better than I think he's better than Henry Ruggs as a prospect, and Ruggs was a first round pick. I think he's better than that because I think he's a capable route runner. But I just think there's levels to everything you're looking for at wide receiver. You want a ball that's going to be in the air. I want Drake London or Traylan Burkes. You want to know what's going to happen after this dude catches the ball.

I don't think Jamison Williams is my number one, but he makes stuff happen after the catch, but it's still mostly predicated on speed. So ultimately, I think he is a stretch the field, not going to have a hundred catch season. But it's weird because he's he's more than just speed, but he's not as good and nuanced in terms of route running or power or above the rim as some of the other guys. I think it's his hands. I think it's his hands that have the question mark

nobody catch them. Yeah. I mean, if you look at the in the National Championship game, at one play he did make, it was really nice. Was body catch kind of a play. But I think that's the thing you'll see him catch with his hands, You'll see him extend, and then there's other times you see him the ball gets on top of him. And that's what good receivers do.

They're able to adjust. And I think that's where people would probably this guy puts the fear of God in defensive backs for the aid and you could tell, you could watch, you could see when guys try and cover him, and you do not want to give this guy free access. I mean, when he starts running, he just tears up cushion the way it is, and then all of a sudden you're put in a position where he's gonna break. And now it's even worse that he's running forward and

you're trying to pedal and turn. I think that's the thing that he that he does really, really well. Now we'll see if the knee injury takes some of that ability away from him. But if you said, is there one thing that you would say that people would ding him on. He is one hundred and seventy nine pounds and he is and his hands might be just good. That's kind of where I think it's going to be. Two other Alabama guys. I want to hit on Dan Quinn was there. I don't know if Kellen was there.

Kellen's been hanging out in the Midwest. I feel like he was up at like Iowa State, just kind of how he gets down the Midwest him. Do you think he was looking at brock Purty maybe as a backup one of those fifth round picks or something like that. I like, is that knowing that Will Greer is here? They picked him up off of waivers last year, Like, I wonder how much of a priority that is for them?

But yeah, sure, maybe not. I mean, well, I mean, I just I was trying to figure out why Charlie Kohler, the tight end, Charlie would be good to go, and then yeah, I mean, why not take a look at brock Purty, Sure you're a quarterback? The two Federian mathis

the Bama defensive tackle. And then another one that I feel like owes a little bit more attention than maybe we've given him, as Christian Harris, who seems like, especially when you look at the way the linebacker class has changed, Damon Clark having surgery, right, maybe you're knocking him down your board. Harris seems like he stands to benefit in the sense that maybe not a first round pick, but a guy that I could see going pretty quickly on Friday. Yes, no, No,

I absolutely agree with you on that. I mean, this is a guy. You know again, you're looking at a six one two and twenty six pound guy that is always around the football. I mean, you cannot watch an Alabama defense and not see number eight near the football. He's just super impressive. And the thing I think about him maybe being at two twenty six, when he tackles the ball carrier stops, there's no like dragging him down the field kind of for another four or five yards.

I mean you literally see him when he hits that ball carrier stops. And I mean I think the thing about him at being that light too. His movement skill is really good too, because he plays a step ahead and it's like see that, see what's developing, and then go. And a lot of those Alabama defensive players are that way. They're so well trained to keep their eyes in the right spot and to run and go get the football. And I think he I think Christian Harris fits right

into that, into that mode. I think, yeah, like I like Christian Harris. I think he's gonna be one of those guys. It's gonna fall directly between where you pick and where you pick where we say that about everybody's sure, somebody has to be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll say it about a million guys, and then a bunch of them will be there, and then you're gonna pick sky More in the third round and life's gonna be great. Yeah. I just think, like I look at the linebacker class.

I think for me anyway, it's Nakobe Deane, Devin Lloyd. I think my third guy is Quay Walker, another Georgia guy, and then it's Christian Harris. Yeah. And so could the fourth off the ball linebacker in a draft make it to your second round pick? Yeah? Sure, And somebody could pick somebody else that I haven't named in front of him, whether it's Chad Muma or leo' chanal or whatever. Tindale is getting a lot of play, you know, he's getting a lot of people are talking about him as possibly

being in that mix. When you're mentioning that raft as many Georgia defends there there, I mean, because I mean I was falling along with is Pete Presco I guess from you know, Pete's got a pretty good eye for this stuff. He does a lot of the same stuff when he really studies his stuff, and you know, he was he was breaking down some tape and a lot of But I'm also asking some people about you talked about Walker Tindale Chanel. Is that Chanal that the channel?

How do you Scott Kyle's not here to be the pronunciation now the Wisconsin guy? Yeah, you know, so yeah, I mean that that to me is all those guys. I think it's a pretty good list of linebackers too, you know, with Assamura too from you know, with with he's he's been a boomer sooner guy. Yeah, we're gonna talk. I want to talk about him in the next segment. But although Stephen Jones, you talk about whether or not I'm being lied to. Stephen Jones made my eyebrows kind

of perk up. I mean, great, great stuff that he said about Jabril Cox in the sense that they think he can step up and Phil Kean O'Neil's role, Bill co Truthers unite. He also said he also basically was like, yeah, I mean Jaron curses a linebacker, which is true, but was funny to hear him say that, And so you kind of start doing mental math where you're like, Okay, say goodbye to Na Kobe Dean, say goodbye to like

a top sixty sort of linebacker. I just I wonder if it's a priority for them when when you throw j Ron Curse into that mix, now you're really talking about four guys that can play that position. Well, the thing that might get Na Kobe Dean as he's five eleven four, you've talked about that, that's that's where that's where that might end for him. I mean, now he's not for every team, but but I don't know how you can't turn on the tape and see he should be on my team. You know that that part of it.

You know, if you talk to people after the combine to a man, they were saying the best interview they had was Nakobe Dean. The best interview they had would just talking to him, and that the kid gets it. You know, it's a mechanical engineering major. I mean, there's a lot of really super super things about him that people were really you know, kind of singing his praises. This is one of those things where I differ from

y'all in the sense, like Nakobe Dean might be. He's probably my favorite defender that I've seen in this class, just in terms of enjoying watching him play football. But I think Sauce Gardner would be mine if I'm well, I right. I mean, he won't be there anyway, But the irony is like, I just find myself drifting away from Nakobe Dean, not because I don't like him as

a player. I just don't think the Cowboys will draft him if they don't see the knee, and we suspect that they maybe not like his they maybe don't like his size. It's just like, well, sorry, go be a badass for for Arizona. The first night of the draft. We're gonna be talking when he gets picked. There's not gonna be a negative thing said about him. You know, everybody's gonna talk about man, that that's smart foot and

he's probably gonna go to a really good team. It's probably gonna be somebody at the back, and we always say that, but in this case it probably will. Somebody will say, well, man, this guy might be five to eleven, but he makes every damn tackle. I assume y'all aren't spending a ton of time on running backs I've looked at a few. Have you. What do you have opinions on Brian Robinson? Just wrapping up my Bama theme here,

I agree with whatever Brian says. There we go, Brian, you know I think that to me, yeah, there's there's clearly not. I mean the whole kid from Iowa State's my favorite. One Spiller from Texas A and M and then Walker, other kinds of guys. But Robinson, Now, you watched him in those playoff games and stuff like that, and I'll tell you what, man, he's a tough son of a gun. He mean he I think he you know, people say, well that Alabama offensive line. No, this guy

can create some things running the football. He can make some people miss, you know. He has a feel for how to like to make that cut to get back stays and bounce runs over people and stuff like that. I'm a fan of his. I just like the other ones I mentioned better Haul, Spiller and Walker. I think that's what makes him intriguing to me, is like the Dallas Cowboys probably shouldn't be looking at running backs until Saturday. Yeah, and he fits in that range, does he not? Absolutely?

Where would you put him? I would say to me. He was in the fourth round is where I had him. I just I look at him and I don't remember many plays where he like made my eyebrows go up. Yeah, but he's like that guy. That's just it's always at least a three yard game. No, you know, every time getting stopped in the backfield, he's not. He's fallen forward. Good player, all right. Uh yeah. You guys ask us questions like you do every show, and we're gonna answer

and when we come back from this break. That's Smoothie King. We are blinding goodness to feel your greatness. Every blo is crafted to help you achieve your health and fitness goals. Sweete Keing uses only whole fruits and organic veggies. You'll never find sugary serups or artificial flavors, colors or preservatives, and unlike some other smoothie places, there are zero grams of added sugar and many of our blunds. Smoothie King is proud to be the official smoothie of the Dallas Cowboys.

Place your order in the Appora online for pickup or delivery. Smoothie King Rule the day. What do you call a group of grown men and women with their faces painted silver and blue who get together every week to share a three hour long ritual of jumping, sinking, and toasting Miller light and Tim Gallant hats while yelling, how about them Cowboys? You call it Miller Time in Dallas. Here's to the Cowboys, Here's to the original light beer. It's

Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Twenty twenty one Miller Brewing Company for Ors Texas Football season is almost over, and that means tax season is here. With it comes tax filing. Taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner. Don't let taxiety take over this tax season. Liberty Tax will help you get your largest possible refund or your money back. With more than twelve thousand tax professionals nationwide, help is always around the corner. Check out Liberty Tax,

proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Schedule and appointment today at Liberty Tax dot com, slash Cowboys Liberty Tax at Brighter Way to do Taxes. Hey Cowboys fans, if you're thinking about attending a game this season, visit Cowboys travel dot com to book your travel package today. Stay at the Team Hotel, have dinner with a Cowboys legend and experience at and T Stadium's exclusive VIP Owners Club. Also tour the Star, get autographs from your favorite players, and

talk xs and os with me. Mickey Spagnola, the official travel partner of the Dallas Cowboys, will take care of all your travel needs. Visit Cowboys Travel dot com. Is this Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show? Welcome back to the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite. I don't think I said that at the top of the show, but you should just assume that if Jeff and I are here,

Miller Ltte is part of the equation. Also, I keep telling you all this still haven't still haven't done my taxes, but Liberty Tax is a proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Y'all should schedule an appointment. If you're lazy like me and haven't done it yet. Liberty Tax dot com slash Cowboys. They will get you squared away. I should too. I've got about two weeks to make that happen. Until then, it's time for another edition of Twitter on the and I tease this in the first segment. I didn't want

you to. I didn't want you to spoil because I want our listeners to be able to hear their questions right out on the air. So Aaron, Aaron wants to know about Brian Asimoa, the OU linebacker, senior Bowl guy. I remember seeing him down there. I don't know a ton else about him. I would love for y'all to to fix that, please. He's fun. He is U the anti Leo Chanal. Like Leo Chanal at Wisconsin is six two two sixty of charging Bowl. Asamoa is what is the over six foot but not quite six one two

twenty eight. Yea six ft two twenty six and dude runs. That's what he does. He is your weak side linebacker that you'd tell the defensive line, hey, nobody touches Assamoa. He gets to run and chase the ball and tackle everybody because he's one of those linebackers that can absolutely fly. He's just a really good athlete, which means that he can do things in coverage that some of these bigger

plot of your guys can't do. So Assomo I think is probably a second or third round pick, and he could probably be a starting weak side linebacker as a rookie. I said this. He looks short on tape, but he's but he's anything but that. I mean, this guy plays really really hard. And I said there were several times where he was just right in the quarterback's face after he took the snap. I mean he was just like that quick. And so he's got a feel for how to find how to get to the ball, and he's

got a knack for creating turnover. So it just watching the Baylor game, and I mean he knocked the ball loose, and I mean it with like a really good physical tackle. And so here's see you guys six foot two, twenty six year thinking, Oh, he's gonna get bounced and things like that. No, this guy takes the fight to you. And I didn't see him get knocked back at all. And I think Jeff hit the nail on the head. Because of how athletic is, you can use him in coverage,

and you can use him really wide too. You can have him not just drop and play the hook or something like that. I think he can actually cover. I think he can actually run with people. So I think that's a real plus to him as well. If he can fly, cover and tackle. I mean that's all the stuff that a linebackers really needs supposed to be good. At I mean, where where do you how highly do

you have this guy? Like Jeff's right, second round you're just going off your description and you're describing a top fifty pick. No, he's a second round player. And you know, I was looking through my notes just as you were talking there. I mentioned it here. There were there were several times these games I was watching where he had stops to keep the ball here from getting a first down.

So that that tells you something that like you know, sometimes you see these guys get you know, drug for another uh, you know, for the first down, yardage and stuff like that. This guy didn't do that, So I mean I have him in the second round. Keeping with the linebacker theme, real quick, Derek wants to know about our guy Daman Clark. Unfortunately, it came out that he needs neck fusion surgery or something like that. Probably won't

get drafted at all. You don't think that's that's the question is how far do you knock him down there? You know, you don't think you'll get drafted at all, even the report, And I mean, of course we don't know that he could specifics of the medical six or seventh round. Then you know, when you start to talk about that is like, what at what point would you start talking about neck fusion on your board? I mean I have I know, on my board, I have him

as a second round grade. I also have him in red. No, when you know there's there's a couple of players him in our Michigan defensive end, I have red highlights on him. No wing that okay, this is where I graded him. But the medicals Na David A Jabo. Yeah I was for a second, I was like, what's wrong with a? I'm sorry, now you're sorrying about that? But the thing I haven't been read and I know and he could not he might not go drafted because of until people

can really get handle on that surgery. I'm changing the color of the text on some of my players now because that's a good idea by Brian. That's because without Jabo, I literally just moved him to where I would take him. No, I just did do that with Clark. No, because I had already disrespected Clark with where I ranked him initially. Yeah, you don't like Clark, I remember that. Yeah, that's you know,

But that's what I'm saying. I want to give the guys their due where they where they should be taken. I put him in red because then we get started on the draft. Well, who's your best player available? Well it's a clark. No, it's not because and you know and you know now because he's not because the medical stuff's going to knock him out. That's really tough to hear. The report the reporter is that he's expected to make a full recovery. Hope that he does. Good player. Yeah,

there's a couple of players too. The wide receiver Clemson might be justin Ross. Ross might be I mean, he came back, but people probably maybe they're looking at his situation too. There's a couple of guys in this draft that that have those medical conditions. That's that's the that's the danger that we run into a media scouts is we put guys on board and into the combine. We didn't know that they've got a narrow spine canal or

something like that that's keeping him from drafting him. We're working with like twenty eight percent of the picture here. It feels like there's no question where do y'all have Where y'all have David Bell? Where is he on your board?

The perdue receiver? Day three, like how far. This is one of the things that we're talking about before the show, not into a microphone where I think old school scouts might hate me sometimes, where I would say, David on tape, you'd be like, maybe third round, that's where I put

him fourth. And then when I confirm that he's a four six five four seven guy that's also small, I would be like, you know, when our pick comes up, and if we're gonna talk about receivers, I'm probably just gonna have some other guys in front of him, so I probably don't worry about David Bell, which that's why I asked, because when you brought up our Darius Washington, I saw David Bell's times from Purdue Pro Day yesterday and I was just like, I can imagine we're gonna

be there on Saturday and we're just gonna keep saying like, oh, David Bell is still hanging around. I think on date I think on day three, you can like you can start having your fights between people where it's like, guys, I don't care the tape, look at the tape like he is draftable, and then you'll have another guy who's like, hey, but this guy with terrible tape is an incredible athlete, and it's like, all right, let's battle it out. So I bet David Bell is a fourth or fifth round pick.

Somewhat related question from Mark I just thinking. I mean, I know he's not fast when it comes to the time time speed. I don't think it did those guys and he favored or run in those conditions out outside it per Due loft is out random didn't He ran a four seven one out four seven, But he didn't do a whole lot different in inside of what I'm saying though, But if you want to give yourself a chance to maybe improve, yeah, you didn't do yourself any

favors going outside and running in thirty degree weather. Yeah, but I still this is the old Krusty and me. But I'll always give a guy credit for being like, yeah, line it up, I'll do it. I don't like the guy that that that sits on it. It's not true that you'll give him credit for it. Why because we're doing a show right now where he's not getting credit for it. No, but I care. I care way more about what he did at the at the combine than

I do about Perdue. Pro day. We're all killing Hamilton right now because he went out and ran four seven. I heard fighting Hamilton didn't run. No, there's nobody's saying anything about Hamilton's I mean he doesn't think the tape's great, and that's okay. I mean I respect that. But if he doesn't run, if he doesn't run, it notre dame. You know, now you're you're now you're in a situation where now he has ammunitions. Say watch, I told you the guy played at four seven. I told you that.

You know, that's the argument that people will use. I just think with Jaron Curse back in the building, he's sort of redundant for this team. Um sure, I mean he and he's right, and that's what he said. He says, if you know, if you want to talk about a similar player, I mean, if far as what you do with this football team, yes, this guy plays down tackles really well. You know, I think he probably covers a little bit better. This this sort of ties into what

we're talking about, is this question from Mark. I just I don't know, can y'all elaborate? Basically, his question was like, if you watch a guy on tape, he like his hands, you feel good about his speed, he's talking about receiver specifically, but it can be anybody guy's route tree. You finish it up and you say, okay, he's a second round pick. Like what what are the key delineation lines that you look for when you're like, this is a first round guy,

this is second round guy. Because you like a lot of stuff about guys that you put in the second and third round, but what ultimately stops you from giving them that best grade possible? I think it's just I cheat even further because to me, it's just a way to tier different players, where if I say a guy as a first round grade, it means that if I

had a top ten pick, I'm okay picking him. If I got a guy who's got a one two cheater grade or a second round grade, and I get into the mid twenties, okay, then I can pick from those guys. I guess it's just my way of separating tiers. But ultimately you're also separating If you're gonna use a first round pick, then you are projecting. Okay, I think this guy's an NFL starter from day one, and not a

bad one, maybe a good one immediately. And if you take a second round pick, then I think in most cases you're saying, I've graded this guy as a second rounder because I think he can be an NFL star, or for me, that develops into a good one. Now I go to the third round, I think that guy's going to contribute for my football team as a rookie

and develop into a starter potentially. And then you get to four or five, six, seven, where you're throwing darts at well, I like this about him, and we'll see. So I think you kind of separated that way. Instant starter that I expect to be good. Second round, instant starter that I hope is good, and I expect to be good later. Third round hopefully starts in year two or three. It's traits. It's traits with me, it's it's

it's you. It's your deficiencies. You know, if you're not quick enough, if you're not fast enough, if you your hands aren't good enough, if you are not a good route runner. You know, it's the it's the things I start off. If if if you, if I could check off boxes, he does this, this, this, this, and this, I can give you a really really good grade if you're if you're deficient, and say three of the five things. I can't give you a good grade because there's there's

position specifics that you look for to play the position. Now, there's some guys that are that take that. You know, like for example, there's there's you know, I you know, uh Marcus Jones, my guy from Houston, right, the cornerback that's that's playing here here are six foot tall. You'd

have a one on him bingo. I mean, you know, because you look at you look at him and you're saying, okay, he's five eight, but this is what keeps him from being this level to me because I've seen this, this, this, and this play in this league. Now it's not always I mean there's guys that defy that, but there's also guys that you say, no, this is the reason why.

And there's guys that say, you know what, I tried to put him in that round and draft him, and I and I took I took a blind eye to the deficiencies just because I thought maybe a gut and then it busts on you. So I look at I look at traits, and I look at those positions specifics. But again, there's sometimes there's that rare, rare, rare, rare guy that defies all that it ends up being a great player. It's the time of year where people are always trying to problem solve, and I appreciate that. I've

seen this brought up a few times. I would love y'all's take on it. It's not necessarily related to this draft class, but people are talking about the idea of if all else fails, ask Zack Martin to play left guard and move Connor McGovern into that right guard spot. What do you think about that? My gut reaction is to dismiss it, because why would you move the best guard in football out of his position? But I'd be

curious for your take on it. I think you need to figure out a way to me that that's not a terrible question. And I think the reason I know why people are bringing this up it's because McGovern played right guard in Tampa in the season opener while Zach had covid and played a lot better than he did

at left guard. I understand the logic. I think that I think, to me, you should be able to ask any type of question like that when you watched how things went the last ten games for this football team at the second half of the year, and you know, and again there were some games where there were blowouts

and stuff like that. I get it. But when you look at your inability to run the football and their inability to protect at times and all that that went in, I think I think all all situations, all questions are open. There's nothing that would I would say, well, that's a terrible idea. No. I mean, it's about putting your best five there. It's always been about the best five in my opinion, you think that would make a significant difference. I think it would probably help. I think it would

help McGovern. But the problem I think with McGovern is that he's got a coach that's not too happy with him. That he's got a coach that doesn't see what you and I and everybody out there and Jeff we're talking about. But maybe maybe trying it right. See, the thing that I would have done. The thing I would have done is I would have tried to play law Collins at guard and then put Since you love steal so much, go ahead and put Collins at guard and see how

that works. And if that didn't work, if that didn't get better, then you can move on from Lyle Collins. But we will never know that if could they have, because they could have, what if it would have worked, then maybe you don't get rid of Layle Collins, you know. So that's that to me is I want to exhaust all possibilities, and if one of them is making moving

Zach Martin over to left guard. Now, people will say, you know most teams are right handed running the football that you want, you know, you want, you need, you need him playing next to Steal because Steal is not that strong. But maybe McGovern is that guy. Maybe McGovern is strong enough to hold up over there. Yeah, I think if that makes your best five, it's not a dumb question at all. It just seems a little jarring

when you first hear it. That's what you're talking about the right guard who's been a right guard his whole career in scoring everyone and then you go right. But I've also seen that right guard play right tackle and he was great. And that right guard I've seen play left tackle and he was great. So if that right guard could step over to left guard and not have a drop off, the other guy, who if we had to play today would be starting, is a bad left guard,

and he might be an okay right guard. If that makes your best five, it makes sense. It just sounds weird, and it's also it doesn't feel fair to be like, hey, you're the one rock on this whole thing. You're being punished for this. But yeah, no, I mean whoever said it was fair trying to win? No jarring? Then moving all pro LEI all in the left tackle from left guard, no jarring than that, the badasses can do whatever. Yeah, that's what I'm saying to me. You've got to figure out.

You've got to figure out what's going on at that left guard spot. I've got to figure that out. I think the answer like there. I mean, Jerry y'all talked about it. Jerry said it himself like cumhell or high water. They're gonna find a they're going to address that, and so I think that will prevent them from having to do it. But I don't think it's a bad question. No, it's not at all. U last one real quick. We're running out of time. It's okay, I just a fun,

little fun little would you rather? We're running out of time in my imaginary clock of what the segment should be, not anything else. I just like to watch myself on the screen. Yeah, and freaked me out. You look like my dog. Um. Would you rather come out of the big you know, the big picks of this drafts annoying. It's not necessary coming from you. When you're gone, he becomes annoying. Your dogs never shut up. Would you rather come out of this draft with Arkansas receiver Trailing Burks

and Memphis center Dylan Parham, okay Parham, Parham sorry? Or or Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum and Jalen Tulbert the South Alabama guy receiver. I would yeah, yeah, I thought you would like that one. I thought you would like that one. I like Burks considerably more than Tilbert, and I obviously like Linderbaumb considerably more than Parum. That's what makes this fun.

I will take option B. Give me a first round graded player and a second round graded player, because that first one is more of a one two and a two three. So I'm gonna go on grades. Give me Linderbaum and Jalen Tilbert. If you gave me Burks and Fortner from Kentucky. That wasn't the question allowed to just start swap this is we didn't say your own way. Yeah, I'm just saying I would make one would be my

selection all day. Okay, if but with with the way it is currently configured, give me the Iowa Center and that kid from a Jalen Tilbert Tilbert. Yeah, so y'all, but y'all agree on that you'd rather have the I'll disagree. If you just want us to fight, no, I don't do it. I don't care. But we'd like that. It's as easy as just saying linderbaumb is your highest graded player of all of those four, right, Yeah, that'd be the best possible player. Yeah. I don't disagree with that.

I don't disagree with that. I feel like we were we were big on linder bomb for the very beginning, and then it got boring and we dropped off, and now I'm coming back around, like, you know, that would be pretty fun. I wouldn't. I wouldn't dislike that one bit. The draft stuff is funny because, like you mentioned, Fedarian mathis at Alabama. Yeah, and after the Senior Bowl, I feel like we had this group of defensive tackles that everyone was talking about and they were all going to

be second round picks. And then now the Senior Bowl is far enough away that it's like, wait, a minute. That was just like a one technique who had a nice week. Yeah, that's not overreact guys, and it all just kind of moves around. Watch Watch Davis, Travis Jones. Why all these defensive tackles, maybe Logan Hall watch them all go in the first round, every one of those guys. I mean, you can't rule anything out right, just again, like because of the way that this whole thing is

that it would not surprise me. All Right, one more break and then um, yeah we've got you know, we got like fifteen more minutes of stuff. Don't worry about it. We'll be right back. Football season is almost over, and that means tax season is here. With it comes taxiety. Filing taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner. Don't let taxiety take over this tax season. Liberty Tax will help you get your largest possible refund or your

money back. With more than twelve thousand tax professionals nationwide, help is always around the corner. Check out Liberty Tax, proud partner of the Dallas Cowboys. Schedule and appointment today at Liberty tax dot com slash Cowboys. Liberty Tax a brighter way to do taxes. Hey, Cowboys fans. If you're thinking about attending a game this season, visit Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package today. Stay at the Team Hotel, have dinner with a Cowboys legend, and

experience at and T Stadium's exclusive VIP Owners Club. Also tour the Star, get autographs from your favorite players, and talk xs and os with me. Mickey Spagnola, the official travel partner of the Dallas Cowboys, will take care of all your travel needs. Visit Cowboys travel dot com. What

do you call a group? We've grown men and women with their faces painted silver and blue who get together every week to share a three hour long ritual of jumping, sinking, and toasting Miller light and Tim Gallant hats while yelling how about them Cowboys? You call it Miller Time in Dallas. Here's to the Cowboys, Here's to the original light Beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate Responsibly twenty twenty one Miller Brewing Company for Orts Texas. This is Chad Hennings, former Cowboy

and proud veteran of the United States Air Force. When my fellow military veterans choose VA, they receive life changing benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are a veteran, you may be eligible for healthcare, education and training benefits, a homeland guarantee, housing assistance, and more. Choose VA for the benefits you've earned. Visit Choose dot Va dot gov to learn more. That's Choose dot Va dot gov.

Is that yas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show? Welcome back to the final segment of the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lte Guys, I got a new read for you. Miller Lite proudly presents the first Cowboys Taco Fest at Miller Lighthouse at AT and T Stadium. It's on Saturday, May the seventh. Celebrate Sinco de Mayo with world class tacos, drinks, live music, and more. Take advantage of early bird pricing with tickets slows fifteen dollars. Visit seat key SeatGeek dot com,

the official ticketing provider of AT and T Stadium. Looking it up, Cowboys Taco Fest. I thought that was during the draft. That was kind of funny. It's a I think it's a week after the draft. I guess it would technically be Siete de Mayo, but I love the spirit of the holiday. Tacos or my jam. I agree. One more segment here with Brian and Jeff. I wanted to I wanted to try to mix it up. Um, I think you guys can agree, there's only so much you can say about words. Well, no, you can talk forever.

The English language has like two million words or whatever. Most of them don't makes sense. I mean just there's only there's just only so much you can do about pick twenty four and pick fifty six and receiver O lineman like all that. I mean, we get it right. But I wanted to try to have a conversation about what Day three is going to look like for the Cowboys. Obviously that's going to hinge on what happens with pick twenty four, fifty six, and eighty eight. But they're gonna

make the vast majority of their picks on Saturday. Six of the nine I've got them written down here. They pick one twenty ninth, and then starting in the fifth round, they're gonna pick five times in about forty picks one fifty five, one sixty seven, one seventy six, one seventy eight, and one ninety three. Actually I misspoke. We have no

idea if they will pick that many times. Because you could do a lot of stuff with it, which I just kind of wanted to have a conversation knowing that it's borderline impossible to answer, just about what you can accomplish with those picks and what you would like to accomplish, and you can take that in any direction you want to, if you want to try to trade it for a

veteran or move up in another round. You just you got a lot of resources to play with on Saturday, and I'd love to kind of get your feel for how you'd like to spend them. The Cowboys still at this point have about fifteen million dollars to play with. Now you'll need to account for the first three round picks first year cap hits, but so they've got ten million dollars to play with or whatever. I'm keep in mind.

They will get a lot of that money. They will get in June with the savings from the Lyle Collins cut. Like they don't have that right now, Okay, they'll get it. I would love for them to flip one of those picks for a left guard. Don't have that left guard's name in front of me, but what I'm looking for

is a Robert Quinn situation. I'm looking for an NFL team that has an aging, solid starting left guard that isn't very good, that's probably and he's in the last year of his deal, and said team is hoping that a year from now they can pick Bryce Young or c. J. Stroud, and so a veteran guard on the last year of his deal means nothing to them. Here have a fifth

round pick. I'm gonna flip that for my starting left guard because I do love having that many picks, because now you're giving yourself a reasonable chance to find a future starter on day three because you get five six swings at it. I think they have six picks on day three. And again, y'all we mentioned this on Tuesday. The NFL used this as a much larger talent pool than usual. Yeah, I'd like to use five of those picks, and I would like to flip one of them to

a tanking team for their left guard. I just had to go look at who are the tanking teams and is there a player that fits that bill. I'm looking for the Robert Quinn of left guards. That's the tough thing about this situation is I think that's a wonderful idea it's hard to know thirty two rosters, and in addition, who on those rosters has an expiring contract that the team would rather not pay. It's a very tedious thing to go look up. So Bobby Belt, if you're listening,

you enjoy tedious work. He'll be listening. He'll be walking around later tonight and he'll text you about that. Sure. I kind of there's a kind of a few spots. I was just looking at my board to kind of get an idea of your question. Kicker butter well, well, kicker, kicker, that'd be fine. I was thinking of Chris Paul, who was the Atulsa, who was a tackle that would could play guard. I was thinking of Zach tom from Wake fours to places tackle that people or to me, places

guard that people projecting as a center. I was seeing about ferguson the tight end from Wisconsin as a possibility of a guy. Teryl Bernard is another guy. We were talking about linebackers from Baylor, and I was, you know, it's funny there's there's these undersized linebackers, but man, this

guy has got something to his game. Because you know, you talk about coverage, it's it's it's more like I say, these guys, these guys are really good athletes, but a little bit undersize it's more than just drop and play the hook. And you know, this guy, Bernard has got the ability to kind of just to run with guys, to take guys. He blitzes. I mean, he carries routes,

He makes tackles in space. I mean I always saw there was a couple of times and I was watching the Texas Iowa state games where he got tied up a little bit, But most of his game is like on the move. So I kind of feel like though with all those with the fourth round picks, the fifth round picks, those are the kinds of names that I'm looking at right now for guys that maybe like that.

You know, you might have a little bit like say, Bernard played at Baylor and he is only six one and he is only two hundred and twenty four pounds, But it might be somebody that dan Quinn wants to bring in here because of the burst, the range and all those kinds of things. So do you you just want to do you want to use all those picks? I mean, that's what they're gonna try. I'm gonna try because what's gonna happen. And I think Jeff's right. I

think Jeff's right. I was talking well, I talked to Jacksonville and I brought it up last night with Jeff and Dane and I chase on at in Jacksonville, our former first round target. You can go get him if you want, if you're interested in going to get how you know, I know we all make a sharp pay face, We get all squashed up, you know, all that because we don't want the player. But would you take one of those picks, if you know, because Jacksonville's listening, you

know they're listening. I don't think they're gonna hold you up on any but if you're if you really thought that enough of a guy, you know, would you say, well, dan Quinn can do something with him. You know? I know Jeff was. He didn't have a name for a guard and I really don't either right now. But I have a feeling though there's somebody out there the pro

personnel department's looking at. It's a second or third year guy, and a team's got a little bit of a surplus, and they would take one of those fifth round picks and move on from that. My thought is A Dan wasn't here when they scouted Chason. Yeah, and B I could find that out because I know enough people in Atlanta. Yeah, they could tell me what they thought about him, and if they thought that he was not a very good player,

then that would probably eliminate Dan from one. I just we catch a lot of grief about Calevan Chason, and the thing I always go back to is I don't think anybody really loved him that much. Again, it was just like, this is what they need and this is what they're going to do because there's only so many guys in a draft class that God saved you from

potentially drafting. They really did. Yeah, I think for most people, well I don't I can't speak for NFL teams, but I think for a lot of people, you saw Calevon Chason and you were like, Okay, a toolsy pass rushing prospect, Yeah, which is like all right, second round grade. Yeah, and then ceedee lamb firm first round grade. So it was just it's a whole different conversation if CD is there or not to what are we to chase Chase on Diggs.

I mean, there was a possibility we kept hearing diggs name two and the end up getting Diggs at sixteen. Said I love the I love the draft because if you remember, in that pre draft process, when Diggs's name started to come up, it was like, not at seventeen, No, not at seventeen, anybody anything but that second round? Fine, but not in the front. And now when you only have like six guys that you're like, hey, it's seventeen, I'll take one of them, sure, right, what if they're

all gone by eight? I do so when I when I proposed this idea to myself, I didn't propose it to Yeah. When I when I thought up this idea, I just I went back. I was looking at the fifth round, and you can you can find guys like I'm looking at it right. You can absolutely find Wyatt Teller was a fifth round pick. Sure, Dre Greenlaw, who's a very useful player for the forty nine ers, was a fifth round pick. Tyler Conklin, the Vikings tight end um,

and on and on and on. But you want to know what I really noticed is guess guess who reliably makes the Pro Bowl from the fifth round. It's it's not that it ain't that deep kickers and punters when they like when though, if a guy's good enough to get drafted there, Michael Dixon was a fifth round pick. Matt Gay, the pro bowler for the Rams. MS fifth round pick, How do you care? What was that game experience?

The ram can't connect from fifty yards Tampa? It was like, yeah, he was short on a forty seven yard or still went to the Pro Bowl. And then Evan McPherson, who was money for the Bengals all through the playoffs and really the season fifth round pick. I don't care what you tell me. And yeah, like if you can trade that for a guard, that would be great. Just use one of those picks on a kicker, please think very well?

Could this is where you know, this is where bones fossil is going to come in because I know when I worked here back in the day, we had a getting Steve Hoffman never I never evaluated a kicker in the six years I worked in scouting here because Hoffman would go down to home depot and he'd work, he'd get ten guys to go to Texas Stadium and then he'd find an All Pro out of that group somehow,

some way. But yeah, this is up the bones and those guys I mean I think that you know that there's some danger drafting these kickers, though there really is. I know what you're saying about Pro Bowls and stuff like that, but but think about the ones that have been picked in the second, in the third rounds of well busts. You know. Don't do that, Yeah, don't do that. If somebody comes into the war room on Friday and says we should draft a kicker, you say, you're lucky.

I don't fire you here on the spot, Get out, go away. But starting outside of the top, like after about pick one thirty, I'm listening. Yeah, you're gonna be listening for the punter after about pick seventy, that's right. I mean, hey, I would have been. It doesn't make sense for the Cowboys anymore, but good for them. Go get punk God from San Diego State. Well that's people are going to look at him as a happened. That's

why they should. It's like all of a sudden, you're like, okay, like short nickel corner or punter that punts at eighty yards every time, you know, that's that's kind of where that's where that's gonna be. That's the discussion. You know, I hear you. It's just again, it doesn't it's I mean anger was that guy too? Like I don't have any worries about that from the Cowboys. But your kicker? You need a kicker this team plays. This team plays too many close games not to have a kicker. I agree. Uh,

what else we got? Okay, I can go back to this. Where are you going? What are you thinking about? I'm thinking about Uh? And now now that we covered that, let's go back to the boring first round because I did want to ask you, I hate the first round. What would your dream scenario of choices be? And you don't have to tell me one specific player, but like, just give me like the scattershot group of guys that you would like to have that choice between, or do you not want a choice? I am a big fan

of not having a choice. I love to have the draft do it for me where it's just like the suspense out of it, where it's like, oh, look, everybody I wanted except one is gone, because then you can't screw up. And I love not screwing up more than I like being right. Like, let's eliminate all risk here and what happens is my top five receivers are gone, the edge guys are gone, and what is remaining is

one of linder Bomb, Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson. And I'll just pick the one that made it, because then you don't have to wonder did we pick the wrong guy? Like Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green? To me, Spider Man mean gift thingy, whether it's like which one would you rather have? I'm gonna say Johnson. But am I all that confident in that? No? But am I super confident if you told me, all right, linder Bomb's gone, Kenyan

Green is gone? Do you feel great about taking Zion Johnson? Hell? Yeah, so you're If I got a guy that's like braided right with him, it's like, oh god, okay, all right, let's not pick the wrong one. It's a line all the way for you, though, unless something well like I would throw in a name that we talked about earlier that I don't think they'll talk about. Nakobe Deane at twenty four would be a great pick. He'd be a

great pick. I think that dude is a baller. You can take all your five foot eleven and why didn't he test? You can take all of it? You can ball it up, you can throw it in a trash can. And the one that's right over there, Nakobe Dean is a baller. But I don't think the Cowboys care because I think they feel like they're okay at linebacker. The positional value is not great, and so they're not gonna worry about it. Get Derek Stingley to twenty four talk

about that. You get him there, that can change something. I wrote these down. I wrote down this is so funny and in no particular order. I'd like a choice. If you give me a choice of a wide receiver, an edge, a center, or a cornerback. I don't want that choice. Grew up choice. No, that's what I want. No, you don't, Yes, I do. You're screwed up. You're gonna pick the wrong guy. Oh you're not. You're not. If the if you just take the however your stack is,

you take the best one. You stack them. You stack that receiver, you stack that edge, you stack that center, and they stack the corner and I'm with you. I don't think. But we said this before, we said they're not going to take that linebacker. But they've surprised us before in a draft. But I would I and I just kind of kept that linebacker just below that line because that would be my hope. But if you gave me any in any order you want to have. Now, the guards, I don't know, because I just think I

know they're going to take a guard. I just hope whatever guard they take is the right one, because I have questions. I have questions about Green, I have questions about Johnson, I have questions about Ingram, I have questions about all these guys. That's what I think. That's what makes me nervous. And I feel better about the wide receiver, the edge, the center, and the cornerbacks and the linebackers

than I do the guards. I am completely unsold that unless it's unless it's made Tyler Linderbaum, I'm completely unsold that a guard would be the best player available to you at twenty four. I'm I refuse to believe. Oh, I think at least the way I see them, I think the odds are it will be the best player. You think for me, even I think it's odds across the boards play even again, like throw Dean in there, even if the Cowboys don't like him, throw Dean could

throw that off? What about bomb could throw that off. You think Green and Johnson are definitively better than at least a couple of those receivers. I have Green and Johnson similar to the top seven wide receivers. Okay, So I I just I like, just like some people, I'm over here with Brian, I just no, No, I mean, I'm watch them together. You're gonna show me where these guys aren't good. I didn't say they weren't say I would take either guard over Chris Olave like, that's my

hot take of draft season. That is a hot take. I just like I said, I just I hope that everybody's right, because I feel like I'm wrong right now. This this feels very much Joey Bosa to me. Right now. That worked out really well for No, That's what I'm saying. I mean, there's there's always one or two guys that just don't have a really good handle on blow up everything and go get Cavon Thibodeaux in the top ten.

Because we've now entered a world where I think the majority of people are liking Trayvon Walker more than Cavon Tibodau. I watched him both play. You're all insane. I think every one of you is insane. I think Cavon Thibodeau his tape destroys Trayvon Walker's tape with with no disrespect intended toward Trayvon Walker or anybody who loves you. Disrespect them all you want. He's going in the top five.

They gonna be fine. I think we're I think we're into that echo chamber part of draft season where people tested so well one of them takes one of them, disrespects offensive tackles every time it's a pass for one of them. Doesn't. Cavon Thibodeau's a stud. He's not lying. Bring me Thibodeau. We'll work on that. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see just how far you've already got him in my down to eight to ten. Bring him further quick programming note it will be April the next time we

talked to y'all. If you stuck with us for this long, I would like you to know, for these final few weeks we're gonna bring back tell me more. We'll try to get into the real weeds on the you know, we like, there's only so much we can say about the top one hundred and twenty picks. We're gonna try to. We'll find y'all some diamonds in the rough here over the last few weeks. We'll be back next week. I think Kyle will be back. If he hasn't just up and moved on, us might to quit for Jeff and Brian.

I'm Dave. You know, thanks for listening to the Draft Show. We'll see you all next time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.