Draft Show: Way-Too-Early Bold Predictions

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and we'll all be better for it. News of the day. Will McClay Dallas Cowboys News of the day. Will McClay is on the list for the Houston Texans as a possible general manager candidate. Yeah, is there actually news of the day. I feel like the news of the weekend was Yeah, well we'll see. Well, I'll turn it into some news of the day, because I did visit with Will this morning, said bringing something new to this, Yeah, there's nothing new to report from last night. His statement

he's still waiting on the Texans. As of eight thirty this morning, he was still waiting on the Texans to get in touch with him. Will is a Houston native, went to school at Rice, has family in the area. This seems like a very good opportunity for him to interview for a team. I don't know how you guys feel, but you keep turning these jobs down. They're not going to call you anymore, and there's only so many of them, and I feel like that Will again, Cowboy fans have

grown to appreciate what he's been able to do. Feel like the drafts have been better. I feel like the organization itself and player personnel has been better. He feels like he probably needs to work a little bit on the pro side what they need to do with some of the guys you know in free agency, But overall, I think that they have a better direction with the way the boards set and some of the players that

they've been able to grab here under his watts. So let's keep an all keep an eye out on Will McClay. I'm sure Dallas Cowboys dot Com will have that information when it becomes available. Brian, what do you always say about the triangle. Yeah, Will is very good at the triangle and working in this organization. I understand the triangle myself.

I'm not trying to put myself in Will mcclay's shoes, but my boss, Larry Lacewell back in the day used to describe it as that way, and Will understands that too. It's the point of the triangle of the Joneses. On one end is the Scouts and the other end are the coaches. I think Will's in the middle of the triangle. He does a great job of making sure that all three groups are on the same page and not just the draft, not just a draft, everything right and now.

I think that's one of the great strengths of Will McClay is his ability to not just always pacify one group, but keep all the groups together. And I think he's got a great strength of that. He understands he's a former coach, he understands their side of it. The Scouts, he understands that side of his Will and the Jones he's trying to educate them on what they need to do. Jones has been at this a long time, but still

need education. This is going to be interesting because this is not the first time that Will's name has been mentioned in regard to one of these situations. I think Detroit, he was kind of thrown out there, and the Jets was another one, and those got shot down really really quickly, Whereas he took the time to come out and say himself in his own words that he hasn't heard anything. He's not going to comment on it, right, He's waiting

for them, waiting for them, That's what he said. So he had the opportunity to shoot this down and he didn't. So I mean that says something to me. That says I mean, he at least wants to talk to him, He at least wants to see what it's all about. Knowing Will at least a little bit. I can't imagine an opening in the NFL that's more appealing to him.

This is other than other than where he's at. I mean, you talk about that's where he's from, proximity to family, easy to deal with his family here, considering it's a short flight right Houston Dallas, and they're pretty well set up for the future between all the pieces that they have on defense, and they look like they found themselves a franchise quarterback. Uh it looks like a very favorable situation to step into our scouting. Boddy to the right says, hey,

they don't have a one into two this year. Though that's fair, i'n't going to keep in mind, but no, I mean you want to not having not having a one in a two can be offset by the fact that you have one of the most electrifying quarterbacks in the league. Yeah, you just you want to have long term lenses. And regardless if he actually wants his job or not. Pro tip, go on an interview. It's got experience. No, he's especially for a general manager position like that, So

absolutely make them not hire you. Not only that, it's good experience, and it probably makes the people in this building appreciate you a little bit more if you're talking about I think, I think the Jones just do appreciate you. Oh, I know that, and I know I'm not taking a how much you But anyway, that is the news of the day. Okay, let's get into these um, I want to get into bold predictions. It's very early. January eighth, Yeah,

January eighth. You know, like I said, we've got to have a national championship game tonight, Bowl predictions about this draft, and I ask you guys to come up with just a couple because I want this to go on record early and then when it if it happens, then when that when we're sitting here trying to kill time between picks during the draft, I want to remind people about that exact thing. So Dane Burglar, I'll start with you. Okay,

give me one bold prediction. I want two from each of you, and I'm gonna have two my own, but give me one Bowl prediction in this draft. One of the best offensive playmakers from this draft in the NFL will be a young man from New Mexico State, Joliel Scott, wide receiver. About that there might not be a better player in the country at high pointing and winning at the catch point. He's a big guy, right, huge guy. He's lean, but he's tall and long, six zo sixty

three or close to it. Yeah, we'll see. He'll be at the Senior Bowl. But I think that you know, there's some background stuff we got to work through. Um, but if we're just talking about on the field talent, he has the ability to impact the game in a big way. So he's he's a top three senior wide receiver in my opinion, and I think you know he'll

he'll be more well known after the Senior Bowl. But there's a good chance that best best best offensive prospect at to say, well, the Baker mayfields here at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, well, I think he's a top three senior wide receiver. So I think you know, you look at guys like at Anthony Miller. Yeah, so he's right there in that conversation though, to be so, there's a six five kid, right, he's huge, He's a mismatch weapon, So keep an eye Jalil Scott. I think he's gonna

be a big time NFL player. Okay, that's the school of New Mexico State. Dani Bruger, All right, that's a good one. David Hellman fold prediction. I purposefully tried to come up with predictions that are going to limit my ability to look stupid. Not that not that I can't, but like, I'm not going to sit here, well I'm

about to look really stupid on mine. I'm not going to sit here on January eighth and try to peg draft order or something like that, because you know, guys were not talking about are gonna shoot up and guys we are talking about are gonna drop down. But I was looking at the landscape of the draft, which this is the type of stuff I think is really interesting. And this is bold because they just hired a new GM and it just seems like the logical thing to do.

But I think the New York Giants are going to do something nuts in that too spot. I think whether that's they're either not going to draft a quarterback, which when you're picking two overall, that would be nuts, or they're going to trade out of that pick and try to get a bunch of stuff for it. And I think there's good reasoning for that behind the fact that what did the Rams do two years ago? They trade it up their quarterback, They certainly look like they're in

a good spot. Same thing goes for the Philadelphia Eagles. I think there are teams down the draft board, like maybe the Jets or you know, pick one that will see that as a way to get relevant quick. And I think Arizona. Arizona is another one. Thank you for doing my work for me, yeah, And I think the Giants are going to try to capitalize on that. So they're either going to or maybe they could do something really nuts like draft se Quon Barkley two overall. But

they're they're not going to draft a Quale. I tell you what. See, this is where I didn't want I didn't want to kind of trade ideas, but I just took yours five Bowl prediction was the Giants passed on a quarterback and go with Quintin Nelson with the second overall pick. There you go, that would be a hell of a pick. It would be that you think about. I mean, you know, and Quinton Nelson's the guard from Notre Dame, right, do that future Pro Bowl for all?

You know? The Cowboys were in this spot two years ago, and and we were we were sitting there driving the Zeke train, and there were plenty of people that were saying they need to get a quarterback, and we were like, you got Romo for at least three more years. Like and obviously a whole bunch of stuff has happened since then, But I'm sure the Giants could convince themselves that if given a better supporting cast, Eli Mannings got plenty of gas left in the tank, but they needed they need

to find that. You guys have that stance, do you think they're going quarterback. I think the Giants don't expect to be picking in the top five often, No, they don't. And that's see I see Ghettleman playing this thing safe. I do. And I like what you're saying about Manning that may oh maybe he's got one or two more years, right, and hey, what if he's got we're talking. Yeah, we talked about Davis Webb though too. You know, Dad's another thing. Oh yeah, come on, you got you got that bunchie

face right now. You don't, you don't if we're talking about Davis Webb last year as a fourth, fifth round guy, developmental guy. You don't let a third round pick stop you from drafting a quarterback. To overall, who would be safer to draft Quentin Nelson or or the kid from USC Darnel. I mean, from everything, there's no question it is safer. Yeah, from everything, y'all tell me this guy is the safest pick in the whole draft. But if you must factor, if you're a general, man must fact.

I know. Yeah, fortune favors the bold, I get it, trust me. I'm just I'm just telling you, okay, what happens when Eli Manning goes out next year and struggles. Oh no, you don't have a quarterback. You're about the Ghettleman draft, Cam Newton, I believe. So. Yeah, that was one line that was one overall, and I think a much more slam dunk number one overall in my not at the time. I think at the time Cam Newton,

I know, I know Blaine gabbered ahead of Cam Newton. Yeah, I mean, and you want me to stand in there pick a quarterback at two now right, I'm just imagine Carson Witz. Imagine a world where imagine a world where the Cardinals are gonna give you fifteen and like next year's one or whatever it would take A would do that. A lot depends too on what quarterback is there. Let's just say for hypothetical purposes, Seam Darnold goes one. Josh Rosen is not that slam dunk because of again the

off field. We'll talk about it many more times during this draft process. But he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. A lot of people don't think he's gonna be able to take NFL coaching or coaching is not gonna want to deal with him. So Josh Rosen's not that slam dunk. Now, if you just focus on on the field, Yeah, he's worthy of a top five pickure, but he might be turned off. The Giants might be turned off by him. What if Dorsey takes Alan at one,

then I would laugh like for a long time. Okay, I mean just saying, Hey, we all somebody on Twitter ASTs you asked me if I would take if he took he took my Homes and not people had Mahomes. I said, ma Homes would be a first round Plosh Allen? Is he traded up to get Mahomes. Josh Allen is the most polarizing quarterback prospects since I've been doing this all right, more way more polarizing than Mahomes. With Mahomes, it was is he a first round or a second rounder?

With Josh Allen? Is he is a first round or a seventh rounder? Like it's that wide split with opinion. Dude, if you're gonna draft a guy, I'm sorry, I know there's more to it. I haven't watched if any tape on this guy. But like, if Dorsey in the Mountain West,

I need you to be dominating in the Mountain. If Dorsey takes something other than a quarterback in the first just if you takes something other than a quarterback first overall, say he takes Sparkly for those off the Giants did the Giant did the quarterback prospects make you want to get off Nelson as as a guy would that would would would would Darnel or Rosen wants you to get off Nelson if that's who you were planning on taking.

If I'm the Giants, I'm taking the quarterback. But again, that's if I fall in love with the quarterback and the Giants might not. If the Giants don't draft it too, I think it's way more likely it's because somebody's offering them a boatload. Get up there. I don't like even if Quinton Nelson is better than Zach Martin, I mean two overall for a guard. I know that they need offensive line, but wow, guy might be he's I know offensive players of draft. This might be the best one

of the best offensive players I know US player period. Yeah. It's it's a worthy discussion that I think we'll have more than once this this process. We had it with Zeke and the running backs. We'll have it again this year with Barkley and running back. Yeah. But now, with Nelson being arguably the best player this entire draft, what is the value and I think he's going top ten? Yeah, is the value there to take him top five? I

think it's a worthy discussion to have at something. Well, I'm sure we'll have a multiple times full prediction number too for Dane Burglar Um. Well, I was gonna say Josh Allen, but we kind of just touched on him, So I will go with it's nice you have multiple bold predictions in that head of yours. Good idea. I was taking a shower this morning, trying to gave my dog a walk, trying to think of these things. Jordan Whitehead safety from Pitt Oh, here we go. He will

be this year's Buddha Baker oh Special Teams Ace. Yeah, a guy, Budda Baker, a great athlete, can play a nickel corner, can play safety, can just do a lot of things for you. He's he's undersized. I mean he's probably gonna be buck ninety five or so, doesn't have the traditional safety size, just like Buddha Baker. But the want to, the toughness, the speed, the play speed, it's all there. I think he could be this year's version of Buddha Baker, a second rounder who ends up being

just an integral part of a secondary somewhere. Did you kind of think with me that two plays really good, one play really bad. Yeah. Kind of kind of a guy. Yeah. And he's a young player and there's some off field stuff that you've got to work through. But do this tell tell me more? Yeah, investigate that. Yeah. So that's that's Jordan Whitehead, the safety from Pittsburgh. Yeah, is who

we're talking about, right, bold prediction. This year's Buddha Baker when the Pro Bowl, Right, I think he has a special team a special teams player. Yeah. When you say that, you mean, by the way, first like first second round pick type of guy, wouldn't bud Yeah, top fifty. He eventually was second round, right, like thirty six or so. Yeah, broke this guy. This guy's tough man. I just we're watching the tape and I was impressed how he gets

in the slot and covers ruh. Yeah, because he has all over the field, he has corner athleticism, he does uh. And so I think and we said that a lot about Buddha and how fast he played and the toughness, and I think you see a lot of that with Jordan Whitehead. So top fifty, pick a guy that's going

to come in and make an impact. Dave Hellman, I just think quarterbacks drive so much of everything pertaining to the NFL Draft, and one thing, one thing that we you know, and it's we'll get to it as it happens. But like it's it's so hard to predict what the landscape is gonna look like with free agency. But my bold prediction is that somehow, some way, Kirk Cousins is really gonna influence the way this whole thing shakes out because he's he's up again in Washington or ye are

gonna tag him? Are they gonna give him a long can't tag him? They can't tag you? I thought they could. No, they transition tag him. No. I think if the way it actually makes my point even easier. One the one understanding is I have he's been tagged twice, and once you be tagged twice, you cannot tag a player again.

One way or another, He's gonna shake up the league landscape because he's either going to sign a big deal in the NFC East or somebody else is going to poach him away and There's plenty of teams that could do it. Whether you want to talk Denver again, the New York Jets. I don't know if the New York Giants have the type of cap space, but there are teams that need Hey after yesterday, even if they're in

the playoffs. The Jacksonville Jaguars might want him. Um, he's gonna wind up somewhere, and it's kind of great, greatly affect how we look at the quarterback. Smith or Eli Manning Smith Kansas City or Eli Manning get traded to somebody. I could absolutely see Alex Smith getting track. I think that makes the most sense. Cleveland is the likely destination with John Dorsey trading for him in San Francisco, Cleveland looking for that bridge quarterback to whoever they draft. Um.

The value, what's you know Alex Smith? The one year left on his deal? What is he worth on the open market? Uh, that's a tough question because you look at the Browns. They have so many draft picks, but you don't want to give up the thirty third pick, thirty fifth pick. Could they get Alex Smith for a third rounder? Uh? Maybe another conditional pick. If they do, If they can, then I think there's a good chance to Brown Dorsey. You remember Dorsey. He knows Alex Smith

better than anybody cher he lived with him. You're just for a reference. I've had a traded for him. I feel like people listening to this probably know who Dorsey is. John Dorsey, new general manager of that at a bar. Well, he's your buddy, He's somebody one thing Kirk Cousins. He can be franchise tagged again, but if it's a third if he is France third time, his salaries like thirty five million. Oh, I didn't think that they I thought it was only twice that you could franchise tagging. But

it's his price. The price tag goes up of certain percentages each year, and so that's something I did not. I always thought it was two times an out, That's what I thought. It was. Just never really, I don't think we've seen it happened a third time. Yeah, five million dollars though a big reason we don't it's because the salary bumps up a certain foot so much. Okay, the football, Like just as I wish I knew the rules, I did, like when I was in this league at

one time. League Injurgue is so interesting to me, Like, I hope, I hope he goes somewhere else just because it would, you know, shake everything up, would be an idiot. If I missed that, I'm sorry. If I did, I would guess Denver as the favorite to land Kirk Cousins if he does go somewhere else. Full prediction from Brian broad Us. Kerrie and Johnson running back out Auburn will be the second running back taking draft. Didn't you just start watching this guy this morning and you're already like

in love with him? Yeah? Wow, all right, I've been. He will be the second running back taken in the draft. I have no problem with that. You're gonna see Nick Chubb tonight. You're gonna see Michelle. You're gonna see guys play tonight, Amy and Harris. Yeah, you're gonna see guys play in this game tonight. And I think Barkley goes one, and I think Carrie on Johnson from Auburn number goes number two. Now the second second back in the draft. Carry On Johnson and that's better than Geist too. Second

back in the draft in the first round or where? Yes, first round? All right? Second? The second running back that will be taken will be Carrie on Johnson. I'm with you. I have Barkley number one, and then I've got a geist and carry on. Johnson has late one early twos, so I'm right there with you. Would not shock me at all. I think he's deserving. He he's very long legged as a run back. It's a little it's a little weird because when you first watch him, you're like,

I don't know if I like this guy. Oh he's got But then you watch him more and you just gained an appreciation for his patience, his vision, his lateral quickness, his tough he's the toughest running back finishes some run oh my god. And now I'll tell you what. He catches the ball well coming out of the back, he does, and one hand he catches screens as tough as he is. The medicals are what I'm worried about because he's so banged up because Auburn just rode him this year. Yeah,

and he wasn't healthy for a lot. But he doesn't come off the field. He hates to come off the field. He has that mentality that you want running back. I'm with to carry on Johnson. To me, he's a top three running back on my board if he went to wouldn't shock him? Yeah, well there you go. Boom some bowl predictions from the guys. We'll probably do some more of this throughout. We'll get some ideas so what we want to do. We're gonna take a break right now

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appreciate traveling along with us. One of my favorite parts of this show, other than arguing with these two gentlemen, is to do a little Twitter on the Twitter I gets the fans involved can get a hold of us at at at the Draft show or at Hellman DC. We'll try and get your questions answered the best we can. So how about it, my friend, here's a good just here's a good y'all. Y'all all like this as the scouting nerds that you are, Rhino wants to know what's

the most difficult position to evaluate. Have I ever got a quarterback right yet? He Packson Lynch still has a shot. Yeah, it Bordles Lynch. I'm I'm like over dose right now. It's a great point I had. I think I'm a homes and I'd Watson. I kind of had them where it is. I mean, I think i'd Watson over You're fine the guy, but no, Yeah, to me, that's the

one because it's hard to it's hard to predict. You know, in scouting, we always sit there and say, Okay, he's a four year starter, he's a captain, he's you know, you're trying to avoid the one year guy. You're trying to avoid the Ryan Lee for the Achille Smith or those guys that were one year players. Sometimes it goes against you. I talk about Joey Harrington at times. That's always been a difficult position for me because again, how

did those guys translate? How does the NFL game? I mean, now you've got some guys that aren't your traditional type of NFL quarterbacks that people are playing with. Guy in New Orleans, it's too short. Sure, it's not for seventy thousand yards. Guy in Seattle too. Yeah, think about that. So yeah, I just think that that's a very very difficult position for me. I could do offensive linement all day.

As far as evaluate those guys, I think that's where interior offensive center is something that I've I've struggled with, second level blocks, reach, scoop, yeah, full athletic ability. I think it's it's easy when you know, we find the you know, the Nick Mangolds and the you know, Alex Max. But Travis Frederick wasn't a highly rated guy, and you know guys like that who you know, and I think that's Travis Frederick was one of those guys that I

definitely missed on. I had a late two on him, and you know, he went almost a full round earlier and has certainly been worth it. So I think center, and then you know, defensive tackle. You know, because going from scheme to scheme in college defensive tackles, interior defensive line, they're asked to do different things, right, and that makes it a little tough, And that's true for any position. I think you have to ask yourself what are they being coached to do? Because that changes the way you

watch tape. If you're watching Alabama and you understand what Nick Saban asks of his defensive lineman or what he asks of his corners. It changes the way you watch that tape, and so I think having that understanding is a big part of it, and that's something that could be challenging when you're just watching the tape and you don't have some of the inside knowledge. Yeah, I'm I'm kidding,

but I'm not kidding. Dbs are just hard to watch in general, Like when like the freaking camera angles eighty million yards away, You're just like, where where did my guy go? Wearing a towel? Yeah? Is he in zone? Is he in many stocked down? Yeah? Corner is my favorite position to evaluate. I think they either make plays or they don't because they're they're premier athletes, and I love watching those athletes make plays. And I think, yeah, exactly, if you can make plays, and you know, if a

guy's constantly getting beat, I don't want him. I understand getting beat once or twice a game. I get that. Yeah, but if you can if you're consistently getting worked justin Gilbert what from or top ten? Throwing throwing shade it poor? Justin gober Oh, it's truth, Turtle says if Baker Mayfield is there in the first Why not take a chance, Brian, this is obviously a Cowboys centered Yeah. As I as I sit there and tell you, I just can't evaluate quarters.

You know what. Could Baker Mayfield be taken ahead of Jackson? Yeah? Oh yeah, I think he's the He's I think he's right now where we sit, he's Could he be the third quarterback? Can be taken behind? Could he be taken ahead of Alan? Yes, very easily. Oh yeah, I would Yeah, I think so. I would Baker Mayfield ahead of Josh Allen for sure? I said, did you take him ahead of Darnald during? During? Now you gotta help me here. But there's no consensus on these quarterbacks. Yeah, I would

be surprised if you went ahead of Darnald. Um, I could see him go ahead of Rosen because of again the off field stuff, yea, may There's just there will be no consensus on these quarterbacks. So anything anti Johnny Manziel, Yes, I hate the Johnny Manzel Come no, no, I'm just saying, is exactly is he the Is he the guy that you think like both guys love football, but on the field, off the field, that kind of stuff. I mean people. It's crazy. People are gonna make the Johnny Manzel comparisons.

And I think it's because is he like somebody you've seen before. They give a lot of people gave Manziel a pass yea, and they got burned, And so I think they're overcompensating with Mayfield now when in reality, Bakers they're just nothing alike. There's just so different. And you can talk about the off field issues, the maturity. Does Baker need to mature? Yeah he does, you know, we saw that in the Kansas game. But it's a big difference between the maturity that he needs and the maturity

that Johnny Manziel needed. Johnny Manziel felt entitled, where Baker Mayfield felt driven. I mean his stuff is all competitive base where Manziel is you know, you just question how much does he really love football? So I get the comparisons that people will make. I don't agree with him. I don't think there're anything alike to me. When you look at Baker Mayfield, I see Jeff Garcia. Wow, you guys, you guys are eerie something okay, And that's and that's

not a people think of Jeff Garcia. Like see I just wrote it down to remind I wrote it down to remind myself. I wrote it down. Was he's describing a guy he throws the ball better than Jeff Garcia, but he's the same when it comes to sleep, you know, kind of moving around the pocket, shoveling it, whatever he has to do, run the ball. That he's just And and there's some younger fans out there, go look up

Jeff Garcia. Oh that bums me out to think that there's people then are let's none of this that don't remember Jeff Carson. Well I'm just twenty years ago. Now. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, yeah, exactly a quarterback man. But to me dispect, yeah, this is this is what I who. I wrote down just to remind myself. I haven't mean you know this. This is all subject to change, and it's early. But I said it the other day

and I still feel that way. Like I think I feel better about Mayfield and Lamar than I do about the three prototype guys. Why there's gonna be I do some people they're gonna absolutely love Jackson. Sure, they're gonna step it up and love him. And I've said this before, but my my My issue with Jackson again his development as a passer, and you get so excited about him it's because of his legs. Yeah, the mobility. There's a lot of accuracy issues there that I question. I like

Jackson too. I think he If I'm Jacksonville and I'm picking in the late first round, that's who I'm taking. Lamar Jackson. You add that quarterback to that offense, that'd be a lot of fun. Which Jacksonville. All right, Well, let's hello Jacksonville. Let's get let's get nuts here and really and Turtle's question right here. Yeah, if Mayfield or Lamar was there at nineteen. See what I'm hoping is that happens. So I can use that as trade bait.

You want somebody coming up get me? Yeah, Jacksonville, you're at twenty six, you can have nineteen if you give me this. Yeah, I'm down with that. And but should you give more credence to take in that guy? I mean, I feel good about Dak Prescott, but I can't sit here and say he had the best season of his life. So much silence right now. I just need to put

more talent around Dak Prescott. I agree, that's that's the reason why I thought, if there was regression on Dak Prescott, and that's all our shows on our platforms here, Yeah, that's a you know, if there was gonna be regression from Dak Prescott, it was gonna because the people around him weren't going to play well enough. We saw that this year. I would use that. I would try to get out of that and use that quarterback to get me more picks. That's what I would do this with

Dak Prescott, your quarterback. I'm gonna go at you here for a second. You went thirteen and three two years ago. There's no reason why you can't do that again with if you make some certain changes on the on this roster, you can go thirteen three, twelve and four. You can win in the vision. Don't you have enough picks? Don't you really? I mean, when you look at what you have with your compensatories, don't you have enough picks? I

don't think helped this, right, I don't think. I know, And that's and that's a that's a former ust me. I know, I know everybody wants pick. I know the Browns just fired Sashi Brown, But like, I don't think the strategy was wrong. You just gotta pick the right players. Yeah, the problem was it won one game out of thing. You gotta pick, You gotta pick the right players. You gotta you gotta get those picks and then draft Deshaun Watson when he's sitting in your lap. But that's the

thing is. People give Sashi Brown a lot of credit for the Browns having the fourth pick this year, but in reality, that should have been to Shaun Watson. So you gotta you gotta pick the player. Which, hey, if the guy's there, if if a dude's there, I'm not. If a guy's there that you love at nineteen, then just do it. But Calvin Ridley quant Smith, Sure, but I love the idea if if you don't have a better choice than what I mean, what would Wow, we're

getting you take Ridley over? We're getting in the myth, We're getting in the weeds. Yes, you would? You take really over Smith? I think so? I think really would just be the ideal pick for this team. Yeah, his fit, the impact, the ripple effect, I don't think I see this. I know I'm saying that that's people are gonna keep falling in love with these guys who I don't think will be there him. We gotta have more names. Yeah,

I mean, I tweeted this out yesterday. I will say this about really, I do not think it's as far fetched as people think. Just because he's an older guy, that'll hurt him. And he's one hundred and ninety pounds soaking wet. He's not a big guy, and I think that teams might be scared off by that a little bit. You know, he's not even a Mariy Cooper when you talk about size, because he's very lean, and that could

leads some Durham he does, and that's why place. Yeah, but I'm saying that size and the age could be a reason why he's still available in the mid first round. I think it's possible. I don't think do you think he's gonna go top ten? No? Okay, so we're down to nine picks. I think I think I think he goes somewhere tweet. I think if he's there at fifteen,

that's only four picks you're trying to move up. I am again, I think Calvin Ridley would be the ideal fit for what this team needs to return this offense to being a top ten offense. And you know what, do you do with Terrence Williams. I don't care. Just get Calvin Ridley on my team. He's your Z from day one, and he helps. He helps Dez, he helps Dak, he helps, he helps everybody. Yeah, okay, Melvin wants to know who are you most excited to see in the

Senior Bowl. I believe the rosters don't officially come out until next week, but yeah, there's still plenty of announcements. They're still tweaking because this is, unfortunately the time where we hear players pull out, play players, you know, injuries, whatever. Baker mayfields when I'm a little worried about he got beat up against Georgia. He's a competitor, we know that, but he doesn't really need to be there at the Senior Bowl. He's already the top wide or top senior quarterback. Uh,

it would be great to see him there. I hope he goes, especially considering the offense he was in in Oklahoma and the offense the coaching he'll get the Senior Bowl could be really beneficial for him. So I hope he is there. But again, he got banged up in the semifinals. One of these surprises if he pulls out for me. I think you have to look at Josh Allen. You know he mentioned earlier quarterback from Wyoming. He has said over and over he wants to playing the Senior Bowl.

It looks like he will and it's gonna be a big week for him. He's there, there's gonna be a lot of us and oz when he steps out on the field, his big six five, two forty pound frame, and then when he lets go of the ball, it's it's special. It's whistling. Oh yeah, it's it's really impressed. I mean, Derek Carr, Matthew Stafford, I'm talking that type of arm strength. And so in a practice setting, Josh Allen really has a chance to impress a lot of people.

Now it's practice and he's gonna be dealing with wide receivers he's never thrown to, and so we'll see how that works out. But Josh Allen's gonna be one of those He's one of those mysteries that we have to try and figure out the next few How about if it's sticking on the quarterback theme real quick, Mason Rudolph and then Falk Luke Falk, I don't I'm not a big fan of either captain's like, no, Mason Rudolph, he's brace petty to me. Cody Kessler, well, Luke Falk, Yeah,

he's got a rubber arm, and Kevin Kevin Hogan. Yeah. We talked a lot about all those quarterbacks at the Senior Bowl a couple of years ago. Winston Dak were like the only good ones that turns out? Um, where did I go? Bill? Wait, Okay, this is interesting to me, especially, Um, this is a potential Cowboys need. Bill points out lots of college tackles moved to guard in the NFL. Zach Martin, Brandon Sheriff come to mind, and you guys like that

in this year's class. Yeah, guy to watch tonight. You know, we can talk about him a little more and a little bit. But Isaiah Wynn left tackle for Georgia. I think he's a starter starting NFL guard, a guy that you can probably get in the third round. I'm a big fan of his. I think he's gonna make that transition very well and be be a long term Menphal starter. Yeah. I'm just kind of looking at just uh, just guys, and I've looked at that. The Brandon Smith from Auburn. Yeah,

good player. Yeah, and yeah, I just played a little tackle. They tackle he was. He played when they did unbalanced line. Yeah, he was a lot. He did that a lot. So he was a guy that played tackle. But he was. But he's at a he's at a guard. I need to go through these, uh, these underclassmen kind of tackles and think about it. I'll give you another one. Austin Corbett from Nevada left tackle, who I like a lot. I think believe he's a senior Bowl guy, so I

think he's gonna make the transition to guard. So Isaiah Win Austin Corbett two college tackles to keep in mind for that move to guard. There you go. We already talked about Calvin Ridley a little bit. Roderick wants to know two of the other darlings for the Cowboys at nineteen right now, like Vita Via or Roquan Smith More. I like Roquan Smith more. Yeah with ya, it's Bey. Excuse me, You're gonna get seduced by the traits. He's so much fun to watch. Yeah, you know you haven't

seen Smith, have you? I mean you've only seen seen I've seen Smith on TV, Yeah, not tape. Yeah, I don't know if I've seen a player like Vea before have I mean, at three hundred forty pounds, the athleticism, the power, just that combination is just rare. Yeah, we don't see it very He's a he's a unicorn. We don't see it very often. And so you know, you get very you get seduced by those traits and you know, you think Kaladi Nada or you think, you know, he

could be this big impact player. I just don't see the technique to discipline the motor on a consistent basis. And it's tough when you're playing every snap and you know you're asked to play nose and end and you're moved all over. So if he has a more stable home in the NFL, if you you know, if the Cowboys draft him and he's your you know, your one technique, your nose, then you know, maybe it's a little more

more consistency. But I still think he's there's better traits there than a well rounded football player, and that worries me. And now I'd still take him in the first round at some point because the traits are that enticing. But at nineteen, give me real Quan Smith over veil. Yeah, I would do that too. I think that you you you can get more even even though Smith might not initially play for you. I mean, I mean, or get on the field, or however you want to do it.

I think he's just too too valuable of a guy. Even though Vya Dange's right about him though, But man, that is some impressive stuff watching him. He uses other players to make if you would watch, if you watch people, you just take the Stanford game and again, defensive tackle from washing Ursity, Washington. You watched the Stanford game and they tried double team him and he they tried chip, they tried to hit him with a back, they hit, They throw a guard at him. He just he just

throws the guard aside. The full back comes at him, he just throws the full back to the He throws one to the right, one to the left, and makes the tackle right there on Love. I mean, that's just he's that kind of guy. I mean, he is a force force inside, which and I feel like we talked about this, but it's a big talking point to Aaron.

Aaron wants to know will the Cowboys changed their draft philosophy and even look at a defensive tackle at nineteen and that's I mean nothing, it could you know, now, nothing is impossible. If you get wiped out. If you get wiped out and say the say the receiver that Dane wants is not there, say Smith's not there, you might be on the very end of your last first round guy. Remember last year when they got down into it, the last first round guy they had was the running

back from Florida State, Dalvin Cook, Right, Alvin Cook. They weren't going to take Calvin Cook, but that was their last guy. Let me ask you, is Malie Collins cemented at a position right now? No? He looked better at the one than he did the three. Do you think they have a preference of where to play him. I think they'd like to play him at the one, and

so I mean that that'll be a big question. So if a one is there, do you yeah, I just think, well, I think it's not cemented because we don't know what's going to happen with David Irving like right now, I mean, you don't know what you're starting defensive line looks like right now. Obviously that'll change. No, I would hope that they play Collins in the best place for him. Sure in yea of what what just the bodies that they have you think? But he was so good at three

all through his rookie year. Yeah, is it possible that is no, No, he played the one is rookie year? It was? It was? It was, Yeah, McLain played the three. Oh you're okay? Wow, I already forgot about Darrell mcclin. Yeah that's so anyway, Yeah, it's I don't know if the philosophy will change, but it might change if it got down to the to the like, Okay, who is the most and the stack on the stack? How do they have the stack? If all talked about that today

in the mail back. If all of this is the case, they need a three more than they need a one. Yeah, yeah, really, And there's some really good there's some really good ones this Yeah, there's a lot of ones this draft. I mean, that's the best. The best three I saw was Hurst so far. Yeah, Michigan, Michigan three, it's the best. I mean him Wilkins, Clemson, that'll be a guy we'll see tonight. Would you take him at nineteen Hurst? Would I would consider? Yes?

Oh yeah, I sure would freaking do it. I got it. That's another Michigan guy. It's always been. It's always been the nose tackle that they don't want a draft. Yeah, I mean I think they would take an under tackle and in the first round if there was one, I think so too. If I'm the Cowboys. I mean, I've said this before. I just list the top nineteen players in this draft that you would love to see in a Cowboys uniform, right, and you're guaranteed to get one

of them. Yeah, I mean it's I know, I mean because it doesn't always match up on like you know, you're board and yeah, you know, just nineteen players you would love to see. Stack. That's what the stack does. I mean, you put them in order of how you would take them, and that's how it works, all right, we u I okay a break. Appreciate you folks. I was one, Um okay here it come back and we get this break up. Okay, Yeah, and then we'll come back. We'll do this spreak real quick. And now I'll let

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being part of this show. Do a lot of work with them. If you want to come see the Cowboys play next year, make sure you check out my guys at Star Sports Tours. Okay, um, I want to get into in our remaining minutes here the draft. We get a national championship game tonight. In all sec affair, real quick, I did one? Well you did? I'm sorry, No, you're fine. I just Mimi asked, and it's hard to answer this right now before we know about compics, but she asked

how many picks did the Cowboys have? And as of right now, I think you can probably count on them having nine. Yeah, so you had you had a loud usually seven. You're gonna lost them in fifth. You traded a fifth to get Xavierwood to draft year's draft, which

they did because they knew they were going to have compisms. Yes, they're probably gonna get compics for Ron Leary, Barry Church and Brandon carr If I had to guess, I don't know about Mo claiborne, and to doubt it because deal wasn't super big, right, and ideally you hope that Leary pick is a third, yeah, ideally, yes, and then maybe a fourth and a fifth or two fifths. Those tend to be at the back end of the draft or the back end of the round, or at the end

of the round back into the round. And this year you can trade them, right, I would, so I would. That would be interesting to see how that. I would guess they're gonna have nine picks. You hope for two thirds, but just to be on the safe side, I would say two fourth and a fifth maybe, or two fourths and a sixth. It's never as good as you hope it is. You know, I've never figured that out. How

they They don't know nobody. They just kind of a DeMarco Murray only fetched them a fourth which turned into Dak Prescott. To be fair, but you would think that the NFL offensive player of the year would get you a better pick than thirty five I got you. But anyway, so nine picks, I think. Let me ask you this, Dame Brugler, as we sit down tonight and we all kind of have an idea about Nick Chubb and you know,

Sony Michelle and guys like that. You know and Smith, you know all the Alabama guys, you know, you know, we could get into those guys. But who are some of the guys that you know down the line. There's some down the line, I mean, and you could get again if you want to talk about some of the guys that you know that we need to watch. The Alabama safety, you know that kind of the you know,

the corner Fitzpatrick. I'm all for that, but just kind of go through, let's talk about some of these guys on bow teams tonight that you know might play their way into into some some higher draft talk. Well, it's kind of hard to talk about these two players or these two teams without talking about high draft picks because yet of them are right, that's how impressive these rosters are. And we talked about the Alabama secondary, We've talked about

Minca Fitzpatrick likely a top ten pick. Corner free Seefe. You haven't moved from that at all, have you that? That's when I saw that on Twitter, you said, Hey, I'm not moving out of that. No, he's the top five player in this draft. That will not change for me. Um unless time you're gonna play at corner. I like in my corner where you know, use that size at speed, the technique, the instincts. It's it's similar to the Jalen Ramsey situation where he's played free safety's played nickel. He's

played a little bit of everywhere. Yeah, but the impact and the just the value as an outside corner, I think Trump's everything. So I like Fitzpatrick on the outside, but I think you'd just be just as valuable at free year Nickel. Ronnie Harrison. We've talked about the strong safe for Alabama, Anthony Averett, the corner for Alabama. I think we've talked about it's the other player in that secondary, the other corner, Levi Wallace, who really grabbed my eye

this year. And you know you watch Alabay and its number. It was a thirty nine out. And he's a former walk on, which you rarely hear about at Alabama, a guy that is really really a self made player. He's put himself in this position, very tough, very quick. The long speeds a question mark, he can get beat deep, but the toughness, the instincts, his timing and coverage is very good. So I think Levi wall is definitely a player to watch. But when you look at the matchup.

These are two teams that like to run the ball, and with Jalen Hurts on one side of quarterback and from the troop freshman at quarterback for Georgia, where it's not going to change. We're gonna see both these teams want to set the tone with a run game, and that's Nick Chubb Sony Michelle for Georgia, and it's both. Who has the advantage there running the football? Well, I

think it's we're just talking in a vacuum. I would lean towards Georgia right with better pro prospects, don't we feel like, Yeah, I really like Damian Harris, But I feel like the two at Georgia overall are better than the two at Alabama. But when you factor in, you know what defenses they're going up against, the fact that Georgia has to run into this Alabama defense, that's the

big question mark. And now Alabama has been down some of their linebackers with injuries, but it's still that's the way that Nick Saban wants to play the game, control the ground game on offense and on defense, and I think they'll be able to do it, meaning that From's gonna have to put the ball up in the air going to Javon Wims at outside wide receiver. Whims celebrated himself, helped himself a lot former Juco kid. He's got a hoop's background, really athletic, long lean h We're gonna see

a lot of back shoulder throws. That's Georgia likes to do. So it's we're gonna at some point a quarterback's gonna have to make a play, and that play could being the difference in this game. I think everyone wants to give Alabama the edge just because they've been there, they have that experience. Uh, and you know the Nick Saban effect. I like Georgia close, I'm gonna give them the edge. I mean, twenty seven, twenty fourth type of game. I hope you're I hope it's that entertaining. Yeah, I was

just watched. I mean, I mean, I know, you know he watched playoff football all weekend and got disgusted. No, yesterday's games were I mean, okay, Jacksonville Jacksonville Buffalo wasn't great, but the Saint the Saints game was great and the Sean Payne decided to go for it on fourth and two. I was stupid. The Falcons Rams game was at least entertaining, if not close. Um, who do you like? I mean, who do you mean not? I just get the game. I'm just saying those layers. He mentioned a lot of

players I had. I had a question for Dane I I know, I know, Clemson just beat him, and they've played a couple of classics with Clemson, but they had transcendent quarterback play. I just I've seen too many of these games where even if the score looks close, you just never have a doubt that BAM is gonna win. I mean, the score against Clemson last week never got

out of hand. The year before that, when they played Washington in the in the semi final, the play at the score never really got out of hand, but you just knew that that the other team didn't have what it took. And I don't trust an eighteen year old kid to get the better of a Nick Saban defense.

I think fight to guess, I think Bama will win something like twenty four to third, and they're almost mirror teams, and Nick Saban knows what the next time a team out Bama's, Bama will be the first because I mean LSU did it once and it took every fiber of their being and they had to play them again and they got drilled right because in past, you know, when Alabama is lost, it's usually been to a mobile quarterback, right, the spread up tempo scheme, and Georgia's more of the

pro styles, more of what Alabama wants to do. So no, I think you're absolutely right. Um My question was, we've beaten me. We've beaten Roquan Smith into the ground already, even though this is only our second show. But there's got to be some more defenders on that Georgia defense that are looking at And I know there's one guy I don't even know if he's going to the draft. I know that he's got some baggage. Led Betters, he flashed,

he shows some stuff on that defensive line. John Atkinson knows tackle led better at defensive end, Trenton Thompson the other defensive end. Those guys are all future pros. The outside linebacker Lorenzo Carter, number seven, could have a big impact in this game because you know Jalen Hurts wants to run the ball right, so number seven, Lorenzo Carter has to be able to play contain, but also get

after the quarterback and make him move his feet. That you know, the Alabama passing game is not He's not going to beat you. But we want that guy at nineteen, right, the wide receiver, the fact that he's had the career

he has with the quarterback. Sure, you say, the guy from the same thing, the guy in Atlanta and Julio had I know, like I know, Greg McElroy and John Parker Wilson, Like ye, John Parker Wilson, they were better passing, great name, they were better passing quarterbacks than than Jayleen her That's true. I was straight up. I was kind of trolling you there a little. Yeah. I mean, no, you're right about led better and just long arms balanced,

You're right about the baggage. But if he is he gonna make a decision or is he definitely going back to school doesn't make a decision. Okay, So we'll see what decision he makes. And Alabama's got plenty of guys, and you make a decision. To Ron Payne, if he comes down, he could be a first round those tackle um, what other mean, con Fitzpatrick, we expect to come out. Ronny Urson, we expect to come out. From the perspective of a Cowboys fan, I'm just looking at the defenses

in this game. I mean, okay, Calvin Ridley makes a lot of sense, but like a Sony Michelle in the third round, if if he falls that far, sure I thought I think of him as like a second round Well I do too, but with the so many running backs, you know, if possible if Sony Michelle is there when the Cowboys picking the third by all means, But like

Nick Chubb, I don't expect to be there. Honestly, Calvin Ridley, I don't expect to be there or or nor do you need Nick Chubb for that matter, Damien Harris, I mean, okay, whatever. I just there aren't a lot offensive players in this game that really concern me for the Cowboys. There's a ton of defensive talent that I'm like, yeah, they could use that. Let's look at that about Evans the linebacker. I mean he said about him with the senior that's

Alabama linebacker thirty two. I can ask them about him a lot, and That's what I'm saying. Yeah, answer every time is I need to see him a senior Bowl just because I need to see him outside of that Alabama system with what he's asked to do. He's asked to primarily come downhill, he'll put his hand on the ground and yeah, I mean you'll see him rushing more to night than probably anything, don't you think? Good chance? Yeah?

And so I want to see him in space. I want to see him cover running backs on a consistent basis. And we'll get that at the Senior Bowl. We'll see him in space. And so I have the drills and stuff. I wanted to see that before I make any final decisions at Evans. I like him. He's a really good player. Yeah, I just his evaluation to this point is it's a little incomplete for me. Were we wrong about Ruben Foster last year? In what context? Just where, how late he went,

how beat up he was, all that stuff. I'd have to go listen to the show again. But I don't think they're not wrong. I'm just saying I don't think anybody on the show said he wasn't a good no, no, no. I think as a scouting community where we were, we were quick to dismiss him because we always talk about the Alabama linebackers always beat up. You have to see him blah blah. But I mean I'm not doing blah

blah blah because of you. I'm just saying, as as amazing as he looked through year one, hadn't that hasn't that criticism kind of held up. I mean, he's he's gotten hurt. So we had an all through training camp. He he felt me with various happened at the seat, at the at the combine, the whole thing. The off the field. I'm not I'm not an ex spot. You know. I haven't been following him closely, but it seems like every two or three weeks he was on the injury report. No,

he's banged up in that game against thele to play. Yeah, So I don't think talent was ever the question. It's just trying to manage the off field indurability. So and that's something that I think the forty nine ers will have to do through the duration of his contract. Yeah. Having said that, I'd like to have him right now. Wait, based on what's going off the Cowboys linebackers and where he fell, taking him at twenty eight might not have

been the worst idea, not a bad idea at all. Hey, Ken't I know we got a couple of minutes left. Do we have any calls. Yeah, we got Brian and Waco again. Brian go ahead. Hey, hey, pleasure list and

you gentlemen this morning. I have a quick question for you one or chief guys have thought about this um since Dallas is hosting the draft this year, do you kind of see you know, Jerry being the eternal optimist that he is, you can kind of see him being more likely to take riff and move up in the first if a Calvin Ridley's maybe you know, four or five, maybe six spots ahead, I can I can kind of see that's where he might would move up in the first be more willing to maybe move up again him

a third. Just kind of want to make a big splash for the hometown team. I just kind of want to get your thoughts on that. Appreciate it, Thank you. I would hope if he's and hey, they have not done a lot of moving up there last I mean since Travis Frederick and that was a move back I think the last time they traded up in the first round. Yeah, they did it for right, they did it for Moe, and they did it for Dez. So that's two. That's twenty ten and twenty twelve, so it's been a little while.

I would hope if he does that it's because it makes sense and not because he wants to appease people watching the draft at the stadium. That's just it. Yeah, I mean, you want to make do what's best for the team and the roster and making this franchise better, not whole letting your emotions hold you captive to make a decision for you know, one weekend. Yeah, and you know to that. I know the draft wasn't here, but if that was their game, Johnny Manziel would have been

a cowboy. Yeah, So I don't worry about that. But like I mean, we talked about it earlier in the show. If yeah, if Calvin Ridley is there fifteen and the price isn't too high and it makes sense, by all means, do it because it makes sense for your team. We need to investigate that too. We need to get a lot more names. I mean, I feel like, yeah, we like set locked in on nine but nineteen, but we need to get some more. We need a wider net. Yeah, we do it. We'll get there. We will get there.

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