Draft Show: Under The Radar Picks

as April is here. It's a Thursday edition of the Draft Show here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, as always presented by Miller Lite. We're so glad you've been along with us throughout the ride. This is crazy. This is episode number thirty two since we started this journey back in December, so it's been quite some time together and we're mixing and matching the cruise. We've got David Hellman in studio here at the SWBC Mortgage Studios, and we've got Katie and Bucky Brooks on for the same show

for the first time this year. But gentlemen, we all just kind of have to look at Bucky Brooks background and say he wins because I mean, goodness, gracious, he's got the bookshelves, he's got everything working. I know it's draft month, Bucky, but it's it's not that serious to where you have to go from your your your background to that. I mean, you don't have to outdo us like that. I mean a little moonlighting. So here at a Filmpdia's studios and so yeah, I got a nice backdrop.

It looks like my home office is all of a sudden a new decorps. Katie. You're trying to keep up, I think at this point right oh absolutely, It's it's pretty wild. I'm kind of tripping out because I always see Bucky on TV like all the time. Like I was like, oh, all right, new show Bucky this week. This is awesome. But Bucky's like, all way, Bucky might be on TV behind me right now. Like it's a good bit doing something and it's pretty incredible, you know, Dave.

I saw Kyle Kyle, you were doing play by play of the unt basketball games and the Comfort USA Tournament. I was like, all these people I work with you are doing cool things and then spare then there's me. No, no, I'm with you, man. I'm just alternating between the studio and my couch. That's I'm laughing at Kyle because he's like, it's it's Draft month, it's getting close, and I'm like, we gotta do this for another month yet, Like I'm

I mean, I love the draft, don't mistake me. But like I'm reaching that point in the process where, you know, we've been talking about this since before New Year's and now like everybody else is jumping into the into the pool, like all the casuals, if you will, the casuals now, you know, free agency's over and everybody's got to take now. And I'm just like, I don't want to hear it from y'all, Like leave the draft to the draft people,

and y'all go worry about something else. See. And that's the fun part about it is because most of the listeners to this show have been with us since de sim I'm not talking to you if you're listening to the Draft Show. If you're listening to the Draft Show, you're good. I'm talking to like, you know, like we just National TV is just that all these pro days. Yeah, my Twitter timeline is full of people that are like, oh, this this Kyle Pitts guy seems talented and like oh

really tell me more. Come on all right anyway, ran see. And that's the good part about being in the position that we're in is because we we have we want people to come and be a part of the draft nation, right like you want people to come in and be a part of the deep draft analysis that we have.

And at the same time, there's gonna be names that they've never heard of on Draft Day that we're gonna be like, Oh, yeah, I've loved that guy since November like that, that's been a guy that we've really been tabbed. But Kat came up with a great idea in our group message, and we want to give love to the guys who haven't necessarily gotten that same kind of love. Not necessarily a Day three pick. We're not necessarily talking about guys that are that are lower tier players like

these sleepers, these pet cats. We're talking about guys who are really really good players but maybe don't get the pub as we talk about maybe a Kyle Pitts or any of the guys that are on the Draft magazine that you can also get on Dallas Cowboys dot com plug but any of those guys that you may not hear us talk about a ton, but we definitely deserve to talk about So, Katie, I know you've got a name already lined up or a couple names already lined up.

How about you start us off. Tell me about a guy that's been under the radar in terms of talking about them, but it's definitely not under the radar in terms of the talent that he brings. Yeah. No, no, I've got a few names that. Look, I think some of these guys might even be household names, or at

least to those who follow the draft quite closely. And I know that we don't talk about running backs a ton, especially when the Cowboys are kind of set it running back, but we do cover the entire draft here of the Draft show as well, And like I know, Javontay Williams from North Carolina is awesome and some of the most fun tape I've ever watched. And you just don't hear people talking about a much unless you get into a deep,

you know, running back discussion. And I just think javont Williams from North Carolina needs to be talked about more because that guy's awesome. I know, my part of it might be because he's Michael Carter, you know, his buddy at North Carolina is getting some shine too, and he's a heck of a runner in his own right. But I just think Javonta Williams is special, and I'm not sure people were talking about him like that. Would you guys agree at all? You know, here's the funny thing.

Haven't gone to North Carolina watched all the games this year. It's remarkable that this was a guy that was more of a walk on candidate. He's a guy to play linebacker primarily in high school, he was valedictorian. He had offers from the likes of Harvard and Yale, and yet he ends up at North Carolina and he becomes this beast. And so when you look at him and Michael Carter, Javonte Williams push the ball into pain And to me, he's a quintessential prototypical number one running back that can

run it. He can do an inside and outside. He has bursts, he can go with power or finest, and he can catch the ball out of the backfield. I think his best game is at the next level because I think he is an NFL running back when you look at him. That raises an interesting question, and I love the concept of this is like, we're definitely not talking about sleepers. No, we're talking I mean, he's going to be the first or second running back drafting, But

Naji Harris is a much more well known name. And yeah, I'm curious how y'all compare those two because I think any you know, anybody that follows college football or the draft knows about Naji and maybe not Williams. So I'm just curious. It's interesting because I think you start with running backs now, and as we've gone down this path over the past few years of I mean, I think

devaluing the running backs a little too harsh. But maybe when it does come to draft inventory, I feel like you don't see the Cowboys maybe one of the last teams to draft running back in the top five, Like, you may not see this a ton moving forward. I was started thinking the other day. I was asking myself, are we talking about, like if I had to do the prop bet thing, are we talking about one and over under one and a half running backs drafted in

the first round? That probably the number, But running backs they think are an excellent pick in the first round for those teams who were close and have a good roster and are picking on the back end of the first rateity. I mean, we saw it last year. Kansas City took Clyde Edwards Hilaria of LSU and unfortunately he got hurt. But you know, I was I was like kind of shocked to see a team like Green Band when they signed Aaron Jones, so they were picking at thirty.

I was like, you can kind of just pop it on the running back right there, not that Aaron Jones. You know, do you pay your guys who you think are good players. But I said, though, it was really interesting that we might be looking at a draft with maybe just one running back take it in the first round this year, maybe two depending on who I was etn as well, And I just kind of think Javonte Williams deserves to be in that discussion with Harris and

Eten personally. You know, KT is funny because I think when you talk to people inside, they believe Javontay Williams is not only in that discussion, but there's some that believe he is number one in that discussion, and so it wouldn't be a surprise if he does come off the board before Naja, Harris and Etienne. I think to

think about Naja Harris. I actually feel like, even though Naja Harris has talked about, I feel like his game is underappreciated because most and most times, or maybe in old school football, when you see someone of his size who can run with power, who also can go outside and catch the ball. We were talking about him like we used to rave about Levyan Bill in his prime, because I see Naja Harris not as a Levyan Bill

player in terms stylistically, He's more like Matt Forte. But he's still talking about and RB one wide receiver two, someone who can maybe put up twelve to thirteen hundred rushing yards and also give you seventy five to eighty catches if you want to utilize him in that and that life. Now, Bucky, do you think that's kind of a direct correspondent with how the running back position is going in today's NFL. Because he's a hell of a player.

I mean, you look at any college football game and any time that he was on the field, he was dominant. I mean, he goes out and he's just a physical freak. Like you said, his versatility as a receiver along with being a tailback is something that teams are going to value whenever he gets to the NFL. But is it just because of the running back position, maybe the shelf life,

maybe things like that. In the way that the NFL game is going that kind of devalues the way that we talk about Najia Harris from a draft standpoint, well, I think I think the drumbeat has gotten loud on the outside, Like when you have what they call him, the nerds or the quants talking about the analytics will say that you can get a running back anywhere. I

believe it's really this. It depends how you want to build your team, because I would say it's better to draft the running back in the first realm, but never pay him after that original rookie deal, meaning draft him, signed him on franchise tags, and extended that way because that's the most cost effective model. The other thing people are doing is because they've seen the Shanahan's have success

kind of finding running backs anywhere and everywhere. There's a belief that you can find those guys anywhere and everywhere. The true sweet spot were running backs the second and third round. If you look at the majority of the Pro Bowl players, they've come from the second and third round when it comes to the running back position. You know another player that I have in this boat of you know, guys that I think deserve to get a

little more pub nationally. You know, I think we've seen him as a good player, and this will kind of get Cowboys fans involved because they don't need a cornerback. But Eric Stokes of Georgia. I really like Eric Stokes of Georgia. Only sixteen receptions allowed last year and the longest passing gave up was eighteen yards. And I know part of maybe this might be kind of the Javonte Williams thing and that he's got a teammate who's gonna

get drafted at the same position, Tyson Campbell. But I think Eric Stokes needs to be talked about a lot more because I really don't think he makes it to forty four where the Cowboys picking the second round. I love that thought process because that's on it. Like when you told me this idea, that's and I'll get to a guy that I want to talk about in a sec but you know, you just kind of get sidetracked

in the conversation. I mean, and rightfully so. With all these great cornerbacks that are available to you at the top of the draft. But I wonder if sometimes we get tunnel vision with the idea like locking in on that tenth pick, and it's like, I mean, you're picking in the top fifty in the second round, like they're going to be really good prospects available and a few corners.

I mean, I've brought up Tyson Campbell on you know, with Bucky and Brian more times than I can count, so I won't do it here, but both of both of those guys honestly underrated players, multi year starters in the SEC. And yeah, I think that's that's the only worry there is. He might be so good that he

doesn't even last to you in the second round. Well kind of interesting too because we talk about guys like Elijah Molden, Greg Newson, Tyson Campbell, and we kind of mentioned those names on in multiple times, but Stokes is one of the guys that kind of gets left out. So, Katie, whenever you're talking about Stokes, what's different about him to wear Cowboys fans? If he were to be a pick at forty four, what would get you excited about it?

I have him as my fifth rated corner, but I want to hear what you have to say about what he brings. That's a little bit different than maybe some of the guys we have mentioned. No, no, absolutely, And I think first of all, his speed stands out. We didn't need to see his pro date time to know that he's fast, true, very fast player. I think with him, you do. He might be a little and I think slight maybe maybe too negative of a word, but you would like him maybe to get off blocks a little

bit better on the outside and things like that. Like I don't think he is a bad tackler. I think he tries, but I wouldn't, you know, call him a good tackler either, And that's very important to me when building a team, is you know, tackling getting the guys to the ground. But I think he just does a really good job of anticipating routes and things like that. We know the straight line speed is there. I think he showed that he's able to fight through traffic when

he's carrying a man across the field. Again, the Tyson Campbell traits do jump out and you go, WHOA, I see it. But I think Eric Stokes is a little better, more polished corner right now. And maybe even a safer pick if you want to say that. I think Eric Stokes looks very qualified and prepared and does a good job of playing the ball down the field and things like that and finding the ball, and I really, you know,

kind of value that. And you know, again, it's not like he's a like we're talking about this guy like he's a sleeper or anything, because I think we're talking about ten cornerbacks that go in the top sixty. I think that's very possible. Yeah, and I think he deserves to be one of those first few guys. I think.

I mean, I've got him his cornerback four, so you know, this is this is where it kind of gets a lot of fun I have admittedly dropped Farley because of the back thing, but I think Eric Stokes, I feel like he's kind of flying under the radar. Are a tad because, like you said, we're talking about Molden. We talked about him all the time. Aaron Robinson might be another guy from Central Florida that maybe it's kind of

getting glossed over a little bit. Yeah, I think it's funny when we look at these cornerbacks right the depth in this year's class to me wide receiver, running backs, and cornerbacks. I believe that if you need those guys, that you could bypass those positions in the first round and get comfortable value in the second and third rounds and a lot of it. As it relates to the Cowboys, you know, we've kind of been pigeonholding the thinking that

they have to take a corner at ten. But really, when we think about this system that dan Quinn is bringing in, it's a cover three system. It's really a zone system with some man stuff or whatever. So how much value do they put in that position in terms

of draft capital? Can you find someone who has long range you with ball skills in the second and third round that command that and maybe you use that tenth pick to get a pass rusher, to get a a playmaker on offense and office alignment or whatever that is. I do want to internally how it stacks in the war room the priority positions. Yeah, and we've kind of I mean, that's been the debate that we've had. I

think around this show and around the building. Is is it okay to be pigeonholed for a corner at ten? Is it okay for that? But I mean I don't think it's okay to be pigeonholed anywhere whenever it comes to the drafts, especially with a premium pig. Yeah, but I mean you just are always looking at where the value lines up, and that's and so I want to bring this guy up because you know, we talk about dbs, we talk about tackles, tight ends, and I think I

don't want to speak for everybody. I've talked about this on Twitter a lot, like, is there is there a pass rusher at ten that you would feel great about the Cowboys drafting? No? I don't know. So yeah, Bucky, do you agree? Now? I don't. I don't think there's one word be in a top ten s election, So okay, and I so we're all in agreement there. So now I'm thinking where might you be able to find one? And that's where this guy comes back into play. He's

definitely like he's a known name. And I feel like this happens every year we zero in on the Senior Bowl guys. We get really excited about the Senior Bowl guys, but the vast majority of the best prospects are not They're underclass so we get distracted by all of these other great underclassmen players and the Senior Bowl guys kind of fall by the wayside. And that's how I'm feeling about Carlos Basham right now, because I thought he's one of the first things we mentioned. He was he was

in the first group of players that we mentioned. But have we talked about him a lot ever since? Probably not. No, he bullied Trey Smith at the Senior Bowl, Like I thought, he looked really good in the practice footage that I was able to watch from my couch. I didn't get

to go to Mobile this year. And then he shows up at his pro day, and I know you can't completely trust these times and things at pros because it's not electronic, but like an unofficial four or five nine in the forty had a nice three cone thirty four inch vert, Like I feel like the book on this guy was that he's like a try hard guy, but not a super good athlete. The numbers are athletic, The

numbers seem to disagree with that. So now I'm sitting here thinking like, could this be a really nice pick to make it forty four if he even lasts that long.

You know, the funny thing is I can't really understand why Boogie Basham has not been talked about more is one of the conversations that I've had with people like and for whatever reason, the love on the streets hasn't been out there as heavy as you would like to think, because last year, when I looked at him, when I thought he was coming out, I thought the dude was like one of the best that I've seen in terms of his hand skills and being able to make it

happen turning speed in the power and then when you think about the versatility, the twitch, the fact that he not only is explosive with twitch but also as a high mortar guy, there's a lot to like about him. And so I can't understand why he is underrated and not really discussed as one of the top guys because all the things that you look at, you just check off all the boxes he would he should be someone that we talk about as a first round prospect, but

we're not. I agree, And that's another name like I'm That's why I wanted to do this exercise, because I mean, he's a guy. I think if you're picking at forty four where the Cowboys are, he's a guy you might circle and go, you know what, let's let's spend some inventory and let's move up because he's not getting to you at forty four. I don't I don't see that happening. I would be I would be shocked if that happened. And that's right, kind of go okay, well how far

does he fall? Do you want to get up to the mid thirties? And that would you know, that would cost you a little bit. That might cost you your third round pick or maybe cost you your your second third round pick at pick ninety nine. You kind of jumped those together. Maybe you can get up into the thirties and maybe he's there. So that's a that's a name of that you brought up, Dave. That's this is

a success story. The second idea A success story. Oh I like this because you're just sitting around talking about guys. Can you see all your ideas are good? Yeah? Or most of them? Anyway? Thank you? Now, yeah you should uh, you should tell my family that they don't tell you. Totally believe that, but yes, that's gracious. Now, yeah, did uh kind of going off of boogie basham and kind

of that edge rusher thought mentality. I mean, we've talked a lot about corners, and we've talked a lot about offensive tackles in the first round and then maybe trying to address it later on. But edge Rusher hasn't been up there. But we've also I don't know if it was on this show or if it was on any of the other shows that I do, whatever it is, but we've talked about are we sold on DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory because after that there's not a whole

lot which there's not a lot of depth there. There's not ironically, like the next best thing behind those two is Carlos Basham's cousin, ye Terrell Basham, So hey, maybe maybe we could have a family reunion. Yeah, well, and there's the addition of Basham. I know, Brent Urban might come in and play a little bit of edge, but ultimately you would like him as maybe your nose or your three technique. I mean either either way. You kind of want him in the middle of the line. But

he's your Tyrone Crawford. He's somebody who could bounce back and forth and maybe play a little bit of edge for you. However, I mean outside of Randy Gregory and outside of DeMarcus Lawrence. It's what Bradley and I and Terrell basham right now. Yeah, I feel great about Tank and Randy after that, No, it's not great. And you know, obviously Durance arnstrong. Yeah, I think things of I mean, you know, I expect Randy to be available, but the fact of the matter is I don't believe he's ever

played in sixteen games in his career. So love Randy, and I think his arrow is pointing up, but it's something you need to think about that, you know. I feel like people fall into this trap of thinking that he's an all pro and as great as he looked at times last year, I don't think he's there yet. And then I think Tank is way underrated. I think he catches a little bit too much flak from people. But yeah, he's had plenty of his own injury issues, whether it's shoulder or back, you name it. So I

would absolutely love to beef up the depth there. Yeah, they've beefed up to depth on the defensive line, but just not a lot at er, not as much as you would really like. And it's kind of been with moves that we've really anticipated. Bucky. Yeah, when I think about dan Quinn's defense. I'm really trying to figure out

who fits what role. Because you have the LEO, who is the guy that is the active he can be the undersized guy, which is more probably like Randy Gregory, but you need to have another another guy that could play that role because I don't think you can put all of your eggs in the Randy Gregory best exactly. And so Basham, you know Basham coming over for the Jets. He's a high mortar gup. He's never put up big

numbers and when it comes to sack production. So I believe somewhere in the draft they have to find another guy who can play their role as the designated pass rusher.

And so whether it's um Chris Rump from Duke or I got like Patrick Jones from Pittsburgh, there has to be someone that if they can't get a person early in the first round of the second round, it has to be someone that you can target in the third round that can give them some pass rushability and maybe outplay their draft status because they're playing in a role that is just catered to the skills that they have developed.

Right now, I'm glad you brought up Chris rump Bucky because that's a that's a fun watch right there too, just flying around the end and sometimes he can doesn't take much to push him down, but he's that guy is awesome. Um, his dad's a coach. I mean, he knows what he's doing. That's that's a good player man, good situational bass rusher. I like that him. Some of those duke guys. I mean, there's a duke tight end. Noah Gray that I know is getting a lot of pubs,

and Bucky you really liked in the Draft magazine. But I do want to talk about a tight end really quickly. And this once again might not be exactly what the

Cowboys fans are looking for right now. But there was storylines this past week about Brevin Jordan from Miami, and he brought up the storyline was the fact that at his pro day, which was a decent pro day, came out and said the Cowboys are in love with me, they love me, talking about how infatuated the Dallas Cowboys are, which kind of threw me and Dave for a loop.

We were sitting upstairs and we just kind of looked at each other and like, wait, hold up, do we need to look at tight end a little bit more here. That's my question to you guys. Do we need to look at tight end a little bit more here out of these maybe undersung prospects that we didn't necessarily talk

about previously. I will be marketing genius. I'll be one hundred percent on us with you, like please the depth of my Like I've been so fixated on Kyle Pitts that that's about where my tight end the same investigation stops. And I don't wait. So at the same time, I think two things, like, tight end is a position. Teams love to draft tight ends because like they can play

special teams, they can block a lot of things. Guy John McKeon last year played a lot of time made mckun made the roster as an undrafted free agent because of how versatile and valuably is. So with ten picks, I could absolutely see them drafting a guy. I just wonder, unless it's Kyle Pits, which we don't have to do that right now. But I just wonder how much bang for your buck you're really getting spending, you know, if you want to draft a guy like in a six

or seventh round just to make the team. Whatever. But I think Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz is a pretty damn good duo. And you know Sean mcun we haven't seen much of him, but he was good enough to make the team as a rookie. I don't see why he can't be your third. I would rather just add a cheap resource to the back end of that. Unless I would rather either like buy the Lamborghini, like just go whole, I can do it right, or just worry

about it later. That's kind of where I am. I don't know about y'all, all right, So so here's my thing, and I don't want to be negative Nancy Day, but I please do it. So so the thing with cal Pits, which I like, right like? I like cal Pits. I think he's a unique weapon and offensive playmaker in those things. However, when we've talked about these type guys being drafted early, more times than not, they've not been what we expected. So if we're going to top ten, we think about

t J. Hockinson wasn't in this category, but TJ. Hockinson at eight, we haven't got return on an investment. If you're the Detroit Lions, you go all the way back to Eric Ebron coming out of North Carolina. He was effected to be one of these guys, a jumbow wide receiver to make an impact. It hasn't happened. When you look at the All Pro players or the Pro Bowl players at the position. George Kittle was a fifth round pick. Travis Kelsey, if I'm not mistaken, was a fifth round pick.

Darren was a six round pick that was a wide receiver in college. So maybe, just maybe we should investigate the lower round guys because it appears that those are the guys that are really making it happen as opposed to the guys that we are falling in love with at the top of the board. That that is the one thing. Sorry, sorry, Katie. I'll let you real quick, go Dave, this is you. It is that's the one thing that scares me about Kyle Pitts. I mean, the

track records not great. But you always say, don't scout the helmet, and I like scout. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if it's Kyle Pitts's fault that some of those guys haven't worked out. But what do you think, Katy? Oh No, I mean, look, I think at ten I'm not interested in getting cute. I put a board together. I have a best player. I take that best player at ten now down the road, though Bucky's right to exill. First of all, let me get this out of the

way on Brevin Jordan's marketing genius. All of these kids should say the Cowboys in love with them. They could have no contact with the Cowboys whatsoever. Yes, of course, the world's most valued franchise. Yeah, they love me. Yes, smart like that makes him a good candidate. I have Rerevin Jordan is tied in four for me, and I really like Rerevin Jordan. I really like the Notre Dame kid, Tommy tremble Um. I think he is like a better

Joseph Deguara from Cincinnati. And that's probably not a household name, but Deguara I caught everyone's attention last year. Hey can use him. I just think he's better than him too. And you know, I don't know how to say his last name, but the Penn State kid Pat oh, yeah, Friarmouth. It's just a hard name to say, um, but yeah, yeah, you're right name. I don't order the Pitts thing here that that'd be what I don't want to do the

Pitts thing here. You're right, but I'd still go ahead and rip the band aid off because I just look at my personal rankings and God knows what the Cowboys are gonna have. But I do I have Pitts graded higher than Sir Tan, I do. I have Pitts graded higher than Sewell. I do. I've been scrated higher than Slater, I do. And that's where it kind of goes. You know, I'd probably gotta do it right. But that's the whole thing. Like at ten, I don't want you guys like overthinking it.

Just cheers what we got. Let's do it. We're doing it. We're all in. But you know what's gonna happen in Cowboys Country? If we start talking about day two tight ends, the words Gavin Escobar is gonna get thrown out. It's just it's gonna happen. Poor kids won't be wearing that. So, so if the Cowboys did a Day two tight end like that, poor kid didn't have a chance because the

fans were just gonna call him Gavin Escobar. I will say this, I think a lot of it depends on if the Cowboys go back into the tight end pool a lot of it to me. Will tell me if Mike McCarthy is taking maybe a bigger interest in the offense. If you go back and look at what he did in Green Bay, he was big on always having two tight ends on the field. And those tight ends were

not necessarily traditional tight ends. They were the jumble wide receiver types because they would go empty formation and make you show your hand to make the game easy for the quarterback. And I'm not saying that now because they pay Dak Prescott that they're going to justify paying him big money. But we've talked about it. We've talked about the strength of the team is the offense, and we can talk about, oh, we got to improve the defense.

But the one thing I know, if you put points on the field, you make opponents one dimensional on offense because now they're chasing points and so if they go all in on this offensive approach, I do believe adding another tight end is sensible because you want to have the ability to dictate the terms of variety of ways. Let's go eleven personnel, let's go twelve personnel. Hey, let's take all the running backs off the field. Let's go two tight ends, three wide outs. Let's see how they

react to it. How creative do they want to get with the offense? I think a lot of it depends on how Mike McCarthy viewsed his team and how he used the best course of action when it comes to winning a bunch of games. It's one of Dave's favorite things to hear, is twelve personnel depend You know what twelve personnel used to really piss me off? Yeah? I know, but why that's what I said? It may like it.

It bothers me a lot less now that I think the Cowboys have two decent catching tight end Okay, I don't. I don't even want to say his name again. But if they draft that guy, I'll like it even more. I promise sit the guy out of Florida. Yeah, that's okay, just want one that's interesting. By the way, Bucky earlier when he was like, yeah, he's a good player, Like

he's he's good. I like him, that was like probably the worst I've heard anybody ever talk about Kyle Pitts, because usually it's like this guy's so like, this guy's unbelievable, and Bucky was just, I mean, he's he's a he's a freak athlete. But what I believe most people, most play callers, don't know how to utilize the tide end. So we can talk about him being a great athlete or whatever, and there's been a conversation where hey, maybe he's a Julio Jones Megatron type that you put out

wide and he plays and those things. Most guys don't have the capacity to find or create a playbook or a game plan that really maximizes the tied end. And so I think this is where we got to scout the play caller. Does your play caller have a track record of being able to get the tied end loose? Because if he doesn't, then Kyle Pitts is a wasted

draft pick because you don't maximize who he is. We talked about North North Fan goes to Denver and he's all right, yeah, you know, like so I just want him if he's going, if he's going to be what we say he is, I just would like to see him go to a place that can utilize him and elevate him the way that his talents would suggest that he should be elevated. Another show, another draft show dominated by Kyle Pitts, which is gonna happen. I think up until I feel guilty, but at the same time I don't.

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chance to hit the sounder, let's go into Twitter. On the twenty on the Twitter, Chris Beam as always doing fantastic work in the back. So first question here, this is kind of intriguing to me, and I know it'll be intriguing to David Hellman as well. This comes from Nolan Henderson. He said, if the Cowboys like the idea of bringing in Keana'neil to play a little week sidelinebacker and some strong safety and base packages, why not target a guy like Jeremiah lusu Coamora from Notre Dame in

this draft. He was made in a lab for that type of work, and Neil is only on that one year contract. There's all every year, every year there's a guy that I absolutely love who just doesn't fit the Cowboys range. I guess, and I don't know. I go back and forth on that because I'm the guy's a great player and he can do a bunch of stuff for you. Draft him, draft him. Yeah, Like you know, people are always like, I don't know about ten, but

I'd do it at sixteen. And it's like, really like six picks is enough to get you to swing that wildly, Which we've said that on this show before two about Jeremiah. Oh, absolutely, and I understand it to some degree. But I also I think he's a hell of a player. I agree. I agree with the question completely. You know, bring him like, yeah, he could do he could do what Keyan O'Neil is here to do. Absolutely, he could like he could play some will, he could play safety down in the box.

I'm not saying you would do it a lot, but he's shown on tape that he can play in the slot and help you deal with you know, receivers and tight ends that are flexed out. And he just seems like one of those modern players to me where you don't like he doesn't have a position and he doesn't need one. And I would probably draft him at ten. I don't. I don't think the Cowboys would, but I would consider it. I don't know what about y'all. I mean,

I think he's I think he's a talented player. I think the main thing is like the measurements, like how big is he? Where do you really fit him? It's a bit like the Jeremy Chen Isaiah Simmons conversation when you talk to people in Arizona before that where does he go? Because it's great to say that someone has

this flexibility and versatil they can play linebacker. They can play safety, but at the end of the day, where do they go for their position meetings because they have to major in something before they can minor in the other things. I think for Abusko moresy a guy that can play in the box and be your linebacker in the style of defense that you want to play, I

would say in Dallas, yes, because we saw them. We saw Dan Quinn take these light linebackers in Atlanta and have success, So I think he absolutely can do it. I think the fascination with Keyan O'Neil they're trying to jump start the defense right now. You bring Kaze over, you bring in Keyan O'Neill over. You're trying to get guys on the field who don't require it's learning and we can get it and go. And I said, I think data's philosophy. So I don't know if you'll use

the tenth pick on the guy, but he's fantastic. It would get somebody off the field while while we're here. Oh yeah, interesting, No, while we're here though, him or J. C. Horne. What do you do if let's say your guys or ten and he's not there at ten, which I think could be very likely. I think that could happen Jay okay or Horn wow? Or or or Parsons Oh wow, A good another ringe. You gotta gotta make the call. You can't trade back. What are you doing. I'll take

Michael Parsons. Wow. I think I would take jac Horn. I think i'd take Horn. I think I would take Horn too. But I'm surprised, Bucky. I want you to elaborate because I'm surprised you said Parsons there. I think Parsons is a much better player than all I think if you look at it, if we go back and really look at the tape and ignore all the stuff that kind of cloud of the evaluation about like oh, they're character concerns or whatever, when you turn on the tape,

he's a dominant player. He's a top five player. If you think about the way Devin White dominates the game for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in terms of being a pass rushing inside linebacker. Michael Parsons can do all of that. The stuff that he put on display at his Pro day. And I'm not a Pro day guy, but someone two and forty six pounds running forty three nine with the stuff that he's put on tape as a pass Russia, as a guy who plays like a bull in a

china shop. You sign me up for that. And going all the way back to what he was in high school, he was a defensive end with his hand in the dirt. And so when you think about creatively how you want to maximize how we can get after the quarterback, well, that guy can do it, and so I would take him.

I think with jac Horne in the debate that I've had with Jac Horn over past or ten, j C. Horne may be an extraordinary athlete, pass or ten is a technician and a player, And depend upon where you put those guys, they gonna have different levels of success. And so at ten, I want to make sure that I don't swing and miss. I think it's less likely that I'm a swinging miss on Michael Parsons based on his skill set and what is needed in Dallas. Interesting,

you love it. That's interesting, Kat, You got out of this without offering your opinion. Dang it, it's hoping I can skate through there. No, it is interesting too when you look at what the Cowboys situations, you obviously you're drafting these guys for more than one year, but they don't have to pick up the fifth year option of Laton vander ash who has proven that he can't stay healthy. Jalen Smith, you can still get out of his contract next year. Like, it's not like he's here forever. So like,

do you get any linebacker that high? I'm not completely out on. I think I would probably tend to lean towards Parsons as well. Maybe right there you're talking about there's no doubt, and I love Jay okay, but there's no doubt. You are taking a bit of a leap of faith that he can do what you want him to do, or that you have an idea and that's

gonna work. But Parsons, there are numerous ways that he can work, and I think that's the type of thing that that would really turn beyond to him right there. And again I would it's not what I want at ten, but and I'm not huge I'm taking linebackers earlier. I'm a big fan of of circling back and getting linebackers on day two or even early day three who can kind of run and play and things like that. But I think right there at ten, if everything dries up,

no one calls to move up to ten. I'm okay with taking Parsons right there, nothing wrong with that because I want to I just want to have to don't draft a linebacker early discussion because I'm trying to figure out I was about this conversation because I've heard because I'm not I've heard not only here, but i've heard it so said I would say this about Yeah, I'll say this about linebackers and those things. I think if we go and look and look, the Pro Bowl is

the Pro Bowl. But when you look at the elites at the position, I think those linebackers are either first or second rounders. Like Darius Leonard is a little bit of the outlier because he was two hundred and ten, two hundred and fourteen poles in South Carolina State. But when you look at that linebacker position, when you have one, they change the game. I look at I mean, like we bring up White again. White has been every bit

as good as we thought. And I'm gonna say at LSU, I didn't know that he could get up to the passer like that. But when you look at the Super Bowl, when they run, they hit people and they go down immediately, and it changes the game. When you're playing coverage or whatever. Now, I will say this, if you take a linebacker in the first round and up high, they have to be able to impact the game. Not only is a run defendant, they have to be able to do something in coverage.

And if they could offer blitzability, that is that. And so we didn't talk about this guy, but the Kentucky linebacker John and Davis. Yeah, it's a name. I keep We didn't talk about him. It's a name. Ike keep hearing we did it. He popped to four three nine, And look, I hate to talk about the protect continually kind of change his thing, but just look at the tape.

He is an a linebacker that is all over the place, and no one really talks about him, like we talked about Bolten and ze Zavian Collins and those guys, and so it sounds like he's gonna be a second round pick. But wow, man, he runs fast, he makes plays in the sec. I'll just I've bet Johan Davis. I've bet John Davis goes top twenty. Because there's like, what's everyone sort of like watching his tape and stuff going oh

holy cow, wow, there it is. For some reason, it feels like a lot of the draft media community or whatever was watching Zavin Collins versus Nick Bolton. This is this feels very Vanderesh to me. I mean, no one was talking about Vanderesh top twenty back in twenty seventeen, and we got down to it and it was like, Okay, why is this happening. Uh Dane always calls an ascending prospect, and I'm like, yeah, well, he watched the tape and he's awesome. So like, I don't I got I got

no buds about that. I think Joan Davis, we're talking about him in the top twenty, top twenty five, and in three weeks, I'll just say that Bucky, we already we already did this argument month or so. No. I like, I just I look at linebacker the way that you were talking about running back, like I and hey, Devin White's amazing. If you're getting Devin White, draft, signed me up,

draft Michael Parsons. But to your point, what like, what makes Devin White valuable is that he's got freaky good coverability for a linebacker and he had nine sacks last season. So if I'm drafting you in top ten, I need I need like you know, six or more sacks to help me justify that. Whereas, yeah, but if you're not, if you're not giving me that, I'm looking at the

list just some of the best linebackers. You know, Darius Leonard wasn't a first round pick, Bobby Wagner, second round pick, Fred Warner, third round pick, de Mario Davis, third round pick, kJ Wright. You can find cowboys are supposedly talking to was pick ninety nine. I just you can find guys that can run and hit all over the place. And unless if Michael Parsons is that guy who gets you sacks and covers and tackles everything, I don't hate it, but I just I think I'd rather take my chances

drafting that guy. On Day two, somethings were talking about it and what, Yeah, I'm what I'm trying to do, and having the conversation. What I want us to do is to raise the standard in terms of what we're

doing when we're issuing out grades. So like the Michael Parsons and those guys that we're talking about top ten, I want you to think about when we use the word as top ten pick, that that is a special that is like the Holy Grill, like we don't issue that out like we may only give out three or four top ten grades when we're looking at a class. And so you're right, Devin White is special and that's why those guys have to go because they check off

all of those boxes. And so really in most draft classes, they're about eighteen to twenty two guys that are really first round picks, right, Like, that's how rare it should be when we're talking about it. The bulk of the guys are second and third round. Is that depending on where they go, they can elevate and play at a pro bowl level. But when we're putting that grade down, we should be really really stingy about handing out those first round grades because it's almost like going to a

beauty paget. You want them to not only be the prettiest person at the ball, but you want them to when the talent competition answered the big hard question, you want them to be able to check off all the boxes.

And so that is what it is. Because my other thing to this would be like, when we talk about these wide receivers, is there really a big separation between that clump of Jamarches, DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle and then separating the divide and talking about Eli Moore, Rashide Bateman and some of these other guys, Like how big is that divide? Because if we don't feel like it's that big of a divide, we should always take our wide receivers in the second and third rounds. Yeah, well,

look at the divide from last year. I mean the top three wide receivers were Ceedee Lamb, Henry Ruggs, and Jerry Judy, who were some of the vers that had the better year Justin Jefferson, Chase Claypool. I mean, there are guys that are later in the draft that are going to close that gap. Initially, now I know they're just rookies and there's a long career to be had. But at the same time, like I completely agree with you, Bucky, and that's where you have to make that decision. Whenever

it comes to linebacker, how big is that gap? As Michael Parsons j ok, are they that much better than guys that are like Baron Browning and Nick Bolton and those guys that are kind of that second tier off linebacker. Yeah, it also depends on how you play them so stylistically, like I think you guys brought up. And it's interesting, Dave, because you brought up a bunch of linebackers that play in this scheme. Yeah, so you brought up fare Warner.

This scheme is the Seattle Seahawks scheme. Bobby Wagner is the scheme. kJ Wright was also in the scheme. I think the Mario Davis was the only guy that was outside of it. So a lot of it is fit in scheme. And from a philosophical standpoint, how do you what are the job requirements from the position that really depends and so without knowing the Cowboys front office as well, I think if you can flesh that out, then you

begin to make more sense. Like, Okay, no, this is a Cowboys pick because from a philosophical standpoint, the coaching staff and the front officer are married. They want to play like this, so this is the pool that they're going to fish from. Yeah, yeah, I will say we need to do no sorry, Katie, Yeah, we probably do need to go to break we do, but go ahead.

And so it's a good change. But it is funny, like you know, when when the old coaching staff was here, we really had this thing pretty nailed, like like it was like a just following along with a map, you know, Yeah, you had you had the crump trail. Yeah, you just followed all the way through. It had partially partially because of COVID, partially because it's an all new coaching staff, like it just hasn't been as easy, which, like I said,

it's a nice change. But I do kind of miss the days where like by this point in the draft cycle three years ago, we would have been we would have been like, oh yeah, okay, it's late and Vanderesh it's taco like. So I kind of missed that, but not really. See, I think it's more fun because think about last year, and nobody thought it would be Ceedee Lamb. Now that was also just because nobody thought he would fall that far. There was a chance he would fall,

but nobody anticipated it. But even I think what throws us off more this year is because they actually took him last year because there was a chance that even if he would have fallen to seventeen, the pick still would have been Caleb on Chase on Yeah, instead they went with Ceedee Lamb, and then all of a sudden we were left guessing, now, let's go ahead and take

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Ninety six calories three point two cars for twelve ounces. Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Onto the final segment here of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. So glad you've all been along with us. David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, Kevin kat Turner, I'm Kyle Yeomans. And since we got into one whopping question hunt Twitter on the twenty, I want to ask one more question. We're bad, We're member bad at it. We were really good the last couple of weeks actually, but we got we got through

one question today. Thanks everybody for sending in your questions. So Doug Brady asked this on Twitter and it kind of made me perk up a little bit because I've been thinking about this recently with the pro day that Patrick's Urtan had, with the news of Caleb Farley. If Certan is your guy, if he is, if the Cowboys are dead set your dad set on Patrick's Rutan, do we need to talk more seriously about maybe going up

and getting him. Could you trade and this is from Doug, could you trade from ten or maybe with pick seventy five to try and get up to seven with Detroit and maybe try and pick mister Curtan at pick number seven. That a possibility, Bucky, you think, Man, I know there's a possibility him going there. Man, do do we see him like that? And I like him? I'm a pastor

ten Fano'm friends with his dad and everything. I don't know if I see him as one did I have to aggressively go up and get because when we talk about those corners like that, Jalen Ramsey should be like the bar like he's he gonna come and when he steps on the field, day one, patter, you got this side, You got this out of the field by yourself, no help. We're gonna worry everything about digs And I just don't know if he's that kind of player. So now I

wouldn't aggresively move up and make that move. So we're talking about if going up you take seventy five or maybe it was you know, ninety nine. I do think it hasn't been talked about enough and obviously still on a movement and chake and gonna happen. Lord knows what Atlanta is gonna do. Carolina can still go get aggressive and get a cornerback. But Carolina and eight is a team who could use a cornerback too. And I know we've been talking about him using the QB, but cornerback

is somewhere they can do it too. And then and then nine Denver. I mean, I know they signed Darby and Kyle Fuller, but Vic Fangio's their head coach. They still might get a little action going on cornerback there in front of us. So, like, it's an interesting concept. I agree wholeheartedly with the buck he said. I just he's not that guy for me, Like, and it's no offense to anyone. It's just I'll set it ten and I'll still get a really good player. I don't feel

like I need to give up inventory. I got. I got more work to do on defense later as well. If he was that guy, I'm okay with it. If I've got him circled and that is my guy who won't be the number one guy on my board most likely when it's time to pick, especially, he might be, but I kind of doubt it. Keep in mind too, that like trading in the top ten is a lot more expensive than trading anywhere else. I mean, you kind

of set the terms of those deals. Like, yeah, I don't remember off the top of my head, but when the Bears moved up for Trubisky, they had to pay a fortune to move one spot. Like they gave up a decent amount just to move up one spot to draft their guy. So it's a little more expensive. I hate I despise trading up anyway, Like every anybody that listens to me knows, I just I'm not a fan. And then it's it's not I don't I ohe. Me

and Brian do this every year. Brian's always trying to get me to get rid of my picks, and I can't stand it. But yeah, no, I'm a pickskuy Bucky. It's a dartboard and I want as many throws. I want as many throws as I can get. But but before you freak out, before you freak out, it's not a knock. It's not a knock on Patrick's Rtan. I will be very I will be very pleased if Patrick's Urtan is the pick. I'm just like y'all, though I'm not.

I'm not convinced that he's like that transcendent considering. Okay, only the only nine teams pick in front of you, and we know half of them are gonna pick quarterbacks. Like the first three picks are definitely quarterbacks. Then you know Trey Lance and Mac Jones are you know what I mean? There? There could be as many as five in front of you. There could be as many as five. And so you like Patrick's or Tan, Micah Parsons, J C. Horn, throw in Kyle Pitts. Why the hell not? Like there's

gonna be a really great player there. And I just I'm not trying to get rid of picks just to move up a couple of spots. In no way, No I get that that makes sense. I'm not a pick quarter I like players. I think you have to. If you think about, like what your dream scenario is, like you have a handful of players that you would like to get and you would move up to get if they are within range, then I think you do it.

But I mean, look as much as we say and we break it down, it is a coin flip in terms of a picking the player they come in and they actually play up to expectation, and so the more picks that you have, yes, I just typically like to expend those picks. On blue chip players. So if I can get up to get what I proceed to be a blue chip player, I'm fine. I'm not I'm not necessarily about like all those laid round and all those other things Brian maybe I got. Maybe I'll maybe y'all

learn that in Green Bay. Like Brian would rather pick twice in the top fifty and just call it a day, or like twice in the top thirty and call it all to day. Yeah I disagree, but that's okay. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because because in my mind, like it's the top one hundred and if you're really doing it, if you really have balls your draft boards, you'd only have like seventy five people up there, like because a lot of times we talk about like this guy and that guy and hey,

he's gonna play it whatever, but they didn't day. You know, he's not really going to be a player. So like just take the good players, put them on the board, stack them up as if we're doing the turkey ball, and like take those guys off. The rest of the guys are not going to be guys. Like I hate to say it, but they're not. Like the odds are against the being guys. So I would rather not. I don't want to say this because it sounds crap. I don't want to really waste my time. I don't want

to do all that. I want the good players, and then after the good players, I want to go play golf. That's fine that you said that, because that's that's something that that's something that Brian taught me, like five years ago or whatever. There's seven years ago. He's like, just don't don't put the guys on your board. And I'm like, man, I got this document and I just want to know on my board that I watched the guy on tape. He's like, no, just don't, don't put him on your

board if he's not good enough. And I'm like, yeah, but I did watch him. And when we do the draft on day three, I would like mark it off as we go. But it's a difference in me and do it the way I'm doing it for a radio show or whatever and NFL War room. You know, no that that that that is it. And so seventy five is being a little bit extreme. Bill Polian would tell you that one hundred they always wanted one hundred or

fewer on their board. Most guys will tell you one twenty five, and then those who were scared will say one fifty. But you want to you want to skinny it down. I know you guys don't like this because you guys are in Texas, but you wanted to look like the in and out menu, Like I just want can't burger, cheeseburger, fries, this and that. I don't want all that other wager. I just don't know water burgers

yet to pull off the water burger. And you're like, whatever, I could get tacos, I could get a burger, I could get a chicken sandwich I could get I could get butter chicken. But you can't be great. But you can't be great with all those things. You can't you can't be great with all those things you have to make. Just like waffle house. I want to go to waffle house and get waffles and eggs. I don't want everything else on the menu. By that's why you want the

board to be skinny. You want skinny. You want four picks in the top one hundred. You want a chance to add four top one hundred players, not too while. While we're we're talking about it though, though, and we're putting these metaphors out there. You've always used this, and I've heard this from Jaff, I've heard this from Brian. But the dartboard. Yeah, I mean you would rather have

more throws at the dartboard. But what I think Bucky's trying to say, would you rather have more throws at the dart board or would you rather take a huge step right up next to the dartboard and then throw. Yeah, but I get it. I mean there's no better ways of hitting. You make the bullseye bigger when you're picking higher. Yeah, but guess what, even the surest things flop like this is true. This is not an exact yence. Okay, So

here's the other thing. So my thing is, I want top picks, and then I'm bringing a million undrafted free agents because if you go and you study the rosters, undrafted free agents are making it at a higher level than these later round picks. And so if I do a really good job of nailing the ones early, then I want as many undrafted free agents as I can

find because I can bring those guys in. They cost me nothing, and if we have a great developmental program, we'll get some guys as opposed to a just slinging it around the yard trying to get these late round picks. I will say, make sure that I get some bicy ketchup, you know, and absolutely just another reason water Burgers better. I just I, oh my gosh, I oh man, I would say, so much work for me to do. Now I'll get out of the Bucky. We'll show you. Don't worry.

I just from North Carolina. You're not even like a California loyalist, like it's it's not even like it's a it's a cross country thing for you. Why why are you lying with the wrong Yeah, you would expect Bucky to be a cookout guy. Yeah, you'd be totally a cookout guy. Oh no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, I'm from the cookout No. Yes, okay, that's fair and Bucky. Sometimes we are a little too proud of Texas. Let's

be on. Hey, I'm not even from Texas, and I will lay it all on the line for water Burger. I'm just saying anyway, I just want to stay for the record before like we're completely off the rails. But I don't think they'll make all ten picks. No, I don't think so. But I just hope that they hold on to the big one. Like, I don't want to get rid of any of the at least the first three four, top one hundred. If you want to move ninety nine, you're not gonna break my heart, but at

least hold onto the top three picks. Well, that'll be interesting to see if the Cowboys think the same way as either David Hellman or Bucky Brooks or Kevin Turner, if whoever ends subsiding, it'll be fun. One more thing, Bucky, Oh no, no, I was just saying, like he's talking about the top four picks. I was like, look, if they close up shop and they get four in the top one hundred and they don't have anything on day three,

Like I would be okay with that. I would like to move up and target like four impact players as opposed to just accumulating stuff. And let's just think about like de Riggie Robinson pick, like coming in as a fourth rounder and he played one defensive snap right last year, and so like, you want immediate impact, particularly where the team is now. You want guys that can come in and come right into the program and make a contribution. Gosh,

that Reggie Robinson picks still hurts. It really does every time. I know, but after this patch year kind of hurt me a little bit. It's just let him play. I don't get it. I agree, I just let him do something. But he didn't have it. He didn't have a preseason or a training camp. And it's not Hey, we don't have any switch positions. We don't close the book on guys after one year. I like that, Dave. That makes me feel like those. That makes me feel a lot better.

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