Draft Show: Things Are Getting Interesting

for the next couple of weeks. But it is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, and we are just thirty days away from the NFL Draft, and we've got ourselves a good one on tap for the next hour as Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Dame Brugler, and myself. Kyle Yeoman's joining you for this Tuesday edition. Then we've got Bucky Katie and Dave Hellman on Thursday. Derek Eagleton working his magic once again, mixing and matching the host and finding a way to bring you guys the best

draft coverage that we can potentially find. But this is one that I've been really excited about because one we get Dane Brugler back with Brian brought us, which I think is something that's gold in its own right, but also Jeff and Brian have five hours a day of radio together, and this is an hour of off the rails, no holding back and basically going at each other. And I think that's what's going to be really exciting about this, mister Brian brought us. Yeah it is. These cats don't

want to smoke I'm about to bring to them. So yeah, this should be a lot of fun, you know. And I'll say this, Kyle, two guys that if I was ever to get back into the scouting world and get to run a team, these are two of the guys I would hire first. And I mean that with all sincerity. I've enjoyed working with them the last seven eight years.

And anytime that I could sit down with them and argue about these players, or agree about players, or paint a picture about these players, it's it's time very well spent for me. So I am looking forward to this, uh, to this day very much. Daney's gonna bring the spike to coffee for you about us, Yeah, I mean, like Brian does the work, so I can I enjoy listening to the opinions if everybody that does the work, and Brian does more work than most out there, so I

always enjoy the discussions. Um, you know, Jeff, Yeah, he puts in the work too, so you know this is gonna be. He hates offensive lineman. He just he hates offensive lineman Dane. So you know we can talk about I have watched ten offensive linemen. Okay, that's pretty hate them and I don't want to watch them, but I've seen ten of them, okay, and some of them. But

he's seen every receiver in the draft. So just just let it be known that if it if his opinions coming on these receivers, he's got that couvered for your I think most years I watched one hundred receivers and six other prospects total. This year we got receivers slacking them up. The trade action we saw over the Wes, but we were moving, were moving, and we thought it was going to happen, maybe not a month before the draft, but the forty nine ers moving up to number three, Um,

this this is going to be interesting. And not only what's gonna happen at three, but the ramifications now of four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, and then what happens at ten. This is gonna get really interesting. And it starts at three. What what which quarterback. Did the forty nine ers go up to get Obviously they're coming up for a quarterback. Trevor Lawrence is going one,

Zach Wilson's going to who's going through mister broad Us. Yeah, San Francisco's gonna go ahead and trade all the way up to two to make sure that they get Zach Wilson out of this thing. That's what they're doing. They're just putting themselves in shape to be able to flop those picks. You know. Robert Salo being the head coach now with the Jets, trust me, they know what's going on in San Francisco right now. So you know, no, I you know, I'm not buying the smoke. I'm not

buying that I talked to here. I'm talking about smoke again. You know, I want to believe that. This is where I always tell people, like it's ice cream. These quarterbacks are like ice cream. It's your flavor, whatever you believe, you know. And Kyle Shanahan, he doesn't care what the Draft show thinks about these quarterbacks, don't care about our opinion. He will go out and get the guy he wants.

I'm perfectly fine with that, But to give up what he did to take a quarterback that's not as talented as some of the guys that he could potentially pick. I don't know, man, that that is going way way way out on a lamb right there. And you know what, if he takes mac Jones and he works out, well, it'll be one of more of those times where I could say, you know what, I was wrong about a guy. But I don't know how San Francisco can take Mac Jones, give all, they did go up there and take him.

When you got guys like Lance and then you got potentially Fields on the board to take, I just don't see that this happening, and I'm not buying it. One day, what is the I mean, I go forward, Dane Well, I said, I mean, I agree with you in theory, um, because you know, to me, there's Lawrence's the best quarterback in this class. Then I have Zach Wilson, and then I've got Lance and Fields closely together, and then Mac fillings to five. So I agree with you that that

would make the most sense. When this trade first came down, my initial reaction was, Oh, Trey Lance, this is perfect. I love the landing, spot, love the match there let's roll. But and I'm not saying that I that I think Mac Jones should be the pick. I'm saying that you talk to people around the league, and that's what they're

talking about. And this isn't like a case of this isn't a case of like, oh, smoke screen and like, you know, like we've got player or we've got guys with the you know, the Cleveland Browns or the Seattle Seahawks telling us something the smoke screen for the forty nine. No, that's not what's going on. People in the NFL genuinely believe that this is going to be Mac Jones. A high percentage of people believe this is going to be Mac Jones. Now that doesn't mean it's going to be

but it's not a media creation. It's not the forty nine ers putting it out there that it's going to be Mac. This is what a lot of people around the NFL believe will happen. And so when you look at it, they are sitting there at twelve. You have to worry about Carolina at eight, and instead of trying to move up to six or five or four, it's just say, you know what, let's let's go up to three, eliminate all doubt and go and get our guy. And so this it is a very very likely scenario where

mac Jones is the third pick this year. Yeah, and again you know if that's if that's the route that San Francisco wants to go, that's their evaluation. But I also you think about what you you know, and maybe these general mansions and let's buy the way. Let me get this out there. John Lynch is not the general manager in San Francisco. He is entitled title only. Kyle Shanahan is the general manager that that organization. Whatever players that he wants, he's going to get and he's going

to move around. He's a good evaluator. The guy has a good roster. But for them to give up what they did for this, no, no, you just Philadelphia just proved to you that their pick is for sale at six. They got out of there. I mean they got out of there in a heartbeat. They're the ones that I think are going to lose in this whole thing because they were in that mode where they could have taken

great skill players there, wide receiver, the tight end. Now they're moving back just so they could pick up some extra extra first round pick. You know, that's a team that's talent poor right now in a lot of areas.

So I just see these teams again. If you're going up there to get ahead of Carolina, you know you could have probably done you probably could have done that at six and got and got right up there and not had to give up what you did to If mac Jones is your guy, you can't convince me that everybody else in the league ahead of you is gonna is gonna take him over the guys like yourself Day who are evaluating saying, oh, well, I've got Fields and I've got Lance. I guarantee you eighty five percent of

the boards are going to have it that way too. Sure, yeah, no, I agree, But what about if you move up to six, then you're working about Carolina at eight jumping you for for mac Jones. I mean it's you know, you said it at the top ice cream flavors, you know. And while I agree we were in agreement here on the way the quarterbacks would come off the board if we

were picking, but that's we're not picking. And so there is a realistic possibility here that Kyle Shanahan views Mac Jones because look, Let's just let me play Devil's advocate here for a second. Why mac Jones should be that pick. What are the two most important traits you want in a quarterback? Accuracy, decision making. That's top two, and then you have to decide if everything else is good enough.

Mac Jones, you could argue, is the superior quarterback between Lance and Fields when you talk about those top two traits accuracy and decision making. Now he's not as mobile, he doesn't have the same type of arm, and the physical traits aren't there. But the top two traits you look for at the position, that's where mac Jones gets

those checks over some of the other quarterbacks. So that's me playing Devil's advocates, saying I could understand why Kyle Shanahan would want to make that move and for mac Jones being the guy, and why he felt like he had to go up to three, get ahead of Carolina and eliminate all doubt. Now, if Carolina really wants mac Jones, they've got to blow away the Jets at number two, which is highly unlikely. Mac Jones is not going third. Mac Jones is not going third. This is me playing

my violin on my way down with the Titanic. I won't believe it until after that pick has made. There is no way Matt Jones is getting picked third. No way, none. I'm calling not the credibility. I'm just calling everyone a liar. Whoever is telling anyone that is lying. Kyle Shanahan's a liar. John Lynch is a liar. They're a bunch of liars.

Mac Jones ain't going third, so not happening. My question with this is, Dane, you've heard this from all of your sources, and you've you've kind of put the pieces together, and we've heard it certainly throughout the media. But where is your confidence level at with this potentially being a thing, with mac Jones potentially going third overall, Because I mean we'll talk about your top one hundred coming up in the third show, but I mean mac Jones is pretty

far down that list. He's nowhere near the top three. So is your confidence level aligning with what you've heard from sources my confidence level and mac Jones being the pick? Or mac Jones should be the pick? How about both? Give me an answer for both? Well, I mean, mac Jones for me, is the fifth best quarterback in this class.

Now I really like Mac Jones. Like, I was finishing up The Beast this week, and so I'm proofreading and I'm going through my quarterbacks and I'm reading every single word in my mac Jones report, and I get done with this report and I'm like, man, I really like mac Jones. Like he's a really good quarterback. When you talk about what you want at the position in terms of processing, in terms of ball placement, in terms of poise,

I think he's got the best deep ball. Doesn't have the strongest arm, but I think he's got the best deep ball in this class. So there's a lot for mac Jones that I like. But with that said, I'd still take my chances with the other four quarterbacks before I took my chances with him, you know, mainly because of you know, they're they're close in those other areas, but their physical traits are superior. Now in terms of my confidence level and mac Jones actually being the pick,

I don't this is it's tough. We're a month out and what you know, we've been doing this a long time. We know that you don't necessarily listen to things you hear a month out from the draft, But you know, with the forty nine ers at three, they don't need a smoke screen anybody. Okay, like this isn't they don't.

They don't need to fake anybody out. We know, we feel really really good, like ninety nine percent sure that Trevor Lawrence is going one, and we're about eighty five percent sure Zach Wilson's going to Okay, really really sure about those first two picks, forty nine ers. Now that they start to draft at number three, who are they going to draft? I don't know, but they don't need to say, you know, they don't need a smoke screen anybody in terms of trying to faking anybody out. That's

just that they don't need to. So the fact that so many people that I talked to around the league believe it's Mac Jones tells me that there's at least something there. The fact that Kyle Shanahan is in Alabama this morning, look watching Mac Jones, that's not relevant that there is something too. That Kyle Shanahan does not go to many pro days, didn't go to Trey Lance's, he does not go to many pro days. The fact that

he is in Tuscaloosa right now, that means something. Even if it doesn't, you know, even if we can't say for sure he's going to be the pick, that at least means something, right, Yeah, there's a lot of people that I yeah, there's a lot of people that I trust. I'm on the side of I don't believe it's going to be the pick. I'm like Jeff, I'll go down with the shift. You know. I think that I think that San Francisco is trying to be more clever than

everybody else. I really do. I think they're trying to divert our attention. This stuff is too clean. I mean, you know, when it comes to quarterbacks, we generally don't hear who people like. We don't And now all of a sudden, we all know that San Francisco's in love with Mac Jones. Not that's not going to work in my book. In draft rooms, that's the one position you protect. You protect the quarterback, you know, and but you try

and protect all your all your picks too. But in this case, the fact that everybody now has got Mac Jones going there, and the hard thing about it is the people who studied the tape really don't believe it. Because Drew watched the other players, and you're saying, how could you not take it the more talented players? That goes against everything you believe. Now, this is a position that that people look at it different. Kyle Shanahan's idea

completely different from everyone else's idea of what a quarterback takes. Dan, you brought it up accuracy. You know, that's that's important. You know, talk about the deep ball stuff, that's important. You know. I just think that to me, the fact that we know who the San Francisco forty nine ers are going to pick at quarterback is hard to believe, especially at this point in time. Three years ago, a month before the draft. If I would have told you Baker Mayfield is going to be the top pick to

the Browns, we'd be say the same thing. We weren't. No, we weren't talking about Baker Mayfield as a even a thought at number one until twenty four hours before the draft. That's right, that's right, And and and what happened is and your sources, in my sources of John Dorsey said he was looking for a quarterback that when everybody went into that locker room, they would look at and say, that's a leader, that's our guy in that's what we want to play for. Okay, maybe that's exactly, but again,

you protect your quarterback list with your life. You protect un listen to the Dallas Cowboys. You try and protect your board too in Lana that the board gets out, Yeah, sometime gets out of it every once in a while. But to me, this is where and again, a lot of smart people, a lot of really plugged in people, I just don't it's two. If we found this out the night before the draft, I dig it right now. Nope, not at all. You think it's just two in front,

two out there in the open front. And that's exactly what teams don't want to do. Absolutely, you do not want to telegraph if if in fact you're if teams are sitting in their room right now and you're say, and you're Carolina, you know, maybe you do try and blow the Jets away. Maybe maybe you say, you know what, hey, if you guys will drop down here to eight, we'll give you this. We'll make a deal better than what

San Francisco gave you for No. But they might pick Wilson still, you know, they might get the guy that they want. But I to me, this is this is this happened way way too early in the process for me to really believe in it. So let me ask you this. Now we'll get away from that number three pick. Do you foresee any more trades happening between now and because I think we're going to see some trades. You know, we can look at Carolina den right, Well, Carolina Denver

at nine, you have the Patriots at fifteen. But my question is do you think we're gonna see some of those trades between now in the draft or do you think this is going to be We're gonna wait and see who goes three, and then that's when we're gonna

see some trade action go on. I think you're gonna have some people that are gonna set some stuff up that they're gonna have some like listen, when if we go on the clock and our guys not there, you're gonna have some some pre some pre trade discussions with some teams. I if I'm to Dallas Cowboys, every mock draft, Jeff and I as we do a radio show every day, Jeff and I do like a big board report. We

go through the mocks. Jeff tells me how many offensive players are taken in those mocks before defensive players taken. Every single time, it's nine offensive players every single time. It appears that way. Nobody's putting Parsons up there anymore. Nobody's putting Farley up there anymore. Nobody's putting those guys up there anymore. It's all these, all these offensive players.

And if you're if you're somebody that thinks you want to get the best, now that Farley's got that injury, if you're a team that wants the best quarter, and you think cur Tan is the best quarner, go trade with Denver because there's a chance of Dallas. He's Tan Dane. I saw your top I saw your top one hundred or your top ten. You've got Certan at number ten. I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing. He's your first he's your first defensive player, isn't he

yep on the board? Yeah, yea, Here you go Denver Horns not too far behind. Do you think there's an opportunity that even Denver could trade up to go get a guy. Maybe if they wanted that fourth quarterback off the board, they go up and try and maybe trade at Yes, you do not do not dismiss Denver as a possibility to go get one of these quarterbacks. I'm telling you, especially if a bad quarterback goes third overall, you really want to go get one of the good,

one of the warder ones. That's it. If you're Denver, you move up two spots, get ahead of Carolina, get your trade Lance, you know, get your justin Field. Who knows the thing is is we have a new general manage. You think Cincinnati at five would really trade with you? You think Cincinnati would five would trade, No, because they're gonna be staring down the barrel of either Kyle Pits or pass unless what do you think my mean? I said at seven? Look, if Denver wanted to move up, well,

Denver could move up to four. At Atlanta. We don't Atlanta as a wild card. They could take a quarterback. They might not take a quarterback. But if Denver wants to get you know, Trey Lance, they move up to number four and get your guy, and then you know you're left with Carolina. They're just gonna stand pat and see if Fields falls to them. I don't know. I think I think that if you're Denver, if John Elway was still the general manager at Denver, I'd buy what

you're saying. But George Payton, no, no, I think we've never seen Picky. But we've never seen him as a pig. Gimme picks, gimme picks, give me picks, give me picks. That's what we've never seen him as a general manager. We don't have a sample size of him may the picks to know you know exactly what his philosophy is going to be. If he feels like there's a quarterback that's a clear upgrade over Drew Locke and is going to take this organization in the right direction, I don't

Denver's not too far off. They did. They made a lot of smart moves on defense this offseason. So I'm just saying Denver's intriguing. I'm not saying they're going to get a quarterback, but I would not dismiss them as an option there, you know, real quick, before we move on, what Miami moving the twelve and then up to six. What do you think Miami does it six and Philly does it twelve? I would like to start with I

don't think that trade makes sense for Miami. The Miami the second part of it, because you went down which that's fine, and you accumulated a bunch of picks, but you came back up without totally knowing what's going to be available, unless you're just like, that's what I don't understand, is it. Unless Miami feels really really good about two or three different pass catchers, then that yeah, because that plan otherwise, because at twelve, there's a chance you miss

out on all of them. So in that way, it makes sense. But it's just it's kind of it's kind of strange to watch a team go from twelve to six and they can't know for sure who they're picking, because they can't know for sure that DeVante Smith or Jamar Chase or Kyle Pitts or Jalen Waddle, like, yes, at least one and probably all but one will be there, So I guess you just have to be in love with multiple players there. Yeah, So they just certainly, yeah,

they took over Philadelphia's spot. When we start talking about Philadelphia, when we talk about skill guys, we name every wide receiver available, we talk about pits. They're going to get a badass offensive player at six if they want one. They just took Philadelphia's spot. Philadelphia says, Oh, we don't need any offensive players. We're going back. Miami's trade netted him a one into three, an extra one into three. I think Chris Gerd did a hell of a job.

He's now just taken over everything that we talked about in Philadelphia skill wise. Now is him play at Miami? And I kind of like what the Eagles did. They get an extra pick next year, plus they might get Davonte Smith at twelve. Sure, you know there's a there's a you know they might get JC Horne at twelve. Michael Parsons could be there, even though they don't draft

linebackers in the first round. So the Eagles pick up a first next year, so they can probably you're going to target a quarterback and next year's draft and they're still gonna get a pretty good player at twelve. So I like it for both sides. I think it is good for both sides as well. But Jeff, you even mentioned it earlier when you were talking about Cincinnati saying that they're staring down the barrel of either Kyle Pitts,

Jamar Chase, Davante Smith, any of those pass catchers. One of those guys is going to be there at six for Miami, So I understand that kind of you guys went over that, and I don't want to repeat exactly what you said, but I think the going back up and the way that they did it, and Brian you said at netting those extra picks, I think Miami's playing chess when everybody else is playing checkers. I think that

was a fantastic move. I think it was a good move for the Eagles because they get their choice of one of those Alabama guys maybe if they fall, and even hey, who knows Kyle Pitts could fall that far as well. Dave Hellman and our mock draft in the Star magazine had Kyle Pitts all the way down to thirteen. It's possible. I'm not saying that's gospel by any means, but it is possible to see players like that and

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Magazine draft Guide. It is fresh off the press, i mean, placed on our desk yesterday, and there's even a full page ad for mister Jeff Cavanaugh and Brian brought us in the middle of this Look at those pretty faces. Look at those two guys right in the middle of full page ad right next to Will McClay as well. I mean, I think it's a fantastic look for these guys. I was searching through and I looked up and I said, oh, look there's Jeff Cavinall's smiling face. But you can get

these on Dallas cowboys dot com. You can get a digital copy or you can get the hard copy sent to you as well. That'll be out coming up later this week. I don't know the exact date. I tried to clarify that it's up over the next couple of weeks. But it is fantastic and you get a picture of Jeff cavin on Brian brought us. I heard if you hit him up on Twitter, they'll even sign it for you, Is that right, guys? Yeah? Digitally nft. Yeah, just check my check my YouTube page for all my blockchain stuff

and I'll get you squared away. How many of those words did you just understand? Brian do five hours? I do five hours. I work with two guys that are totally into that stuff. I'll tell you what it is. It's a journey every single day. Listen to them talking about block chains and things like that. So hey, it's the way to go. But Krusty. Krusty's got a whole other idea in life, so he's gonna let somebody else blockchain. It probably you're not gonna get into the bitcoin and

the blockchain and NFTs. That's good, that's good. Well we're gonna get into Okay, we're gonna get into t ots. How about Twitter? On the twenty Twitter on the Twitter as always Chris Beam in the back doing fantastic work. You like that segue using the acronym. I think that was fun, all right. The star vision on Twitter says favorite player comps so far in this draft class? He said he'll start first, he says, Asante Samuel Junior, comparing him to Trade Davious White, Brian broad Us. Do you

have a favorite player comp in this draft? Man? Last Jerry it was Worths and Walter Jones. I don't have a favorite player comp. You know, when you go through some of these guys too, you try and say and mine tend to be older guys, older players back in the day, and I I just struggled. I'll tell you one that I think. I'm trying to figure out one for Davis. Uh, for my guy at the quarterback at Stanford is what I'm trying to figure out one for him, because I really do like the kid. I like the

way he throws the football. You know, you could always kind of find a guy along the way that that was that type of a type of guy. But you know, this is tough because that's how I used to describe players to Jerry Jones, and that's how Jerry understood if you could take a guy and make him a paint a picture. For Jerry, that was the great thing to do. But it was always difficult. I know when we were doing the magazines and stuff. Dane was always in charge.

That guy. I guarantee you Daane's got some guys. Who do you got, Dame, It's just somebody you like better than I didn't give you a comparison because I don't have anybody yet that this guy really reminds me of that guy. Yeah, I mean I try to come up with comparisons forming player, and some are not easy, and so you know, you just don't force it. But some I thought were really made a lot of sense to me, Like Travon Marry Um, Jesse Bates the corner or the

safety from the Bengals. I think that makes a lot of sense. Jimmin White the linebacker from Kentucky, Zach Cunningham from the Texas. I think those two guys are just absolute clones of each other. Hunter along the tight end from Boston College a very very similar to Austin Hooper. I like that comparison quite a bit. Aziz Augilarry and Jannick and Gokway. So yeah, I think there's a couple of comparisons that I really like in this class. Kyle Pittson Fanos. That's what I went with. Kyle Pitts was

of course. Thanis was of course the guy who even the Avengers couldn't take down until they combined all their different powers, because Thanis is an unstappable He's inevitable, if you will, that's Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is inevitable. All right, Well, that might be the title of these that might be

the title of the podcast. You know, it's funny when you watch a bunch of these players, and again, I there's certain guys that do pop. I don't try and force these these things, but they're like you say with with Tristan with Worth's. I mean, I just saw Walter Jones and I know that, you know, like the athletic abilion stuff, and you know it's just it's, well, those things it has to come to you. It has to when you're watching those players. You well, i'll tell you what.

I'll give you my one. I should have thought of this right up there because of the radio. I always talk about DeVante Smith as Marvin Harrison's. That's one of those ones that always comes to mind because of the way it's built, you know, that was that was the one that's not forced. It's a natural one. You know. When I watch him play, I think I'm watching Marvin Harrison play football. Oh yeah, Darius Washington and Honey Badger. You do love that one. There you go. I didn't

know Honey Badger was a four sixth athlete. I didn't know we played football on a track here. I thought they played on the field. I didn't know. I just didn't. I didn't didn't realize that. I mean the next time that they asked him to line up in a three point stance and run forty yards in a straight line, I guess if the guy runs a four four, Washington's not gonna catch him. But quarterbacks ain't thrown at him.

They're not scared to throw at married ain't throwing at Washington. Okay, well we're gonna throw just to throw at a higher than him. Just just throw it a little bit higher. I mean, I'm waiting for somebody to do it. But they they really throw at the corners, but they also throw a married. Soon they're not throwing at Washington. Not in twenty twenty. They know better. I like it, all right, kid, I'll tell you what. Man. He makes up for it. Kid,

puts himself in some good positions to make place. I will get him Creed. No, he's not a bad player. I just I don't know. You see to me, I saw the lack of inches quite often, and not on his tape. But did he make your top one hundred? We're talking about our Darius Washington out of TCU. By the way, of course, not Dane hates little people. Hey, he just missed he I greeted him as a and this is I've been consistent with him from the start. You have a fourth round Nickel for me. A good

player who has some shortcomings. Um, but a good player. There's the joke. How was that a joke? He has some shortcomings? How is that a joke? Um? Look, he's a good player. I made He's not like he's a bad player. Here is just there's some other players I'd rather have over him. Who's a better short player? Him or Samuel? Samuel? I think Sael was a much better better athlete. I mean he's he can cover. I mean he's I think you're you can do a little more with Samuel. All right, I want to get to our

second question here, and this one again Brian. We'll remember this guy, but it's from aspiring journalist on Twitter. That was his name on both his tag and his name. So he asked, what are your reactions to Miami's Pro day? Of course these pro days continuing on throughout the month, and did it change your or confirm your opinion of Phillips, Rousseau, Rochet Dane. Give us some of the numbers that we saw from Miami's Pro Day yesterday, and then we'll talk

about how it affected us. Well. Actually I'm still waiting for the official numbers to come in, should be here this afternoon, but I got you Dane Philip was really good. Rousseau bad. Yeah, just from what we saw reported out there, it looked like Rousseau was not. You know, it's pretty disappointing compared to what you would expect from a player who has a chance to be a top twenty pick. Now, you know, I think Jeff and I you know, Brian, I don't know where you are and Rousseau, but I

know Jeff and I are not. We don't see Rousseau is a top thirties two player in this draft through Brian, where do you see Ross? Yeah, I got him in. I got him in the second round. I don't see him as a first round player. But you know, to me, that's where again the things that you want to like about him, that's tough. That's a tough evaluation there, because again, when you kick him inside, that's his most productive stuff, and then when you see him play outside, you're like,

let's guy's not it. I just couldn't get over the fact that everybody had him in the first round. I just didn't. I didn't see it. I didn't see it at all. And you know what I mean, there's there's guys, there's several of those defensive ends that I would rather have over him right now. I mean, I have problems with Quitty Pay, I have problems with the Penn State kid Away, I have problems with Rousseau. I mean, I've kind of got those guys all in that same group.

I'm really not fired up for any of them. They're like guys that if they get taken in the second or third round, I could I could understand it, but I'm not putting those guys in the first round. I just don't see the ability there I ever saw in the fourth because I just don't. I don't like I don't think that he has any good traits. I think the traits that people are going to talk about is that he's tall and he has long arms. That's the end of the list. He's not an explosive athlete. He's

not strong. He can't win off the edge. Gregory Rousseau is a pick that you're literally picking the traits of. He's long, and he had some college production as a freshman. That's what you're picking that even in the second round if the Cowboys, if he made it to forty four and the Cowboys picked him, I would say they made an awful pick. I just don't know. I don't know what you're getting out of him. He's not an edge because he can't win the corner. He's not a real dtackle.

He's two hundred and sixty pounds and not even athletic at two hundred and sixty pounds. So I have no idea what you're doing with Gregory Rousseau. I think he's a Day three project. I think his length helps unlock some things that some other players you know, can't with the average athletic profile. And now Jalen Philip he detested off the charts, which at least unofficially, now that that

was never the question though. I mean I've said this before, but watching Jaylen Phillips, I get flashbacks of you know, the Bosas, with just his understanding of how to use his hands, um, just their their thought process, the way they move. Um. You know. I don't think that he's quite as explosive as the Bosas, but he's very smooth and he plays well. It's the question with him has always been the injury and the off field stuff, and that's really what's going to dictate where he ends up

on Draft Dave. Jaylen Phillips could go twenty. He could go sixty, and I wouldn't be surprised either. Yeah, that that's the Miami evaluation of those two kids is very, very difficult. I do have him in the first round below from Georgia. But and and I agree with him, Dane, I mean this this guy, oh so I'm I'm That's why I would have Philip. I would rather take a chance on Phillips with all the things you talked about as opposed to Russo that I'm not really sure what

he totally brings to the table. I'd rather have Roche than Russo. I think I like Rochet a little bit more than most people do, but I still don't even know if I would do that. That's pretty right on the borderline of it. But kind of sticking with this same time, Yeah, I just want to get it real clear. I just want to be real clear where I am on the Russo top. You've been very consistent and I

appreciate that. But kind of sticking with this same topic with Christian on Twitter, he said, which widely assumed top one hundred draft prospect is most vulnerable to a huge slip in the draft, and he wanted to say similar to Bradley and I and or Curvis Curtis Weaver rather from last year falling to the fifth round. I mean it happens every year. A top one hundred player is gonna end up falling. Dane. Is there anybody that you see that is more susceptible to that than anybody else?

That's a good question. Um, you know, I think, first of all, when you have so many there's so many guys at one position like receiver or corner, Ultimately some of those guys get squeezed because only so many receivers are gonna go top one hundred, only so many, uh you know, tackles are gonna go top So one of those guys that that position could get squeezed out. Um, looking at my list, here we talk about a guy that, like,

you know, dave On Nixon from Iowa. Maybe could he be a guy that slips a little bit because he's got some you know, some track record issues and uh, you know he was a little heavy at his pro day things like that. Don't maybe dave On Nixon. Um, you got the injury guys like the d O Dingbo from Vanderbilt, who I think is a top fifty player. But because the injury. Could he fall a little bit um to go another one of those guys you know the ACL Could that knock him out of the top

one hundred. I'll tell you a guy on tape and this is from my school, Jabril Cox. I think a lot of people have Jabril Cox way too high wow, on their list. I don't. I am not I have at seventy eight. Is that too high? You know what? I think that if you dropped him a little more, you'd be I'd be more comfortable with that. I just don't see. To me, there's that flash. And again, I've watched every game he's played at LSU, and every mock draft that people send me, they pick him at forty four.

Every mock draft he's at forty four, forty four, forty four, I'm like, man, I don't see that. You know, if he would, if he would get selected a lot higher than if he gets selected between forty four and fifty something, I would be I would be surprised. I think that Dane, you're closer to where he needs to be and maybe a little bit even further down when you when you

truly evaluate him. I think that's just a reflection of in college, most of these linebackers you just see doing the generic spot drops, like that's all they're asked to do. But Jabril Cox, You've got real life tape of covering tight ends and doing it with ease. Like he's a bad run player. He's not a good run player and he plays linebackers. So I think that's awkward for people.

But coverage at that spot has become so important that I think you'll just have teams that are like, look, we can teach a guy to play the run and tackle, but this coverage is kind of rare in college. So I think he'll be in the second round. I think it's where he'll go because it's just it's it's kind of rare in college to see linebackers who can do that or at least show that in college at the chef point. Yeah, but you also got to be able to tackle. Jeff and you talk about and stuff like that.

And you know, there's been a lot of these LSU linebackers that have come in and done a pretty good job, you know. But I'm just saying I think people have got him too high. I'm gonna give you another guy that Xavian Collins. I really don't know what I'm gonna do with Xavian Collins, the kid from Tulsa. And I know there's a lot of people in it might say Tulsa, you said you did I said it saying I'm yeah.

I to me, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, that guy looks like to me, just a sam outside linebacker. You know what else? What else you gonna do with him? You know, I don't know. I mean, you watch some of his tape. There's some turnovers and things like that that he creates, but he physically looks like a defensive end trying to play a linebacker. So I don't know. I mean, I just I don't know. Use him as a pass rusher? To you use him as a linebacker? Yeah?

Where do you use him? I think that people are probably going to overdraft him too. What about Walker Little Dane? Do you think there's a chance he could fall because of the lack of tape, because of maybe some of the injury issues and the fact that he hasn't really played real football in a couple of seasons. It's certainly possible because of the reasons that you just stated, But I don't I think he's just he plays the right position,

first of all, choice tackle. Everyone's looking for tackles, and I just think at a certain point on day two, the value is going to be too great and a team's gonna say, let's yeah, let's roll the dice. And we've seen him play one game the last two years. But you know, Pro day numbers look good, his Pro day workout look good, all the videos from his training look good. You know, this is a guy who in the twenty nineteen season opener against Northwestern, he looked like

he was on a first round trajectory. So you know, I think that I would be surprised if he falls out of the top seventy five picks. I think somewhere in the top seventy five, a team is going to roll the dice and see what they get. What they have on Walker Little I was interested about him. Six foot seven is pretty impressive, Brian, Yeah, it is, but I mean he but there's again you talk about the sizes ideal, the limited number of games he's played. You know,

I would people are going to bet on that. Look. I think it's what they're gonna do. When you talk about the six seven to three twenty I mean That's what I had going in. But there there is like if you watch him play, he doesn't always play in balance. I mean he is for a tall guy, he is way over the top of his feet a lot of the times, and then all of a sudden me he'll set and then things will start to fall apart for him there. So I didn't see the strongest guy too

for his size. I've been wrong about a lot of these tall, long, not strong guys. You know. I can't compare him to uh Nate Soldar out of Colorado, David Baktr, I mean tall, you know, those guys that don't play with a lot of power. Bak Tr like he manages to make it because he's such a great athlete, But I mean, you get these guys that don't play with power. I mean, I've been burned by the walker little type

guys before. So but I'm gonna I'm gonna bet that that he's a guy that doesn't immediately come in and and and help somebody. I think it's a it's probably a two or three year project with this guy. Well, and the other factor we have to keep in mind here too, is just the lack of information on the medicals. Uh, you know, without the combine this year, you know, teams are getting the info a little bit later, which means

we get the info a little bit later. So you know, there's always the possibility of one or two of these guys just get dropped because of a bad knee or their shoulders not right, things like that. So just something to keep in mind. I agree completely with Brian. I think a couple year of a project with him would be something ideal and then he could have a really successful NFL career. Now, who would be successful in a

street fight? This is from Devin Boyle on Twitter. Our guy brought us his race team, Kavanaugh's flag football team or Dane scouting sources. Who would win in a street fight Anchorman style meeting in the middle of the parking lot and going at it. Who would win out of those three? Well, that's just a numbers game. I mean, depending which flight football team. If you're talking about my four man team, it's like six guys, seven guys. Race teams got more than that, and they probably have all

sorts of wrenches and yeah, yeah, helmets. One take out themselves. They got helts, helmets, gloves, kneepads, they've got tools in hand, and yeah, you're you're going to and they and they're all hopped up on mountain dew. I mean they're all jacked up. They drink a ton of mountain dew, they get five. I mean, you go over the wall. Man. It's a it's a tough job, but anchorman style. The fact that we have helmets and tools, I think we might have a chance with my guys. I do, guys.

My guy's got a cell phone and a stopwatch. That's all they got. So my guys were carrying around jello shots and football cleats, it's all they got. So oh, I love it a little bit. Screws a little more athletic, used to a little more athletic than uh than my crew. So yeah, but it's close now we used to be. It's getting closer. I think that would be fun to watch. I would gladly sit above the action and broadcast every single bit of it if I could. But let's go

ahead and take our secon surrender before it starts. Yes, if you want to, like, I would just run up the I just run up the white flag and be like, good fight, guys, you gotta have fun. Everybody all right, We're gonna take our second break. When we come back back top one hundred, big board of Dame Brukler, We're gonna talk about, well, where are the Cowboys gonna look in the second round when they pick somebody on the offensive side of the football in the first I'll explain

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segment here the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's Brian brought us Dame Brugler, Jevin Er, Chevin, Jeff Cavanall goodness, gracious, I don't know what I was. I was about to say, Kevin, kat Turner, Dave Hellman and then Bucky Brooks are going to come up on Thursday, ten am Central Time for that one, but we've got Jeff for this one. This has been a whole lot of fun talking about Brian's race team absolutely beaten down

the scouting department and the flag football team simultaneously. But Dane's been beaten down that big board and he's gotten down to one hundred at the moment. Top one hundred big board released on the Athletic. Go check it out, highly encourage it because there is a ton of information on these prospects and you can go read it right there on the Athletic. He does a fantastic job, which is why we love having him on the Draft show. But Dane top nine players all on the offensive side

of the football. The first defensive player in your top one hundred is Patrick Certan, cornerback out of Alabama. He's sitting at ten. The next best defensive player Micah Parsons at twelve, So a couple of positions back for that. Sandwiched in between Certan and Parsons is Rashaun Slater, the offensive tackle from Northwestern. So explain your reasoning right around that ten mark and one of the reasons why, well, there still wasn't a defensive player that snuck into that

top nine. Well, in previous iterations, I did have a defensive player in there, but that was Caleb Parley, who, unfortunately with the injury stuff, we just don't know. You know that he's an unknown at this point, multiple back procedures, an ACL and he's only played two years of the position,

so plenty of question marks. Now, you know, teams are going to be split on how they view Farley, and you know one team might say, oh, if he gets pasted pick twenty, we'll take the chance, where another team's gonna say, you know, he has to get past pick sixty. You know, it's just every team's going to look at that very differently. I put Caleb Farley at twenty nine as my fourth corner as just kind of a placeholder

right now as we get more information. But you know, I still you know Farley, he's such a ridiculous talent, six two, two hundred pounds. His arm length at the pro day he wasn't able to work out obviously, but his arm length thirty three and three quarters. I mean that that's almost an inch longer than Rashaun Slater, So

just silly length. He's a legit fourth three guy, So big Caleb Farley fan, but we have to move him down so that leaves Patrick Surtant as the top defensive player and then jac Horn not too far behind him in terms of the top corners. Michael Parsons I still believe is you know, with his talent four three to six speed, he still belongs in the top fifteen as long as you're comfortable with the character concerns and you know the person that he is. I have very few

questions about the talent. Uh So, you know, Michael Parsons, he's in there in that mix um And then you know brought us was talking about the pass rushers earlier, and it's hard to love any of these guys. But Aziz Agilarry to me the top the top pass rusher him at sixteen, Quitty Pay at nineteen, uh than Jaylen Phillips at twenty five. Man, I'm gonna be dead wrong about Quitty Pay a bit, I really am. And I

like your list, Ding, I really really do. Uh you know, to me, I personally like Horn better than certain but I can understand people falling in love. Certan's a ready made player. You know you watch him play at Alabama. Uh you know, you know you you see you see quality play. You see some time so where there's some lapses. But you could say that about any of these corners. I just want the guy that's going to fight every single snap. And the thing with Horn, he's probably gonna hold,

He's probably we're gonna get. But he was the one guy when you watched the Florida tape that they put him on Pits and he wasn't afraid of Pitts. I think Pitts is one of the best players in this draft, you know, And there were some times where he was tight coverage, knocking the ball the way, you know, Pitts kind of turns around, it looks at him like, you know, where the hell did you come from? Kind of a thing, you know, and you don't always see that happen. Give

me the guy that's really super competitive. I know you got him right there, but I could see I could see the Cowboys at ten saying, you know what, let's just take this guy. Let's take this Alabama corner. We'll move on with our day. We'll figure about the offensive tackles at forty four or whatever else we need to get. Did you guys see four four zero for Horn and four four one for ten? Both those numbers surprised me. No, I well, I guess they both surprised me a little bit.

But I think that's what we're gonna get because it's protace. I think every literally every player and every time we get is hot, everyone of them. I think Jay see Horn, I'm gonna call him a four four five. Our Missouri linebacker Bolton didn't run all that great, now him, Well he ran four five? He ran what four or five nine? Yeah, but he plays faster than that on tape. I know, So I'm gonna I'm gonna call him a four six five. If you tell me four four one for certain, I'm

gonna call it a four four seven. If you tell me four three nine for horn, I'm gonna call it a four four five because like the guys who tracked the athleticism, like, this is the most athletic draft class of all time. You know why because we're using handheld timers. We don't have a combine add time to every single time you see all of them, because if the combine, they'd be higher day. And I'll tell you one thing to go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No,

it's fine, go ahead. I was just gonna ask Dane, like, what is I mean we've talked about pro days previously on this show, but is there any extra ounce of at least precaution of getting these times right? Like, I know we've talked about potential lasers at these pro days, but I mean, how do we know which are not used by lasers and which are? Yeah, most of these are hand times, and but honestly that's what teams use. You know, they use even at the combine, they'll use

their hand times over the quote unquote official times. So um, you know, and you'll see the results and one will be over the other. And then you talk to a scout, Well, that one was with the wind and this one was

against the wind. And you know, there's there's so many factors here, uh, you know, a downhill track or indoor facility, I know, like the Illinois State UH pro day was outside in freezing tempts with freezing rain, and you know, so all of these factors play in to these numbers, and so the context is you know, it helps, but you know that's that's why I wait till I get the official times, and I'm just whatever the whatere the official times are. That's what NFL teams are using, So

good enough for me. I think we're all grateful that the scouts are actually on the road right now and doing timings. I mean that that's something. I'll tell you. Something that's been a problematic for a lot of these scouts, other than the medical information, is the fact that these like individual workouts, you know, the ability to go and work somebody out on your own, with your own staff

and your own environments and things like that. That's hurt a lot of these guys because the pro days they have, that's the only evaluation they got. So you know you have to go do you have to go retime a kid. You know, you have to make sure you have a better vertical jumps whatever. I mean, there's there's a lot of things going into this stuff. And you know, the scouts, I feel like they're always they're doing the best they can. But there are a lot of situations like I know

that track at Ohio State is downhill. I mean it is a downhill facility. They run them at the top of the hill, run them downhill. When you see those times from Ohio State, you're like going and they're flying. Well they're flying for a reason because they're running downhill and there's nothing you could do about that. That's the way the way a center is. But that's that's but

that's what you got to do. That's what scouts. That's where we're at right now with these scouts working that with the with what they have, and that's why this year it matters a little bit more. Um Okay, the our our dB coach was at which pro day and the offensive coordinator was where. I mean that that matters because we don't have you can't bring these guys to the facility for a personal workout for you know, a facility visit. You can't. You can't do that. It's all

about the pro days. So where the coaches go, where the offensive coordinators go. Do you have a positional coach go to our specific pro day? That always matters, but even more so this year. Okay, well, then we need to get to the bottom of a mystery. What's McCarthy doing at Ohio State. Mike McCarthy's at Ohio State. I've seen pictures. We're going to figure out what player is is Mike McCarthy interests of them? That's who it is? Okay, Yeah, if you need a fifth round pick, I could see that. Yeah,

I could see that. That's what I saw the picture, And I'm like, who is he looking at at Ohio State? Eight Tommy, Yeah, I think it's probably Yeah, yeah, there you go too. Maybe the linebackers, maybe a little Billiard. They've got some offensive lineman two there. I mean that, you know that you you have to probably get an ideal of. But yeah, I mean to me, that's you know, McCarthy's probably one of those things that he's just going out hitting the big schools. I don't know how much

he's really picking all this stuff up. I mean, good restaurants around there. I'll tell you what, though, he didn't mention about him going to Kentucky. He didn't mention about going to Kentucky. You know, boss man fat let's go. That's that's that's a cornerback right there. I think they're hunting cornerbacks. I think he's gonna take a look him and Will mccleaid they're gonna gonna take a look at all the cornerbacks in this these top corners, and see

which one they need. Well, in the conversations that I've had with some of the scouting department, is that not only is it the numbers that are tougher to game this year, it's how like, how these players are off of the field, What is this person like? What is this prospect like? And I know Brian, Dane, Jeff, you guys have been around this long enough to say and say that's already probably the hardest part of the draft. It's not you can always look at the numbers, you

can always look at the tape. It's finding out what kind of person, what kind of player and mentality leader these prospects. Ultimately you're going to be whenever they get to the next level. And that's one of the parts of this draft that are almost completely taken out unless you go to these pro days or unless you saw them at the Senior Bowl. Well, I got good news for you, Kyle my gut Kelvin. Joseph's easy to figure out.

Ask the two coaching staffs that didn't like him, and you can check out the boss Man Fete YouTube page and you can hear his music and it's good music and he's a good corner. Let's go. Okay, it's I mean, you have to wonder how the Isaiah Wilson situation from last year is going to affect teams this year. You know, with not having a full idea of a player's character, you know what red flags are going to be acceptable,

which ones aren't. You know that Isaiah will say and situation is going to stick with some teams when their decision making this year. It'll be interesting to look at and if the Cowboys are looking at ten offensive players on the board, who's gonna look in the defensive side of things. That was gonna be the topic we were trying to get to, but we ended up getting sidetracked a couple different times. We might have to save that

for next week. Brian, that was a good idea that you came up with, but I think that's something that is going to continue to be a debate for the Cowboys moving into for the tackle n you do like I can, Nick Bolton, Yeah, that Peyton Turner. Okay, just keep naming him, Jeff, and we'll just ride off into the sunset with you just naming prospects. Mary. He shouldn't go in the first round here, should go around forty four. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Don't do that. Do that.

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