Draft Show: The Draft Starts in Mobile

backside of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. But we are here and we are ready to bring you draft coverage on what is Senior Bowl week. We are ninety days out from the NFL Draft, and well this is a great week for grabbing all of that information and finding our way to the NFL Draft. Welcome in everybody. Kyle Yeoman's alongside David Hellman. Brian brought us who are the normal cast of characters here on the Tuesday edition of the show, But we had some trouble connecting with

Bucky Brooks. He'll be on Thursday. Instead. We have gotten Jeff Cavanall to come in out of the bullpen. Just real easy, always ready to come in and pitch in relief. And Jeff, thanks for joining us so quickly. I mean, I know you had a lot of setup to do. I know that snow globe is holding up your phone right now quite nicely. Well, I don't think that the audience can see that, Kyle, So you're not supposed to

mention that I'm gone. I'm already taken a coverture of it. Yes, I have a book on top of a bottle of scotch and my phone sittings on the book, and then the snow globe holds the phone up from not falling over. But yeah, I never have anything going on in life, So anytime you need me, I'm here. And there's tacos at the door, but who cares if they're going to be cold. You know, let's do the draft. Well, look, we're just like we're just like the NFL teams that

are putting this thing together. Like sometimes you might not have a combine, you might not be able to watch workouts. You just gotta stitch it together with duct tape. And that's what we're doing right here, And I for one, really appreciate it. Thank goodness. If Brian's holding on to dear life, to his Internet connection everybody, just so you know, so you hear Brian cutting in and out, that's why.

But he sounds great in our ears, and Brian, I know this is a big week for you because of course the Senior Bowl is where you get a lot of this information. But how important is this Senior Bowl this year just based off of the fact that you don't have a combine, or at least a normal combine. You don't have those in person visits and this is really the one opportunity that you're going to have in order to find a lot of the information on these

various prospects. Yeah, it's it's the first time though that you really have to be able to have the measurables of these players. And you know, this past weekend, you know, Jim Naggy and the staff was working through all that they were going through COVID tests, they were going through isolation. You know, a lot of things are having to kind of go on right now in order to get these players out on the field to hopefully have practice today. I was talking with the team that as they got

twelve scouts there to watch practice. You know, it's just it's going to be a lot different. Uh, the interaction you have with the players is really going to be limited, you know. And like I said, Jim and his staff had done a heck of a job of getting us to this point. And you know, hopefully that they can know the Panthers and the Dolphins. We can have practice, we could get film out there, and you know, everybody can kind of maybe look at this as some normalcy.

You know, when you when you when you watch Senior Bowl practice, that's the best thing in the world. So you know, getting those those players out of the field will be a welcome relief to a lot of scouts who have spent the fall, you know, at their home just grinding on tape. To see players actually live, I think is gonna do a lot of scouts good in this way. Yeah, and you look at the Senior Bowl,

I mean a lot of changes to it already. I mean, based off the fact that this is the first year that it's not a lad People's stadium and said, it's on the campus of South Alabama and it's at a new stadium. It'll be at the stadium whenever the Senior Bowl game actually rolls around on Saturday, it's not open to the public. None of these practices are because of COVID nineteen and just limited personnel and media that are allowed in the building as well. It's one of the

reasons why we're not down there. Normally we're in nopemobile doing the draft and having that kind of information gathering, but that's not the case due to the curtain certain climate. But Dave, whenever you look at the Cowboys specifically, I mean, they have had a rich history of going and getting guys from mobile and this year they're not even really

sending a whole lot of coaching staff down there. It's mostly just a couple of scouts and really that might be about it in terms of who makes the trip. But how much of an impact do you think this type of different week of the Senior Bowl in general is going to have with the Cowboys coaching staff and front office. Well yeah, and I mean these things changed

by the regime to a degree. Mike McCarthy made it pretty clear last year that he doesn't think it's all that important for the coaching staff, especially since these practices will be available. You know, they'll distribute it to the league so you can watch the tape of it. You can watch the tape of the game after it's over, so that parts not surprising. I am. I'm curious about the scouting staff, you know, whether they get the same amount of stuff out of it. I had to laugh

this morning. I don't know if you saw this, but Jim Naggie had his social people tweeting out the heights and weights and now all the measurements of all the guys, and I was like, wait, wait a second, because I've had to get up at the crack of dawn with Brian broad Us like the last eight years and go do this myself. So you're telling me I can just get it on Twitter from the comfort of my own bed. Like, I hope that's a change that stays with us, because

that's great. But then, and you know, obviously everybody would prefer for it to be normal. But again, like technology allows a lot of this stuff to be done remotely, so as long as the practices happen, I think the Cowboys will be fine. And yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. They value like like Brian just said, like being able to see guys get live reps as valuable and the Cowboys have pretty reliably you know, looked into this Senior Bowl crop. Tony Pollard is probably the best most recent

example of a guy who really flashed the Senior Bowl. Obviously, you know, we don't need we don't need to bring up back at this point, but yeah, I mean this, this carries a lot of weight for the Cowboys and the proof is in the pudding. They draft these guys all the time. Well, Zack Martin too, Remember Zack, remember that that glorious Senior Bowl that we were all part of where you know, Zack Martin is showing his wares though, and you know, and that's you and Aaron Donald. What

a great matchup between those two, you know. And that's the that's the thing I think that Jim Naggee and you know, and Jim Nagge and his staff, they've done a really good job. I know, Jeff and I do in radio we went through the list of the Senior Bowl guys that we were looking for. Are looking at her and excited and you know, it's a good crop. And that just goes to show you with you know,

scouts can't be resilient. Jim and his staff they didn't take no for an answer, you know, they continue to scout, they continue to evaluate, they continue to invite, They went through all the protocols so we can have a game that that shows you a lot about really what goes on in the scouting community in the National Football League.

You know, Brian, I'm jealous of you, just based on the fact that Dave said he got up for eight years and went to you to the way in because last year I tried to get him to get out of bed and he wouldn't do it, and he wouldn't come with me to to my first way in at the senior You do that. Yeah, it's exciting the first time, and then like by the eighth time, you're like, well, Brian, Brian, I'll have all this written down when I get to practice at ten thirty, Like it's you know, this is fine.

I think I would I should point out, Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was no, go you go for it. I want to hear what you wanted to point out. You should point out that Kyle is a snitched on you. I was gonna say that at the break Yeah, like, very uncool, Kyle, But hey, that's called that's called paying your dues. You get up at six thirty with Brian to go to the way in like the first six years and then by year eight you can sleep in. Um I'll tell you. I'll tell you a snitching story.

Real it's not on anybody I work with here, but don't you do it. I used to go to the combine. The way ins at the combine and you'd have to get it to get one of those front row seats. You had to leave it about five thirty in the morning to get over there to get a seat. And I remember coming down the elevator many a day and like the Cowboy Bust that was parked on the other side was still rocking and rolling with our crew over there. So yeah, yeah, we we did it the right way

at at the combine. We had we had, we had everybody was I will say this though, everybody that was in that bus all night was sitting at the forty yard line at eight thirty in the morning watching, So that itself was very impressive how that crew used to operate. So yeah, it's not a lot of fun doing that. Not a whole lot of the number of guys that no and then the number of guys that go to

and again we're not going to say any names Kyle. No, I'm not saying, Yeah, you go to you go to wagh Ins and workouts at you know, seven o'clock in the morning, You'll see some hang You'll see some hungover people. For sure, you'll work hard and play hard, no doubt, no doubt about that. I mean whatever you look at at the job that that Jim Nagy has done, and Brian and I were talking about this offer as well. I mean, it's it's a crop that seems to get

better every year. I mean last year we were excited about guys like Javon kin Lall and Justin Herbert who were in the crop, and then this year it's DeVante Smith. I mean, you get the Heisman Trophy winner anytime to come to Mobile and you're gonna be really excited. Same kind of thing back in the day when Baker Mayfield was out at the Senior Bowl, and you get another guy like that, and then just another incredible crop of receivers.

That's what I'm excited about, not to draft a receiver, but to look at a lot of these dbs, look at a lot of these corners, and I kind of want to go through some of those corners. Later in the show, Jeff, because I know you're looking at a bunch of those secondary guys and how they're gonna match up against those wide receivers. But whenever you look at some of these prospects, mister Kavanaugh, who has the most

a game from a week in mobile? Because if you're DeVante Smith and you're a Highsman Trophy winner, you already have putout the incredible tape. You had one of the best seasons a wide receiver has ever had in college football, and now you turn around and you expect to add to that via a week down and exhibition practices and exhibition games. Who has the most to gain out of this? Is it the opt outs? Is it the small school guys or is it guys like DeVante Smith? I think

it's probably the small school guys. Or what I would say is number one for instance, like I'm looking at the DBS and if you played at a bigger school and you've played against great competition, teams are gonna have a pretty good feel for who you are because they've already seen it. But just a random name, Robert Rochelle from Central Arkansas. How about if Robert Rochelle shows up and in practice he locks up Candarius Tony from Florida, and he's able to cover Amari Rodgers out of Clemson.

I think the guys are the most to gain are guys who teams aren't sure that they can do a portion of the game. You know, you've got a guy who is good man coverage, haven't seen him in zone, don't know if he can tackle, and you've seen it. You've got guys who I'm not sure about him in man coverage. Like if you can show something that scouts didn't know that you can do, that can be huge. A linebacker who you haven't seen in coverage a lot, he goes one on ones and locks up tight ends

and running backs in coverage. That can help you. But I think for the most part, you're talking about guys that are trying to move themselves, like late or mid round guys who are trying to separate themselves from guys they're practicing with and against. That's what the Senior Bowls about, and that's why it's awesome for all the guys that commit to it, because what you're saying is I'm willing

to compete. I'm willing to risk some draft stock because I think I'm really good and I'm gonna make money out here. Yeah, I think Jeff, Jeff's nailed it right. And you know, another name I think about is melafon Wu from Syracuse, you know. And the reason the reason I say his name is he's six three, he's two hundred and fifteen pounds. That's what we had going in. And you watch his tape and we all remember his brother, Obie, who was drafted at you know, by the Raiders out

of Connecticut, who played safety. But man, you're talking about a sixty three, two hundred and fifteen pound quarterback right now, and so how is he going to match up? Are you worried when you see him live? Are you worried about? Okay, is he a long, leggy guy? Canny turned, canny break, canny adjust? You know sometimes that those tall guys you have to you lose perspective of, like, okay, is he not quick because he's tall and long, and so when you see somebody live like that, it could put your

mind at ease, like, oh, I get it. He's a smart kid. He's a tough kid. But yes, he can move. That's what these practices could really could tell you. And these teams the Dolphins, Caroline. They'll do a good job of structuring their practice in order to see the drills where you'll see the movement, the change of direction, and

you'll get to see him compete. So that's where the great thing about the Senior Bowl is that maybe some guys that you didn't have a really good gage on just off tape the Senior Bowl kid kind of opened your eyes to some other avenues. David. I think a guy like that from last year was a Kyle Dugger. I mean, a guy who you had good take on and you really really liked, but he had a good Senior Bowl as well, and it kind of added to that and it ended up pushing him up into the

top top three rounds. I can't remember. It was Jeremy Chen, also a Senior Bowl representative last year. It's gonna say it was Jeremy Chen and Kyle Ye. So both of those guys could have been a very high I don't think Chin had as good of a Senior Bowl, but he was still somebody that was that was very nicely

represented down in Mobile. But I mean it seems like every year those those guys that end up sticking out, David, Oh, I mean you know, we can heap praise on Jim Naggie through this whole thing because again, like when I started doing this, yeah, like you would occasionally you would occasionally get a good player. You know, Zach Martin and Aaron Donald were great college players, but they didn't have nearly that kind of hype coming out of school. And now you look at you know, the type of guys

that they're able to get. You know, DeVante Smith's not going to participate, but even getting him to show up, you know, they've gotten Baker Mayfield to show up. So yeah, and I bring that up to say, like, if these guys invite one of these small school guys, like if a if an FCS D two or D three player is at the Senior Bowl, he's probably pretty freaking good. Ali Marpette is another one that comes to mind. Yeah, yeah, so this is yeah, like if these guys are if

they're in mobile, they can play. And you know, I'm I'm past the point of being surprised when some of these guys climb up into the first few rounds of

the draft. Brian, from a scouts perspective, I know pretty much the combine it's the same way, but the Senior Bowl is a it's a rounding of what you've already found, correct, it's it's it's and finding those different things and kind of like what Jeff was talking about specifically, whenever it comes to filling in the cracks of what you think about a prospect and what you might not like about a prospect, and those prospects have one final opportunity to

maybe show that they can do that. But how much does it weigh, especially in a year like this where you have to deal with so many of the guys that are uncertain that we're opt outs, even that we've already talked about, but all these scouts kind of piecing this together. How much of a challenge is it from a Senior Bowl perspective in twenty one? Yeah, I know it's a big challenge, But you know we've talked about

this before. Scouts can be very resilient in the way they go about you know, if you tell them within the rules, this is the interviews, this is the access, this is what you can and cannot do. You know, you'll figure out ways to evaluate. I always go back to, you know, with the Al Davis back in the days with the Raiders, Al Davis. He would take two or

three guys every year from the Senior Bowl. You know, that was something that was really really big to the Raiders back in the day that you know, and there's teams to this day also put a lot of weight in what goes on in the Senior Bowl because what you're trying to figure out is, Okay, you take these players out of their element and Alie Moore pet from Hobart and you put him next to Zack Martin at

a Notre Dame in his element. You know, how do these players Is the stage too big, is the opportunity too much? Or no? Do they shine? And I think you could get a lot out of the Senior Bowl, not just because the competition or the interaction, but you could see how players in various weight classes react to their surroundings. And I think it's a very good it's a good window through what this player really really is. And you know, we always say I had a bad

Senior Bowl. Hey, I just appreciate the fact that somebody would go to the Senior Bowl and participate. You know, we talked about that. Put it out there, throw it out there. You know, Yeah, you might be from Central Arkansas, covering a guy from Notre Dame. But you know, if you have some good reps, you know that in the mind, it's like I knew that kid could play. I knew that kid could line up and cover that guy. So yeah, it'll be It's a great week. It really really is.

I don't think anybody gets hurt by it. I think there's some things that can change your opinion in a good way, but you kind of say, okay, trust your eyes on the other stuff. Maybe he had a couple of bad practices, but a good game. There's a lot you can really really gain out of this game, not like say the whole week of evaluation and then the

actual game itself. Love it. There are a lot of guys out there that we're going to talk about in the third segment that you need to keep an eye on, not even just as Cowboys fans looking for the draft, but just in general, because there's a ton of talent down in Mobile and we're going to talk about it. Practices start today eleven thirty am Central Time. They go to four, so I think the NFL network is broadcasting

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Oh there is? Oh, it did tupped up? Wow, it did? Okay, it went, it went. It actually went well. The Matt Kent doing a great job. Okay, So Caleb says, while understanding that defense is the priority, are there any offensive players on Day three that could potentially surprise the Dallas Cowboys? Specifically, he wants to know at the skills positions. I'm going to defer to mister tacoa leading Jeff Kavanaugh on this one. Do you think there are any Day three guys that

the Cowboys could potentially be interested in as a skills position? Um? Yeah, I think so. I think because you have to look at your entire roster. There's a couple of things that are going to be true here. One, if the Cowboys took a wide receiver on Day two or three, the impact that they would make immediate on the Cowboy is

probably very, very little. But they also have decisions to make guys like your fourth and fifth wide receivers Devin Smith or not, I'm sorry, m Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown, Like those guys are they gonna be on the team, you know? No? So, Like, there's room on this roster for skill position players for sure, and there might be room for a guy who's one of your three top receivers going into the twenty twenty two season. Michael Gallup's going into his final year under contract, So yeah, I

think for sure. And every year you're gonna have so many good wide receiver prospects that you could go into the fourth or fifth round you might find a guy that can be a really good NFL wide receiver. So yeah, keep your heart on a swivel. Know the names of these receivers. The Cowboys are going to have at least ten picks in this draft, depending on what they do and how these comp picks shake out. Yeah, I think you can absolutely take a skill player. Yeah, I think

they knew the thing. Jeff sabsolutly right, and I knew Dave can address that as well. You know, you seem to have an idea of who your your top three receivers are. You know, you could always you know, depending on what you want to do with some other positions. Maybe you feel like, hey, well we gotta you know, we got to think about a possible replacement for Michael

Gallup going forward. Do you want to develop a guy? Yeah, these drafts are always the one thing that we've learned over the years is the skill position seems to be one where all of a sudden you get down in the fifth round and we're on the draft, showed where work in the draft, and then someone gets taken and Jeff goes, well, that's a guy having the third round. You know, I had I had a fourth round grade on him, and all of a sudden he's taken in

the fifth. So the skill positions can go pretty deep. Uh generally. I also feel like though, that's the opportunity too, and that you know in that fourth round, fifth round, you know, look for those offensive lineman two that you know where you don't want to sit there and wait till the sixth and seventh round to try and find a tackle. You know. I mean, this team has done a pretty good job, you know. Heck, they got a starter at a third round with Connor McGovern, who they

had a second round grade up. So you know they're gonna work. They're gonna work this board, not just for the not for the skill, yeah, be honest, just another one, very good. Yeah, you get a starter out of that. So yeah, So I would say the middle of this draft board is going to be more about taking those offensive linemen or maybe even a defensive tackle or two.

I think that's the position that I would kind of focus on if I was a Cowboy fan, I just I mean, y'all covered it very thoroughly, but I would just throw in, yeah, I mean, obviously the Cowboys needs their defense. But I mean, doesn't the conversation change once you get past like, you know, the fourth round. Basically, like the first four rounds are where you're drafting guys who you expect to make an impact immediately, and even that's not guarantee. You know, we couldn't get Reggie Robinson

on the field this year. For some reason. Um, But so you know, we always say like it's it's best player available with a shade towards your needs. But the later you get in the draft, the less I care about my immediate needs. You know, the Cowboys might need a safety, but if a wide receiver that's really really good slips to the fifth or sixth round, I don't give a damn because neither one of them is probably

going to contribute right away. So that's for me. That's the fun thing about Day three is you just pick the best possible player always, because these are more about long term investments anyway, which means Day three is going to be a time where all of us have watched you know, two hundred and whatever guys, and it'll be like, all right, who's your best available player, and we'll all be saying, our guy for like eighty picks in a

row daily gets picked. It's where it's where I don't want to give us too much credit, but I think, you know, I guess there's way to say it without giving us a lot of credit. But like that's how Bradley and nice situations wind up. Though it is like, you know, a really good player Senior Bowl MVP. Maybe some people thought of him as their third or fourth round pick. He falls all the way down to the end of the fifth round and everybody's super excited because

he was the best guy left on everybody's sheet. But he's still a late fifth round pick, and sometimes that gets lost in the shuffle a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I think that's also a spot where you could maybe look at a quarterback as well. I think maybe you saw it last year with Ben da Nucci really late in the draft, seventh round. You look at it and you go, oh, look at this guy out of James Madison,

it's Ben da Nucci. We thought at the point it was going to be the Washington State kid and Gordon, Anthony Gordon that was also a Senior Bowl quarterback last year. We thought if they were going to go quarterback, it was probably gonna be him. Instead they went with Ben da Nucci. I think you could possibly see another situation like that again, where it's out of the ten picks that they have, one of them might be a bad

quarterback sitting in the wings. If they, of course don't take a quarterback early on due to various ensuing negotiations in which we will not get into at the moment on this show. So moving on to the next question, Scott Fits on Twitter says, if the Cowboys don't select a corner at the tenth overall pick, who are some of the corners on Day two that could fit into dan Quinn's scheme specifically? And I mean, Dave that you

just talked about it a little bit ago. I mean, if you're drafting a Day two corner, you expect him to come in make an impact. That's what Trayvon Dix did this past year. You were hoping that same thing for a guy like Reggie Robinson didn't necessarily get that. But are there any guys that stick out to you, Brian when it comes to somebody that could potentially fit

into dan Quinn's defensive scheme? Yeah? You know the thing that what I'm gathering about talking to people that Joe Witt No, dan Quinny it is really really big on the ability to have a corner that can run. That's important to him, and you know he's really big on playing like that deep space and you know he doesn't want to be exposed. Now, say what you want about Diggs and his ability to run and to cover and stuff like that, But you wouldn't say that Diggs is

a really speedy guy. And so I think what you have to do is you have to keep your eye on those guys. Now, let's see what a guy like you know, Tyson Campbell from Georgia. Let's see what Eric Stokes from Georgia. You know, these are guys Josh Joe from Alabama. You know, these are guys that are all kind of in that long, kind of rangy build that

they like. But how well can they run? I think it's gonna be a matter of like they're they're gonna be comfortable with Diggs, but whoever they draft in the second round or third round, I think it's gonna have to have length and he's gonna have to have speed. They just don't want to go in there with. You

can't just sit there. And that's why if you look at why Farley would be really entertaining to them in the first round if they could get Farley, is because he is long and he can run, you know, and that's that that will be important to this secondary and that'll be important to dan Quinn and him going forward.

So you know, you could throw out probably a bunch of names, but if they have length and you start to hear that they ran well and they're talked about in the second round, I would guarantee you those are guys that the Cowboys are going to target. Dan Brian kind of stole my thunder a little bit, but like if we're trying to if we're trying to keep it on, you know, if we're trying to keep it on the Senior Bowl, because that's what's happening this week. I'm fascinated

by I Fiatu malifan Wu just again. I mean, as soon as I realized what his measurables are and by you know, you can go look the Senior Bowl tweeted out his official measurables, like he's every bit of like six two and a half to thirteen big ass wingspan, and I mean, I you know, we always fall into this trap of comparing prospects to you know, Hall of Fame caliber players, But it's hard not to think about a guy like Richard Sherman when you hear that, and

that's who dan Quinn coached when this defense was at its best. So I'm curious to see how high his stock rises, because you know, we're always we in the media are always behind the actual scouting conversation. And I'm sitting here like, oh man, you know, maybe this guy's stock can can climb a little bit, whereas maybe other people think it's already up there. But I'm I'm curious to see, you know, if he if he handles himself well in these practices, I bet we'll be talking about

him even more than we already are. Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna tell you guys though, Like I was earlier, though, just keep an eye on the speed. And it's it's not that they have to have this guy that's a four three guy. It's but it's important to win the secondary coach. I mean, he's going to there, They're going him and Al Harris. They're going to figure out, like, Okay, what do we have on one side with dicks and what do we need on the other side. I just

don't see them having two corners that have okay speed. Yeah, I think it's going to be about it's going to be about okay, we can we can have one. And Richard Sherman was that way. Richard was a four basically a four to five five guy coming out of Stanford. That's why it lasted to the fifth round. So you know, teams are very mindful of the speed, They're very mindful of the length. Now, I mean there's a I'll tell

you what. I keep falling in love as a first round player with this JC Horn out of South Carolina. You know, I everybody talks about Farley and Certan for me, put JC Horn up there too. You know, as a guy that you would you would look at very very strongly for consideration if you were looking for those those top cornerbacks. Yeah, yeah, I think so. My biggest thing when you talk about corners and Dan Campbell and or not call, yeah, I just get some mixing up your dans. Yeah.

I was thinking about Dan's amazing speech. I think about it a lot. But we'll go Dan, We'll go Dan Quinn instead. One of my favorite things that I've read was something that Richard Sherman said about him a few weeks ago. And I don't remember what game he was talking about, but he was talking about how Dan Quinn came into the locker room and they were losing, and Quinn was like, all right, guys, bad news. What we're doing isn't working. So I know, you guys aren't built

for this. We're playing man in the second half and they stopped him and they won the game. And so like, I can respect that coaches have things that they're looking for, but I just really hope that they don't care if he's five eleven or six three. They don't care if he runs a four three two or a four or five one. Find the players and for cron out, build your defense around the best players you can find. Don't try to make sure that well, this is what I

like to do. So I've got to find a player that can do no find the best players and be an adaptive coach. That's what I want. So I just want to identify the best corners, put them all in order, and pick him in order, and then coach. Your job is to be really smart. Your coach, figure out how this is going to work, put him in position, let's go. Well, I'll say one thing, man, it's so much fun to watch these kids whose dad's play the league. I got

to watch Elijah Molden play the other day. I didn't know his dad was Alex Molden, who in my last draft in Green Bay was you know, we was picked by the Saints eleventh. Overall, his kid is a good player. He's five ten. Though, Asante Samuel's kid is a good player, he's five ten. I mean, these are guys that you can legitimately watch and you and you're sitting there going, man, these are good players. And to Jeff's point, if you're not, if you're not playing the trades game, those kids should

be absolutely considered. With all these other corners that are going to be drafted, I mean, they're they're all good players. But you know, there's some teams that get measurable conscious and I do worry a little bit about with the Cowboys with what's going on from what I'm hearing about Wit and the type of corner that he likes, you know, it might be a little bit of a focus on Okay, we got this type of corner on one side, I

need this type of corner on the other. Now, do you think the other side would be fitting for a guy like a Caleb Farley? I mean, we're talking about these five ten guys. Caleb Farley is not that absolutely two hundred pounds. I mean, he is every bit of the measurables you want in a corner. Do you think he could potentially be there because our next twitter on the twenty question is bender bending. He asked, is Kayleb Farley elite compared to the rest of the cornerback position

in the past? Or is he just elite with this year's group because he's starting at least this guy tweeting said that he is not liking he's starting to not like the possibility of taking a corner at ten. Yeah, I don't. I'm not gonna call him elite. I'm gonna call him the best of the class. You know, we've

you know, it's it's funny how we were. We go through these cornerbacks and you know, the kid that was taken in Detroit last year, you know, and you know, he he gets banged up and all of a sudden, you're you know, you're sitting there trying to kind of figure some things out, and you know, but I'm looking at I'm looking at Farley. I'm seeing a good player that there's there's a side of me that when we were picking at four, I was nervous about taking him

or Certan or one of those guys. Picking him at ten, yeah, a little bit better feeling there picking him at twelve, a really good feeling right there, you know. But if you're going to take the best corner in this draft and try and project him to be an outstanding player, Farley gives you that best chance. In my opinion, he does. But when you start comparing him to corners and other drafts, I don't think he would be necessarily the top corner in the last safe four or five drafts that I've

worked on. I think that's perfectly put honestly, Brian, And I mean, there have been other great corners to come out in that time, but probably because of my obvious connection. Like when you're talking about like a surefire slam dunk, like elite cornerback, and I hate that word, but it is what it is. I always I go back to Patrick Peterson, just like a guy that you're like, he can do everything. He's a slam dunk, He's gonna be a pro bowler as a rookie. You can't miss um,

That's what and that's exactly what Peterson was. And those guys just they aren't there every year. And I don't think any cornerback in this class is that guy. I'm with you. I started to get real nervous about picking in the top five if if they were going to pick a cornerback, because I'm not sure. I'm not sure either of these guys is worth it. Butt down at ten doesn't bother me. Patrick's or ten doesn't bother me.

At ten, Caleb Farley's fine. It scares me that you know, he'll have gone a long long time without live reps by the time they draft him. But you know, I liked what I've seen from his twenty nineteen tape enough that I'm comfortable taking that risk, especially again, you're down the board a little bit at least, you know, at least the little ways from where we thought they might be. And and yeah, I mean I would say I feel I'm comfortable with him orser Tan saying that they're the

best in the class. I don't have a strong opinion about it either way, but I feel a lot better about it at ten than I would have higher up, for sure. Look, let me ask you guys a question, would you, with Detroit having a new general management head coach, would you send the tenth overall pick for jeff Jeffrey Akuta to Detroit? Knew it was always better new, It is always better. Give me the cheap guy that I don't like. What am I giving up for Jeff Okuda?

You're giving up the tenth overall pick you're going to get. You're going to get a corner that we all thought was a top better three player last year. Yeah. Yeah, and he's only a year removed from the from the game, from from from the Drive. You're given a tenth overall pickoff to make sure you go get one of the best quarters. You go get a corner that you thought was elite. I think I wouldn't have a great rookie year. Even after he didn't have a great rookie year, I

would still do it. I think I would still do it. The other thing is I'm such a cheap skate, like years of cheap labor mean everything to me. I want that. I want all of the team control I can get. And Jeffrecuda is already a year toward needing a contract extension and if he makes more, Yeah, but you also got it. You also, yeah, you do have him on the fifth year option though two you can use. Yeah, you got tenth overall pick on that option. Yeah, let

me go ahead it. But you're talking about potentially picking a corner that you're not in love. Well, Dave sounds like he's in love with Farley. I'm not in love. I'm not in love. I feel I feel just right like I feel like if you tell me that, if you tell me that, are you guys scared? You guys are scared because of Whoda didn't have a great rookie year because he was hurt? Is that what you're telling me? A bad rookie? Yeah, in a bad rookie year? What's

wrong with that? Are you guys telling me that Akuda is not a better player than Caleb Farley or Patrick Sir Tam tell months ago, I thought it was for sure he was a better college player. So you're seeing you're wrong right now? Then about him, you're seeing you guys were wrong about it, right, We're wrong on so many players. It's the way I'm just I'm just asking here. I'm just we're tall about the question was about a league corners? No, guys, we question yeah, because because I

think if you were to PLoP these corners. I love the word PLoP. By the way, you're to PLoP these corners in the last year's draft class, I think to me, Sir Tam Farley Horn they're all right there battling with C. J. Henderson for the right to be picked. In my world somewhere, I think I think Henderson went him go on like nine. But in Jacksonville. Okay, See, in my world, all those guys should be battling to be picked somewhere in the teams. And that's that's just kind of the level corner. And

I you're right, no doubt. Jeff Okuda to me was awesome prospect. Um. I'd have to really go watch and watch what happened in Detroit, And I think part of it was probably that he was told, hey, you're a top five pick, welcome to covering the best receivers in the league one on one, and they play a bunch of man in Detroit, and so it's probably just really really hard. Um, So I think it's a great question.

I just have to go back and watch him, because yes, I thought he was a better prospect than any of these corners. Okay, if Jeff Okuda was there at ten, we'd be doing backflips, yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean we could say that every year, you could say that every day. I was actually just I'm just talking about I'm just talking about corners and where where like Farley in Certain and those guys, and I think I think you guys have got him right. All right, how

about this? I like? Uh, I think I like Farley and Certain more than I liked C. J. Henderson. Am I crazy for thinking that no interchangeable that I was? Yeah, huh, that's it. I don't know. I mean, if you see I think that it would be. I would have to figure out the order. I think Henderson would go right in there with Farley, Sir tam Horn, unless you've draft Brian Obviously, if you nail it, If you nail the pick and the guy's a stud from day one, it's different.

But otherwise, draft picks are like cars, Like the minute you drive them off the lot, they start losing value. So like I've always rather hang on to the shiny, the shiny new pick with no mileage than the one that like, oh, like it still runs great and it could it could still be a great car, but like it's already got five thousand miles on it and it's a little bit dinged up. Like I'll take my chances

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But you can't slow us down. This alarm can't slow us down. Dave Hellman, We've got Jeff Kavanaugh, Bryan brot Us, I'm Kyle Yeoman's final couple of minutes here. Of course, Senior Bowl Week kicking off today in Mobile. All of the measurements have already been taken. They are out on the social media of the Senior Bowl. Go check that out. We'll give you tons of updates throughout the week as

well on our various social media accounts. But we talked a lot of specific offensive names in last week's Tuesday show with Bucky and Brian and Dave and kind of went through a lot of the guys on the offensive side of the football. And of course we're very defensive heavy this year via the Draft pro Sys for good reason because the Cowboys obviously need a ton of defense. But guys, whatever, you look at the list of Senior Bowl talent, and Jeff will start with you on this one.

Which level of the defense has the deepest amount of talent? Are we gonna go with the defensive line, linebackers, secondary. If you had to pick one of the three units that's deepest down in Mobile this week, which one would it be? Oh, that is a cheater question. I really like them all, So I'm just gonna pick the one that I want to talk about the most. There's a couple of guys we haven't talked about a lot on the draft. I like it the American team at the

Senior Bowl. I really like the secondary group there because they got a bunch of dudes that I'm a big fan of. We've talked about some of them. Tyree Gillespie, the Missouri free safety. I think he's a fun potential, say third round pick. The Florida State safety Humpsa and the Cyril Deans, and boy, he is a monster. So if you wanted to say, hey, I'm gonna move him to a weak side linebacker and we're gonna party, I

would say, let's get it. I'm right there with you. Yesterday, Jeff, I watched him yesterday, and this is a guy who had a torn ACL missed all but two games in twenty twenty, and then he comes back and plays inc State and just tears them up. And then he goes against Duke. It plays even better in his second game against Duke. I really liked him overall. As Jeff's cambridge just falls down off of a snow globe, but I really liked Missera Deane and what he brought to the

table out of Florida State. Am I still alive? Yes, you're there. We got you. Hey, guys. Yeah. Now I want to talk about my Central Florida dudes, because my Central Florida dudes are dogs. Okay. Central Florida's got a free safety named Richie Grant, And if you have not seen Richie Grant, I would advise you to see Richie Grant because he is now in my top three safeties

in this draft class. Richie Grant is a real life free safety that can get sideline to sideline and when a running back breaks free right up the middle, Richie Grant has zero fear about the collision that's about to take place, and he wants to be part of it. I like Richie Grant a lot. They also have a corner named Aaron Robinson at Central Florida. He plays the

slot for them. He's not the best cover corner in terms of you're blanketed all the time, but if guys start pulling away from him, you get to see speed, and you see tenaciousness and you see a dude that tackles. So Central Florida they got dudes for you in the secondary, and those are all guys that if I'm a Cowboy fan, I'm looking at and I'm saying, all right, talk to me about what we're gonna do in rounds two and three, because I think there's a lot of really fun secondary

players that I would love to see added to this team. Brian, you really liked Richie Grant as well out of Central Florida. Correct. Yeah, Jeff's absolutely right about him. I think that. And even late last night when I was studying him, it was one of those things people ask me, where would you play him? I said, you can play him for back,

it doesn't matter. There's tape of him playing in the middle of the UCF logo ball going all the way to the outside against Tulsa and he's running I mean dead, sprint covering and gets in position I mean the ball and even is like I haven't been thrown and he's moving. He read it that fast, and you know, I just liked the guy's toughness. He's a physical tackler, sometimes a

blockdown tackler, but he will throw his body around. The one thing you notice is when he huddles up, his uniform is dirtier than everyone else's uniform, and that tells me a lot about the kid. You know, there's everybody else's uniform looks nice and clean. His is completely a mess and that tells me a lot. And so I am a big fan. I think I think he's a

true free safety. But I also think, like, if you want to put him down in the box and let him tackle and let him take on runners and toss sweeps and stuff like that, that's son of again, will Phil and make a play for you, really really good football player. Date. Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad y'all didn't.

I'm glad y'all didn't take mine because I act like I wrote a I wrote a preview piece for Dallas Cowboys dot Com yesterday and just sort of diving into who all is actually down there and who's actually going to participate. And I'm excited about these linebackers. Yeah look, okay, I mean there's about there's about six of them that piqued my interest. So we know, Baron Browning, he played great in the playoffs. It's good for him. Chaz Serot, Bucky Brooks last week on our show talked about him

a lot Carolina. I think he had six sacks for Carolina this year, which is very intriguing to me. See what a guy like Devin White can do in Tampa Bay's defense when you let him blitz and then on the other team obviously, you know, we talked about our guy Jabril Cox last week as well. Uh, maybe the

only good thing about La Shoes defense this year. And a name that I'm really interested in that I want to know more about is kJ Britt out of Auburn All SI's first team All SEC last year ten tackles for loss as a junior when we played in two games this year, he had to have surgery on his thumb in October. So this is the first live action he's gonna see in you know, three months. And he checked in today at what six flat two thirty nine.

And the other reason this is exciting to me is, you know, again like I'm curious to see what that means for like the type of linebacker that dan Quinn might want, because all I can think about with him is he drafted Dion Jones, who turned you know, undersized linebacker who turned into a great player. He did it again with Duke Ridley, who never really hit that potential. But again, like you can, oh, thank you wow. Even went to LSU and I screwed up his name thank you, Jeff.

But like the archetype is what interests me. Like Dan Quinn is not afraid draft shorter, smaller, faster linebackers. And there's a few of those guys in Mobile. I just listed off a few of them. But Sarat is really interesting to me. Britt is really interesting to me just because he's coming off of this injury. So and none of these guys are like, you know, first round targets by the way, So these are all guys that the Cowboys could maybe fined on like day two, and that's

really exciting to me. So that's yeah, I like that a lot. Hey, Kyle, And there's another group you need to kind of keep an eye on, and maybe not so much for cowboys sake, but you know, just are you gonna have to sort out what's going on with Jordan Smith from Alabama Birmingham as a potential defensive end linebacker. Rashod Weaver's another one from Pitt that is kind of

that six four two or sixty five pound guy. You know, there's some good defensive ends in this thing that that people are gonna have to say, Okay, is he a linebacker or is he an end? That's the great thing about the Senior Bowl because these coaches will play these guys with a couple of different spots and you can kind of get a gauge of really how they fit best for your scheme, whether you're an odd scheme or an even scheme, you know, with a four three or

three four. I've got I got one more tube And Brian, it kind of touches on that you. You have talked on our show already about levionez Errik, right, I have. He's one of my He's one of my favorite players. So yeah, shame on me. I'm behind you. Obviously I

didn't realize he was an opt out. Yeah, I didn't realize that he didn't play in twenty twenty, and so he's down there, he's gonna compete, and like, I wish we got to see more of that, is I wish more of these optout guys were doing stuff like this. So you know it's not our Michigan's got a couple of guys Andy Thomas and Nico Collins. There's some opt out guys that are going down there and getting in

the action. It's very exciting to me that a guy, you know, because the thing about optouts is you're scared of about not knowing what they look like after a year away. Well, if you've got these three practices of Levi going against badasses, that makes me feel a hell of a lot better about drafting him. So, yeah, this guy, David, I'm glad you mentioned it because he is my ideal undertackle. You know that three technique guy plays in the outside shoulder of the guard. I mean, he is this guy.

He can make some things happen at the point of attack. When you watch him, he's super active. He does a nice job of finding the ball, he gets over, he finishes plays. I mean, Washington's got a couple of guys like I mentioned, I mentioned Molden. They've got a guy try on the defensive end, number nine. Uh. That's uh, that's a that's a good player for them. Uh Levi here, I mean they got down. Yeah, I haven't. I haven't

watched him yet, but it wasn't a yeah. If you've got if you've got some access to the University of Washington tape, whether this year or in twenty nineteen, man, you can make some really good use of it. Owns a rique by the way, and David and I talked about this earlier. If there were to be a Dallas Day, which I don't know if that's even gonna happen because

of COVID nineteen and whatnot. Later in the draft process, I believe the rules are that no team can have any player at their facility at all ever leading up to the draft. Okay, well there you go, So no Dallas Day, never mind. I was gonna say, he's right. Yeah, he's from Allen Allen High School. He was a former Alan Eagle, so he's down the road. He would have been at least in that discussion, but not this year because of COVID nineteen. He needs to be in the

discussion of defensive tackles. You're going to drop agree that he needs to be in this dus. Yeah, I'm all on that train. That would be awesome if you take him in the second or the third round. I don't know if he makes it to the third, but you take him in the second at forty four, I think I think he's a second round player. Yeah, I think your second round. Yeah. This happens to me every single year, so I'm not surprised at all by this point. But

you know, you look at your options at ten. You're like, okay, like you know Farley cer ten, those are good players. That's kind of that, that would be fine. But I started getting really excited when you start pitching me on who could be available in the second round. I'm like, holy crap, that guy might be there. Like there's been about eight of those guys where I'm like, like, own z Arique is a great example. Like you're telling me I could get him at forty four. That's way more

exciting to me than the options at ten. I just that happens every year. Though, let's take him at ten. Guys cannot here you go? Can I bring up one more guy? We talked about guys that can maybe help himself and I don't know if you guys will agree on this player, but it's on the offensive side of the ball. Alex Leatherwood from Alabama. Yeah, yes, And I want to I want to say Alex Leatherwood like going

back to Alabama. I can understand it because of way the draft fell last year, but I want to see if Alex Leatherwood is in that mix of the guys this year. The top guys. So these tackles we've talked about with Slater and Seul, you know, and the and the derreshaf Or Dershaw from Virginia Tech. I want to see where Alex Leatherwood comes out of that, and again

from Alabama. Keep an eye on him the type of week he has him and h and Deontay Brown, his running buddy from Alabama is there as well, being just a massive guy. So two guys that if you're looking for offensive lineman one tackle, one guard and kind of play that. I'm really excited about seeing Creed Humphrey too from Oklahoma the center. So yeah, so just kind of keep an eye on some of these offensive lineman two and see where they're gonna fall in the mix when

we get to start stacking these boards. Isn't that fun about the Senior Bowl because we can start it talking about guys from Grambling State and Northern Iowa and how we're excited to see that, and then at the end you're talking about Creed Humphrey from Oklahoma and Alex Leatherwood from Alabama, and you get to talk about the big school guys and the small school guys they combine. You get to have all kind of that that competition and getting in the thick of things and I love that

about the Senior Bowl. It's always been one of my favorite events, and I think that continues even in a year like this, and I'm so glad that they will have it. We'll have plenty of updates throughout the week from the Senior Bowl, even though we are not there in Mobile. We'll be back on Thursday ten am. Jeff might be on that show should we not be able to get Bucky Brooks back on for a Thursday. But for today that's just because he didn't getting show him.

Now I get kicked off my show. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's how we're rotating cast works. Bucky doesn't come back, I'll volunteer. It'll be fine, Jess said about it. But for Matt Kent in the back for Jeff Cavanaugh, Bryan brought us is David Elman up, Kyle Youelman's thanks for listening. We'll see you Thursday on the Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.