Draft Show: The Calm Before The Storm

twenty twenty one NFL Draft. As we lead you into draft week with the top three hundred board from mister Dane Brugler straight off the athletic We're also going to give you some seven round Cowboys mocks, and then, of course, hearing about twenty to forty five minutes, we'll hit some Twitter on the twenty at some point throughout the course of the show. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeomans. Brian

brought us, We've got Dane Brugler. Bucky Brooks will join us coming up in just a little bit, because you know it's it's draftnos DRAP week now. Because brought us Bucky Brooks already continuing his coverage and continuing to show that he's bigger than us at the NFL Networks, at the NFL Network Yeah, you know, that's what Bucky does when you're a TV guy, you know, and you don't have you know, you have to dress up, you have

to look at presentable. Yeah, it's you know, and Bucky and Bucky went from being a scout to being like a media star. And you know, we knew this time was going to happen. The closer you get to the draft, you know, the media stars are going to show up. But hey, I think we got the best crew of scouts on this show right now. So I bet you we do a really good show with as we get going here. I like it. Dane. Of course, this is a big week for you. Are you Is this a

special time for you? Are you really doing anything extra based off of what your normal draft rep is. No, it's always, you know, the last week is always the calm of for the storm. It's uh, you know a lot of information coming in. This This year is a little different because the medicals are happening so late that now we're starting to get some of the medical information. This guy's got a bad knee, this guy's got a

bad shoulder. Um, and you know, I know these last few weeks gouts have been going to draft meetings with their fingers and toes crossed that they don't get that late information about someone that has been taken off the board because it's something the doctors found. So you know that that we're getting that late information now about some

of these players, and it's certainly affect the first round. UM. But just trying to weed through all the information that we get, uh, you know, what's what's what, What should we believe, what shouldn't we believe, what's true, what's not, and so just trying to make sense of it all. Anybody stick out to you in that regard, Dane, whenever you're you're you're mentioning these these players that could be taken off boards. Have you heard any rumors around the

NFL about some of those players? Well, there are, I mean Terrace Marshall's got a knee. Um, that'll be an shoe for a lot of teams that was flagged. Um. You know there's some others that you know, I'm working to confirm, you know, because just because you hear it from one source doesn't mean that it's absolutely how every

team feels, and so trying to work on some others. Um. But that's you know, with without the combine this year, we had about what one hundred and fifty players go to Indianapolis and get these thorough evaluations, and there's there's always stuff that pops up, you know, a pre existing injury we didn't know about, and so um you know that that's that's gonna be the case with a few of these guys. Arris Mars, of course, the wide receiver

out of Lsue. You just wanted to hit the LSU guy right off the bat and just kind of throw a jab at Brian brought us. I think that's exactly what just happened from Dane. But we've got a chance. Yeah, any him and Helm and any chance I get an I can do that. I make sure and take advantage for good reason, for good reason. Okay, So we've got this thing that was kind of patched down, passed down from up top upstairs. They want us to promote this

twenty twenty one Dallas Cowboys Draft Pick Challenge. Of course, all those who are listing can also be a part of this. It's presented by Draft Kings and Cowboys fans are invited to participate in the free to play twenty twenty one Cowboys Draft Pick challenge. You gotta submit your answers on Dallas Cowboys dot com by the time the draft starts seven pm Central Time on April twenty ninth. And basically what it is is make a mock draft.

You make every one of the ten picks the Cowboys have are laid out on this draft board, and you can go through and basically fill out this sheet of paper and make your picks to potentially what you think the Cowboys are going to do. It's basically a bracket challenge like you do for March Madness, but instead it's with the NFL Draft. And so of course us being the Draft Show, we're gonna all submit, not even just

these hosts and Bucky Brooks. We're gonna also do it with Dave, We're gonna do it with Kat, We're gonna do it with Jeff as well. But every one of us are gonna submit a sheet of all ten picks and what we think are going to happen. Brian, we're gonna let you start things offense. I do I actually really like your ten picks and what you what direction you ended up going there. We're trying to guess exactly what the Cowboys are going to do, not necessarily what

we would do. But Brian, what did you have in terms of your first round pick traffic? Yeah, I went with my first round pick. I went with Patrick Certan is who I went with. I just feel like though that if you know, there's a there's a couple of different ways this draft could go, depending on what happens with pits, with depending on what happens with the offensive lineman. But I just feel like that at the end of the day, they're going to take the best player for them.

They're going to take the steady player. They're going to take the guy that they feel like that they could plug in and make that starter. And you know, and we all talked about it, uh you know, really about what type of player he is, you know, And I think at the end of the day, that's what you want to do. You just want to get the guy that best fits what you can do. But it also allows you to, uh, you know, to to hit a need, uh you know, a big need for this team with

that secondary. So to my opinion, Patrick Surtan will be that guy. As the Cowboys pick at their number ten, I went with uh TCUs. I went with Morick the safety from TCU as my second guy. I went with Dunce at at offensive town. I went and got your North Dakota State. I went and got my North Dakota State guy. I went and got my defensive tackle McNeil from from North Carolina's state there at ninety nine. I went and got a defensive end with Snowden from Virginia

at four one fifteen. I went and got a linebacker, Rice from Georgia at one thirty eight, Hawker the guard from Texas A and M at one seventy nine. And then I kind of went on a flyer here at one ninety two. I went with Adams, the wide receiver from Arkansas state of six two, type of a player. There. I went with Lenor the corner from Oregon at the two twenty seven, and then carry Vincent, my LSU guy

at two thirty nine. So I tried to help the defense with some mixed in some of those offensive players that we were talking about. Dame, whenever you look at what brought us, just did now run through it again, Sir Tan marrig Radunce, McNeil, Snowden, Rice, Hawker, Adams, Lenore Vincent. So that's the ten straight up and down. Well, one thing that stuck out to me was going to get in that edge rusher in the fourth round. And it's always tough to try and find an edge rusher going

into Day three of the draft. But with Snowden from Virginia, I mean, he's a guy who has some high upside. He's got fantastic length, got great size. What does he bring to the table if the Cowboys were looking for an edge rusher maybe on Day three's he's fascinating because the way you set it up, he's he's really tall, he's really he looks like a basketball player, and that's

what he was most of his life. That he thought he was going to be playing in the NBA one day and now he's getting ready to be an NFL draft pick coming off a major injury. So that is a factor here. And just you know, the medical is being clean and you know, trusting where he is in his rehab. But six three and a half two hundred forty five pounds, a really fluid mover, a guy that

can play on the edge. You know, power you kind of worry about, you know, does he he has thirty five in charms, but can he use that to his advantage. Can he weaponize his hands. That's where I think he needs to really grow to become a full time NFL contributor. But you love how fluid he is in space, He shows up in the backfield. He has over thirty cackles for a loss in his career. There's just a lot to like about his recognition, skills, his fluid athleticism, his length.

So we got it? What is it the fourth round? Or to me? Yeah, and Dane, where where I where? I have a problem with how this player was used. I don't think there was a bigger misuse of a player than this kid. I mean, I'm watching him in that three or four I'm watching him drop. He's you know, dropping, he's playing a coverage and then but when he's rushing, You're like going, Okay, he's got something here, He's got something going on here. So I thought the Virginia coaches,

you know that they did. I thought they did a really poor job of using or playing to his skill. And I understand, you know, Bronco Mendenhall and what they're trying to do their Virginia, But man, this kid, I think if you get his hand on the ground and let him rush, you're gonna you can find a guy that can maybe be a little bit of a special

player here. I like it. I question if he has the power to do that consistently, but I do think if you're able to weaponize his hands, then I think you're right, you might find a guy that's gonna really out play that draft spot brought us. What made you go with where a Dunce at the third third round pick? I mean, this is a guy, of course, out of North Dakota State, that was a uh that was a Senior Bowl guy, really kind of impressed during his time there.

But why why did you go that direction whenever? I mean there could be some other guys potentially in that same realm at the third round, seventy fifth pick. Yeah, you know, I mean, now we are a couple of guys that I kind of thought about. You know, I thought about Smith from East Carolina. I just wanted to go with an offensive tackle. Forsyth is another guy from Florida that's a big guy. I just kind of went on the thought that maybe here's a guy that's really

kind of young. I mean when you talk about where where he's come from, you know, I was looking forward, the guy that's got the traits that could grow and can develop and stuff like that. Maybe some of these offensive line and Smith from East Carolina is could have been one of those guys, but a little bit of a lighter guy, you know. I just wanted to grab that that developmental offensive tackle at that spot and then hope that like, Okay, maybe you can work with him.

You put strength on him, and then he kind of he doesn't have to play initially, but with the Cowboys, you never know, he might get thrown in in week three, you know. But I just liked with Redunds. I just liked the makeup of him, and I like how he handled himself, you know, and all the opportunities that he got. Dan, what are your thoughts on the North Dakota State tackle? You know, I wasn't thrilled with him on tape. I gave him a fourth round grade just based off of

the tape. I thought there were some balance issues, you know, some some play strength issues, but he swayed me at the Senior Bowl watching him during practice, I thought he did a really nice job and I gave him a little bit of bump in my rankings and just just based off of those what he did and seeing him a person, seeing him move, the mirroring skills I thought were really good, and so what Dylan Raidens was able to do, I bumped him up to seventy four overall

on my board. I still a little worried about just how overaggressive he can be and how that leads to some balance issues. But I think he's instinctive. I love the demeanor that he plays with. He's really it has that nasty temperament that you want. He'll get after it in the run game. There's no question about that thirty four inch arms. But I know some teams even view him as a better guard at the next level, which

I think is debatable. So but I do think that you know you're trying him a tackle, and you know a guy that might give you some versatility. So we took him at seventy five, so yeah, right around where I have him too, So I think it makes sense there are going to be some tackles in that third round, fourth round that at least could be developmental. I like Radunds too, brought us. I'm right there with you. He's my fifth offensive tackle or excuse me, sixth offensive tackle

on the board behind Tevin Jing. But there's a I mean there's a massive gap between those two guys, and I think Redunds is one of those that could fall and be one of the developmental pieces. We've got Bucky Brooks as a part of the show. Now, Bucky, welcome in. Glad you're able to join us seven days before the NFL Draft. Are you excited? I can see the smile

on your face. You have that nervous wave though, Well, I'm exciting until I look over and I see Brian brought us, who is in full draft mode because right now everything is negative Nancy like he's shaking his head. He's not necessarily happy. He wants to figure out a way because he doesn't feel like he has enough picks to get the thing done. So that that's what I'm doing. I'm over here looking at Brian brought us because I am one that I would just trade array. I think

we can get it done with five picks. We don't need all these picks that Brian is over here hoarding. Well, I'll tell you what, you know, what if you wouldn't spend so much time on TV, you know, you figure out how to use all those picks. You know, we don't need all these picks, all those extra picks that you're accumulating. You just hoarding them all. Hey, I worked hard to get these picks, man. I had to give up some players to get these extra picks, so you know, hey,

I'll do what I have to do. I love it now, Briant. Okay, guys, Brian a question, right question with his mock. Uh did J. C. Horne come into consideration at all for you at number ten? It's interesting you look at the betting odds of who's gonna be the first defended drafted, and Certain is the clear favorite. Quitty pays right behind him, and then Horn is an interesting one. Could could you can see? Is it possible that the Cowboys would uh prefer Horn over Certain?

Do you think that's a possibility for this team? Yeah, you know, and I do, And I went I went to safe route, is what I did because of the ten pick me. Personally, I'd love for them to pick Horn. I wish I had the guts to just pick Horn for them. I think there's a there's a genuine relationship between Dan Quinn and Will must Champ, and I think they're going to know everything in the book about JC Horn and what he brings, and everybody will tell you though,

well he holds, he does this, he does that. I'll tell you what though, I have him above Certan. I just kind of feel like that the Cowboys, when you and knowing those guys for that particular pick, they're going to try and get the steadiest player there. They might not try and hit the home the home run would be if Pitts was there. You know, that would be the home run for them. Take Pitts, move on, We've got, like Bucky was saying, you've got all these other picks,

you'll figure out what defensive players. Me personally, I would have taken Horn if it was me. But I think for them and trying to pick what they were going to do, I felt like that they were going to go the safer, the surer route with that particular pick. Question. Brand, So, what is the thing with you, Like, what is it about jac Horne that you like more than Patrick Sertan? You know, I think it's the To me, Bucky, I'm always like really edgy players, and I think there's some

edgy this to this guy. I think Sir Tan is to me, you know, when you watch him play, everything is it seems like everything is in control, you know, the pedal, the turn, the play, I mean, everything is conturned. With Horn, there's a little bit of chaos. But football. Football is not always a perfect game, and sometimes you have to have players that have chaos in their life and chaos the way they play. And I think that's where I think that's where Horn steps it up for me.

I you know, when when he's covering and and my top fifty one or top one hundred or top three hundred, whatever you want to say, Pits is my second best player on that board, and I'm watching Horn cover Pits and Pits is looking at him like get off me, you know that kind of thing, like he's He's like, get away from me, you know. And that when I was watching that, I'm thinking, this kid gets it, this kid gets it. And again I want that guy. I

want that type of player. But I just think that the Cowboys will probably take the safer path than taking a guy that, again that likes chaos. I think it's interesting that you talk about like the chaos or whatever. I will say. I agree with you about the edginess.

I do believe his superpower won the best trace his competitiveness and his physicality, and in the right environment, it absolutely could be a tone setter for the the boys want to get down like that on defense, like I know Dan Quinn back in the Legion of Boom days, when you have Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and all those guys, it's a collection of edgy guys. And so it does he want to be a zookeeper again where he's having to rain those guys in or do they

want to steady eddy players. I think that is what is unknown, because I really don't have a sense for what McCarthy wants the coach of the team to be. And I think that's a great point because I think there's a debate right now going on between the scouting department and the coaching staff across the hall from where we are. I think the scouting department is looking at Patrick R. Tan Brian and saying exactly what you just did and saying that he's in control, he's fundamentally sound,

he's a good player. Overall, you're gonna you know what you're getting out of Patrick's r Tan. But then you've got this coaching staff that wants some dogs that wants some of that mentality. They want that extra edginess to finally put themselves over the top. Because you could say the same thing about Certain that you did about Digs right where it's fundamentally sound, there's a lot to grow on. He's gonna get burned from time to time, but ultimately

he's a good player. He's got a high floor, whereas jac Horne is a different beast and it's a different player just like that. And I don't know if you necessarily agree with that sentiment, but I feel like that's probably the debate that's going on across the hall from here.

You know, there's there's yeah, there's certain, there's certain. There's certain scouts over there that they're like me, They're like, give me this guy that's super competitive and all that, you know, And I think you have to wonder a little bit about Certan. Is he going Is he what he is as we watch him and evaluate him, which is a really is a good player. But is he at that level where he's going to be? Is he

going to get better? You know? Or is you know, we're seeing the finished product at Alabama that's playing in national championship games and playoff games and win in sec titles. There's nothing wrong with that. But I think with Horn there's a little bit of that intrigue that like, man, you could go get you a guy that could be one of the top guys for a while, just because of the the edginess and that and that kind of that demeanor that he has that you know he gets

mad when you catch the ball on him. I mean, he you could tell he gets mad him give me that guy. I kind of liked that, But again, I think the Cowboys should go in another way. Yeah. Well, and the other thing too is and I mentioned this before, but the South Carolina coaches just that they rave about since the day he showed up as a true freshman, how he was part of the culture should not even part of it. He was leading the culture change there. Um. And he's not as brash as his dad. He's not

gonna pull a cell phone out of his sock. But he is not afraid to speak up. He is not afraid to be the loudest voice in the room when he needs to be. He's not gonna go out of his way. It's not you know, it's not forced. Um, you know, but he is not afraid to speak up. It'd be a part of being the difference. And I think that's that's something that's going to factor in when you talk about these corners as well. Uh, if if Farley was if Farley wasn't dealing with the back issue

brought us, how would you rank those three? Like, how would you have those three in order? Horn certant and what I've what I've gathered a little bit, Guys, if I could help you here is people believe that Farley can rehab his back. They are worried about longevity questions there. But I'll say this, I was on a staff that didn't draft Larry Allen because they fail. We failed him on a rotator cup on her shoulder project. I was

on it. I was on I drafted and again I don't mean I, but in Philadelphia we drafted Jeremiah Trotter. I had a doctor tell me, I don't know if he's going to play ten games for ten years. I think he played thirteen years is what he did. So again I'm not saying scout should put dr period in front of their name, but somebody in the organization. I'll give another example. Sean Rogers was a player at the University of Texas was a defensive tackle second round pick

by the Detroit Lions. I'll never forget Jerry Jones in that meeting going to Jim Mauer, the trainer. It goes, tell me why I can't draft this guy again? Please tell me why I can't draft this guy again. So these doctors, these trainers, they're giving you their best view on these guys. You know, we'll see maybe this kid doesn't doesn't have another problem, or maybe he's got a chronic back issue. Though that's the sad thing that's going on right now that we're trying to figure out as

we go forward here. All right, we've got about five minutes to hit this next mock draft. Who wants to go next? Bucky Dane who has their seven round Cowboys mock ready to roll. I mean I can talk about it either way for him. I mean, like, okay, so, being a big school snob that I am, uh, you won't see many you won't hear many directional schools or anything like that, No far out things or whatever like. So I'm thinking I'm thinking at ten, we're gonna go

Patrick's ten with Alabama. I've seen a lot of baseball games one, when you just hit singles and doubles, you don't always have to hit it to park to win games. At forty four, I'm going with Carlos boogie bashing because I think he's gonna be sitting there like a blinking light. I like his athleticism, his urgency, and versatility. I think he has a chance to be a really, really good player. Seventy five, I'm gonna get us a playmaker at the second level. How about Chace a Rod from North Carolina.

Not talked about enough. He is someone because I go back and I think about the Cowboys taking Bruce Carter. The Chace a Rod has more athleticism, is a more dynamic player than Bruce Carter was at that time. It's funny in the third round at ninety nine, you guys talked about the guy that I have circled that I think would be a great fit, and that's Deonta Smith from East Carolina. I'm just thinking inside, trying to prepare for the future. When you have Connor Williams who could

depart after next year, that could be a fit. I'm thinking in the fourth round, and it's funny because this guy has some buzz when we were coming out of the senior bolting, but he's kind of falling down the ranks a little bit. If James Huston is somewhere there for whatever reason, I think you have to take an offensive tackle. His athleticism as a one year player coming out of Michigan, to me intrigues me. So I'm all

about him at the fourth round if he's available. I think this is going to make Brian brod Is spit up in his mouth when I say this, but I'm okay with it. In the fourth round. Sean Wade, Sean Wade intrigues me, not only as a nickel corner, but potentially as a safety. And when I think about what Dan Quinn was able to do with Demante Kazi coming out of San Diego State, a guy who had like seventeen or eighteen interceptions, he ended up putting him as

a center field player. Maybe Sean Wade is a pick is a flyer at that point in the fifth round. If I don't like Sean Wade as that transition guy, I double up because Andre Cisco coming off to ACL is there. When you think about guys who get their hands on the ball, they always get their hands on the balls in the pros man thirteen interceptions in twenty fourth career games. That's remarkable wol production. I'm going that

sixth round. I'm thinking Kaye Johnson wide receiver, just in case we don't know what we're gonna get with Michael Gallup after this year. Maybe kay Johnson can slip in. And I forgot to talk about moving up and down, but I gave away some of those picks that you worry about in the seventh round because I want to make sure that I got those guys on my list.

So that's what I got for You brought us. You can have bad because I know you would have added like eight or nine more seventh round picks because you covered those at the bottom. I do thank you for mentioning. You know what, I'll say this, Bucky, I honestly don't have a problem with what you just did. And I like your explanation of Wade. I really do. This is a league where you got to put guys on the field that can cover Some of his most productive days

were played in the slot. You just got to find a way to reach the kid right there. And I like what you said about the transition from corner to safety. We saw with Kaze out of San Diego State back in the day. And I'll tell you what, man, this was a guy that I know, if you follow Dane Burglar like we all do, Dane initially had a guy like Wade is one of the top corners, and then things happened along the way. But I like what you

did with that. I the Sharat pick at three, though, that one, that was the one that bothered me a little bit, you know, because I don't know if I'm working on a conversion right there. You know, a former quarterback, you know, athlete. I get it and all that stuff. But if I'm if I'm gonna do something like that, I'm probably gonna do it in the fourth or fifth round. I'm probably not gonna do it in the third like you did. But I don't have a problem other than

that with what you did. The only reason, the only reason I think Sarat would be more valued in the Cowboys draft room than others is because when you look at DQ and the guys that he took, like Dionne Jones was a guy that I don't know if people necessarily thought would be that run around, second level playmaker

or whatever, there's other guys. I think they took Duke Riley at the Falcons two for a minute, trying to find that undersized guy that is kind of like that hybrid nickel player I think for sir rot and annoying those within the program talking about the transition or whatever, like this is a dude who in high school was like a three sports star, like he and his brother could do anything they wanted to do. And so you talk about making the unique move from quarterback to linebacker.

One speaks to your mentality because most quarterbacks don't say, hey, you know what I want to do. I want to go where it's the noisiest and that's where I want to go play. And I just think in a defense where he could be covered up a little bit with bodies up front and they're looking for a guy that can run and chase athletically, he could get on the field, and as they're currently constructed, I could see his ability to move around and cover could make Jalen Smith get

off the field. Although it's obvious passing that like looking for your true nickel linebacker. I mean, I know you hate directional schools and stuff, but you should have looked at the kid Malone from Western Kentucky. That's the type of guy that's a freakish, relentless athlete. Did they play I wouldn't. Did they play on Saturdays or Fridays? Because

I only watched, only watched college football on Saturdays. I just remember that Walter Payton went to school I believe in Jackson State, Jerry Rice in Mississippi Valley, I think is where he went. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think of some more Hall of Fame type guys that went to schools that Bucky that you didn't want to go didn't you didn't that you didn't want to go to I'm just some would have told me that Ron told me, Hey, there's no question shot at the big,

big applying store. Don't go around to the mom and pops. What Ron Wolfe would tell you, And you know this more better than most. If you're from one of these places, you better walk on water. That's what Ron would say. You better be a guy that walks on water. In small visions of Tadpole running in my m how about how about Cameron mccron. How about mccron from Michigan. Then how about Okay Dane m wrong about mcgron, the linebacker from Michigan. Yes, as long as the knees. Okay, speed

is the name of his game. He's quick. He his reactive quickness is outstanding. As long as the knee checks out. Yeah, I think that you're getting good value. I don't know about the third, but fourth, fifth, Yeah, that's uh, that's actually why I have in my mock going to the Cowboys. Wow. There you go. Wow, Hey, Brian read Dane's mind. How about that. I love this conversation, except for whenever Bucky was taking shots at the conference to say that's the school.

I mean, that's my conference. That's conference. I had to take a shot at conference. He took a shot at Lestern, Kentucky. Yes, that's conference, saying if they're playing on Fridays, Hey, Bucky, because it comes to games on Friday nights, you could have taken You could have taken one of those North Carolina you get to taken with those North Carolina running backs to get you with Carolina guy in you know,

don't don't feel bad, it's okay. I passed. I passed on Das Knew, so I didn't take daw L. They could double up. I can make fun of what you just said so much, But the only ESPN game that I've called for like a football game was a Conference USA game, and guess what it was on a Friday night. So I guess I can't really say a whole lot. Let's go ahead and take our first break when we

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dot Com Draft Show. So glad you're with us week at Brian brought us name Bruglar Key Brooks, I'm Kyle Yeoman's and well, gentlemen, it's time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter Chris Beam as always doing fantastic work in the back and well, I do want to give a quick shout out for all of the fans that put Twitter questions up On Tuesday. We did an entire show full of Twitter on the twenty questions and it was a lot of fun. Got

to a ton of them. But I want to ask this question because I feel like we've we've gone back and forth on this and why is this has kind of been one of those debates that have been raging amongst Cowboys Nation. But Cowboys Underscore Braves on Twitter. That's the Twitter handle, So I guess they're big Atlanta and Dallas fan at the same time. Why do you think Micah Parsons would be a bad pick at pick number ten? What are his knocks? He seems like a complete linebacker.

We've talked about a lot of Micah Parsons, but Bucky. Why would he not be the ideal pick at pick number ten or why could he be? I actually think he would be the ideal pick. I think if you look at a second level of shop wrecker, I think he can do that. I know I'm a little impacted by my interactions with him as a high school and going up and continue to talk to him or whatever, but I will say this about him as a player,

unique combination of strength, power and explosiveness. Probably the best blitzer that I've seen, and sometimes in terms of his ability to get from point A to point B in a hurry and he's completely disrupted. Now. I think if your locker room has enough maturity around it where he doesn't necessarily have to step into the leadership role, I

think he will thrive in that environment. But if you're tasked, if you're asking him to be the leader to point on the sword, I don't know if he's ready for that, even though his game suggests he could be an all star player. Yeah, I think Bucky's absolutely right. And the more old Krusty's like Bucky that I talked to around the league. People are starting to feel more comfortable with the player. And what's happened is the player is starting to admit as a young man that he had some

maturity issues. And Bucky's right about we could all watch the tape and see what he brings as a player. The questions we're going to be about the maturity and then okay, what happened with the hazing thing? You know, those were the things. But it appears that scouts are far more comfortable with the player now. I know that we talked about him initially as a guy in the top ten and then he fell out of all that, but yeah, we're starting to starting to see him in

that mode. I think Bucky's absolutely right. If they don't take a cornerback at ten and they're taking a defensive player, this kid could be could very well be the pick because they're feeling more comfortable with him. Yeah, I don't think that. I don't agree with anybody that's had to be a bad pick. I think it's fair to call it a risky pick. I think that's fair when you

factor in everything. You know the background, so there's a decision making because you know, Michael Parsons could be your you know, typical twenty twenty one year old who you know, just like I'm sure all of us made some immature decisions in the past but grew out of it and became responsible adults. He could absolutely take that pack, or could be something like some other guys who are immature in their youth and never really grow out of that.

You know. There's just there's no crystal ball here, and I think some teams will be more comfortable with him than others. I think you look at the Lions at seven, That's that's where I think you start to consider Michael Persons as a possibility. Um. But you know, there's too much talent there, you know, like you guys are saying, there's the talent. Wise, I don't understand, you know, why

he's a top ten talent in this class. I think I'm very confused by a lot of people who are not on board with just the talent the football player. I get the off field concerns, the risk, but on the field there's a lot going for him. You guys said it better than I could have even put it. But it's not a bad pick. It's just not to pick that we want or not to pick that we're excited about it. And I've had this conversation on other shows that I've been on as well about I really

like Michael Parsons. He's still my top linebacker on my board. I like him as a player. There's just concerns and question marks around him specifically either on the field and off the field, that have me concerned going into the draft. Whereas other guys like a JC Hornpatricks or Tan those question marks just aren't as high. And that's basically what I think about Michael Parsons. Okay, this question I really

intrigued me. And this comes from Clay Slocum on Twitter and he says, as scouts, how much time do you spend reviewing past draft notes, so other draft notes from other drafts? Do you do you ever find patterns that you may be getting right or wrong in your analysis of those past notes? Brian, Yeah. The thing you have to know if if you work for the Dallas Cowboys

is you have a general manager. It's not a traditional general manager when it comes to going out and evaluating players like you could play a game on Sunday on Monday. A lot of general managers review the tape on Tuesday, they're on the road scouting. So what you have to do is you have to be able to explain to a guy like Jerry Jones who he's looking at when you compare another player somebody maybe was two, three, four years ago, that he understands that he's playing in the league.

So you find yourself a lot of time working for the Dallas Cowboys coming up with guys that you previously saw in order to help him along. I reviewed draft notes all the time. I'm so interested in what I thought of a particular player, and so yeah, it's something that that's the only way you get better because you want to be able to say, oh, this player reminds me of this guy that I saw. Well, you brand up most important trait for an evaluator, the ability to

be a self evaluator. You have to understand what you missed on what you got right. I think that helps you grow as as a scout to understand, Okay, I missed this about because you're going to miss that. That's part of It's almost like you know, you're a hitter in baseball, You're going to you know, get out if you get on base four out of ten times you're doing a heck of a job, and so with an

evaluator it's not quite the same. But you know you're going to miss on some of these players, and it's important to understand why did we miss Is it something I missed on tape? Is it maybe I was valuing a trait more so than I should have. And so each position is a puzzle. And as the game evolves, so does you're scouting, and so the ability to be a self evaluator is critical for every single scout out there to understand their strengths and weaknesses as they scout

this game. You know, I love where both of you guys mentioned. I think, Brian, you bring up something that I think is maybe missed you sometimes on ours part, and that's the comparisons. I think people fans get annoyed by comparisons. Players get annoyed. But what we're trying to do is paint a picture for the coach, for the general manager. This is who this player could be, This is who he reminds me of. This is maybe a starting point or an ending point in terms of where

he could evolve and get to. And dame your point about being able to self assess be self critical, and then continue to expand your horizon as an evaluator, the game has constantly changed. If you could have told me ten years ago that a Lamar Jackson would be at MVP level quarterback or that Josh Allen could go from his struggles at Wyoming to being a high end quarterback, I never would have believed you because we had never seen anybody do those things at the position that Lamar

Jackson and Josh Allen have done and have success. And so now as an evaluator, you have to be able to evolve as you are evaluating the position, and I think the great evaluators always able to admit, Hey, I didn't used to think about it this way, but now I have to think about it in a different way

because I'm seeing guys have success in the league. And so I can either stay back here in the nineties or I can move up to the twenty twenties and say that the game is different, and the athletes playing the game successfully are also different, and I need to greet accordingly. Yeah, Bucky's absolutely right about that. Like you know, twenty years ago, when when sat In drafted hims, you would have never believed that a guy like Kyler Murray

was going to go first. Overall, he just wasn't gonna happen. You know. I mean that there were so many things that were against certain types of players, whether it's the measurables whatever, But yeah, I mean you have to be able to evolve as the game, as the processes have

evolved as well. Kind of sticking along the lines of the linebacker talk that we had and then what Bucky just said a moment ago about how different prospects are kind of the that's all rage right now in the twenty twenties, Zaven Collins, this is a question from Cowboys Coffee talk. Dane mentioned Cowboys interest in the past. Is there any indication if they see him as a sam linebacker or maybe purely as an edge. He asked this question because he has reserves about the twenty or excuse me,

two hundred and seventy pound linebacker himself. Dane, Cowboys interest there, But where would they put him? Well, that's the question, what's the fit? And really really interesting. Albert Breer tweeted yesterday that when Zaven Collins went for his medicals in Indianapolis, weighed in at two hundred and seventy pounds. That is fascinated.

He was two fifty pro day and seventy pounds. I mean, well, and where my thought process goes is, Okay, which team told him you're you would be an edge rusher for us, you would be a defensive end for us, because why else are you putting on eleven pounds? You know, you hope it's not a neglect or you know, he he's just uh putting the you know, the foot off the

pedal in terms of his working work, working out. But my assumption would be there's a team that said, you know, we really like you as an edge rusher, we really like you as a guy that's going to be going downhill getting after the quarterback, and maybe if you add a little bit of weight you can be a better banger in terms of stopping the run, setting a hard edge.

So that's that's a really interesting fit. I don't know that he's a fit at two seventy for this team, for the Cowboys and this defense the way it's constructed, But for a team out there, whether they know the Patriots, the Cardinals, one of those teams in the mid first first yeah, well yeah, and I'll tell you I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Another team the crusties are all talking

about is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're talking about, you know, with them losing Bud Dupree and stuff like that, that maybe the Steelers got involved with this one too. Everybody has the Steelers taking kind of a running back maybe, but this might be one of those ones that I know for a fact with the Cowboys, you cannot take a player like this at ten. You can't. There's no way you can. They are not going to take a sam linebacker at ten. I'm sorry. That's just not gonna

that's not gonna happen. But there are other teams out there that everybody does believe that. Okay, hey, here's some three four teams. Again, a lot of scouts talking about

the Pittsburgh Steelers. Keep an eye on that team. Yeah, it's interested that you bring it up because for the Cowboys and the way that we aarticipated them playing at a dan Quinn Zavier Collins doesn't really have a position because he's kind of like the big, thick linebacker where in the draft room we would appreciate him, we would say, hey, he's talented, but he's really not a great fit for

us because where will we put him at? And I just don't know, but I think it's interesting you talk about a guy showing up at two hundred and seventy pounds that screams to me Patriots, Steelers, heavy handed type team, somewhere where he can go out there and he can kind of beat the slug that beats on the tight end and maybe comes off the edge and does some of that stuff. So this next question is real intriguing

to me. It's not necessarily anything to learn about, but it's fun to think of because you guys have done this for quite some time. What's your favorite draft moment? This question just comes from Red straight up. What is your favorite draft moment? He said while covering the Cowboys. I don't necessarily want to limit either one of you three to that question because there's been plenty of drafts where you haven't covered the Cowboys, but Bucky will start

with you. What's your favorite draft moment is where a week out from the next one, I will go back to when I was working with the Seattle Seahawks. It might have been my first or second year, but we took Steve Hutchinson at guard and at the time Walter Jones was already in place and just watching how you can take a dominant guard compare with the dominant offensive tackle, and the entire league can know that you're running that

way and no one can stop it. And so there's something too like when you see what we call god jacket level players giving them their just due and just taking them even though positional value and all that other stuff creeps in. I think sometimes we have to remember man grade the talent, and if you can add a collection of talented players, you can win. You just can't go wrong taking the best player available. So we're taking Kyle Pitts. That is now confirmed from Bucky Brooks that

Kyle Pitts will be a Dallas Cowboy. Brian favorite draft moment, yeah, Oh, Krusty's got a lot of them, But my favorite one was two thousand and five when the Scouts actually won against Bill Parcels, and it was it's when he wanted nothing to do with the Marcus ware and the Scouts were fighting him. He wanted Sean Merriman, And I mean it came down to literally a morning of the draft

when the decision was made. We were we were before the meeting before the draft started, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and I'll tell you this, Rick Goslin from the Allas Morning News, who we all know. Rick Gossin was the reason why the Dallas Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware because the night before the draft he was able to get a hold of Jerry Jones. He had this network of scouts and general managers they talked to, and he had all the information and he convinced Jerry's like, where will be

a better player long term than Merriman. And but after that first year, we were all like, oh my gosh, what is Merriman done? Kind of thing. So but then if you look at overall how it all turned out though, But yeah, that was that was probably my favorite moment of a draft when it was it came down to the morning of the draft and then the decision was made of who we were going to take at the eleventh pick, and it worked out great for the Dallas Cowboys. Guys.

It's a great one, all right, Dane. For me, you know, it just goes I think about just starting doing this, doing this draft stuff, and I go back to two thousand and four, how much how fun that draft was when you're talking about the quarterbacks and the intrigue about Eli Manning, Philip rivers a lot of teams love Ben Roethlisberger in that draft, you know, the uh you know, the Giants were looking at him possibly if they weren't able to make that trade to get Eli Manning, who

the Chargers took at number one, they were ready to take Roethlisberger at number four. That was the same draft with Kellen Winslow and Sean Taylor. I mean, that was really one of my first drafts where I was into this and you know, scouting these players and getting involved and just the the intrigue of that top ten was was so much fun and something that'll stick with me for a long time. Can ask a question, Kyle Ye

want to ask Brent? I want I want to ask so Brian like thinking about that draft because ed drafts is fascinating to me because we had those quarterbacks or whatever. So there's this narrative out there about quarterbacks being pushed up. I never heard that thing in draft rooms or whatever. But I do wonder, Brent, is that A is that a valid primus to A If a's a quarterback, he deserves more credit or back in the day, during that

time with Eli Ben and Rivers. Did those guys actually merit those grades to be drafted over Sean Taylor and those guys. Yeah, that's the problem with the evaluation with the quarterbacks. And I'll tell you what though, at Green Bay, we did something that was criminal to a quarterback, and that was Steve McNair. And we put Steve McNair in the second round on our board, on our board, and

I think he went third overall. And when I remember, I remember going to the board because I was the guy responsible, Elliott Wolf who now works for the Patriots. Elliott was ten years old and he helped me with the tags and stuff. And I'll never forget when the Houston Oilers made that pick and I had to go get his tag, I mean like the third pick, and I had to get his tag the second round and put it on that board on the Houston other side of the board, and I'm thinking, man, did we just

really mess this up? And sure enough we did. But we're from a system, and Bucky you're part of that system too, where you say, hey, this is where we see the player a quarterback tied in tackle whoever, I mean, there was no. There was no Okay, push him up because he's a quarterback and do this and that. I mean, we were trying to be fair about it. Will we ride all the time? Absolutely not? But I know I came from a system that tried to measure all the

players at the same level. It's interesting hearing about Steve McNair being a second round grade and then going third overall. Is that not a little bit reminiscent of what Mac Jones is going through right now? If that ends up being the pick at well number three, let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. I had somebody tell me this yesterday about about Mac Jones. But I don't believe that Mac Jones is going to be the third on all the pick me personally, I don't. I

don't believe it. I don't believe it. But I will say this though, Daniel Jones was picked sixth overall by the Giants and someone told me that, and that was a that was the punch in the face right there. That was like, listen, you don't like Mac Jones, Well somebody took Daniel Jones at at sixth overall. Think about that, and I'm like, there's your possibility. All it takes is somebody. We say this every year. All it takes is somebody

to fall in love. And you know, if you like Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins wasn't what a fourth round pick. But if you like Kirk Cousins, you should like mac Jones. And you know, and Kirk Cousins has played a long time in this league. Is he the greatest player in the league, greatest quarterback? La, No, he's not. But like I say, all it takes is that one team to say this is our guy and that team at San Francisco, It's not John Lynch running that team. It's Kyle Shanahan

running that team. John Lynch is the guy that has the title. It's Kyle Shanahan's the one running that team. He's going to take the players he wants to take, not the players that John Lynch wants to take him. It's funny, Brian. I think the mac Jones thing is really important because I do believe our biggest mistakes come when we deviate away from really the purity of the process. Right. So we've all sat up here and talked about Kyle Pitts being arguably the best or second best player in

the draft. And I think what happens is maybe even on our side, maybe even within the league, because I think they're more influenced by the media than they will always admit. I think this thing with the quarterbacks has really tainted the process when it comes to really grading players, because if we really kept it as simple as hey, if we're playing a game out in the park, who would I want? Yeah, all of those quarterbacks wouldn't be in the conversation as like top five in this draft class.

And so I think it just muddies the water, and then we make these mistakes trying to get it right on draft night as opposed to, Hey, I want to be right in three years that I said this guy can play and he's gonna play at this level. That's what my grade is, as high as it is combined sixty five years of draft experience between this panel right here.

That's why I wanted to ask that question, because Dane's been doing this for sixteen years, Bucky, you've been doing it since two thousand and one, Brian, of course, since nineteen ninety two. I think that's just a fun thing to think about going into next week because it could end up being your favorite draft moment next year or excuse me, next week four years to come, that we'll be talking about down the road. Let's take our second break.

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hit your picks. We've got about four minutes here. Hit your picks, and then tell us your favorite thing about your top three hundred. Oh, I'll get my top three hundred out of the way. My favorite wing is I don't have to do it again. It's don get it out of the way. It's it's tough doing those things for like a generic you know, I don't have a specific team I'm scouting for. You know, a specific culture,

that type of thing. So it's tough ranking those top three hundred, but hopefully people check it out because I put a lot into it my seven round long for the Cowboys. So starting with Patrick's Urtan just like uh, you know the first two mocks, I think percentage chance of it happening, you have to it's the highest. Um. I don't think that we should eliminate JC Horne from that conversation. He's really intriguing as a dark horse candidate

there In the second round, and went Javon Holland at Oregon. Uh, you know we know that this defensive coordinator went up to Oregon for that pro day. Uh. You talk about, you know this this scheme and a guy that can play safety, he could play the nickel. Uh. You know, a guy who's approven, go and get the football guy. Javon Holland as really interesting for this this scheme and this team. At number forty four seventy five, I went with on the defensive line, and I went with Milton

Williams at a Louisiana tech like it. Um, I think he's a play you know Tyron Crawford, Uh, he could be your next Tyron Crawford. A guy that could play inside, could play outside. Uh, you know he's sixty three two eighty five, really good athlete. You wish he was a little bit longer, But a guy that is just kind of scratching the surface of what he could be if you get him at pick seventy five. I really liked

that value. What with Deonte Smith, just like Bucky there and in the late third, I think he's You're kind of in a lot of ways your ideal developmental tackle, but can also play inside a guard. He did both at the Senior Bowl and played it at a high level. And round number four, pick one fifteen when Chauncey Golston, I just I love adding a player like that to bolster my defensive line in the fourth round, a guy

who is instinctive, love the motor, love the hustle. In the fourth round with came rammergrown that the second fourth round pick, that linebacker, as long as the knee checks out, okay,

speed instincts, he can outplay that draft spot. In the fifth I went to mary on Terry at a Florida State who can fly and he's long, and he just he needs development time, He needs some more coaching and if he is able to be coachable and get coached up, he's going to be a steal at that point, John Bay, you have to go with the boys and state player at some point right for the team. So go John Bates and tight end. In the sixth William Sherman, the

guards center, played left tackle Colorado. But I think prig Ject's best is a guard center. And then uh Nuegu the running back at Iowa State, who I think could maybe be a little more on offense than he did in college, but it's gonna help you on special teams as well. Any thoughts, Brian, Yeah, I tell you what. I liked what he did. I was kind of intrigued by the and I know it's late in the draft.

I was intrigued by the Colorado tackle. Yeah, And I like what you're talking about him playing potentially playing some guard as well. I think the Cowboys think the Cowboys are always in these The Cowboys are always in that mode where they're gonna take some type of developmental lineman. But this kid, you watch him playing the running game, I mean, he was a powerful guy, and I think there's some some really good upside there. I mean, when you watched him come off the ball, he gets the guys,

he finishes guys. You can work on his pass block and stuff. But man, I kind of liked that. I had him a little bit higher than even where Dane took him. So good for him to have him on that board, Bucky, I mean, I liked it overall. Now I liked it overall, and I think Dane obviously paying attention to the Cowboys draft habits because certain teams, certain general managers have sweet spots that they go to when it comes to players. So you can talk about Boys

State being one, so being able to go there. And then really when we get down to that day three, the fourth through seventh rounds where we talked about the developmental prospects and trying to find one or two courtraits that are necessary not only for them to get on the field to eventually become regular contributors, but how can they impact special teams. That's where your speed and your physicality and all those teams kind of tend to wait.

So sorry we lost Bucky at the end there, first foot second, But yeah, I agree with the mock draft. I really like the Milton Williams pick in that third round. Dane I actually had him in my seven round mock as well, in that third round category as that defensive tackle that could maybe play inside outside be that time round Crawford replacement. I love that pick overall, and I know the Cowboys have had a little bit of interest there as well. I'll release my picks out on social media.

We're gonna put all four of these on the same sheet that the fans would fill out on the Draft Kings Draft Pick Challenge, and we'll put that out on social media for everybody to see. But guys, I hate that we're constrained to an hour. How about next week around? How about Thursday night? We could do this for like a long time. How does that sound just like hours at a time on the Draft show coverage? Because I could talk about this stuff all night long, and I

feel like we should do that. Maybe we should do it all next weekend. I think that sounds like fun, right, Dan, sign me up? It does sound like a lot of fun. Yeah, brought us you ready? Yeah? Yeah? Dane is looking forward to yeah Dane, And Dane is looking forward to me coming up with some really witty saying to start the draft, right, Dane, Like these are the times that trim in. That's right,

exactly teaser for Cowboys fans. I'm looking at flights right now to be done now, So let's make this happen. Let's go. All the sounds good, all the powers that be are coming together, everybody. It's Draft week almost here from the start in Frisco. And don't worry, Brian will have his witty saying to start off draft coverage to

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