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and around the world. We've got Bucky Brooks, We've got Brian brought us in the great Kevin kat Turner und Kyle Yeoman's with you for one final time here on the Draft Show. And Brian, we got to talk with you onto on Tuesday. We did all the sappy goodbyes and everything, and then we turn around and Jeff's not able to make it, Dane's not able to make it, and you're able to come again. I'm excited to get another hour with you, but let's start with Bucky Brooks,

because somebody's pretty happy the Cowboys got a linebacker. And he hasn't had a chance to talk about it just yet, as I see the smile down in that bottom right hand corner. Bucky, what were your overall thoughts of the NFL draft? Well, I think I think in the Cowboys case, I think the Cowboys got the best defending on the board. Whenever we get Michael Parsons. I know there's a lot of conversation about j. C. Horn and passer ten, and you know, we kind of mocked those guys there for

the longest time. But I think when you look at the value over the long call, Michael Parsons is going to be a more impactful player than the corners would have been, particularly in this defense. And when you hear Dan Quinn talk about three four looking defense that's a hybrid and pick kind of moving the pieces around the chessboard. Michael Parsons gives him the opportunity to do a bunch of different things. And so I'm excited about it, but I'm more excited about the fact that they doubled down

and got your brill Cox to come back. For so long we talked about the lack of speed and athleticism at the second level, particularly as it relates to Jayalen Smith being able to play these high end offenses. You need to have speed on the field. They are a much faster and explosive and more athletic defense, and I think when you put those elements on the field, that's when the turno was beginning to happen. Katsie, what do

you do you think about it? No, I couldn't agree more with Bucky and the fact that they were able to squeeze out another, you know, day two pick out of it. It makes it a little bit more sweeter. And the bottom line is I think the world's a little crazy when it comes to communication sometimes. And I know that being a fan also means being a fanatic, and the definition of that is a little sometimes too. Here's the bottom line, the bottom line, and we talked

about this for months. There were about thirteen really really good players worthy going in the top thirteen. And yes, that is a shot at Matt Jones, I'll say it. But there were thirteen guys who were worthy of going top thirteen, and they were going to get one of those guys unless they traded back to twenty with the Bears or something like that. So they got that guy just because one of us might have said I would have taken Slater over Parsons. It might have been me,

it might have been someone else. Just because you might do that doesn't matter. They were going to get And we talked about this with Bucky a few weeks ago about being stingy with your first round grades, making sure if there you put a first round grade on them. Now, we're not just allowing people to walk in and watch their tape and just because they do a few things right they get a first round grade. Being stingy, there was a cutoff line, and Michael Parson was definitely a

clear first round grade. And when you're picking up there, you get a good player. There will be multiple times this year where we are talking about a Cowboy game when it's over and we go, man, I don't know what that game would have been like if we didn't have Michael Parsons. He will be your best defensive player multiple times this season. And I think that's what kind of gets lost in the sauce when you're doing the draft and talking about the could have, should haves and

things like that. I admit I would have taken Slater over Parsons, and then you know just looking at the depth of other positions kind of attacked the draft from there. But I'm happy with what they got with their first two picks. I really am Ryan, you know, after listening to dan Quinn talk post drafted, and I'm going to admit that I had some violence in my voice during the during the draft about some of the way that these picks came off, and you know, I was like, Okay,

I don't see this fit. I don't see this fit, and I was kind of wondering what direction are they going in here? And but to me, once you listen to dan Quinn talk about where he wanted to go and where he envisioned these players and where he envisions his defense being, it does make a lot of sense.

I'll see another encouraging thing just to humble Bragg. Yesterday we got to talk to Will McClay on our station on one oh five three, and the thing that Will was talking about, He's like, listen, dan Quinn and I went on the road together. And that made me feel good in a way of it. Okay, it's just not dan Quinn going out there and hitting all these schools and I'm gonna do this. So I'm gonna run rough

shot over the scouting staff. Now, him and Will McClay were went out there, and to Will's credit, he learned what dan quinn was looking for in these players, and I think that was to me. Now I have a better understanding of why they took the players they did. And you know the thing with the Parsons pick, I'm with kat I love Slater. I thought that would have

been an outstanding pick there. But again, listening to where they were or where they were trying to get to makes a whole lot of sense by the way they draft that they had. Brian, I'm glad you brought that up. Go for it, Bucky. Now I think I may be going where you're going provac Cow, because I think one thing that is underlooked in the process is fit in scheme when we're evaluating prospects, being able to understand clearly how this prospect fits and the desired scheme of the coordinator.

And the fact that Will McClay and Dan quinn were on the road together having those conversations not only at workouts, but you would like to think away from workouts, where they're really trying to get into each other's head to

know exactly what you want. I think you now have a better opportunity of acquiring players that fit the vision of what Dan Quinn once And I think the Michael Parsons pick is interesting because there are a few different things, Like people have made the point when I talk to people in Seattle, like, hey, if you go back and look at Bobby Wagner Utah State, Bobby Wagner played sam linebacker before they moved him to mic linebacker with the

Seattle Seahawks. And I do wonder for Michael Parsons. You have Jaylen Smith and Lvee there, so maybe Michael Parsons doesn't play inside. Maybe he plays outside on the edges the first year or so, and they try and maximize his value as a rusher and a blitzer in a unique fashion before maybe he kicks inside down the line. I just think there's a lot of versatility that he brings and maybe that was kind of the driving force behind the pick. And Brian, that was one of the

things in your conversation with Willa McClay. By the way, a fantastic interview with you guys on the fan the other day, but just in the past here in Dallas, I mean The disconnect between the coaches and the scouts have been what scares everyone around the draft process. I mean, that's been the biggest thing for me, is looking at it and saying, if there's a disconnect between the scouts and the coaches, you're not necessarily going to ever have

the right fit. And the fact that you did hear Will McClay talk about how Dan quinn is traveling hitting the road with Will McClay and these scouts and these

coaches are in secession with each other. That makes me feel a lot better about this because if this pick was made three years ago or four years ago with either Michael Parsons or even the Nashan Wright pick that was at ninety nine, I wouldn't feel as good about it because I feel like this staff and I feel like this structure with this front office is a lot more in sync than it has been in previous years. And I could be wrong, but that's what it seems

like from the outside. Brian, yeah, what the situation is, and Bucky has experienced this firsthand, and I would give anything in the world for Kat to be a part of a team and get to feel the feelings that we've had during draft processes like Bucky and I have had. I had a scout tell me that there's been times where when the scouts get their way, that's not always

a good thing. And he said it in a way of like, listen, you could bring players in and if these coaches don't want to coach them or they don't like them, they're not going to play them. They're not going to coach them, they're not going to do anything to help the player develop. And he goes, Now, where you're at, you're scouts, You're happy, Yeah, we got our guys, but then all of a sudden, you got a coaching staff. You're like, man, they're putting us with players that can't play.

So yeah, I think that there's sometimes where you need to have that coach influence. You need the coaches to have us say do you want them to have all to say no. But you talked about marriage between the two, and I think it was very very important because again talking to scouts there, dan Quinn came in with a clear idea what he wanted to do and he was

able to convey that message to the scouts. And that's how you have an understanding, and that's how you you come to an agreement of what type of player you really need, and it's no change we've seen, you know, coaches get there, uh, you know, fair share of picks over the years, and it's worked out sometimes and sometimes it hasn't, and scouts have missed that happens. It kind of reminds me like the Dynamic and Saturday Dot Live.

Like if a host comes in and he's kind of just a jerk to everyone and he's too good for everyone. The writers are like, yeah, I don't want to write for this guy, and the cast is like, I don't want to write for this guy. It's kind of that type of thing maybe, But you know when I when I look at what they did as a whole, I can't help but feel like there's pretty even trade off, especially in a year where things are a little bit differently,

Like there wasn't really a point in the draft. Well, there was maybe one point in the draft where I went, Okay, that's a clear, that's a clear. Maybe maybe a Dan Quinn pick clearly, and maybe maybe more A lot of them were, like there were years where we would go that as a Rod Marinelli pick, he got the pick, and you kind of know that because he's sitting in the Jones's lap while they're about to call the player, like he's in the room ready to go, and you

can like see it happening. Um, you know, if you want to do something and make a big change, though, and I don't think it's like a huge change. I mean, last year's defense was embarrassing and they would be the first to tell you that. But what they're doing, they're not reinventing the will with with this scheme. And I think they had a plan and I think they executed their plan throughout the three days of the draft. And that's what I kind of look at more than anything,

is like, what did we get done? We got done what we wanted to get done, And it doesn't matter what you know, Dave Brugler thinks of it, and it doesn't matter what Dave Hellman thinks about it, Like that doesn't matter. We executed our plan. And as long as you're doing that and like sticking to your board, I tend to not have a problem with one of the team does because you truly don't know how it works

out until you know twenty twenty five. You know, one of the things you know, when I think of Bucky No one of the things when you talk about like our guys, because there was a lot of um outrage or criticism about like the day two picks now shone right in particular, and there's a lot of conversation about, hey, everything is about length and those things why it's online

so important to the defense. I think it's important to let everyone know when you're a dan Quinn defense and you're a defense that plays zone, the reason why you want length is because long players make it tighter windows and so they're playing and reading the eyes of the quarterback. Like when you have these long athletes, the windows become smaller because they're playing vision on the quarterback. They're they're they're reacting, and it's intimidating to a quarterback to see

all of that length on the field. It's almost like a team of six seven guys playing gay two three zone, Like it's just so long. The zone expands and it really makes it pushes you way out beyond the three point line. And so I think that is really important to let everyone know the reason why lengths are important, because this is really a zone defense and you want to make the windows tighter. Yeah, I think Bucky. Bucky's

dead on. I mean, I had a scout explain that to me, and they clearly they had a third round grade on right. You know, they were that they were comfortable taking him at that spot. I know that's you know, to me, if you're going to talk about length and big guys and long guys, Melafanu was on the board and that's the guy I mean. But again, they don't care what we think, it's what they think. And but

but Bucky totally nailed it right there. I had to Scott to explained, Listen, when a quarterback goes back there and he doesn't see window and all he sees is color and jersey and things, you know, clouding his vision, that's tough on him and maybe he has to go somewhere else. So once you explain things like that, when you're affecting the windows of quarterbacks, it makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. And real, real quick.

I just want to say this because I think having like a hardcore opinion on Nashan right, but that watching him is like a terrible thing to do, and I think a lot of it is it is it is, And then you go watch him and you go. My issues with the Sean right where I just didn't think he turned very well, and a lot of those tall corners, it's very tough for them to do that. I didn't think he turned very well. His play demeanor was awesome. He's awesome. He wants to get his hands on you.

He wants to rugh you up a little bit. My problem with all of that. And they had him grated a little higher than I did. I had more kind of round five time, you know, day three taps, I had him, I had him in the fifth, him and the the fifth and myself when I went back and evaluated him, I couldn't put him over melafon Wu and Thomas from Michigan. You can say what you want about molding at Washington. He was not going to be in the mix unless

it was gonna go safety. But I just couldn't. I tried to elevate him over those guys that were taken after him, and me personally, I couldn't do it. Well. Sort of becomes real quick, Bucky, My problem comes from McCarthy. Then maybe it doesn't matter what Mike McCarthy says. Maybe

it doesn't. But a week ago, talking about how they wanted to get aggressive and they want to play a lot of man defense, and I I'm like, okay, well you're doing the complete ops like the Sean Wright can play man and I guess a little bit, but like he is a better as you just said, Bucky better fit for his zone to keep playing a ton of his own and you got the head coach a week ago ago, we want to play more man than zone. And I just start having all these things like how

congruland is everything? What's the symmetry with everything? And that was a problem last year, as is everyone on the same page here? And I just I can't help but ask those questions. I'll tell you what kt real quick. I thought he was a better man than he was zone. I'm opposite of what that was just watching him play, because I felt like the more he got up on people, the better chance he had to stay with them. It's like you talked about. I saw what you were saying about.

When he's off, the movement wasn't what it needed to be because he would have to collision receivers down the field with on the release just to get himself in position, or a couple of times some games where he was flagged for that, so I thought, walk him up, let him jam, let him hold. For one hundred and eighty seven pound guy, he was pretty strong along the line of scrimmage to kind of hold those guys up. I think a couple of things, like I think both you

guys are right. For one, I would say this, there are a lot of coaches in our league, even offensive coaches, that don't fully understand like coverage and coverage principles. And sometimes he comes out when they talk like even the best, like they don't get it. When you look at this defense, this defense is just like when christ Shard came in or whatever. They will talk about cover three, but this is really like the two guys on the outside or

in man coverage. The nine guys on the inside are playing zone and based on patterns and concepts or whatever, it will change. But the interior guys, like the safety and the three linebackers, they're spy dropping too designated areas on the field. Their eyes are on the quarterback and they are seaball get ball defenders. The corner on the outside when they're one on one, they're locked up. When it's two receivers to the side, they're gonna build and play zone and so you will rarely see them play

off in backhuttle. I think the best way to think about right and these other guys, even Traymon, dis imagine in your head like they may not play to this level. Brandon Browner and Richard Sherman long guys that are playing

off in those things. And for right, Brandon Browner is the more apt comparison because what Brandon Browner is going to do on the edge is he's going to hug and mug and grab and clutch, and they're going to establish that style of play and they're going to say officials will not call this all game, and we're going to wear them down by clutching and grabbing and disrupting the rhythm. And it's very frustrating, but that's how they're

going to play. And if dan Quinn is true to how they taught it, that is how it was taught in Pete Carroll's defense, and so I think we're going to see that and we have to be ready for some of those growing pains early until they settle in. Yeah, that's what they liked Horn, That's what they like JC Horne to play that style. Yeah, because he's probably a better He's a I would say, a better fit in terms of a man. We're gonna go nose to nose.

This is going to be a backyard brawl out here for seventy snaps, and yeah, there're gonna be some flags and all that, but we're going to establish our play. The other thing you talked about rights playing demeanor. I think one commonality between all of these guys Parsons, Cox right, Ghost and all of these jos have an edge to him.

That is Joseph that is a little different. And I always talk about it, and hopefully this isn't get misconstrued, but like, if you want a great defense, you got to have a team full of goons, but you gotta have the right zookeeper that is the decordinator, meaning he can't be afraid of those personalities and those guys that are on the edge. Because the greatest defenses, I'm sure Brian can attest to it, you gotta have a couple of guys that have a couple of screws loose that

you gotta rain them back. Yeah, it is harder. It is easier to rain them back in the poker into me be like, hey, let's go play hard. And so I like the personality now is does dan Quinn have the personality to control all those guys to get to him, to not play silly football, but to play at the line but not go over the line. Yeah, there's times, Bucky, You're right, I've seen, like from series to series, I've seen players want to fight the defensive coordinator and the

next series give him a hug. I mean, that's that's how crazy it gets down there sometimes, Katie, do you think dan Quinn is the right guy for that job? Because everything that Bucky's saying right now, everything Brian saying right now, it gets me excited thinking about the way that these prospects are going to fit into the defense. But ultimately, like Bucky just said, you need that leader, you need that that voice on the sideline that can

rain in those personalities. Do you think Quinn can do that? I mean, I think so, And I would imagine that he's got, you know, a ton of respect and I think these players probably know his act aids and things like that. You know. The thing I would say is like, you know, it's surely gonna come down to how the players play and do they buy into any changes. It was very frustrating to be the players are making comments in the first month last year, not they're buying into

the to this game. But also it's probably very frustrated to those players that maybe they weren't being coached in a way that was you know, they might have been a little offensive to them how they were being coached. There have been maybe like we've got some uh, you know, some guys up here who don't know what they're doing really, so you know, it's hard to know because you haven't been around. I mean, that was the first time we'd

heard from Dan Quinn for something. We can get to talk to it, and that's kind that's kind of why it was a little different. So I kind of going off that. And one thing I will say is like it is good to have a plan because last year it was very okay, here's McCarthy, here's Mike Nolan. Bit of a change, we're gonna be multiple. But they were never specific and how they talked and they were never specific and really how they acted about personnel and things

like that. They're very specific about what they want now. They want length you know, they're looking for bigger guys. They're not not scared to, uh, you know, bringing some guys who you know, I hate saying questions. Michael Parsons and Kelvin Joseph could play turn on the tape. They could play to figure out I have more of an issue with the guy you take in the fifth round, the offensive tackle, like maybe let's draft another guy like it.

Don't talk to me about second chances with that guy, like that guy's on chance thirteen Like I'm good, Just pick another guy, like I have more of an issue with that pick than any of these other guys and coming up with stuff about you know who they are. Let's let them go play and see what happens before before it changes. The most important coach on the defensive staff is Joe Witt Junior. Joe Junior has to do

two things for this defense to click. He has to get the young guys on the same page when it comes to communication and technique. And then the second thing is he has to fix the things that dan Quinn may not know when it comes to coverage adjustments. The secondary coach with dan Quinn is the most important part

because dan Quinn is coming as a defensive coordinator. In general, the hardest thing to do is to go from being a D line coach to being a coordinator, because you're so close to being in the trenches that you may not have that full field perspective to fix it. And so the secondary coach becomes critically important. To a guy like that, It's no different than Rod mary Nelly having to have like Chris Richard, to anybody else that comes

from being right at the line of scrimmage. It is hard for those guys to understand the full field view of how the defense should come together. Yeah, but let's think about this. Let's think about what this defense has gone through though the last several years. How many different coordinators they've had, Rod Marnelli, Chris Richard, Mike Nolan. Now they have a new guy. If you're sitting there in that defensive room, you're going, when are they going to

get this right? When is somebody going to come in here? You know? And yeah, let's let's be honest. Jane Slater's report on the NFL Network was talking about the players and not getting it and not understanding and you know, I've said this all along. Pandemic plan as far as handling the health of the team a plus, teaching the team during pandemic Plan f so f SO. To me, that's the problem. As your player, You're like, well, what what other guy they're gonna bring in here? What other

guy were? What other thing we're you know, Oh Jim Tom Sulu, Oh he's gone. Now, oh, this guy's gone. You know, if you're defensive player, you're like, what are you buying into? You're You're like, heck, they're throwing, they're grabbing at straws and they're trying to you know, you're thinking, how am I going to play? Every time? But to me,

this one does feel right. This is the one that does feel right, and hopefully for Dallas Cowboys and the Dallas Cowboys fans it is because Kat said earlier, historically this was an awful defense, and I think alive it had to do with the way they got the team ready to play. Yes, yes, yes, yes, well said all of that matters. And I was in the pandemic like and Mike Nolan as a friend, but I would say

he excused to the level of complexity. And I think the first thing that a teacher has to know is yes, to know the students, And I would say that the defense that they were attempting to put in went over the heads of the students that were in the chairs. So sometimes it's better to be a team that plays like little toy soldiers on the field, where everyone knows where to line up so they can just play fast and just go to the ball. And so I think

we'll see more of that less disguise. Hey, let's just line up and make sure we knew exactly what to do, then just go play hard and knock the ball out. Well said from all three guys throughout the segment. I mean, explaining this defense is probably not going to be easy to the common person, but Tan Quinn's gonna have to try and do that to a lot of these professional athletes on that side of the football. Hopefully he is

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mean back and forth. Forty seven draft shows. Pretty crazy to think about, but forty seven draft shows. We've also had it close to about forty twitters on the twenty time for the final, Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty ardis Chris Beam in the back doing fantastic work. All right, Bucky, get your dukes up ready to fight. Here for a little bit, real quick, go for it,

Brian coll It real quick, yeah, real quick. It's kind of Bucky's kind of like we played like the Brooklyn Nets, you know, like all of the really the team's kind of been together, but Bucky's been like Kevin Durant, you know, been in, in in, out of the lineup, and you really can't give him credit for all forty sevens. He's Kevin Durant. He's a big time player for the road management the rest of its doing our job. Bucky's come in and out we find out, you know, yeah, yeah fresh for

the final? You want me fresh for the final? Brought us as Dirk. He's the one that's been ready and available no matter what. Katie's I just I just I just throw off, I just throw off the sweat and we go play Bucky's like Kevin Durant. We have him some days, I have him. Hide this now. I made this a lot of a lot of work, a lot of pet work, a lot of a lot of extra

work to get me. Oh man, I love it. All Right, Bucky, we're gonna we're gonna throw this one right at you, mister Snappy Comeback followed up one of my tweets, and he said at Bucky Brooks, tagging you specifically, he said, three months ago, you absolutely trashed Parsons, basically said I don't want to complete that sentence, but now you're very happy about the pick. I want you to clear the air on this because I don't think you never just

smashed Parsons as a player. It was more of just you had more concerns for him specifically than you did maybe some of the other players that could have been available. Yeah, so I think it's important for what what's his what's his handle, Nappy comeback? It's his name. Yeah. See, that's that's where that's where we need to start. By the way, feel free if you want to rip, if you want to if you want to rip my ass about something, give me your name. That way, you and I can

have a real conversation. You know, if you want to be that guy or gal and you want to come at me, spell my name right and number two give me your name so I can have a good dialogue with you. Mister snappy, come back. Oh look so mister snappy, comeback, so guy or whatever. Whatever. I think it's important to be able to separate the person from the player. I never tries to player. I've always loved the player. I think the players was the best defender and in the draft.

Like his ability to get from A to B in a hurry to create disruption as a blitzer. His unique skill set in terms of his combination of athletics and speed is close to power. All that I loved, rated all the charts, off the charts, blue chip player. My issue, my main concern had to deal with the character of the football character, meaning are you going to get someone that's mature enough to handle the responsibilities of being the

leader of America's team. There is a big stage that comes with being the guy that is not only the topic, but the guy that's expected to be the leader of this defense with all eyes on it and playing in this city with all of the glitz, and glam. It takes a level of maturity that you have to have. When I crushed Mica, I worried about the ego and the maturity in terms of being able to handle the responsibilities. The other stuff that has come out about the character,

that stuff is that stuff. So my concern was Kenny handled the responsibilities of being on a big stage with all of the responsibilities and the eyeballs on him that still remains to be seen. On the field, There's no doubt that he could be one of the best players to put the Star on, but we have to see Kenny handled those responsibilities. And when you look at this defense that has had some issues when it comes to players playing hard and doing all the other stuff or whatever.

You just got to make sure that you're bringing the right guy into the locker room and he falls in line with the culture that you're trying to establish. We'll see love the player, Let's see if the players football character is up to the standard. And I think one thing when we're talking about all of these players, you're trying to find out as much information as you can

and things like that. So if something comes up, you know with Michael Parsons that came up inevitably, and like it would have came up with Josh Ball if we knew the Cowboys were gonna draft Josh Ball. We just didn't talk about Josh Ball a lot on the draft show. You know, way different. Let's separate those things, right, you know. And I think like there's there's questions about Kelvin Joseph two that could be that could be discussed, and it's more about, like you know, the scouts have to ask

these questions. How much as they love football, I'm much they want to be there. Asked the question about Jaylen Phillips. Everyone thinks Jaylen Phillips is a really good kid. You're asking that question about his concussions. They're asking questions about his music passion. They're still from asking those questions, There's no doubt about it. They maybe asking the same thing about Kelvin Joseph. Why didn't work out at LSU? What happened? Like there's some things you just have to talk about.

We're talking about picking players. I think it's important, like we talk about these players, they also have their whole lives in front of them too, And it's like if something happened, you know, you kind of have to look at it, and I don't like, you know, power ranking like things that might have happened, or sometimes there are alleged things that happen. A lot of times we don't

know the full details on them. I guarantee of the team knows more about it than we do a lot of the times, you know, Like, I think it's very important, like to use a bunch of context when we're having these conversations rather than rush out to something like Bucky killed a guy like or not. I don't think Bucky killed Bucky brought up a concerned teams might have about a player, the same way teams might have concerns about

Rashawn Slater's arm length. I mean, it's all it's all about putting the puzzle together and trying to get a better look at the guy you're gonna draft. I think that was like nuances gone in this day and age, mans, nuances gone in this day and age. It's a lot of like yes, no, right, wrong right left no no no, no, no, no no no, let's all kind of be ir rational with how we deal with stuff. I love it, and I think David Hellman was the one that said it

previously on one of the shows. But just because you like another player doesn't mean you hate another player. I mean, you can like multiple players, and I think we're seeing that a lot with this draft, because, I mean, truth be told, a lot of the guys that were picked were not necessarily on our radar, at least until we went into draft weekend. We started hearing some murmurs, but it was really a draft that kind of caught us by surprise in some aspects. Doesn't mean we hate the

players that were taken. We might be a little disappointed in that regard, but at the same time, it doesn't mean that they're bad players and that it was a bad draft overall. Okay, Stephen Thomas says, how do you compare the Cowboys draft with the other drafts in the NFC East? Also, how would it help that the Cowboys get into the playoffs passed the divisional round if these players pan out and maybe if they are better than

the rest of the NFC East. Brian, do you have any thoughts on how the division stuck out in terms of the draft? Stephen, I thank you for your question. I really do great question and I appreciate you using your name to me. I think the Philadelphia Eagles had the best draft as far as how and I have only evaluated one hundred and ninety players. Those are the guys I looked at. I ranked him from one to

one ninety how I would take him. And when I look overall at what the Philadelphia Eagles did, I was super impressed by the Hall that they were able to have. You know, we talk about the Cowboys trading back with him, giving him Smith. Stephen Jones said it. You know they were either the Giants were going to get Devanta Smith or the Philadelphia Eagles were. You know, earlier we'd heard, Hey, Philadelphia was trying to go get Waddle. They'll say no, we were trying to get some but no, I'd heard

from reliable sources they were going for Waddle. They couldn't get him. They settled on Smith. Landon Dickinson is a really good player. We'll see how the medical stuff turns out. I really did like Milton Williams a lot. I don't know, I remember, Kate, I don't know if you were on board with Milton Williams from Louisiana Tech. I know I was. Is that guy as an active tackle Zach McPherson from

Texas Tech. He was transferred from Penn State. I really liked the player, Yeah, Kenneth Gainwell, the I mean the running back from Memphis. These Memphis running backs, you put them in the league, what do they do? They run hard and they catch the ball. They're kind of those complete backs. So to get a guy like that at one fifty I thought was just super value right there. You know, even go down Marlin Tulpa, you know the the I really liked him. The USC defensive tackle there.

I mean again, that's a guy at one eighty nine that you're looking at and you're saying, whoa, how does that happen? Well, they got it right there at that spot. Jacobe Stevens not so much. I've known it from LSU. But then Patrick Johnson, you know, it's another guy they get, I mean the two lane defensive and he could be a linebacker, he could be a rush in at two thirty four. Man, it's great value. So just on my board, the way they hit those picks, I was like, Okay,

I get it, I get it. I get it. And you know, I thought they had a pretty good plan for how they handled that. I thought the Eagles had the best draft in the whole in the whole league. Honestly, I thought they nailed it. One thing I'll say real quick about Washington because they're the division champs. Kind of

up and down draft for them from for now. I think if that Benjamin Saint Juice pick yeah three works out for them, Yeah, if he turns out to be a player, because all the traits are there, you're looking at a really good draft. Because I know Dammy Brown could play. Jommy Brown could play, he could play it. Yeah, I know jam and Davis could play it. But you know, I thought Washington, you know, as a whole, I liked that they did late to William, Bradley King and Shocka Tony,

a couple of guys defensive animal like man. I'll bank on one of those guys to work out as a rotational player. So I thought Washington's draft was okay. But I would draft did Eagles, Cowboys, Washington Giants would be the order that I would put to it. Yeah, I'll talk about the Giants. I think the Giants. Dave Getlman did something that he's never done. He traded back multiple times.

Kadarius Kadarius, Tony to me is them finally addressing the mistake that they made when they traded away Odell Beckham Junior. When they trade away Odell Beckham Junior, they lost a guy that could score from anywhere on the field. Kadarius Tony gives them a guy that has similar traits in terms of stops, our quickness and run after catchability, so they needed that. Aziz Ojlari gives them a pass rusher.

It'd be interesting how they utilize him because that's not their typical guy in terms of what they normally go after. This is an old school team that typically has these traits with long arms and all this other stuff. At least he's not necessarily that, and so he's not really a handing the dirt gout To have him listed outside linebacker,

we'll see Aaron Robinson is solid on the perimeter. And so you take their draft picks combined with what they've been able to acquire in free agency, the Jazz are an intriguing team. Now they feel like everything is on Daniel Jones. We'll see how good the quarterback is. I still don't know where he stacks up in the pecking order. But defensively, this was a really good defense last year. I think they'll continue to be a defense that kind

of challenges the rest of the rivals. I think, yeah, at Bucky Kat did a great job on those because I think that everybody had some momentum in a draft. And you know, if you look at what the Eagles, I think the Eagles did it throughout the draft where the football team was like the first four picks, the Giants, the first three picks. You know, the Cowboys had a little up and down to him. But I think as

a whole the division it got a little better. Some teams were very talent poor obviously you look at the record, but for the football team to add another defensive piece with jam and Davis there, and they didn't have a left tackle, We'll see what Cosmi could do at left tackle there, because that's a position they haven't they haven't exactly replaced, you know, some of the losses they've had. So but man, I mean that I think the football team add and jam at Davis is a is a big, big,

big play there. And I'll be quickly so we get to another question. But the one team in this division that has a winning quarterback is dak is the Cowboys and Dak Prescott. One thing that jumps out at me about this division is looking around is like the clearly the team with the quarterback is the Cowboys. There's no excuses for not making the playoffs next year. No. I love that KT very well said. Yeah, Bi, Bucky, win into division should be win into division should be the standard,

like they should be able to win the division. He had the best quarterback head and shoulders above the other guys. I would say that the Washington football team, and my mind got worse because with Ryan Fitzpatrick, more turnovers are gonna happen. Like, I know, we love his magic, he is going to turn the ball over. Jalen Hurts stepping up his second year, first full season as a starter, what does that look like? And then dandah, this has kind of been up and down to me. Quarterback play

typically signals who is going to win a division. Deck Rosscott is clearly the best quarterback. Now it's about making sure that the defense gets to the middle of the pack, because the offense should be a top five offense. Yeah, but the football teams used to having quarterbacks on their defense. He's used to having players with turnovers, so and they still go out there and play. I mean, that's the

one thing about Fitzpatrick. He could throw five interceptions one day and the next day he's going to throw six touchdowns. I mean that's the kind of thing that you kind of ride with. But at least he has a defense that can fail him out when they if they have some of those games where he's not really on part. I completely agree with you guys in your assessment of the NFC East drafts, and Brian, you talked about how so many of those Philadelphia picks where in your top

one ninety. I mean out of the seven picks or excuse me out of that, what is that one, two, three, four, five, nine picks? Seven of them were in my top one ninety and five were in my top one ten. So I'm right there with you. I think Philadelphia had a great draft. It's crazy to think because of there's a lot of disappointment I think around this draft from at

least media personnel and people that we've worked with. But like you guys said, in terms of executing what you wanted to do for the Cowboys, I would put them as the second best draft. I don't really like New York's Tony's a really good player. Eikenberg's a really good player. Outside of that, I wasn't super impressed with the Giants,

and then with Washington. Sure, they've got a lot of potential there with jam and Davis and Samuel Cosme and Benjamin Saint Juice, But ultimately there's only two or three of those guys that I think are really top level draft prospects that get me at least even more so excited about Washington. I don't get excited about Washington, but if I were too, that would be the only a

couple of players to do. So I'll tell you Washington, if you want to talk about a late pick at pick two forty six at will Bradley King from Baylor, that's kind of an interesting player there. If you talk about guys at high effort, high motor, get after you type of a guy. So you never know, man, some of these guys were not focusing on in the Day three. You know, it could the same thing for the Cowboys.

You know, Quentin behind and could be like a great nose tackle for the Cowboys this season, you know, as far as helping those linebackers and clocking some things up in the middle. So those day threes, we call it the day of the scouts. You know, maybe some scouts came through for some of these teams. I love it. Final question for Twitter on the twenty this season, and it comes from a loyal listener, Jake, who first off, I wanted to say thanks to all of you guys.

I'm talking to you. Three analysts tagged you guys in it as well. Said second tone, he's He said, it's a bittersweet day as the draft show going dark for a couple of months, but football is right around the corner, so he wanted to say thank you. But his question was how many of the eleven draft picks would you guess make the fifty three man roster? You think you have a number on maybe how many of those guys

the Cowboys could be employee come this fall. Okay, so you're gonna go one and Parsons two, and Joe said you're gonna go three. Um, jibbro Cox See how I sheffle it and made Jim bro Cox pick seventy five instead? Oh did you? Zoo? Wa is in especially seeing that they cut Antoine Woods. Obviously, Chauncey Golston is in as a rotational defensive lineman. So there's five the Sean Wright. You know, they keep in mind that practice squad numbers

are gonna be up, and he might be it. He might be a stash guy, and maybe they don't view him that way just because I do. Uh Semi Fihoko he could help him on special teams. But they still have Cedrick Wilson. He could be a stash guy on the on the on the practice squad, Josh Ball. You know, they signed a swing tackle. I don't think he'd really need I think he could be a stash guy as well. So five, I think bo Hannah makes the roster. So

there's six. I think they find a way to get Mukuamu on the field because of his versatility, the ability to play multiple positions. So it's a big number, but I'm gonna say seven out of the out of the eleven, right, I'll tell you the thing about Yeah, Fahuko is the one that I'm interested because that might be the replacement for you know, Stephen Jones has kind of got this us all kind of thinking about the salary cap and stuff like that. Cedric Wilson's a two million dollar player,

what's Noah Brown gonna be on this team. You know. The thing with Simmi, he could play special teams. That's a big box. That's a six four two twenty two pound guy that runs four four three, you know, and I really love the pick. At the time. I talked to a team yesterday about him. They were pissed off that the Cowboys jumped there up there and got him. They were like positioning themselves to grab him. But I think Kat's onto something. And here we'll see what happens

with Riot. I think what's gonna be really sad is there's gonna be so much fus on him and this when we get to Oxnard, it's gonna be like every time that he has a one on one rep and it doesn't go well, and it's gonna be guys like me standing on the sidelines going, well, you know what they told us these little in corners, and they told us about windows, and they told us about all this stuff.

You know, he's probably going to be the most scrutinized player out there, and everyone'll say, whoa, WHOA brought us? What about Parsons? What about you know what they're gonna do with Parsons. They're gonna play to his strings. They're gonna let him rush the passer. That's what they're gonna do. They're gonna let him come down hill. They're gonna let him rush the passer. They'll play to his strings. They'll play to Cox's strings as well. That's what they'll do.

They'll find a way to put him in coverage. They won't put him around the ball where he has to make a bunch of tackles. You know, that's just kind of I can kind of vision. I have a little vision, you know what I'm going to see. But the thing with right, that's the one that I think the critical eye is always going to be focused on him every

single practice. And I hope the kid is mentally tough enough to handle it, because there's gonna be a lot of stories written about him as we go through these training camp and these OTA practices as we get started here pretty soon. Yeah, I think it's a good observation. Brian knows a little bit better than me when it comes to teams. Some teams will not cut their draft picks, and so I don't know if the Cowboys are one that kind of hoard their draft picks to give them

every opportunity to make the team. But with the expanded rosters on practice squad, I would think that I think eight of the eleven are going to be around and some capacity. I do believe when you listen to Stephen Jones hint around the fact that we would like most of our draft picks to make the team. From an economical standpoint, it makes sense. You pointed out the receivers

that are commanding. It doesn't appear to be big money in the biggest scheme of thing, but for backups two million dollars from Cedril Wilson, that's a lot of money. If you can slide in another cheaper option, a rookie receiver on a rookie contract, you want to do that. Some of the dbs that are kind of hanging around, French players that haven't necessarily popped, that are veterans, man,

you've replaced those guys out with the young players. I think in some capacity, eight of these guys are going to be around. And I'm more optimistic about Nushine right being around and on the roster because when you take him into third round, man, it's hard to move on from third rounds to unless he just absolutely flops well, I know, but let's let's be honest here too. And I just wrote down in my notes. You know what's going to happen, Bucky. You know this better than anybody.

Some of these players need sponsors. And if your sponsors no longer in the building, to kind of to kind of take care of things. Think about Tristan Hill, think about think about Neville Gallimore, think about Bradley a Nie. Where does Bradley and I fit a three fourth front? Can you make him a stand up outside linebacker? What about Robinson the corner safety? There might be some kids that they've taken in the last two years that never play a down for the Dallas Cowboys that we that

like meaningful downs. And we're talking about guys that were taking you know, third, fourth, fifth round. So if you don't you know, when you start talking about a roster, and how do you get eleven players on. Take a few veterans off, and if some of these young kids that we really didn't draft aren't what we think, watch for those kids to move to Man, if you don't have a stomach, you could catch trouble on this roster.

I think it's telling Antoine Woods already removed like, so if they can get him, because I thought he played pretty well at times last year when he had a chance to get on the field and do some stuff or whatever. So if they can move off from him, You're already talking about Tristan Hill, He's talking about Riggie Robinson in Jeoffardy. I mean, you're talking about some of

these other guys. Like it could be a full reshuffling of the deck on defense because as dan Quinn comes in and as he feels empowered to do so, this defense is going to be his defense, full of guys that he deems to be his kind of guys. It's unfortunate, but that is what's going to happen. I expect them to be able to move off of some of these prospects,

these draft picks in the last few years. I don't think it could have been put any better from you guys, specifically, because I think there is a notice on that side of the football that says nobody's job is safe right now, and the draft showed that with eight different draft picks that are on the defensive side, you're saying that, hey,

nobody's job is safe. Stephen Jones has said it specifically and press conference, is wanting to replace some of these players, some of these guys that aren't necessarily cheaper on that side of the football. You're gonna see a lot of that. And even with that, there's gonna be growth from this draft pack, with this draft class as well. No Sean Wright specifically, Katie, I know you said that he could be a stash guy. I don't know if I see

him being a stash guy. I could see him being a red shirt almost being one of those guys they grow into the position, give them an adjustment period to the NFL, almost like what we saw from Reggie Robinson last year, but without the position switch. And I think that might be something we see from Nashan, right. I think as a top one hundred pick, you're expected to play. I think you're expected to make the roster, but at the same time, there's going to be an adjustment process,

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Yeomen's four the final time this season here in episode forty seven. We asked this question on Tuesday, So Brian, you may not want to answer it again, but Bucky will start with you. What was your favorite pick and what are you going to remember about the twenty one draft whenever you look back at the season. That was man first thing looking back on the draft and the season, it was I think this was the most volative draft that we've ever been associated with. I think the lack

of think tank. I think Will McClay even talked about like guys not being around. It's probably it's probably the purest draft that we've seen in sometimes because guys really had the trust to take and when you trust to tape, typically you make better decisions than not. And so I'll remember that in terms of my favorite pick, Like look to me, I think the Parsons pick is my favorite

because this was literally taking the best player available. And I know there was a lot of conversation about need and those things and what do you need should you get the corner and that, but I think taking the best defender is going to pay off because coming back in the second round and being able to get Joseph, he's a big time player and I think if he can kind of clean up the disciplinary issues on the field, he has a chance to be a really solid player.

And I think they'll go two for two with those picks. Yeah, my favorite pick was probably Jabril Cox at one fifteen. I just thought that was extremely good value on Day three and I know that maybe you know kind of obvious, I will say I was covering the whole draft. My favorite picking the entire draft was pick eighty five the

Packers getting Amari Rodgers. Why would your quarterback ever bitch about anything like you have Davante Adams and you have, uh, you know, have like the Buck tr They're spending money around you and they've given you a lot of money, Like why would you you went to two straight championship. I don't understand, Like, I just can we have Can we have some competitive spirit in this world? Can we say? You know what, I don't care that they took a kid. I'm gonna beat him out. He'll never play here and

I'm gonna be here a long time. Have some competitive spirit. I mean, this is to me, this is Kevin Durant going It's never gonna work out in Oklahoma City, so I'll go join the best team in NBA history. But the Warriors have some effing competitive spirit in your life?

You know. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying that and the draft to me, though, what it really comes down to, it's amazing to me that a team like the Eagles are like, you know, I don't I guess we are gonna do the Jalen Hurts thing, like we're gonna actually try this, like they have a chance to just take justin fields like they could have done that.

To me, though, it's just fun to do that, and it's fun to interact with all the people, the people on Twitter most of the time or nice, the people that send in questions, the Stephen Thomases and the Jakes, and hell, I'll say it, even the mister snappy comebacks of the world whatever. They send in questions because that's it's CRUs Yeah, they listen and they watch each week and and and they they ask us questions, and you know,

they show us a million mock drafts. Bike. I love that the intensity, the intensity around the draft never gets old, and the action and I'm just thrilled to be a part of it because the Draft Show, to me, is a is an institution. Um, It's absolutely that is a It's a in this time of year, people know, Hey, the Draft Show's going to be here right with the season's over. Sometimes that the team is bad even before

the season's over, And that's an awesome thing. It's fun to look forward to crap every single year, you know, it's fun to look forward to stuff all the time. I look forward to the NC Double A Tournament. God knows, we're looking forward to September and basketball happening. So to me, it's all about the action. Boston, Huh. I just am

happy and thrilled to be a part of it. If you would have asked me when I was you know, you know, whatever age you wanted to get to work with Bucky Brooks, I need to work with with a Brian broad Us. I'm older than Kyle, so I can't say you guys, but like, like it's it's incredible and I'm I'm just it's happy. I'm I'm happy and it's a lot of fun. And I love you guys. Appreciate, appreciate you know what's so funny? Yet you know it's

so funny about what Kat just did. Like I was standing on the practice field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and maybe Bucky was standing on a practice field in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Kat's on the fits outside, like looking through the fits, like watching his team, and he just went on an epic Packer rant there. And I appreciate that, Kat, I really really do that. You appreciate you feel so strongly about the Packers as your team that you know you're

gonna you're gonna call your quarterback back out. I appreciate that about you. He clown, he has been a clown, Like I mean, brought us. I know I'm talking about it. He's validating all of the rules with I'm here, I'm here, I'm hearing, I'm hearing it. I'm hearing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what though, And to can I just

real quick, I'll let go. If you didn't get a chance on Tuesday, I said goodbyes on this stuff too, And you know, and I always I go all the way back to like the Ed k Hill days, and you know, and and when we were talking about that, he's kind of like Ed. I remember Ed going, do you think anybody cares about the NFL Draft? And I kind of look at him like, I don't know, man, I mean, you know, you look at mel Kuyper. It

seems pretty popular. You know. Maybe he goes, I'm thinking about doing this podcast, just giving us another show, give us something else to talk about. And and I didn't initially see his vision. I really didn't. I'm like, man, well, you know, we have to do this, and we're gonna have to do that in order to make it work. But what's so funny is the more you got into it, the more you wanted to make it work, you know,

and then you started adding people again. Dame Brugler, the Bucky Brooks, you know, Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh, Dave Hellman. I mean, it just became this this thing, and then all of a sudden, you got fans, and you know, initially it was thinking about Dallas Cowboy fans. Let's talk to the Cowboy fans. But then it became like a worldwide thing for fans of all teams. And you know, that's the thing that I'm really the most proud about. When I look at the Draft show and the work

that we've done. I just look at the fans of the Lions, the Buccaneers, the forty nine Ers, the Giants, people like that that watch our show because they trust what we're saying about these players and they feel better connected to their own team that way. So, you know, I I say this in real and sinceria. I thank you guys out there for being a part of this. I thank my teammates for being a part of this. I thank the Jones family for having a lot of

faith in us. I thank Derek Eagleton for keep pushing the envelope on this thing, because this is really, like Katie's talking about, It's become a little bit of institution that every year you know, you're gonna get draft coverage, and just like Katie gave his speech about the Packers, you're gonna get some passionate speeches on this about players,

and I think that better educates folks. And that's what I'm so happy about the Draft Show and that we're able to bring it, you know, every week, you know, up till the draft, and then our draft coverage as well. It really is a ton of fun, and the fans at home make it fun. And I completely echo exactly what you just said, Brian, because looking down and seeing the tweets and seeing the comments, and everybody's saying I've watched since twenty thirteen, You oh, I've been. I haven't

missed the episode since twenty eighteen. All of those out there that just stick through every minute of draft coverage, I mean, we'd call you crazy pretty much bat the end of every one of our draft coverages, because if you're listening at two fifty five pick two fifty five on Day three, you've got a little screw loose, kind of like we do when it comes to the NFL Draft.

We definitely resonate with that. So thank you everybody who has listened, who has made the Draft Show possible by your views, by your shares, by your comments and your questions all season long. We couldn't have had forty seven episodes without you guys out there being such a strong part of it. We couldn't have done it without everybody

in the back as well. Chris Aaron, who did hours and hours and hours of work in preparation getting up to the draft and then even afterwards of really just getting everything together and providing some really really good production value. Matt Kent, Doug Branch, Madison Kate and Alex Derek Eagleton, like you mentioned, Nick Eatman, everybody who has been a part of this. It has really been a ton of fun in a year that nobody will ever forget. And I said this on Tuesday, I'll say it again today.

Let's not start this thing in jail in December again next year. Let's try and get into the off season first and then start talking about some NFL draft. But Bucky, thanks for being a part of it this year. We got we got to talk with you last year, and it really was different this year getting you on every week in a part of the Draft Show. You are are Kevin Durant, you're an MVP caliber player who might hop around from time to time. But that's okay. You

are telling the Kyle. But he's got some competitive spirit though. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, he's will compete. Yeah, I got number seven on him. He'll go compete. Yeah, oh about seven.

Oh now, it's a lot of fun. It was. It was really great, um being on with you guys, because I will say this, Um Katie didn't get a chance to shut up Jeff and Dane Brian, Like I think for me, it is really great to not only have these conversations, but to be challenged on your opinions and on your views and to stretch yourself as a scout.

I think that's really really important, And at a time where some people don't like to hear that, I really welcome to debate because I think if you're going to be the best at what it is that we all want to do, I think you have to be able to step outside yourself and see it in other prisms.

And I think you guys have given me what forty something episodes to be able to kind of challenge my thought process forty something because I didn't make them all so forty something, so no, I think it's great, and I think it's great, and I look forward to doing it again and again. It was a lot of fun, no doubt about it, Katie. Great work is always Brian. It's a pleasure like it is every year, Flucky as fun as it has been at We look at having

you again in the future. But for everybody I just mentioned a moment ago and these three fantastic analysts will see you next year on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.