Draft Show: Targeting Talent

in Kansas City. And this is the Draft Show presented by Miller Light Light from the Star in Frisco and the SWBC Studios alongside Brian Brottis in studio, I'm Kyle Yeoman's. We've got Cris Beam in the back running things and joined again on the phone line remotely from Ohio, the great Dame Brugler from the Athletic joining us again. Our live studio audience loves it as well. We've got two of the greatest draft minds the media. In my opinion, thank you on this show. At the same time, this

is gonna be a fun one. I'll tell you what it is fun. It is a lot of fun. And when you know, we're gonna miss Aisha today, hopefully she'll be back with us tomorrow. But Bobby too and Bobby, but to have to have Dane on, I mean, I go so far back with this guy and now to see all the success and the way he handles that success, but also the way he handles the criticism to keep coming back and doing this, I think is is a lot. It's a lot of fun. I love. I love working

with this man. I have for I've loved watching him grow as a draft analysis guy. I think he's one of the best in the business. And I'll tell you what if I if I ever was a general manager again, which probably will never happen to Dan, I'm sorry about this, that would be the first cat I'd hire. But I'd go to work for this guy too if he was a general manager, because he'd probably a lot better general

manager than me. But you think, I'm perfectly fine, uh doing this with with you guys you know on the media side. Been over ten years now, Yeah, yeah, ten years we've been doing this. Uh and you know our conversations on air, off the air about these guys. Um, No, I've I've learned so much from you, and so it's it's been fun to apply that into my own scouting. Um. It's wait criticize people who are criticizing stuff. I'll tell

you what, man, you're learning. You're learning how to handle it because it's it's that they don't always they don't always see this eye to eye. You know. I tell you what. It used to bother me, and now it doesn't bother me anymore. I just talk about ice cream, your rocky roads, my chocolate chip. Man. We're all good here, just as long as you put in the work. Now you can say whatever you want, right, you got it.

I love the fact that that Brian's bringing up criticism because part of my goal today is to get you guys to fight over one player, all right. I just I want one guy that I want to see you both disagree on, and I wanted you to just go mano emano one on one. He's gonna he's gonna like a slow He's gonna like a slow footed guard from Florida. I guarantee you that you like good players. The guy's a slow footed guard. You know it. Let's get into it. That's the first name on my list. I might be

really good at this. So I want to hit some cowboys draft targets because there are a ton of guys and girls out in the media and out on their own doing their own scouting, and honestly, I think that's a great thing. Man. What's really cool about this whole process is that there are so many opinions. Yeah, and they get the flood in and Cowboys Nation has so many loyal and true fans that are are not just

fans anymore. They're their own scouts and they fuel, they build their own opinions, and they've got their own shows. So you start to see these names emerge out of those those accounts on Twitter or on YouTube or these different shows that are out there that are all fantastic. I want to hit some of those names and hopefully I want to get your opinion on one of them. And one of them is the slow footing card out of Florida that Brian just brought up. Oh, Cyrus Torrence.

He's an offensive lineman. He's got some skill to him, really good tape. Went to the Senior Bowl, was impressive in Mobile. I'll let Dane start give me your scouting report on Osiris Torrance, and then I'll let Brian follow it up. This guy did not have to transfer to Florida to be a top forty draft pick. He was already that at Louisiana, he decided to go challenge himself.

He followed his head coach Billy Napier to Florida this past year, and all he did was earned first team ll Sec played extremely well as a senior for a guy that's his size, that thick, wide frame. He can dominate in the run game. You know you see him. He's got boxing gloves for hands. He just punches his way where he wants. He'll drive you away from the run and then in pass pro he can set, set his anchor drop his hips. And you know, is he a guy do you want on the move all the time? No,

not necessarily. I think his connection rate when you ask him to climb or get on the outside can be inconsistent at times. But if you want a phone booth blocker who you know you're you're not asked to move all the time. Can move some, but not all the time. He will dominate the man in front of him. And that's why you know he is one of the top thirty prospects in this draft and has a good chance

to go first round. Yeah, you know, Dane is right about the mass, and he's right about the movement and I the thing is, I don't see a nimble player, and that's and maybe that's hard for a guy that's and I think he's dropped weight. I think Dane, initially we were looking at this guy as a three hundred and forty seven pound player. I think he's somewhere now in three hundred and thirty five pounds is what they

meant they went down. So you know, if if if I'm if that's if, if it means him continually drop and wait, I'm all about that because I think it can only help him. There you go. I mean, that's that's ten pounds from what we were talking about, so you know that can help him. I think the thing about him is that he uses that mask to keep rushers off the quarterback, and I'm okay with that. You know, the defenders have a hard time moving him. They've had

a hard time going through him. You know, if you rush him down the middle, there's a pretty good chance that he is going to handle you. You know, he's to me, it's when things get a little bit on the edge. I think you can get him to get over the top of his feet and that will be a little bit of a problem for him. And so I just feel like that to me, when you know, when you watch him play, he could be a little

tick slow coming off the ball. And if you're a massive guy and you're a little bit slow, and you know, you're already probably at a probably at a disadvantage right there. The guy is in Dan's right. He came from from Louisiana. Uh, you know, he came with his coach. You know, there's a lot of really some positive things about him, though. I think in this day and age, the more I watched these NFL games, we saw a really active athletic

offensive line. Yeah, a big line in Philadelphia, even in Kansas City and the Super Bowl, with that ability to play on the edge, to get into space, to get to the second level. I just think Osias Torrence is a guy that, yeah, absolutely consider, but just know the type of player you're going to get. If you're expecting a nimble, light footed guy, this is not going to

be your guy. You're just not mass power strength. That's absolutely the guy you need to look at the way that I described it in my go Ahead, Dane, how let you go quick? On Florrance Path walking snaps in college four years, zero sacks, allowed this last year and now going from the Sunbelt of the SEC, he had zero penalties, which is very impressive. You know, he had you know, two or three at Louisiana last year and then for them to this past season, to go to

Florida and have zero penalties says a lot about him. So, I mean, I agree for the most part, I think you know, Brian and I see the player very similar. I'm just a little more optimistic about his fit at the next level. And I mean he's a plug and play starter in my month, first round strength is what

I had. First round strength, third round movement. Because I'm right there with you, I think he has limitations in movement and pulling and even in past protection sometimes, which if you're in a phone booth as a guard, ye you're gonna be okay. Yeah, for the most part. The penalties thing there is interesting because my when I watched this guy, I see a bigger Tyler Smith where there's

footwork problems, but the strength is there. And if you, of course watched the show last year, we weren't very high on Tyler Smith until we really got to know who he was and where he was going to end up. Playing with this team. I'm worried about having multiple guys like that, like pairing Tyler Smith with a guy like Osiris Torrence. If Smith's gonna be your left tackle and then Torrence is expected to be your guard, then you

have two slow moving, big strength guys. Is that going to limit what you could do up from Let me ask you this a question, real quick, dame, Am I over am I over analyzing the movement part of it? I mean, do you do you? I mean, because you're talking about a phone booth player. To me, that's kind of a limited you know. When I think phone booth, I think a small area player is what I'm looking at right there. So you don't see a guy that plays really wide right that you can use in that

in that way completely honest. I do think it's a disservice to use the word slow with him, Okay, I think like for me, I use the word average. I think as a parkiller out in space, he's a very average mover um And so I think if you you're not asking to do it every snap, but he can do it, and I think that you can do it. Uh, you know enough too. He's not going to hurt you. Now if you are a an offensive line and offense that wants to be on the move all the time,

he's probably not a fit for you. But if you're on the move some of the time, I think he can handle it. I don't think he's slow. I think he's just his movement skills are more average than above average. So then you can know that's that's fair because to me, like I said, I just look at these offensive lines that play now, I don't think this guy's for everybody. I really really don't know. If there's some teams that like to bully you up front, and that's the type

of guy I think this guy is. I think he's a bully type of a player. We'll see with Mike Solari. If you're the Cowboys, you know, and again we're trying to be an all service group here. You know, if you're one of these guys or gals that are watching us and your team plays with athletic offensive lineman like Dane's talking about, this is probably not your guy. I mean,

you know a lot of space playing. But if you're a power team, power gap all that, if you just want to like double team and push on guys and stuff like that, absolutely this guy is probably somebody you need to look at. I also I can speak on then you mentioned good day, Sorry you mentioned that you mentioned the chiefs. Uh, yeah, you know. I don't think you know it's Tray Smith at guard. Does he have uh you know that much more mobility than an Osyrius Torrens.

I don't think so. I mean, I do think that a guy like this can survive in you know, I think is he better for some schemes more than others, Yes, but I still think he could be survived and be just fine in most offenses in the NFL. Yeah, I just like, let's say, but the thing with me with with Kansas City is that you do see second level blocks and stuff like that. That's just watching them play. I just feel like, though to me that you know,

you're not wrong about Smith. The thing I just think, I just if this if you're just interested in, like, okay, well in the in the word phone booth tells me short area, small area, you know, And I think in this day and age, though, you you know you if you can control the down lineman, you can get back through into the second level. So I don't think this as one of these huge things I just think you have to know what you're getting with this player. If you think that he is going to be on the

edge or on the second level a lot. I don't think that's his cup of tea. I really really don't. So that's just that's just kind of how I feel about this. It's probably one of the limitations that you have to have with taking a guy at twenty six. You're, like you we talked about previously, you're gonna have twenty

first round grade. So if Dane's sitting here telling you that at twenty six you can grab a guy who is a plug and play starter right now but still has growth to go in his game, that might be exactly what they're thinking. And as I was saying a moment ago, based off of what I've heard across the building, they really like Torrence. Yah. Know that strength the fit and you should, you absolutely should. I mean all that.

Just just know what you're getting in the player. Just know what you're getting in the player right there, because you know, like like I say, I think there's things that you're gonna have to There's some things he's gonna struggle with, but there's gonna be some things you're gonna absolutely love with I say, the size, the power of the mass, those are all things Dane, real quick? Do you have him like is a is he one of a first round grade for you? Or is he more

like player thirty or twenty eight twenty nine? Where is he on your ranking? Yeah, he's top thirty, twenty eight, twenty nine. Run there, okay one or okay two? Yeah? Yeah, a guy that could come in and start. And you know you said plug and play, and I don't disagree. I don't disagree with you on plug and play. I don't disagree with that. Just know what you're getting in

the player. Yeah. No, I mean, like I say, I have my preference of just again watching some of these offensive line play and just how these teams are able to just affect defenses in the running game by getting guys they secure down lineman and now they're getting guys up on the second level. That's how I mean. But you gotta guy like Brian. I would say that to me that he is more like I would have him more in the bottom like thirty five to thirty eight is where I would have him right there. I don't

right now, I've got him at thirty right far off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the thing though, is is across the board, Dallas tends to value the unteachable traits when they go with these first round lineman. Is it more teachable to teach that strength or tot to teach the footwork If he keeps losing weight, that's easier. If all of a sudden he's down to when we get him to camp and he's he's a three thirty Yeah, he's a three hundred and twenty five pound guy. That is a huge

difference from what he was playing at. Yeah, yeah, I mean that. Then then if he gets down to that three twenty five or three twenty three whatever weight, he's gonna be more like what Dane's talking about than what I'm talking about. And that kind of sounds fun. Yeah, I like that one a little bit better, all right, Uh, Moving into the secondary real quickly. This is Deonte Banks

Maryland corner. You talk about the size and the length and the physicality that he has kind of fits that dan Quinn mold a little bit, Brian, what have you seen from him? I'll tell you what minute and again I'm working on a height and tell me if I'm wrong about this. Six foot two oh seven and the first line I said, out of this thing, Burglar was ideal size for a corner. I love the physical side this guy has to his game. He's comfortable when it's

coming to playing his style. You know that type of thing. I mean, he loves that. He's not afraid to come forward. He's not afraid to tackle. That's a big thing with me nowadays. I think you give up so many of these in the secondary. If you cannot tackle, I can't play with you. I mean, there's so many big plays in these games. I gotta have a physical player. I love how he sticks his nose in the action. I think he's a sticky man player. He's got some feel

for how to position himself. He can pin receivers near the sidelines. The movement, the recovery. This guy's just not going to give an inch when he plays technique. I find a guy that can locate the football. He's not late getting his head around. There's a lot of really good things that I like about this kid, but the physical aspects of the traits of him, I think I

like about him the most. I think you The way I described him in my report was he's a cover and clobber corner where and he's he's you like the size, but he has the speed. He's got rangey speed. Like you said, he likes to get physical um and not just in the run game, but up and down the field with route runners. I really like him at the top of routes. A lot of guys Keiley Ringo, you could run him off the top of a route every single time if just come back, come back, come back

every time. But with a guy like Dantay Banks. You throw in the Ohio State tape, you see him covering Marvin Harrison Junior, who's gonna be a top five seven pick next year, and he's playing with him at the top of routes. He's doing a really nice job sinking, using his footwork, anticipating what's coming based off of what the route is, the route runner, based on what the offense is doing the alignment. So there's a lot to

Deontay Banks. And trust me, I put him in my first round mock uh you know, back in November, and I got some pushback on that. Don't move You got him right? No, No, you got him right? You did, you got him right? He's yeah, I think he's he's a legit NFL story. And I think the key for him is when he struggled, it's when he didn't trust his technique, when he kind of it just fell apart a little bit. When he trusts his technique, he's an NFL starter all day. And so it's just a matter

of consistency for him. And this is a fun corner class, right, And I've got Christian Gonzalez is my top guy. And then you know, we talked about Joey Porter Junior and talk about I really really like Devon Witherspoon from Illinois. But Deante Banks he's right there, uh, in the top five six corners in this class. He's he's a really good player. How would you have him? Or Cam Smith from South Carolina? How would you? How would you? I struggle.

I struggles. He's tough because he's he he freelances way too much for me, the like it's it's kind of reminds me J. C. Horne. Maybe it's just the uniforms at South Carolina uniform Yeah, but you know the way he freelances, the hands on approach. Um, you know, there's a few off stuff he needs to work out too. But in my top one hundred that I came out with on the Athletic yesterday. He was number fifty one overall for me. Yeah, and Banks was a right around thirty.

So okay, I've got a decent, almost a full round difference between the two. I'll tell you what. I think you got the cats right, I really do. I thought that Smith was a little bit more of a guesser then and then when you watched him play. I like the fact that he could play slot and he could play on the outside. But you know, but that's that's where you know. You don't see him play a lot of tight coverage. Everything was off and lose and that

kind of thing with him. So I think you got the separation of the players, right, I really really do. I've got Banks is my third corner right now, and I have Smith is my fourth. They're right there. And I think I like cam Smith a little bit more. Maybe it is the uniform because even though he does freelance, I still think he makes plays, whereas Deontay Banks, he

had what eight pass breakups as a senior. I mean, he's not the production in the passing game wasn't there, but he made up for that with his with his his runde fence, with his ability to tackle. He had forty tackles or something like that in his final season. I'm hearing when I hear Deontay Banks Dane, I'm hearing a complimentary corner to the opposite side of Treyvon Diggs. Because you think about the speed and the ball skills and the coverage ability of Treyvon Diggs, but he's not

a run defender. He's not gonna come up and hit you where on the other side, you've got a guy like Banks that could come down. He'll play in the run, play against the past, keep at the top of the routes, and then shut down somebody on the opposite side. That's a complimentary one two punch at corner that the Cowboys haven't had in quite some time, Right, I think that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, a guy that you can trust out there by himself on an island, obviously,

is he yet to ask yourself? Is he ready to step in as a rookie from day one and be that guy if you're going to invest a first round picking him. And that's something that you know, obviously will be discussing in the war room as they build the draft board and come up with their you know who will realistically be there at pick twenty six. But I think, yeah, he's part of the discussion. He definitely needs to be Would would you do that, Dane? Would you put him

in there and trust him day one? I think he has that ability, sure. I mean I think that you you draft him believing that he can do it, and obviously you go to training camp hoping that's how it plays out. But you trust training camp, and you know that's you try not to predict predict too much because that's what training camps for to threre all that out.

But you know it's uh, if you're drafting him where you're drafting him in the first round, I think you're doing so with the assumption that he's going to be at least competing for starter level snaps very early at his rookie contract. Hey, Dane, real quick on the Porter thing every mock draft, and you know, I guess you guys are probably mute in me by now because of

all the mock draft questions that I answer. But the thing with Porter where I mean, I talked to somebody in Tampa Bay and they were kind of thinking about him at nineteen, he goes earlier than nineteen Danny Joey Porter junior Penn State. I think probably so. I think he's probably in that like five to fifteen range there. Okay, answered a lot of questions early, guest, but but I mean, you think about it. Are we gonna four quarterbacks going

the top twelve fifteen? H you know, I think that some you know, if that happens, that's gonna push guys back maybe a little bit. This is uh now, I think corner is obviously a premium position in to his NFL, so you know, tackles edge rusher's corners, these guys are gonna go pretty early. And I think Joey Porter is just there's too much there for Yeah, I totally agree and yeah yeah, and the aggressiveness is a double edged sword. He'll make early contact, he'll uh you know, get himself

in trouble at times. But I mean he's long, he's physical, he's athletic. Teams will trust that and bet on those traits all day with him. I've seen the seat dealers looking at him at seventeen too. So even if he ends up slipping to seventeen nineteen twenty, I don't know if he even makes it. I just I don't know how he gets to Dallas. I just that's in my mind. And someone reminded me on Twitter. They're like, listen, well ceedee,

lamb got to you. That was once in a well you had a situation too where you had a couple of teams that took wide receivers. Rugs went, you know, and Judy went before that's yeah, that's how you get Yeah, all right, last one before we take our first break. Drew Sanders out of Arkansas. We kind of mentioned him a little bit on this show, but I don't think we've dove in the way that we should around him.

He's a local prospect. Went to Denton Ryan High School, was offensive player, defensive player, did a little bit of everything, went to Alabama, then transferred to Arkansas, and then blew up in Fayetteville. Brian, what have you seen when you look at Sanders. I'll tell you what, though, I'm The thing that's impressment about him to me is that the way that he's also can rush the passer, and I really really really like that. I think that this guy plays really well in space. I think he takes on

blockers I think he uses his hands. I think they leverage the power. I think he could walk blockers back. He kind of gets himself free. He can get to the quarterback too. And I mentioned that about him as a pass rusher, but the thing that he does is that extending his hands, he gets him there quickly and then he's able to get rid of that blocker and get to the ball. You know, he's a transfer from Alabama.

I just think there's so many things that he was so well coached, you know, going from Alabama to Arkansas. I mean you see the instincts, you see the awareness and the fact that he actually can see him rush the passer. I think that makes him even more valuable.

What do you think, Dane. Yeah, he's he's long, he's lean, he's athletic, and he's really he's cunning, you know, and as you see that as off the ball and you see it as an edge rusher, where you know, he has instincts in both areas where he can he can

make plays. Above all, you want guys that can make plays at this position, right, Okay, Well, he's the only the second FBS player sends like two thousand to have at least ninety five tackles, at least twelve tackles for a loss, at least eight saves, at least three force fumbles, and at least one interception. The only other guy to do that in college football in the last twenty five years is Khalil Mack. This guy. If you want someone

that will make plays, this guy did it. He filled the stat sheet this past year at Arkansas and it reflects on tape as well. With the movement skills and he's position wise, he's almost like a do everything front salmon defender where you know you want him to blitz, he can give you that you want him to drop in coverage. He does some nice things there. You know, I still think there's some things he's working out in terms of taking on blocks, and you know it's there.

There's something because yeah, he played a lot of offense in high school, grew up into Oregon. His dad's a high school coach, so I mean he's been preparing this for a long time. I mean he's the type of guy that's been watching his nutrition since he was ten

years old, waiting for this moment. So this is someone that is you're getting a pro I think we'll hear a lot of Layton Vanderesh comparisons as we get closer to a player like this, But you know, he's He's a guy I want to see cut down on the miss tackles, and I think his best football is ahead of him. He's more athletic than Lvee, right, Dan, I mean, he's just a little bit more slender, moves better from a standpoint, but probably Yeah, I think at least he's

stuck out from the early days. I did a lot of high school football work back in the day when he was a Denton Ryan, like you said, preparing since he was a kid to be this guy. He was a man playing amongst boys. He was one of those guys you knew would go to Alabama have some success. It didn't happen in Tuscaloosa, had happened in Fayetteville, but goodness, I mean, he was all over the field for the Razorbacks this past year. All right, let's take our first

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Draft Show. Starting off with Stewart, our friend. Stewart says, when prioritizing picks, what do you what positions do you want to take early in the draft if the value is there? And what positions would you rather want to take later? Brian, Because you don't want to window dress your board. No, you don't wanna, you don't want to get too cute with it. No, but there are certain values and places that you can take certain positions. I

think it goes really from draft to draft. Dane am am I going down the right path there because to me, I just think, especially when you're picking at the back end of the draft, you have to be very mindful of letting the board come to you. Now, if you start to see a guy slide that you really really like, where you start to see they'll be pockets of players. Dane will tell you in this draft he really likes the running backs. He'll tell you that he really likes

the corners in this draft. You know, he'll tell you know he probably won't be as high on the wide receivers. Again, I'm putting all these words in Dane's mouth, but I just I trust this guy. He probably will tell you that the wide receivers are not as strong as they've been the last couple of years. I think there's certain positions that you just look at and you know in this draft that like, okay, if if I wait, where's

the quality of guy? And I always believe this, especially if you're picking at the back end, you cannot select a player early enough. If somebody's all that's a reach. That's a reach. No, you tell me if I'm going to get back to my spot in the second round or late in the third round, that that same player is going to be there. No, it doesn't happen that way. So you have to be ready to maybe go for a player maybe a round earlier than you would think,

especially at the back end of the draft. I just feel like that, but you could also you know, you'll see those positions and you feel like Okay, I could be a little bit more patient shit at corner because I kind of feel like all the guys are the are legitimately the same type of a player or a defensive end. Yeah, Guad Dane, I think you nailed it brought us when you said that it depends draft to draft.

There are some drafts where you look at your board and you're like, wow, corner just drops off after the third round. I mean, we just don't have any day three corners we love, right, so let's make sure we get one in the first three rounds. So I think it just really depends on the flip side. You know,

look at this running back class. It is absolutely loaded in the top four rounds, and that's something that you know it's gonna end up affecting where Bijean Robinson goes Bejean Robinson is one of the best talents in this draft,

There's no question about that. But he's not gonna be drafted nearly as high as he should because the position an he plays and the fact that some teams will look at it and say, you know what, we've got starter level grades on guys that are going to go in the third maybe even someone Eric Gray from Oklahoma might fall to the fourth. Yeah, we feel really good about some of these guys, so we're let's take a tackle here in the first round and let's wait to

get our running back later. So it just a drafted draft. I think it'll really really change up based off of the draft board and how teams feel about the Yeah, when you set your board, you will be able to see, you know, like what parcels will used to say. It's like they're stacked in there like club sandwiches. You know, the players are all stacked in and you try and get yourself a little bit of some depth or room between the you know, okay, first round, second round, third round.

I mean, you just don't want to shove all these guys into that second round. And you know, it'll remind you when you when you when you lay it out, when you lay it all out, they'll start getting picked off and then you'll have two or three tags on a particular player and you're like, okay, I could trade back if I have to, because I got the same

player right there. You know, the corners might be the same, you know, if whether you take you know, whatever corner you might take, there might be two or three of those guys that are kind of the same guy. Yeah, so you're not. It's like, okay, I can if if people are trying to come get your pick, you know, you can make that determination, or you're like, like Dane's talking about, if I don't take this guy right now, the drop off is so bad, I'm not going to

be able to get another one like him. That makes a lot of teams have to like push and go get a guy, particularly off that board. My producer mine is starting the churn with the conversation here. I think we would have a lot of fun if we brought a white board in here. Sure, and you've always talked

about this show being very much so like a war room. Yeah, putting up a white board and then I'll run through scenarios with everybody and trying and we can actually build a board together because we all build our own boards. Dane's got his, You've got yours, I've got mine. We build these boards and then but you do it as scouts and then you come together and you build one, right cons this board. Yeah, so that might be something we look at on the horizon, kind of like that idea.

All right, Charlie asked who are some of the the possible guard prospects that the Cowboys can look at, and rounds one through four we already hit outside. His touris in the first part of the show. If you'd missed it, you can rewind to go listen to that one. He's one of the ones in the first round. But are there any other guard prospects in this draft that excites you, Dane when it comes to the Cowboys and where they're picking, whether it's in the first round at twenty six, second

round of fifty nine, or so on and so forth. Yeah, sure, I think this is a pretty decent guard group in that range. Big fan of Cody Mock for North Dkota State. I mean, whether you play him guard center, I think you can do it. Former walk on at tight end is obviously built up his strength and his frame, but the movement skills, the tenacity that he brings. You know, I just going down to the Senior Bowl and him just where do you want me to play left guard? Okay,

never played there. I grew like That's just that's how he attacks it. And I think that there will be a little bit of a learning curve for him going from the FCS to do the NFL, and obviously it's a big talent jump and then changing positions. He was a left tackle in college and so there will be a learning curve and some roadbumps for him. But I think in the long run you will be happy that you drafted Cody Mocks, probably somewhere in the second round.

And then you know Steve a Vila from TCU is you know, I'll be interested to hear Brian's thoughts if he If Brian thinks of him kind of in the same vein as Osiris Torrence in terms of not being the best mover, but you want him to win confined spaces. He could do that. One more name I wanted to mention once you get into the third round and then maybe even to the fourth. Nick Selidivry from Old Dominion. He's another name to keep on the radar. Tackle in college,

probably a guard in the NFL. I think he had a nice week down there at the Senior Bowl, and I think it's put himself in that third fourth round range. Now, yeah, when I ask you this, Dane, how about Jordan McFadden from Clemson And the thing that kind of worries me a little bit about him as being six two was

at his measurement? Is that what he is? Because working again off the six two three oh five, he was the starting left tackle at Clemson, and you're kind of right about a via by the way from TCU, that kind of that same. I really to me though, the further the heart, the further he has to go, the harder it is for him to block. You know, That's kind of what I was kind of thinking about with him. But I was also looking at this, like I say, I was looking there's McClendon from Georgia, who I think

is six foot six four, three hundred pounds. Again, when I'm working off of right there, more of an athlete, more of a longer guy, you know, long limb, thin build, kind of a guy initial quickness, struggles a little bit with the sustain and the balance a little bit. But if you I like McFadden, I don't like the fact that he's six two though, that that's that's kind of an issue for me. Or am I seeing a guy

that that that? You know, it's you know, it was just rare to watch him put his hand on the ground. But the pass set the balance, you know, I mean it was like, you know, you've seen him get jerked out of his stance a little bit, you know, but does he have the link to keep defenders off him? You know, I just feel like that kind of like that to me, there's like that fit and run with his guy. You know, the guards that I've got through so far on this board, I'm a little bit nervous about.

You know, I'm not I'm not sitting there jumping up and down. And maybe the best one that we talked about was Torrents. You know, if you're going to go that route, you know, because the other ones, I think they all kind of have their awards to their game. I think that's fair with McFadden because he's, like he said, he's a left tackle who would be making a transition down to guard. Six two doesn't bother me as much at guard because I think with he has decent length

to him. He has almost thirty four inch arms. Yeah, okay, you know, a little disproportionate to his height, but you get him with that length and you know he can quick win I think inside of guards. So now McFadden didn't make my top one hundred, he was probably one of the top ten fifteen guys that just missed. So

we're still talking about a third, fourth round guy. But in that mix, obviously they're in that range for a reason and not in the first two rounds, and so got to be fat and you're you're sacrificing a little bit. One other name to mention McClendon Curtis from Chattanooga, Okay, who had a really good week at the Senior Bowl. I think he you know, he did make my top one hundred. He would be a possible third round option. I think he needs a little more work than some

of these other guys we've been talking about though. Going back to and by the way, I like McClendon Curtis because you watched those Senior Bowl practices. He was one of the guys from a smaller school where in the past they've had some ute Chattanooga guys out there and they haven't necessarily banned out or they haven't a little Well, that's a great thing about strange Dane and I we can all of us can talk about Ali Marpett and what he did at Hobart. So don't let a small

school Kyle Dugger Kyle. I mean, yeah, there's there's some guys that have stepped in and played played well in this league being from those small school and that's a big reason and the Senior Bowl is as successful as it has been. Absolutely, going back to McClinton, one of the things that I wrote down when watching the Senior Bowl, I think there are a lot of things that he's good at. There's nothing that he's great at. And then with his size, I mean he's listed during the Senior Bowl.

He was listed at six four, two ninety. Yeah, if he's at two ninety, I don't need lower body stiffness, and he was stiff multiple times throughout the tape. Throughout the Senior Bowl. I thought I looked at his game and I didn't love the movement below the waist. And if if you're not able to move at two ninety, what happens whenever you get up to three ten, Well then you're at three oh five. Well here's one of these positions. So you know, the Cowboys are looking potentially

at you know, potentially at a left guard. Yeah, and you know, do you have enough candidates? You know, like to Dane's point, Torrents at twenty six, if you're gonna if you're gonna go make that make that play. You want to fix the left guard spot, you go get Torrents because other than that, I don't think your options are particularly great. Again, I haven't seen all the guards yet. Yeah, but that I'm getting a little nervous about the ones I have been seeing. Have y'all seen or I know,

Dane seen McClendon go for a day. He's he's actually three thirty. He was three thirty at the Senior Bowl. He's I mean, he's massive. I mean he's he's a guy that has actually damn mean, he was much heavier than that. I think three thirty is a good spot for him. He just needs to learn that in the NFL he won't gible to overpower everybody. That that's so Warren McClinton, Georgia three thirty, I mean we had him. I've got him at two ninety. Are you talking about

Chatten Nougat McClinton. Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, mclennen Curtis, Yeah, Okay, okay, McClinton Curtis is three thirty. Yeah, I haven't seen. I haven't seen the Chatta kid myself. The Warren McClendon was who I was saying at two ninety Dane gotcha, okay, And honestly, I'm probably keeping him outside I think at tackle, I don't. I don't know that. I don't know how he's gonna look inside a guard. He's he's a tougher one that I don't know that. Um, I don't think.

I haven't totally figured out yet. So Warren McClendon, just so the listeners can get it straight, Warren McClendon out of Georgia tackle, moving the guards, six foot four, two ninety and then outside Chattanooga or McClendon Curtis, So they're both. McClendon's one last name, one first name, and he's massive. He is absolutely massive, all right. I had multiple people ask me about Deuce Vaughan. The Deuce is loose, the

running back from Kansas State, electrifying athlete. Of course, he's related to Chris Vaughn, who's in the scouting department here with the Cowboys. Based off of what you've seen, are you impressed with what Deuce Vaughn could bring as like a mid round prospect at running back and somebody who could bring some electrifying aspects. You got that one, Dame, because I've got down through. I've got down through. I'm down through. Tank Bigsby is who I've got to. So

I got six of these runners done. As a mid round guy, yeah, I think absolutely. I mean, you know, I don't think he's someone like I didn't consider him from my top one hundred. You know, I think he's just at the size is tough at that position, and it's not you know, he's He's one of these guys that he's very built already, like he's already filled out his frame. He's not someone that's going to add ten pounds. It'll be interesting to see exactly what he is weight

wise at the combine. But and you see it. There are times where you know, as an inside runner, as soon as he meets a little bit of resistance, I mean, he's getting stalled out and so he doesn't necessarily have a ton of that inside power. But you get him out in space and you know, you look at what Boston Scott is for the Eagles. Uh, you know, I think he can be that type of offensive playmaker where you get the ball in his hands in space, he

will juke you out of your shoes. You know, he's got a little bit of juice to him, so he can make those pursuit angles be a little tough. So I mean duce Vaughan and the if I'm talking about the right value, which for me is like when we get to the fifth round. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to adduce Vaughn to my my my roster. I just don't think he's necessarily a guy we're talking about the top one hundred pick. Yeah. I had him as a fifth round date early grade, real quick and just you answers quick,

I hope how close is Robinson? Bijean Robinson Texas and Jamar Gibbs from Alabama to you? Is that like one for running backs? Yeah? They're the easy one too. For me, I think that I have Bijean like six overall and Jamir Gibbs at like twenty one or something. Okay, So but they're there, there's like a thing okay, spots okay, but but skill skill wise, they're a little different too, okay, Okay, Yeah, talent wise, I think they're they're both legit first round talents.

In my opinion, I think, uh, you know, Bijean gives you a little more power obviously, he can break tackles in more ways Jamir and they're both very good pass catchers. Jamir Gibbs is a little more sudden than Bijean, and so you have a trade off. You know, you want the guy that's more power and more of a workhorse. You want a guy like Jamir Gibbs who is more sudden, but he's also probably not going to have as many carries in that body, as John Robinson gives you, what

did you like about Gibbs when you watched him? Me? Yeah, it was clear when you watched like the Texas game, you know, when they were playing and there you know, Texas did a good job up front. I felt like handling what Alabama was trying to do. But Dane's right when it came down to like the toughness aspect of it and him having a you know, the vision, the ability to slash. I mean, he kind of has got to feel for how those blocks develop and then he's

to the hole, through the hole. He's got quick feed, he's shifty, he's a burst, he's got an extra gear. I felt like you can see him separate from defenders. The start stop quickness, I think is the power. I mean, he'll line up all over the place, and play for you. I mean you can use him as a receiver. He catches the ball, he doesn't fight it, the soft hands, there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot to like about this kid. I was just curious with Dane because

we all talk about Robinson. I think a really good consolation prize if you don't get Robinson would be Gibbs. I think his Gibbs is going to be a star. I really really do. M this is here with you. I think he is that type of talent and he's again he's not that body type. He was listed right around two hundred pounds, and so it'll be interesting at the combine. Is he two o five, two o six?

What is he? Um? You know, I think if you if you took all Alvin Kamara and Chris Johnson and combined them, it would look something similar to Jamir Gibbs. He is that and I'm talking. I know these two running backs I'm talking about are legit, dude, So I understand this is high praise, but I'm with it, Brian. He is a potential star at the next level. It

just you have to understand. And you know, this goes back and we talked about with Osiris torants understand what type of player he is, so you use him the right way. And in three years in college he only had two touchdowns on goal to go situations. You're not going to use him in some of those short yardish things, or at least as an up the gut runner. You know, you want him in space, you want him I think once something that included in my report on him, and

this goes along with what you said, Bryan. He is an offensive lineman's best friend, absolutely, because he is so good at pressing, understanding what is you know, the patience. He's not gonna run up the block the back of his blockers. He understands what the run design is. He understands when to hit it and when it anticipates those openings, and he has the start stop footwork to boom go and he's through the hole as soon as it opens.

So yeah, I'm with it. He's a star. We're watching some highlights of him right now on the video side of things, and there's twas true Sanders seeds to make that play. They're going up against Arkansas and back to back plays, or at least on the highlight reel, and he's bursting through the hole. He's got the vision, he's very patient, he's a lateral mover, and then boom, he

hits it. You know what's funny? Guys like when I first started scouting in nineteen ninety two, like Robinson and Gibbs would have been top five, top ten pias yea. And now it's gonna be the conversation that's gonna tear everybody up exactly exactly. You're gonna have half and half and you're gonna have somebody saying don't ever take a running back in the first round. Then another half that's

gonna say, well, they're going to be a star. All right, real quickly, last question, let's try and blow through this real fast. What are some dB names that could fit the dan Quinn mold. We talked a little bit earlier about banks from Maryland. Are there anybody else out there,

Dane that could maybe be in that conversation? Well, obviously, you know we're talking about length, we're talking about bigger guys, and you know I Kile Ringo is he a guy that do you think you know, maybe there'd be interest there because Keilee Ringo is just a freak at six two fifteen. You know the size that he brings. Um,

you know, could he move to safety? And there's questions there and then once you get into uh, you know, day two and day three and some of those you know, that's what we saw them do like two years ago with some of those corners they drafted in the second third round. Um, you know guy like Eli Rish, you know Brian I know, yeah know Eli Ricks from his LSU days. How good he was a freshman now yeah, sophomore years, her junior year. He transfers Alabama and struggle

to get on the field. But this guy is a talent. And when we talk about the discount sticker, he's got that on him. In third, fourth round, Eli Rix, maybe he's that reclamation project that Dan Quinn could be looking for. I'll tell you what you're talking about. Day two, day three kind of guys that Terik Stevens from Miami is one that I mean you look at him, six one, two hundred and fourteen pounds. That's what I was working

off right there. I'll give you another one too, free safety Antonio Johnson six three one five pounds, physically looks every bit. I'll tell you what, I love this kid, I really, really do love this kid. I mean, I'd like this second round kind of guy for me because I think there's there's some times where you talk about the tackling and I feel like that, you know, I'd like to see him wrap up a little bit better on some of this stuff. But man, he is a

really good player in space. I love how he throws his body around. He's you know, he's just not gonna let anybody get buy him very easily. I think that the play all over the formation there. They'll put him in the slot, they they you know, wherever he has to play, he's gonna play. And I think the length about this kid really really helps it. Again, I mentioned Stevenson from from from uh Miami, Yeah, Miami, he has another guy. I think he might be a safety too.

I think, you know, I mean, you could play him it. He's got that ability to where he can I feel like he can cover. I feel like that he you know, he puts himself in position to make plays. The length helps him to knock the ball, the way he work around the receivers instead of through him. There's a there's some guys that in this secondary, whether whether it's corners or safeties. I think you're gonna make really good players for for somebody whoever drafts him. Antonio Johnson out of

A and m and then Stevenson out of Miami. For both of both of those guys, Stevenson currently listed as a corner has that position flex and then Antonio Johnson listed as US safety. All right, let's take our second break. When we come back. Dane released his top one hundred on the Athletic. You can check it out as soon as write this second, as you should, but we're gonna hit some of the talking points on that and wrap things up on this edition of the Draft Show. Next.

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got Dane Brugler on the line from the Athletic. I'm Kyle Yeomans and if you go on to the Athletic, Dane released his Top one hundred this week, his most recent edition of the Top one hundred. Dane one, fantastic work as always. Two. I want to know who was the biggest change, who had the most movement back and forth from your your original top one hundreds and now into this one. Well, and this is my first one hundred Top one hundred I've done. I did um you

know a top fifty right back in December. And now now that we got past the All Star season, Okay, now time to reset the board. Get a top one hundred out there, and um a couple couple of juniors, because you know, I work so much on the seniors. And then right around this time is when I really dive into the underclassman. Uh Klijah Cancy, the undersized defensive tackle from Pitt Well. And that's you know, I'm not not gonna lie I. I have a small bias, you know,

with smaller players. It's just something that you can't I'm human, you know, you can't get that out of your mind. There's smaller players that worries you. But the more and then so basically you go into watching tape and you make them overcome it with your eyes. And Kalijah Cancy was able to do that. Where you don't love the size on paper, you don't over you don't overcome the you know, or you worry about that lack of size

the next level. But then the more you watch, the more you keep coming to the conclusion that, Okay, this guy's just he's defeating blocks at will because he's so explosive of his hands are so quick and violent. He is you know, talk about quick wins up and down his tape. He's able to do that. And I just didn't think the lack of size was that much of a deterrent on film that would stop me from drafting

him somewhere in the top forty picks. So, Kalaija Kancy is really really interesting and you know he's one of the top defensive tackles this year. You liked him a lot. I brought him up, Yeah, I do. I brought him up as a player. When last week when I was on with you guys, I mean this school does have a history. It does. I mean you can't. But Dane's right. I mean, this guy is six foot, he's two hundred and seventy five pounds. You should everything about him. You

should kill him on his lack of height. You should, and you can't because he's disruptive. This guy immediate attacks gaps, he works the edges, he'll chase. I mean, he's he makes his share of place. He's lateral quickness, redirect everything you want, push the pocket with power, the quickness, the moves and all that. He can win right off the jump.

There's yeah, oh go ahead. You know, back in the day the old crusty's like me and the you know when we first started, you know, six foot two, seventy five, you wouldn't have drafted this kid, but you can't. You gotta give him his due when you watch his tape. Really like what we've seen from him as well. Now, Dane, really quickly before we let you go and we get off of here, what is with all the tight ends. There's a lot of tight ends up in the top

forty of your your top one hundred. Is this one of the better classes we've seen at that position recently. There's no doubt about it. Um and and it's it's top heavy, and then it stretches. You know, if you get Sam Laporta in the third round, Yeah, you're feeling really good about that tight end from Iowa. But talking about that top five tight ends in my top fifty, four, in my top thirty, and it just it'll depend on

what you want. You know, Michael Mayer is different than Darnell Washington, who's different than Dalton Kincave, who is different than Luke Musgrave. If you're looking for the true in line guy who can work over the middle of the field and be a productive player for you there, Well, the mayor is your guy from Notre Dame. But if you're looking for the high upside of Darnell Washington, who can be a sixth offensive lineman and has upside as a pass catcher, well then you're going to go that route.

If you want maybe the best pure pass catcher at the group, Dalton Kincaid, and I think Luke Musgrave is maybe the best combination of those. So it really depends on your offense and what you're looking for, and that's a team by team those four players, you will have a different order based off what that offense does, how they operate, and what type of specific role they're looking for. Where don't you have schooner maker? Is it schoon maker?

Is that how you say the name? Schoonmaker? Michigan, Michigan number one hundred. He was a guy I'm telling to make sure he was in there. Yeah, and you're not wrong. You're not wrong, by the way, you know, when you look at this I thought he was for two hundred and forty eight pounds. That's kind of what the number I'm looking at him right now, six five two. I thought this guy was a good blocker. I really really

do I think that he catches the ball well. But the one thing about him is the way that he's able to play on his feet. I love the fact the way that he's not getting thrown around. They use him, They run behind him, they use him as a point of attack blocker. He does it in a lot of different ways, movement motion. He's an athlete. As a route runner, he can get up the field. He doesn't label labor at all. He's smooth. I like him kind of as a guy that can do a lot of different things

for you. They run the ball behind him, you know, a lot of times he's kind of athlete. Guys they go opposite, go away from him. Not this kid at all. Him and the him and the Alabama kid. Latta, yeah, latt I. You know you need to check why he wears that big old knee brace on the left knee. But I'll tell you there's another one of those guys I kind of liked. If you're looking from those down the line guys, you like both those he did at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, you know, yeah, Kim lat To.

When Brashon was in trouble, he looked for Jamir Gibbs. If Jamir Gibbs wasn't out there. He was looking for cam Law too. I mean that's how you know that offense worked at Tuscaloosa. But yeah, I mean you could. You don't have to stop there. I mean Tucker Craft from South Dakota's no questions being slept on. I mean he is to me, and he came in right at number fifty. You know he's a mid second round guy. Davis Allen from Clemson, there's a lot like about him.

Breton Strange from Penn State, Braden Willis from Oklahoma is a good player. So yeah, this tight end class, it's it's gonna be hard to pass on one of those four guys we talked about in that late first round, but if you do, there will be several other guys that you like in the second, third, fourth round. Lots of tight ends to keep an eye on, lots of prospects to keep an eye on. And if you want to keep an eye on all those guys, tune into the Athletic with Dame Brugler and company. He does great

work over there. And this won't be the last time we'll see Dane on the Draft show this year, but we appreciate him filling in for Ayisha and Bobby who will hopefully be back tomorrow, but for Brian brought us Dame Burglar, Chris Beam in the back, Um Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the draft show. We'll see tomorrow eleven am Central Time here from the Star in Frisco. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.