Draft Show: Talking Trades

by Brian. It's about the only consistent thing. Kyle Yeomans is out again. He got stranded in Cancoon, poor guy, and to get hill in. That's what you get for taking vacations during the draft. I've never felt guiltier in my life than when I try I had to have time to myself when I worked with you. Good for you, Kyle. Don't listen to this old, crusty No. We're just we're fighting for our damn lives here right now. But don't

worry about that. The smarmy voice that you heard just now was Bobby belt Hi with Jeffrey Kavanaugh departing and Kyle on an extended vac. Bobby's here, Bobby, You're going to be with us, not just today and not just Tuesday, but for all three days the NFL Draft. Here to make your life hell. What I'm here for days? Is

it my life that's hell? Or when you found out that you had to get deep into yeah out to get day three, it was like, Okay, get started spend all spring thinking you didn't really need to be that in tune with it. No, no, no, just need to follow like a whore. Who are the visits that look like their Day three guys? And then he's sitting here, go a crap. Okay, I actually got to know who you know. That's a lot of fun. The seventh round punter from Nevadas or whatever. I would never ask you

to watch a punter fifth round, fifth round? Get ready for that? Yeah, fifth round kicker. We're thrilled to have you. Um yeah, I'm looking forward I am too, I am too. I think the thing I think that the thing I'm looking forward to is like the coverage is always what it is, and I think it's outstanding in the the opportunities that we get on this platform. You know, our partnership, like say myself one oh five three, and with the Dallas Cowboys, I think is when we do this, I

think we do this the absolute right way. And you know, to be in the building to have the actual draft going on just up the hall from you, you know, there's always that buzz, that excitement, and I think this is a draft. I'm not going to say it's chaos, but with teams with multiple first round picks, teams may be interested in getting out of those multiple picks. You know, there may be some teams that think about going up there. Maybe some teams like man I, you know, maybe the

price of poker. I know Bobby's been on with us as our insider at one oh five three, talking about what's the price. Is the price steep? You know, if the price isn't steep, maybe you will see some team be aggressively try and go get some of these players and kind of take this draft in another direction. That is one hundred percent what I want to talk about. This is gonna be like our last normal formatted draft show, because we're gonna do We're gonna do a mock draft

on Tuesday. We're gonna take you through all the Cowboys picks. But today and there's no there's no real way to do it because it's completely unpredictable, as it always but I want to try to get our hands around the type of chaos that we might expect a week from tonight. And I'll just add in, of course, we don't know what's going to happen, but Deebo Samuel decided to throw his hat in the ring and request a trade yesterday, and so do I think that'll happen between now and

the end of the first round. Not really, but with what we've seen this offseason, I think you at least have to prepare for that being part of the narrative, right, I mean, this has been the most wild offseason in terms of just moving players. And it's stunning the way the NFL has changed, and that like players are genuinely able to in a way that they never could before.

It kind of like dictate the terms of like I want to get out of here, like like it's becoming much more like the NBA and sort of just being able to dictate where you want to go. I mean, Tyreek Hilforns, it's not just getting out of there, but getting to choose where he went. And so I mean, maybe eventually Debo gets his way. I think it's hard to imagine that it gets done here in the next week before anything, you know, goes down with the draft. But there was a wrench into a lot of plans

I think. But I mean, that'd be great you get Debo moved for a receiver, might change things up, make some guys faul to you. You know what we were kind of going through And the NFL dot Com had this where they listed like ten teams that could use debos. Now everybody can use debo, Sam say, it should be

thirty two. But the teams it might go, it might trade. Okay, just looking at the draft the perspective of the draft, the first wide receiver of the week tend to take off the board is with the Jets at ten, right, Yes, okay, see there you go. I mean maybe maybe Atlanta at eight, depending on they need everything land at eight. There you go. But but it seemed like that every mock draft had a wide receiver at ten going to the Jets. Yes, that seemed to be the common London has been penciled

into that ten. Every every the first wide receiver every time has been at that spot, generally with the Jets. You know, so maybe the Jets the team you know Robert Salo, the head coach of the Jets, former forty nine er defensive coordinator. You know, you have a general manager there that that has a couple of first round picks. He needs to make a splash. They need to start finding ways to win games. The Jets, they need to

help their quarterback. Does Deebo Samuel help their quarterback more than say, you know, it's like Wilson getting drafted at ten or something like that. That's the determination that some of these teams need to make, and I think that's why there's actually going to be a market if if San Francisco and talking to their guys yesterday, they were kind of taking everything in about this whole thing, you know,

with with Deebo. So to me, you know, if you're the Jets, if you're the forty nine ers, maybe that's where this thing starts. You know, maybe it's like, you know, hey, the head coach has familiarity with the player. There's a desperate general manager to keep his job. You know, you make a big swing like this to go get a you know, that type of a player. It's much better to have that guy than to have a guy that kind of is a little bit of the unknown right now.

If Davante Adams goes for like a pick in the twenties though, and then gets a big deal, does Devo pull in pick ten? I think that I think you gotta look at the team. I think you got to look at the team. And I mean, Salez got the San Francisco connection, and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying to me, To me, there there are things that can kind of with teams with multiple picks can play in this game. Philadelphia can play in this

game if they want to. You know, just look at the teams with the multiple picks and look at you know, look at the weapons that they might need. Is taking one of these wide receivers, you know, taking you know, my board, taking Jamison Williams, you know, at ten better than trading for Deebo Samuel. I mean, yeah, you have to pay Deebo Samuel and all that, but you know that's you've also got a young quarterback that is struggling his ass off right now. I think you could get

picked ten for Debo. It might be all you get, you know, like the Packers got back a one and a two. I think if the Jets are willing to give up ten, that might be the only thing they're willing to give up. But he just turned twenty six. Jets got multiple second round picks two and they they've got Seattle's pick. I believe at thirty eight they have. Yeah,

is Debo the like? But if you're looking at if you're trying to be like we talk about, you know, being Dak friendly here right, like, like, is that the most as big as stud as he is? Is that the most friendly type of player that you can get for Zach Wilson because that you get creative with Deebo Samuel.

But it's it's not necessarily like like do you need just a crisp rout runner Like I feel like if you're going to go out and make that move for Davanta Adams or something like that, who's such a clean route runner and gives you the open windows and everything else like that, that's not really Debo. Debo's a weapon and you get and you got to get creative and ways to get him the ball. I just don't know that that's the friendliest receiver that you be willing to

sacrifice pick ten. Yeah, I know, I mean, you're you're absolutely right about the you know, the thought about him maybe not being the cleanest of the wide receivers. But you if you talk to most defensive coordinators around the league, I guarantee you they would say that he's a pain in the ass to have. Yeah, you know, and that's

the Jets. You're looking for weapons. You know you've got again, you've got multiple picks, you know in the second round if you want to address the wide receiver position again, you know, at thirty five, thirty eight or whenever. You know those picks are you know? To me, I'm I'm about if I'm the general manager at the Jets, I am trying to help my quarterback because I'm going to lose my job if that guy doesn't succeed. What costs you more or do you think it's a similar price

if you wanted to go get a J. Brown? Oh God? Or is AJ Brown more like pick thirty five? If you're the Jets a J. Brown? I've Aj is not Debo. Debo is a better player and history too, like he's missed Like sure he has been in and out of the line. But if you can get AJ Brown for a second and change. Is that better than Debo for pick ten? Yes? I think so there you go because A J. Brown's unhappy too, which and that's that's I wonder. I wonder how likely it is that this comes to fruition.

And again it's draft week, Like you know, Brian, you know how this goes, Like all these teams and people are so curious about the Cowboys Debo like to tweet about playing for Dallas. The Cowboys are sitting up there like we'll just find the next like the Debo was the second round pick. We'll just go draft him and not have to pay him any money. One thing you have to know about the Dallas Cowboys is they have a history under Jerry Jones of going to get receivers.

They do have a history that the Capital, whether you're like it or not. I mean, we were idiots for what we did for for Joey Galloway. Idiot move for there, that was terrible move. You know, you gotta look at what they did for Roy Williams up from Detroit. You know, look what they did for Amari Cooper. Look what they did for Dez Look what they did they used to pick on CD high capital there, so I mean they

definitely will go do it. Yeah, other than Deebo, I also just sort of I'm curious about the possibility for movement in this draft again. Yeah, you talk about teams with multiple picks, and we've also talked about and Bobby you can speak to this. Maybe the price isn't as high as it normally would be. You see teams like the Saints have moved up higher into the middle of the draft. People wonder what they're doing. Maybe they're going to move again. I do too, and I do you

think it'll be easier to do that? And do you think we'll see more movement because maybe the price isn't his une So that's the problem, is that right now it's like everything I've heard from people, and Peter King kind of wrote about this the other day, it's so much more of a buyer's market than I feel like

it has been a years past. There's everybody wants to go back, and like Stephen the other day on the station was talking about how you know this is such a deep draft and that seems to be a lot of the chatters that, man, you might be able to find somebody in the sixth round who you have a third round grade on, or you know, you're going to find a lot more draftable players in the seventh potentially

than you had. And so this thing goes deep because of the COVID year and all the guys that would turn back exactly, and so because of that, there's a lot of people that would like to move back, pick up capital. So if you're a team like Dallas for instance, because you know, we're cowboys here, like, I mean, just narrow it down to them. You know, if you're a team like Dallas and you can get up you know too,

this is steep. But I mean if you get up to six, Carolina, who doesn't have a single pick after six until what is it one thirty seven? Yeah, that's their next pay. I'll keep bringing up six. I'm just saying talking about if you go up six. If you go up to six, let's say you give up two, you give up your twenty four year two and you're four. Typically I don't think that would get it done. But this is a draft. This is a draft similar where

I think you could that would be wild. It would And then and then even if you don't have the second pick, if you go up to six. You ensure you get one of these offensive linemen, Cross, Neil, whoever, and then you think the receiver class goes deep, which it does. Stephen said that you get a receiver in the third round, you've I think I'd take I think you're ross and whoever you get the third man. I tell you what I think you open yourself up to.

And people aren't gonna like to hear this, but they it might be the best player on a lot of people's board. It might be opening you up to maybe getting Sauce Gardner. It's at six. I love him. See that's what I'm saying. I mean, I know there's people, there's people that are pulling their hair out right now and saying, well, damn it, Brian, they can't block. You know, why are we doing this? Why not go get the tackle? But I think it's six. You're opening yourself up to

that tackle. You might be opening yourself up to the best defensive end in the draft too. With Thibodeaux. You might you might really be all that. You might be exciting to me. You might be looking looking at the tackle, the defensive end, and the corner all there. If you want to go that route. But but for a team that wants I think, you know, from everybody we've talked to, a team that wants to get tougher, a team that wants, you know, to bring in a group of young leaders,

stronger leadership. Do you want to take the guy that potentially has macharity questions? Is that something you want to risk? Which one? No way, Thibodeau. You know, I think that I think the maturity questions with him and people I'm talking about, it's more about him in the brand. He's emotional.

He's emotional too. I brought that up yesterday with you guys, is that there were at least two, I think three instances when you talk to people over at Oregon, there were two or three instances this season where he said, well, I'm opting out. Yeah, he gets hurt, he said, I'm opting out. He gets emotional about it. They lose to Stanford,

I'm opting out. But like like that's he gets very emotional and reactive, and I think coupled with the brand, it just it makes him a little bit more of I think a question in terms of a culture fit than Trey von Walker, Aidan Hutchinson. And that's why I see people think talking about them above them. So with the discussions or things that you're you're selling to me, you would lean if you're going for six, you're going for the tackle. Yeah, I'd got Neil Cross, whoever's the

top offensive him in there, answer me this. And I get that drafts are about way more than right now. And I understand you know, ideally Cross or Equanta would

be starting for you for a decade. But that deal, the one that you just described, you get six, and you lose fifty six, and you lose one twenty nine, Right, so you've got six and eighty eight and that pitch, you got all those fives that you could parlay into maybe getting back in the third if you want to do something like all right, or maybe you can parlay a fifth for us for a veteran. Because that's what I was about to say. That doesn't address this issue

at guard. That doesn't I was homemaking a lot better about that. You don't think you could just slide somebody into play guard for a year. I think you could. I don't know how it's gonna look. I mean, we've already I don't think you have to go up to six to get Trevor Penning, for instance. Oh, you're talking about playing the tackle. I'm talking about playing the tackle at guard for a year. They did it with Lyle. They didn't plan to do with Lyle, but they did

it with Lyle. See to me, if I'm going to get I'm going to get Cross. So I'm but they might get Penning. They might like Penning just as much and play him at guard and then you know, and then you know, kick him out to make him play left tackle when Tyron Smith gets uh, you know, gets stinged up. And I think that's honestly and we're talking about trading up, but I think that's honestly the way here.

So much buzz about twenty four with Kenyon Green. Yeah, it is because they clearly love being able to have contingencies in place. Period. So if they can draft a player who is a built in contingency for well, look we can draft him, we can play him at left guard and then next year, if Tyron's not here, which I mean Tyrann's getting what this is year eleven twelve coming up? Oh gosh, how so when you look at that and say, okay, well, if Tyron's not here, after

next year. If the tackle class is good, great, we can draft a tackle keep Green there. But if we have the flexibility to go, this is a great guard class, and we're looking at a great guard here at our pick in twenty twenty three. Well, Kenyan Green. Look, we just saw him, you know, pretty much Stonewall will Anderson who's going to be a top five pick next year from Alabama and played left tackle really well and has shown the willingness to it. I think that's one of

the reasons for the intrigue with Green. See it's funny my Gang of seven and like four of my guys have gotten back to me. Every one of those guys have liked Zion Johnson better than Green. It's up here with him. They love it, They love the mental they love them. We had Jim Naggy on from the Senior Bowl Yester on our on our show on one n five three of the Fan, and that was Jim was talking and he goes, listen, I understand bias. I had

the guy here. But the fact that they they've talked about playment center even and how smart he is and stuff like that. There's a lot of talk about him here. I mean, there's a lot doesn't sound like people think. It's just I had I had four guys extra, four guys that got back to me yesterday. Three of them had Zion Johnson. I said, who's better? Who do you like better? Three took Johnson, one took Green, and that and that you know they they they were talking about

Green's toughness. But but every one of these guys now are talking about every one of them now are talking about the smarts. When you get with Zion Johnson, do you feel any what's what's our read on a trade back? I feel like we haven't. I'm wearing my Captain trade down show. You are again. It's a it's a buyer's market. So I think it's tough because I don't know that you got a lot of people that want to come up right now. That's the problem, and who maybe form

in the last quarterback. If you look at some of the people, like the obvious tradeback scenarios, you're looking at who immediately behind you've got like Green Bay, who's picking twice in the first round already, Kansas City who's picking twice in the first round, Detroit picking twice in the first round, and then early in the second these teams in the early second round, Jets, Giants, they've already got there multiple I don't know that they feel they'll need

to move up to get anybody because they've got so much capital in the top fifty. The thing you have to worry about moving back, or if you want to move back, is you mentioned green Bay Kansas City maybe two teams that are hunting a wide receiver. You know what I'm saying. I mean, green Bay is a team that traditionally it's not in their DNA to take a wide receiver. But you know, we've seen some more eventually

have too. Yeah, we've seen some mock drafts where you know, with lantzer Line, who I have a lot of respect for lantzer Line, he had Kansas City trading with Arizona to go ahead at Dallas in case Christal Lobby was there. The fact that they know that Dallas had had Chris o' lobby in the building. Say Burks is gone and maybe Dallas has lost one of those offensive guards along the way, then maybe it's like, well, wait, Crystal Lobby, they've got

Kansas City jump and ahead of Dallas. That's that would be That would be something you absolutely have to be worried about one of those teams coming. I think Kansas City is the most aggressive team coming from the back of the board that you have to worry about if you get jumped and you lose some of these people

Johnson Green guys like that. The receivers aren't there Has there been enough discussion either about a trade back option or as a wipeout scenario at twenty four the fact that a guy that they brought in here, Bernard Raymond, Yeah, at Central, do we even though that might feel a little rich to some people, I don't think Bernard Raymon's getting to fifty six for you. No, he's not. And so that's got to be either a trade back candidate or somebody that they at least are His reaction just

told you the story. Maybe every Cowboy fan, Well, is it it's a tackle? And is it really? It's the guy who wasn't a tackle three years it's fifth tackle, really impressive, man like, he moves really well and he just started playing tall two years ago. Yeah, I get it it just from what I've heard, and sounds like a project done it from what I've heard and from what I know, that sounds awfully rich And that's not me,

that's me telling you what I think they think. But see, that's what happens to you when you're at the bottom of the board. You're not going to get these guys coming back on the fifty six, right, So you know you almost have to when you get down to the bottom, you almost have to draft a round early because you're not going to get these guys. But see, and we've talked about this before and that like that's a nice

way of saying window dressing your board. Yeah, that's a nice way of saying, like, well, if we can't get this guy next round, so let's draft him way sooner than we're supposed to. Well, but that's almost something you have to think about. I know too, because you're thinking, Okay, what's the player that's going to be there at fifty six? What if what if you got you'd have to go back a little. I'm just looking at the board here,

the points pretty much match up twenty four Houston. If Houston wanted to come up and get somebody from thirty seven and then they gave you they've got two third rounders, they gave you eighty, So thirty seven and eighty and then maybe that's where you look at aim and then if you get wiped out. Okay, let me ask David this question, because he's with the dot Com. Dave's face says, no, no, I'm just that doesn't sound like enough. But again, it's

not a it's a well at market. Like you look at the trade chart here at five thirty on Houston one ninety. That gets you real quick before you ask me this. I would rather drop down. And obviously you gotta somebody's got to be willing to do it. But I would rather drop down to like thirty or thirty one. And even if all I add is like a fourth round pick, I would be I'd rather do they trying to hold your option. Yeah, yeah, see that's what's what's

Cincinnati coming up for that? No? I know in Kansas Like, that's a problem your team. Kansas City's your team. Kansas City's your team if you want it to me, Kansas sees your team if you want to trade because they picked up draft capital in the in the deal for their wide receiver. Yeah, give me in Miami draft capital to boot. If Kansas City was willing to give me one thirty five to drop down to pick thirty, I would do it. It doesn't sound like a whole lot

of companies were trade away from that. This is in a scenario where you kind of get wiped out, like your two guards are gone, And maybe you don't like the receivers as much as we think they do, Like I don't. Maybe they would in the right circumstance. I don't get the impression that they would like run to turn their card in for Burkes at twenty four. I don't. I don't know if they were. I don't think they'd run, but I think they'd be satisfied if the board looked

a certain way. Yeah, if if if that was their best option, they might do. I think they'd feel comfortable enough if if there are a certain players, like I think the lean right here obviously offensive line like Jerry has told you that specifically. Yeah, I think that if they get wiped out on certain offensive lineman and he's I think they would feel comfortable turn it out. Like you said, I don't know if they're running it up there, but I think they'd feel good about it if the

guards were gone. Do you think they would trade away from him if somebody made an off and I know we don't know if there would be enough. I mean depends on how the board stat because I mean I think they do like some other players that don't necessarily fit in it, like like corner right, like like, I think they like some of the corners that could potentially be there. So do they look at it and say, well,

we've got Burks here and some of the corners? Do they get in a scenario like they did when they traded out of ten and they said, all right, well Slater or Parsons will be there and we like both of them. Yeah, so we'll get one of them. So do they look at it and go, Burkes and a couple other guys we like, we know somebody will be there, then sure, let's go do it. I'm not sure going all the way to thirty seven just to pick up

eighty is the right play. It doesn't sound like enough match match, but it just right now such a far drop and got a lot of return. That's but I'm saying. I'm Try'm just saying who who were falling for? That's what I'm saying. If you get wiped out and you go we need alignman, you and you feel better about picking Raim and that might be the best deal they can get. By the way, Oh, I know, because they happened with Travis Frederick. They were there, they were sitting

there with at eighteen and bailed all the way. They only got a third for dropping thirteen spots in the first round, which it's thirteen spots. Yeah, I like, I get that the math works out. That doesn't seem to get it. I get it, Bobby. It just sounds like a free fall. And and that is a far enough drop that you But if you're dead set on you need alignment and you get wife yourself out of like the next round of guys you like by dropping back.

But if you're if you're dead set on a lineman right like you just like, we gotta fix this offensive line. Do you feel better about just taking Raymond at twenty four? We're saying, let's move back to thirty seven and get Raymond and pick up a third. Yeah, I hear you, I hear you. I just don't like it. I get the logic. Did you have anything else? Or should I go to break? Go to break? All right, we'll be right back. We got your questions coming up in the

second segment. Stick with us. This is Chad Hennings, former Cowboy and proud veteran of the United States Air Force. When my fellow military veterans choose the A, they receive life changing benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are a veteran, you may be eligible for healthcare, education and training benefits, a homelan guarantee, housing assistance, and more. Choose VA for the benefits you've earned. Visit Choose dot Va dot gov to learn more. That's Choose dot Va

dot gov. What do you call a group of grown men and women with their faces painted silver and blue who gets together every week to share a three hour long chool of jumping, sinking, and toasting Miller Lite and Tim Gallant hats while yelling how about them Cowboys? You call it Miller Time in Dallas. Here's to the Cowboys, Here's to the original light beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate

Responsibly twenty twenty one Miller Brewing Company for Orts Texas. Hey, Cowboys fans, if you're thinking about attending a game this season, visit Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package Today, stay at the Team Hotel, have dinner with a Cowboys legend, and experience at and T Stadium's exclusive VIP Owners Club. Also tour the Star, get autographs from your favorite players,

and talk x's and o's with me. Mickey Spagnola, the official travel partner of the Dallas Cowboys, will take care of all your travel needs. Visit Cowboys Travel dot com. If you've been thinking about weight loss surgery, my Bariatric Solutions has made it easier for you to schedule your initial consultation from the safety, comfort and convenience of your own home. You'll meet one on one with the bariatric

surgeon over a private and secure video call. You'll learn everything you need to know about the options available and which procedure is best for you. If you've been considering witnesss surgery and are ready to take the first step, call my Beriatric Solutions today at eight four four three two six six two six six. That's eight four four three two six six two six six, or go to my Beriatric Solutions dot com. Is the Dallas Cowboys dot

Com Draft Show. Welcome Back to the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It's also presented by Liberty Tax Yeah Tax Seasons officially over by Liberty Tax as services to offer you all year round. To learn more about their grade services, visit Liberty tax dot com slash Radio. We are here in the second segment as always, that is when we take your questions. keV is on the board today, keV, can you hit me that one right there? Kevin's already wait

ahead of the game. Yeah, it's sure. By the way, your Liberty tax last week is what reminded me. I haven't done my taxes yet. You've done them now right? I did them. When I heard you read, I'd immediately opened my laptop. Please are your taxes everyone? It's very I'm not gonna say it's easy, but you just you need to do it. Yeah, let's all stay in the I R s as good grace as Jake wants to know.

If there is a linebacker that you love in this draft, we'll keep it like top one hundred type of players. Could any of those any of those rounds, first three rounds a linebacker that you think specifically would pair really well with Michael Parsons, the kid from the kid from Utah, would Lloyd Because because you're talking about a guy that's you're talking about a guy that's long range, makes plays, finisher, rushed the passer, you know, all the things about him

that you would love. In Michael Parsons you would love. And Devin Lloyd. Yeah, I mean, I like Christian Harris. He's somebody that, yeah, from Alabama, and that's not somebody you'd have to go get in the first stround. I don't think. No. I mean, does he get all the way to get fifty six? Maybe not? Yeah, he does not. Really, he doesn't get lumped in like when you're talking about obviously Lloyd and Dean, but like the other Georgia kids, like, he doesn't ever get lumped into that group. No, Quay

Walker is another one I would look at too. I mean you're talking about again, a guy that's six four two one pounds. All those Georgia players you mentioned them, they all run. It's it's a fight to see who gets to the ball first, you know, with that cruise. So yeah, I think this is actually a pretty good you know, when you look at the depth of the

linebacker spot. There's obviously some problems you know, with with Dean as far as the length and things like that, but I mean, I mean he makes just every single tackle. So I don't know how you these some of these there used to be a time twenty years ago doing this that it's too short, he's to this to that, you know, Dallas, Dallas is actually a really good history playing with smaller linebackers. Maybe that win Dexter Cokeley. I mean,

there's some guys. Bill Parcels came in here and was like he was adamant that they had to get rid of Dat Wynn and Dexter Cokeley, and by the time he saw them play, he was like, WHOA, I was wrong about those two. You know, there there is a

history here for that, for these linebackers. And I think that the one that makes a lot of sense for me is if you wanted to again a wipe out situation, whatever, if you took Lloyd, I'd have absolutely no problem with that because I know we can rush the passer and I know he could finish this a tackler can he.

I don't want to compare him to the guy that just won Rookie of the Year, And there's a lot of there's a lot there's a lot of scouts around the league that have mentioned him, like who would be the next guy that could be the next Micah Parsons type players. Do you think that's fair? Like he just doesn't. He doesn't seem like he has the same freaky athleticis. I'll tell you what, you give Dan Quinn a lot of credit for playing Micah Parsons at defensive end because

we would have never saw that. We never talked about, you know, maybe Jedil A lot of us didn't love the pick. Yeah, I mean Jeff and well you see some you know he could rush the pass and a lot and you know, you talk to people. I asked George Edwards, a linebackers coach, about this after the season.

I said, George, you know, tell me about the whole thing with Mike and he goes, no, we had an idea that he could rush the pastor there's no way you had that kind of an idea And he goes, no, there's things that you can when you watch him play that you felt like that he could rush the passer. Half his sacks were at the linebacker spot though too. Yep, it wasn't like it was all at defensive end. But I just kind of feel like that there is a good crew of linebackers that you guys have been talking

about here really all draft seasons. So you and Bobby you answer this too, But like a linebacker at twenty four? I don't want to call it a waste, but it doesn't seem necessary to me. No, And I like Nacobe Dean's a fun player, could be the best player on their board. Would I like to have Nakobe Dean here? Sure? Like like in a vacuum? Do I want to necessarily use twenty four? And Nacoby Dean not necessarily like? Like?

And it's such a cheat answer? When did that? The linebacker I want to pair with him is Jabril Cox? That's the linebacker? W And I answered, I mean like he's gonna he'll come back. And he flashed a little bit, made some good plays before he got hurt. They they liked him enough that they were like, Okay, let's go ahead, let's move on from Jalen Smith. Let's not risk injury and contract guarantee, let's get this going. And so when did that change for everybody that you don't think you

need a linebacker? Oh? That we didn't. We don't like Nakobe Deane anymore. No, I think I think everybody likes Nacode every every year I fall in love with a player that I know they won't draft. It was Buddha Baker one year. Yeah, it's it's I love Nakobe Deane. I just don't think they would draft him. No. See, that's the thing about it is so every mock draft.

It was one of those things. It's so funny with the whole thing with and again we had Jim Naggy and I asked about the Walker, you know, defensive end from Georgia. He says, just the media scouts relayed on that. The media scouts were laid on Walker, and I'm like, man, I don't know, but you know, thirteenth I remember we talked about that. Sure that everybody would ever I'd ask anybody around the NFL about him, their words wouldn't come out,

and we'd ask about Traymon Walker. Their sponse always begin with yeah, just like whoa Like when that sounds like, okay, that's so the scout the scouts were the media scouts relate to the game on that one. Then, I think because he was always being mocked to the Cowboys at twenty, I think there's a little surge, to be honest, like like up near the top but I think he was always a top ten guy. Yeah, another a name that we we've talked about him, but he kind of gets

lost in the shuffle. Aaron wants us to talk about Roger McCreary, the Auburn corner. Um does he fit here? And also where do you where? Where would you guess he gets drafted? I have him in the second round, Bobby, if you want to talk about him at all, I mean, I mean, I can, I can sure jump in his I've heard him talked about as a fringe first rounder. Yeah, yeah, and sixty guys have been talked about it. And he's a five eleven one pound guy. He's got those t

Rex arms. Yeah, and you can you can ye not happening here, yeah, okay, But to know the thing about him is though he you do and okay, we say this about McDuffie though too. We say the same thing about McDuff but we praised McDuffie from Washington. Duffe's longer than that. Well, but I'm just saying, but not that's him saying. I think McDuffie doesn't get beat on contested

catches like McCreery does. I think you routinely have seen on tape, well, not routinely, but I think there are nothing instance is on tape of people mossing Roger McCreery that I would be concerned about him. Man. You know what, I was kind of watching him and I watched the Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky and LSU games on him, and I didn't kind of feel like I thought he was a really good red zone player. I didn't feel like that he was. I didn't feel like that it was one of those

things that he was going to have problems. Well, you know, he's the best red zone receiver in the corner in the NFL is Denzel Award, and that's a five nine corner. Yeah, and so I mean a lot of you can do it. Yeah. I kind of felt like that, But you're right. We haven't talked very much about him. I think he's I think he's a really good player, Mussel, he just he falls. He's one of those names that seems to fall into the range of like twenty four seems too soon and

he'll be gone by fifty six. Ye. So I've got him. It's not like I don't care. Just seem like a lot of my one hundred ninety players i've done. I have him as number forty eight on my board. Okay, Patrick, Patrick wants to know if you would be interested in signing Julio Jones if the receiver cards don't fall the way you want them to in this draft. I forget that he's still out there, to be honest, No, No, I mean that's a guy who has had a drop off.

I mean, look, they just purged a Alabama receiver that they were trying to get ahead of a fall like this is that like he's clearly starting to fall. He's never been the red zone target that I think you'd want him to be. And I mean not that he wasn't the best receiver in the game one point. He absolutely was, But this is a guy who deals with injuries and is not nearly the same player he was

even three years ago. I might be wrong about this, but if the Cowboys make us signing after the draft and they don't get the guard they want, I could see them and maybe I'll be way wrong about this. I don't think he's signed with him, but Eric Flower, that's the name he's sitting there. Yeah, I think that's a name I think they do have in their Hopper. Yep, I think that is that, And there's at least a couple tackles out there that I think could be had.

Everyone of those eight hundred thousand ye the chase traders and guys like that or all that sound like those guys are building special broken down guys. They used to do that. That that used to be their thing. With safety. Yeah, I mean a lot of those safeties used to sit there until like June or two. I mean they've they've done it routinely with the offensive line. They did it with Byron Bell, they did it with Inseci, They've done this spyro Bell. Forgot about that name. Haven't heard that

in a while. I'll tell you what the one hope did I have is for Fowler is because of dan Quinn. I mean, you know, last year, at this time we're talking draft, we have no idea that dan Quinn can wave a magic want and get guys to play better than they are. You brought that up on Tuesday and we were we were talking about Mica on our podcast Cowboys Break yesterday, and I was like, if I had known how, if I had felt absolute confidence in dan Quinn that I do right now, I would have felt

so much better about that picks on draft night. See that's what Mike, Guys not convinced. Every coach that's ever been here would have gotten that out. If you drafted defensive player here, you feel like he's going to be used the right way. You know, you feel like if they bring somebody in on the defensive side of the ball, they're going to be used the right way. You know

that that that now is no longer. The questions are about when you talk about drafting Burkes, the wide receiver from Arkansas, is is he going to be used the right way? Is any of these guys going to be used the right way? Because like the same we've got questions about Ceedee Lamb right now? Is Ceedee Lamb at his absolute best? Uh? You know level layer. I don't think I have questions, you know, CD, I just he can take his game another step. I don't have questions.

But that's but it's a question you you would you would you thought when you when I think it's closer to his ceiling than they initially thought. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that on the radio recently. I've talked about that a lot. People keep screaming at me Christopher wants to know, Robin, he didn't say, what's what's that the hundred acre would, but the hundred acre would where they hang out. Yeah, okay, Uh. Christopher wants to know if

it's if you shut up, everybody shut up. If it's guard receiver, let's you know in this in this magical world, guard receiver. It can be any order you want. It can be guard first, receiver second, it can be receiver first, guard second, which combo of those two players drafted twenty fourth and fifty sixth would make you the happiest. I like this question a lot, Christopher man um so see because I really love and be realistic about it. No,

we are um because it's tough. I would say Jamison Williams, but I don't know if that's realistic. Probably just because the drop off on the interior is pretty strong after you get past Green and Johnson. I feel like whereas receiver doesn't draw. I love Treylan Burkes at Arkansas. Yeah, I think you'd be a stud here, but the drop off is so steep that I'd probably prefer Green and then give me at fifty six j Jaylen Tolbert, Alabama. Yeah, I was thinking I was kind of looking at just

off my stack, how I think it might go. I think that to me, it would probably be green and Christian Watson from North Dakota State say more stuff like that. Yeah, and I think that that would be a d I think Watson has I think it'd be tough to get him to fifty six. I mean, I've got him as my fifty third best player on my board. I was just taking my stack. I was just just you know what I mean, not to the point I'm as like I say, I've got him as my fifty I've got

guys ahead of him. See, I've got like sky More ahead of him at forty three. And so I don't think I'm gonna have a shot at sky More. I'll give you another guy I think I might have a shot at. And you tell me if you want to deal with John Mitchie and the injury, and I was about to bring him up, why I don't want to do. I don't want to deal with a guy who's not going to be like in Acs. I know I'm not talking about two of those guys. Now. Britt Brown's gonna be up to his rear. I don't have him and

he's gonna have him ready. Met She's a good player. I don't like Metchi enough to deal with the starting receiving cord the first three weeks of the season is CD James Washington and Noah Brown. I don't like him enough to sacrifice those first few weeks. He's okay, but it's it's not. It's not You're not two weeks vers not like Jamison's different. Jamieson's different. Jamison, I'll make that sacrifice. I'm not gonna do it for Metchi. See and if you want, if you want to give me Burke's in

the first round. Since I said the guard drop off is significant, I would love I would personally be okay with Sean Ryan. The UCLA players fifty six, I don't. I know a lot of other people view him were like a third. I think when you watch it and it was at tackle, I think when you watch him go up against Cavon Thibodeaux, Thibodeau wasn't getting anything against Ryan and they had to flip him to the other

side to get that production against UCLA. Okay, what if you went Jamieson Williams and then you went und if James guard, Jamisonnard get that. I don't know that Canard gets up far. I mean, okay, I don't think Williams get that far. Well, No, Canard, I got it forty six. Yeah, I'm trying to get it's somewhere right around fifty six. And I know that to forty six is not fifty six, but I'm trying to look at my board. Okay, how about how about Sailor from Georgia? Sure, Jamison, Yeah at

fifty six. Yeah, if you give me Jamison Williams, that might be a little rich. I got him in fifty nine. I got I got Sailor, the I got Sailor, the guard. I don't care Williamson Sailor or or the other way around. What we were talking about, what we were talking about Green and I think you I was, I was gonna say Green and Pickens or I like Watson too. I like Watson too. But what you just said, See, I mean I can get James. I can't. I can't get Picking.

I can't get Pickens to me. I don't think I don't. I think it's more realistic. You get Pickings at fifty six and Jamison Williams a twenty four. Yeah, we'll see though. I don't know. Does Watson Ken Watson, does he have inside outside flex? I don't know if he did that. I got pickings at twenty eight on my board. That's why I didn't even consider him. Well, that's the beauty of this more so than any other year. I think nobody agrees on any of this crap. No, No, I

heard you mentioned their line earlier. He did a podcast with Dane the other day where he was saying, I think Pickens could slide a lot further in the second than a lot of people think. If that's the case, let's go. I mean, I mean, is it because the injury history or something like injury history not as much production as you would prefer. That's that's a really good player.

You watch him play against those top corners we're talking about McCrary, we're talking watch him play against Stingley, you know, like two years ago. He's lighting up these corners we're all talking about in the first and second round. And that's that's why on the flip side with the guards, that's why I like Ryan so much. Just you watch

what he was r Ryan. Competition. Ryan's not a bad competition. Yeah, Ryan's not a bad not a bad talk about it at all real quickly from Matt before we go to break, pinky toe. Bet you know what that means. It sounds like a or old buddy pinky toe. Bet? What's the pick at twenty four? Don't him and had don't give me a bunch of crap? Kenyon Green Green, Kenyon Green Green.

I think, yeah, if unless there's a slider that we're not thinking about, you can't predict it to a certain But like if mistaaten't answer Kenyngreen, if my pinky toe was on the line, that is the name that I would say. Yeah. Cool. All right, Well, we're gonna go to break. We got five more prospects to tell you about on the final edition of Tell Me More. We'll be right back after this tax season is officially over, But Liberty Tax has services to offer you all year round.

Aside from tax preparation, they also help with tax debt resolution. If you didn't file your taxes this year or haven't filed in a few years, We've got the solution to your tax problems. Liberty Tax offers guaranteed tax debt resolution services if you owe back taxes to the irs called the professionals at Liberty Tax or visit them at Liberty tax dot com slash radio. That's Liberty tax dot com slash radio. At Smootie King, we are blending goodness to

fuel your greatness. Every blind is crafted to help you achieve your health and fitness goals. Sweetie King uses only whole fruits and organic veggies. You'll never find sugary seerups or artificial flavors, colors or reservatives, and unlike some other smoothie places, there are zero grams of added sugar and many of our bloods. Smoothie King is proud to be the official smoothie of the Dallas Cowboys. Place your order in the app or online for pickup or delivery. Smoothie

King Rule the day. What do you call a group of grown men and women with their faces painted silver and blue who get together every week to share a three hour long ritual of jumping, sinking, and toasting Miller light and tim Gallant hats while yelling how about them cowboys? You call it Miller Time in Dallas. Here's to the cowboys, Here's to the original light beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate Responsibly.

Twenty twenty one, Miller Brewing Company for Orts, Texas. If you've been thinking about weight loss surgery, my Bariatric Solutions has made it easier for you to schedule your initial consultation from the safety, comfort and convenience of your own home. You'll meet one on one with a bariatric surgeon over a private and secure video call. You'll learn everything you need to know about the options available in which procedure

is best for you. If you've been considering witlass surgery and are ready to take the first step, call Myberiatric Solutions today at eight four four three two six six two six six. That's eight four four three two six six two six six, or go to Myberiatric Solutions dot com. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show tension Cowboys fans. There's a new official razor of the Dallas Cowboys Shave Logic. Shave Logic is proud to offer Cowboys

fans a special upgrade for a limited time. Visit shave logic dot com and get a free ten dollars gift card with your purchase. Go to shave logic dot com. If you were to shave your beard, would you use shave Lofe? Absolutely? I thought it would never happen, but I will. You're still selling these magic Yeah we are. Throw that up for the camera. Yeah, we're still selling those. We got some talk. You got a week left. You

can get it digitally, you can get it. You could probably get it in the mail between now and Thursday. You got Dave Hellman's mock draft in the Singer, right, Dave's Helman. Dave Helman's mock draft that he turned in on March like fifteenth. I think like the six teams have changed picks since that mock draft came out. I mean, not the greatest cell job of my life, but we got all kinds of draft analysis down all time at each position. Yeah, that's awesome. There's a lot of stuff

in there. And I wish we had put Zion on the cover because that the pick is on there. The pick is on the cover of that magazine unless it's Zion. So you're saying they're gonna take the center from Iowa. It could be Linda which Washington quarters on there. I can't see McDuffie McDuffie, Okay, Yeah, I love to always love the cover on that. Somebody somebody yelled at me today like and it's a good point like they drafted Jordan Lewis, which means maybe they would draft McDuffie. Oh,

I don't think. I don't think they differently opposed to McDuffie, though, I think it would just take the I would it would take it. I'd have to fight at the it'd have to fall at the right point. But I think I think they they're comfortable with day McDuffie uses this link. Yeah all right, I used it already. It's time for one last edition of Tell Me More. I love this. I texted Bobby and I was like, do I hear right that you're on the show. He's like, yeah, like cool,

here's five day three prospects. I need you to watch by tomorrow morning. At one forty seven, I was done with the last one. I was done at one thirty two. Yeah. I went to bed at like midnight. So good for y'all. Way to be dedicated. Let's start off, since I know Bobby likes this guy. Oh no, don't make me die on a hill. We'll start off with Isaiah Taylor. Isaiah Isaac. I thought it said Isaiah. I'm just Isaac Taylor Stewart,

the cornerback out of USC Fight on fight on. Oh so I'm scared, Like because after I watched him, this is a good player, that's okay. And I was like, I looked around. I was like, surely everybody else has it, but I was like, he's telling me more so not. And I looked at I was like, oh, Dane has him in the sixth, Zeroline has him in the sixth. I'm going to be on an island here. So when I watched him, and really great size and athleticism. He's

six one and a half two hundred one pounds. He was a four four two forty guy one four seven on the ten yards split. The shorter you quickness is really really really good. Um so, really good athlete. But I saw a guy that like I kept hearing how raw he was from people, and I thought he had pretty good natural instincts, Like he had a good feel. I thought, Um, I thought he was a lot better impressed than playing off. Yeah yeah, well they'll they'll just

just depends Washington State. He was in press exclusively and then he goes up against Notre Dame and he's off exclusively exactly. Um but even when he was playing off, I saw there was good read and react I thought he could plant and drive. I think he's really patient. I think he's disciplined, especially even as the play breaks down, when it's really tough to kind of freelance and you're you're trying to stay in somebody's hit pocket. I thought

he did a pretty good job of it. The athletic testing I think shows up, and to me, it's willing. In the run game, there's some stuff. The stuff I didn't like. There's not a lot of ball production, stays in his pedal too long. It feels like at times it tends to get off balance, and he doesn't totally seem comfortable flip in his hips and going towards the middle of the field. He grabs when people cut inside. Yeah, and that's a little lot of because he was a

six eight one three count. He doesn't seem like a stiff guy, um, but it almost seems like he doesn't trust his ability to flip and turn and get back to the middle of the field. I think Bobby's got this guy nailed. I think he did a print. I thought that was a hell of a first stating. That was I think he didn't get ready to draft this

guy in the third round. This guy. That's where I have him is the third This guy, this guy will plays your field corner though you know in the field, and I mean field corner, you have what called a boundary corner in college and then a field corner. So he takes a lot of the uh, you know, the open space and stuff that he has to do. Bobby's right about the coverage stuff. You watch him in the Notre Dame game, and there's you always see him driving

from depth. I think is something there. But he could you know, he's got the length and he's got the quickness. Uh. I think he can turn, and I think he can stay on the same you know, he could stay with when receivers try and carry him, he's with them. He's not, he's not. You don't see a lot of separation in his game. The thing that I tend to watch with the Notre Dame game that bothered me a little bit is he floats, you know, and so you wonder, okay, do you have to put your thumb on him and say,

scheme specific. You have to play here, you have to play pre So you know, sometimes you would see these corners that are like they look good, they're kind of like I'm really not sure what's going on here. Okay, I'm gonna go make a play. You know, i'd see a little floating to his game. But the length and the way, the quickness and the speed. Uh, but the tackling, I mean, you see a guy that lunges a little bit,

you know, as far as a tackle. But I'm I could see why people, I mean there's people not really Maybe he got tired doing this player, you know, like Zerline and Danning, those guys. Bobby might be right about them out I think so they kissed somebody. They might have because to me, this guy's got that ability when you talk about the length and the speed, and but I need to find out if he how well he takes coaching as far as playing these schemes. And he was.

He's a guy who um four position coaches and four years. Yeah, he didn't get a lot of stemma. Maybe that's why he floats. He's a he's an interesting guy. He's a sence to jazz music. He meditates, he's a black belt in taekwondo, like yeah, and his dad's an eighth degree. His dad teaches. Oh my god, I mean he's a renaissance bad good for him. All right, Okay, good player. That's the type of guy that we talked about, dan Quinn giveing the most out of I'd love to see

dan Quinn work with him and Joe Witt. Sometimes we do guys and I'm like, Okay, that sounds cool, and sometimes I'm like I'm in and DeMarco Jackson's definitely one of those, and I'll add him to the list too. When the name gets called, at least you'll know, well, not only will I know, I'll be excited. I'll be like, oh, that's the jazz guy. Yeah, karate jazz h Kyan Johnson. We need to talk about a Jayhawk. Cowboys aren't afraid to talk about a Jayhawk. Karen Johnson, linebacker out of Kansas.

Positives for me are all you know, the athleticism is grade. He's six, he's about six flat two thirty one, but I mean he's a four four speed guy. His verticals thirty nine and a half. He was a Dallastay participant. I heard Bones Fossil was really on top of him. Met his family. You know, they're interested in him. But he's the stuff that sticks out with me. The athleticism, the motor is always hot. He's tough because he's undersized, and he's getting bullied by guys that are eighty pounds

heavier than him. And he's still in the fourth quarter, you know, in full pursuit, and you know, never gives up on the play. While the athleticism is good, I don't know that I saw four four high four three speed always on tape, like even when he was out, you know, kind of freelancing. He had a sack against Oklahoma as a rushing linebacker at the a gap where

you really saw the burst and the clothes. But this is a guy who he's going to play linebacker at the next level, special teams player, who's going to be brought along as to learn the will at the NFL level, that's where I've heard most teams have him as at the will, but some teams still deal him as has kind of a pass rushing sam, but definitely a linebacker at the next level. Man Bobby begins on, he's got his fastball working on the black here. I mean it is when you watch him pass rush. I mean, I

don't think it's all about technique. I think it's just about his desire in his will to get past that guy. They played that you watched the Texas game, I mean they don't block him. I mean he's I mean he's dipping. You know. Again you're thinking, like, oh, well, Texas, maybe Texas has some some offensive linemen that could block well, they couldn't block him. Was virgin another. There were teams that heat that had trouble blocking this guy, and I

couldn't believe that. Sometimes they just don't block him at all, you know, and you see him, you know, you know, like but you go back and I was kind of curious, Like he was on the Senior Bowl stuff too, and there was a time where he was able to like like he's going to kids Penny and he's like underneath him walking him back to the quarterback to hear that. So you know, I'm kind of like going, man, this guy's got some toughness to him as well. So I kind of feel like the way I love the way

he attacks the ball, I love the speed. I love how he's closing, how fast he closes. Those Kansas kids, And you brought it up a lot of times they're out of games, they're out of games, and if you're still in and I remember this for Ron Leary when he was at Memphis, they were a bad team, and like they're down forty five to Mississippi State and he's still kicking that guy's ass across from him, you know. And that's the kind of thing I think you get a little bit with Johnson here that he just keeps

playing hard. Karen Johnson was at Dallas day because he is from Arlington. He went to Lamar High School, which is Vikings across the highway from AT and T could probably say we had him up there at the fan. He came in the studio. He was the most dynamic interview we had. He has a We had to dump him a couple of times. He had a little he's great. All right, we're bat in two for two here. I mean I try to I pick guys for a reason.

They should like Day three guys, but like, yeah, maybe the guy was maybe a Day two all right, we're looking for you know, if it doesn't work out with Kenyon Green or somebody else, we're looking for guard help on day three. About Andrew Stuber out of Michigan. Yeah, this is definitely a guard. He played right tackle at Michigan. But he's gonna have to be a guard in the NFL. So he only had eighteen reps at his pro day,

which for six seven three twenty three tradition. Yeah, thirty four inch arms, you know, eighteen reps of his party. But I think the tape shows he plays with more power than that. I you know, I don't think he looks weak necessarily in run blocking. Particularly his lower body I think is really powerful. Um. I think he knows how to use his size. He gets movement in the run game. The problem at tackle, I mean heavy feet, kick slide was kind of sloppy at times. I felt

like getting into his pass that's was lumbering. UM. Felt like the athletes and the technicians who rushed the pastor at the next level would would have a field day if he was out and on an island against him. So definitely a guard speeds a problem for him. But you know, let him wrestle with the big boys on the interior. I wouldn't hate it in the fifth or

sixth round. Yeah, you know, I watched him against Ohio State in Georgia, and and you know, George is always the litmus test for me, and you say, you're find a way to block. They played Georgia Aabama. That's the tape. Well, you're kind of like you watch him and Bobby's got

him again with about the foot athletes stuff. They asked him to pull though, and like some times they just straight pull and sometimes they do this weird technique at Michigan where they slide parallel to the line and then get around the corners, so he has to almost like it's like he's doing a dance move like stay in square and then you know, then getting up on the

blocker and stuff like that. I kind of thought he had adequate body control, you know, doing that and just you know in this past protection as well, you know, I mean you didn't see him, you didn't see him get fooled. There were teams trying to Georgia, was trying to do stuff to him, and you know, he was able to sort all that stuff out. So you know

that's I kind of I think that this guy. When you start talking about a guy at six seven, twenty five pounds, and you got to worry about guys not doing a lot of reps if they're really long armed and they're tall, because it's hard to drive that bar from your chest all the way to the point where everybody's going, Okay, good rep, good rep. You know like that, Hey, sometimes you could do you can cheat those reps and get a lot more. But I'll say this though, I

felt like though this guy wasn't just a bum. I mean there was you know, he's got something to his game. But again it's gonna be I mean, it's more about the power than it is anything else. How about Austin Allen the tight end. This is guy's a freak. I like Nebraska good, like the most deceiving three and nine record in college. It's a six eight tight end. I mean, this is one of the weirdest drafts. I mean weird

in a kind of like whoa kind of way. All these tight ends are damn six seven or six eight. I mean they're all huge, I mean as far as link. Yeah, and I'm watching this guy play against Ohio State Minnesota and there's I mean, here we are another one of those six seven, six eight tight ends. I was amazed how open this guy got, you know, verse tall easy as you figure, like, come on, somebody like you know he would be like, oh, cover the tall guy, you know,

but they don't. He's got to really they line him up in line, which is next to the tackle. They line him up flex they put him out why he kind of has a feel for how to kind of get lost and then being the open in the quarterback, Martiniz finds a way to get him the ball. So I was like, I think, he, you know, he's what these guys he's like when he watched he kills defenses with this delay delay delay ball, I'm out in the and then he gets the ball and goes that kind

of thing. So I mean, I saw a guy that when you watch him run block a little bit, he did manage to bend his knees, and you worry about that for a really really tall guy. So like that, I think that the you know, when you start talking about the length is a weapon in the red zone. He appears to be very quarterback friendly the way he plays and the way he catches the ball because their quarterbacks are awful, you know, and so but he does

a nice job of catching the ball. Do you have a guess as to why there are so many, like six eight monsters? I have no idea, but think about this, Okay, yeah, just guys, yeah, the one the ones I've seen Austin Allen six eighty six seven. Yeah, Okay, let me. I'm just kind of going down my list here. I mean, they're they're all like, yeah, Coal or six seven h cold Turner, pretty big cold Turner six seven. You're absolutely

right about that. So, I mean there's monsters, there's these these these all these tight ends are all six seven. You mentioned Woods, Yeah, I mean they're all six seven and better. What did you have, Bobby? I mean, I think Brian's gotten pretty much. I'll say the thing that really stood out to me though, was he shows a real ability to like make these catches in traffic. Yeah. I don't see anything that suggests he wouldn't be able to translate that part of his game to the NFL.

So UM, blocking tight end with reliable hands, I think I think he does find the soft spot in his zone. He's not gonna ever be a seam guy or anything like that. Um, And I don't think he's ever going to be the guy on a team. But he has the potential to contribute for like a two tight end offense. Like I mean, I think that that's kind of his ceiling. Um. I'd like to see him put on a little more mass. He's already put on like forty pounds apparently since he

got to Nebraska. Um, but a little more mass um if he's going to be in line blocking. Amazing how he catches the ball though, I mean it's hands are good, real good. The highlight that they showed on the TV. I mean, I got impressive body control for being That's what I'm saying. Six nine. These these guys, it's hard. It's hard for these it's hard for these defensive backs and linebackers to take these six seven, the Kohlers and and you're turning the guys like that and then Alan

because you're trying to defend them in their link. They're catching balls away from their body and you're trying to jump there and get to the ball, and you can't get there. These guys are weapons, and you know they're all kind of in that little pocket together. You know, probably not a first round guy. Whether you like McBride, maybe he's your first round guy. I don't know, he's a second round guy. With me. I don't think there will be a tight end Drave I don't. I don't

not at all. They're taking They're they're taking a tight end. Yeah, that's gonna happen when of these guys good to quote Brian brought us just get ready. I'm just telling you that. No. Um, I try to pick these names a day or two ahead of time to give you all time to watch them. So I picked this name and I was like, oh, yeah this. You know, I've heard some buzz about this guy. He seems pretty good. And then yesterday uh Garafolo and Rappapor on NFL Network try to basically said that he's

like a Devo replacement. So I was like, all right, I guess I'm on the right track. So tell me about Velis Jones Less Thank you Jones Junior. That's why we do. It's called tell me more for a reason. Bayless Jones Junior out of Tennessee. So I still think there's a lot of projection with this guy because it's a little bit like the Baylor receivers or like the Corey Coleman. Because they didn't ask him to run a lot of advanced routes. His route tree was really limited.

But he's a return specialist who started at USC transferred to Tennessee. Like I said, limited route tree. Senior Bowl was really big for him with NFL teams the folks that I've talked to, because again a little limited, they got a chance to really see him in some of these one on ones with DBS, and I think he really impressed them. He showed, like you know, an ability to one of the line of scrimmage with his releases

and and and be a good route runner. He lined up mostly in the slot at Tennessee, but I mean he did take some reps outside, usually in bunch formations taking smoke route. So he's up there blogging. He's willing to block. He's not always great at it, but he's willing to get out there at front. Black there. Um. You know, like I said, returned specialists who fifteen yards per return at punts last year. Um only took one carry this year, but definitely could be a jet sweep

type of guy. UM doesn't necessarily have them moves to make guys missing space. I don't feel like. But he's got great straight line speed, good contact balance, he doesn't go down easy, picks up extra yards. I'll tell you what, man, I this guy was fun to watch. I'm glad you picked him because I was. I know I was going through Dane's top three hundred and I'm like, God, I didn't see this guy and then all of a sudden, boom, you put him on the list. You're welcome, So yeah,

thank you for doing that. This guy's a running back playing wide receiver. I think. I mean, he's six foot, he's two hundred and four pounds. That build is, yeah, that build is, and he's he's he's got that build. But he's physically impressive the way he's just like you watch him in games. He just blows through tacklers, you know, and the lower body power or the drive. I thought he played with balance, the body control. He could be

a difficult guy to knock off his feet. I felt like he had rare, rare field and vision to see the field because there'll be times where he's carrying the ball and he will make a cut just at the right time. You know, it's like, oh he's about to

get tackle booming, he's over here. So, I mean, I was there's a lot to be about this guy that you could like, Bobby's right, the slot stuff, but you see him executing a lot of different routes in order to get open out of that, and he is a burner up the field when he gets a step, he's gone and er again. Another program with shaky quarterback play, and he makes a lot of play. Warntano sailed like three fourth throws. It's crazy. It's crazy some of the

some of the stuff that goes on. But they played a really fast offense. So as you're watching highlights, he's gonna get up and he's gonna hand the ball the official watching. There we go, bunny official, give him the ball. Boom. Now we're gonna run a play. You know, that's kind of what he does. I mean, that's I mean, they ran a I think it was the uh it might have been the Purdue game, Alabama games watching, but they run, They put him in the slot and they run it.

They exchanged the routes and like he's up the field before they produe even adjust or Alba even a justust four three one speed exactly. This guy's so, I mean, this sounds to me like if you're if you're able to see this, watch this is a part return this is it gets old, just narrating highlights for those he just gotta boom and that, and and they were down, they were down seven with like thirty seconds left in the game. When that thing happened right there. Now, Now

he's Terrence Snowman too, though. Yeah, he's gonna be twenty five as a rookie. I don't care. I'm just saying he's gonna see That's what I'm saying, though, Terence Snowman. Everybody told us that we drafted him and he played twenty seven years in the league. Yeah, so, uh, do you have a great on him, Brian? Yeah, I have him in the fifth round? Hey, he go he I think a lot of people have talked about him in like six seven. I know, I think that's the bey

the chatter about him, what I've heard from teams. I think he goes higher. I think he goes early day three. So this is just me spitball in here. But like I'm imagining, you draft this guy, probably not to step into the starting lineup, but he could take over return duties from city and to kind of find a role for him there. And he's going to be kind of a copy guy USC guy. Right, is that we said? Please? Yeah? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your your animation on the last

two has really sold me. Like you put up this was only that was the exchange. I thought it was I knew i'd seen him. He got some jet. He blew that exchange against South Carolina. Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying. This guy has got the ability to like he can make it happen. And Dane had him. I think Dane had him is one of those guys. You know, I couldn't get to every single guy. I mean, I mean I got to one hundred and ninety guys. We have day jobs. Yeah, Dane, this is Dane's job. Well,

but but but you look at Dane. Dane had him. I believe in the top two hundred on his board. You know what I'm saying. I mean more maybe in the top one hundred. Really, what I'm hearing is like, I shouldn't be surprised to hear this guy's name even earlier than maybe what y'all are fourth. I wouldn't be surprised if you heard him in the fourth. I might be a little surprised if you heard him in third.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got called him the fourth. Yeah, good, no, Yeah, Dane had him as player one eight, two hundred board this collectively, like I said, I love DeMarco Jackson. There's a couple other guys we've talked about, but this might be the most overall exciting group we've done, which is a great way to end it. Yeah, Bobby, congrats you didn't screw up. Thanks man, I thought you were okay. We even got names right that you messed up whatever

it's called. Tell me more. This will be good, you guys, we'll get a whole week of just ruining Dave's on air life. You guys can join me in it. You don't think that that's been happening this entire time. We were all I think it's I think it's getting napped up for you. You know, you know I bring it to another level. I already struggle to keep this thing on the rails. Man, Speaking of which, were over time. When we come, when you hear us again, will be

Dave's mailbag that he had to type before the show. Yeah, go read my mailbag Dallas Cowboys dot com. Yeah, you know, you know where we are. We'll be back with him draft on Tuesday. You go, we're gonna do We're gonna try to do all nine picks. With the way that y'all get long winded. I don't know what that is, but yeah, we'll have a mock draft for you Tuesday, and then a week from today it's the draft Man. So yeah, thanks for listening. We'll be back next time.

This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.