Draft Show: Taking A Stand

two weeks away. Hello, welcome. The Big Voice guy said it all, and we're actually we're all here today, all four of us back in action. As we tick close to the draft, it felt like it would never get here. Now it feels like it's way too close, to be honest with you, which that's where I want to start today. We are in the height of lying season right now, Like this is the time of year where I think, for the most part, you've done what you can do.

They the hey might not be in the barn, but like you know the talking points, you know the players, and now there's just a whole bunch of smoke messing up the top of the draft, and in a year where there's not a slam dunk number one prospect or a generational quarterback, I think it's even more confusing. First of all, like would y'all agree with that? Yeah, yeah, I don't. You know. The thing that and we were talking about it here in a little bit pre show,

was the doubt you have on certain players. You know, did you? You're now having to fight for guys against a room that might not believe what you're thinking. And that's that that's the that's the biggest problem that scouts are dealing with right now. Is you know, you love it when you start to present a report and you're trying to get that tag on the board or get it in the stack, and you're fighting for a player and you've got guys that are going with you on that.

That makes your job a heck of a lot easier. But there's some of these players on this board, and I think it's because the inconsistency of a lot of these guys that trying to get them right is the big struggle right now. Which you're totally right, and I we said this before the show, like I completely understand how the group think and echo chamber mentality happens because it's got to be scary as hell, especially like if we miss on a guy, what are you gonna do?

You know? But if they'll let you know, fans will let you know, are you are you? Are you gonna hear it for a couple of years? Are you gonna get fired? If Lakwan Treadwell turns out to not be a great player, Oops, you're gonna move on us? Yeah? Talk about us? Yeah? I fired? That's the That is

the terrifying thing for people that do this professionally. If you've got a two on a guy, yeah, and the rest of the room has a five on a guy and it's your livelihood on the line, that sounds absolutely terrified. So I understand how these grades sort of gravitate toward a mean where they kind of agree with each other. Well, what's going to happen is interesting. Take example Walker for Georgia, which I mean, the media scouts have got this thing just pumped up. And I'm not talking about just us

media scouts. I'm talking like Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, guys who were professional scouts in the business are now pumping air into a guy. You know Jeff comes on here and is talking about listen. I mean, we had a mock draft situation where this guy was our pick, and now all of a sudden, now he's sixteen, and now he's two, you know, and then I agree with him. There's four or five guys that I might think that there might be a better rushers than him. That's the

scary thing, right. I love the way that you can read my mind because I didn't send you a rundown today, Nope, But that's exactly what I want to talk about. I brainstormed this idea with Jeff. Credit to you, Jeffrey. I think there are five or six some chips, probably always I think there are there are five or six names. I just want to go over in terms of like what are we missing? What are we not talking about?

And and Trayvon Walker is chief among them because in the span of a month, he, like you just said, he's being mocked as the number one overall pick a month after being a top fifteen guy. So what's what's the deal here? And without trying to let other narratives influence you, what is your opinion of him? Oh? I can get to the notes because the notes aren't gonna say top five player. Hold on, I mean it's quay

Walker that's different. Here we go. Um, I saw Trayvon Walkers, a guy that you could tell was for his size, like full size defensive end. You went, oh wow, really good athlete. Like I'm watching this guy dropping coverage and then change direction to go make a tackle, and you can see that it's a big dude. That's a really good athlete. I wrote that he moves like he's two hundred and forty pounds even though he's two hundred and seventy five. But I also wrote, my question is how

good of a pass rusher is? He doesn't look all that Bendy, doesn't have an array of pass rush moves yet good linear athlete with power. Now, linear athlete was disproven by his athletic testing. He's clearly athletic enough to do whatever you want. But I think on tape Trayvon Walker is like the tenth best pass rusher in this class,

maybe fifteenth. So I do think you're projecting his athletic traits to translate in the NFL with coaching into a really good pass rusher, because he was not that in college. If you're into the nerd stuff. His pass rush win rate was like half of that of the other top edge prospects. Yeah, you know, and really a clear understanding of this is how Georgia played him. You know, when they went nickel, they put him at nose. They didn't

even keep him on the outside. Thinking, now, you you know, when you play knows you're as a pass rush, you're having to deal with a center, a couple of guards, you know that kind of stuff. So to me, they didn't even really keep him on the outside. And you know, to me, I just kind of look at this. I think Jeff's riot about this. I mean, I think there's some there's some some good workout numbers, but I don't know if it necessarily translates into like the first or

second overall pick in this draft. I wouldn't think that he would be the best player in this draft. That that I never when I watched his tape, and this is even before all the athletic numbers. You could watch him against Arkansas and Clemson and some of these teams and you're going, well, he's a good player, but is

he the first or second overall player? I find it the tape doesn't show me that I agree with that, and I like him probably a little bit more than most people, I guess if you're looking at first round guys, but I still don't have them anywhere near the Aid and Hutchinson's out of Michigan or the Cavon Thibodeaus. In terms of that edge rusher class, I think it's those two guys a considerable difference because Walker is that third

and fourth guy. He's right there with George carloft Is because they both have just a little bit of that knock. I don't think Walker's as strong as those guys. I don't think he's athletic as or as athletic, even though the numbers, like you said, stood up at some of the best numbers in the class. And then I also on tapes all inconsistency. He goes up and he tears up Alabama in the National Championship game. That's the game

that everybody remembers. Then you turn around you see him kind of struggle a little bit against Kentucky, and he goes up against our guys second round. Yeah, and then we're gonna talk about the other offensive tackle, left tackle. Yeah, he had some issues there. And then against Clemson or Thorndale from last year, the kid, the guy that I watched la the other guy I was mentioning. But he struggles against those guys. He struggles a little bit against Clemson.

And so there's that inconsistency that goes along with the very much so enticing pros. There are so many things, little cons that are gonna nag at you that I agree with you. I don't think top two or top three is even remotely close to this guy's worth. Jeff

kind of touched on this. Can you at least talk yourself in the idea of his potential, like if he's if he's in the right situation with like a good D line coach, good you know, Let's say we're to go to Jacksonville where he's got Josh Allen on the other side of the line. Can I sell you on that at all he's with the best team in the country, best defense in the country. Or I don't think he don't.

I mean, if we're watching a player from Connecticut but not one of those finished products though, I mean, he yeah, I don't, you know. And the I think Jeff has said this before, he's not he doesn't rush as well as Thibadeau. You can watch the tape and see that and there you're going, oh, okay, I see it this. You know, that's a guy to me that I think

is going to be you know, Corloftus. I've Corloftus over this guy as a rusher, So I mean to me, I kind of feel like, yeah, sure, but this guy also play with the best defense in the country on a national championship team. The defensive coordinator ends up getting a head coaching job at Oregon, you know, I mean he didn't. It's not like he went to some small school as a head coach and he wasn't just doing it by himself. He had all the help in the world.

There are a lot of players. There might be five first round picks from George's defense, honestly, maybe all in the front seven. Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt. If you get into Kobe Deane Walker sneak Lewis scene in there. Yeah, see Trayvon Walker, he could go five. I think it's way Walker has way Walker could sneak in there too, for sure. The other one, which I don't think we've spent more than forty five seconds talking about Cavon Thibodeaux because it's just it feels like a waste of time

on a Cowboys podcast. But in terms of understanding the first round, I would like to know more, just in the sense of, like, if he slips the way people are projecting, is that lying season bs or at the very least, is it just it's that unknowable off the field rumor people people, Yeah, that's the problem. That won't be I mean you could, you could watch the tape and clearly see one of the best players in the draft.

The problem is do you like the attitude? Do you want to deal with maybe him being a branding guy? Do you want to you know, there's all kinds of things that teams will just not This team here will would love him. The team other teams around the league probably wouldn't love how much he is into that kind of stuff he need, like a clothing line in the pro shop type of Oh sure, okay, yeah, he would, he would have his and he'd go and model for you.

Probably we can make that work. Well. It reminds me of Khalil Mack, Like I think that's what you're talking about, where it's not a two hundred and seventy pound guy. Yeah, I was thinking or whatever, but like he is an absolute handful whatever whatever right tackle is unfortunate enough to line up against him. If he bullrushes you, he's going through you. He can dip, he can generate power from

odd angles. Like Cavon Thibodeau is a stud. The only thing stopping him from being a top three lock is whatever the stuff is that I don't know, Yeah, because I have not interviewed him or whatever the background is. It's making people go, what a football The tape on Cavon Thibodeaux. Trayvon Walker dreams of having that tape. Part of me believes that it is some of that lying that smoke kind of thrown out in the world because he's an easy target because he has the off the

field ego. I mean, Dane Brugler said it himself at the combine. He said, whenever you're pulling up a chair for Cavon Tibodeau to give him an interview, you have to pull up another chair for the ego. You gotta put another one right next to him because there's so much of that carrying over. I have a professional ego, so hey, and we got an extra extra couple chairs

on the We got chairs, they're in the room. But with Cavon Thibodeau, it may just make him that easy target to say, hey, we're just not gonna let it. We're gonna slip. He's gonna he's gonna fall. And then all of a sudden he's the first or second player taken off the board, and that's exactly where he needs to be whenever his tape is out there. Jeff, is he here? Top rated guy? I have Hutchinson is number one because I just think Hutchinson is the safe, safer pick.

I mean buying production, with the traits, with the athleticism. Hutchinson is really really, really good. Thibodeau. I think if you were saying, hey, it's third and seven, which one you're putting in there too? And I want to get the quarterback right now, give me Thibodeau, I'd probably go Thibodeaux. Have Thibodeau number one. And you know it's funny. I go back and I watch if you want to watch what we were talking about, what sailor the kid from

George George. All of a sudden he's playing against those Michigan kids, and you're kind of like going huh. If you want to watch a good tape at him blocking a couple of guys, that gives you a good idea there. I think that. I think to me, I think Jeff's right about this. You want if you want a guy at third and seven to get home on a rush, Thibodeau's gonna get home. Hey, Hutchinson can get home. But I mean, I think there's a little bit more involved there.

I do wonder too, the draft industry has become year round. I wonder how much of that plays a role in some of this, I think. And Derek Stingley is working through it too. That's another guy. Derek Stingley and came on. Thibodeaux have been in the top ten of mock drafts for like two years at this point. Yeah, like boredom well in Stingley. Now it's like he's hey, guys, he's going back up after his pro day. His Pro day doesn't move anyway at all. He's the athlete you already

knew he was. I'm not so much thinking about right now. But again, you know, Dane's gonna turn around and do a mock draft like two days after this draft ends, two years ago or excuse me a year ago because he was so young. I mean Stingley was in the top five of that. Thibodeau, if you follow the draft, has been a name number one people have known forever. And sure you would prefer a guy to be mature

enough to not care about that. But that's probably a hard thing to do when people tell you from the age of nineteen that you're twelve to twenty four months removed from being very, very rich. I don't know. That's something he's probably pretty hard to come back against. We need to get used to this because in future draft shows, we're going to talk about kids that had these in il stuff and making hundreds of thousand dollars, maybe millions

of dollars with branding and stuff like that. This is going to be We've we've had to adjust in the league as evaluators. We've had to adjust to the Kyler Murray's as the first overall picks. So this is only going to change you better. You know, you sit there and you don't want to take Thibadeau because he's a branding expert or whatever you're you're you're you're missing out. Don't don't. Don't let a great player go by because you have this this a version of a guy that

likes to, you know, to try and promote himself. And I do think like I mean, NFL team's fall into that trap all the time. Absolutely, that is such a good point because you're looking down the line, You're looking at some of these quarterbacks that are getting the deals. I mean, look at Texas and Quinn. You ers, he goes to Ohio State League arle early and then he goes to Texas. He's going to get massive deals in Texas and then he'll be a top pick if everything

plays out the way that it should. I mean, there are guys like this arch Manning, what the younger Manning that's coming up through the high school ranks is going to be in that regard as well. I mean, there are going to be guys that not only could have those pro shop lines, but already have them in the back pocket. It's been at least two weeks since we've had an argument about Jordan Davis. Oh fun, as we get closer to this thing, and he is, at this point again in the eyes of the media machine, is

a pretty much consensus top fifteen pick. How do you feel about that? And what like, where where do you have him packed? I'd do it. If any of you guys are scared, you can always count on you for that. Jeff Jordan Davis, at three hundred sixty pounds, tested as the most athletic defensive tackle prospect of all time. He ain't that on tape. He ain't that. No, he's the second or third best defensive tackle in George's roster. He is a space eating dude that ran a really impressive

forty on tape. I bet you if you count every play he made outside the tackle box, you ain't a fill hand. Yeah, you won't get to five. So, like, he is a really big, really strong run stuff guy. But like when I go back to the nose tackle that I want you to be if you're going to be a top fifteen pick, he don't move on a football field like Vitavea did. Yeah, vit to ba. I give you some pass rush. Yeah. Jordan Davis was a

space eater. And if a team thinks that with his measurable athleticism, offers the upside to be a top fifteen pick, then more power to him. At twenty four. If the Cowboys took Jordan Davis, depending on who is available. I might go, okay, but I would totally understand a team being like, dude, we're not using a first round pick on a run stuff. Yeah. I get an argument with I think John Owning about this because the on Twitter, and it was about because I've seen how much Nickel

does dan Quinn play a lot? Is he going to be on Is this guy going to be on the field as a pass rusher all the time? You know? And no disrespect to John if you're listening, but I just kind of thought, how would you use this guy? Yeah, you would use them early down stuff. Look what they do at Georgia. They take him off the field in some pass rushing situation. Yes, you know, so to me, I agree with Jeff and and I think there's things about him, the athletic stuff. This is guy's a freak

of nature. Is a vita va? No, he's absolutely not, you know. And on my board, with the way he sits. When I put this thing out, you're gonna see him. I got him in the second round, got twenty first round grades, and he's not one of my twenty first round grades. You know, he's somewhere in that mix. We've talked about him all the time. Somewhere between twenty four and maybe thirty two, somewhere he's a you know, he's kind of maybe in that spot. But I don't I

agree with Jeff on that do you think? Sorry, real quick, Cole was gonna say, I kind of disagree, Okay, I think I think he is. I think he is a first round pick. And I get the thought process because at least the Georgie you look on the film, he didn't pass rush, he didn't get out to the to the numbers, he didn't go sideline. The sideline left and eighty eight came in. They played better do a certain ex.

Jayleen Carter is gonna be a top ten pick. I was about to say, Jay Carton's phenomenal, So Davante Wyatt. I also didn't have to get to the outside of the whole lot because he had the Kobe Deane behind him, because he had Trey Von Walker on the outside, because he had Quay Walker coming on the back end as well. He didn't have to do a whole lot of that.

So basically his role at Georgia was run stuffing, because that was the role that he was kind of pigeonholed into because he was on a defense that's so historic. I think he could bring that to the table. I think I see a little bit of that athleticism when you watch the tape and there are a couple plays where he does get outside. Like you said, maybe you can't count on one finger. I saw four, maybe three,

But I only watched five games of this guy. So turn around and maybe you put him on a roster and he's able to play three downs in the NFL. He shows you something that he didn't necessarily have to show you while he was at Georgia. I'd rather have Wyatt than him. He's a good player too, Yeah, I mean, I mean they're both people. When people semi mock drafts where Wyatt's the number twenty four pick, I get happy for those people. I think those people get it. I

really do. Give me, give me the disruptive three technique. I think he's gonna be an Eagle. Yeah. I don't think he would be here though, because they've spent so much on three techniques and each of the last one. Oh no, I'm not. I'm just saying I just know. I I mean, I'm here. I'm just talking about as a player. I'm talking about as a player. I think the team that selects him, when they do, I'm gonna be that's that team I think gets a pick, it'll be the right thing. Yeah, I think the team will

get it real cool. Like when you see a Trayvon Walker climbed to number one overall, Like when a Daniel Jeremiah puts him up there. We kind of sit there and say, like somebody who knows stuff is telling him this. That is the end, which is the problem. Not to take anything away from his scouting a billing. If it

scares you, yeah, it scares you. You You know when when when all of a sudden, when you sit there and you don't particularly like somebody and then all of a sudden it's pumped up by three or four different guys. That's a scary thought. And we're all jones. Yeah, we're all we all don't want to be on that island, but you know, we will will die on that island if we have to. I mean, there's there's like I said, Hey, this is what I saw, and someday somebody will say, oh, yo,

you were wrong about that guy. Fine, I was wrong about that guy, But how about the other guys I was right about that, you didn't. Right, just predict earlier on all of them. You'll get a lot of it, right, Yeah, that's going to be a better percentage. Yeah, But I think I can't. It's funny this, this whole thing with Walker.

When we first started this process, Walker was a popular mock pick to Dallas at twenty four, and then and then he became a popular mock pick to somebody at fifteen, and then he became a popular mock pick to the Lions at two. Can I add what I believe spurred this? Because last night Dave and I had a nice romantic dinner.

We did watch some Harry Potter, a couple of Harry Potters, and uh, and I believe this came from did it goes back to the group think thing because I fall victim to it on accident, And like, I take pride in watching the ship and putting guys where they belong. Sure, but then if you see the entire world, it's like, man, this guy is a top three whatever in this class, And I'm like, man, I got him in the fifth round.

Go back and watch him. Like, but you know, I just the other day I went back through all my receiver notes and I was like, no, no, forget anything, no outside noise. And my notes, how are these wide receivers ranked? And my wide receivers are Garrett Wilson at Ohio State number one, Sky Moore at Western Michigan number two, George Pickens at Georgia number three. Yeah, that's my top

three with no outside noise. And like, I think it was the kind of group think that stopped me for a while from putting George Pickens where me watching his tape said he belongs, which is in the first round. And if you just go, hey, I watched him play, how good is he? And would I take him over that guy? My honest answer is yeah, I would take George Pickens over Trail and Burke's over Jamison Williams over

Drake London over Chris Olave. So that's one man's opinion, but it goes into that whole deal where it's like group think, forget it. Here's what I saw. Yeah, guy, that's your island. Then you're and I respect the fact, then that's what you're supposed to do, is that's you standing on that island. And there are not a whole lot of people that are gonna put the sky More up there, or George Pickens in the mix with the Olabes and the Londons and the Wilsons. I like that.

I think that's a good, good idea on your side. I just hope this draft has I hope it's as wacky as I think it will be. It will be with the no quarterbacks and then the uncertainty with teams with multiple first round picks, you might see some people do some crazy things to try and move around and see what they need to do. Are we sure there's no quarterbacks up there? Well, you know what it looks

like to me that. I mean, I know my personal board, corral is the only first round quarterback that I have, and then Willis is the next one, and pick it and all those other guys. But I think Willis's potential as too enticing. Oh no, no, no, absolutely, the Pittsburgh stewers are going to pick a quarterback. You know, you look at Pittsburg Panther, Yeah, you look at you look

at you look Carolina very well. I mean, Philadelphia might take a quarter Philip Philadelphia might see and I talk about not going to but yeah, it's niting these guys. It's funny visits. I forgot which one, but I saw one the other day where Philly is doing a thirty. They brought Corral and didn't it. Maybe it was Correla Wow, yeah, yeah, So they're talking about how Jalen hurts as our guy.

Whether I could have felt like that Philadelphia was doing this like getting next year's one, Wait until next year, wait till next year and kind of see that maybe that we don't want to take the buying season. Maybe they wanted to throw you off. It was Correl so Correll. Maybe they're maybe a false to the second for Philly. I don't know, but I'm really what the commanders do

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Draft Show Today. Welcome back to the raft Show. I don't have it in front of me, but it is still tax season. Uh, you have a you have like less than a week to do your taxes. Go to Liberty Tax dot com slash Cowboys also beamer if you can cut to Kyle's camera, we do the The draft edition of Star magazine is out. It's available digitally It's available in pro shops and stores regionally. Uh geez, we got is the Cowboys first Round pick on that cover? Which one do you think it is? If you had

to guess which one? Yen Knygreen. In retrospect, I wish we had put Zion on the ID too, but yeah, that's okay. I just thought Trent McDuffie's purple and gold color looks great. The color looks great. Every year I marvel of how I mean the content stuff. I mean, we worked on it for a long time, I know, but always marveled how great that the cover was. So that. I love how you guys made Nao Kobe Deane the

biggest guy. Yeah five four, we're trying to manifest some stuff, and then made the center the smallest guy, which you probably need to pump him up a little bit. Rio two, Rio two. Yeah, my man puts out ricks in his pocket. Yeah, he had either that or the guy that was weighing him likes him and put his foot two on the scale to kind of help him. I'm fine, I'm just I'm choosing to ignore that he's not a thirty visit and just I'm just going to continue to pretend like

the Cowboys will consider him. Maybe I'll be right. We got Deely lucky two years ago with this draft guy because they put uh CJ. Henderson on the front. And then there was one other guy I can't remember who it was, Jason, Oh, it was it was Caleb and Jason, and then Ceedee Lamb was just a throw in because he was Ceedee Lamb, because he was one of those top guys. And then of course he ended up thinking

I always argue with our bosses. I'm like, why are we need to be putting cowboy targets on the cover? Nobody cares if Kyler Murray's on the cover of our draft magazine. But I think they threw in CD that year because he's an Oklahoma covers Like, I was like, why are we putting Ceedee Lamb on this magazine? And sure enough he's well, Nick's happy that Arkansas guys on that there's gonna be a parade in this building. Rob Phillips Day and guy, I think the pick has been

three the three years in a row on the cover. Right, We're not We're not terrible at this, yeah, I mean we're not the Maybe we're not the best, but we're not all. We've done it for a long time though. All right, we plugged the magazine. Beemer hit me with the sound Twitter on the Twitter where we get to your questions which ran you alluded to it, Ryan Nobi.

Ryan says, can we do division needs? With the Giants holding two picks in the top ten commanders at eleven and now Philly has two picks instead of three, there will be a lot of NFC East teams drafting ahead of the couch. I was on the Giants podcast the other day. They're talking about Sauce Gardener and they're talking about a right tackle, so they're looking corner safety. I think you need skill in Philadelphia. There's some things about maybe getting rid of a Rigor, so maybe they're gonna

have to do some some upgrading there. That's a shame. Ragor needs to go someplace else and go be a star, because I think he's capable of that. Um the commanders, what about skill there? About wide receivers and stuff like that. Look like they're okay with Logan Thomas as a tight end.

You know, they've got a really quality running back. Maybe an offensive line was looking a little beat up at the end with them, but quarterback linebacker with them sometimes two yeah, either Devin Lloyd or n Kobe because they're aging there a little bit. I think they drafted the kid from Kentucky there, jam and Davis. It was okay, yeah he had he had. I thought he was going to play a lot better for them. I really really did it. May still he was just a rook. They're

thinking about what they got safety. I think I think Washington's I think Washington's dream pick would be Kyle Hamilton because they didn't they didn't bring back Landon Collins. Well yeah, you laugh. But like Kyle Hamilton, safety number two. He can do it all. He could just be a wait, who's safety number one? Oh, dex Hill. Yeah, okay, that's fine. I guess we visit notes and be like, screw the world. Here's what I think. This sounds weird because looking in

my island, one would be a top eleven pick. I'm just going, I'm just going, Tom Hanks, Kyle Hamilton just reminds me of Jaron Curse. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, you just didn't take your body what you would be asking him to do. Do you think that's worth it? Amazing this time though, I know. I mean, it's a weird comparison. Compare on wasn't us seventh? We're just pick but yeah, we just compared a we just compared a guy that we absolutely hated to a guy that's good.

Likely be true, we're comparing the guy who played really good NFL box safety this year, but this year we would have never is a rookie does what Jaron Curse just did this year, he'd be phenomenal, would be a big success. Yeah, see that's you know. I think the one strength that Curse has is his ability to tackle. I think that's the strength of Hamilton. Kyle Hamilt raised tight ends and tackle. Yeah, that's what we could do. I think the Giants have to come out with a

tackle in the first round. I think one of those five or seven they have to come out with one of those tackles. Washington, I wouldn't be surprised if they spent a wide receiver pick at eleven. I think that's possible. To Wilson, Rivera basically has just like he's just got a neon sign. That's like I want the Buckeye receivers. I mean, if they don't go defense, I think it would be one of those two. And then could you see Philly maybe taking an edge rusher in one of

those two picks, defensive tackle, their defensive line. They're trying to think about how to get ready for life because they brought in what's ready post Brandon Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, name an edge rusher or a d tackle and I wouldn't be surprised to fill either one of those or offensive line. Corloftis could be theirante why and I think you said that in the last segment it's gonna be their two picks. I think I'd have to see Philly draft the linebacker in the first round to believe it.

Linebacker with the Eagles is kind of like safety with the Cowboys. They just refused the wide receiver with the Packers. Yeah, they just refused to ever spend a big resource on it. Or the Packers going to draft the wide receiver. There's topic George Pickens. You know, it's funny. They do like Pickens, They really really do. I mean, and don't throw the I mean, don't don't discount that at twenty eight. I mean talking to some people up there, shout them. Yeah,

this is not from Jeffrey Kavano, but a different. Jeffrey could have just asked us. He just no, it's not a no. But you said the sky. Actually he said sky in the first second state fine skymore could player Jeffrey Moore over it? No. Charlie Kohler the Iowa State Titans like him, He just doesn't. He just wants to know more, you know what. I think the thing it's really really a fascinating draft, and I don't ever remember one where there were so many tight ends that were

six seven. You know, Cole Turner from the Nevada is a six seven guy. You know, Kohler's the six seven guy as well. I think the thing with him is when you deal with guys that big, that get down the field, it makes it hard for defensive backs to defend him, especially when they extend, you know, I mean they're hitting forearms and wrists and stuff as the balls being caught. And I think that's where you know where

you look at Kohler. I mean for six seven guys two fifty six body control balance, I mean, he's a he's really works well in small areas and you could see him down in the red zone and stuff like that. Brock Purdy's kind of like by the way, I think Brock he's gonna be here. He might not get drafted, but I think he's gonna be here as a quarterback. That's Kellen Moore, but that but see, but that's where you watch Brock Purty throw the ball and you're like going, oh, okay,

you know, I see you know. And that's where Charlie Kohler. I think it was a pretty good job. I think that when you talk about him, he presents himself as a really good target. And we could say the same about Dalton Scholtz. I mean, that's what Dalton Scholtz really does. It's kind of what it reminded me of if these bigger guys. I mean, he's way bigger than Dalton Schultz, and he prevents or he presents that target. But he's got good hands, he can elevate, he can go up

and get it in traffic. But he left a little bit to be desired in the blocking category. He's He's a shield wall guy, is what he is. He's not Ken. I kind of wanted some oomph to him. I wanted some powers. Didn't really see that. There's gonna be a day and age where we talk about these tight ends as not being blockers anymore. They're just pass catchers, different time of receiver. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna just gonna say, Matt, you know, we're gonna put a tackle in there, going balanced.

You know, you know we saw a guard play fullback last year. I mean, people are going to figure out, like these tight ends if like if we if we put a tackle or a guard in and we run the ball, big deal, we got six seven yards. We move on. You know, I don't think there's gonna be a day at day and age we talk about tight ends totally being detached from being inline position another thing. I'm honestly I think that's a thing right now. Sorry, Kyle. I think all NFL teams are like I, we'll teach

him how to get in the way. I found myself talking to people far less about blocking tight ends than I have guys that Blockhea. I was just gonna say, I talked to somebody on their coaching staff throughout the season. Because the Baylor connection and Big twelve stuff, they say that he was one of the best leaders from the moment he stepped on campus, in that locker room. If somebody that that worked hard, he was the first day or a first one in, last one out type of guy,

leader on and off the field. So not only are you getting a good pass catcher, a guy who could develop as a blocker, but you're getting a guy who can make your football team better from a morale, from a locker room standpoint. I think that's something valuable to throw in there as well. Eric thinks we're way too low on Clemson corner Andrew Booth junior and wants to

know how you feel about that. You are pretty low on him arm second round, second round him got him as and he could go in the first round because I think he's my fourth corner, So chill out, dude. But a lot of people have a lot of people to have him in the top twenty. People have him to sneak him in that sky war talk every once in a while that it might help. So this is like my quarter rankings. My corner rankings is very much a trust the tape deal, because like Trent McDuffie, I

think that his tape is awesome. It's pretty much across the board. He's a smaller guy, he's got shorter arms like some teams I think won't pick Trent McDuffie period because his arms are shorter than thirty inches. And that's why I think Andrew Booth could be the third corner off the board. It could be Derek Stingley Sauce Gardner than Andrew Booth in the top twenty because it's a premier position. I saw with him a guy that has

like I would think Dan Quinn would really like him. Yes, because I don't have the length in front of me. But he's six foot just over six foot, right, But I mean arm length. They don't sixty or seventy six wingspan, Yeah, wingspan thirty one. What's seventy six to thirty one arm plus a chest there, That's that's what I'm thirty one is long enough to lsu I can't do that. Out of my top ten top fifteen corners, he's the second longest arms behind sauce Gardner. And he is a well

rounded player too. You've seen him say, play press man, off man zone, you see him do a little bit of everything. I think that he's a really good player to premiere position. He's going to be picked probably in the first round. And don't forget like premium positions. If a team likes you. They do what they gotta do. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Damon Arnette Top twenty pick terrible ideas. Aj Terrell also caught a lot of people off guard speaking of Clemson, and he was

arguably one of the best corners in the league last year. Yeah, I mean, and he had arguably also about Booth And you don't see him get a lot of opportunities, you know, I mean, he when it's it's like the it's like the teams in the ACC are like, we're really not interested in throwing the ball his direction. I will say this though about the kid though, and I know his job is to cover, but he's a fifty fifty tackler at that. Yeah, he's a fifty fifty tackle but U yeah, yeah.

So if you're if you're into that, like all of a sudden, they throw the ball and he's got to go make a tackle to get a guy on the ground, just know that that ball might go another twelve yards down the field, or it might be tackled right there at the spot. And for a guy who gave up like sixty and when they threw his direction, I mean, he gave up sixty two percent completion percentage. It didn't

look like he was sticky on him either. So if you can't tackle and he's not sticky on the corner or sticky on a wide receiver, then you're gonna have some issues. I think No Eggbanogeny was another corner who went a lot higher than people were maybe talking about. So yeah, yeah, I mean he was like a fourth round, fourth round grade that went like an second right. He either went early too or he might have gone one.

I think he went on. I think he went and we talked about him as like a top eighty type of guy, and he went in the first round. I don't think any of us have booth outside of the second round though. No, he's second round. That's where Yeah, I'm right there with it. So we don't talk about him, but we're not necessarily low on him. Probably to answer the Quinn, I just haven't talked about all that many corners all that often because I think kyer Elam at

Florida is also I can do. Quinn might like I kind of like the guy Gordon at Washing a little bit better than God. Yeah, it's just one of those I think corners one of those positions where You're like,

you're always going to draft the best player available. But unless you love the corner that much, there's just other things you need to do, you know, Like unless a guy that you had graded at the top of the board who you never thought would fall similar to a CD Lamb, falls to you, I just think you have other things you need to address. Are we discounting the fact that the Cowboys could pick a corner at twenty four? Are we discounting? I just I just did. Yeah, I

just did. I know. But that's what I'm saying. Like from unless it's somebody that you're absolutely head over heels in love with, forget about it. It would have forget about it. I just think there are other things you need to do. It would have to be somebody that they are very confident as soon as they call his name, Ken Joseph is riding the bench or learning to play the nets, basically your trading Brown or Harris or something

like that. Even but even still like and not to say Kelvin can't play in the slot, but that's not why they drafted him. I think Kelvin plays outside and Brown kicks inside and take Jordan Lewis off the field. That's what I would do if you what if you drafted a guy at twenty four, If you drafted a guy at twenty four, then I'd kick, I'd plug and play that kid, the drafted player, And then what do

you do? And they kick Brown inside to play Nicol and then Kelvin Joseph and Kelvin Joseph better, he better get the attention that oh wait, I need to Yeah, I better figure this out. That's why unless it is and we'll just it doesn't have to be stingy. But unless it is like a stingy type guy that you just never would be there. Drafting him is basically saying Kelvin Joseph might have to ride the bench in his second year. And I don't think they want to. Yeah, true,

but I don't think this team. I guess is this team's not taking sure. I think the argument, well, dan Quinn will protect that pick because he went to Lexington and put his name on that player. That's that's why I think that you won't see them draft a corner like that. Never rule anything out completely, but I would be pretty shocked. Yeah, I'd be pretty surprised if he's gonna put his name on somebody in this draft, Sam Williams,

old Miss defensive end. I think we're already seeing that. Yeah. Yeah, one last one before we go, somebody named oeg l. We talked about Abraham Lucas. Yeah, I don't know if that's a name or what we talked about. Abraham Lucas, the Washington State tackle. Could he play guard? Do you think that is doable? Well? I think that's a tough projection because he was a good tackle and Washington State does the thing where they're run blocking is always from

a pass set. Yeah, that's my ques question about him as a tackle, as I'm like, man, he looks like a really smooth and good pass protector. What's he going to give you in the run game? And now you want to project him into the spot where I need him to kind of move people in there? Uh? Maybe he could. I thought, hadn't crossed my mind, you know what, Jeff in my notes and maybe I'm hitting the pipe. But the thing is, I think with the crack pipe

was saying like, well maybe back in your college day. Yeah, it's probably sounded bad anyway, Sorry about that, folks. Uh, you know I watched the USC and Washington games with this guy, and I kind of thought he was a physical drive blocker. I thought that was something that maybe that he was a little bit better as a dry blocker. Sometimes you're right with those Washington State guys. You don't see it. I mean, look what's happened to that guy

in Philadelphia, you know Dillard. He's just completely fallen off the map. But I didn't think that he was. I didn't think that it was. I could say that I thought the run blocking was a little bit better than maybe it's passable lock in because he gets over the tops of his feet a little bit, but you don't see him on the ground and stuff like that, So maybe that's a maybe that's a hope. He's six six, he's three fifteen, probably a little bit taller for what

you want for a guard. But I don't know. Because I learned yesterday I didn't in those Fortner my guy for Kentucky that I absolutely loved the center. I learned he played guard at Kentucky. He was a converted garden center year before. So now every time I'm like, I've never seen him, but when we've seen him play center, he played guard. So if people are saying, well, if you draft a guy like that, could he play guard guard? Yeah, I mean he's a tough guy. You watch him play

against Jordan Davis and guys like that. He gets pushed back, but he's not getting run over. That was my hope right there. The thing about Lucas is it's funny because I never thought about moving him the guard, kind of along the same lines of you, Brian, but I looked at maybe swinging him to the right side because he played the left at spot. Maybe swing candidate. Yeah, because

he has so much experience. He's good in his past block He's very balanced, and I didn't see a whole lot of the hand strength that you wouldn't necessar early have to be that powerful drive blocker. But hey, like you said, maybe I'm right. You know what the thing about it is, I mean you watch a play against Jackson against USC and everybody's talking about Jackson, this is the second coming of Reggie White, and so you know, I mean, this guy's holding up against him and great

against him. I kind of like, I mean, I like this guy. This is most when he gets picked, I'll be like, there you go, there's another smart team. They know what they're doing with this kid. I just love the question because this is the the third round. No I have in the second, Oh, I'm the second. This is the time of year for creative problem solving where you say, oh, maybe I don't love my options at guard in the second round, But what about this tackle that I could move?

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Try to open this segment better than I closed the last one, one of my worst dismounts of the year. I think I really love that this is back, though, guys I've been enjoying tell me more. I already feel like a smarter draft fan. I hope the listeners will agree. So I'm just gonna get into it. We got fifteen minutes to cover five new guys. I doubt I could. No, we're gonna go over. And that's okay. Kyle's got the next show anyway, they're not on. Yeah, don't worry about it.

We can run into it. We'll go over. But all right, we're gonna hop right into it. We talked about this guy in the break, y'all seem to like him. Tell me more about Dane Belton, the safety out of Iowa. Yeah, I'm glad that somebody wanted to do Dane Belton for tell me more because about tired of watching guys that aren't draftable, rude. Jane Belton is a good player. Like, first you look up who is he give me his measurables.

What are the numbers? And it's like, oh, five interceptions, seven passes defended, Like we got some ball production here. All right, what does he do? He plays what did Iowa they call the cash spot, which is Daxton Hill at Michigan. Yeah, where if there are two receivers, he'll play safety, if there's three, he'll play nicol. If a guy motions away, he'll go down to the edge and go chase the quarterback. So he was clearly their guy

to do all those different things. And as a playing forward safety, especially in zone or covering tight ends or running backs, Dane Belton can play. Yeah. When I hadn't heard his name before and it was like, hey, we're gonna do tell me more about Dane Belton. I was like, sweet, let me go watch this job Or. I think this job Or is a third round pick. Yeah, I think that's a top one hundred player. I think he's good. Yeah.

I think Jeff's got him nailed. I think the thing that's the most impressive thing about him is is awareness and vision, because that's where I think that he is going to make a living. And you know, when you start to talk about football intelligence and things like that, I think this Dane Belton falls into that. He might not be one of those guys that when you watch him tackle, there's a little bit of that lunge and go low. But I don't think he's afraid to do it.

I just think that there's there's gonna be some times where he's gonna have to kind of make a tackle, and I just hope he does. But the vision, the awareness, the ball skills, all those things are top shelf. I love his awareness and his positioning because he always seems to be in the right spot. It's kind of like what we talked about with Verne McKinley, the organ safety

that we had tell me more last week. But he's not as quick to get there, but he's in that same area, that same mindset with the football IQ, the play recognition. He can come down in the box, he can stop the run. He's a decent tackler. And I say decent because there are some fundamental sides of his tackling just a lunch and part of it. So you

know he'll hit you, Yeah, come across the side. He's not afraid to hit, which is something that, of course you look at for some of these later round safeties. He will come up and plug a hole if he needs to. Not as rangy as some of those top guys up in the draft, and he's got some okay athletic testing numbers. But I like his size, I like his demeanor, and his football IQ is certainly something you

see on tape. It's funny because I like, when I think about safeties now that Dan quinn is here, I just think about the fact that they drafted Izzie mcquomo. Yeah six seven, however, but oh yeah, who's the tallest safety. But having said that, Belton is six foot and a half with thirty one inch arms, I mean that seems plenty of He can run. Yeah, he can run, So I don't think you discount him because of that. Nope, this might be a typo, but I have J. T.

Woods as the top safety. Let me don't just pencil him down. Yeah, tallest six four, what are we looking at? Definitely? I think I think I have a type of it. Can he tie his shoes standing up? He can run really fast. He was the one that went ran like a four to seven unofficial at the combine. Oh yeah, Baylor people run fast. Baylor tracked him. Yep. Tell me if this sounds appealing to the Dallas Cowboys. Talented LSU player transfers to Kentucky, finishes his career there. Tell me

more about Darre Rosenthal. Darre Rosenthal is an offensive tackle and and what's interesting about Rosenthal It's not a great way to jump this thing off. Six seven plays really upright. Doesn't get a lot of push in the run game. Letter ability's going to cost him against quick pass rushers. Leans forward when he's engaged, so he doesn't sustain. Well, he's pretty good college player. Don't see NFL traits? Yeah you know this guy? He does. I mean, I love

your direct attitude. No, no, I was trying to get there and I said, he looks super awkward when he has to block due to his lack of power and strength. Again, you know me, I have problems with those guys. He finds himself on the ground more than you like due to his inability to keep his balance. I could see where a very good foot athlete in some movement is impressive, but he gets caught like he's in a revolving door. He like he blocks and then he gets spun around

and then he gets thrown on the ground. And I you know, to me, he was the starting left tackle at Kentucky. And it's funny because they've got some big old guys and at six seven, two ninety he looks just super thin out there, but he's engaged and then he'll lose it. And so I mean, you know, that's that's the thing that you have to worry about. But again take my word for it, though, when a guy doesn't have from any power, he's gonna probably be an

all pro. Because this guy is really really long, and I don't think he's very very strong, and he doesn't mean he balanced. Yeah, there's there's some yeah, yeah, exactly. That's an offensive line that can you watch them. They can move people and sets up for those gadget guys and this guy every man. Yeah, everybody's moving and he's on the ground, is what he's at. He said he has bad balance kind Yeah, I didn't really like the balance, and the pass sets were something that looked at. I

liked his demeanor. I mean, he always was really aggressive and he's kind of getting in your face and chippy type of player. But I don't necessarily see a good mover along with the rest of his offensive line, and he just kind of looks like he's just not laboring because he's he almost just looks like he's uncoordinated. Well, it's funny. I was just going through my notes here, I go it terrible in Georgia game, dealing with their edge, but you always felt like he was on the verge

of disaster. Yeah, he was about to follow over Walker. It was you put number four across from it. It was. It was always like, oh yeah, it was one of those plays. Yeah, so you're telling me that's not Kelvin Joseph two point zero. No, not quite, not at all. This is a name that I think raised eyebrows all over the place when he was connected to the Cowboys, just because I'll be honest, I had never heard of him. Tell me more about Malik Davis, the running back out

of Florida. Yeah, and it and this is a hard study, It really really is. And you'll find him yeah, because he plays in that rotating system. You're apps right, there were he was generally the starter though, but you know, you could tell he's not explosive. He's not a quick foot athlete. He catches the ball well. Anybody's an exceptional pass blocker. He really really has a good feel and

awareness how and again, that's a running back. If I was talking about a guard, I think you'd really really happy. But this is a running back. And there were several snaps where he was able to pick up this guy and save his quarterback from being hit. And I think there's something. There was some squareness to his game. There's some toughness there. He had a touchdown the Alabama game where he made the safety miss. But he's really not

that elusive. He's really steady. He's a straight ahead runner and ball care He's not going to make many cuts. He'll run hard, he'll finish. But the whole thing is like his pass blocking and his catching ability is the way that you know that he's going to try and make in this league. They did put him out wide in the Georgia game and they had to pick six off it. They threw the ball in his direction and he came back to the ball and then they just

they hammered it and took it back. So you know, we'll see thirty visit for the Alice one invite of the Combine right now, so they're probably getting a physical on him that time. Speed is a four to six four by the way, tends to play that way. He So just these are some of the totals that he had this year running the football. Fourteen carries, one hundred and four yards. That was this best game of the year.

That was against Florida Atlantic out of conference USA the business against South Florida seven of twenty two Alabama he went ten of eighty six, which was his second best game. They were in the ball. Well Florida did that game overall too long, but forty five yards against Tennessee twenty two against Kentucky LSU, he had eight yards on four carries along of seven, so that means three of us carries to come by five thousand yards rush against Florida.

That sure did. Yeah, So I mean Basically you're looking at the stats, you're looking at the film, and whenever he's in the ball game, they're throwing and they're maybe going to throw it to him out of the backfield. If they're gonna run the football, Damon Pierce is in the backfield. I mean they go to Damien Pears and let him kind of show the explosiveness and so fullback. I mean, is he in that conversation right? Yeah, it's like two pounds, you got to bulk it up if

you're gonna do something like that. I just dave he plays running back. He showed us. Yeah, so he just kind of if you ball, he'll run. If you don't, you won't kind of a running back, you know which I do think it's this and and maybe it's it's not this guy. Like I'm I'm not gonna focus too much on a Day three they'll take a fifth to sixth round round dude. I wrote about this yesterday. Like their track record over the last decade is they let it get deep into Day three. I mean that looks good.

Not counting Ezekiel Elliott, who they obviously drafted with a very specific plan in place that ironically never came to fruition. But they drafted Joseph Randal in the fifth round. They drafted Darius Jackson in the sixth, they drafted Bo Scarborough in the seventh. They drafted Mike Webber in the seventh like it. And Tony Pollard was Day three as well, but a fourth round pick. But it's gonna be a Day three guy, Like obviously I wouldn't be. These are

the types of aspects guys. That's okay, it might be that guy. Yeah, that's again, Like especially the later you get in the draft, the less I personally care about the names on the list. You could take one, but I just want to be on record. I kind of like Rico Dowdle. He was pretty as a kid player. I just wanted he was an undrafted guy. Yeah, on the cheap. I don't want to speak out of turn

because the guy too. Hip injuries. Hip injuries scare me well, but I mean, by all, by all indications, I think he's doing fine. Shaw Allana Lua as well. Yes the way, tell me more about a Mari Barno, the edge rusher out of Virginia Tech. Oh you want to concise one, Brian to go through all the notes, you're gonna tell me the ron Wolf he can't play. No, no, no, okay, I'll tell you can't play. I'm gonna kind of tell

you can't play. I was about to say, Amari Barno is uh six four and a half two hundred and forty six pounds and my guy runs a four to three six. That's a Mari Barno and that's the scouting report. I think he is his measurables, and that's good enough to be drafted. If you are six four and a half with long arms and you run a four three six, that is enough that a coaching staff is going to

pick you. I don't think that the tape is good, like there are moments where I forget which no, I don't forget, which you may just look at it North Carolina game running outside of the right and it's just this giant dude that when he gets off a block makes a tackle for loss. The tackle radius looks big because he's so long. I think he's a limited player, But six five running four three six, you're getting draft.

It's funny. My exact scouting report. Long and lanky edge rusher looks skinny for the position, but his speed off the edge helps him with that. He's got an explosive first step with which helps him gain leverage over some stronger offensive lineman. But he's sloppy in his footwork and in his form, lots of wasted body movement and amount a ton of awareness with what's happening in the backfield. But he takes good angles whenever he has to get to the outside. He might not. He might just be

running four three. So that's true. Maybe you're right. Physically, it's a great looking player, doesn't play like one. Yep, with a professional coach, maybe six four and a half. No, I mean six runs a four three. I personally think it's more fun when it's a flawed player. It's yeah, link, his link is impressive, but again he just doesn't have

the power. There's snaps where he tends to lose the ball and the awareness, and I think that shows because he gets too tight up with the blocker and he needs to get his hands quicker and better used to free himself. I mean, he doesn't always went off the edge, and I think that's a problem for him. So you know, to me, I mean, I thought I watched the Notre Dame game at Notre Dame, North Carolina, Boston College. I watched three games of this guy, and I was like,

please show me more than you're just good looking. Please show me more than any more than you know. And Notre Dame game, I thought he played better, but the other ones up to it like they blocked him pretty well. It's just a guy that somebody reaches on. Somebody looks at him and says, you know what, I can fix him if he ran a better three cone. Yeah, So he comes out, he runs the straight line speed and then he goes to the three cone and just completely lets that one fly out. No, you don't bend as

well as somebody who runs like you should. Yeah, four or five, I'm trying to Yeah, that was a short shuttle. That was a shuttle. Okay, Yeah, I don't have his three cone from his prote which means that he probably didn't run it. Let me see, I've got those ATP sheets. Let me see if I can tell you what he did. Just talk him on yourselves. Where do you guys have

him graded? Sixth round? Fifth? Yeah? Fifth? Yeah, a late draft pick that you were throwing after his the traits, it's traits, it's speaking that's that's where that's where you're at. If you're in. If I'm not, I'm not saying I'm in. But if you're gonna like it, if you're no, if you're gonna do that, that's the position where you should. Yeah, you should absolutely like if you're just like this guy is not great, but maybe he'll turn into something at

edge rusher. Hell yeah, my pass rusher that I want to take a maybe even a third or fourth round flyer on. And maybe somebody else is gonna like his tape a lot better than I do. But Brandon Smith, the Penn State linebacker, we talked about him last week. Wish you were here, oh, because I think that he looks like talking about him, I just think he looks

like he's never played football before. And he's not a late flyer though, But well fire him in the third okay, because if they didn't, and you let me use a Day three pick in the fourth round, I would pick a linebacker and I would tell him, hey, guess what you're about to learn how to play edge. You're gonna go after the quarterback. You're big, you're strong, you're long,

you're athletic. You don't look like you know what you're doing back there, the iron step up here the MP that it would be a linebacker from Penn State, of all places that you would be asking to do that. Yeah, I just don't think he's there at one twenty nine.

If he is, though, we could have that conversation because I like that idea with him because he's so out of control and you don't want him in space sixty three and a half two fifty pounds, thirty four and a half inch arms and runs a four or five two. I gotta say, man, I don't like the idea of using a fourth round pick on a guy that you gotta teach how to play football. That sounds kind of

I gotta teach her how to play football. I just got to teach him how to whoop that dude in front of you, which you could play an edge is not really playing downhill? Was his best tread? I'll let the Marcus Lawrence. No, his shuttle was a four four h in a four three six from Pro Day is what they have him at for Barno. Yeah, yeah, So I mean, and I'm looking I think I'm looking at the right thing. U T ten to eleven on the product they have him projected, and I get these sheets

from the pro days. The league projects this guy's a second round player. I mean that's they're they're talking about, this guy's a second round player. Does it have a three cone on that? I don't think he ran it. I'm gonna make sure no, he doesn't. He does not have the three cone. No, So we're to make up whatever you want. We're thinking. We're thinking day three, Yes, pretty firmly. Yes, Okay, we'll wrap this up. We are going over time. I don't care at all. One last one,

Samori Toure, the Nebraska receiver. What do you got? Bryan has his tape? I don't super productive Brian. I mean he was a transfer from the FCS to the Yeah Montana. Yeah, actually yeah, part of the grizz We moved up the ranks. Yeah, he was kind of that big slot role for them. Him kind of went back and forth, played outside, played a little bit inside. Good tape. I mean he actually showed out pretty well against the bigger teams like the

Michigan's in the Ohio States. Yeah, he did Ohio State Northwest, I mean Northwest, and he killed him. He set a playoff record for Montana against Southwest Louisiana for yards and he's got outstanding time speed. He's six one, he's one ninety one. Four four two is his speed. You could see a guy could really really get up to field when he has free access. But there's snaps where you see, even like the double moves and stuff can get him open. I thought he tracked the ball pretty well. The body

control was good. He wasn't blessed with the best passers when you know, but he always have found a way to adjust to the ball, and I thought that was pretty impressive. He could catch the ball on the move, he could take it inside. I thought he was a good finisher. But there's some toughness as of ball carrier as well, and they use him on some options stuff like that. I'm looking right now where I put him on this board or on my board, and I had him and the fifth round is what I had him.

I have him as my highest graded non combine invite, and so I have him in the fourth like late fourth. But I'm right there with you. I like some of the stuff he does. Good route runner, great hands. Honestly, I think his hands are phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, of course, by phenomenal's terms. I'm not talking top one hundred hands, but he's he's got good hands, and he's somebody that I think could be a perfect developmental receiver. He's somebody

that will come in, he'll play on special teams. He'll he'll be physical, he'll do a bunch of things for you on the back end, kind of like a Noah Brown, where he will do the fundamental side of things and then he'll come in and maybe make a flash play here and there. I'd rather have the tech guy that we talked about last week and in Zookama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got his name right. Yeah, I would rather. I would rather have him than I would this guy. I

just say, I love with nine picks. I love the idea. I would love to double up at receiver, just like they did with Gallup and Cedric Wilson. You saw. I mean, you spend a fifth or sixth round pick on a receiver. He's not going to be anything meaningful for you right away, but you see the value in what developing a guy like that can do. Any final thoughts, anybody, I just look because I haven't really gotten down to six round receivers,

but when you're saying that. I was like, sure, give me George Pickens and then give me wan Dale Robinson. Let's just have a lot of fun. I don't know, I keep seeing I think he's a higher pick than that. Probably, I think you're looking more like myself, like a Dontario Drummond down in Miami, Ohio, or like a Reggie Roberson out of SMU. Maybe those guys are the later guys. Give me give me a two and a five, and I semi phijokos here as well. I understand that, but

I'm fine. I'm perfectly fine continuing to churn the depth at that position. Gentlemen, this was really fun as always, I think the fastest hour in radio. See how you ended. Fortunately, we'll be back on Thursday, and you're not gonna throw me off my game you did for Jeff, Brian and Kyle. I'm Dave. This is in the Draft Show. We'll see y'all next time. Thanks for listening. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.