Draft Show: Surprises Early, Pet Cats & More

Senior Bowl starts practices on Tuesday. We are that close already there Senior Bowl time, and we're going to preview the Senior Bowl today a little bit as well. It's episode number two. We've got Brian brought us in the house. Ayesha Morrison. No Bobby Belt today, We'll see him on Wednesday next week. But I'm Yemen's everybody doing okay, doing super yeah, super just yeah. You know. I mean, when it's funny how you transition from one thing the other.

You're you go from worried about opponents to now evaluating players, now getting ready for the Senior Bowl, now thinking about how you're going to get to the combine all these things you kind of in your mind you start to the draft season comes fast and furious. You're gonna, like you said, it's ninety one days, we're gonna wake up, it's gonna be twenty one days, and you know we're gonna have to kind of figure all this thing out. But that's the great thing I always love about this journey,

I do. I love this journey so much when it comes to the draft. I love the evaluation of players. I love team building. I've told everybody, guys, this would be the best job in the world if you never had to play games, if you never had you never had a just hey, let me draft players, let me build my team, let me kind of get everything organized, and then we'll see who has the best team on paper.

But they don't let you do that. Whenever I was a kid, and I'm dating myself in the opposite way here, But there was a video game head coach, NFL head coach at Bilkwer on the front, okay, and you didn't actually play the games. It was by the EA Sports, it was by Bill Baker's a Madden. It was all team building, all teams. It was awesome. Yeah, it was

so fun. It was. It was based around the two thousand and five draft and had like Reggie Bush, Matt Liner, Vince Young, and you kind of took that and you kind of team built off of that. So yeah, there you go. That was Brian's favorite favorite video game. I never played it, but I actually in two thousand and five, I was my That was my last draft in the NFL with the Cowboys, and that was the DeMarcus Ware and that draft and Chris Canny and Jay Ratliffe, Marcus Spirit.

I mean that that was that one was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun, and once you played the games out of that one, it weren't turned out well for you. Yeah, there you go. You ended up in the Hall of Famer. So, Aisha, I got a text message from you last night. Would you like to address it with with everybody here that you have a new pet cat that you want to talk about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you're gonna change your pet cat. Yeah, my pet cat

subsequently is not going into the draft this year. That's okay, very depressing, but that's okay. Let him go. I think I've done that two of the last three years where I've brought up a player and somebody's looked at me and said, hey, he actually didn't come out. Yeah, that's okay. It happens. It happens. It does happen. I mean the way the players, I'll tell you what with the COVID situation, the way it is, you know, with the players getting

extra years and stuff like that. I know myself at the last couple of times that I mean, we're working with Dane, Dane's Dane would just casually go, he's going back, He's going as you just as you just kind of just gave one of the best scouting reports you've ever given about a player, and then you know, I'm looking across the table ladder, I'm thinking this guy, I need to check this cat out here for sure, But no

I did. It's funny because I did look at some Boston college film last night, and Zay Flowers looks for real, I'll do. Okay, if you're if you're watching Boston college tape, you know, sometimes you'll be watching tape on a particular player and then somebody else will start flashing and then you have to go and look up who that player is and wait, who is this guy? Yeah? Who is who is that guy? So anyway, but yeah, hey, it happens.

It doesn't again, especially with the way that these these junior seniors, redshirt sophomores, I mean COVID year, COVID COVID years throwing because a lot of guys, a lot of guys are saying, no, I'm going back in il money. That's also how all of a sudden, guys that you were like, they were coming out, coming out, No, we're gonna stay. So that clearly clearly happens. As week there was even a rumor that C. J. Stroud was going to stick back because of a multimillion dollars in I

L deal. I don't think that's happening, but those guys at Florida were trying to get him to come instead of that thirteen in our quarterback Anthony I can't remember his last name, but yeah, the Arizona Quarterbacks of California quarterback whatever it was. Yeah, So do you have a new pet cat to replace some wins so that way we can kind of keeping to keep keep tabs. Okay, So, as of right now, I think it's gonna be my

my guy, the corner that I'm so intrigued by. Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah, Civil State, Yeah, I think it might be him for right now until I go a little bit further. I was looking at a lot of linebackers. Just that's not a bad plan. Seriously, if you if you think about you know, as you look at this football team and you know the draft show, we try to be the

one stop shot. Yeah, I mean, we don't discriminate if you're a Jacksonville Jaguar fan or you're we're trying to you know what are we always talking about investigating educating around here. So yeah, but if you're if you're a Cowboys centric like we are a little bit right now. Yeah, looking at linebackers. If you, by the way, if you find one you really really like, let me know because that's kind of a that's been kind of a little bit of a challenge. I think early in this evaluation process.

I've only got one guy. I've watched one, two, three, seven linebackers, and I've only got one guy that I truly would buy in on, and it's Trenton Sampson Clemson Simpson. Yeah, Clemson linebacker. Who I mean, I don't even know if he's a first round grade. He's probably going to be a second round grade for me at some point. So not a great class. Now there's value in the second and third rounds. You talk about top one hundred guys, there's plenty of guys like Noah Sul out of Oregon.

That was a guy who kind of picked off a little bit. That's the one. Noah Sul Oregon is the one that I've had conversations with a lot of scouts about because you want to sit there and the obviously the brother of Pennysul, who was highly drafted, touted offensive tackle out of Oregon. We'll deserve his brother. I think is a little hit and miss for me right now when you watch him play, and so to me, I'm kind of like, Okay, I love the physicality, I love

the downhill player. There's some things about him in coverage I think that are pretty good. I just don't know overall putting it everything together there with him. And we talked about this a little bit yesterday with wide receivers, but it's the same thing with linebackers. There's good prospects. Yeah, there are guys that will come in and play a role for your football team. However, there's a lot of guys with question marks. There's a lot of guys that

are broken or not. Okay, I hate using that term for a draft player, but just somebody with a little bit of a knock against their stock. That's the whole linebacker. Ye yeah, literally, I was That's what I was looking at. I was trying to see wish guys could cover a little bit, you know, run block how they should. I was just trying to get an idea of because I feel like, now we saw the forty nine ers game, a lot of a lot of offensive coordinators will go

at your linebackers and covers. Now it is a very common thing to find that favorable matchup, so you have you're looking for you I personally think you do want a guy with that versatility. So I'm I've kind of been looking around. I liked kind of like the overshown I know that was one of your guys. I kind of looked at him and fell a really good prospect, But I wouldn't put him. I mean, he's probably gonna be like a top sixty player. He's not gonna be

a top ten, top twelve player. What about the see I'm you know, listen, I lived in Nia. What's a college And what about you know the guy from my load, Jack Campbell? What do you think about him? See. I haven't seen Jack Campbell saw. I'm interested to see. I know on people's list they talk about you know, they talk about him is probably being somewhere between the third and fourth linebacker potentially coming off the board. So I I but you know, when you look at the measurables.

The thing about the Iowa linebackers, they do have a history. You know, Josie Jewel and it plays at Denver. I remember him watching him several years ago. And here's a guy that was, you know, was downhill player around the ball, great tackler, some some limitations as coverage, but could really really run. Iowa has done a good job of putting players in NFL. It doesn't always equate to Big Ten championships, but they do do a good job with that. They've

done tight ends, they've done offensive linemen, linebackers. It's a school. You definitely have the fundamentals. They're so fundamentally sound. And I note I knew some guys I played there and stuff when I was in college. But with this gentleman in particular, he just gets the little things about linebacker or Jack Campbell. Yeah from Iowa. There you got um um. But he should then tackles well. But really the biggest thing for me is like seeing him in coverage. I'm

not I'm having gotten around. I think I got about three more to get through um out of this eight that I've been looking at. But I think in coverage, this guy may be the better coverage linebacker I've seen so far to really carry people and know what he's looking at, like nowhere, even in zones. He knows where to sit, he knows how to eight. He can read well, and I think that's something like we talked about what iowa.

It's just the fundamentals, Like he may not they may not be the most athletic or whatever flashy, but you're gonna get a guy that's teachable and definitely understands the basics of the position. That's kind of what you're looking for. If he's going to be direct in traffic. I'll tell you what. She makes a great point because we saw firsthand.

If you know getting you're a Cowboy fan and your watch or you're a fan of the un know you watch the game last week with the Cowboys in the in the forty nine ers, you saw what really good linebacker play. You know you saw you saw what Fred Winner. When we were talking about Fred Warner coming out of BYU, one of the first things, like I used just talking about when the first things you saw about Fred Warner was at BYU. He can carry her outs, you know

he can. It's not just about you know, just about the time. It's about doing everything. It's about never coming off the field as a linebacker, not being a liability. And so yeah, it's if you could find the guy that doesn't come off the field, can tackle, can be physical to point of attack, but also carryer outs and have the awareness and the understanding of what's going on around him, you probably need to draft that guy. You're probably gonna have to look at the Big ten too,

because you look at the Big Ten. You got Wisconsin that always turns out linebackers. They've got another one this year and Nate or Nick Herbig, who's gonna be a good, good player out of this draft class. Big ten linebackers tend to carry that on them, the strength of the the physicality, the IQ. They all tend to have that, or at least the good ones through that come into the draft. I have a question for you too, I wish baby

was here. Do y'all think y'all think that Michael Parsons of the world are not ruining, but just altering how people view what you need to have in a linebacker, because even with overshown like they're, they're making them all around. Guy, I feel like there's another linebacker I saw in here. There was like, oh, well he was he was a d N and then they moved in a linebacker. Now he's doing all this stuff. Do y'all feel like, you know, just kind of how the hybrid linebacker is that look

you're looking for. Do you think that's kind of changing what people how people value some of these linebackers now. I think it's the way that the four and tell me if you think otherwise, No, yeah, I think it's the way that teams run multiple fronts now are changing the way you look at linebackers. Yeah, for the most part, because you're not just a traditional three four front. Dan Quinn, if you ask him on the other side of the building, he's gonna say, we run a three four, we run

a four to three. But there's not that's not the case. You're gonna run both of those fronts, maybe on the same drive. So having a versatile linebacker like that is kind of that that winner take all piece. He's the one that can be the fluctuation to where the other six guys in your front seven aren't necessarily having to do too much or having to do multiple jobs along the way. Yeah, I challenge anybody to show me Micah Parsons rushing the passer at Penn State other than a

blitzer exactly. You know, that's what I'm saying. I mean, if you know, and and scouts will tell you, and I trust me all these guys and gals around the league that I've worked with through my life. You know, I was asking him, did you guys see Parsons as a pass rusher? Nope? And they're like, nope, nope, nope. We saw him as a blitzer. We saw him as a two hundred and forty five pound just attack the middle of the pocket guy, run, run stunts inside, make

things happen. You know, he didn't play the COVID year, sat out that whole year, so the last thing you watched him is playing against Memphis and the Cotton Bowl, and you see. But but to your point, Asha, there's a player in this draft and it might be one of the top linebackers Drew Sanders from Arkansas. He's a transying kid. He transferred from Alabama. And so the thing about when you watch Drew Sanders play, you will see him playing coverage. You will see him play the run.

You'll see him get off blocks, and you'll see him put his hand on the ground and rush and create create problems in the pocket. So to your point, this is why a guy like Drew Sanders from Arkansas is going to be somebody that somebody coverts because of all the things that you just talked about, the ability to tackle, ability to cover, and oh, by the way, you could put him down. He's six five, he's two thirty three. He's gonna have to grow a little bit, maybe more.

But there is some traits to him as that edge rusher, even some of the d ns. Even some of the dns like you'll he like I was looking listening to some of the coaches talk about them. He could play some mouts on linebacker, and I'm like, dang, like this is a new thing, Like if you're gonna have to do multiple it feels like a lot of these, you know, defensive jobs especially are like, hey, you got to be able to play the edge. We might need you to

drop and cover. Sometimes he might need you to And that's like I said, I just feel like that's more than it seems more common right now than it was before. Well, they always we always laugh about position flex. Yeah, we

always say. I mean when every time that Jerry Jones to me says position flex, I thought initially it was a really kind of cool buzzword, and then a position flex to me sometimes now means he's really not good enough at two position or in one position, so now you have to But to your point, also Will McDonald, who's a guy at the Senior Bowl this year, I was saying, Iowa State now sixty three, two hundred and

thirty six pounds, guy could be a rusher. Sometimes you get these linear built, these thin, long, you know, guys that aren't two hundred and ninety two pounds or two hundred and eighty two pounds or playing defensive end. You get these lighter bodied guys and you could the Kansas State kid that we talked about yesterday. Yeah, these these guys that have that ability to if you plugged him in and you said, let's say a team that primary is what they call an odd front or a three

to four front. Then you're you're talking about these guys at two thirty six, two forty four that play stand up outside linebacker listed as but they're really your primary pass rusher, is what they are. It provides versatility without being pigeonholed into being a flex guy. Yeah, because, like you said, if Zack Martin is probably your best left tackle, right tackle, left guard, right guard, and center, but you're not going to move him off of right guard because

that's his position. That's his position, but position flex if you need it. Tyler Smith, who's been good at tackle, is also good at guard. It doesn't mean he's the best at one of the other. There might be To me, there might be a thing with Tyler Smith. And I don't know if you guys agree about this. Going back to Tyler and I think I think he's shown better as a tackle than he has a guard. And they initially thought that he was going to be a guard.

That's where they were, That's where they were kind of looking at that spot. So to me, as the season went along, the player developed into the position to point where like I don't know if I'm too sure about playing him at guard anymore. It looks like to me, like a legitimate left tackle. Yeah, he's gonna. I think he's gonna play a lot of left tackle for this

Cowboys franchise. May not be next year. They may throw him back at the guard and let tyr and get back to the left tackle if he returns, but at some point in the future, Tyler Smith will be your left tackle. That's what's going to happen with him moving forward. All right, let's take our first break when we come back. We've got some twitter on the twenty to get to We got the four questions yesterday. We're gonna try and get to five. Today, we're gonna try and up it

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dot com Draft Show. Back here on the Draft Show, presented by Miller White. As we now go into our second segment, you know what time it is. It's time for some Twitter on the twenty. Chris Beam in the back with a great job. Are you not used to the soundery yet? I can forget it. I've forgot. It's like the colleges that have cannons that come off whenever you score. Yeah, you run into the end zone. Everybody's like yeah, touchdown and it's boom and ghet you out

of nowhere. Happens North Texas. Does it. Yeah, that's the that's the boomer go to all right, Paul asks if Dan Quinn leaves, which of course we don't want to happen, but it possibly could, probably will happen, would there be a change in draft philosophy, philosophy with the lengthy cornerbacks in your secondary because that's one of the things he brought to the table from his time with the Legion of Boom in Seattle. Of course with Atlanta, then he

brings it to Dallas. He likes lengthy corners. Nashan, Right, you throw Israel mcquamu into the mix when he was drafted as well. Does that change if he leaves us? You got something on this one. Do I think it changes if he leaves? Probably? I mean, I don't know, it doesn't. At this point, it don't feel like it matters because we just talked about yesterday. All these corners is lanky looking like it's either way. Um nah, I

personally I feel like that's something again. It just feels like, even in this draft, it feels like something that is not normal. Now. But a lot of these guys are linty even let me see if I can find them I clicked out, I'm on accent, my bad. Y'all still

stay organized? Go ahead. No, I kind of feel like that to me, It's it depends on who if the coordinator change comes from with outside, if all of a sudden they go out and get uh, you know, they go out and get one of these these coaches that we you know, I mean, I don't know, a non internal yeah like that, you know, the Vic Fangio's somebody. I don't know if you're going to see a completely

different scheme change. But if you go outside, yeah, sometimes you know Rod Marinelli when he was here, it was it was about the inside players. It was about the quick guy at the three. It was about you know, oh, we don't want uh, you know, we we don't want you know, he played with a shorter corner with Ronde Barber at you know, at Tampa Bay. I mean there's there's guys christ there's guys that were that didn't want to play with certain length of players or it didn't

fit their eye or fit their scheme. I think I issue is right about this. If you're gonna draft a corner in this draft, you're probably gonna draft one that has some link to it regardless of whether you like

it or not, those first and second rounds. Yeah, and you're looking at these corners and the and the ones, and especially with the way that these receivers in the league now catch the ball and extend, you gotta have you know, you can't be hitting especially these tight ends that catch the ball too that you might have to match up against. So you don't want to keep slapping people on the wrist. You want to be able to

have the link to get over to the ball. So I don't think that will change for this organization out of the guys that you've seen so far, because real quick, I think Will McClay, I think Will McClay hit the philosophy he has about it. I think that will always be the standard that they have here with those guys. Oh that's okay. So that's interesting because then that goes back to Kelvin Joseph. He's not a long, lengthy corner.

He was drafted in the first draft. Dan Quinn was here, right, So is that a conversation with the front office that stays the same? I think here, I think that it's one of those things that will whoever they hire, they're going to want to hire somebody that's not gonna want to come in and totally overhaul everything that they're going to do on defense when it comes to the personnel that they have on the defense. Well, I'm just throwing

a name out there. If Al Harris is elevated to to defensive coordinator, do you think it stays the same? Probably long, lengthy cap, yeah, absolutely, kind of what he works with, work with Will Well, Yeah, Joe Witt, same thing, Yeah, same thing. It's the dan Quinn you know, it's that dan Quinn philosophy there. Who was who kind of fits that mold the best out of the guys you've seen so far a corner, I think, well, he's kind of

high up on the board. But Devin Witherson Yeah, okay, God, senior Bowl guy tackles Will Um tackles Will on the edges. I feel like he's Illinois by the way, so active, Yes, Illinois, Yes, Devin with the room from Illinois. Bad but he's very active.

I like his play on the ball. He tracks the Ah well, I feel as well, you got this guy, so I feel like he fits Um fits that that mode we talk about having that length, but he's not just like Um just like dude from Issue, he's not he looks lanky, but he's he's strong like he's strong like they think their center, their cores are strong given how they play on the at the line of scrimmage.

But also too, when you're talking about the length, I think that's also helping some of these guys jamming at the line of scrimmage and in hand fighting and stuff like that, being able to play through, not you know, play through some of these receivers that are really physical. Because I think this, I also feel like some of these wide receivers coming out, even though they're not shooper shop, they they're physical at the line of scrimmage, and and

I think that these corners bowl well for that. Yeah. The really the shortest guy that we're going to see in this draft, I believe that I've seen right now is Clark Phillips from Utah. He's around a five ten guy. But I Issu's right. Every one of these guys are right. That six foot six one Ring from Georgia is a is a six two guys a little bit more broad like Jalen Jones whether from Texas, A and M he's six two two oh five there's people that think that he might be a better safety than he might be

a corner. So yeah, there's there's some guys with this link. We mentioned Christian Gonzalez from Oregon six two two oh one. You know that's that's what you're looking at right now. Forbes from from Mississippi State, who Asia likes as a pet cat guy, who's a really, really good player. I mean, seriously, you draft him. You got a guy that's a fighter, six foot one eighty. Now, that's the thing about it, there's there's really other than the other than the Utah Kid.

Most of these corners I've seen so far, the top ones have got linked to him. Have you watched DJ Turner yet him? How do you think about him? I tell you what I was when let me slip back. I thought there was really an ease of movement to his game. He's not gonna let receivers get away from I thought he was more of a nickel than he was really a true outside out side guy. And maybe it's a little bit like you know what we've seen in Jordan Lewis, another Michigan player from back in the day.

But you know, I think that he is like I say, the movement, the size, his ability to get his hands on the receiver, the position, the route. You know, I think he might have a little trouble with dealing with strong guys, But overall though, I think his best trade is that movement and the ability to play the ball. So he's a senior player, by the way, from Michigan. So that's a guy that's playing a lot of big games,

played a lot of snaps. There's something to that, you know, We're seeing it now with Brock Purty at San Francisco. Four year starter gets all those opportunities, goes in and plays well. There's a value in that, especially in positions where it takes a lot of IQ play. Let's be honest. Kelvin Joseph didn't play a lot of snaps at LSU Nordity, you know, and now we're all sitting there thinking like, well, why is he not very good? Or you know, what's

the struggles. Didn't play a lot of snaps in college, which is why I'm not even though I'm kind of sick about my pick returning, I'm just while you look at some of I was talking to people yesterday on Twitter, and a lot of people are like Yeah, my favorite guys returning too, and so for that reason, Yeah, that's

why I'm not too down on catch you next year. Yeah, that are deciding to come back a second year well to finish their season because they may want to just be shoring up their craft, and who are we to say they can't do that? Our twenty twenty four draft show is going to be full of that Boston College guard. It's gonna happen there, all right. Next question comes from Cannonball Cowboy. What a name for what free agent departures from the Dallas Cowboys would generate the most draft need

come April? As? What do you think on that one Tater Tots? Which one tight end, offensive tackle, offensive guard, Connor mcgoverned, Tarren Steele or both Terry Steals are restricted free agent? He's probably coming back. You know, it's crazy. I think I'm gonna say, how long did you sign Malee Cooker? I might say safe. I think he's got one more year, He's got one more Yeah, I'll double check, but I want to say he's here till next year. I mean, but Donovan Wilson's in that class, that class,

and he's important. I know that J round curses coming back. But after your starters, who's proven over there? You know what, maybe you attack safety. Yeah, safety could be a possibility, you know. I always we talked about corners earlier. What about running back? If in fact that you lose Pollard and you move on from Zeke? You know, and I'm not and I'm not. This is not the let's let's champion v Jean Robinson talk again. I'm just saying for a running back position maybe, and I'm not. It doesn't

have to be at twenty six, second, third round. Whatever you want to draft, you're gonna have some likely some compensatory picks. Grab a guy then. But if you lose, if you lose Pollard to free agency and you need to move on for because you need cap space because of Zeke's contract, then I think you're probably looking at what's going to happen at offensive tackle as well. You okay, you got Ball, you got well, let's go. But neither one of them really really proven. I think they liked

what's well, let's go better than Ball from what we saw. Ball, Well, this will be his third year now, So do you look at that offensive line? Do you look at it? Possibly a center you know, do you look at a possible guard. It could be along the offensive line for sure. What about the wide receiver. We've mentioned that as well.

This team for being twelve and five and being get into the second round of the playoffs, there are things that you absolutely it's perfect because to me, you've got to keep an open mind when you go in the draft. Don't pigeonhole yourself into it's like, oh, we've got to have a corner here, gotta have a defensive in here, gotta have no Let the board come to you in a lot of ways and you'll be able to pick

those players off as you need them. And if you have to use draft capital, move up a couple of spots because you have an extra compensatory pick, which we talked about you can trade. Keep that open mind, keep the positions open. I worked for a Hall of Fame general manager in Green Bay, Ron Wolf. He says, Brian, if you feel like you're really good at a position, go ahead and add another player, because it always works out for you, and it always works. I think they've

done a good job of that recently. I'm going into free agents to protect himselves, not spending a ton of money that's the thing. Fans want to see the money flow, and they're like the name. It's not the big names. Yeah, they're not going out and getting the Bobby Wagners of the world in last year's free agency just for Miller, yeah Von Miller. They're not doing that, but they are covering their bases yep. So that way whenever the draft

comes around, they're able to do that. I'm gonna say linebacker to answer that question though, because you've got Lvy, Anthony Barr, Luke Effort, all unrestricted free agents. Look at you open it up the show with linebacker talk all line. It's stressed us out at the beginning of the sea I think like this is most of the conversations we're even having or things that they were just over to over they were able to overcome, as you were saying,

Brian through the season. But I also too, I might I might go DT, I might go because I mean, you have Hankins, but I mean and also you know, Carlos Watkins I felt like really came along. He was a good guy to bring back both unrestricted free agents. But Neville Galla Morris here don't necessarily know how once you're getting from him right now, sure, m quite honestly, and then Bohanna was injured up and down this year. I do I think I did see some good things

from him at some points. But that might be a position that you want to go ahead and address because Hankin showed you what a knows how different your defensive line looks when there's a true nose in there. Help help Vanders absolutely so. Even when you talk about your linebackers, if you are going to draft a linebacker, you got a young one coming in here, you might want to

have a DT in there as well. That's a good, very good linebackers right now under contract, Devin Harper, Daman Clark, Tabille Cox, Davante Bond, and then I guess you could throw Michael Parsons in there too. But that's that's your guys, that's your linebacking corps right now as we stand. That's what it is. We had a point to where were not I aint gonna say that what we had a

point to where we do we can shop? I mean, he Mike's technically a linebacker, and he plays some linebacker, but at this point do we include him in the depth part When you talk about drafting because I don't want to waste You don't want to not pick the lineback because you're going to keep him as No, you're that you need to grab a line you build a round Mica. That's that, and Mica is doing what he's doing right now. So exactly, Tristan asked most unlikely position

group that they could draft in the first round. Brian, what's the most unlikely but still realistic, most likely position or unlikely position group? Running back? That's it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because nobody wants them to draft a

first round linebacker back, but a lot of people. But at twenty six, at twenty six, I guarantee when we stack our boards, we're gonna have between eighteen and twenty two first round grades, you know, and then and then okay, player twenty three, twenty four, twenty five or all second round grades. So really, if and realistically though, I have a feeling that if Again, I'm not trying to have

Bjean Robinson talk. I'm just saying, remember a few years ago with the Cede Lamb thing, when they were looking at Chason from l shoe As and everybody was Chase on, Chase on Chase on Chase fitted a need, and all of a sudden they looked up on their board and Ceedee Lamb was still sitting there, and somebody in the room decided Jerry Jones, will McClay. You know, whoever decide Cedee Lamb is still on that board, you know. And so the one thing I've learned is never a window

dress your board. If you think that a running back is the top, is one of your top put him where you're gonna put him where you think he needs to be. But that's a position that if they, if they get, if they if they don't, if they move on from Zeke and they and they and they don't resign Tony Pollard, you're gonna need something there. Now. Again, it's at twenty six. It's not like you're taking one at four. You're taking one at twenty six. So to me,

that's a position. Could let me ask you this, could one of those quarterbacks slide down there that you would consider taking a quarterback at twenty six? Oh lordy, I will no, but I'm but you gotta have the conversation. It's the same thing if will last, I just you've ask if you ask me the question a position that

you probably wouldn't take. But and the Cooper rush is understricted. Yea, you know, I mean to me, do you start the journey if a quarterback's like when you're at the when you're at the bottom of the board, you're kind of at the mercy of the board, but you're the safest thing to do is take the best player on your board. Jordan Love was taken by Green Bay at twenty four overall a couple of years ago. He's probably gonna be the starter in green Bay next year. Yeah. See, that's

what that happens. It does there's positions that and I think there's and this is not a slam at Dak, but Derek now questions that more people, people who defended Dak throughout this whole thing, are starting to say, hmm, there's a little bit of pause there. So if if all of a sudden, you've evaluated one of these quarterbacks and they've you know, they've it's it's an not Aaron Rodgers, you would hope it was Aaron Rodgers. When he know Ted Thompson, my buddy at green Bay, god brest his soul.

Ted Teddy's like he was going to take a defensive end from Florida State, Aaron Rodgers sitting on the board. He's got Brett Farve kind of in a situation where he's getting a little older. I don't know, Ted. He's like, he tells the scouts in the room, he goes, we gotta take this quarterback, don't we boys, And they go, yeah,

let's go hand the card in here we go. So that's you know, that's the kind of thing you can't just limit yourself to the same We've got to have a corner here, We've got to have a defensive tackle. We've got it. I think they got in trouble with that when they took Taco Charlton. You know, they looked at it and they're like, okay, Tack McKinley. You know, They're they're looking at all these defensive ends, and I'm like, well, we gotta have a defensive end. Gotta have a defensive end.

Gotta have a defensive end, you know, And all of a sudden, you take him and it's like, mah, you know, there's other positions you probably could have taken. I mean, now you look at it, it's that way. But I think you have to be open to any opportunities that can help your football team get better, not only now but in the future. What do you think to tight end? Okay, the next question was GC asked what what what difference would a dynamic tight end make? So probably would make

a big difference pound the two of them. Nay, might might make a big difference. But when you're asking the questions like what's more likely, you know, you know what what? What position is less likely to get picked? I think the Cowboys think they can give value from the tight end position later down in the draft. Also too, you. I mean, you got Peyton Hendershot undrafted this year and he showed you some good things. So I think from how they evaluate, they may not feel the need to

go tight end so early. So that would be me. Is there anybody that you like a tight end early? Have you watched I haven't even started getting I haven't. I haven't watched a single tight end. So the unlikely side of things is correct because I haven't seen one yet. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, with with what's going on with Schultz and us not knowing. Yeah, the idea is just to make things a little easier for your quarterbacks. Well, last tight end will be nice. Yeah, I think I've been.

That's one of a position. I've actually seen quite a few. Okay, what you got, teacher, teach us, teach us. Let me get down to where I've looked at these guys are and tell you who I've looked at. I've looked at Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. Uh Luke Musgrave from Oregon State. By the way, he is a senior Bowl guy. I've looked at Darnel Washington from Georgia. He's six seven, two hundred and eighty pounds. He's like a tackle playing tight end.

This guy is master one number zero, right, Yeah, one number zero Man Dalton Dalton Kincaide from Utah is a is a really good player. Tuckle Tucker Craft from South Dakota State six five, two fifty three. This is actually a really really good tight end group. And I've got I've got about ten more guys that I need. Sam Laporta from Iowa. Iowa's put out tight end after tight end in the league. Right, these are all tight end schools.

Notre Dame. Yeah, I'd say, I don't think you're gonna have a shot at Michael Mayer from Notre Dame Musgrave will be an interesting that's six six two fifty right there. So to me, you know, that's more probably a second round kind of thing. Him, Washington, Kincaid, I they are all. They are all I think really really really good. And you know the thing with with Kincaid, I'll just kind of I think that that that's a possibility there. Super talented route runner. He's a finisher. The ball is in

the air, it's his. He covers some ground with his routes. He's a long strider. He gets in and out of his brakes really really well. Reliable hands, ability to catch in him, he can adjust on the move, big catch radius. That's what you need for these quarterbacks. Man, they're not always accurate. You better have a guy that can catch the football down the field. But he could take the ball and get up the field in a hurry. That's

Dalton Kincaid from Utah. Keep an eye on him. I had his name written down in our next segment, we're given guys that you want to look at it in the Senior Bowl, he was one of those guys I'm really excited to see last year who flashed at the Senior Bowl. Jake Ferguson. Yeah, and you ended up drafting the guy. Yes, so if that's how that happened. But I Esha's right, I don't see them heck in in two thousand and three, we had the first round grade on Jason Witt and we didn't take him to the third.

Maybe it's in this organization's dna. I know they took what the floor from LSU one year in the first round. That didn't work out for him. I think she's right about that though. But if you get down to the point where all of a sudden the tight end is the best player on the board at twenty six, it's no. I mean they almost took a tight end. Uh oh man? What was his name? Kade m from last year Colorado State tight end? What was his name? Was it McDonald

or no? Might hang on, hang on hand on that name. I've got to hear. I've got it. I can't do names anymore when it comes to I can't remember the Colorado State he had he had the Trey McBride. I just got to my list of guys from last year. McBride.

They looked at him really tough. In the second round, they were this close was standing on the table for Trey McBride in the second round forty six from Colorado State, and they ended up going I think he went a couple picks prior to them actually being available on the board, but he was the guy that they wanted in that second round, didn't get him. He went the pick prior to the Cardinals and then they selected Sam Williams to

pick after. So they've looked at it early in the past, got to look at it at some point if especially if Dalton Schultz isn't a round. Last question of Twitter on the twenty Chase asked a couple of mock drafts nationally have had Dallas taking an edge rusher at twenty six. Is there any chance, any chance that that's a big need up front? I'm sorry, I'm in my mind. I'm looking at our depth chart to Marcus Lawrence Micah if you want to throw him into that conversation. You don't

know if you're bringing back foul foulers at free agent. Yeah, yeah, I support. I mean maybe, like Brian said, um, if if somebody's on the board, that's that's gonna help your team. I don't see why not. But it's not. I guess that wouldn't be the first thing that I I think he is like a needed like you need it right now. Yeah, it's probably you're not going to get the will Andersons or the Miles Murphy. Anderson out of Alabama, Murphy out of Clemson. You talk about some of these guys on

the back half. What you don't like? Question? What's up? Y'all? Watched Will Anderson? Right? Yeah? Yeah? I feel like there's so many times I'll watch him and he seems he's not if he's not in the play, he's not interested. Is that me? Am I tripping? We're getting into the du love football conversation already. No, no, no, no, no no no. What I'm saying is is that I feel if the

balls running away. I'm serious, y'all. Like the first couple of games I watched him, I was like, all right, watching Texas game where there was plenty of it was more than one Georgia. It was more than one game. It was when he's locked in. He's locked in. I think he's one of those guys that can turn it on. I think he gets frustrated too, I think so, I think it's okay. I want to make sure I wasn't tripping because I was like, Yo, this dude, he's fantastic

at what he does. He but I just like if he if they're not running to the side, if they're if it's a pass play, Like honestly, he's such a giant human that if he just puts his hands up and he's active in the play, he probably would beat down balls if he's in the because he's in the passing lanes. His arms are long enough. If you give me, if you give me, twenty twenty one, Will Anderson first overall pick, he was the guy. Twenty twenty two, Will

Anderson didn't really do a whole lot for me. He's a good player, don't get me wrong, and the traits are there. He is speedy, he is physically is strong. He's got those broad shoulders, relentless pass rush is one of the notes that I had down. And he can stop the run. But if it's like a one on one battle away from the ball, you're not gonna see the Michael Parsons coming from the opposite side or the DeMarcus Lawrence coming from the opposite side of the formation.

To make a suit, I'm not you know what, you guys are not wrong about that, because no, no, no, I was because I was looking at Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, and I was looking for Miles Murphy from Clemson, you know, and I was bj Laurie from LSU. I was looking at all these guys. I'm thinking, like, man, why is why is Will Anderson looking like these guys? Well, I mean, and I mean that in a way like could you think of Will Anderson just being head and

shoulders above everybody? But there's there's people now as as we dive into this, Will Anderson was kind of going to be the number one well list of a quarterback win. But you know, here's the Bears. They don't need a quarterback. Bears are looking at defensive players. They're looking at the tackle you know from from Georgia as a possibility. Or then could it be Will Anderson. I think it was always going to be a slam dunk, that Will Anderson was going to be this guy. I don't think it's

a slam dunk anymore. No, I don't say I was watching this gentleman. I mean because obviously he's the first first person on his board, and I sat there and watched him, and I said, I for a first round pick, for the to be the number one pick, number one overall, number one overall pick. Rather, I expect it something else. And when I started watching him, maybe I do need to go watch twenty twenty one. I'm still watch watch

the twenty one tape. It's really impressed. It's gonna make me more mad though probably but also to people probably figure out how to play him. Whatever the case. Maybe if if he was taken last year after the twenty one tape, I think he would have been maybe the second or third edge rusher off the board. It would have been Trayvon Walker, and then it would have been right there with Aidan Hutchinson. I don't think he's a top three edge rusher from last year. I think it

would be Walker, Hutchison and then Thibadeau. Then you would see where and there were some there were some serious questions about Hutchinson from Michigan. Last year. He bawled out and he played his I like him, and then he had, of course, of course his breakout game against the Cowboys. He's like, oh, I know how to do everything. I'm like, of course against the Cowboys, you figure it out. Yeah, my bad y'all, I didn't mean to talk about Will

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the Senior Bowl of course down in Mobile, Alabama. Great great eight roster again this year. Looking at super job down there, Jim Naggy and them doing it feel like every year, right, every year it takes a step up to sure, do what what position? Do you feel like he's best represented down in Mobile this year based off of the guys that you've seen and some of the

roster that kind of overlaps. I know, I've written down a lot of defensive players here, you know, from what I was doing, and the one I might be the most interested in is a kid named Andre Carter from Army. Okay, okay, there's some people as an edge. Andre Carter's a six seven, two hundred and sixty pound uh like say, he's he goes school at Army, and you know it's one of those things. This might be the first Army player that we have drafted in the first round in a long Wow. Yeah,

I'm sorry that veteran. You can absolutely as some of you can say that, and I knew you would appreciate this. This guy physically looks the part. I am. I am exciting Now. Army play. They play big time football. They play You know that you could see them playing games where it's good competition. It's not like that they're playing against lower level teams and this guy's making plays. But man, this guy physically looks the part and he's quick he's

got to burst. He could get off the ball in a hurry, he could chase things down, he could finish. He had a couple of misses in the Navy game where it would have been a tackle for loss, but you know he was he was able to, you know, kind of rally from that. I just think he's a really disruptive guy, relentless, attitude, effort. And the last thing I used, I said this in my notes. I said this mental toughness and desire not an issue at all.

He has done things in his life a lot harder than football, and I think that's where you got to look at these types of kids. There's something special about these service kids that play and do this, and because it's it's not there's Like I said, I'm excited for him because I feel like that both teams have good offensive lineman, good tackles in this game, like a Matthew bergeron I mentioned him from Syracuse. He's going to go

up against some good offensive lineman. I hope he has a really really good week of practice because he could solidify his spot potentially of being a first round player out of the article. Yeah, really cool that he's going to even get a chance to do all this. Didn't they have to overturn like legislation. There's there's things, all kinds of things that depending on with with I know with President Biden and all these the Service Academy rules. You know, it's it's it's a it's a lot of work.

And but this kid, he deserves it. This kid deserves the opportunity to be evaluated and looked at. And I hope everybody makes the trip to West Point to see this kid because I think he's got something. I love the fact the Senior Bull brings guys in like this because I think he's legitimate. There's a list of guys. I mean, I could go through fIF teen guys that I absolutely love, but this is the one. I'm saying.

I'm interested to see how his week turns out. It's really cool at the at the Senior Bowl or you've been looking at Senior Bowl wise, so wide receiver, that's wide receivers, Rice, Rice. And part of it is because he is from he played for SMU. He's given Cole Beasley a run for his money at as far as his tenure down. They put out some much receivers now, Courtland Sutton Daniel Sanders, Cole Beasley. Yeah, I the Senior Bowl, like you were talking about for the receivers, this is

that time for these guys. This is one of these This is one of the times where you get to see obviously the best against the best. And I think this guy when we were talking about yesterday with what do you want in a receiver, I was like, Oh, I want a short, eatermediate guy. He can do it all. He can do it all, and he's also I like the way he tracks the ball. He's he's so physical for his size. In my opinion, he's very physical. And again we talked about these corners and how they liked

the jam at the line. A lot more DBA, a lot more defensive coordinators are playing press. You need a guy that can get his people's hands off of him and he fights for the ball. That's something that that's something that we've been looking for, and that's something that this Rob receiver Corp we talked about, we didn't always see consistently. So for me, I'm looking at him, I'm like,

whoever gets him? If you need a QB friendly wide receiver that's going to fight back to the ball, is going to help out your guy in scramble, drill this this dude right here. And also he blocks incredibly well, especially on the perimeter to be his side. So he also plays with a chip on the shoulder. I think going to like an SMU kind of makes you feel like you have to play with that chip on your shoulder. But this gentleman right here is who I'm really looking

for um. And I also feel like this could be somebody that the Cowboys maybe look at because he has that every level ability and he has yackability. Or you nailed this guy. You've freaking nailed this, freaking nail this play. I've never gotten serious. I was just reading my notes and I was going, yeah, yeah, yeah, this This guy is not bothered at all for where he has to go for the ball. He don't you don't. I mean it is, you don't care. He's gonna go get it.

It's good, good call. And then you've got Zame Flowers isn't necessarily a senior Bowl guy, but he's kind of in that same love. He gave me a choice. I mean, I know Rice is bigger, but Zay Flowers is good. I watched him. I mean, you talk about it the start stop quickness. I mean, I mean it's like watching an NBA game when they're on that three point line and the and the guys go flying by kind of ducks and then the guy goes flying by and you hit the shot on a That's what Flowers does. He catches.

I've never seen body that when it gets that tight in space that he just stops and everybody just goes shoot right by him and he goes here we go. So yeah, but he is he is good sable. I smell a pet cat coming. No, no, no, that smells no. No. I was welling the Flowers. He's right about the Boston College tape. I'm just saying that, right, but because my pet cat Cody Cody mok senior Bowl guy. But keep

an eye on on Jalen Duncan, offensive tackle from Maryland. Okay, that's another guy you need to keep an eye on. For sure. There's some really really really good defensive tackles in this game, and they're on the Well, it used to be North South, but it's the I think that's called National and somewhat is it now National American an American or something. I think the National or the American

side when you're talking about Byron Young, Zach Pickens. Byron Young goes to school at Alabama, Zack Pickens goes to South Carolina. And then there's there's two Byron youngs. There's an Alabama Byron Young, and there's a Tennessee Byron Young. So you gotta kind of you gotta be when you're talking about Byron Young. You got two the boat playing

in the game. We mentioned Will McDonald from Iowa State was a guy that I really really really really want to lanky edgecure right, and I talked about uh again, Matthew bergeron the Tackle from Syracuse, Luke Musgrave from Oregon stand we mentioned him, and then your guy Rice. Those were all names of guys that I was super super interested in seeing how they were going to play his local so I think he might be on people's radar anyway.

That's what I'm saying about Rice is that, I mean, how easy is it to get to see a private workout with him as he here now. We were talking about veteran guys earlier too, about guys who had played a lot of football and then at done so at a high level. I want to I want to see what Jonathan Mingo out of Old Miss has wide receiver six two two twenty five. He put up good production, dealt with some injuries last year toward the back half

when he had Matt Corralla quarterback. Then he comes back in this year, had eight hundred yards receiving in the SEC, was a second team All Conference player. He's going to the Senior Bowl. He'll be there. I'm interested to see because he's got the he's got the traits in the body, in the build, and we've seen guys have good production. Bring that veteran, that veteran experience of the Senior Bowl. But it's never gonna jump off the page. But then they stand out and they go to the NFL and

they have success. Chase Klaybol is the first one that comes to mind when thinking that. A lot of people thought he was a glorified tight end going to Mobile and they're like, Ah, he's gonna he's gonna switch the tight end. He's gonna switch the tight end. Big guy, big body, goes up and gets it, had a great week in Mobile, gets drafted by the Steelers, and all of a sudden he's one of the best receivers AFC.

Did you change the narrative. I was gonna ask you, Keano Benton, defensive tackle from Wisconsin, did you do any notes on him? I took a couple of notes on him. I glanced at him last night before my dog had diarrhea. Oh oh yeah, so I glanced at him last night. Let me let me did you like the player? Yes? I like the player. I think he's gonna just go ahead, go ahead, yeah, six four, three hundred and fifteen pounds.

This guy is big. I mean big in Wisconsin, and I mean to me, the quickness, the power, the active I mean, you were talking about potential defensive tackles Benton from Wisconsin. Though he doesn't have a lot of pass rush move we don't care, but he doesn't care because he does a good job of getting rid of blockers. You talk about playing with your hands, putting pressure on the quarterback. He's square through the play. You don't see

him get turned or knocked off balance. I mean, there's there's This is strong enough to anchor down and hold the line. Really nice, stopping the goal line in Michigan State game. I love if you're talking about defensive line and defensive tackle to look back, give me a guy at six four, three hundred and fifteen pounds playing in the middle of that defensive one technique knows tackle type of guy. Not to your point where you mentioned like he can't pass rush, I said, I don't care, yeah,

because I think that's a mistake. Not a mistake, but I think that's something that this uh that's been lately from the DT position, is that you've been looking for guys who have some pass rush ability but they can play DT. And I feel like that's kind of we saw. I think you saw that in some of the run defense and stuff. Is you got guys that can get up field on this team, but I'm not sure if you have guys that can hold blocks consistently and eat up blocks so other guys can be free. I think

this team in particular has enough um speed. I mean, even if you want to add to it in d NS, you want a guy that can hold it down in the middle and just do that and that's okay. You want to eat up space, You've tried to occupy that with John Ridgeway, Quentin Bohannah, Jonathan Hankins. Now, kid's a good player, man, I mean you mentioned his name. I had to mention because he was. He was a guy

that wrote down in my notes he's athletic. Yeah, he is to beat to beat size, I mean, and when you say athletic, he's athletic enough to take on blocks of ship to ship and actually make the tackle. It's not just gonna trash can full of dirt. He's gonna move, Yeah, he's gonna move, but he's not moving up. Nothing wrong with the trash can full of dirt, nothing wrong with it. Uh.

Probably the highest rated player on a national scale. I'm not saying that's what we're talking about in here, but national scale to be at the Senior Bowl, Tyree Wilson, outside linebacker edge rusher from Texas Tech. A lot of people like him. Yeah, in the top half of the first round. Yeah, what have you seen from him? In your tape, Brian, have you watched him yet? I mean, she was talking about Will Anderson, and I'm thinking, I wonder if Will Anderson's really the best player on this

at least Tyree Wilson. I'm just I'm just saying, man to me, when I watched this kid play and it was just it was relentless. It was down after down the way he was just attacking, you know, and this, I mean he's six six, two seventy five. He's listed as a linebacker. He's gonna play end in the NFL. He's gonna win the shop. He was a Texas A and m transfer to his power strength he was. I mean the ball carrier comes at and bumped down one hand.

I mean he pushed blockers into the backfield easily. He'll stand up, He'll put his hand in the dirt. He comes off the ball and control blockers upper body strength. He's really a good job of finding the ball. When they talk about get up the field, retrace your steps, go back, can charge the corner, work around it, dip, there's a I mean that gays six six two seventy five doing all that stuff. But I think that's why I think, I really think that tackles have trouble because

his pad level. So I think they have trouble getting their hands on him and just holding up because he I think his center of gravity, he's really good to ballast is nasty. And when you look at that, I think sometimes when I was watching him, there are times he looked like he was beat. Yeah, but he can get people off of him. His band is nice. See, I bet I love what she just said to because he's because he's I think there's some violence to his game.

I really really do. I think there's some violence to that body right there. He was originally tabbed as the Senior Bowl as a Senior Bowl invite and a Senior Bowl roster guy. I don't see him on the website right now. He may have backed out so well, we got to talk about he's a heck of a player. Tyrie Wilson, Texas TA. He may have said, uh oh, I'll let my tape speak for itself. I'll let that thing happen and then we'll go into it. But that's gonna do it for us today on the Draft Show.

Good week, guys. That was a fun first two episodes about that. We will be back on Wednesday to break down what we've seen from some of the practices as well along the way. Lots of fun to talk about the Senior Bowl and what we see in mobile. But we'll be back Wednesday and Thursday to break it all down for you. For Brian brought us, I Esha Morrison, Chris Beam in the back, I'm Kyle y'all and saying so long We'll see you next Wednesday, eleven am Central

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