Draft Show: Stock Up, Stock Down

and Kyle Yeoman's. It's a beautiful Thursday in Frisco as we're back in the Walling Star State, back in the SWBC Mortgage studios, fresh off our trip from Indianapolis, and more importantly, we are back with Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Turner the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. The Boys

are back in town. David Elman, Kyle Elman's myself as we continue to break down the NFL combine and exactly what happened out in Indianapolis, how that affected everyone's draft stock, and before we really get into the players, Jeff, I've got to thank you because last time we were in this room, you told me to take layers to Indianapolis. I thought you're gonna say you went to the Slippery Noodle. Oh we actually did that too. Yeah, so yeah, so two things I could thank you for. You're welcome. But

we went to the slippery Noodle. We also took layers and I went back and packed more layers after you told me to do that, and I'm so glad that I did. It was extremely cold. Yeah, INDI's colder. Do you think numbers? We don't register numbers as people who live in DFW. You can see whatever numbers you want, but that doesn't mean that you're actually gonna like register it. Speak entirely for yourself, no, man, Yeah, listen, I have a pretty firm grasp on what each temperature feels like.

I feel. I think, No, man, I don't know what you're saying. Okay, I mean even with the temperature that was, it was whenever we turned the corner, Dave and you were a testament to this as well, when we would turn the corner in the downtown street and get he once fell in. He once fell down, laughing and refused to keep walking. Years ago at the combine, he's telling you that he has a weather stuff figured out. This dude literally fell on the sidewalk and was giggling and

get up because he was so cold. That really did happen. It was also minus five. There's a huge difference between minus five and I don't know, it was like seventeen. It feels like seven. I'm gonna say it was about thirty with a wind chill of seventeen. Yeah, but that is a true story. This was in ad I was twenty fourteen. Yeah it was. It was below zero and I thought I was going to die in the street. A couple of lemonades. Okay, So there's a little bit

of liquid courage there as well. Sure, Okay, so that played a little bit of a factor. Kat, How was your week? It was an excellent week. And I gotta admit, we're under fifty days until the draft is here. Forty nine and then the Combine just told me. You know, you watched the Combine and you're like, okay, yeah, it reaffirmed some things, but it also told me, oh god, I need to go back and watch about forty guys, because there's a lot of confusing things that happened at

the Combine. But I will take thirty degrees in Indianapolis. And at the end of February, all day I felt like, you guys got lucky. Yeah, it was away. It wasn't that bad. But it was also the snow in the wind that was the issue. Yeah, I think that was the biggest thing. Yet I don't know yet. No, I haven't yet. You gotta kept one of those negative one hundred and eighty six days there in India before you know well. And even if I did hit one of those days, I was prepared thanks to you, because you

told me to take extra layers and I did. But you mentioned some of the confusing parts of the combine and trying to figure out exactly what some of these prospects bring to the table. I thought now would be a better time than any to go into some stock up stock down between some of those players that we saw during the combine. Each of us have gone around, given two guys that have had their stock risen over the week in Indianapolis and two that had their stock

drop a little bit. And Jeff, we're gonna start with you. Let's start with stock up, go around the table, and then we'll do stock down here in a moment. Okay, did you build graphics? You a graphic building guy? Yeah, I sent you three of each, so I made sure to make it very confusing. So let me make sure that I see which guys I actually got picked here and then I'll tell you exactly hood oh oh god, wow, yeah, stock up on these two Denzels. Denzel Mims good tape.

Then after having good tape, he went ahead and tore the Senior Bowl. Then after tearing up the Senior Bowl, he went and tested as an elite athlete. So for Denzel Mims, I think that probably took him from I don't know. Before the Senior Bowl, people weren't really talking like a middle round guy, maybe a fourth, fifth round guy. And now there's probably no way he gets out of the second So Denzel Mims stock all the way up. That's my biggest frustration with Denzel Mims is a guy

who's the and I admit I'm this guy. I'm the guy who if a band gets famous everyone's talking about. Everyone's talking about about a TV show like st five years after it was at like, oh now that parks and records on Netflix, it could be everyone's favorite show.

It's like, no, I watched it from the beginning. Denzel Mims, from the beginning, I had in the second round, so so did I. You don't get to take him from me just because you liked him, I know, but it's just like the whole world's like all of a sudden, Oh, Denzel Mims is pretty good, and I'm like, yeah, he was good all year, like it happened works, I know, and it's still frustrating. You're just now we've been doing this for six years. I used to be ahead of people. No,

I am used to it. It's just that one was a strange one because I never saw anything on tape that was concerning No, there's nothing there. He single handedly get rid of the Baylor stereotype of their wide receivers can only do three things like he's just he's awesome, and the combine. I didn't know he's gonna blow it up that much. Agin he was gonna do really good, but I didn't know he's gonna blow it up that much.

And it's just like such confirmation when there's a lot of people whose wide receiver group is Yes, it's crowded. I understand that. I get that, but he has held his own. Did you write in your notes when you were watching mems this guy is an elite, elite, elite athlete. Uh, you know what, I don't know what I wrote, Probably not didn't write down, Oh no, and he's the best athlete ever. And then he went to the combine, it's like, oh, he's the best athlete every Yeah, he ran a top

five forty. People who don't like the combine like that's the trap that people always fall into. It's like, oh, you're falling in love with this guy because he ran a four four At the comment it's like, no, no, but I already liked him. And when a guy who looks good on tape goes out and posts those measurables, it's just even more confirmation that you're you're sniffing in

the right direction. And I feel like that's where some of the debate has come around the combine, And we even talked about this a little last week with Dane saying, what is important about the combine It has to be supplemental to what you're already watching on film. He can't be the only measurement. I think this is a perfect example of film looks good and then he tears like you said, tears up the Senior Bowl, and then he does the same thing for the NFL Combine as well.

C J. Henderson was the same thing for CJ. Henderson I thought it was just confirmation of everything that you hoped that. He's you know, six one, he's over two hundred pounds, he's running in the four threes, great jumps, So you're just partnering great tape with great measurables. You go, Okay, seventeen, that works well. CJ. Henderson scares me a little bit, and not in a good way. Well, what I'm trying to say is we I mean we all we all

like him, right, absolutely? Yes, he's been my cornerback three pretty much the whole time. He's six one, two oh four. And he goes out and puts that up on tape, which, again, like his tape was already good. Oh you're word, he's gonna be gone. Yeah. Absolutely, Seventeen. When you do a workout like that at that size, on top of already being considered one of the two or three best corners in the class, that is a money position. That is

a spot where you know people value cornerback as they should. Well, I would tell the top sixteen teams the guy didn't really like to tackle. You don't want that guy. He didn't really like to tackle. He's you know, he's great in coverage. Does anybody care, Well, I want the other sixteen teams to Okay, is it cornerback the position that you're less worried about tackling than any other position on

the gladly? And then the other side of my brain is going, you go usk Bill Belichick and Nick Sabe and two guys that don't really like personally but like, but they go, oh yeah, I just draft guys who can tackle. You'll be fine guys who can tackle. And that's where I always go. I do have to knock him for tackling. I do have to knock him. But you never see anyone runaway from him. He played in top flight competition, and you know what, the interceptions maybe

you aren't there, you know, Okay, I love it. I'm showing highlights even his sacks. They're so gentle. He's like, hold on, I don't really want to hit. Just fall down for me. Thank you. I've got a highly drafted linebacker and a highly paid linebacker now and Jalen Smith to go and make those tackles on the outside and help out there. So good point. You know. I can

use those guys. Oh and we may we may address the safety position too, so we can get some help with the tackling problem, and that was the biggest worry for me. Is one just the numbers that he put up, I mean a four three, nine forty, the third best out of all corners. He was the sixth best vertical. And then he was also much taller than he was originally listed. I mean he ended up being measured at what it was, six foot and three fourths and originally

he was five eleven off of Florida's measurements. Oh did they show seven? They said five eleven? At least that's what I had. The first team say they undersold. First college to undersell a player. Yeah, a top notch guy, a first round town us grown a lot for That's what it was. Katie. Who was your stock up? Were they trying to get him to stay for another year? Hey, if you come back, we'll give you another two inches? Um my stock up? I'm pull up my text message here.

Well I haven't in the graphics everyone, sorry? Uh so, oh I have stuck. Oh we stopped, we went down. Hold on, let's make it about me, everybody. Let's make about seven. Now tell me if you guys are gonna kill me for this. Derek Brown, Derek Brown had an atrocious workout. Yes, he did to come the three cone was the worst defensive lineman three cone. The jumps were bad, Yeah, forty was slow. Everything about that workout was bad. His tape is awesome. But let me just let me just

riddle me this entertain me for a second. Are you trying you entertained me? First? Are you telling me there's no chance that an interior guy who's not a great pass rusher and had a terrible workout, you're telling me there's no chance that makes it to seventeen. I'm a four SAT guy with a terrible workout. It's a run stopper. I don't want to go as far as to say

there's no chance, but I don't think. I don't think he'll fall that far because and I think the dreams alive, alive but still not like healthy, But I think the dreams alive, and I don't know if it's a dream. Do you think how many sacks do you would you guess Derek Brown will have in an average year somewhere between three and eight. Yeah, it's a really that's a good range. I mean that is a big range. It's a huge range. Can I get you to own by

like one. Okay, guys, you come team all the time, a four to six set guy top ten and if it's your team doing it, are you like all right? Yes? How good a run player? Is he? Run player? He was a game changer of the defensive line, Yes he is. It's a good question. So here now, here's here's what I think the Snakes Harrison keeps getting flipped for fifth round picks. That's what I'm saying. And at the time he was one of the best run defenders in the league. But we want to take one of the top ten.

I'm just asking. No, I hear you. That's my secret is I just ask opinion? My biggest My biggest question is is counseling, Like why did he work out? He shouldn't have worked out, like Javon Kinwall. Now the defense attackle from South Carolina. Now is a chance to get in front of Derek Brown kind of what you're saying here. You know what he did. He did not work out. That's smart because he knew there was nothing you could gain from that, and Derek Brown could have only lost ground.

He should have worked out, I was I mean, if he knew that his numbers were gonna slightly resemble that. I don't know why he would either, because it's not like, you know, it's not like he put up numbers where you're like, well this isn't great, Like he was the worst in in class. He was. He brought up the caboose. Yeah, he was worst workout, which nold class. But it's it's a fascinating conversation because you said, I mean it, he

doesn't look like that on tape. No, he looks amazing on tape against you know, sec caliber talent, chasing guys down, beaten blockers, beating double teams. And I just think if we would agree tape, Trump's all right, trust the tape tape tape is number one. So what I think is that, you know, we thought Derek Brown was probably a top five pick when the draft cycle started. Now I think

he's probably more like somewhere between eight and twelve. I still don't know if he gets all the way to seventeen. Just became in. The quarterbacks, you're gonna go, right, we get we get a really good vibe the quarterbacks. You're gonna go Chase Young is gonna go four. Offensive tackles are going to go up there at least three ot before the Cowboys. Isaiah, to me, he's still in that group of Chase Young Isaiah Simmons Okuda, I really don't

think that changes. It wouldn't surprise the second tier guy with like a kin Law back there. Well, I mean it looks let me push you just because the quarterbacks are coming up, But I still think he's in that first tier guy with this Now is our team's gonna like maybe value kin Law a little more after they see kin Laws Pro Day and then maybe that maybe things change a little bit. I mean, he is in the first percentile Derek Brown in the first percentile of

three cone drill. But I ain't asking him to rush off the edge, but he don't need him to be a little flexible. But he's a taking he's a d tackle and he specializes against the run like I don't know how much bend I need him to have. And he doesn't just make plays right there like you see him track plays down laterally like this range as a defensive tackle. Absolutely, that's what he doesn't look like that bad of an athlete on tape, which is why it was so shocking to see him post such bad time.

I guess always go sometimes why I do as I go to myke. What was my instant reaction, Not that it's always right, it's always to think on him. My instant reaction when I saw his numbers were okay, and my instant reaction for some other guys when so other numbers was oh god, oh no and one, I can't go ahead for him, I wasn't concerned for aj epines I went, oh god, we can. Epinesta tested himself out

of the first round. Whoa, that's a big statement. He tested himself out of me wanting him in the first round seventeen. I think he'll probably goes. He'll go, but over five seconds in the forty and seven point three in the three cone at two hundred and seventy five pounds. I think he played his way into a three four defense. I think he played three four end. So maybe a team at the back of one wants him. But I just I would worry about that athletic profile is an

outside rusher. And to your point and why it worries with him and not with Derek Brown, because it's the same thing on tape on tape watching Jinesa, you go, oh man, heavy handed stout find his overpowers people to the quarterback. But you're no what you're gonna say somewhere, can't really turn the corner. Don't see him turn the corner, don't see him went outside? And then you test you go, well,

not really capable of pointing outside. No, that's not a first round pass rusher to me, that's so we just said the same thing. You acted like crazy. But I think he will go I think he'll go there maybe and maybe in the put it this way like he's not he won't be a top twenty pick. I don't think with Aka, you know, I think you can scratch I don't want to speak for them, but I think you can scratch him off the list of possibilities at seventeen? What was Tacos three? Want to know? I don't want

to know. The Cowboys were as bad as a pick as it looks now. The Cowboys were picking eleven spots behind where they are now. So you're talking about a different caliber of prospect too. Tacos three code was seven point one seven, you know, oh, no better than the three count seven three? Okay, you know DeMarcus Lawrence, Zadarius Smith. Those guys ran seven four three count thrill. So it's not in all he needs to be trade flowers. Yeah, it gets combining the numbers with the tape again, the

tape told you what they were. The tape with the Marcus Lawrence told you this guy's getting juice off the edge, you know. So like you know what the tape on Zadarius Smith back in the day at Kentucky, you didn't really necessarily see the strength that he's that he's added sure to his game. But that's I think this is where the draft becomes real fun, the little games of position value, the games of death at the position, because that's where Epinessa, to me, stays in the first round.

Might have got a second round grade on him and have the whole time, but I think he ends up going in the first round because look, there ain't a ton of edge players. Um. I mean, are you excited right now about gross Matos that much over Epinessa right now? I'm not. I think he would take him over him. I think he's got more upside. Are you like excited to do that? There? Are you? Like? Well? Hugged down? Let's go where maybe you trade back to twenty one,

Maybe you trade back to twenty five. Be high on this edge class as a whole, though, I would feel better. I don't think this is a good edge class. I don't love Grossmatos, but I would feel better about drafting him than Epinessa just because I think there's a better chance that he develops into a more explosive player. Yes, I don't think Epinessa is going to grow tremendously as

like that. That's an athlete in the NFL. Well, you had an edge rusher that was pretty high on your list, stock up your kat Oh, mister Curtis Weaver out of Boisey State. Now this one was a weird one, right. His numbers were pretty wild. When you look at Curtis Weaver, I mean the seven second three cone. I didn't see that coming from him if you watch it on tape. To me, you didn't really seem turned very much. So when he put up that number, I was like, huh

So to me, that was shocking. Was that shocking to you, Jeff Um? Not shocking? I would say I was curious with his three connel because he went outside a lot. Well, he was also running around terrible offensive was just going around. Yeah, he went with a radius around players rather than edging and and kind of cutting that off and going around guys. I mean, I just thought he was pretty stiff, and I mean you can still be kind of stiff and

turned the corner a little bit, I guess. But the three cone number to be at seven seconds, to me, that was a you know, and look, I don't know. This is another thing with the edge class being what it is. I have so many more questions about who Julian Julian o'quire is from Notre Dame. I have so many questions about what Kalid Kareem is from Notre Dame. Um. I feel pretty good about you know, Jonathan Greener to Florida and like the second round. I like him showing

with Weaver. I feel much better about knowing what he is. Doesn't mean I'm going out of my mind and draft him in the first round or anything. Yeah, but you know, maybe he's talked himself or got himself in that second round territory where maybe he was gonna go on the third round. You know. So I thought he did well

for himself on that three cone drill. And who was my other player on the oh, Chase Claypool talking about Notre dame guys Okay, on tape, I didn't see a guy who was running four four five and when he ran that, I was pretty shocked. I was impressive, man, I didn't I don't know why I didn't see that coming. I mean you look, you could see like the figure on you'd see his body and his friend's big. Well, like you see his body and his frame and goes,

it's a big dude. Okay, he's pretty jacked, and then you go, what are you rann at four four five? And I just didn't see that like on. To me, he was a slow player on four four two four four two seegeez on tape. To me, he was a slow player. I didn't see him out running people on tape. I saw him and I was on the outside. He was kind of a excuse me. He was kind of a just run down the field and we'll throw it up to you on little corners and then moved to

the slot and we'll run you on crossers. I didn't see a burner. Um. I think he did this right. He did the combine right. Oh yeah, like Derek Brown, if you know that you're not gonna do well and something, don't do it. So Claypool gets to be a giant winner. He's a big guy that ran fast and jumped for If he'd ran the shuttles, I bet you it wouldn't have gone well. So instead of coming out of the the combine saying, Wow, what a great combine, you would going

oh wow, goodness. Straight line not so much in the agilities, but you get to skip all that if you just don't do what you're bad at, which that's what I want, And it's interesting because you want to use it all to put the whole puzzle together. How much does it change your opinion of him at all? It doesn't sound like it does little. I think the forty time is impressive, that lower body explosion is impressive, But I still think that he's not a separator. I think too often he's

a body catcher. Okay, so I could see. But with the athletic upside that he just showed you, could you take him into two early three? Somebody probably will. Well. This is also a conversation that we have last week as well, but bringing you guys into it. Tight end has been floated around for this guy. I meant on my dreams the size of him, and honestly, I thought whenever I initially looked at these numbers, I thought of a guy that maybe proved that he should be a

wide receiver. But at the same time, this is not a very high, highly touted tight end class, at least from a depth perspective. He could be another name that you could throw in there and throw it tight end, you know, as long as you're not actually asking him to play tight end. Yeah that's what. Yeah, I don't really know the difference anymore, because what do you like? You can put him on the roster is whichever one you want. But if you're talking about playing a detached slot,

I don't care. What would you rather have him? Or Hunter Bryant from Washington's the same? This is the question comes and that's where I go. Man, I think I think Hunter Bryant's a better player. But his combine was a little disappointed, was good. His drops make me nervous. I just don't trust Chase Claypool from Notre Dame to go get open and that bothers me. But there ain't many six four two thirty guys running four four twos. Yeah, I mean it was a freakish combine for him. When

terms of that, that one forty time. Maybe you're putting a little two I'm putting a little too much stock in his forty time. But Chase Claypool ran a half a second faster forty than Hunter Bryant. And the difference, I mean, he's Claypools two inches taller and only like I don't know, well, Claypool also ten pounds, like a better forty than Michael Pittman Junior. Talk about another big bodied receiver. Yeah, but Michael Pittman Junior has two hands,

that's fair, and he can block a little bit. I get Claypool is out here running deep balls and catching contested balls in his number like jump up over you and then like can we please extend and catch the ball? Sorry, Chase Claypool. I hope you get drafted real high and make all the money. All right, Dave, Yeah, who you got for your stock up? Stock ups? One guy, which this guy I actually like. He slipped under the radar for me, for me personally, probably because he's FCS. I

like to ignore FCS guys the Cowboys. The Cowboys don't draft him. Had a fantastic senior Bowl, looked great out there, and he kind of caught our eye a little bit at the Senior Bowl. This is really mean. I think of Obi Melifonwu from a few years ago, Like everybody's just always enamored with the six three safety. I'm not comparing their games, sure, but everybody's always enamored with the

with the superhero action figure safety. Right, Chen looks the art and he goes out here on top of looking good at the Senior Bowl four four five forty at his size six three two twenty a forty one inch vertical, he actually outperformed Kyle Dugger in a couple areas of the combined workout. I think vertical was the only one he didn't out. Yeah, Dugger, absolutely. You know, I'm distrustful of guys of fcs. He's coming out of Southern Um, Southern Illinois for those of y'all that don't know the

sulukis so looks good on tape. Of course he does, because he's a superior athlete to everybody else. Then he goes to the Senior Bowl and plays well against other top notch draftable competition. Then he puts this workout on tape, and it's I mean, how could you argue that his stock isn't going up. It's really impressive. It feels very leap of faith for me. These NFL teams are gonna think I have one all twenty two game of him

against North Dakota State, and then there's YouTube games. Yeah, so can mind that, and then you know the NFL teams have everything you know, right, So for me, Jeremy Chindlon, this workout and makes me feel much better about this guy's gonna go top one hundred. Okay, that makes sense, Okay, I get it. I feel like much better about that.

But it's just hard to know. He had good one thing to say about him at two twenty one, which he'd added a little bit of weight, and I had just two h five or two o eight right around there, So you add a little bit of weight. But he does appear to be fast enough to have a little range, and the few games that we have he's got thirteen interceptions in his college career. He had four interceptions last year. He's shown the ability to go make plays on the Bowl.

It's interesting he'd kind of be a free, strong hybrid. You normally, if I see a six three, two hundred and twenty pound guy, I go, oh, he's just a strong safety, but I think he might move well enough to play play well. And we saw the Senior Bowl he was covering pretty well. No, that's that's my thing is you know, you watch him at Southern Illinois and you're like, okay, cool, these guys are going to be accountants in two years, Like how impressed am I supposed

to be? But then he plays you practice well, and that's always going to catch your eye at the Senior Bowl because you're going I mean, you're going against big ten sec competition. But then to put those numbers on the tape and say, Okay, this isn't just a byproduct of him playing inferior competition, like he really does possess this athleticism. I'm still terrified by the thought of drafting him because I just have inherent biases toward big school guys,

and so does Will McClay. It seem exactly and that's yeah, But you put numbers like that, somebody, somebody's gonna be willing to take a chance on you. And that's why I think his stock is up well. And I kind of want to challenge you on your other stock up a little bit. Why guy is his stock up for Devin Hamilton out of an Ohio state. He had the sixth lowest forty oh he had a sub thirty vertical,

third worst broad jump out of his position. I think as well, it depends on your definition of what stock up means, okay, and I mean, how could those numbers raise a stock I just want to hear what you have to say in because like me personally, I'm looking for defensive tackles that I can draft. And you know,

we talk about Derek Brown, Javon ken Law. Uh, if they're not there, that like I'm automatically hun I'm automatically hunting for somebody that can find so for him, you know, then you're talking about you know, you're talking about him, h Ross Blacklock, even like even Blacklock like he performed well enough, like he had a better combine. At least Blacklock is the classic case of a guy that's seventeen is probably too high, but fifty one he'll be gone. Yeah, um,

who's the other guy? Which, yeah, I wanted to avoid Mattabek because I know, like he's a guy that we talk about a lot. I look at him and I like, on top of what I've seen from his tape, which I think is surprisingly it's yeah, yeah, strength, all that good type of stuff, and probably more of a one technique than a pass rusher. Probably I feel I feel better drafting him. I don't know. I think at two eighty, I think he could sneak him in the top one hundred.

That's what I'm saying. Got and so I like, I think it depends on what your definition of stock up is. I don't think this guy vaulted himself into the top fifty, but I'm hunting for down the line prospects at defensive tackle. I'm like, okay, like this guy. Yeah, his numbers aren't super impressive, but it lines up with what I'd be willing to do based on what I see on tape. Well, when I was intrigued by you choosing him as a stock up, because if after the Senior Bowl I would

have had him as a stock up. I thought he looked good at Senior Bowl down in Mobile, but I thought that the combine maybe took a little bit of a step back in my book, at least by some of the measurables. Now that I don't think looks okay. I don't think so, just because nobody's pegging him as this, you know, top fifty pig. He's to me, he I feel like he's probably late third round, early fourth round is probably his range borderline day. So are you going

to reach at eighty two? What do you need you know? Or do you get ken Law round at seventeen to do? Not to worry about there at seventeen. Man, we just said that he wasn't going to be there. I don't think he will be. Stop acting like it's impossible. I didn't say it was impossible. Okay, really quickly, I'll give you my two stock ups. It's one of the guys that we've actually talked about quite a bit, Devin DuVernay out of Texas fifth best forty of all wide receivers

with a four three nine. And then I threw Jacob Easton up there, and it wasn't because of his measurables. You're gonna challenge me here today, I'm not gonna challenge you. Just go ahead and come back. I'll just disagree with you. Get him back. I thought he threw the ball better than almost any other quarterback there, maybe with the exception of Justin Herbert. Oh, I thought you disagree, I do disagree, Okay, I thought he's got a big arm. For sure, he

has a huge arm. He's easy for him to throw it. Absolute Lynch type tends. Now. Yeah. One thing that did read this morning on Jacob Easton that put a little asterist on this. Apparently Tom McShay talked about how he did not impress teams in his interviews, and apparently in the quote from the story that I read, said that he quote unquote owned the room and saw that he was bigger than what was going on. And I didn't

like that a whole lot from a quarterback. So yeah, I feel like with that, I didn't hear enough details of what McShay was saying. So to me, it just made me really really angry at media where it's like, well, you know, I heard from an anonymous guy that he didn't no no, no, no, no no no no. If we're sabotaging character pre draft, tell me who said it and what they're talking about. That's at Haskins right now. He's

not a prospect anymore, but it's still annoying. Yeah. I thought he threw the ball well a little bit high there. I just think that right, well, he's just the combine is meant for guys like him. That's all. He's to show off the arm. She is velost. He's probably the most naturally gifted quarterback in the class. All right, we are Okay, he's got a cannon, didn't wring it? Yeah, and he's he's inconsistent his decision making. I don't love I'll borrow this line from The Solid Verbal, my favorite

college football podcast. They call him purple Cutler, and I'm like, mind's trust the tape. I'm gonna trust the tape guy. There you go. Yeah, that's a good one too. Um. I just I this this whole Cutler. That's a good one. When people when people talk about the underwear Olympics, that's what they're talking about. And like if if, if his natural ability wants prompts you to draft him in the top thirty five, good luck. I just don't see it,

all right, but I do think it could. I mean, it could help his stock because he can go out there and show off that he's got to contend on and yeah, football on the back foot. I do agree with I agree with Devin DuVernay just because in the sense that that is a position where the forty yard dash really does matter, Like receiver and cornerback, crowded receiver class. Anything you can do to distinguish yourself matters. And if he can run a sub for forty and somebody's going

to be intrigued by that speed. We were talking with Kat last week and or the week before Indians saying that if Devin DuVernay comes out and runs a four four, we're gonna be thinking of him a little bit differently as well. Yeah, absolutely, because the production was nuts last year. And yeah, my biggest issues with him is just how big canny play. Yeah he's got short arms, things like that, but he does catch everything. He finds a way to

get open. There's a lot to like about him. That's just how how much you're reaching for guys like that in this wide receiver loaded class. You need him, I don't know, do you need him to play big if he's always in the slot, doesn't drop anything, which, ironically Dane Dane pointed this out last week, like he wasn't amazing in the past catching drills at the combine, but I will gladly take thirteen games worth of tape over one he dropped a pass though? Did he done in

the catching drills? I guess what Dane's quote was. He was fighting the ball. Okay, he just he didn't look natural, look and look smooth. But again he thought his way to zero drops. Give me, give me thirteen games of tape of him looking pretty good doing it over. Whatever you think about the combine, I think he only had the one drop during his entire career. Torch Daves Tigers, Yeah,

he did pretty good. Question the question there's who are the other wide receivers about considering taking becomes That's that's where Crochet well, actually that it's gonna be a question we're gonna address Twitter on the twenty coming up here in just a minute. Now. It's okay, I like to tease. It's a good way. We did some stock ups. We didn't get to all of our stockdowns. We'll have to do that some other time coming up in the next couple of weeks. But when we come back, we'll go

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on GWS one course. September twenty nineteen. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show. Thank you from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. Jeff kalvan On, Kevin Turner, David Helm and Kyle Yeoman's with you here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, as always presented by Miller Lite. Time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter where, of course we go through your fan questions via Twitter and answer them the best we can

here from inside the s TOWBC Mortgage Studios. We've got some good questions over the course of the day, and Katie and Dave also tweeted it out. Dallas. Smith starts us off and he goes, would you rather have Cooper and a top corner in the draft or a top wide receiver in the draft? And Byron Jones? And why the debate that is crippling Cowboys Twitter as we speak. I would go Jones, this is a receiver, so we're getting we're getting either Cooper or Jones on like a

five year deal, not a franchise tax correct. Okay, Okay, here's my problem with the question, Dallas, what is a top corner in the draft? Because to me, it's Okuda and then and then there's a Jars wide receiver. I can give you three names. Yeah, so if I can have one of those three names, I can't have Occuda. So if you'll give me Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, or Henry Ruggs and Byron Jones. I'll take that over Amari Cooper and whoever your second corner is. So I would

go Byron Jones and receiver. But you saying that right now, it's likely that the second one is more likely having Amari Cooper back and then maybe drafting a guy like a C. J. Henderson as a corner. Yes, the Cowboys are doing this wrong. Correct you're saying, oh yeah, yeah, I'm saying I would prioritize Byron over a Mari Wow. And I think Amari as a player has more to do with wins and losses than Byron does when he's healthy and ready to rock. But I also have questions,

just like Oakland head questions. I don't have questions about Byron Jones. I know he's gonna be out there every week and he's gonna play really well. And I can find a receiver, which is really Huevos to assume when this team was lost before Cooper got here. That's the thing that and that, like, I don't disagree with anything

you just said, but I can't let go. I can't let go of the fact that I think that Amari does have more and more of an impact on wins and losses, like if I promised you Jerry Judy or Ceedee Lamb even still and like you and me, like we're of one mind on this that we love this receiver class. We love the idea of drafting one forty burgers.

I don't like the idea of asking anybody to fill in for Marii Cooper and like have to really carry that load right away, because as many good receivers have coming into the league recently, not very many of them hit the ground running. Like that's not a long list you think about, you know, recent drafts where you know, would you be happy if you took a receiver in the first round and he had a Terry McLaurin rookie year?

Hell yeah? And I think Lamb, I think you could do a j Brown over a thousand Deebo Samuel guys, it's doable. Debo Debo is not fair because Debo really didn't catch. Like that's what I'm saying. Deebo wasn't really a guy until like October, and none of these guys were that we're talking about. I think you could say this Debo, these guys weren't one of the first two wide receivers. None of those guys has changed. Zeek some open Well, okay, it's it's scares doing that. It scares me,

is all I'm saying. I think I think they're they're terribly uh maybe crippled isn't the word, but maybe a little paralyzed by twenty eighteen in their decision to go into that season with no true number one wide receiver. And I think they don't want to do that again, and I think that's going to affect them, not ringing Byron Jones back. Now, here's what I do, which is crazy, but I sign it also, well, I sign everybody, and if I need to do some restructuring of contracts and

behind it, I'll do that. Anyway, can we talk about sign signing every We now know We now know that the players will begin voting on the CBA and it's they have until a week from today to read four hundred and fifty six pages. I mean, that's doable if you sit down and concentrate. I'd read the whole thing. But if they approve it, like everything we're hearing is that the CBA is going to absolutely skyrocket the salary cap.

So why are they afraid of doing all the deals what And the only answer to that is that they don't believe in Byron Jones the way that a lot of fans and media do well. Mike Nolan's comments his first media availability, you know, basically kind of saying, and I'm not worried about the guy that can't catch the ball. Basically, I'm not worried about the guy that bats the ball down.

I'm worried about the guy that takes him back for something paraphrasing said Byron Jones doesn't get turnovers, right, paraphrasing All right, all of Cowboys Nation so stupid. No offense, no offense, the offense. So if he got three interceptions a year, then he would be, you know, a pretty good corner or great corner who now has three interceptions a year. Now he's gonna face like six hundred past

snaps a year. So we're worried about what happens on point five percent of the plays at corner and not as worried about the ninety nine point five where he's one of the five to ten best corners in the league. But he didn't have an outcome on point five percent of snaps that I would have liked that is that is what is being suggested. Yes, awesome. Well, you also think about the fact of the Katie brought up the point of maybe being scared about not having the number

one wide receiver. But the way that they got rid of that problem is they invested their twenty nineteen first round pick. If you let him are Cooper walk and you draft a guy at seventeen, that's two straight years you're investing that first round pick in a wide receiver. Yeah, in an a position you can't. You can't make those decisions based on what's already been sunk, right Like it would it would suck to let him Ari go. You know, you trade. You know, you want five years of production

out of your first round pick. But like, if you're not convinced he's the guy, don't sign him just because pride. But that's that's kind of what I'm saying, is prideful wise This could be something that the Cowboys are looking at in terms of their decision making moving forward. I really I'm not saying that's right now, saying that might be what's going through their head. I think it's as simple as like, which guy gives you the better chance?

Of impacting a game all on his own, because as for all of Amri's duds, we've also seen him turn five or six games completely on their ear. The Minnesota game stuck out to me this year, and the Philly game the year he got here, and I'm honestly yeah, and he's got a track record of being able to do that. I know he disappears on the road at times. I know he's had some iffy moments. He still has a much higher chance of doing that than Byron, and

I think that's what's driving that decision making. Well. It's interesting, though, if we're stacking a big board together, you have Rugs, you have Jerry Judy, you have Ceedee Lamb, all stacked higher than c. J. Henderson or Fulton or Trevon Diggs or I still have Jeff Gladen TCU as the second cornerback for me. But like you have all those wide receivers stacked higher than those And if we're sitting there and taking the best player, well that's what we're doing

at seventeen right now. I'm also waiting on Kin Law. I'm hoping Laws that's still plan A for me. But let me ask you this Jeffrey, which this is my this is my thought process that makes me feel better about this whole thing. And I don't know that they will because they haven't. But if the Cowboys take the savings on the money, they would have spent on Byron and invested in a way more meaningful way than what

we're used to seeing. What's more meaningful than a great corner, I mean three or four above average caliber free agent replacements, Like not signing Byron enables you to bring back Robert Quinn, maybe you could. Theoretically it's Robert Quinn deaf, Carl Joseph took my strong safety absolutely and now add one more piece. So say, how about I don't know again, this might just be that Quinn ten million, Carl Joseph five or six, right,

sixteen million dollars there it spent. What if I could get you like Mike Brocker's at D tackle or something silly like that. Yeah, I think that maybe the free agency D tackle class is what's kind of pushing me away from Kin law Now and Derek Brown because I think it's more it's the easiest one to fill. Let's go. Yeah, I think there's twenty good options in free agency, which means that the money is going to right up. You're gonna have six dudes that our NFL starters, Like hey,

what did with somebody? And like, yes we will. That's my saving grace because I'm like, all right, if you're gonna spend that money getting a handful of guys who could make the team better, I'll stomach it easier than if you're just gonna let him walk and sign. No one cares. I should have sold more jerseys Byron. I know you're gonna quote another question. We're in too, Kyle real quick, but say, does the new head coach matter the fact that he's brought in a lot of people?

Does that matter? Because if you just signed a five year contract as a new head coach of a team and I'm looking at the depth chart overall, I'm going, oh my god, I'm gonna have to remake this entire secondary in two years. Yeah, A, does that make you go we should sign Byron or you know, be as mean, we need to start drafting dudes because Byron's not gonna be here, and then who knows. I also am interested in keeping Anthony Brown. I don't know if they're gonna

do that. I don't know what his gonna be like, him being hurt, save the money. You had a chance to keep Anthony Brown. I'm highly interested in doing that same, but just just I don't know. That's I just can't wait. I can't wait to see what the thirty visit list starts to look like, because I just have a hunch there's gonna be a lot of dbs on it. Yeah. Probably. And with that being said, you mentioned this name a little bit earlier, but he's a part of our next question.

Javon kin Law. Joe DeMeo asked three scenarios for the first two rounds. Pick one. First one is Javon Kinlaw South Carolina with Antoine Winfield, junior out of Minnesota, C J. Henderson out of Florida, and Justin Metabek the defensive tackle from A and M. That's scenario two. Scenario three Javan Jason out of LSU, calevonvon excuse me, and then our Nett out of Ohio State is third. Easy for me. I love all the second round picks. I do too. For me, it's number one, me too. It's good Javon Kinlaw.

It's Antoona Winfield, the safety from Minnesota. That's the to me, that's my favorite combination by far, I think one is my favorite combination. I'm starting to be intrigued, which is funny because he didn't even work out at the combine, but could sell me on Jason. Jason, I know he

scares a lot of people. You could sell me on his raw athleticism, just because I think you talk about not being thrilled by this edge class like, I think he's got the ability to bend the corner and get after it, so he's got a chance to be edged two. I think I'm just gonna go out on a lemon. Say when he's done working out at LSU's pro Day, he'll he'll be a top twelve pick, probably rocketing. I think so all right, I think that people are going to take a chance on his athleticism more than it

would be good for the Cowboys. I usual for the Cowboys. That's how you get can I get into one? Winfield is better than Zevir McKinney started. Oh, I've heard that before, though, so I don't think that's okay. Maybe I'm not starting it, but no, dude, I think Winfield's gonna end up going in the first round too, if the safety started going earlier than so you're saying, you're saying, my first option, first option of this is the more fun one for

the Cowboys. I think the first pick it's fun and just makes a ton of sense, one hundred percent does. And then the second one I would believe would probably be the most likely. It was what was it Henderson and Mattabek. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if Winfield's going to be there at fifty one. Neither do I. I don't think there's a chance he's there fifty one. You might trade up and get him unless none of the safeties going in the first round. You know what

about none of those drafts could happen. Oh, the odds that we would nail at that completely are slimth and nuns. I would take any one of those though. I would take any of those three, would take any one of them. I would feel like they did a good job. Yeah, it'd be nice. Okay, well, hit let's say it one more question. This one's gonna be fun. This is from Jay Okay Fellas trying to get proactive here after starting

or after watching the combine. Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson is the best athlete that he has seen since Bo Jackson. I'd give up seventeen and next year's one if he slid to nine or ten? Would you he's the best player in the draft. Is that all I have to give seventeen next years one? That's unrealistic. We would have to give maybe a two. I don't think that's that if he slides to take if he's at ten, you can do it for seventeen and your second round pick

that gets you just to ten. That might not be realistic because just on the chart it but maybe he don't through it here to the chart, that's the thing, right, and they should, But I go by captain trade down. Now, did Maurice? Okay, what if we always wins through and a four? Well, seventeen, a one next year and a four? Would you do it still? I think I would? I would in a vacuum. This team is in such a desperate mode for affordable labor though. Yeah, but they don't. Okay,

but it's it's a fourth round pick. They're gonna get a comp for Beasley probably while five. So you still you're not gonna like lose any like You're not gonna have fewer picks, you know what I mean, Like you have a surfle and have six. Yeah, it's a fourth round pick. How am I not gonna have a first

round pick next year? Are getting? Yeah, that's gonna have like two good players on a rookie because you're gonna have a guy that can play eight positions on the back end of your defense is and he's an absolute super free you're normally against type. But I think he's gone on. I think he's awesome. That's why Jeff said it right. Like affordable assets, I'd go one and two. That's it. I'd go this year's one and two Friday Simmons and that's it. Can't be taking multiple ones for me.

Can't be snatching those things for me, especially for a guy that's really for this team. A luxury I'll throw in, how how would he a luxury where you're gonna be, like, listen, I know you're a linebacker, but you're kind of gonna be a strong safety. It cost me two ones, but I think it'll work fine. You're gonna be like my box safety, big nickel slash, occasional slot slash, occasional free

safety slash, whatever the hell I want. You to be if you told me you could undo a contract that's already been done for a linebacker, you can't pick him, well let's go No, that's fine, like hey, man, because they would bring that dude in and that dude would be better than both your linebackers and he would not replace them. That's what would happen first round picking a paid guys. Worry about play you make Jalen a sam slash Nickel rusher slash or whatever. Here we going three four?

He could? We could? What it sounds I'm doing that to him. I've got a lot of commercials and well, you got a crap on my dreams. Man. So I finally found a player that I'm willing to get reckless for and you're telling me it doesn't make any sense. But everything makes sense for that man, everything makes sense. I just think he can play five positions. We're gonna fit in. One more question, Kate, you've got forty five seconds? All right? All right, this one's Taylor made for you.

It says, tell me more, Charlie t tight End Portland State. O, my god, how you like this guy? So I chose this question? You got now the forty seconds? Okay, well, he's the Portland State guy, which you just said. He pull up my note. Sorry, three solid years or production. Uh. I do need to recheck his time, because I was not expecting a question about him to ever come up again on the Draft show after I brought him up the first day. He brought him up day one. Uh man, No, no,

I just want to find his time. I don't know till my time was. Doesn't matter though. What I saw is he had a horrible quarterback and college so as a struggle sometimes, but he's a big target underneath. I had him at sixty three two forty eight four seven five, so a pretty decent time. He didn't put up stinking albert O numbers, you know, or anything like that. But I thought it was pretty good at working back in the scramble drill, working his way back to the quarterback.

Showed good hands, showed the ability to catch with his hands, and not a very good blocker, kind of a getting the way guy. But I saw someone his deep day three value. I had a fifth round grade aut him can play anywhere though. Slide seven five out there? Did you give me a four seven five? It's my guy, Charlie. Here you go Charlie representing, well, we're out of time there for Twitter on the twenty. We're almost out of time here for the Draft show, but we're gonna take

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In our final segment here from the SWBC Mortgage Studios, and we started this earlier in the show, stock Up stock Down. We got through all our stock ups. Jeff got his stock down snuck in there, thank you. And now we've got to go to Kat who were some of your stockdowns from the twenty twenty NFL's County Combat. He's a guy who I actually came around on on tape and everyone thought highly of him going into this season,

and then he had a bad year. He had twenty catches, but he played for an offense that was a complete dumpster fire. But it's Titan Jared Peatney of Vanderbilt. And then I get nervous because he looked slow at the Senior Bowl and then he went and his numbers tell you a four nine six forty yard dash. He didn't participate in anything else because he's not that great of an athlete, and I thought he was better than that

he was. You know what, we watched him on tape, go catch the ball with his hands, go make some tough catches. Could be a matchup issue. I did not see four nine six coming. I didn't think he was going to run that. So Jared Pinckney is now a Day three flyer. He is a guy that teams are gonna be nervous about. They're gonna wonder if he works hard. They're gonna wonder if he's got the ability to stay in shape. They're gonna ask questions about dude, or do

you even care because you just don't see it. Maybe he just can't do that, you know, maybe he just can't show that athleticism. Get separation. But man, he had such a good year in twenty eighteen with fifty catches and came into the year, you know was hey, this could be a tight end one tight end two tight in three type of guy, and he has just disappeared. He had a rough combine. I thought he could on tape. I thought he could win in one on one situations,

go track the ball and do things like that. But four nine six that's just not gonna work. You're slowing down my offense and his twenty eighteen tape was so good. It was very good. That's one of the things that's so disappointing with Pinckney is that he looked like, at least going into his final season with the Commodoreds, is that he was going to be a guy to look for as a first second day tight end. He shouldn't

have gone back. If he wouldn't have gone back to Vanderbilt and people have gone in the drags last year, you know, he's probably gone on first step. Still would have had to get time day one day too, still had to get time. Yeah. Absolutely, you're such an ass sometimes. That's why I listened. They should all hire me. I

would be like, here's what you've been running. We're not running They both about Prodey, We're not run running it because that's what everybody's like, Oh, he didn't run the combine, but he's gonna run his product. No, if we're gonna have bad times, we're running it. Neither. Yeah, but we're trying to make money. If you don't have like top notch tape, you're gonna run the risk of alienating yourself because people expect to see that. I mean, but if you don't have top notch tape and you run a

five flat, what's a team? I thought his tape was good. If Pinckney doesn't run, what's a team gonna assume? Worst case? Probably better than what he ran. Yeah, yeah, I thought his tape was good. Now twenty catches, you go, huh, what's going on? But that offense to go off of the Lipscomb is a good wide receiver Colladia. Lipscom is a good wide receiver who played at Vanderbilt, and he's got didn't have it anything like because Sean Vaughn the running back. Yeah, it's a good player. That's just a

It was a bad offense. They had no offensive line. They just didn't have a chance. The quarterback wasn't very good, And I thought his tape was fine. I'm the ted The Senior Bowl was a big red flag. You know, it was a big red flag. He just looked slower than everyone and then yo, wait he is slower than everyone, and maybe he just didn't really see that on tape. The other guy who had a stock down on is Bradley and Nye defensive end from Utah. Jeff, you like

a Nye quite a bit. Yeah, this defensive end class just keeps getting less and less encouraging that it was about Curtis Weaver. He was a stock up guy. Gosh, am, I gonna have to put Curtis Weaver ahead of an Eye. I had a full round difference going into the combine, and we were in the third and nine in the second, and now they're kind of neck and neck. Weaver might be the better prospect. I mean, I bat terrible three

cone bad jumps. I mean, if you're gonna be a sub two hundred and sixty pound defensive end, you gotta be athletic. Which one are these numbers worse? For the fact that Bradley and is a defensive end and then Jared Pinkney's a tight end and their numbers are similar in the fifth or in the forty? Which one? Which one is? Are you supposed to run down the field and catch the ball? Yeah, that's why works for Pinkney. It definitely works for Pinney. I guess with an eye.

I wasn't expecting him to to, you know, tear it up or anything. You watch him on tape, you don't see that. It was a middle round guy. I was hoping seven and a seven one three cone. I go, okay, all right, and you start to look at it's it's combining all of it and normally don't care too much, but like even some of the shuttles and things like that, the three cone you take into it, and you know his arms, dude, his arms are so small too. And a defensive end. I need you to have some linked

out there. So that's something that really bothers me, with the alligator arms out there a defensive end. Dave stock Down, this is this is harsh because I actually this is one of my favorite guys. We all we all like no, okay, but I'm not ready to pull the plug on Cameron Danzler, so we like him a lot. Big range cornerback Mississippi State. You turn on the tape, he stays with some of the best receivers in the game. He gave up and

you know it sounds like bad. He gave up fifty yards and a touchdown to Jamar Chase of LSU compared to what Chase did too. You're going to show me the other play. I only saw a six yard out that he got caught on point. He played really well against Jamar Chase. Let's put it that way, Chase had fifty yards and touchdown in the game, and he played Davante Smith at Alabama really well. He got beat on

an out and up and that's about it. Everything you like in a cornerback until he runs a four sixty and again, it's probably the one position where a forty yard dash can make or break you. It's a risk, it's just a risk thing, but it is very few and four. It's interesting though, because again, if you have thirteen games of tape of him sticking with SEC caliber receivers, how much does a four six forty scare you? Well, does he start getting penalized more? Because he's a really physical, yeah,

all over the field kind of guy. I just I'll tell you what I did with him. I had him as an early second rounder and now I have him at the top of the third round. That's how much four six at mid four six scares me. Because I've done this before with Tease Taber. I stood on his tape, I was like, I believe, I believe in this dude. But the fact that he ran a four to seven it was over. I can't do it. And so at four six four Josh Norman did it for a while

Richard Sherman's done it. But outside of that, it's like, I'm baby and Howard, where can you find him? Yeah, it's very rare. I'm putting a pin in it. Well, and I think a big thing is we're not talking about him as a first round pick. Yeah we never right, I'm putting a pin in it. I'm gonna give him a chance to run at his pro day, and he came out on Twitter like he was unhappy with his time.

So he's gonna get back in the lab and if he can like get closer to four to six, maybe even crack like high four or five, get him at get him at thirty. Yeah, yeah, where's Brian to turn the clock off at the thirty eight yard line? It is legit, Like it's hard to find those guys who are casey. Here was another guy who ran really slow, like a forty and table day that since into your career by any means no, no, And I think his tape gives you a little bit of hope, like, Okay,

this is something if you can stick with. If you can stick with the guys at LSU, you can play cornerback, Like those are all pro receivers now. I'm burning that pick pick fifty one in the second round, and I'm so nervous about that at all. We'll see send that to Damon our Nett and then you'd pick dancer the

next round. Yeah, and just because we're running short on time, Jones was your other guy, which I mean, Hamilton's not impressive athletically either, but like Benito, Jones brought up the rear, like just across the board, and I don't I don't believe he even benched, which was like the one thing he was probably gonna be good at. I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. Senior Bowl, I saw like a few plays, a few one on ones, and I was like, oh, this guy's interesting. I turned on the tape and I

was like, how come he falls on every place? He's on the ground a lot. He's a fall down guy, I think people. And again we're not talking about first and second round picks, but like, if I had to peg him going into this, I would have said, like, oh, I don't know, like a fourth round, fifth round guy. But I don't feel I feel like I just I'm just pushing him even further. Just like if you got twelve picks, you can use one of your seves on him.

I'm not feeling great about it. I've got one of those guys in my stock down, a guy who I thought may have been a guy you could have looked at in a late round scenario. Two stockdowns. kJ Hill, wide receiver of Ohio State. I did not think he had a good combine. He didn't. I thought he had a perfect comb So no, I'm with Kevin. Get him in the fourth round. Not explosive, it's not real big. Oh, he probably dropped the ball. I'll take him in the fourth and then Mitchell Wilcox out of USF. This is

a tight end that we have not mentioned before. He wasn't expected to be a guy to light up the combine, and nor did he. He had some pretty poor numbers. But he also had the most embarrassing moment of the combine. He got hit in the face. Well, he was trying to catch his gad, he didn't know which way to turn for the first got him right in the side of the face. So that is why I said his stock went down. I'm really glad we line up on kJ Hill because I mean I saw him make people

look silly all week at the Senior Bowl. I don't care if he runs a four six. I'm not drafting him in the top one hundred, but start him in the scene. He can hang around to the fourth round. Let's party. He's Jarvis sladry Um. Say no more family. How much like a discount doctor Thunder? You know brand? Sign Sign me on you pick one eighteen, let's go. Well that is gonna do it. Here for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show, wrapping up the NFL combine

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