Draft Show: Standouts From Pro Day Visits

restaurants on the balcony. We're at the entertainment district here the Star at on Cowboy Way. I'm excited about this. It's kind of nice. It's nice to get outside because the draft will be here, and how much the draft will be now we'll be here at the Star and a lot of the activity be over at at and T. But man, it's nice to kind of do something a

little different. It's one of the big reasons the draft is so great because it brings spring back, you know, the warm weather, and it's one of the reasons the draft so much fun. That is that is an angle I had not thought of because I'm not from Ohio. You know where I'm from, it's warm most of the year instead of like climbing out of the single digits around April. Yeah, it is well, very happy to be

out here. We're on the same stage where Pat Green, Texas Legend will be performing to night in front of the crowd at seven thirty to night. And this is a all weekend event too, So this is the first night and this thing will go all the way through April first, so make sure you come out and check out. I mean, we we eat these restaurants quite a bit and enjoy all the food and entertainment and stuff that

the Star has to offer. But speaking of being entertained, Dane Burgler, David Hellman and I hit a couple of

Pro days this week. We got to go to the University of Texas and then to Texas A and M. With the two that we did, I put him in reversal order there, but the two big pro days there, and it was it was interesting to see these players live the workouts, and you know, we've always talked about how important Pro days were, and you know, we came away with I mean I know I did, and I was trying to figure out something about with Connor Williams,

you know, and at the University of Texas. And I'll get to Christian Kirk because that was the one that Texas A and M because he I've got questions about him too, though, But I'm trying to figure out where teams would see Connor Williams. I mean, you know your evaluations that you have. You know he's a tackle. Can he play guard? I'll tell you what. Yesterday the Saints worked him as a center, So I mean it was

just and David loves it when I make that. Yet make this, hey, nobody, you got excited about it wrong when nobody loves the workout more than me. When you see what these coaches do with these guys, But where do you see Connor Williams has kind of become a little bit of a forgotten guy when we start talking about some of the other tackles, guards and stuff in

this draft. And we talked about right before. You watched the two and sixteen tape his sophomore year in All American season for the Longhorns, you saw a future left tackle in the NFL. You watched this year, all of a sudden, you have some reservations. You think about maybe inside and guard. It's gonna be split among the We talk to different people around the league, so we're gonna see a guard, so we're gonna see a tackle. Thirty

three inch arms. That's kind of the cutoff right for a lot of teams in terms of of arm length for the outside the edges playing tackle position. You talked to different teams, You're gonna get different answers, and I'm glad to see that he worked out at center. If you gonna show your versatile it's only gonna help your cause on draft day. So I think Connor Williams has a chance to go in the first round, depending on what the team is looking for, if they want to

guard a tackle, how they view him. But the more he can do, the better. So good to see that he worked out across the different positions. At the Prode David and the Posts workout interview, he kind of offered that he's visiting with the Cowboys. Yeah, which this is It's always a funny line to try to designate with

these local guys. Malik Jefferson and Connor Williams both they both plan on visiting with the Cowboys, but they're both local kids, right, So I think Connor said his visual his visit was official, but it doesn't seem like it makes a ton of sense to have to bring a guy from Capelle in on an official visit. To me, when you, I mean he can come up here whenever he wants to, since he's from the metropolitan area. That's

what Malik Jefferson said. He's got a thirty visit planned with another team on Dallas Day, which is the local prospect right here in a week, so he's going to set something else up because again, he can come whenever he wants. So I'm not one hundred percent confident that those guys fall on the thirty list, but I am confident that they will both be up here meeting with

the staff, you know, between now and the draft. I think the thing that I was driving at here is is this team looking at Connor Williams to potentially be a pick at nineteen. I think if you're turning over every stone, you'd be dumb not to look. And I haven't watched all this tape. I'm not the experts that y'all are, but look at him yesterday. I was very impressed, and I said this while we were you know, we were working on a video that we're doing our staff here,

not comparing their level of play. I'm not saying he's an all pro, but Connor Williams reminded me of Tyrn Smith in terms of his build. His build he looks. Yeah, he looks you know you think of like a big, sloppy offensive line. Yeah, this is not that guy. This is a streamlined athlete. Like doesn't look like there's an ounce of fat on him. He's fluid, he's quick, he's athletic. Like, I mean, he could play all five positions on the line,

and I don't know if Tyrant could do that. But like I said, like, I just was so impressed by his workout and and how athletic and quick he looked. I he's a bendy guy. Yeah, I mean you want Yeah. The first thing they did was they got him down into like almost like a catcher stance where you put your heels flat and then you bend your back, keep your back straight and ben straight down from the knees, and the ones that can't do it end up getting

caught forward and easy. It's like the coach said, Okay, just try and put your rear on the floor and he went straight down and then he sat there and you're like going, my gosh, and in his hips too, like why he's opening his hips and showing how well he like the same thing. Yeah, that's the first line of my report. Flexible knees joins the sit in his

stance and maintain balance. And that's the biggest thing for offensive lineman because the guys that can't sync their hips right and dropped their hips to anchor, they're gonna have a tough time versus NFL pass rushers. And I only Connor Williams has a problem with that. My biggest issue with him is opening his chest to defenders getting inside. So he needs him work on the technique with his hands right. But from an athletic standpoint, it's all there. Yeah.

I don't want to derail you, Brian, But can I can I lead us in a thought exercise real quick? If we're investigating and educating and if the point of the draft is to have an open mind. Talked a lot about maybe Lyle Collins moving to guard something they see fit. All right, you look at what are some tackles you could draft in the first round. I think McGlinchey. Yeah,

maybe you draft Connor Williams. Maybe you draft him with an eye on being a developmental swing tackle in his rookie year, and he could be a tackle of the future. If you move Lyle to guard, you could have him ease into the right tackle role or maybe even play left tackle if he's up to it, if you know,

depending on what the future holds for Tyrant Smith. So if you're telling me they're looking at tackles, I'm not super surprised, then I'm not gonna say I would love it, but I could at least understand why they might be interested in Connor Williams in that range. Yeah. Am I crazy for thinking that? No? I don't think so. I mean we've kind of talked about that. I know Dane would not entertain draft in a car. We know how Dane feels, Dan, Dan, would you feel different if it

was drafted as a tackle? Um, you know, it's it's tough discussion because you're not drafting necessarily a starter unless you're gonna move lay all inside, right, So there's some debate going on there about what's the best move about the best five on the field. Sure, I'd be open to it, but I want a defensive playmaker. And yeah, I agree with Dane, but again, in the in the in the interesting, you can't rule it out open mind.

And well not only that, but sure you talking about drafting a Roquan Smith to not necessarily be a starter, but to supplement your linebacker corps him and Jalen working together or what happened to Like I said, you could move Violet a guard and not even start Connor Williams. You could start Cam Fleming for a year and then you've got four more years of Connor Williams as a starter in the future, if that's the way he decided

to go. Regardless about the tackle guard debate and all that, is Connor Williams worth a nineteenth pick in your opinion, Ryan, I think that he is. I do, I mean, I do think that Connor Williams is a guy that I look at him, and after that workout yesterday I kind of had you know, I'm with you on the twenty sixteen tape. The seventeen tape was a nightmare for him. But I'm thinking I'm sitting here thinking, man, this guy was a productive high school player, he was a productive

college player. Everything kind of lines up for him is coming in here and having success, much like or with any team. I'm not just talking the cow was sure, but yeah, the nineteen yes, much like much like Harold Landry up at Boston College. Though what injury had a big part to do with connor Ways struggles in twenty seven, It's not like he forgot how to play. Yeah. I think that last time we met and had the show, Dane was talking about throwing names at nineteen. I guess

that's what I'm doing. I'm throwing a name at nineteen that we we really haven't talked a whole lot about Connor Williams being a name at nineteen, which do we know was weight from yesterday to wants to play at three oh five. He wants to play at three oh five. That's his ideal. But Dave's right, man. Physically, he just looks and you think about what he could do in this scheme where it is about movement, it's about second level blocks, it's about getting outside, you know. I just

there's a lot of things. So I'm like, I'm glad that you guys said, Okay, look again, I'm all about trying to get this thing to how many names can we get at nineteen? How many different options can we get? And I think the way that the Cowboys are going to these workouts, they're trying to get as many names as they can, and they're gonna narrow this thing down when they start their draft meetings on April ninth. That's when they're gonna that's when the board, the stack, all

that stuff is going to be set. And that's and as many names as they've got to go with. I think you want options there, and they it might even allow them to say, well, heck, we could trade back two or three spots. That's a great point. But that's what That's what I was asking you guys last week. Where's the range for Roquan Smith? You guys gave me great answers on that. Where's the range on Derwin James? Great answers on that? And I think the range on

Connor Williams, Yeah, probably eighteen to thirty two? Yeah, I mean I think that maybe maybe twenty four. The Saints worked him out and there are twenty seven, I believe is what they're at now. So you know, twenty seven twenties somewhere right there, suit to me. And they lost the right tackle, by the way, the ram check Yeah but he but yeah, but ram check left tackle. This guy put him at the right tackle. Yeah yeah, but okay, don't no, don't don't know. But no, you're right, Dane,

You're right there. But I just kind of I'm just trying to think of I'm looking at range, I'm looking right if everyone needs more offensive line helps, So yeah, what if what if someone? If it was somebody? What if one of the quarterbacks is still there at nineteen lamar jack? What if it? Now you're talking about somebody trading up from the back end? Okay, who are you comfortable going down? Now? I mean I always yell at you guys about Dave. Don't give me more. I don't.

I don't want to do that. But maybe maybe when you're looking at guys like Connor Williams, down for Connor Williams, you could probably go down for DJ Moore. Yeah. Colton Miller is gonna be in that discussion too, whether we agree with that or not. Yeah, point that is, Yeah, the Colton Miller. That's a good point there as well. To Dane's point, I would not love that pick. That's not a knock on Connor Williams. It's just a knock

on what this team needs. Yeah, but he looked like a first round player to me just watching him go through his workout. I think the top two tackles in this draft Mike McGlinchey from Notre Dame Honor Williams from Texas. I think mcglinchey's the safer pick, right, Williams has the higher upside, and I think I agree with you there. I agree with there. O'Neil was a guy initially from pitt that kind of got my attention, and I think

there's a drop off between that. I mean, I'm McGlinchey Williams and then Okay, there's gonna be some drop off there him Brown from Oklahoma. I mean, you're gonna you know, I talked to a team the other day that's at the back of the draft that's interested in so, I mean, keep an eye on him. And a lot of people said, oh, terrible combine, will never be picked and all that. I got a team that said, yeah, no, no, hey, we're okay with this guy. Yeah, you're okay. Hey, you gotta

trust the tape on him. Okay, we're gonna take a break, We're gonna take a break, and then we're gonna come back after this. I want to do some Twitter on the twenty. I want to finish up too, talking about the Texas defensive kids too, don't forget about and exactly talk about them. And also I want to talk about Kirk Is another guy. And then we'll also get through two hours. We'll just yeah, we'll just keep We'll just keep rolling. Law See you're listening to the Draft show.

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we got a decent crowd. Yeah, the weather really nice to see a lot of the Cowboy merchandise on fans walking around, a lot of folks in town kind of maybe making a stop hearing and going down to San Antone. We had a group from our show from Chicago that was here. They were Cowboy fans and stuff. So it's really really nice though that if people can come by take a tour of the Star, watch David Hellman eat lunch that's always an inviting thing to do. Actually really

gross yourself. Maybe you might see Dane Bruler talking a little doing a little podcast stuff. But we're excited to be about here again. We're out here on the stage right out on the Cowboy Way be the stage at Pat Green, the Texas legend performer musician, will be here tonight entertaining the crowd. Always puts on a great show. Pat Green. I'm a big fan of his, so we'll be looking forward to that. This team, Okay, I want to get back into what we were talking about earlier.

This I want to flip it nowt to Christian Kirk and that you know, the position drills only for Christian Kirk. Johnny Manziel threw him the football and hey, he couldn't have had a guy that put more on him. You know. Johnny did a really nice job with that. But David talk about a little bit of the what, well, let me do this. I'll do what I did. I kind of I kind of said it. I'm gonna set it

for you here, all right. Dane talk about people think about him slot receiver, right and they worked him outside quite a bit though. Talk about okay, transition where are you on Christian Kurt Not so much the round or anything like that, but where are you on playing ability? And what could he have to show you in a workout in order to kind of maybe uh check boxes for you or make you get a little bit more concerned. Oh,

he's a finally tuned athlete. I don't know that he's necessarily as explosive as very quick, very very fair, but he's actually does an actually job of handling his throttle, you know what, meaning he can get in and out of his route breaks very efficiently, create his own space. And that's why he's so dangerous in the slot. The big question on the outside can't he beat press? What is he gonna do against big, physical defensive backs in the NFL who make contact strup the timing? Can he recover,

get open, separate? I think he's best in space, That's why he's best in the slot. Now, how did he do during the workout when he did go on the outside? Yeah, I think that we saw the routes were good. I like the you know, the slant stuff might be a little if he was playing against somebody in his face, might be a little more difficult for him, you know. I think the further you remove him from the ball,

maybe the more trouble that he might have. Because again there was stuff that he was trying to break on inside and I was thinking, like get it to him, now, get it, you know, because the further way was is But then Manziel hits him on a deep ball, vertical nine and stuff. So yeah, I see exactly what you talk about. I'm worried about him against the press. That's where you can't simulate that in approach you can't. And then I think that you know, the Cowboys and Calvalaro there,

we've talked about that. Calvalaro is probably gonna stand over him and just bang him all day and try and let him release into these routes and see if he can do it. But I thought he caught the football very well. Yeah, I think I could say Manziell put some good put some good ones on him and the people. You know, he's got a couple of visits, he said. He talked about Arizona being one of them. That's his

home state. And then and he's also got Seattle, and these are two teams ahead of the Cowboys, you know, that are that are interested in in bringing him in So I man, I have a hard time with him as a first round player, I really really do. But you know, I could see somebody, I mean, we laugh about New England at thirty one? Is could that be your slot player that you know that that that's that's their guy, that type of a productive player. This uh.

And this isn't a knock on him as an athlete or as a football player, but Christian Kirk just scares me. And that I mean certainly at nineteen and even at fifty, just because you know, and it's ironic because I was just talking about Connor Williams as at least an intriguing option as like a project player. You wouldn't You wouldn't consider that at nineteen, would you. Well, I'm just I'm not drafting a wide receiver to be a project for

this team. Right. If you're drafting an offensive lineman, you're drafting him onto the strongest unit on your team, and you can probably get away with giving him time to develop, especially as much as you love D G. J. Moore. Right If I'm well, just I love a lot of the receivers in this and if I'm drafting one of them, I want results right away, right, and I mean, obviously that's never a guarantee, but I want to give myself the best possible bet. It scares me that Christian Kirk

didn't play a lot outside. It scares me. His dimensions indicate that he might have a problem against the press, all that type of stuff like It just it scares me to think that he might not blossom into what you want until year two or three. And that's not why this team's drafting a wide receiver, because if you spend a big time asset on a receiver, we were pretty sure that means there's some changes coming to your receiver corps right well. And part of the appeal of

Kirk is special teams. What do you can do is return man? Yea. And they worked on the Cowboys. They were down there working him out. Though they worked him out, set the special teams coach down there to watch him catch butts. I'm not suggesting Ryan, there's an all pro. But they have a return man, they have two capable

slot receivers. It just it doesn't fit for me. And if he can if he can become more than that, if he can become a dynamic receiver on the outside, too awesome for him, but I don't trust that it's going to happen as quickly as I wanted to for this team, and like something about him just puts me off and that maybe that's more on me than him, but that's just how I feel about it. I think Christian Kirk is a great player. I just think he

has a low ceiling as an NFL player. I don't and I think he has a high floor too, meaning he's not going to be a bust, right, I feel confident in saying that, But I don't think he's going to be an all pro either. I don't think he has that type of potential where he's going to be a number one or he might not even be a number two for your team, and that might be his best role as that slot that underneath target and playing the YU. It's where does where's the value of a

guy like that? In the draft? Right? In my ranking sees number six among the wide receivers. Sure, so you know a guy like Corton Sutton who doesn't necessarily have the production or uh not as polished in some areas, but he has high upside to be a number one where Kirk doesn't have that. Did you hear what he ran today? Did he run or did he stay stay on four? Five? Five? I didn't see it. I didn't see. I was trying to kind of and I ran into coach. I ran into Coach Garrett and he was walking around.

Uh you know, Rocky was running for governor here. He was talking everybody but me, But yeah, I was I was kind of thinking that. You know, he rand four or five five at the combine and I wondered he stayed on that time or they try to get him outdoors, you know, with the wind a little bit and maybe get a little bit pick up some speed like that. All right, let's focus a little bit on the defensive players that you know where we talked about Dave for

the University of Texas. You know the guys where you know we Jefferson before. I struggle with him a little bit though the way, and I just give me a thumbnail on him, Dane and kind of how you you see him in this in this draft. It's a fantastic athlete. Uh, he's physical, contact driven, high character guy. The big worry with Malik Jefferson, it's just the natural instincts. Yeah, he's he's a guessers reacts first, then he thinks, and that'll

get him in trouble sometimes. So if you can simplify his reads, I think he's gonna be a quality player for you. But again, he's very young in mind in terms of what he sees and diagnosing it and reacting in time, So you do worry about that because of that. I don't think he's gonna be our first round player. I think he'll be somewhere on day two. But he didn't run or he didn't do the forty right, No, he did not stayed on his time which started four or five, five two as well or something like that.

But yeah, he just kind of but the workout. It's funny the Saints and the Bengals put him through the workout, and I was kind of thinking that I saw a little bit he smut an athlete, though. I saw a guy with a little stiffness to him. Though you know with some of the movement you can when he when he was lateral, it was a little bit like, come on, man,

I've seen you. I've seen you go, I've seen you, he mean, and it was like he was it was like he was fighting himself a little bit yesterday and that that was kind of a that was troubling to me. I was shuttles. He did shuttles, but it was like I think the time he didn't do him at the combine and I was watching him do the shuttles. I'll tell you the drill that it got me was the

they put him through the bags. We had to move laterally, and you know, he was he was It was like he was trying to run and he was just it

was not as smooth as I've say. I mean, because you've seen him make plays where he's kind of seen it and gone and been lateral and all that, and then but those drills, I mean, I was like coach Nolan, Mike Nolan did a great job of trying to move him around to make you and then they ran him on a wheel route and he looked like he was okay doing that in the coverage aspect of it, but man, it was just kind of up and down at yeah.

And I was a good athlete and I was like, going, come on, man, I just I wanted to see more of that athletic ability from him. I just didn't see it though. Talk about though, as well, Okay, Elliot, the safety we've him Okay, watch another guy. We saw it. I mean we saw a couple of safeties at A and M. I think it's funny that. I mean we saw Elliott and or Watson. Elliott on back to back days, by the way, or Watts he with the two ten. Yeah,

his his weight is. It's it's funny. He's going from one ninety one Senior Senior Bowl to two ten and I don't know two two two And I don't know if somebody's telling him strong safety, bulk up, you know, I just don't know where that direction is going. But it's hurting how he's moving. I don't see. I didn't see a guy that was really athletic. And when he when you watch him on tape, you know the things

he could do. Who'll come forward, I'll hit you. We've talked about him a bunch, but I worry about him putting on so much weight. Did he can't move at all? Stands out to you the most about Elliott. He talks all the time. He does talk a lot. He's a very encouraging guy. He's a he's a raw rock kind of guy. He's very raw, raw. His teammates kind of like they look at him. And they kind of move away.

Oh but he's a he's he's one of these interesting discrepancy players, not unlike Malik Jefferson in my opinion, because depending on you know, some people are like, oh, this guy's gone by pick sixty, and some people are like, and you can get this guy in the fifth round. You know. Yeah, usually you hear more, uh, you hear more agreement more often than not, like most people kind of have the same idea, but you get some polarizing opinions about this guy. Would you be surprised if Sean

Elliott was taken on day two? Yeah, I would so, because what's happened when you watch what game was that they ran right by him. I mean it was I'm trying to remember Picky, I know. Yeah, see that's what I'm saying. That turned the deep speaks. He is a stiff athlete, but I mean he almost ran me over. I got in the way on one of the drills that it was kind of I was a little too close to the drill. He had six picks, like I got to get the intrigue. I get what I do.

And but ball, because he does have ball skills. I mean when he catches the ball he's got. You see the hands, I could see the hands, but man, the movement is just and then and then you're talking about the burst and all, I'm like, I don't see it. And well, and most of his interceptions were not overthrows, they were not him creating. No, he deserves credit. He made the pick, he created, or he finished eternal. You

gotta give a guy a credit for finishing. Oh no, no, no, hey, hey if the ball is going to him, hey, maybe the balls gravitates tour. Maybe that's his bit. Yeah, right, you know, but I would be surprised if he's picked in day two. I really would be surprised. Fourth, fifth round, I think that. I'll tell you somebod I wouldn't be surprised it's picking day two. That Poonaford. Yeah, that guy right there. Five. Yeah, you were on him very early about that. It's hard. It's hard not to with as

good as he was him sounding the wide receiver. He's found one and two combine snubs this year. You guys sound like Rod Marinelli. It's like the orphan, like, oh, nobody wants him, we'll take him. Well, they see five eleven and they he's not for everybody. Yeah, but when you're when you're a three hundred and twenty pound man, you take your shirt off and you do care and you're out there doing the drills. You're a self confident player. You identified with that, and you're like, that's what I

would look like. I was wanting to be him. I was like, you know, I feel like taking off my shirt scouting him, you know what I mean. But it would have been a bad idea. Glad you didn't do that. But no, I mean he I'll tell you what. The power, the explosiveness. I mean, I'm watching him go through those bags and I'm cheerleading for the guy. I mean, he's slapping it those bags. Got that heavy bass to him. He's knocking the bags all over the place, and I'm like, going,

get it big, Villa, just keep getting it big. But there's a lot of those. There's some those guys in this draft that way, those one technique short daddy players. Stack him, stack him now, do it. Don't just say South Florida. South Florida is my favorite short daddy guy. No, where's poona poona? I got him. I got him in the third, third round. I got him the third round Dans laughing at me right now, I think, no, Dane's

probably got him the fourth fifth, I got three to four. Yeah, okay, who I feel a little bit better about that he's having the three. It's I think I had him in the third coming out and not even I mean before I went into the workout. I had him there. So I just just it's one of those interesting conversations because we all agree you should trust the tape, but like then it comes to a point where where can you

just not ignore the measurables? I mean, are you're really going to draft a five ten and a half five eleven d tackle in the top one hundred, Yeah, if you could attack the gap the way though. I never understood the height, you know, not drafting player because he's shorter. Like if anything you're creating, you have a low natural leverage the kid from South Florida, right, I don't understand

he's a lower guy as being a weakness. Yeah, you know, I mean I understand in length, I understand maybe not being a wide body for an interior player, but for being short. You know, I know Aaron Donald, He's not Aaron Donald. Right. When you have that natural leverage, you get underneath blocks, play load of the ground. You're not gonna get moved out one guy. Yeah, you have some mobility. So yeah, Cincinnati they worked him out. That's my team. You're so jealous, you know me? I yeah, I need

to work for the Bengals. I'd say it every year. I got your boy lawsons, I got your boy mixing or we're trying to get Dane a job and I gotta get him. I gotta get to Cincinnati so I can get him a job. That's why. That's why. Butts my team right there. They don't care. They don't care. They draft, They don't look at measurable. They's draft good players. That's all they do. That's all they do. You don't think they have like, they don't have like a measurement.

They don't care. They don't care. I mean, Dane is Dane would be on their staff. Give him logic and then I'd be able to shut up Dane. We're gonna draft this punaform. Speaking of players that Bengals probably like, Yeah, Holton Hill, Uh, there's another one. No. No, First of all, I think it's his workout one very good Dane. First of all, I think it's a good sign that he was able to work out of Texas. Yeah, he was suspended and definitely towards the end of the season, he's

got him off field stuff. Just the fact that he was invited there and worked out. He said at his interview after it was over that you know, it's all good. He's got a great relationship with Herman and all the guys down there. So yeah, I mean that's encouraging, you know what. I was watching him work out, and I was expecting him more of a more athlete because on the tape he will knock you out. He can tackling corner.

In this draft, that's that's a very first statement. I kind of like, I don't want to talk about holding Hill because I want him to be sitting there like pick one thirty seven, you know, like I like and I think they would take him. I don't know, I since Bengals, would you write me would damn right? They would? I I don't know, they might not. I mean, you know that's been a that's been a non starter for

them in the past. Do you think about Marcus Peters for a big difference between a guy with problems like that at sixteen and a guy with problems like that at one thirty seven, So I would do it just I mean, his his tapes awesome, and yeah, whatever his workout was lackluster, I don't care. His tapes awesome. Yeah. It was kind of funny, Dame to watch him move because on tape, you know, you do see a guy that's got that range, the ability to turn run open.

And when they were doing stuff individually with him, he wasn't as smooth. It wasn't as it was a little bit clunky the way he was trying to drive, and you know, I mean I was like, I was like, come on, man, your tape, your team's good. Keep you know, getting cheerleading over there for the kids, almost getting hit in the couple of drills because I was too close. Yeah. They there are people on site at these pro days that tell you where you're supposed to stand, and Brian

just ignores him. And he's like, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine, thank you. I need to go here and scout, thank you. I know what I mean. That's the way nobody else is within twenty yards of these workouts. And Brian's like standing next to Jim has it like, yeah, Jim, make him going around the back of Hey, Mike, Mike, turn him a little bit this way, turn them to the left. I want to see him. I want to see him. I want to seven explode off that foot. I'll tell you what. No pro days are good. I'm glad we

got to go. Speaking of pro days, as we get through Cowboys, we saw Rod Marinelli leading a pro day Florida. They are active, aren't they. How about my guy Tevin Bryan right there? Is that at nineteen. There is that we're throwing that name in there at nineteen and then then let's that's where're gonna have to draft him if you want them. Yeah, he's talking to be there at

fifty year. We both okay, trade back, right we talk about if we go back maybe at the end of the draft my mock draft right now, I haven't going twenty to the Lions. So you're not trading back if you want them. Just killed the dream of Tevin Bryan right there. If you trade back and you can take him at nineteen, yeah, you know, I don't there's a I don't think he's gonna be taking ahead of you at nineteen, but he'll be there him or hearst rss

rated higher. But you know obviously, right, that's yeah. Again, it's gonna be interpreted differently by thirty two different teams, right, That's what I worry what their medical staffs tell them, the you know, input they're getting from the just different medical opinions about the heart. Is it something long term you worry about. It's it's something we can't really answer because it's gonna be different from team to team. He's a first round talent, there's no question, but we're still

kind of you know, TBA on him. If I told you they would take pain from Alabama at nineteen, what would you say to that? I would just okay, that would be okay, okay, very taco like no, no, I liked and I even like taco. I'll wear that badge. I like taco more than y'all did. That's the way great sport code today. Thank you that I look like I'm a starget Pepper's Lonely Hearts cut band, a plate

of tacos, So you look good man. Um, I wouldn't hate that pick like I kind of break it down into like hate it wouldn't hate it, love it, like if they drafted pain and be like, all right, let me hit him one more time with this one. Dane Banderish or pain Pain And how about you, young man? Uh getting the linebacker? I like Painting And they're both I think they're closely rated on my board. Uh, they're both like in that late twenties range on my overall board.

I actually, well, and how about Brian or Vanderish? Still probably Brian, just just just for and it's really more about what that. Yeah, it's you know, you're playing of the snaps, you're getting after the passer. Like I again, ideally, ideally this linebacker that you're talking about drafting won't be on the field that much hopefully. Yeah, that's the that's the stated goals. So I'd much rather have Josie Jewel at fifty, who can play a role but not necessarily

be the guy. And yeah, give me a guy who can bulk up my past rush at nineteen. Dank I get Juliet fifty, I think so, Yeah, I think that he'll be somewhere in that second round range. He's gonna be that second tier of linebackers. So when we get into day two and we start talking guys left on our board, Josie Jewel will be a guy up on that board. I think band Rush won't be I think he'll be taken in the first round and then I

think we reset the board the top linebackers. You're looking at Josie Jewel, Uh, Fred Warner from b Y Yeah, Lee Jefferson Texas, Fred Warner. Give me one of these three. Yeah. Fred Warner got a visit from from our boys. I mean, like, like I said there, I mean it's pro Day. They are active. I mean they went down. The whole staff went down to Obama. Cavalaro went to an M to c. Kirk, they were at at Provo. They went to see Marcus

daven Park, they went to see Taven Bryant. Like they're everywhere. Yeah, so that's not like act like these guys aren't scouting. Yeah No, everybody's like, oh, they're sitting at home doing nothing. There Definitely they're scouting Fred Warner in the second round or you might even be there in the third. I don't know, but it wouldn't be a bad pick. Say say that Josie Jewel or a Warner at fifty. It depends what you want. I mean Fred Warner is more

of an outside guy. Yeah, he could cover Jewels more of your middle linebacker's Yeah, it depends what you want. But I have warrener rated just ahead of Jewel on my board. Give me give me a day two linebacker who can be an understudy and contribute to the cause, but preferably not start, and let me address something that really needs boosting more so at pick nineteen if I can. And if if if Sean Evans or Layton vander esh is the pick, certainly if Roquan Smith is the pick, Yeah,

I'm okay with that. But there's things you could address before linebacker that I think you can get away with it. All right, great job, guys, A nice segment. I appreciate that. Okay, I kind of went in past Twitter on the twenty. Well, we'll pick it up now. We're gonna go to our final break here. When we come back, I promise you David Hellman has got some of your questions and we

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a just a question from our buddy right here. Yeah, I didn't catch your name. I'm sorry about that, but I mean, if you're coming out to watch us, we should at least answer your question. Absolutely shoul answer that question. So he wanted to hear about Justin Reid right, the

Stanford safety, which is that right? We wanted to talk about Justin Reid, right, so we want to see about we talked about I mean, and he kind of reminds me of de Sean Elliott, which I think that was another part of that question, which is asked ten different people how you feel about him, You'll get ten different answers. Because I've certainly seen him mocked in the first round. I know YouTube gentlemen are not particularly high on his game, So like, help me boil this thing down, Like what

are we actually talking about here with Justin Reid. Justin Reid for me, was one of those go back and watch type of guys. Yeah, because four fourth to combine, right, I tested really well? Yeah, I mean I didn't change my mind too much. But I think he minimizes mistakes more than Elliott does. He's not stiff like Deshan Elliott is. He doesn't labor when he's asked to turn and run. He can do that. He has some range. He was

productive like Deshan Elliott was five picks this year. Right, So I feel better much better by Justin Reid than I do Elliott. It reads to me, I don't see a first round. Guy. I see a guy's gonna be go somewhere on day two and he's not gonna be a big time playmaker round, but I think he could be a solid starter in this league. Yeah, I thought at times, and Dane's got him nail. I thought at times he struggled with his eyes. I didn't know if

he if he always saw everything the right way. But the ball does gravitate towards him, you know, whether it's tipped, intercept man, whatever, the ball tends to go to him. And I kind of liked him. I did. I thought the athletic ability, moves well, the wrap up tackling works to cut this guy off when he's covering. Stuff like that. I didn't really know in the film. It didn't like he had closing speed, but his time speed was the four to four. Oh, and I'm kind of like that,

and that's where I think Dane was talking about. You had to go back and say, wait a minute, now, he didn't. I didn't. I had a note like no closing speed, and then he runs four to four and you're thinking, Okay, did he train to run four four or is he that type of a player. So yeah, y'all wouldn't take him in the first round, But would you be shocked if he goes in the first round. Yeah, no, no, because of safety, not a strong safety group. Yeah, especially

a guy I think he's a free myself. Well, that's right. It's kind of like three technique, Like, yeah, find ones like Dron Payne and some of these other guys. But if you want a three technique, you better grab Taven Bryan pretty quickly. Right with the free safety Derman James, he can do a little bit of everything. But once he's gone, I mean, who's the next free safety off the boards? Maybe I'm trying to try. I'm trying. Yeah.

So yeah, if you want a free safety, if you have that need, you better get your guy early because you're not gonna get him later. My impression of read is that nineteen is too rich. But I bet he's not there at fifty. I think that's fair, certainly possible. Fair, really good question from Perry. I mean, going back to last year, we mentioned our guy Taco. Uh, you know, the the prevailing logic coming out of last year was that they drafted Taco because they felt better about getting

defensive backs later in the draft. You know, they wanted to get there in that of the way. They didn't want to have to try to find one at pick sixty. What position is that this year? You know, like where they're I mean, by the time you get to fifty, there's just not a lot of options. We you just might have mentioned this just the safety and I would say mentioned three technique. Yeah, Maurice Hurst is a top guy. Tavin Ban Yeah, and then and after Tavin Bryan. I mean,

who you looking? I totally agree with you because I was looking, I mean Shepherd. Maybe do you have Shepherd as a one? I think he's interchangeable. Yah know, he see I have him as a three. I mean I'm looking at I'm talking about you know, Hurst and Shepherd and and Brian and those guys. Yeah, that's it. It's a big, big drop off, maybe even the drop off

at tackle offensive tackle. It might be another one too, because we we hammered early in our show about mcclinchey from Notre Dame, about Connor Williams and now where is it? Is it O'Neill? Is it Colton Miller? That's fine? Yeah, I just swallowed real hard when he said that. But no, at Hey, but that's you know, hey, one of the three technique. I want to mention to Sean hand Alabama. Alabama. Yeah, worked out, He's I'm not I'm being talked about enough.

He's kind of that big defensive ent. Move him inside the three TECHNI yeah. Someon his good production from the You're to Go on day two and I think he's gonna have We're gonna hear about him his rookie year. I like it all right. I mean, Texas better be sending us a check for all the pub we're giving them on this show. They were very nice to us. They were, They really were. This is a question from Adam which I want to know the answer to too, because I got to look at this guy yesterday. Why

isn't anybody talking about Chris Warren. You know, it's funny. I had a scout from a team. I was kind of making a joke. I was standing there trying to get in the way again, and I was writing next to a couple of scouts, and I asked this one guy, I gotta go go, I go, who are these backs you watching? He goes that big one right there. For anybody that does Texas, it's hiss. Yeah, exactly Cowboys. So I'm sitting here and I'm going I'm going, you know what, I go really and he goes, yeah, you need to

watch this guy. Go watch twenty sixteen. Yeah, yeah, that's that. This past season was pretty much a disaster for him. Yeah, but still I don't know what he he he is so thick. I mean you I mean, he is huge. I mean, I mean when he walked by me, I'm like, going, mind, he looks like a big tight end. Looks like a tight end. He does. Mean, he looks like a big tight end. I'm thinking, like, I'm like, well, where does this guy play? But you're saying it maybe an h I do, Maybe he's a guy I need to look

at because but he caught the ball. Well, he's got the body type. But I don't know, like an every down back, you know. I mean, I don't mean, I mean in a way you want to just keep handing it. I don't know if he gets better or he gets worse, but the body type is surely there. It is one hundred percent there. He's a little bit of a different

guy too. He Uh. When he was deciding where to go after high school, he literally flipped a coin between Texas and Washington Live, and he was ready to go either way and pick Texas and that's where he ended out. All I know is I watched him run rough shot over Texas Tech a couple of years ago. I mean like two hundred and something. Yeah, he's a he's an

impressive physically how he looks. Like again, I need to go back because when he does get picked, I don't want to be embarrassed of not being able to say, well, this is what he did on take because the workout wasn't terrible. But he's a prancer for a big guy when he runs. Remember he was running the forty day. Maybe we were kind of timing him and he and then it's like he was coming down at you. He kind of looked like a big old Clydesdale running at

chat here. You know. Yeah, he's a traditional one cutback. He has versatility as an h back and that's going to be appealing. So he gets a shot to get drafted. I think he hasn't been able to stay healthy and that's been a big boat. If it comes up on the clock, I'll give you the team. If he comes up, I'll give you the team that told me like no, you need to watch this guy. There you go, you need to watch that guy. Uh. Fun fun thing about

our show. I mean there's so many ways, there's so many outlets you can you can go to for draft coverage, right, thank you for coming to us. But I mean, like so many people with so many diferent opinions. And one of the most interesting thing about this year's draft cycle, and I know why because we're afraid of the big receivers. But we don't really talk about Courtland Sutton. We haven't.

We like we do. I mean we've covered him, we covered him at the Combine four or five, five, but so many people talk about him in the mix for pick nineteen or maybe a first round pick. We don't talk about him that way. So it was his pro day today. Jason Garrett was there, Sanjay Law the receivers coach, also Hall, Chris Hall was there. So let's just revisit Courtland.

I think the last time we talked about him was probably when he ran at the combine And just how are we feeling about this guy, big physical power forward on the football field and you are encouraged by what he did the combine and you love his upside. Yeah, I do. He's my number four receiver and a big reason for that is because he's one of the few receivers in this draft that can actually be has potential to be a number one in this league. Calvin Ridley, as much as I love him, I think he's a

high end number two. Same thing with DJ Moore, which those guys that are one as starters on my team. But if you're talking about that Julio Jones and AJ Green, that big number one receiver. Two guys in this draft stand out is having that type of potential. They're not

there yet. But the dunder name kid Equiminia Saint Brown and then Courtland Sutton and what he did at the combine gives you optimism that he's going to get better because he's a very He's a one speed route runner, and that's the biggest worry, is canny separate at the top of routes. He can win fifty fifty balls. We know that, but you still have to be able to separate and at the NFL level, and his shuttles, his short area agility times we're outstanding at the combine, so

you think he can do it. He's capable, physically capable he just it's going to come down to muscle memory and working on those finer points of the position. Just please let him go somewhere where they can teach him how to run routes. Yeah, just don't. Don't just throw him in the deep end of the pool and say go run routes. Because his program, he came from, his scheme, We talked, did him no favors about running routes. We talk all the time about how that's the strength of

san Jay Laws. Yeah, that's absolutely can work. Absolutely. If you're gonna contribute in the NFL as a rookie wide receiver, you better have one of two things. You either be a polished route runner like Michael Thomas from Ohio State to the Saints. He's a polished route runner, or used to be a physical marvel like Odell Beckham when he came into the league to the Giants. You have to be one of those two things if you're really going

to contribute as a rookie. And that's why for a lot of these receivers we've seen Laquon Treadwell, Corey Coleman, Yeah, a lot of these guys have struggled. Just Daxon, we've seen these guys struggle early on because they're not one of those two things, and it's just gonna take some time before they're ready to face bigger NFL defensive backs face press, gained chemistry with the offense, and I guess

it's it's fascinating to me. We'll see who's right. But our show, I think we look at Cortland and Sutton more is like pick forty to sixty ish, that's sounding fair, Yeah, I think yeah. I think I consider thirty maybe higher than that. Thirty to forty is what I would say, okay, and I feel like other outlets consider me even higher than that. I mean, he is a popular pick at nineteen for the Cowboys. I'm fascinated to see whose opinion kind of turns out to be more correct. Well, and

not sure where to go. I think opinions on him are pretty similar. Just the value that's kind of hard to pinpoint, because again we're talking about upside a guy who has to learn how to run routes and maybe he can do it, maybe he can't. We won't really know until he gets into an NFL training camp. I mean, look at Laquon Treadwell. You know he has had a tough time adjusting to everything it takes from a mental standpoint at the NFL. Maybe we're just a now. I

think Dane has got him right. Yeah, I think that Dane has him right. And where he's gonna go. I think he's got him in his ability to right. I just to me, I just want to I just hope he goes to a place where they can work with him as a out room where they can because he has the ability. I mean you can see for his height he moves well. Yeah, and the shuttles basketball. Yeah, you know this. This the film will show you that

he can move well. He really really can't. I've got a great outside the box question from Yeah, this is the last one if we could, because we got a transfer over here. But we got to answer this because I like it a lot. But we just talked about safety kind of thin. Don't love your prospects after you know one or two guys go off the board. Would you consider drafting a top tier cornerback with the thought

process of mooding moving Cheeto Woozier to safety? Is that that sounds I don't like the idea of moving you as you took Byron Jones from safety and made him corner this team, this team has not been great at that. That's been a little bit of a problement. Exception of maybe Keith and Rob forty eight games in with Byron Jones and now you're trying to play it. You think teams think about stuff like that, is like, well, sure, absolutely, I'm sure they do. And where did the Woozier start?

But he got hurt the first time he was in the Green Bay game playing safety. But the thing with the Woozier is we saw him in Colorado absolutely, we saw him absolutely hybrid linebacker absolutely. So that's the biggest difference between some of these corners. I'm looking down these the corner list, a guy like Isaiah Oliver, could he do that? Probably? Probably? So, yeah, we've never seen him do something like that. And it's a hard thing to take a guy top twenty overall and play them in

a position you've never seen him. A little different. We're talking about moving Zach Martin to guard. That's much different than talking about moving a corner to safety. It's just it's a much different position and we've never seen him do it. All right, So what can I sell you on Mike Cues at nineteen. I love I love my cues. I don't think I'm a big Mike Cues. I don't think Dane's as big a fan of Mike Cues as I am, though I haven't top twenty five in my book. Yeah,

I love my cues. Any of these corners, if they're available at nineteen, would you move? That's what I'm saying. We think about doing that. I don't. I might do Hughes. I don't like it. I don't like to move, but I might do Hughes. I know I'm not gonna get ward. I know I'm not just and just get Hey, yeah, give me the best player and yeah out we're trade up from trade up, trade up. All right, Hey, that's all the time that we do have for the Draft show.

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