Draft Show: Slight of Hands

and the s WBC studios. We have got a packed house tonight for a couple of reasons. Because we're back with Brian Protus, We're back with Bobby Belt, We've got Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Chris Beam in the back and introducing for the first time ever on the Draft Show, one of five three the fans very own Zach Waltz. How's it going. It's going great. What's going on. It's a pleasure to be here, very show. Thank you very much. You've been studying, of course, I've been studying you kidding

made ready to go. I gotta work across from you every day on the back. So you've been putting the pressure on. Yeah, hard out here. You gotta get this thing going. Man. Yeah, you guys do radio from two to seven weekday, Monday through Friday. How much is that as draft talk? We wish a lot more, not enough. Yeah, we really, we honestly could have. You know, we could have a show of five hours of draft talk. I

think we could. You know, I think that people are that interested, especially you know, the one thing I always talk about this show is the one stop shop where you know, if you're a Cowboy fan, if you're a Buccaneers fan, whatever, you can come and listen to this

show and get draft talk. I think you could do the same thing on the radio, but you have to and of course you have to talk about the Rangers and the MAVs and you know, but when when the time comes when you get to the combine and we're right there that combined week and then to get the pro days and stuff, and it starts to get closer to the draft, you could feel the station start to ramp that thing up. And so yeah, I think you

gotta be a little bit careful about it. But man, me personally, I could talk to draft five hours a day. Will you hear that beam. We're gonna do it five hours today. So well you're gonna get from eleven to four. Yeah, you're gonna get to uh you're you're gonna get to do that in the end end of April. Right, yeah, that's true. Yeah, you'll be fine. I'm Carlotas. Yeah, so you've listened to the Draft Show a couple years right? Oh heck, yes, are you kidding me? I grew up

on the Draft Show. This is this is awesome. I'm stoked to be here with you. Obviously u nt brethren. You and I've done a lot of work together Kyle so and getting to work with Brian and Bobby at one oh five through the fan love the work that Aish has been doing as well. So this is a dream come true to get to be a part of the Draft Show. I've always been a draft nerd, and I've been watching Brian from afar, and I've always wanted

to get into the broadest school of scouting. So this is my first year getting to be under his tutelage. And we'll see. I'm expecting him to kinda to bust on me a little bit, and I'm gonna give it back as well. I know there's already a couple of players that we disagree on. I can't wait. Let's do it, Let's get into it. Absolutely. Combine starts next week. We will be out there starting on Mondays when I get there, and we've got a couple ideas of how this is

going to work heading into next week. But Bobby, I mean you hearing anything any rumblings around the Cowboys before we really get into some of these draft prospects. Well,

it's funny. I was. I was actually just talking to Zach as we were both driving in, and I was like, I gotta start sorting some of this out a little bit better, start hitting up some people what they're what they're feeling, what they're seeing, So trying to get that situated, trying to because I was late in the game and this one now I'm trying to decide if I'm gonna drive or if I'm gonna pay the premium one week out flight ticket. So that's what I'm figuring out out now.

But no, I think, you know, I'm excited to see how some of the corners test, you know, I think that that's gonna be a big thing for me. Some of these receivers and just in general. Combine such a good week for not just draft stuff, but you heard so much about the free agency angle and what's happening there, and you get a better idea after talking to some people throughout the week of just hey, where does this stand?

What do you guys think of this guy? I think starting week after next is when I think we're gonna be able to come in here and have a really good idea about some of the things that they feel. Yeah, a lot of clarity, like I want to even so with the combine, I'm excited about just seeing what guys maybe have improved because there were gentlemen that I saw in the Senior Bowl that I was watching tape on before and I was like, Okay, well you weren't doing

that that well, you know before. So the combine is a time where I think you can really start to separate who's doing what and whatever. So I'm excited about it too. You get that early gathering of information. Everybody does it as scouts, and we're still kind of in that scenario of the draft where you're trying to pull in as much as everything you can you can you

can pull in. It's like drinking from a firehose. But then you get to the combine and it's more of the reinforcement of what you've heard before, right, Brian, And you get to start having those conversations. Yeah, I think the one one we have advantages and we have disadvantages to the job we do here in the draft show is the purest form of scouting we do. We get to evaluate the tape, you know. We I issue gets to sit down and she watches her defensive tackle from

you know, from you yeah, Wiscontisconsin. Yeah, we all have our people that we watch, and that's the purest form. You go to the combine, and after the combine you start to hear that maybe, well, this guy's got a medical issue, or this guy's got a issue off the field, or this guy you know, I know Todd McShay went yesterday, he went full on talking about you know, Carter, the defensive tackle from Georgia. Well there's some character flaws there, you know, And you're like, oh, okay, now I have

to ask my you know, buddies around the league. They're really character flaws here. So you know that's going to affect Like I say, I love the act. We get to evaluate, and it's the purest form. We're just looking at the players. The combine kind of fills in that medical the interviews, and then it kind of is that it puts the pie a little bit. The pro day will be the final piece of the pie, and then once you kind of get all that information, you could kind of stack your board the way you need to

do it. Carter does have maturity concerns. Oh no, where are you hearing that from. I'm that's something that I heard all the way back in the fault. Not bad stuff, just more like I kind of grow up, kind of a young kid type of thing. Not anything that would scare people off. It doesn't sound like still a top ten pig. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, No, it didn't sound like it was anything go would chase anybody off. It's just like, yeah, I'll have to grow up a lot.

I hear differently. I'm thinking he's slid into twenty six. Let's do it. I've heard it's terrible wink wing. Oh darn, he I guess he's gonna end up there. Sorry, Maybe that would be nice, would your dream? That would be fantastic. We went through some scenarios last Thursday where it was first and second round pairings, back and forth of what

you could do position wise. We got a lot of good feedback on it, so I thought we'd do something similar, But it's more so of a would you rather around the purest forum of scouting around watching the tape, So based off of the tape, based off of the scenarios that we've been given already, here are some different options that I want you to choose one or the other. Would you rather scenario number one early round corner Deontay

Banks from Maryland or Tyreek Stevenson from Miami. So this is either a late first round early second round selection. I'll start with you. I don't look at me. Who would you rather have? Well, I haven't gotten into Stevenson okay yet, that's fine? Would Deontay Banks? I was, so I'll tell you the things that I was impressed with, and then the other I was literally just talking to my homie about this. But so I wasn't impressed with his ability to flip his hips. His speed seems real.

That's why when you talk about the combine, I want to see if he has if that translates, if that makes sense, like because he looks fast on the field. Um, and I think he also understands he has I think he has good body control. He doesn't take the ball away like that though. I think me and my homie Matt Own were saying like he had two picks and like eight hundred naps or something. Yeah, and then also too,

I'm not sure he is and he doesn't. He comes out of the game often, like we were just talking about how they rotate him in in and out so much and for a corner that's I mean, I'm not saying that's not normal, but it's not. It's not It's not a guy that I would be like, Okay, well, this is a I don't know if he's a first round guy. They're thinking that he'll run like a four or five Brian, which would be like right middle of the pack, which is weird because his foot his hip

turn is so nasty, plays faster than that. That's what and that's what I was saying. I'm curious about his but like, I just don't know, Like I think he's a good player and stuff, I'm just not I didn't see like, oh, this guy take the ball away constantly and things like that. I just didn't see that what do you think that sorry, she did a good with you. I think Deontay Banks is better than Stevenson. Stevenson, I think I think Stevenson's a little grabby for me. Now,

steven Yeah, well Banks. I love the way Banks uses the sideline to his advantage. And Banks, to me, I think speed is something to his game that he uses really well. Now, one thing I did right down, and this is something where I think all Cowboy fans are looking at now because of Treyvon Digs in the season that he had. I don't think he's a set the

edge type of corner, right. He's a guy that I don't think is a dude that necessarily is always showing the willingness to want to stick his face in there and tackle. But I do love his ability in terms of being a press player. I do think when he plays off he'll give up some plays underneath. I think he's better when he presses and plays up and he's

able to be physical at the line of scrimmage. Now, Tyreek Stevenson to me, I watched more of his twenty twenty one compared to his play last season, and I think he did improve a lot more this year. But I think he does make a little bit more plays on the ball than Banks does, but I think he is a little bit more of a well rounded player for me, I'll tell you what, man. Yeah, you guys are on your game already this morning. I love it. Yeah, I you know what, I thought Stevenson might be a

guy to be a free safety. I really did. When he's six one, he's two hundred and fourteen pounds, and I kind of felt like that maybe that he would. You know, he's kind of like he plays like almost like a safety with cover skills and the movement and the assignments and the off coverage that you know, when like teammates bust, he's over there to kind of clean up things. So you see a guy, when you see a guy, he plays with that kind of awareness to his game. And so I was thinking, like, man, this

guy maybe I would move. He's a transfer from Georgia, which is interesting. George I think does a good job. We've seen every defensive player that it seems like we're watching is a Georgia player. But this guy does have really really good overall ball skills. I mean, he'll go get it. So I like that about Stevenson personally though I said I would. I would if you gave me a choice. Though, if you gave me a choice of one or the other, there I'll take Banks over Stevenson.

But I mean, I think it's a pretty good I think it's a pretty good comp When you start to talk about the two players, what about the teammate, What about Sydney Brown? Did he stand up? I'm just saying I was watching Illinois film and Sydney Brown was sticking out to me more than Deante sometimes. No, not like y'all haven't seen. I call him Swiper. Swiper, Yeah, call him because I like that, because of the size that he can just kind of hide behind guys. He's sneaky.

He reminds me of I talked about him a few weeks ago. He reminds me of a Funka. Is that his name. Yeah, he reminds me a lot of him. But I think he's a little bit he's I think he's a little bit more physical and better in coverage. But Sydney Brown another guy in Illinois team, this Illinois defense, I was impressed by them. I felt like they're really they're uh not not Illinois. My bad. Yeah, Maryland I'm actually getting the mixed up. I'm thinking about Devin Witherspoon.

My bad, but yeah, my bad. So you think the description you just gave him was about Witherspoon is what you're talking Yeah? I was, Actually I was talking about let's talk about Devin Witherspoon. Okay, I like, yeah, yeah, No, I like what you're doing here. I do, go ahead, But did you see Witherspoon at all? I've watched Witherspoon first on on Banks, Banks and Stevenson. I don't think that's close to me personally. Yeah, I think Banks is

much better than Entyrek Stevenson. Tyrek Stevenson's gonna have to be press man only to me at the next level, just because he's when you watch him play in in Zone, I just don't know that he has the awareness, and he looks like he has a lot of men I start him like dropping off in helping though, So I kind of felt like he did have the awareness and I saw it looked like and to be fair, I don't always you're not always gonna know who's responsible, but

it looked like he was directly involved in some sort of miscommunication or busts. A lot in zone from what I saw. But I think that like Deonta Banks, somebody who completely scheme versatile. I think the play strength, the size, the speed, the fluidity, all of it's really good. He's not gonna be the the area where he is going to need to improve is He's not gonna be a Trey Von Diggs like pickoff artist Banks, because I mean, it's just he He hasn't shown that sort of anticipation.

He doesn't show that sort of recognition. But I think that Banks, to me, is the safer, more sol pack especially. Can you tell me I can play Banks opposite Diggs and kind of get that planned, then I feel really good about Deonte Banks. I think it'd be a fun one two combo in the secondary here. And so Banks Banks Banks, Banks over Tyreek Stevens Sound from Miami and an honorable mention from Devin Witherspoon Alan Ellen as well.

All Right, scenario number two day two wide receivers, which is a possibility for this Cowboys team and a couple of guys that have been at least names floating out there that maybe have some interest from the guys across the hallway. Josh Josh Downs from North Carolina former tar heel is your first option. The second option it's Parker Washington from Penn State. If you've one man, you've kicked guys that are the same kind of body time the same scenario. And I did that on purpose. So, Zach,

what do you think about those two guys? Who Downs is a guy that they move all around the formation there with North Carolina. Now, he's fun. I think he's got a really sexy stutter step at the top of his route. He sets up dvs really well. He's fast, he's a fun slot player, works in the middle of the field well on drags and slants. He's explosive. But I'll tell you this, you watch Parker Washington against Ohio State, you can fall in love with that kid. I mean,

he's got an ability to extend his body. The body control is really really good. He's a hand catcher. This is not a guy that's a that's a Terrence Williams right, He's not a body catcher. This dude's gonna go and get the get the football. Strong hands catches the ball in traffic. I think between these two, I think maybe Downs could do more for you. But I was more impressed watching Parker Washington. I think I'd leave Washington here, Brian.

I know you brought up Parker Washington previously. Yeah, he's Steve Smith to me, guys man, when I'm back in the day from Utah, Steve Smith third round player. Though, goodness, I mean this cat he's five ten, he's two ten. That's where I'm working on a problem, right there. You know the thing about it in the same thing you could say about Downs, Downs is like five to eleven. Yeah, I believe I've got him at five ten and two eight, right, I guess a quarter five? Yeah, Okay, there you go.

So I mean the thing about Washington, he is compact, he's explosive. He does a lot of that work you're talking about in the slot. He can make a ton of plays because he's gonna go all over the field. The length will be a problem, but I mean he do see him extend to his absolute fullest to go get these footballs. The route runner with quickness in and out of break, stop start, quickness, impressive run after catch. This guy's a punt returner as well, so he knows

how to operate in traffic as well. I put a note down because we're talking about the combine. I'm excited to see what he runs his forty because he could end up being one of these burner towns, both of them, but Washington specifically because he's a guy. We talked about the lack of separation this year for the Cowboys at receiver Parker Parker Washington because if his starts stop quickness, he's able to separate from DBS. Let's see what they're maybe projecting him to run. Looks like a four mid

four fourth. I was hoping. I was hoping for baby a little bit better. But the tape don't lie right and he plays fast seat. How are you sure? What do you think about those guys? I just think it's fun. I just I'm at a point till where I think we talked about it last week. Is is he a player? Is he a player? Like the size thing, especially with this receiver class, seems like it's gonna be a discussion to some degree anyway, But can the guy? Can the guy play the game at a high level? And Josh Downs?

Between Josh Downs and Washington, I feel like, obviously both of them have slotability and they're able to work the slot. But the guy that has the most versatility to meet, Like you said, is why is Washington at this point? I really feel like he can come in and he can make a difference. And when you mentioned the special teams thing like that might be a huge bargaining factor in my opinion for some of these teams trying to

get better in the league on special teams. So I'm looking at Washington as a guy that can come in and do something for you immediately. I think Josh Downs can do the same thing, but there's some versatility. The thing that the lack of bulk when you watch Josh Downs, the lack of bulk bother you. Hell, he like one hundred and seventy five pounds, it don't it don't scare me because he can Yeah, he can play. But no, no, you're right about the playability. You're no, You're absolutely dead

on about the playability. The thing about it is, man, there's a lot of these receivers in this drafted Are that one seventy five one eight Flowers? Yeah? Yeah, there are a lot of those guys that I mean, and you're just I'm just not used to seeing slight right, Bill, Why And you can say the same the same thing about Hyatt from Tennessee. Kind of a slight, bil linear guy, and he's still got at least ten pounds on Downs. It's funny because you look at Zay Flowers and Downs

their body type, they're almost identical. They're both five ten and a little bit, and it's they're listed at one seventy five each. Yeah. No, I mean that's what there's not a name. It's if if Josh Downs was a little bit better route run or he would be he's a Flowers, right, but he's he's a Flowers with you know, not as precise route running as what I mean, it's the same questions. It's the size, it's the limitations in terms of where he can line up, it's the drops, like,

it's the same sort of issues. Flowers is just a more precise route runner. I think Josh Downs has the ability to, like he's got the skill set to be a really good route runner, but like somebody's gonna, I think to have to kind of like coach him up on it. Just it doesn't always look totally crisp to me. When he's running arounds. The fluidity and everything else is there, but in terms of the precision, I think he needs to improve there all, right, scenario number three, late day

two linebackers. I'm thinking like right around the third round, maybe even trade up into the early third to get these guys. I'll start with you Bobby de Over shown from Texas or Noah Soul from Oregon at linebacker. Which one you like better? Oh? Um, they're different types of players.

They're a little bit different. They're they're very down for me, but they're they're different in the sense that, like I think Noah Soul can take on blocks, he can dead blocks, he can he can play the more traditional linebacker to me, like de oversoon, if he's gonna play linebacker, he's gonna have to be a run and chase Will that they keep completely clean. Um. And I think that you're seeing it improved. Um. But I think you see sometimes the

instincts aren't the best, the recognition isn't the best. I think it did get better, and he was transitioning a little bit. But he's he's a tweeter, he's a safety linebacker. Twitter. If he's gonna play linebacker, it's got to be Will and it's got to be something where it's made easy for him that he's got you know, some of the big guys up front opening things up for him so that he can just see the play and you know, shoot the gap. With Sewel, at least, I think Sewel

has the ability to. Not only do I think he has play recognition is better, but I think he can actually get off of blocks. I don't. I can't remember I remember the last time I saw over Shown get off of a block. And so I mean, if you're asking me which one of those guys I want, I'd like the guy that I'm not dependent on a defensive tackle. So give me no Suel also too with Overshown, Like I know, he was somebody we were looking at going into the senior blown stuff like, he just really fits

the traditional linebacker size type situation. And I just look at how the league is now and there's there's no knock to those gentlemen, but he doesn't. He's so he's big like not it is not a bad thing, like you know what I'm saying, Like, but he looks big out there plus sue bulky twenty pounds. Yeah, I'm not necessarily like kind of some of the stuff we would saying about elv. Yeah, don't give me, don't kick me up, We're not gonna kick you out exactly what. He's got

a unique type of build. Yeah, and the way his legs are as well. He's got skinny legs, big upper body. I think he is a wild player. Overshown is he's raw sense in a sense, I'm not a big overshown guy. To me, I see a lot of traits that Malik Jefferson had. Malik Jefferson was in and out of the league, like I think de Mario overshows a guy that's going to be a se scouting the helmet because of the Texas could be. But to me, I wanted to like

the player, and I see upside with him. But I would tell Noah Shouel because there's times I'm watching over shown and I'm like, what the heck are you doing? Like I don't see the instincts with him. I see the instincts was Suel. The problem with Seoul is I don't know that he always has the speed to get to where he needs to go. I don't think that's a bad comp Malik Jefferson now over soon smaller than Malik Jefferson. But it was the same issue with Malik

where when Malik saw it right. When Malik guessed right, it was devastating. And when he missed it was twenty yards down the sideline. And that's what I think you see sometimes. In fact, Malik probably got off blocks a little better than Overshown does. So is that just not the ability to freelance as a linebacker. He's just got to have better awareness and recognition, because that's kind of

what he's doing, is just playing head down the whole time. Yeah, he's gotten better, and I mean he has somebody who is transitioning a little bit from you know, he's still he was used all over. They used him as a pass rusher at times earlier, and so I mean he's used in a number of different facets. So the fact that he'll now be able to focus on one thing and do that, I think you did see progress and hopefully that would continue, but you'd be banking on something, man.

I think the thing about Seul is some of his big hit he'll make some really big hits and he'll make some big ass misses though too. Yeah, you know, and when you watch him play, and the thing about it is, I love how stout he is. I think he's a tough player. I just wish he could play under a little bit better control. That's the thing that I kind of worry about him as a player. Okay,

I think that's something that you could look at. He was just a sophomore at Oregon too, came out early, so he's still a younger guy in Seul to where he could maybe grow into that that scenario we've seen Dan Quinn and he does this with LV and he hell he likes to blitz the linebackers. Noah Seul I put a note. I think he times his blitz is pretty well and I think that that's something the Cowboys might like when they watch him. And Noah Sul is a guy that I did just think he was a

very instinctive player. He diagnoses play as well. I would take Suol out of this matchup, and I think if you're able to get him at the end of day two in the third round, that that'd be a great possum. Yeah, that'd be huge all right time for our first break. So a couple of scenarios that we were able to outline there were probably bring that back. I think that's fun to kind of debate the two players. But when we come back it's time for some Twitter on the twenty.

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Company for Words, Texas. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show back. You're on the Draft show from the Star in Frisco. Is Bobby already a troublemaker for our show? Yes, yeah, no doubt. Bobby's kind of a take off the headset and just start throwing things at people. And I spent the first minute and a half quiet during the break, I just said something, Yeah, as you're kneeling down and saying, I'm just gonna tell you this guy's a first round player and you better watch him.

I'm just saying, like, I mean, there's a bargaining. I'm not saying he will be, but like also like I'm sciatic nerve and I try to get your cherry. Didn't care because I like it happens whether I'm sitting there standing Okay, okay, Twitter on the twenty right. Yeah, Yeah, we're getting into it. That's the thing is we're all such draft nerds that whenever the mics turn off, yeah, guess what we're gonna talk about draft? Yeah, it's how yells,

it's how it goes. Let's talk more draft thanks to some Twitter on the Twitter answering your fan questions on Twitter on the twenty first one for Zach Waltchez is amazing, all right. First one comes from Steve on Twitter. He said, are the Cowboys willing to draft a smaller player? That's a big question because we just talked about some smaller

wide receivers. They're good wide receivers, and it's a deep running back class, but they'll severely limit their options and the pool drives up quicker if they continue to stay away from the smaller guys. Bobby, do you think that's a possibility. Smaller guys where dall like? But but where like? I think that some areas that wouldn't matter to them, other areas. A specific question from Steven says wide receiver and running This team does not like small receivers, does

not like small running backs. In fact, it's it's nuts. If you look, there is no team in the NFL. I don't think over the last probably during the Will McClay era, I don't think there's any team that's acquired more six foot running backs than the Cowboys. Every single last one of the running backs they get is always six feet or bigger. They're usually two fifteen to twenty. They don't like the smaller built running backs. You can just see that by the way you know who they've

acquired and who they've drafted. I mean, go back over the history of Mike Weber, Bo Scarborough, Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Power. You're talking about all guys who are like six six one two fifteen to twenty two, twenty five. And then the receivers. No, I think that unless you are just a very precise, smaller receiver, a very precise route runner who doesn't get you know, the size doesn't affect them in terms of getting off a press, They're they're not

gonna take one of the small receivers. They don't want guys who are limited to the slot. So Za Flowers, Josh Downs, those are not guys I think they would like. Should a chain from A and M no go at running back, the baggy fans are gonna be upset. Typically, smaller guys are not their their flavor. And who was the last one of your lance Stunbar? Yeah? Probably yeah Green? What about five eleven? Can can we get a five eleven five eleven and a half all right, so we

still have the tay Jay Spears dream alive. Oh yeah, he's slight though. That's the problem is he's a little light in the butt. Because even five to eleven, they picked up Malik Davis. They like Malie Davis, but he's still over two hundred pounds. It was got some beef to him. I was blown away and there was so much higher, so much high watching this kid. So I put him on. I'm like, okay, I'm ready to pick him. Aparts five nine, two oh five. That's not too thin

for his his height. Yeah, dud, dude's a dream. He can do everything you want. He can catch it out of the backfield. He's the best player on the field. And that includes against USC. He was I watched me. It's USC, Houston, Cincinnati, and in the big moments, you go to that guy, he'll make a play for you. I mean, you talk about some pound for pound best players in this draft. He's up there. That dude special. What do you think, Brian, I'll tell you what. I

like what you're saying. I think this is a really good group of running backs. So I think this wide receiver group is not as good as what we've seen the last two or three years. I'm a little scared about that. I was gonna ask you, guys, if you get seen Kancy from Pittsburgh, the defensive tackle. I watched him after you talked, Okay, this is what This is

a guy you need to watch. This six foot you know, two hundred and seventy five pound guy that will challenge your That will challenge your your your thought about drafting a small guy or a short guy. That will challenge you right there because you start to see it and you're going to guy, this guy's making a ton of plays. Oh damn, he's only six foot tall. You know that kind of thing. So I'm always interested in these players.

My old boss of the Packers, Ron Wolf, who was in the Hall of Fame Hall of Fame general manager, You say, Brian, a kid better walk on water if he's short, you know, so you better walk on water if you're one of those players. You got anybody that

walks on water? I usually no, I'm just it's fust It's frustrating to me to a degree because I feel like I understand you hate the way play people draft just I understand the stipulations and stuff, but I just feel as though, like, if they play, they play right, that's you. I'm learning this about you. You are. If they play, they play like if the guy's a difference maker, the guy is a difference maker. And also too, I mean your quarterback has succeeded with a smaller slot corner.

I mean Cole Beasley got the Cole Beasley started looking like a receiver receiver when Dak got it when he started playing with Dak Man. And I really honestly feel like that was a dope security blanket for your quarterback. He's seen success with those. And even if Randall Cobb when he was here was able to see some success with Dak too, And just having that smaller guy that's dependable, that's just kind of there and that can get open on his own is made a difference with this quarterback.

And so that's what's frustrating to me, is like, yeah, you may have your idea of what a quarter wide receiver should look like, but what has helped your quarterback succeed. I'll never forget this working for Bill Parcels. He hated dat when and Dexter Cokeley hated him when he got in. He goes I got to get rid of these two guys. By the end of it, he was like, what was

I thinking about these players? And to your point, though, you know, if you could play, you could play, you know, I mean every some teams do have this, the parameters, and you know they don't. They don't want to mismatch looking team. They want all the same looking guys getting off the bus. But there's some teams that will take that will take smaller guys because they have vision for the players, shorter guys because they have vision for the players.

And even a guy like a crusty old guy like Bill Parcels fell in love with dat Win and in Dexter Coco, I think because they make plays. Parcels gave an interview later in his career too, where I think he said dat when as the player he was most wrong about in the entire time of his time working in the NFL. There's something to it, man, if you're a little shorter guy. But Tysha's point though, if you make plays, there's a reason to have you on that

on that fifty three man roster. I mean, I get worrying about like guys being able to get off a press, especially since this seems like it's kind of an a press league and all that stuff. But at the same time, it's just like, I don't know, that's that's just kind of where I'm at with it. Like, I guess can't be choosers out here in these streets, and you need a wide receiver. And even so this philosophy is kind of to me, what got you in trouble this season?

If you're talking about the Cowboys, is hey, a lot of your receivers look the same lately, they looked like the say, they look the same, they do the same things, and you have to bring in a t y who was a totally different body shape, smaller guy to you know, kind of boost your offense. So I'm just like, come on, let's let's get it, Like, let's do what's best for what your quarterback is doing and what he needs here. Small doesn't bug this staff as long as they feel

you can play outside. Say that. So if you if you, if you are in this, if they feel your slot specific, that's where they have a problem. It's it's not the size as much as it is you got to show you can play outside. If we feel like you can't play outside, we have no use for you. So we're starting we're starting a petition today. You can sign online at whatever website you choose, change dot org, change, yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, I don't even know if there's

a sponsor or not. But we're drafting smaller players in twenty twenty three. You just want my name at the bottom. Okay, takes one of no one. You guys, You guys might want to have a word with the gentleman who puts that board together. Yet that gentleman ate back in. We're talking to him here now. We'll ask him about ask him about I ask him that. Oh yeah, I asked him about Hey, will ask him about that. We may have to winfield junior nod. We tried. We talked about

that for four months. Upset. I was upset. Yes, well you were right about him, all right. Second question, Dan said, what is the most under the radar need for the Cowboys this year? Would it be linebacker depth or safety? Kicker? Question mark or maybe somebody something else? He didn't you should go go on your rant about safety. I don't have a whole rant about safety. Sounds like you have a ran. I thought you and I were talking about this.

You were saying this team is gonna you know, You're like, I think it's a sneaky need. I think it's a sneaky need. I do I think. I like, there's no guarantee. I would love Donovan Wilson to be back here. We don't know if right, Malee Cooker this is what his second? Is this a second years? More? Um? And then also too, I feel like Israel mcquomwell kind of made things kind of weird because he was like, hey, guys, I know you want me to be a safety, but I'm a corner.

And so I mean, you have Marquis Bell. I'm a corner. You have Marquis Bell sitting there in the wings, you know, but Jayron curses? What like is this his third year? Second year? Yea third year at the Cowboys. I mean you, I essentially think you could get a safety and I

wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad about it. But I've just been I tweeted yesterday, I was just thinking to myself, like, do you need a right tackle of being a backup at least because that kind of derailed your whole situation last year into so much so you have to put tyre in at right tackle I think Terren Steele is that guy, like he's gonna be fine, but he's coming back from an ACL injury. Don't know when he's gonna be one hundred percent. Then we'll know

when he's gonna be there. Who's your backup right tackle? Right now? They'll tell you it's ball, and well, let's go. You'll put, you'll put, You'll say ball, question mark. I saw your tweet. I'm gonna continue to say ball question mark. However, sorry, I said. They do think, well, Let's go could eventually grow into like a starting caliber tackle. The whole training camp had played better in the last game they ball

played them. They drafted him knowing he had the shoulder sublexation, so that was something where he was he was hurt the whole time. If that's somebody that like the size and the movement skills, they think is really rare at tackle, and so I know they think, well, let's go can be kind of grow into that. They didn't think he was ready last year. They knew he'd kind of have baptism by fire. But I think they believe, like, hey, give this two to three years. Yeah, he's a legitimate,

you know, guy who could step in and spot starter. Eventually, you know, be somewhere and say, hey, that's somebody we feel like we can comfortably start a tackle. What about center? Okay, you're gonna about to be in your last year. Tyler Botts. He's a pro bowler, and hey, I love Tyler Biott. I think that to be the most most improved player on the team. Why you're gonna try and get that that kid from Minnesota. I'm about to just go for John Michael Schmidtz here. Oh my god, I think tell

me about him. We haven't talked about him yet. This dude is a first round employer. You gotta save in your chest. Yeah, you're I think John Michael Schmidtz one of the best players in this raft period. Absolutely the center from the center from Minnesota. He is. He is an absolute stud. You watch a center play and you see a difference maker. This guy's special. Like, if you want to get it, they passed on last year, Well

this guy. This guy's not small guy like Linderbaum. You know, we were just talking about small people with short arms and they didn't like that. Hey, don't talk about my guy that way, John Michael Schmidtz, you don't have that issue. This guy's six four, he's big, he moves people, he gains the second level. He's good and pass pro run blocking. He is an absolute stud. He's out of Minnesota and I loved him. And he's not even rated as the best center in this route depending on where you look.

But the dude's a football player. He's quick, and he just seems like a pain in the rear type of guy to have to go up against. He's gonna make your day a living hell. He's got really good awareness and feel for where rushers are coming from. He adjust accordingly, gets everybody lined up, moves people, finishes his blocks. He's got balanced. I love him. I absolutely love Wait wait till this cat gets picked, and he's gonna go. Oh, I told you this. That team always loves these kind

of guys. Gonna be a Baltimore Dealers draft. Here telling you. The good thing is, I don't think it'll be the Eagles because last year they took their replacement, yeah of Kelsey, So just don't let him go within the division when the Cowboys don't take him. But that guy, just remember the name. He's gonna be amazing. We can credit Washington. They're not gonna pick him, and then maybe New York picks him. They're kind of trending in the right direction.

Maybe they make a smart And I'm not trying to get Ridio Tyler Beatis. I'm a big you just did you gave like this this report? Like you knew guy like right now? Yeah? Base off of that you gave me. Give me John Michael, let's roll. All right, he's good. Did you watch him, Brian? Oh? Yeah, what do you think about it? He's not wrong, did you Yeah? He's I was so impressed with him at the Senior Bowl. Is the way that he he's um, he's really he's

technically savvy in my opinion. His hands are so good, the way that he can readjust you know, to like the initial punch of guy and like he's powerful where he can take the impact and be like, oh let me fix you real quick. Yeah, let me let's have a talk my guy. All right? Final question this comes from Mike. I like it they had him right. Do you guys believe that Marvin mims junior style of play can win at the NFL level at his smaller size

wide receiver. Mid round pick Oklahoma, Zach, you and I sat in this very Studio a couple of years ago talked about him playing for Frisco lone Star in high school back in the day. What do you think about him translating to the league. I think Marvin Mims can translate. I think the question will be is he a guy that can win outside? He could be a slot only type of guy. He gets back to what Bobby was talking about. Yeah, you think he can win Bobby, Um,

they're right, he doesnt get pumped off some routes. I think it's more feasible for Mems to line up outside than guys like Flowers of Downs we've talked about today. Um, mid round pick so you because I think Mems could go like third round? Yeah, yeah, Okay. When I remember what I normally think, like fourth, fifth, I was like, ah, like I thought Marvin Moms was better than Actually I'm three. If I say mid round, I'm usually thinking like three

to six, six is probably late round. I should probably move that to like three four the job I'm trying, you know, yeah generic Look, I mean like Mems is a guy who I think is a decent route runner. I don't know about when he goes over the middle

of the field. You got some of the contested catch stuff that's not always great with mems M. But he's somebody who I think as a project in the third round, Like like, I mean, you can't expect him to step in and play right away, but it's somebody who if you take him in the third round, I think it's somebody that if you have the patience and the ability to to which this team right now does not, specifically for Dallas, he's somebody that if you let him kind

of grow a little bit, you know, two years into this, I think he could play inside out. Yeah, I'll tell you. Bobby's got him dead right. And I think his best to trade is his ability to track the ball. That's kind of where I you know, I saw him. Everything Bobby said is absolutely right about the player. But like when you say when when he goes and see when he sees the ball, he's gonna he's gonna likely make the catch. I mean, he makes some really good adjusting

catches when you watch him play. So the concentration and all that, but I think that again it goes back to that slight build of a lot of these wide receivers. I'm interested to see how they when you talk to scouts, whether it's at the you know, pro days or whatever, you know, combine. I'd like for them to rank the slightly built wide receivers for me, you know, give me

an idea. How do you see? I mean that might be whoever figures out the slightly built wide receivers in what order that might be that that might be the key to this draft, especially at wide receivers. And also how they how they I would like to know. I don't know who's who's going, but I would like to know how they if they look at a player, If a scouts looking at a player like, hey, he is kind of small, Well, if you do take a chance on him and bring him in, how do you go

about maybe one him to put on size? Do you want him to put on size? Like? Is that something that some of these got these scouts are willing to do, Like, hey, yeah, I want to take this guy and he can do this, but maybe I want him to put on tim more pounds. Is that something that they do? Is that something that they say to play vast guys to put on weight? And I don't know that you'd ask mems to put on weight as much as like I don't know that

Mems down. Yeah, I think Mems this thing more with the the getting knocked off the routes and stuff like. I think that's just about you know, that's been a more polished route. Rondwars. I don't think the I don't think the size is what really He's a one two, which is not just but he plays. He plays bigger to me than flowers are down stuff. Ye about his ability to track the ball, like Brian said, in his body controls is what sets him apart. I mean I got to go to that Texas so You game two

years ago, that catch he made by the pylon. One of the best players I've ever seen, and that was Son in his face he went up and snagged that football. Marvin Mims is head of a player. I think he got three d have w kids from our backyard that played high school football here that are going to be successful at the next level. I think Jackson Smith and Jigba my favorite receiver in the draft. I know some disagree with that. I don't think you overthink it. I

think that kid's going to be an absolute star. I like Rashi Rice. We'll have to see about the off the field issues. I know speed is an issue for him. That dude just goes ahead. Hey, well look this is something Bobby said earlier. Oh now you're blaming Bobby. I'm blaming Bobby. I'm putting this on the beltster. And then I do think Marvin Mims is going to be successful as well. And you didn't even mention Quentin Johnson too,

and in that same scenario too wide receiver too. Yeah. Wow, look at you Texas guys up front for Zach Waltcha. I'm sorry, what I don't I haven't Maybe I don't know, but like the off the field stuff, maybe Rice, Yeah, we can talk about maybe I don't know. I like the guy. Let's take our second break when we come back, which my issue with the problem is with Rice. No, we may talk about that. We're gonna do some tell me more when we come back. Right after that. I'm

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time for some tell me more. I want to hear about a couple of safeties, guys, because Aisha's over here in the corner, standing on the table, yelling, shouting from the rooftops that safety might be a sneaky need. So I want to hear about some of these. He put you on that. How are you going a lot like that? I mean, we heard it earlier. It's on to table. There was totally some standing on the table. My legs won't even let me get a I don't know, I

saw you standing up. You're waving around Jordan Battle out of Alabama. Tell me more. Brian brought us. I'll tell you what, man. You know, he might not run great, but this guy is a fierce tackler. And I love the way he deals with ball carriers in space, the way he throws his body around, he gets through trash. He's got range. I mean, you know the speed, sure, but man, I think he reads routes quick enough and it allows him to drive on the ball. He's got

some good ball skills. I think he's a finisher. He has a feel ford of time to break in order to make the play and be disruptive. So you know, you see him carry guys down the field. He's kind of a right place at the right time player. You know. I didn't see him get fooled very much. I feel like he does a really good job of playing with his eyes, and I think that's something that if you lack speed, you can find ways to manipulate to get

to the ball. And I think is this guy's playing a ton of big games in his career and none of it ever looks too big for him to watch him play. So I am a big fan his. Can I mention one other guy real quick that I'm a fan of yea and yeah, and I'll see if you guys have seen it, I'll give you tell me more if you guys done, Ronnie Hickman from Ohio State. Okay, okay, well then let me ask you another guy. Then? How

about how about this? How about Christopher Smith from George George watched all right, let me talk about Christopher Smith real quick. Then he's in Safety from Georgia. This is another physical guy. He's always around the ball, He sees the field. He's really good at reacting. You know, he's the awareness that you know, the eyes are always at the right spot. With this guys, he'll make his share it plays either near the line or deep. You know,

the movement is really really good. I'm super impressed with that. The way he's able to drive on the ball from deep. This guy can also he's a blitzer and so you can you know, you can kind of play him up and rush him. You could play him in coverage. I think his smarts are really, really, really good. So a name to keep an eye on if you're looking at safeties. Christopher Smith from Georgia was one, and then you need to watch the kid from from Ohio State as well.

That would be would yeah, Ronnie Hickman. Now I think you need to watch those two. And I liked Hickman because I got to go see Ohio State play Iowa at the Shoe and Hickman did stand out to me.

I thought he was a good player. But I'm with you on Jordan Battle and he to me, is the one guy that I we've been able to see his coverage ability like I think he's a true deep center center fielder, shows a lot of good range that I have some question Like Antonio Johnson from A and M. I love him like, I think he's a good down downhill player, tackles really well. I think he can cover tight ends, but I have some questions on can he play deep, Like can can he go ahead and play

the center field role for you? Or is each more of a true strong safety play within the box. Jordan Battle to me, shows a lot of good versatility. The thing with Johnson though that I noticed and I didn't maybe you didn't. I just they put him in the slot. They did, like, you know, here's the guy six pounds playing in the slot. I shoudn't see him play him back. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Bat battle will run better. I think then he looks on tape. I think his

testing speed will look good. I don't. I don't think he's gonna blow it away, but I think he'll come out and it'll look fine. It's it's not gonna be egregious. That's if not. They'll get him faster at Alabama because I'll go time him and i'll get him at thirty eight yards. Yeah, they'll go all the way down. Then my clock will get him at thirty eight, not forty. Trip to Tuscaloosa. There's a couple of guys there. We've done that a couple of times. I would cowboys dot

Com made road trips to Tuscaloosa. You think Eric would let us rent an RV. Let's just roll. We've done that before too. I think we should. I think with dream Land barbecue is calling her name. That sounds nice. Are you sure any safeties that you've had your eye on? Yeah, I was looking at one last night. Um Uh, Boise State jail skinner dude. I like him. He's he's a

he's a dude. Um. I like how vicious he plays, and you would look at him and you would think that with how vicious he plays, that he has a whole bunch of penalties and stuff. He has a lot of control. I was also listening to an interview where he was just kind of talking about picking and choosing when he wants to lay the hammer, and he died.

I think he diagnosis well, Um, obviously he can be in a box player, but he showed us tell in the Senior Bowl especially, the biggest thing was like Kenny cover, Kenny whatever, and he's his I just feel like at the line of scrimmage, he's first, like putting it, when he puts his hands on you, when he gets his hands on guys, or just like like bounces off of him, like you can feel him. He's a physical dude. But I was impressed. I was a pressed impressed by him

watching him last night. I think you can play six four, two ten, big dude at safety, massive, massive frame. We're actually looking at some highlights of him right now. He's a hard hitter, he's a thumper, comes down here, he's a thumper. And I was again like when you when you look at guys that are thumpers and stuff like that, you say yourself, Okay, well what type angles are they taking?

Are they like? And he's very key to He talks about it a lot, like how important it is is that even though he is a hard hitter and he chooses to do that, he wants to set the tone of like taking the right angles and being in the put right position and stuff. I like the player a lot, and I think, um, he also too, He's gonna clean

up a lot of trash for you. Yeah, he's gonna clean up a lot of trash if he decided to use him in the nickel or if you have decided to ad him in the box, Like he's able to come in there, and he's gonna help him run support as well. He's a run defense machine, tackle machine. Uh nine nine and a half tackles for lost, two hundred and eight tackles. Yeah, I mean, is this come on, get out of here. Yeah. And he's also too just he's around the ball all the time. He's around the

ball all the time. That boys he field. Let me tell you something. I was watching that tough on your eyes. Oh man, he triggered my migraines. Yesterday. I was like, okay, well here here, here we go better in life. Yeah? Wait, wait you catch? Wait you catch. In Eastern Washington, where they throw a red red field, we stop red field. Worse, Eastern Michigan will throw a gray field on your two stop. I enjoyed Washinga. He's got purple and gray every five yards.

There you go. Now, I had to pick and choose, like how long I watched him? But he's lengthy. I think he's gonna be him right. Yeah, I like him a lot. I like him a lot, but that's my guy. So a couple of safeties to round out the draft show. I really like Jail Skinner. I'm glad you brought him up. I was excited to see him in the ball game, but he was too scared to play in North Texas. Lets go. He can't believe he opted out, got this future or something. He decided not to play the main Green.

He don't want to fraid that we're gonna get hurt. Zach and Green part don't happened? All right? Does it? For us? Here? On this Wednesday? We will be back tomorrow like I said, eleven am Central Time. More Draft Show here from the Star in Frisco for Bobby Belt. Brian brought us Zack Walt, Chuck Ayesha Morrison, and Chris Beam in the backup Kyle Yoman saying so long, thanks for joining us on the Draft Show. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.