Draft Show: Show and Tell

I'm here with Aisha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans. We've got Chris Beam in the back and now on the phone lines wearing his Raesis Senior Bowl shirt because we saw it for as split second. You're not gonna see him on the video, but you're gonna hear him for the rest of the episode. Our very own Brian and brought us live from a radio row out at the Super Bowl. Brian, glad to have you back. Buddy. How is Glendale? How's it going up there? Well, it's going great, guys. It's

good to be if my Scout buddies as always. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, a lot of really cool interviews. It could be very hectic, but you'll be surprised how many people will walk up to you and start talking about the draft. I mean it's like, you know, you're They're like, hey, you're that guy that talks about the draft. I'm like, yeah, yeah, so the next thing, you know, so, yeah, the draft shows known worldwide here and a lot of folks are very very interested in it.

And I'm excited to be with you guys today. I'm looking forward to being with you guys in studio next week. And you know, it's one of those things technology and old people never seem to work very well together. So we'll figure it out one day. Beam did a heck of a job trying to get me to you. I just couldn't quite make it. That's okay, Well, we've got you on the phone and that's going to be great throughout the rest of the episode. Now, you mentioned people

coming up to you and talking draft. Of course your your world known as well. Who's the Who's the biggest person that's come up to you so far on Radio Row and wanted to talk draft? Who's well number one? Yeah, Well, you know it's funny. Michael Lombardi and I used to work together in Philadelphia and ran a draft together, and you know, we were kind of talking about Dallas philosophy

and stuff like that. He was he does a show on this and you know, and I do my stuff on one to Fly three the fan Michael Silver, you know, who's a very well respected was NFL network guy and things like that. It's just it's funny, you you kind of um. I was even talking with Jim McMahon about it a little bit. I had a chance to reminisce with Jim who I was with in Green Bay, and he was talking about the Bears and stuff and you know, what do you do with the pick and things like that.

So it's funny just people they know what your background is and they just feel like, well, yeah, I've seen you do this before. I've seen you talk about this, sou But yeah, it's it never it never stops. You know, we're gonna break and somebody will wander over and you know, visit like the Raiders are here, that my buddies from the biggest Raiders are here. So I went down and they're already planning on, Hey, how can we get you on to talk about the draft? So it's it just

never stopped. No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all. So this is your first year covering the draft with us. But what's the biggest thing that's kind of stood out to you to this point? I mean, because like Brian said, it never really stops up until April thirtieth, I mean, it's go, go go. But what's been your best impression of it so far? So far? I think my biggest thing I'm taking away from the draft is just how different we all see the game. Like I can see I can look at a player and then I That's

why I'm really not active on Twitter right now. It's just being straight up with y'all, like, because there's so many different opinions about players that I don't want nothing to sway me from what I'm seeing unless you know we're having that discussion about Like, but that's my big this thing is that so many people see players differently, and then also certain teams may see players differently because I might look at a guy and be like, oh, well,

he doesn't he doesn't separate well, but a team might be looking at a possession receiver. So that's just the biggest thing I'm noticing is like what I see is not what everyone else sees, and to be respectful of other people's thoughts and then to evaluate from there. I issue. What you gotta remind him about is that ice cream, Buddy man. First thing, first thing you ask him me is hey, what's your favorite favorite flavor? And they tell you chocolate, and you're a rocky road person. Just remind

him to scout. He's a little bit like ice cream. We all love ice creaming. We all love ice cream at the end of the day, we just have different flavors that we love. If you like chocolate ice cream, no, I'm a little little worried you're not a chocolate ice cream Listen something. Some things don't need to beat chocolate. And I think those ice cream really Okay, this is a completely separate discussion. This is a whole different issue. It's it's the offseason. I'm gonna come on like girls talk,

boys talk, and we're gonna know. Okay. So, speaking of different flavors of ice cream and speaking of these these players, this is this might be my favorite part of the draft process because it's informational gathering. We're drinking from a fire hose. We're learning about these prospects. We're finally seeing these all star games, We're seeing the Senior Bowl, in the Shrine Game, and all of these different aspects that lead up to the combine. And then really once the

combine hits, that's when you're really ranking. That's when you're starting to put players versus players and you're really starting to hit it. Brian, based off of what you were able to look at from the Senior Bowl last week, I mean, this is probably the last time we'll hit on the Senior Bowl. But I wanted to get your thoughts. What position groups stood out the most to you if you had to pick one that evaluation wise, really jumped

off the chart to you. Yeah, I think that. To me, I really like what I saw with this defensive lineman and stuff like God, I mean, that was something to me. And that's just one of those hard positions to to kind of focus on, I mean, not to focus on, but man, you can make a break your team when you start to talk about these defensive linemen. And you know, and I really do like I think the Senior Ball

I'm friends with Jim Naggi, the director of it. I think they do a tremendous job overall of bringing this all and focus. I really really like the fact that you know, there's some of these quarterbacks too that you know they're not really the top level guys, But what you were doing was you were studying guys that were probably in the middle of this draft. I thought that

was really a cool aspect about it as well. And not to mention if you're the Cowboys, if you're going to take a quarterback, it's gonna line up probably where those guys were going to be taken, and we hit a couple of them yesterday with Clayton Tune and Max Duggan from TCAU. Tune from from Houston. You mentioned the defensive line and Aisha's pet Kat has been in that that conversation on the defensive line. Who were some of

the names that that really popped off the chart for you? Well, that's the one I was really really focused on right there to me because again, Aisha was on that one really really really early. And what I've tried to look at for the Cowboys aspect is, Okay, where are you going to find that potential that defensive tackle. Where are you going to find that guy that maybe and you know, like I said, she she was. I remember very early in this process, she says, you got to watch this guy.

And I'm like, ye'a'll get I'm getting to him. I'm trying about you know, from Wisconsin. She said that name, and you and I were both like, what, We've got some homework to do. Yeah and so yeah, and I was, you know, and I just I think that Dallas to me, you know, you're looking at that, You're looking at that free technique and you're just kind of like going, or they know the one those inside players, and you're just saying, who could be that guy? Because it looks like the Cowboys.

You know, we'll see with with OsO Diggi Zol. We felt like that he was making some progress in there. We've talked about Carlos Watkins a bunch, you know what he was able to do. Aisha brought up something that was really really good about about Watkins's You know, his mindset is one thing's changed when he got released to

when he came back. But yeah, you know that defensive tackle spot, you're just watching that going, Okay, somebody show me something here, Somebody show me what they can you know, how they can play in this thing. And h and be really really effective. And I I think that's the one. If you're if you're a fan of you know, looking for a guy looking for a tackle, that's a really

good place to start. Yeah. Him um. I asked Dane yesterday, Brian, I said, if you had to choose between Benton, Um, if you had to choose from Keano Benton from Wisconsin, I don't want him at at at a tamawa at a barre yep, Addie Addie Bari Yes from Northwestern him and uh Carl Brooks from Bowling Green. Yeah, amazing who's

out of those guys? And I agree with you on the DT thing is that you know, Carlos Watkins had a calf and in this last game, so you know he was a key, key guy that they brought back. But the DT position, even from what you saw from Hankins, having that guy in there, a big true nose in there, sure really helped their your linebackers, and I think it helped your edge players kind of be able to play a little bit more free as well. So I'm I'm looking at DT because I really think that that could

be somewhere that they go. I think you're spot on because you look at look at John Ridgeway's pick last year. They're trying They're trying to find this big nose tackle. They're trying to find somebody to replace Quentin Bohannah at the same time, because they'd spent a draft pick on him a couple of years ago and he's been okay, he hasn't been necessarily that guy. They brought in Jonathan Hankins. Hankins was probably the best out of the bunch in terms of a space eater, multiple gap guy in the

middle of that defense. They haven't found that big nose tackle piece that can kind of be the early domino to fall for dan Quinn's system. And they might be able to find that in this draft. And I think there are guys it could even be a three technique if you really wanted to. But Brian, you're looking at the way that Dallas has drafted defensive tackles over these last few years, does it deter you at all from the three technique? Because you mentioned Osa Digizua, he's starting

a pan out. You moved Chauncy Gholst into three technique. Then you also have Neville Gallimore, who hasn't necessarily voted the way that he thought he would as a third round pick. Do you maybe hesitate on working at three technique if there's a really good nose tackle or vice versa. Well, I think a lot of it, guys. You know, as we watched this team through the years, was really dictated

on what Rod Marinelli wanted from his defensive lineman. And I think the way that I think with Dan Quinn, who is a former defensive line coach himself, and then with a D you know they're being as a line coach. I think that to me, that that focus for so many years under the Jason Garrett administration, when Rod Marinelli was here. You know, Rod was always like, oh you you could go find that one techniq somewhere or somewhere

else or you know, you know whatever. You know, I reminded him that like well Man Booker McFarland, I think was a first round pick, you know, I mean that was your one technique with Warren Sapp playing the three, so you know you did address that with a premium pick. You know, for the over those years, it was really you know, it was kind of a neglected position. And uh,

you know, I think that's currently changed. You know, Dan, I think Dan when you know, when Dan was out of the league for that year and had to reevaluate where his defense was, it was, you know, like, I can't play with this guy. I can't play with that type of guy. Can't. Well, I've got to include this guy, you know. I think that's where we've involved to right now, is with the Cowboys. Is you know they went out

and made a trade for Hankins. You know, there's there's a time a former administrations that wouldn't have done that. They wouldn't have gone out and got the three hundred and thirty pound defensive lineman, just wouldn't have done it. And I think that the fact that you're more open now to take in those kinds of guys because there's a lot of these defensive tackles that come into play,

you know, especially with these one technique guys. You know, a guy at Baylor three hundred and fifty eight pounds, you know that, you know those the kind of thing Smith from Michigan three hundred and thirty seven pounds. You know, these are these are big guys, and there used to be a time where you didn't really see the previous

group really look at those those kind of players. And Brian, I want to ask you, with that being said, looking at how the Cowboys have drafted a DT this last two three years, since since um dan quinn has been here, one thing I've noticed is that a lot of the guys they've drafted had some pass rush ability. And so you know, when you look at Nevill Gallimore, I mean that kind of was something I saw with him, and

that was actually something you saw at Bohannah. So with that being said, do you think that that's something they maybe stray away from a little bit more saying that you saw Hankins come in and not he did obviously have some past opportunities that he did a few things, but he really was there to just eat up double teams and just make it easier because you have so

much depth on the edge. So I wonder if that approach that they've had in the last couple of years, if it changes, given the Bohannah thing is not what you thought it was going to be. The Neville Gallimore things not what you thought it was going to be. Ohso Diggi Zuua, I think definitely is coming along. I felt like his rum fits were so much better towards the end of the year, but he has pass rush

ability and I think he's still great. But when you're talking about, hey, a one tech, we've seen what a one tech that's just the one tech we do for this defense, I wonder if they stray away from what they've been doing because it hasn't worked out the way

that maybe they looked at it. Man, you bring up a great point, because you know, drafting is all about trying to eliminate the mistakes that you made in the past exactly, you know, I mean you're like, Okay, when we were looking at these one techniques, were we looking for one techniques that were pass rushers that are that have the ability? I mean, you're not gonna get many one techniques that it's very very rare. I mean, you know, we know the guy down in Tampa the first one

that came to my mind too. Yeah, when you watched him, come out of watching him, I mean you you saw like you were like, Okay, this guy gets I mentioned and Kyle doing my last name on kid at Baylor. I want to make sure I pronounce it right to Beata's attach. What's his name? How do you say it's last ye Eka? Okay Eca okay? I just want to make sure I said it right, because I'll jack that

up in a heart beat. But Ika, you know, he was one of these guys that, you know, when you start to talk about again, three hundred and fifty eight pounds, you could play him as a true nose. You could play him as a one. I mean, he's got speed, he's got quickness, he's always on the move. He's never you know, you rarely see him slow down or you know,

you know, get stopped. And so you know, you kind of like you're like, man, this guy does enough of like getting rid of blockers and and kind of getting into the backfield as a pass rusher. And so you know, that's the thing about it. If you're sitting there at twenty six and I don't know, I mean this this kid to me, when you're that big and you got

the trade, how you should that you're talking about? That's the that's the thing that you're like that that kind of lures you back into, Wow, maybe we can get this big one or this big nose. It actually has some pass rush tendencies to him, and that that's a very very aviting thing when you see a player player like that. It kind of looks like, yeah, you'll look it out. And I've always been a fan of his. He was. He came on the scene very quickly with

Baylor as a freshman. He was seeing starter minutes and he was a transfer from LSU initially Brown that I know you had kept your eyes on as soon as he transferred thee I know as soon as he was there from Baton Rouge to Waco, he was already a playmaker. And he's been the anchor of that Baylor defense, which of course US under Dave Randa has done a phenomenal job these last couple of years. He is a pass rushing type of nose tackle. He can kind of fit

into that mold. He's not Vita Vea, Don't get me wrong. He's not going to come in and immediately be a game wrecker, but he has the traits to produce from a nose tackle standpoint, and he may be a second round pick. He's probably not going to be a first round guy. He'll be a second to third round guy,

which might fit where Cowboys Nation is looking. Well. Yeah, and this is where you have to also be very mindful of your draft position because what happens is and we've learned this over the years of when we work on a draft is teamsit are at the bottom of the board or a little bit at the mercy of the board, and some players that you think that you might get to the second round or third round, you have to consider maybe a round earlier because they're not

going to get to you. I mean people used to say, oh, well that was a reach. You know. People probably talked about Tyler Smith. Oh that's a reach. You know, I don't need to do whiney boys there, but it was yeah, I remember, yeah, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. And you're sitting at the bottom of a round and you take a player and it might be it might be twenty twenty five picks earlier than everybody else has him. That's okay, because you're not going to get that player

when you're waiting. You sit there and wait for your picks to come to you like that, and you're like, oh, we'll just wait for the second round. This guy would be there. You know, sometimes it works out, but there's a lot of times it doesn't work out. So you might have to grab a guy at twenty six a little bit earlier than you thought you might oh good, sorry, what was that now? I was going to add that?

And we're talking about the DT position, and you talk about like not just you know, you're waiting for the board to fall to you, but you also do have to have some aggression, and I think from the DT position, and I specifically think you got to do that because we saw this year the run game is bad in these streets right in the NFL right like so you're a lot of teams you are going to be going into this draft to me with the intent like even some of these linebackers you see you're like, oh yeah,

you got some power, rich ability, but can you defend the run? A lot of these edge players like can you defend the run? That was like a universal thing I felt like through the NFL, even some of the best teams in the NFL. You look at the forty nine ers and the Eagles, you can attack them on the edges like you can attack a lot of play A teams right now on the edges. So and and also to just running the ball. So I think that the DT position D line like they're going to be

looking for guys to stop the run. And I'm I think that you do have to be aggressive with getting some of these higher, these guys that are higher of well, let's yeah, let's be honest here though, And I think again she makes a great point. The first, the first player in the draft is likely to be a defensive tackle, you know, Chamlon Carter out out of Georgia. I mean that just shows you right there off the chump can ash you guys. Maybe I don't know if we're going

to break real quick. Have you guys seen the kid from pitt Kawai Chakansie, the kid from Pittsburgh that's six foot, two hundred and seventy five pounds. I have not. Did you did you watch him? Yeah? I had you seen him at all? He's Pittsburgh. Yeah, so neither one of us have seen her as seen Brian. But here I want to I got asked that in Twitter on the twenty. Let's answer that. When we come back, let's take a

quick break. I want to hear your scouting report on him, because I mean, that's a guy that I marked as we need to probably talk about. Let's do that. Let's take our first break when we come back. We'll hit Kalijah Cancy and we will look ahead to some of the other position groups of value in the middle rounds with Twitter on the twenty with more draft show right after this. Hey Cowboys fans, if you're looking for a full time or part time job, check out Liberty Tax,

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Company for ort Texas. This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Back here on the Draft Show presented by Miller. Light Here from the Star in first go alongside Ayesha Morrison. We've got Brian brought us on the phone line from Radio Row at the Super Bowl. Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's you know. It's the second segment, which means it is time for some Twitter on the Twitter Twitter on the twenty being quick on the trigger today. Let's go all right, let's start

things off with Brian's guy. He was just talking about him a moment ago. Elijah Cancy. I said his name wrong butchered it in the first segment. That's okay, I got it right this time out of Pittsburgh, kind of a tweener type. But we had candy Man two one four that's his Twitter name and that is also his handle on Twitter. What round would you snag? Elijah Cancy ed rusher from pitt is what he described it as, but he says he could be a Dan Quinn type. Brian,

I'll tell you what. This is a really interesting kid. And the reason I brought it up because he goes to a school that got Aaron Donald into the league, which was Pittsburgh. And Aaron Donald, if we all remember, is shorter and you know, is white, and that kind of thing with the weight and but super quick, super active plays with leverage and all that. This kid's got

some of those traits. And it's scary. And you're looking at the uniform and you're going, wait a minute, I've seen this before somewhere, you know, and you had several years ago, and I just, man, I don't some teams are not gonna are not gonna like him. And I'm gonna tell you because he's six foot and he's two hundred and seventy five pounds. I mean, that's the high I was working with right now. Hyden Way, you we're working with right now. But man, this guy is super disruptive.

He does a great job at getting to the ball and can finish. He's got some strength, he's always on the move, relentless desire, all that stuff. He could just attack some gaps and he works well to the edges too, you see, you know, like him, Chase, he makes a lot of plays on the outside, the lateral quickness, the agility, redirect I mean, when he gets too far up the field, he could push the pocket. I mean he just wins right off the jump. And again, it was just like

it was watching Aaron Donald all over again. And you know, I'm this kid very well could be a second round pick. And I say that with you know that people are gonna like they're going to evaluate him is And this is a great thing about what the draft has become and not when the krusty guy you're talking to on the phone right now was drafted twenty years ago kind of thing. You know that we now see players that

are undersized that are getting picked, you know, quarterbacks. I would have never in my life think a thought of player like Kyler Murray at his height would have got picked first overall or you know, Baker Mayfield. I mean, the draft is evolving to if you could play, you can play, and no matter how tall or how small, or how heavy or whatever, you could play. And so I wouldn't be surprised to evolve this guy as we get through this process, that more people start to to

generate a buzz about him. And again you'll you'll see Aaron Donald comparisons just because they both went to the same school. But there's some traits there if you follow him a little bit closely. I'm watching them right now and I'm watching Louisville or he's playing Louisville and he's playing Duke. Duke had some really big upfront interior offensive lineman, and it feels like when he's going up against these big,

physical guys, he's having trouble. But then against Louisville a smaller offensive line, and he's able to kind of use his speed and fit through gaps he's got. Yeah, he's got some pop to him. Probably, yeah, watching if you can watch him play Clemson, watch him play game. Okay, wait, forward stalls teams like that. You're right. I mean again, he's probably not for everybody, but there's somebody that's going to see those traits, the quickness, the agility, the outside.

I mean, you could probably move him around a couple of spots. But like I said, hey, he wore the same uniform of a guy that was there. But you know, Eric Donald was like when you watched him play, You're like, wow, but hey, look what the rams did I mean you take a chance on some of these guys, and let's say his kids a first round pick. But I'll tell you what he's gonna He's gonna draw some attention from some of these teams. Yeah, if you put a big

body next to him, it's gonna be over. But then also too, when you look at I mean just I feel like interior pressure is uh is something. With how many mobile quarterbacks there are in the league, now I feels here your pressure might be the thing. Like, obviously you getting edge pressure is fantastic, but with the escapability of all these mobile quarterbacks, now are you trying to like, yeah, let's rush up the middle. Let's get more pressure up the A and B gap to really throw off their vision.

Because you do see a lot of these mobile quarterbacks like they're they're trying to become pocket pastors. They're trying to sit there and deal with that. And so with the edges, I'm like, yeah, you can attack these guys from the edges with the escapability and stuff, but a lot of guys are escaping up the middle. Like even with Jalen Hurts, I remember when we were watching film on him, that was one of the main things he wasn't just running to the edges. He was a right

up the middle. Daniel Films right up the middle those guys, and then you got to see Sam Howell and he's a bit of a gamer moving forward. I mean, I'm just being honest with you. Is like, the mobile quarterback is kind of like the jam now, and if you want to attack a mobile quarterback, in my opinion, is to really get in their face in the middle and throw off their vision there because mobile quarterbacks they can

figure out how to, you know, escape the edges. And so I'm also looking at um if a lot of guys do have pass rush ability. A lot of these dts do, and I don't feel like maybe it's so much of a bad thing anymore if you do have another gentleman next to him to be able to, you know, take on some of those double teams or just take on more of that power, be that bigger guy. So yeah, Brian, I mean, if you ask any quarterback in the NFL which type of pressure is more of a nuisance to

deal with, They're all going to say interior pressure. So I think you're spot at the eye level. Yeah, I used this absolutely right the eye level because I was talking to Michael Lombardi about this yesterday and he brought up the point it's like when he was in Cleveland with Bernie Cosar. Hey, Bernie Cosar would come to the sidelines and he would say, hey, you know, we gotta

be better at the right guard. We gotta be better at you know, left tackle, we gotta be better at you know, or excuse you gotta be better at the center. You know. It's like, you know, the question becomes, Okay, wait a minute, your eyes are supposed to be down the field. Why are you telling me? Why do we need be better at right guard or left guard or center? You know that that you know, if you're telling me where the pressure is coming from, that's affecting your eye level,

you know. And if your eye levels not downfield, you're not seeing the receivers. If you could tell me what's going on with the pocket and the guys that are having trouble, your eye level is in a really, really bad spot. Yeah, it's just so tough because you can feel the pressure coming from the edge, you can step up and you can then try and navigate from there. You can't do anything coming right at you. You can't

do anything about it, all right. Second question of Twitter on the twenty, Justin Richards asked, could you see the Cowboys trading up in this draft? And who could you see them trying to move up for if they were going to do it? Of course, captain trade down are very good friend, Jeff Cavanaugh probably rolling over right now listening to this. But trading up is that a possibility? And is there anybody that would be valuable enough Brian that they would just go get them? Man, I'll tell

you what this team. I mean, they've got contents or they're you're gonna get content satory picks, which trade They're going to have enough to move and be aggressive and all that. I wonder you know the pitch position that's stretching for me right now. And I don't know about you guys, so you tell me what you think. I kind of feel like this team would look at a corner and I don't know if the if the right corner would get to you, that you would maybe make

a move to get there. I mean, everybody's got these guys, these corners all different. Gonzales, I love the kids. Joey Porter from Penn State. Yeah, I don't I don't see how you. I mean to me, can you going up? But if you're gonna move, I just feel like there's just enough corners where you don't have to move. That's

kind of where I'm at. I don't I just don't think I think they're gonna I think they learned their lessons, not lessons or do you mean they sat there and let the board come to them and some you know last year and they you know, they had Tyler Smith where he was. I just don't see them going up and getting, you know, because the positions I think are gonna stretch for him, the they're looking at. So we've talked about the defensive tackles. We've kind of talked about

a little bit. These edge rushers. I don't know about you guys. I've looked fourteen edge rushers so far. Yeah, and I'm not hating you know, probably there's a couple of them I really really wouldn't want to deal with. But I feel like that position will stretch for you a little bit, you know, that offensive line, you know, the guard position if you're looking to grab a guard. I think they're a good spot just to sit there and see where this thing's coming. To you, and you know,

even though they do have the compensatories. Yeah, if you want to make a small move to flip a five or something like that, hey, I'm all for it. But I just don't see this team right now. You know, I'm going to stack this board when I get done, and I'll figure out, Okay, this is a guy I would go for, the guy I would go forwards one of those quarters. Like I said, I really do like the Porter kid if he got to where you can

get him. Yeah, I'm only so. I'm seventy players in now, so I'm getting to the point where I can kind of see where this class is going to end up. I'm trying to find where the values are. It looks a lot and it reminds me a lot of last year's draft class, where there are these top heavy guys. There's about ten guys that are locks to be first round picks, top fifteen picks, and once those guys go, then there's a significant amount of guys that are good enough to be taken in the first round, but they

won't be. There's gonna be about thirty of those guys that are right in that that same category. And I'm right there with you, I think edge rusher. You've got two guys right up at the top with Will Anderson, Miles Murphy. Tyree Wilson the probably the third one in that list. I really like Tyree Wilson out of Texas Tech. I like him a lot. Corner, it's Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon. At first it was Keiley Ringo out of Georgia, but all of a sudden, he's starting to drop off

the face of the planet. People are taking him, mocks are starting to show him go in the early second round, maybe even late second round. And then there's Joey Porter Jr. Who is my second best corner, but he's probably gonna be a top fifteen pick. Outside of that, you're gonna probably get a really good defensive tackle. You're gonna get a good shot at linebacker. You're gonna get a great look at wide receiver. Unless you just fall in love

with one of these early wide receivers. You want to go, try and get up, go up and get a Jackson Smith and Jake buff you don't think he'll fall to twenty six, or if you want to go, get a Jordan Addison out of usc If you don't think he'll fall. That's the only way I could see them trading up. So for me, I look at this class and while look at what the Cowboys have going on right now, and I feel like one of the only places that, especially on offensive line, Like, who are your guards? Because

McGovern's a free agent? Yeah right, I mean Zack Martin is here. Probably Tyler Smith is your guard. But isn't he left tackle? Yeah, depending on what happens with Tyrn that's you don't know. So really, I mean, I feel like tackle is kind of they have enough guys at tackle now. The Cowboys have seen success drafting offensive lineman in the first round. I guard feels like a knee to me, Like it does. It feels like a knee because we don't know what they're gonna do with McGovern.

Say what you want to say, Zach Martin is fantastic, but he's still getting He's still he's becoming a senior in this game, no like, and that's we have to be realistic about that. Tyler Smith, are you gonna keep moving him from guard to tackle or you want him to be stationed there? You got Tearn still coming back, You got Tyler to be honest there, you could really solidify this line if you get a top guard or a guard that is gonna come in and be able to play for you day one, maybe even have some

swing ability. So with that being said, I don't know if it's likely, but I do feel like with the Cowboys knowing themselves, like we've seen success drafting in the offensive line in the first round, we know we hit there. We know we hit there. If you needed to go get a guy, if you wanted to go get a guy, that's like one of the only positions Like well you mentioned corner two, but offensive line, if you want to go get a guard to solidify this line, I mean

you got Tyler Beadors, you got you know. Maybe who's your top guard right now? Uh Um. I feel like the easy answer is Osiris Torrance from Florida. I feel like that's the easy He's my top guard right now. I've only seen seven guards. But what I wanted to ask you and Brian, is is there any tackles and I was just talking about on our last show, are there any tackles that you think have flex that you could sure that you could turn into a guard and

how successful? And I'm ask you. That's a question like, are there any tackles that you guys see that you think could come in day one be a thumping guard and can make a difference. He's probably not a first round pick, Brian, but your pet cat Cody Mock might fit that description. Yeah, North Dakota State. Yeah, he's a he's a tackle. I know that to me, Uh, you know, you gotta you gotta think about the kid at l

Now he's a straight he's a straight guard. I mean, that's a six four, three hundred and thirty pound guy that plays with balance and all the things that we all like about that. The other guys that I issue you're bringing up Warren McClendon, who's a he's the start at right tackle for Georgia. Yeah, Yeah, there's a guy. I mean, he's kind of a guy that mentioned us, A long limbed kind of player, a little bit thinly

built for me, you know, at three hundred pounds. Jordan McFadden is another one who was a start at left tackle for Clemson six two, three oh five. See there's a now you talk about like you know, we were we were mentioning our kid at pitt you know, with being you know undersized, but here's you know, mc McFadden is a six two, three hundred and five pounds tackle who's could play guard. But I you know what I mean, I have problems with all these guys, the towards kids

from Florida. I know people are starting to mock him to Dallas and I'm kind of I'm struggling with him a little bit because again, I see a massive guy, but I wouldn't call him nimble, you know what I'm saying. I think he's a little top heavy. I think his weight gets a little bit forward on him sometimes. I think defenders tend to kind of move him around and

it's a problem for him. I just, you know, I'm interested to see as we get further along, is there somebody Is there somebody in this draft that you would you would say, because I'm kind of struggling other than the TCU kid at guard right now, I'm just kind of a kind of a little bit of a loss. If that's the direction I would go, Yeah, there's some guys who when you when you talked to you talked about Alia. Yeah. The thing I have down for him is like he might not be perfect at this point

of attack. But his technique is so good, it really is. You got a lot of these offensive linemen, you know, I mentioned it yesterday. We got some. They're not long in the tooth, but they are. It's quite a few guys who have just stayed and played the extra year, you know, and got and you can tell I personally want a guy that's technically sound like, I really, I really feel like there's value in having someone technically something.

But even looking at the Cowboys, you start looking at, Okay, well Solari, how he likes to, you know, call run place. He does a lot of combo blocking and stuff. So I'm just I'm really I think guard is a thing I really do in my heart. I'm like, hey, I know they're gonna drop offensive line, but I wonder if you go go and get a premium garden. Yes, why not? Yeah, I get one. I mean we see that what a dominant offensive line can do. Look at literally, look at

the forty nine ers. Look at Philly that, like, with all due respect, their quarterbacks been playing semi injured and they're still running that they still move in like and they're so dominant that they don't have to try that hard. You know what, I'm saying they don't have to try super hard. So I'm really like, let's try to get this offensive line back to being dominant and being able

to just take the ball out the air. And I think a guard can do that for you real quickly, Brian, just to elaborate on Osirius Torrance before we go to our second break with him, you were talking about the some of the technique and cleaning that up. Do you think maybe cleaning up his body type and getting into

a professional strength room could potentially help that. He's six foot right under six foot five, He's at six o four seven three hundred and thirty seven pounds, So if you clean that up a little bit, Yeah, yeah, if you play that up a little bit, maybe that fixes some of those problems. But I know, for a first round pick, you're you're not looking for that. You're looking for a guy that's going to come in immediately ready

to play significant snaps. Well, yeah, these offers of Lyne and the Cowboys had picked in the first round had been plug and play. Guys have a great history with that. Yeah, you know, I think you know, I was looking at the three hundred and forty seven pound man and if he's three hundred thirty seven, he's maybe the right direction. Yeah yeah, see. But the thing that is, I think his weight causes him to be a little like a tick slow coming off the ball, and that puts him

in some rough spots, it really does. That's interesting because you're right, he's kind of been a name that's started slowly creeping up there in terms of the needs for the Cowboys because of what Aisha just talked about. But he might fit that mold as a maybe a second round grade, but a first round prospect because he's gonna get picked at twenty six, but he may not be one of those first round guys that ends up slipping. So keep an eye on other Cyrus Torrens out of Florida.

Let's take our second break. When we come back, I want to do a little tell me More. We did that yesterday with Dane Brian. I want to pick a couple of guys that you've had your eyes on, and we'll get your thoughts on it as well. We'll hit some with Ayisha as well that she's been waiting and chopping at the bit to talk about. Let's do some tell Me More again when we come back with more Draft show right after this. I'm Duck Prescott, quarterback of

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got plenty of time. We've got two shows. We're gonna be back to normal next week and then we're gonna start ramping up quickly heading into the NFL Combine. But it's time now for a little bit more of tell me more. We did this yesterday with Dane. If you missed it, go online Dallas Cowboys dot com the Draft Show. It was phenomenal. Just rattled off players as Dane does, and he did a great job of it. We're gonna do the same with Brian and Aisha. I'm gonna start

with Aisha. There's a Cincinnati, Cincinnati cat, a Bearcat specifically, that you wanted to talk about. His name is Ivan Pace Junior. What did he do in mobile that impressed you the most? I liked Well, obviously, he shows that he has some pass rush ability. He's super hard to get hands on. I just what I have down. He had nine solo tackles in the Senior Bowl game hisself.

But he diagnoses. He diagnosed as well. But I really do think that his ability to be a pass rusher and also be able to play the middle of the field is going to be something that people look at. I say what you want to say, but Michael really has changed kind of how people are looking at this linebacker position and in size and what can you do and can you rush the passers sometimes situationally and stuff. And this guy does have the hybrid ability and he

flashed a lot at the Senior Bowl. So I I just love how how he is at the point of attack and how slippery is and how he can read and get to his gaps. I was impressed with him. Brian. I know you said you haven't checked him out yet, but um I liked him story too. At Yeah, he was a two star prospect getting picked up. I mean barely even had like a twenty four to seven page. Was really not even a high level recruit. Went to Cincinnati, played well, earned a scholarship, and then now is continuously

working his way up the draft board. Initially he was in like the like bottom half of this linebacker class, and his weekend mobile I think really elevated him quite a bit. Now, Brian, you've got a wide receiver from Penn State. Different type of cat. This is a nickney lyon that you're looking at a wide receiver, Parker Washington. You like him a lot, don't you? Absolutely? This is this is Steve Smith to me from the old Carolina Panther Ravens days. So I'm looking at here so prime

Steve Smith. Yeah, I love this kid. You know, he's a shorter guy. He's really really thick. He's compact, he's explosive. He does a lot of work out of the slots. He's fun to study because he's able to just the plays that he makes. He's one of those guys it catches the ball over the field. He doesn't have great lenks, but man, you see him extend to his fullest to make some plays. Hands are supernatural on him. He operates in traffic. He just he again, he remind me everything

of like a shorter, like a compact Steve Smith. And he used to play coming out of Utah and just made every single play show toughness. You could rely on him to make a lot of place. He's from Sugarland, Texas, so he's a Texas Texas guy playing up in the Big ten. How about that? Now, you also had a Tulane prospect you wanted to get in there as well. Brian, Yeah, I was. I'll tell you what Tulane I think did a tremendous job this year. And then I used she

was talking about linebackers. I want to talk about a kid named Dorian Williams from Tulane, and I think this kid's one of the best tacklers in the draft. The bigger the play, the better he has to make a stop. Super active in the way he plays. He could really cover some ground with his speed. He could get to the ball carry when you think he's got no chance, all of a sudden, he's got the play. He's run

down to play. He had a tackle in the in the Central Florida game that just was that was just unbelievable that you know, it's a fourth down, you're thinking like quarterback is going to get the first down, and he just fetches him from behind there. Kick can really really run. You can use him as a spy watching the quarterback. You know, he's not much of a pass defender, but his ordinary kind of dropping cover guy. But man,

he makes a ton of plays. He's got legitimate four or five speed in an eighty inch wingspan on this kid. So you're talking about a guy that could go make some plays. Dorian Williams, linebacker, two lane. Take a peek at MP can he was kind of the he was like the anchor of the middle of that two lane defense that really flew to the football and he was probably the one that did so. He played in the Cotton Bowl kind of wackles. Yeah, he had seventeen cackle Yeah,

you know in the Cotton Bowl for the MVP. Yeah, it's pretty impressive because he had Yeah. Yeah, Taj Spears, who we talked about yesterday with Dane running back out of Tulane, who was the offensive MVP at that game, was really all over the field as a running back. And then on the other side of the ball, you had a guy like like Williams, Dorian Williams who was a linebacker who was the defensive MVP. And both of those guys our Senior Bowl prospects, so very fun to watch,

and they were both impressive in Mobile. You had another mobile prospect too that you wanted to hit, dude, h Sydney Brown. Sidney Brown. It's fun to me, man, He's fun to me because I watching him. The coverage ability Illinois, Illinois two hundred eleven pounds from what I know and UM watching him. They were in one on one drills and for a safety you already know, like well, number one one on one drills are not made for dbs. Let's let's keep it a buck. But he was so

good in coverage. But he also he's just his motor for for a dB. His motor is crazy. He's so twitchy, he look crazy, little crazy, always run around. I think he's getting camped to the gentleman that plays for the forty nine ers who funga. How do you say, yeah, yeah, he's getting compared to that guy. But I honestly think he's better and coverage than him. And because because of how he plays, he's a nuisance to me in the

passing game. I feel like if you put him in the dime or you can almost hide him and he could be a Swiss Army knife and in your defense and how you use him, because I do think that his coverage ability is good enough to do some corner things. I mean, I was impressed with Um. I was just impressed with how he moved around. And like I said, due to his side, I feel like you could hide him in a way and not hide him in a

bad way. It's just like I think quarterbacks might not see him like I feel like they might not see him coming. And just the way he plays, he's I call him swiper. Yeah, I call him swiper because I just think he can sneak up on you. So Okay, definitely not wanting to make sure it's not because he's but his birst is great, the effort is great. He's

just such an active player in the secondary. And I think you can deploy You could deploy him to spy, you could deploy him to do so many different things. This guy has some versatility and I think what he's showing, what he could do in coverage UM in the Senior Bowl, I think really changes things. And what you could do

with him in a defense. Four different guys to keep an eye on, a little bit of tell me more to wrap up the draft show today, Brian, anything you want to add before we let you go and get out of here. I can't wait to watch Brian, I know, but I'll leave you one more guy real quick if I should. Of course, you know, I always like well, I issue was giving me a great scouting reporter. Watch a kid from albur named Tank Digsby. If you're looking at running backs. This kid's six foot, two hundred and

fifteen pounds. I know there's everybody's talking about all the top guys. Take a peek at Tank Bigsby. Like I say, this kid has got lower body power. He's a really physical runner. He catches the ball really really well out of the backfield. Super dependable in that way. If you know, we'll see with you know, with Mike, with Mike mccurthy now calling the plays, we'll see what happened with the

running back situations. You got to get a guy that literally that can make plays out of nothing, and this guy does. I mean he's kind of an elusive slasher. But lateral quickness, I mean, this guy can finish. But like to say, the one thing he does really well have catched the football. And so Cowboys are gonna be looking for those multi multi use guys. I think again,

if we'll see what happens. We had Michael Lombardi on yesterday, he said, by all means they the Cowboys needed to tag Tony Pollard in this thing because he was the He is the ultimate weapon to have. But name to keep in mind, Tank Biggsby, Auburn running back for those that are watching on the stream or on the podcast post, we're actually showing some highlights of Bigsby at the moment, and yeah, he's he's kind of a lateral runner. He goes side to side well, has a little bit of

explosiveness to him. Three years starter at tailback, Brian, He's got a little bit of tread on the tires. He's been experienced, which is a good thing. And he went through the SEC gauntlet and at six foot two thirteen, I mean he's got some cowards up to his name. No, he lives up to his name. Yeah, yeah, he lives up to his name. And like I said, you're gonna like this kid the more that you study him, you really really are. I like it a lot. Yeah, I've

already marked him down. He looks good on these highlights that we're showing him. These are up against San Jose State and here he is against Missouri, so lots of fun to be had. We are still in the informational gathering side of things, but this is getting good. We are getting into the nitty gritty of the twenty twenty three draft class. But that's going to do it for us here on this Thursday, edition of the Draft Show.

Thank goodness as the last time we're apart. We will be back together on Wednesday, all four of us, Brian Bobby, Ayesha, myself and then Chris Beam who goes out and finds Tank, Bigsby b Role throughout the week who's doing a great job running things in the back. But that's going to do it for us. Have fun, everybody. We'll see you on Wednesday, elemit am Central time is when we'll get

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