Draft Show: Should The Cowboys Trade Back?

Eagles are your champions. We have officially it's always draft season. We officially say it's draft season. It's officially draft season. Like we don't have a problem anymore. I wanted to talk about the draft. No, and you always tweet out how much you love football and how much you love to watch football. I do, And so now you know your focus will be on the draft. You should be watching players getting ready for this thing, saying I wasn't. No,

I'm just saying it as a fan. You should. Oh, okay, if you're even know, if you're having withdrawals, go watch you some college players. Yeah, go get you started that out. Go get you some highlight tapes. Go shopping, Go shopping. That's exactly right. Help this team get better. That's Dane Burglar's voice, David Hellman as well Ken Garrison, executive producing. Well, maybe take some calls later in the second half to Dan, know, Dave, you want to get into some stuff about Philadelphia and

some of the draft picks and things like that. I agree with that. We maybe take some calls later on as well. Eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. If you are so inclined, We'll do twitter on the twenty as we always do. But I want to start this day with I'm gonna get you guys to try and trade. I'm gonna get you guys to back up here if you're the Dallas Cowboys or think about it at nineteen okay, because we always talking, and maybe we'll do another show where we talk about how

aggressive we need to be here too. If a player, But I want to know how far back are you willing to go? You know, how far back are you willing to go? Is there it? Now? We've we've kind of talked about the players that are there, you know, the ones that you know at nineteen you're a little bit of mercy of the board. You know, I'm trying

to figure out who's exactly there. If you if you look at Dane Brugler's mock draft, which this is first one, and what I and I want you to get into using your top fifty because I think now we're kind of a little bit better understanding. But if you look at Dane's board, some of the guys that we've talked about here, you know, Roquant Smith nine San Francisco. How about Vita Vea going to the Raiders at ten? Oh okay, now we're starting to get a little nervous. Well, Jermaine Edmonds,

linebacker Virginia Tech. He turns around and goes to the Dolphins at eleven. These are guys we're talking about every week, you know, possible picks for the Cowboys at nineteen. Dron Payne's second round guy, Marcus Davenport, how about him going to Green Bay at fourteen? Getting a little nervous, yet, get a little nervous that your guy, you can't get up there because these teams are making picks. I don't think I'm nervous because we're not. You know, we're not

picking twenty eighth. We're picking nineteen. Okay, I'll just throw Calvin Ridley and you're just gonna stay scenario. I'll just keep throwing names at you this, keep throwing names until I don't like. I'll throw Derwin James at you. There's at seventeen to the to the Chargers. Okay. Now we're sitting there thinking, are we happy the way the board's going right now? Of course not? But not and we

can't get up in there. We're stuck. We're stuck because we can't get up in there because we'll have to overpay to go get one of those guys. And I think you need to expect a scenario like that. I totally agree. You have to go into the draft thinking that those five or six players that you just mentioned will not be available, and that has to be your play. Now. If one of those five or six are available, and the Cowboys view them as highly as we do, yeah,

then by all means pounds, get your guy. But if you get wiped out, which is a very likely scenario, Yeah, what is you know plan? Well, let me ask you this, Can I interject real? Surely? May? I just want to and I get, you know, I get the purpose of the exercise. And I like, you should be prepared for any and all scenarios. I get that, But picking at nineteen, you know you have sixteen to twenty first round grades for any given draft. I usually think it's like eighteen

to twenty. But y'all, I'm going with you. Ye fourteen, There you go that. I just I feel good about the odds that they all feel good about a player that's there at nineteen. I don't think you can realistically wipe out every single option that they like. You don't think that, I know, well, you have to go into this draft liking somebody at nineteen. Okay, under Dane scenario. Having said that, I do. I mean, every one of those players that I mentioned we've talked about at some

point in time on this show. Yes, and we got a long way to go to get to the end. Yes, But I'm trying to make you think about and I can't get this thing. I don't want to use assets to go up. No. If okay, and then they might, they very well might. But for us right now, I mean, I know you give me picks, Give me picks, give me picks. There's not gonna be much suspense here if we get wiped out like it looks like it's like

saying that mock draft scenario. Move me back, all of ye, give me a second round, give me a third round. Let's let's figure something out where we can get back. And I'm comfortable with that. All right? Yes? Again, how far back we want to go? Let's look at some teams. Buffalo's got picks at twenty one and twenty two back to back. Dallas is picked by the way folks on

their chart. On their chart, I will repeat, which no, two teams have the same nose, two teams have the same But on the Dallas Cowboys chart, which I hold in my hands, Dallas's pick is work worth eight hundred and seventy five points. Now we start talking about going back. We look at Buffalo, that number that one twenty two, it's worth seven eighty at a third round pick? You okay with that? Yeah? To go to twenty two? Yeah? Okay?

Now give me a guy, then you would consider under your doomsday scenario where everybody gets wiped out, give me a guy. We're looking at we're looking at when we're looking at Hernandez, who are we looking at there? I think you look on a defensive line. I mean more, he's Hurst because first there. Yeah, okay, Now, if we stay at nineteen, according to your mock, Hurst is a Dallas cowboy. That's one possibility. Yeah, okay, realistic possibility. And

that is a realistic possibility. I believe you're absolutely right there, right, okay, but say that, okay Hurst. If we don't say Hurst, we trade out and we don't, yeah, we don't take Hurst. First goes nineteen, First goes nineteen to the team we just traded. Okay, Now we're sitting at twenty two. Give me a guy. We're still looking at those that We're looking at those offensive linemen. You look at defensive lineman. What are you looking at? You start to look at

the offensive lineman. Isaiah Wynn, Billy Price Er, big guard maybe yeah, he played mostly guard at Ohio's Day. Yeah, he can certainly do it. I think you're looking at those two, no question. Then you look at corner I know, you know, we look at the cornerback position as maybe it's not a strength of this team, but it's a potential strength of this team. When you talk about the second or third round picks from last year, Woozier and Jordan Lewis you think about what you're gonna get from

Anthony Brown in year three. We'll see what happens with Orlando Scandrick. So it's not necessarily a strength, but as the potential to be a strength. With where we are right now, you don't necessarily need to go in that direction. But listen, every NFL team needs more help a corner. You think out Hughes, I mean Ward hadn't been taken here? Do you take Ward Over's top ten? Okay? Top ten? Okay, So that means Hughes, Mike Hughes, Jack Jackson, Jackson, Yeah, Iowa.

I like Jay Alexandra a lot. Yeah, Louisville corner, I think in that mix. So I think corner or interior offensive line would be kind of those targets. Okay, with that, I feel we had this conversation last week, didn't we. I I feel better drafting a starter onto my offensive line than whatever's going on in the secondary. Yeah, I Dane's assessment was really good. Like, it's not necessarily a

strength of this team. But again, I think I use the word efficiency last week like I want my I want my Day one pick to be immediately starting and either I mean, so you drafting a corner here, you run the risk that he can't beat one of the other guys out, or if he does, then you got another premium draft pick who's not contributing. I mean, I don't win in a third round pick at twenty two. Doesn't sound like a bad idea for me. It sounds great. Okay.

I've been very anti offensive line at number at number, Well, I know you have, but you're trying to You're you're just trying to I'm trying to get you to tell me who's there. What I'm saying. If you get if just because you know, I don't know, I struggle with that. But if you give me an extra pick, I can feel a lot better about offensive Yeah I can. So I'm trying to. Yeah, okay, let me ask you this. Okay, So we would do that thinking about that at twenty

two and twenty three. That's the rams. So that's so I'm I'm bad at math. But if you took if you took that deal from Buffalo, you're probably you're the pick you're getting in somewhere around like eighty five. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm adding a top one hundred pick and getting still a guy that you would consider a starter, and you're doing the same You're basically doing the same thing with the Rams if you went to twenty three. Holler

at me, are we thinking about the same players? Let's go, hey, now we're gonna Now we're right, that's only a one spot drop. Okay, But I'm just saying though, maybe somebody, maybe maybe it's something different. Sorry, like I'm sorry to live in the past when I'm just looking at your chart that says dropping back to thirty one should net you a second round pick. Yeah, it's not what the Cowboys got when they did that last No, that's true, and that's why I'm trying to get you. I'm trying

to I'm trying to educate the fans here. Yeah, that expect more. Now, well I was gonna. Now I'm educated, and they better better get their fair compensation this time. That sucked. No, absolutely, that's that was a That was a bad panic move, is what that was. Yeah, that was that was not having a good plan coming out of eighteen. Well, I mean, let's kind of what we've

been talking about is a little bit of panic. Because if we get wiped out at nineteen, you should start seeing where Okay, whereabouts do you start seeing things really being bad for you when you when you lose, I mean looking to get at your but when you lose Ridley at sixteen, you better be getting on the phone, right, You better be getting on the phone. You think Ridley falls that far, Yes, you do. He's the first receiver. I like Ridley a lot, and I again I think

he'd being a perfect fit in this offense. But it's because he is more of that Z he's he's a high end two for me. He's not a future number one in my opinion. He's a high end two, and for a lot of people they feel good about, you know, getting that wide receiver at a two in the second round, maybe even the third round. So a first round pick, a premium pick, it is asking a lot. But for Calvin Ridley, I would absolutely use a mid first round pick on him. And I think there's a good chance

he falls out of the top ten. Then you need to think about if maybe that's a move up man, that's for another day, another show. If he gets to sixteen, we know that the Ravens are looking for skill, but anyway, that's another day, another show. Okay, So we kind of feel like the Buffalo deal were good. The Rams thing at twenty three would still net you a three. We're good with that, okay, Caroline, at twenty four nets you three?

Are we still talking about the same players now, you know we're still talking about the same guys We've passed. We've passed players at twenty two or excuse me, passed Detroit Buffalo Buffalo Rams the further and you know, the the greedy pick fan in me like, I'm like, yeah, let's fall all the way down to thirty one and get that second round pick. But I'm freaked out by what Dane's telling me about my options. Really. I mean, well, Brian, you would your opinion. Is there a player that you

would be targeting in a trade back? Is there one specific player that you would be targeting. Yeah, I'll be looking at Win, right, and that's that's that's my guy. If I'm gonna trade back, I'm looking I'm looking to get my starting left guard. I have a first round grade on Hurst, so if if he if he's taken at nineteen, I'm okay with that. I'll also have a first round grade on mc clinchy, the tackle offensive tackle

Notre Dame. Yeah, but Okay, So how far back would you feel comfortable going and still feeling great about getting win? All right, look at the teams, Okay, look at the teams. Look at teams that potentially could use offensive lineman. Okay, yeah, and it's I mean just think about just see yeah and all exactly. But I'm just saying right now, right, Rams look like they're much they're pretty set. Carolina, they're gonna lose probably Norwelle the guard. Yeah, I would imagine

they could use offensive line home. Yeah. Yeah, Carolina is really a wild card with their GM situation and yeah, with Hernie and all that, so that Carolina is a wild card. They could do here. Um, Tennessee, they could use more help in the interior offensive Atlanta, Atlanta. I think they're okay, they could use a guard, but I don't think they'd go here a guard in the first New Orleans, I think they're set. So there's a lot of maybes. Yeah, not like uh oh, he's win is

not falling. So so to your point, Dave, moving moving into moving into the range of twenty eight, Yeah, where you would start to get the second round pick. Well, is it worth it to you to go to twenty eight. Well, I think here's I think we have to be realistic about who's going to trade up too. Yeah, so let's let's take all you want to look at who the aggressive teams could be. Well, and that's okay, why abody needs to be there? By the way, well, that's the point.

Why are we moving back Because we don't feel great about the options at nineteen, right, So there has to be someone of value there for a team willing to give up a second round or second or third round pick to move up. So who is that player? Maybe one of those corners. What about the quarterback? Quarterback is always gonna make somebody move Buffalo, Buffalo makes sense in that regard. Well, and that's but I think that's why it makes sense for one of these other teams and

get in front of Buffalo. Yeah yeah, that's if Buffalo is picking twenty one and twenty two. In my what if you're New Orleans, I'm thinking Buffalo goes up to make sure they get their guy. Very possible. What if you're New Orleans, that's an aggressive team at twenty seven, which I just selfishly I would love it if Baker

Mayfield wound up there. So that's what I'm saying, if Baker Mayfield somehow ends up at Dallas at nineteens on the board and you're Sean Payton and you're thinking about grabbing a quarterback, is that a team that you could say that, Hey, then that right there, that's going to twenty seven and that's picking up a three and a four. Yeah, I just but I don't. I don't think it's very realistic because I don't think Mayfield's getting out of the

top fifteen. I just can't. So you're saying Arizona at fifteen, Yeah, I think that's kind of his floor. I just don't see him falling that far. About Miami at eleven, very possible. Absolutely, Mayfield could go top five easy. Yeah. So no, No, I don't just okay, I think we have to look at which would be would somebody trade for Alan? I would be shocked. Would Alan be the guy that somebody comes for? There is which I know, I'm We've talked about him a lot. But is Alan our new Paxton Lynch?

Is there any possibility that that happens? No, don't look at me. Nobody saw him fall in the twenty nine, was it? Yeah? Yeah, that's yeah, right around range these quarterbacks are tough because I think there's a a very very good chance all four go top fifteen. Okay, the top Hey, that's shoving a guy your direction or two possibly, but four went in this mock draft in the top fifteen and we still got wiped out. Did you did you have all four going? Yeah? I think Darnald one,

I think was it Rosen two? But I'm sorry, Darnald one, Rosen two? You had Alan five h going down the board here? No, you do not have Mayfield? Was Mayfield was fifteen Arizona? Right, So, and we had to factor in Kirk Cousins going somewhere. You know, that could be Buffalo, could be the Jets, It could be it's gonna wipe out one of those quarterback options in the draft. You kind of hope that that Cousins. If you're a Cowboy fan, you're kind of hoping that Cousins does go to one

of those teams. Though, doesn't it maybe maybe allow a quarterback to get to you? Yeah, because then when you look at it, Okay, what are the chances Jacksonville might make a move. Did they really believe in a Blake Bordles? I don't think they they can. I don't think they can blake boards on a one year contract. And what do you see that's a team? If I'm cousins, I go to Minnesota or Jacksonville, the places I go, those look like ready made teams to me. Yeah, a chance

to win. Some whispers that maybe he likes Minnesota better. You know what don't they have? You know? Yeah, I mean you're ready to go from day one right there. But I'm just I guess the point I'm trying to make is here, how greedy do you really want to be? And I'm from the school of never trade away from a great player. Never, And if you feel like, if you feel like that win could be a great player, or one of those cores could be a great player,

you don't trade. You know, the tackle from Michigan, I meant, well, this, you know hurt. I mean, if you feel like he's gonna be a great player, don't trade away from him standing there and make the pick. But I'm trying to get you to think, if you start to get wiped out and you don't feel good about taking a three technique, you know, and I doing my top fifty, which I'll post this week, and I'll tweet out the link. But I found it interesting that I had one offensive lineman

in my top seventeen. I was Nelson, Right, I have Win at eighteen. That's that's where win is. Uh, Billy Price at twenty one will hurt Nandez twenty seven. So in the top twenty seven, I have no offensive tackles right, and I've got four interior offensive linemen. So if I'm trading back, I'm looking to get win and if he's at he's not there. I'm still in the area where I feel comfortable with drafting and will Hernandez. So you know, that's a I think that's a risk I'm willing to take.

But you're gonna do it for the pick. Oh yeah, that's that's you're doing it right, And and Okay, at what point do you feel like though you could still get her Nandez twenty five, I'm twenty six. I was yeah, all the way back to the end of the round. Yeah, I think that's yeah, that's fair. So it's on everything we've said about him. So if you were trading back and your your intent was to get Win and a pick, you're and you didn't all of a sudden that backfires

on you. I need to be somewhere in the twenties. Yeah, I could. Will her Nandez go thirty one in New England? Sure it's possible. Yeah, so I didn't get to stay in the twenties. If you really want to get one of those two guards, is the cornerback is going to be better than a guard? I know you're gonna get it. I think that. I think either her Nandez or Win. Is this Day one starter? By the way, Oh yeah, definitely there are a Day one starter. I take Win

over her Nande's. Let's get really wild. You could draft a corner and moved Cheet to obey a Wuzier to the safety if you wanted to. I know a lot of people are against that, and I don't blame him. The way we saw a Wuzier play at corner down the stretch, I don't. For the record, I wouldn't want to move him. I thought he played really well down the list. Yeah, I agree, But in order to get most number of guys on the field as possible. Yeah, And isn't that what they're kind of what they're doing

with Byron? I mean, instead of of seeing what he could do a corner, keeping him at safety just because that's where the personnel fits best with this current structure. So yeah, it's it's tough. They kind of backed themselves into a corner here with these safeties. Trying to trying to fit a first round draft pick into what they already have at in the secondary gives me a headache, whereas drafting a guard doesn't give me a headache at all.

I'm just like, oh, yeah, he's the left guard. I just it's just I like point simplicity, right, plug him, plug him, play, let's go. You might you might just take that guard at nineteen too, Yeah, good, you could. It just doesn't I don't know the offensive line my rationale here. The offensive line is already your strength. Wait, so where where do you are well going? You've been saying all along you don't want to draft an offense, but I'm trying to. I gave him a pick and

he's all four. And that's what I'm saying. It's like, you can you can entice me with a pick. Yeah, I'm easy, all right, we can get we gotta get ready, get ready, good to break. You do it at nineteen. Just to give you an example here, what the doubt what Dallas can get out of this. Before we get out of yere Buffalo again, we did the pick at twenty two, that would be a third. The Rams pick at twenty three is a third, Carolina's pick at twenty four is a third, and Tennessee's pick at twenty five

is a third. Now we get into multiple picks. Atlanta at twenty six is a three and a five. New Orleans at twenty seven is a three and a four. That's a thought. Now we get into the second round picks Pittsburgh at twenty eight, Jacksonville at twenty nine, Minnesota at thirty, New England at thirty one, And if you want to trade all the way back to Philadelphia, they would have to give you a second and a sixth. The mare I think about this the and I know we got to go to break, but teams only do

trades like that for quarterbacks. Stains right, and so I mean, which I could at least you could convince me maybe Buffalo moves up two spots. You saw you know San Francisco came and got that safety right read with Dallas. A good point was the trade that got you and you and you underpaid. Let me let me amend that you don't see it often. Yeah, I mean Atlanta went up two spots to get Tack McKinley last year. Like

that I could believe. So, I mean, you could convince me maybe Buffalo comes up to get a non quarterback, but I have a hard time believing. Uh, you know, Minnesota or Philadelphia is gonna jump that far for anybody but a quarterback real quick. Derwin James is there at nineteen. Pittsburgh is offering their second round pick to trade up and get him. Do you move back to Pittsburgh's pick plus a second or do you take Derwin James? I

that's well, okay, because tough. Let me think about this because I'm I'm you know what, I have first round grade on Derwin James, and I think he's a really good player. Don't, don't, don't, don't trade away from a great player. But yeah, exactly exactly like he's But this seems like he might be a super freak. I don't know.

This is the deal though, you're running into because you get you get a Pittsburgh's second round pick would be really kind of like a late early third Yeah okay, oh yeah, be like yeah, but you're once again the top one hundred, but now you're in a situation where you're gonna draft Hernandez there, right, that's that's your guy. If you make the Pittsburgh trade or Jacksonville or Minnesota or New England or Philly, you're looking at her Nandy's her Nandie's in a second round player. Is that worth

it to you? I don't, that's the question. And no. I mean that's what that's what makes you think. It's kind of like Eric Reid and Frederick all over again. Exactly. Yeah, Frederick was okay for the Cowboys. Read the value. Yeah, the value wasn't there. Yeah, but it's still turned out

Frederick in a third round pick. You're like going, okay, I mean they got Terence Williams with that third round pick, an all pro and a much maligned but starting caliber player over Yeah, And I mean Eric Reid has been fine for most of his career, but he's not Ed Reid. No, no, so, but what after when James is though? I just say, see, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that is a very good question. That's why the draft is. If you if you know, if you and you guys said it yourselves safety things

kind of weird right now? Yeah, okay, but but I mean I don't know, I and I know you know, his tape can be inconsistent and all that type of stuff. But like, Derwin James has the potential to be that type of guy that like an Earl Thomas, And that's why he's there at nineteen is because it's a potential. But it's and that's that's a little bit scary. But

it kind of reminds me of MALIEK. Cooker. I don't think Derwin James is his tape is as good as Malie Cookers not, but it's but you're just like, well, why why is this guy falling like to the weird to the point where I think it would be a mistake on eighteen other teams parts if he fell that far in the first place. Yeah, all right, I'll take you out of this and you watch this team. Yeah,

would you rather have a safety or a guard? I am if we're being honest, I'm very intrigued by you know, you plug Will hernandez in right away, you get a third round pick. I don't really I don't know that you can or you plug no pluck win in whoever you want, whatever, right you plug a guy in, that's

very appealing. So in that sense, like I don't know that you can necessarily go wrong, but let's let's let's go get a vet for like one point one mill in free agency and bring me the guy that's got a potential to be a six time All Pro safety. You're going to sign Cooper back after, I don't care whatever, or if it's not Cooper, then some other guy. Like it's the strength of your team. You should be able.

If there's one place where you can bargain hunt and have it be successful, it should be the spot where you've got three All pros playing next to him Wilson, So bring me Derwin James. Give him a pick, though he'll still pick. Well, it's all about picks. Well that's what scouts do. Give me picks, give me picks, give me picks. But when you have a chance to draft a potentially transcendent player, oh yeah, just shut up and see do you call Derwin James are transcendent? I said, potentially?

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that we do. I love all the interaction that we have with the fans, whether it's on Twitter, whether it's questions, whatever we have to do. I do love that part of it. I think you guys are learning this game. I think you're understanding what it takes, and so we're trying to answer a few of your questions. It is Twitter on the Twitter, David Hellman, go ahead, all right, let's try to speed it up since we went so long.

It's a it's a show. Good question from a friend of the show, Jonah, who you know we talked about Ridley in the last segment. Sure would probably all agree he's the top receiver in this class. But he wants you to rank two through five on the receivers. Yeah, I got more, Kurt Gallup, Washington and Miller, DJ Moore say again, Maryland, Christian Kirk, Jonah knows what I'm talking about, Texas and Jonah definitely knows that's what I did. No, Yeah, exactly,

You're right. Uh, DJ Moore Maryland, Christian Kirk Texas A and M. Gallop is Colorado State, Washington is Oklahoma State, and Miller is Memphis. I have the same two and three DJ Moore and then Christian Kirk. My four is Anthony Miller, Memphis. My five is Courtland Sutton smu My six is James Washington. My five through fifteen is where I kind of struggle a little bit. Well, there's a lot of I struggled with it before the Senior Bowl.

James Washington played well. Still, there's still a lot of a lot of these guys in that log jam that second third round that are going to come off the board, and still trying to figure out the best way to rank them. You gonna go over to Estimate and watch sudden work out. Yeah, I mean, if you don't see at the combine, I mean if he Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm just asked. I'm just asking in a way. I'm curious to see what it's on our backyard over here, right,

I'm curious what teams would work him out. You know, again, here's the Brian Broadest phobia. Now, yeah, you're all receiver. You're so afraid I'm afraid I'm a coward. That's I mean, I'm a coward. I admitted that's a cowardly way of looking. When you get burned, you you know have second I just I'm just looking at a team that needs guys that separate. Yeah, I'm trying to think about this football team. I guess it's the whole NFL. Everybody needs guys who

can separately. Look at that game last night, Well, look at the game last night. We saw Alishan Jeffrey catch a touchdown pass. Yeah, Courtland Sutton can what happened When they put a guy on him? They can cover. Sure, I'm not saying he's gonna be Jerry Race, but I don't know. Courtland Sutton can be and Alshan Jeffrey, And you can win with a guy like that on your team, So worry about him as a rounder. I love the sides though, Oh my gosh, I'm mesmerized by looking at him.

Dan Dane cheats and does his like one two two three thing. But how many first round grades do you have on these? Out of the five? Just I haven't done the quarterbacks. I'm talking about receivers, Oh, receivers, I have three three Ridley More Kirk. See that's I want DJ More to be there at fifty and he's just not gonna be. I don't it's these receivers are tough because there's so many different might help him, Yeah, he might help Dallas. He's gonna be probably five ten and

he's not the best in contested situations. It's possible. You know, it would not shock me at all if you know one team prefers James Washington over at DJ Moore, even at Dante Pettis. See, I think teams are sleeping on Pettis a little bit. I know you're not. I have him as my number sixth guy from Uiversity. Washington's my number seven. So if you if you have a chance to watch him, please do how many how many first round dish guys? I have Ridley with a solid one,

and then I've got more in Kirk with one. Two's okay, so and then I've got Anthony Miller, Courtland Sutton, James Washington with a solid two. There's something about Anthony Miller that's good and I'm missing it. I just said you've got him fifth. I mean that's just I broke all of out. I have him actually three with well two, Okay, more Kirk, that's three. Gallop is four, Washington five, Miller six. Excuse me, so you still have him six that of

like twenty receivers that are going to get drafted. Yeah, but okay, is he better than Gallop? Is he better than Washington? For me? Yes? See what you're telling me is, see Kavanaugh knows he's receivers two at Kavanaugh is good to watch receivers with because he's got to feel for these guys. And I think he's got gallop. I think we're the same, the same one thing on gallop that did the Senior Bowl help you with Washington? Yeah, so now you're more silently feeling good about Washington as a

second round guy. Yeah, as a second round guy, my number two senior wide receiver behind Miller. And the thing with Miller too is we had to find out about the foot. There's a lot of worry there that it could potentially knock him down a little bit. So we gotta we gotta be careful with Anthony Miller in the foot. But yeah, James Washington, he did help himself. I think we're sitting at the combine, somebody will walk up to you.

A man this Miller's guy's foots, I'm not draftable fasciitis, not draftable, Brian, and then all the fans like we got a draft Miller and like, I don't think they're gonna draft Miller. I remember with two years ago with Jalen and oh god, Jylan Smith. It's not good. Not good people. Yeah, people walk up to this guy here, going back, going back to the first segment, You're like, I'm not panicking about whatever happens to Calvin Ridley because what you're telling me is that somebody will be there

at fifty. Yeah, a good receiver will be there. See, that's why, that's why maybe at nineteen if he goes a cold, Ruddley's gone to the Ravens at sixteen. You're like, okay, yeah, I get it. Yeah, not doing anything. I'm not giving assets to go, no spots to make that work. Not when I can find two, you know, receiver number two or three at fifty, you've got three receivers in your first round. Would you take a non Ridley wide receiver at nineteen. It's a good question because it is howard.

I know I'm a coward, but no, it's a good question because again, I can I play the card of Okay, is Edmond's gone? Yeah, you get wiped out? Oh so is it? Say it Hurst? You trying to trade down Win one of these receivers I would take. I think I would take Win. Is there any scenario where you could see yourself taking a receiver not named Calvin really at nineteen or you think there'll probably always be a better That is a coward move. You're right about that. Well,

it's a coward move. What have more a Kirk in the first round and not take them at nineteen if they were there, Well, maybe you like Win better or somebody else better, Maurice Hurst for instance. If you can't envision a scenario where you would take them, then then that's a that's a coward move. Yeah. Yeah, so you're gonna fix your grains. Oh that's why I have to use one twos because not you know, just placing on one on a guy it could be the second pick

in the draft for thirty second, you know. So I've got one twos on moren Kirk meaning late first, early second guys that you know, there should be a one at nineteen hopefully. So I think at the end of the day, what's gonna happen is it's gonna end up being probably one wide receiver in the first You think possible, Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, I do, and I and I and I. That hasn't happened, I said on the last I mean, going back to Dez. That hasn't I mean, that hasn't

happened in the last decade. We had three in the top ten last year. Yeah. See that's it didn't turn out very well for those teams. But you know, in the first season, but we'll see. Well, you know that is a coward move. I just sitting there thinking about it, because if you if you're not willing to take one of those guys, and I think their first round players. Maybe the fact is I should have win in the first. Oh he's a first round player. Yeah yeah, I mean maybe,

I mean maybe and maybe. Yeah. It sounds like you that's what I'm saying thinking to do. No, No, it's not the thinking about the wide receivers. It's okay, why do I have win in the second? I don't know, Brian, why do you know that? That's that's good point, probably

the question of the day. Brian just had an epiphany right here on the air, it's it's good, good, good thoughts we talk about and we talked about the pan the panic move, yeah for Travis in twenty thirteen, so Rob wants to know, and I think things have changed a little bit in the five years since then. But you know, talking about trading, he said, you know who makes the decision on how far up and how far down you're willing to go? And when do you make

that decision? Stephen Jones is usually the guy that runs the to use a phrase that's used in the synd in the house all that stuff, the majority whip, the guy that gets everybody going. Stephen Jones is the whip in this one. He's he's the guy that kind of to me, not kind of because I've experienced it. They'll field calls, they'll see what's going on, they'll have a plan, Okay, what we need to do or how's this thing going again? They made a panic move in that Travis Frederick trade. Yeah,

that's just a bail. Yeah, but I think what you kind of see things going in and I think it's different with Will and how things are set up with him. What's fascinating to me? Ise and Jones to answer the question would be the guy that kind of initiates that you can think about it and have all these conversations about it, but like you can't really know until the draft is going on, So yeah, you know, we don't.

You could think up a thousand scenarios during the course of pre draft and then something you never envisioned happens. I mean I would take I would take the very best mock drafters that I know, and I would follow what they're doing. Yeah, just and I but I wouldn't use my board. I would use I would use some other way of doing it, and I would think, Okay,

what is the league thinking about here? But if in fact, if in fact that you're sitting there and it's under the and I'm following Dane Brugler's board and things start to go crazy like it happened, I'm I'm I've got a plan going in and I'm I'm getting out of there if this happens. If I start to see things happen, I'm getting out of there. Sanchez and another trade pick, and then we can move on, which you know you said we could of this for another show, and we

still can. But Cowboys have some comp picks. Coming their way. They do, which are tradeable. Now, maybe increases your odds of a trade up. He's he's said in the second round specifically, But I mean you could do whenever you want. Yeah, yeah, and that's probably if they go, say defensive tackle in the first round and then the second round, Will Hernandez is still there, trade up from fifty to go get them? What would you give up? You're probably getting two fourths

and two fifths. Well let me just let me just give me an idea or two fourth and one fifth? What's your your picks at fifty? Right? Yeah, say we have to go up that picks worth four hundred thirty five to get Will hernande the thirty five, you're gonna have to give up one hundred and fifty. How much is the third worth? Third is worth? That pick would be eighty one? Right, is that we're talking about? That's worth one eighty five? So you'd be overpaying. Yeah, but

you gotta go. Well, you get your starter, you get your guy. I mean, so you fourth is worth what pick would that be? One? Oh? Is that? What do they what's I don't even know because the comp picks happen. Yeah, that hadn't it but it'd be just I'd just say, Dallas is one eighteen. Just give it an example, one eighteen that's worth fifty eight. So even if you gave up that and your comp pick, you're still probably not

coming close to the price for that pick. You probably got to do your third I mean kind of basically what they did for Demark's lawrence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but you get thirty five and nineteen, so two starters. You would hope, you would hope, you would hope and that's you bet you more. Would you rather go? Okay, let me ask you this, that's a good question. Would surely go up in the second round, up in the second round, or go back in the first? Both by

Captain Greedy? Get you trade back, get an extra third, use that third. So you trade back, though I like your aggressiveness. You use that extra third that you've got to move up into the second, and you end up right where you were, except you feel better about the players and the value that you got back in the first which I meant to bring this up in the

first segment. I like what you did. You talk you talk about it, like you just mentioned, you know, well, do I really think these receivers are first round grades. The problem I just had, but I just learned that I don't have win high enough. That's what I just learned regardless. But that's almost the beauty of it, and kind of goes back to the Taco conversation. You're not dealing with first round players at that point anyway, So

you know, trade back to twenty eight. Let's trade back to twenty eight, give me a second round pick, and then just take your pick of either your best remaining first round grades or if you have a second round grade and you're picking at twenty eight, who cares. I mean, get a guy you like, well, he just told you he's got fourteen first round grades there. Well, so you're

almost certainly talking about something. I mean, it's just me, but yeah, I think you both would say it would be an overvalue, like it would be early Like how awful would it be to just take d J. Moore at twenty eight, assuming you got like a second round pick out of the deal. He's thirty on my board, so I'm fine with that. Boom done easy. He's so he's not a first round grade. But whatever, you're picking twenty eight and you got to pick out of it

more her Nandez my board. Now it's more. Uh man, it goes back to the other thing where you know you're guaranteed to get a starter in her Nandez, whereas More's probably got to beat somebody out. YadA YadA. Yeah you got More at one two. Yeah, I've got him at number thirty on my board twenty seven. EJ. Moore is my absolute no doubt about it, pet cat. But I think her Nandez is just a more clear cut, easy decision. I'd probably agree that's tough. We never get

through all these questions. No, um, give me one more, all right, give me a couple more, We'll be fine. All right, Well, all right, if you want to do a couple more that Adam wants to know. Let's say a quarterback falls to nineteen and there's no good offers to bail. Is that just if? Can you even envision a world where they would do that? Let me ask you this, if this team, if this team was eight and eight, again, just say they were eight and eight, and does does Dak has a similar season to what

he just had? Yeah, you gotta consider it. Then it's possible. Yeah, that's where it's possible. That that question is for twenty nineteen. But okay, and I agree to the point of investigating. Educate though, Like we're sitting here right now really not expecting anybody to be there, but like, what if Baker Mayfield is Teddy Bridgewater wasn't supposed to fall to the second either? Yeah, actually with the thirty one, didn't he whatever?

Basically the second round. I remember we had we had this conversation with Manzel, you know, if he's there, you know, one, just take him. He was, and he was yeah, And I mean I don't know. Uh, this is a team that's built to win. Now, how do you think you know, go in to locker room and ask at Jason Witten, you know, yeah, what do you what are you guys doing drafting a quarterback there with you know what does that due to your quarterback room? And there's so many

things there. So yeah, I agree with what you said. Though. If this is a huge year for Dak a huge year, sure it is. It's a huge year for the head coach, it's a huge year for the quarterback. At the end of at the end of this year, you're either talking extension, right, we're letting a new quarterback you were looking very hard

at the quarterback Pross absolutely absolutely. If this if we were having the draft show God Willing in twenty nineteen and it's nine and seven and you have a new head coach and all that and the quarterback plays, then yeah, I think I think you're I think no, I think all bets are off. I can't see it. This is an important year for a lot of guys, a lot of guys. What's the earliest that you're willing to draft a quarterback in this draft? Just like I don't know,

we weren't expecting. You've seen them all. It's the fourth Yeah, you know, like I'm I'm all in favor of drafting quarterback every year or almost every year. And I like a lalta Mike White, two guys who had the Senior Bowl. If those guys are available in the fourth, fifth, sixth rounds somewhere, you know, I would feel comfortable drafting a guy in that range. You know he's your your your third stringer from day one. Who knows he might beat

out Cooper Rush in the preseason. Yeah, and you feel better about, you know, your quarterback room than you did coming in. Would it be hard to pass Baker Mayfield though at thirteen, all right, nineteen be hard to pass up on him? Yeah, No, I'm not. I don't think it's just something not worried. I'm not worried about that decision because he's not gonna be there in my mind. Okay, So I all right, let me ask you this. What if it's Josh Allen? Yeah, I don't Okay, I know

in your scenario he wasn't there. Yeah, okay. If one of those quarterbacks falls to nineteen, yeah, take your pick. If it's Alan or all right, what's the question. Is it hard for me to pass up on? Yeah? Not me, because I believe in Dak more than I think a lot of people listening to this might. And Alan's twenty nine on my board, so I'm not hit over heels over him. May feel that I have close to top ten, so yeah, but I just don't see him being available.

But if he is, then yeah, it's it's something you have to think about. But I I think I agree more with with Dave. This team is not talent poor, is it. No? I don't know that it's as it's not talent rich either. Probably it's a lot I thought it if I could tell you you could have Baker Mayfield and her nand Is at the two first two picks.

Would you would you go with that? Once? My other option, I mean just saying and just yeah, I'm going all in to win this year, and I'm gonna get I'm gonna get me a player that's gonna help me do that this year. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to get you know, Washington Gallop, one of those guys. Miller. Yeah, someone's gonna help me win this year. Leave me alone. Yeah, give me a guy, Yeah, somebody that can help me that. I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they

have to do that. They don't have a choice. They have to. They have to approach this draft finding guys that are going to help this year and help them take that next step. There's no tomorrow for the vast majority of guys on this team, whether you want to talk about the coaching staff, quarterback, last chance, I mean last chance. So I don't know why you would draft

that way this year. I'm just saying, though, maybe if you're the if you if you're if you're Jason Garrett, you surely hell don't want to draft a quarterback in the first round. Right you know, if your job's on the line, you surely don't want to draft a quarterback in the first round. All right, thanks David, appreciate try. We're just gonna take it day by day. Thank Coach. You should but be a little little more cautious. All right. Well, we got one more break and then we're gonna come

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great stuff. Okay, man, the show went fast today. Combine List comes out this week. This week, this week, okay, so this week, so Thursday show, we'll be talking snubs, snubs, guys that got in all that kind of already kind of leaked a few. Yeah, Funa Forward's not going to be there, Dories Fountain, there's a few other ones. Bind gets underway three weeks from tomorrow, I believe sounds about right. Yeah, we will be there, all coverage, wall to wall coverage.

We have Tuesday, we get there Tuesday, so shows Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Best week of the year. Yeah, so we will. We will be hanging out there in Indianapolis for all that. David, you wanted to get into a little bit of some talk about Philadelphia and stuff like that. Well, I mean, you know, we don't. We don't have to spend them. But we don't have a boat at the time anyway, No, we don't. I just I want to

maybe take a call or too. If Ken, if there's somebody lined up that wants to talk to us, please feel to jump in with us there. You know, it's the Draft show, that's what you do. Yeah, And I couldn't help but notice the h and really like you go back and look at it, like you know, you think back to the Seattle teams that were in the back to back Super Bowls, like they their draft successes,

unbelieving Bowl right Philly. Not anything wild. But the interesting thing to me is just like where they found like these these guys that like helped them get over the top. Which case in point, I mean the two that come to mind right away, which Cowboys fans should be able to relate to this Isaac Sumalo, who's a guy we talked about a lot at State, and Big V. Don't make me say his real name. But last year they draft a guard in the third round and a tackle

in the fifth round. Both of them started last night. Don't know how they graded out, but Jason Peters goes down. You have some injuries along your line, a third round pick and a fifth round pick step in and get the job done. And I mean Big V has been starting at left tackle since October and it hasn't hasn't always been pretty, No, it hasn't. Which you know, there's part of that where it's like, well, crap, why can't

the Cowboys do that? What the hell? But then there's part of you that's like, hey, you can find guys that can help you fix your problem. On Day three of the draft, I mean pick five, pick one, sixty four, and then another guy that's really close to my heart, which still don't understand why he fell to the seventh round. But Jalen Mills is picked two thirty three. A lot of questions about Jalen Mills. Where he was going to play? Right, Yeah, was he gonna be? They played him at safety, they

played Warner off the field. Stuff was not good at all. It was more that than anything. I remember that, but I don't. I it's you know, when there's not as far as I know. Well, actually, I take that back. He did have like he was arrested, I believe when, but he never Yeah, I think the charges were dropping like nothing ever came of it for that And I'm not trying to make light of all of any of that, I don't get me wrong. But to fall from like a second third round grade to the end of the

seventh round, I mean, yeah, that was wild. H nine tackles and two pass breakups last night. It's at corner. It's not too bad, and it's these character guys. It's it's tough because you know, Randy Moss has talked about a lot this weekend going into the Hall of Fame and how the Cowboys passed. But if Randy Moss was in this draft, we'd be killing him for all the off field stuff. It's a laundry list of stuff. Yeah, it's just it's tough when to take a chance on him.

You know, do you take a chance. Do you want that type of guy in your locker room? You know, sometimes the talent is worth the risk. I'll give you a great example of Philadelphia. I was in that draft, the ninety eight draft at Moss came out in and I was with Philadelphia, and I remember vilely Jeff Lurry the night before the draft came up and I was just explaining all the tags on the board. We were just standing there and we were talking about courtesyins and

all these guys. And he looked at me said, Brian, please, I would feel really comfortable if you did not if you took Randy Moss off the board. Yeah, there you go. Take Randy Moss off the board and we'll go through it. We'll be fine. I say, well, mister Lorio is he is our one of our top players on our board. He says, if you would just please take him off the board, I would feel better. And they had some extensive They had done a lot of extensive lay Us

had done a lot of extensive work on him. Twenty teams that did. Yeah, the league had done a lot of work, and so that was a decision that Jeff Laurie made. By the way, did you see my tweet over the weekend. Yeah, about all the days that's unbelievable. That was crazy. You know, the numbers, every and every yea, every number you had was legit. Every number was legit. That's crazy. As the third round pick. By the way,

he probably barely worked out too. He probably just rainy mush showed up and one of the most natural asked up a light sweat. I think he could he could still go for like eight hundred in the NFL today. I mean, if you if he tried and actually care, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. But I it's you know, every year when somebody wins the Super Bowl, you look and you expect to see like this, Like I said, like you look at the same good job with some free agents and

guys too. I mean, there's you know, the more I do this, I and I still think obviously the draft is the lifeblood of the NFL. But you get you see what Seattle does and you get in this mode where you're like, well, there's one way to do it. It's not true because, like I mean, going back to twenty twelve, the Eagles have made some really good picks. They've whiffed on a lot of stuff like that. It's not like this team is just built through the draft

and that's it. They've made Chip Kelly got you know, smart free agent signings, they've traded they needed. Yeah, you're the biggest whiffs you're in your out. A lot of them by the Patriots. Yeah, they do not. They've they're not great drafting team. They have a plenty of misses, but they you know, quarterback makes so much difference and genius. But you know what, and I guess that's what jumps out to me right there is you know, Okay, Carson Wentz is a number one overall pick, big deal, Like

did you expect that? You know, Fletcher Cox is a great and you know what, what was top ten? He's picked twelve? Yeah, you get those guys twelve? Yeah, I thought they traded up. Damn near every team hits on more of those than they miss. I would say Cowboys being one of them. They hit, They hit on Car Dallas, missed on Mo Butt, But more often than not, NFL teams hit on the obvious picks more often than not. But the thing is is, Okay, you know Ron Leary

leaves in free agency and Tyron Smith gets hurt. Well, your left guard and your left tackle weren't up to snuff this year. Right, Chads Green and Byron Bell were not as good at hand and handling that you look at this. That's the crazy thing is it's not so much what you're all pros are doing, but how you're filling the roster with your Day three guys, right, I mean, their pick, their fifth round pick, did a way better

job than the guys the Cowboys had this year. I did a piece for Dallas Morning News last week about the best draft picks in each round the Cowboys have had since two thousand. Who do you think is the best draft pick since two thousand? So the last almost twenty years? I think I read this. I didn't realize you wrote it, but I read it. They hadn't Who's the best draft pick they had out of the fifth

round the last twenty years? They haven't had one? Orlando Yeah, okay, and then he's clearly number one, and then they didn't. There probably isn't one there isn't. My number two is Matt Lear because he started a Yeah, and then Joseph Randall was number three. They have had zero sick well, Orlando's Skendrick will give them that. Yeah, beside Skendrick, they've had zero success drafting in the fifth round. And then I said, yeah, Sean Lee is the second round guy.

I would love to know who the next one is after him because it's probably not great. DeMarcus Lawrence all right, all right, and then Andrew or Andre raw Ye shut me up right there. Yeah, but their second rounds, their second rounds have been well you think of all those tight ends they've gone through, well, they've just they've been bad more often than they've been good in the second round over the last decade. And that's that's been a

big problem too. I mean the one to ten the Cowboys are as good as anybody in terms of your your roster. But I think what we're seeing is and going into this season the depth problem. Well, I I thought twenty to fifty was really good in the preseas. I mean, how many guys did we see have really good training camps and preseasons? And it did not MATERIALI did not bear out over when the mattered. So that's the thing for me is I look at teams like this and I'm you know, bo Allen is another guy

the Eagles found in the seventh round four years later. Yeah, Jordan Hicks. Obviously he got hurt this year, but he's he was a third round pick. So that's you know, like I said, teams are teams are more are good at finding the all pros in the first round more often than not. It's how you draft on Davy three. And it's funny how things work with you know, because they tried to get Brandon Cooks, yeah, yeah, because they didn't and because Cooks went to New England right and

missed most of the game with a concussion. Uh, they got Alshon Jeffrey. Yeah, they made a trade for uh Jaya Ji, yeah Ji and darby the corner. They finally got Nelson Aguilar to play. But that was a pick for the Chip Kelly regime. I not mistake it was. It was they finally got him to play. Well, he's the guy everybody celebrated when they took him and not Byron Jones, right, which I think Byron's had a better career than him overall. Right, agree. He just won a

super Bowl. So you know, I told you that thing the other day. Right out of that draft, Baron Jones made games played, Baron Jones played forty eight. Yeah. But the thing is, what's the rest of the Cowboys twenty fifteen draft class doing right now? I know that's the problem. That's and that's that's that's the problem. That issue. Randy Gregory's not here. Is Jazz Green that doesn't know how that went? It's an issue, You're absolutely I mean, Wilson Damien,

Damien's fine. I mean for a fourth round pick. I'm not super disappointed by the career that he's had. It hasn't been amazing. But line back from Wyoming not on the team, the tackle from Virginia Tech not on the team. Yeah, that's you gotta hit on more of those, not to not to necessarily be good, but in order to have the depth to where you can stand something super Bowl despite and losing three different Pro bowlers. I mean, that's

just amazing, that's right. Any right, Thank you, David, appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Depth questions, We'll always love those, all right. That's all the time we have for the Draft show today. Uh, we will be back next uh this coming Thursday. Yeah, Thursday. We'll be back Thursday, eleven am Central. We'll get into some combine talk, maybe some other things will pop up that we need to know about, and we'll get to you get into after if you're curious. After the combines,

we're going to get into some tell me more. Yes, that's what we want to do a little bit more of that, So stay tuned for all that. So from my buddy Stain Burglar, David Holman, Ken't Garrison, Brian Bross, will see you Thursday at eleven am Central. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.