Draft Show: Setting the Stage

in Frisco. And ladies and gentlemen, we've got some work to do. How about that? How about that? We've got some work to do. Brian brought us Bobby belt Ayisha Morrison making her Draft show debut. Very warm, Welcome to the squad. I'm Kyle Omens. How are we doing today? I'll tell you what you said. Ninety two days right too? All right, we'll get there eventually. Next thing you know, it'll be well, it'll be forty two days until the Jeff.

But yeah, it's it's great to be with everybody, and I always look forward to This is one of my favorite podcasts that I do. Bobby, I'm sorry, I know we do our podcast together and stuff like that. We got all this stuff on, but this is my favorite one. It really really is, because I love team building. I love talking about players, I love discussions, I love ideas,

I love disagreements. That's I live for that in a war room setting, and that's what If I can't do that anymore like I used to, this is the next best thing for me. And I'm so excited to be with you guys and make this journey to the Draft, and we're excited to be along for it because another thing you love is teaching and learning the game and having others learned the game. And I certainly did four years ago whenever I jumped on the Draft show for

the first time. Same thing with Kattie, Jeff Cavanaugh, Bobby over at the fan whenever they were all there. I mean, it's such a learning environment, not only for the people in this room, but for the people listening. And I think that's what's going to be the most exciting thing about this year. Bobby, glad to have you back for your second straight campaign. Yep, I'm ready. Well, I'm half ready.

I'm not Brian brought us ready yet. Does anybody really any of us no, no, no, no, no, you can't be uh No, I'm worried about that young lady taking it to me on these happened. I mean, I see no backdown when I watch your shows, I see no backdown over. So I'm kind of a little bit nervous about having to battle somebody over on the other side of this table. Yeah, no, this is this is one where man the Cowboys. I was telling you last night, the night Dak got hurt. Yeah, in Tampa Bay. Yeah.

I drove home and I believe I turned on it was Peter Skernsky the Northwestern I turned on Peter Scronsky tape and then I watched Joey Porter and that was and I was like, all right, here we go, gonna get go. And then they think top five pick man. They put it together, they put it together, and they delayed. They put me on a delay. So I'm not at broad est levels yet, but we're gonna get there. We're gonna get there. Asha, glad to have you along for

your debut as well. What what what can we expect because right now the way that brought us just set it up. Me and Bobby are gonna be the mediators of this this group here, man, I'm not gonna be argumentative on here. I'm gonna be fine. I mean, I'm gonna clip that and bring it up next time. The first time I could see her crossing the table, I can see that. I mean, the thing I'm learning is that we I think we all look at the game differently.

I think we all look at it differently. So I'm gonna try to listen to what everyone is saying and um not just trust my eyes all the time because I'm still learning myself. So I'm not gonna be argumentative, but if i feel like I'm right, i might. Hey, that's what we want. We want that war that war room feel where you don't always agree, you don't always get there. But no fun. That way, it's gonna be a lot of fun. It's gonna be a blast. So

here's the thing the light Bobby just mentioned. The Cowboys did not indeed go on one and seventeen or whatever it ended up being one in sixteen. They went twelve and five in the regular season, made it to the divisional round, and they will pick at number twenty six overall. It's actually the number twenty seven slot, but the twenty first pick was forfeited by Miami, and that that little tampering scandal issue, yah issue, Stephen Ross ye kerfuffle exactly.

So they forfeited that pick that slides the Cowboys down one, but they'll pick twenty seventh in every round after that. They have a pick in every single round, So all the draft capital is still there, and you could potentially get three comp picks for Connor Williams, Randy Gregory, and then add on Centric Wilson it's the third one, so you can potentially have up to ten picks here. Brian,

where is the talent located in the draft? Yeah? You know, uh, as we get started on this journey, I think we're all kind of figuring this out. You know, you're trying to put like to me, I feel like, guys that I've seen a lot of cornerbacks. I feel like I've seen a lot of wide receivers. I've felt like I've seen some and I've heard some of your takes about

wide receivers already. So but I've felt like I've seen offensive tackles, maybe not the center or the maybe a couple of guards, but more offensive tackles, a lot of edge, a lot of edge so far, and so you know, when you get to about one hundred players into this thing, you're starting to see a little bit and I that's that's kind of how the pattern for me is when you stack them all, is it going to be like, oh man, it looks like they're just as a complete

there's gonna be a complete run that you're gonna be able to take on those defensive ends. Is there something with those offensive tackles? I think that's the thing every year that we've gotten a little bit better with, is these offensive tackles as we do this show. The wide receivers, there's there's some names there. Is it is the quality of what we've seen the past couple of years that's going to be debatable for a lot of folks, I think on this show, and I think edge rusher, we've

seen good classes of edge rushers lately. Is it as top heavy though? Do you have the Aidan Hutchinson's, the Cabon Thibadeaus, the Treyvon Walkers at the top of this draft that you normally do, or is it the deeper edge rusher draft when you look at it as a whole. I think there's some guys that are maybe second third round that could do some things for you. I was looking at um. I can't say, I can't say his name to Kansas State. I think y'all was just yeah, yeah,

that's what y'all was just saying. I was looking at him earlier. So it's Felix on your d k U Zama, Yeah, I mean I guess Felix, Yeah, Felix, Felix k or Felix ak No, No, I do I think that it is. Like Brian said, it's a lot of edge guys in here. I was impressed by a lot of the dps. I was like, Dane, this is maybe that's what lot of wide receivers look like. Crab. That's what we was talking about.

That's what we're talking about yesterday with Chris. Chris Baby was like, why over like, I don't know about the wide receivers because these dvs vs are really good. Do you like you liked the wide receivers that you've looked at? Yeah, I tell you what there were. There were a couple of guys there too. And where where the line is going to be drawn? I don't know when you start to talk about, you know, Quentin Johnston from TCU as a guy. I know a lot of people have him

as one of the top guys. Where do you have Jordan Addison from USC you know, I mean there's there's that, Jackson Smith and Jigbu at Ohio State is another one j Hyatt. So all of a sudden, and maybe this is funny because I used to know we're talking about this. She's like, man, are you sure about these wide receivers? And I think she's right about something. I don't think you have that that that group where with the CD Lamb or the Chase or the guys or the Jefferson's,

the guys like that. I don't know if it's at the top of the board like that. I think she's more right about it the more you go back. If I had to had to stack that, you would probably have some guys ahead of some of those wide receivers. But I don't think it's a bad group. I just don't know. And I really like what she's talking about. About. You know, where are those guys? Where are they going

to fit? If you need one? Are you going as one of these guys like with Jackson Smith and Jigba, Is he a guy that you would probably could have a chance at at twenty six. You know that's that's the thing. Because he's dealing with injuries too, you don't necessarily know where he's gonna be, right. See, that's what I'm trying to say. What guys, I think the Cowboys. If I had to make an early just an early thought about the Cowboys, I think it's very much sit

and let the board come to them. I don't see anything right now that's making me say, well, I need to move up. I mean, you're gonna have potentially a lot of picks. Those cop picks are tradeable, so you know, maybe you can find a way to manipulate and go forward. But until I stack this thing up, man, I'm just kind of like looking at it and going, Okay, I think there's certain bought, certain pockets I could hit at some of these positions. Well, when you talk about the

receivers like they are deep, um, but it isn't. It's a it's a flawed group, like even the three that we just threw out there, like they all have warts and problems. With him, Jordan Addison, a lot of people are gonna feel like he's too small. Yeah, you've got you've got the the size issue there on Jackson Smith and Jigba you've got the injuries and how healthy he can stay. Quintin Johnston, like, I love Quintin Johnston, but like that's my that's that would be my number one receiver.

But even Quentin Johnson a guy where it's like, why does it look like at times it's so difficult for a six four, two hundred fifteen pound receiver to get off press like it has spent at times for him? He and and again I love Quentin Johnston, but is he you know he does he, you know, get off press as well? Does he sink his hips? Is he as cleaner route runner as he needs to be? I don't see a guy who is necessarily as as clean as you'd wanted to be for a guy that's at

the top of the receiver class. But that's my point in general about the receiver is that it's not it's deep. There are guys to like, but I don't think there's anybody where it's like you were saying earlier, it's not like, oh, here's Ceedee Lamb, or here's Jamar Chase or here's you know whoever, Yeah, you raised those eyebrows over there, that's the first I looked over. Those eyebrows went straight up

when he was talking about press and all that. I'm super biased because I dB is the first position I like actually learned how how it's billion and stuff. So I think there's some good press corners, and there are. If I had to look at this class right now and say there was a strength, it would be in the secondary. I think it would be corner right now of the draft, because there's five or six guys that I really feel comfortable with taking in the first round

at the moment. I mean, of course, draft grades aren't complete by no stretch of the imagination, but they're high end guys right now at the cornerback spot wide receiver. I think I'm right on with you, guys. I think this is a class that has guys that will come in and make an impact. But are they top fifteen picks?

Are they home run picks like you have with the Davante Smiths and the Ceedee Lambs and the Jerry Judy's and these guys that we've seen previously and that have come out and immediately been on a roster and been that number one wide receiver. Not necessarily, I think these are all guys that are either projects or they've got question marks around them. That doesn't mean sitting at twenty six you should pass up on a wide receiver. That just means you might have some more to look at

at wide receiver. I'll be struggling to like, obviously, I'm new, you know, I'm just now starting to watch like more college tape and board that clap and gets on my nerves out. Yeah, it's just so that such a big difference between obviously, like from college to the league. And I was just who's ill watching doing that? Last night I was watching one of the quarterbacks and he was just like he was like faking and stuff, and I was like, what is I mean, I understand it, but

Stroud will do that monkers. Okay, okay, if I could. You're talking about the corners of the press corners you've seen and the Cowboys. That obviously is something that the Cowboys are going to talk about here with their own situation though, all right, I don't know, but early this Keiley Ringo from Georgia, everybody's got him as one of the top guys. I'm not gonna lie. I'm scared to death of him to be honest with you, Christian Christian

Gonzalez the corner from Oregon. These are like the top two guys that I'm seeing on some of these lists, on some top one hundred lists and stuff like that. I got down to Joey Porter Junior from Penn State and I'm like, ah, cornerback out like got one. So to me, I mean, that's what that's what's gonna be the beauty of how we start this. I felt like if you look at some of these initial lists, it's like I wouldn't have Keiley Ringo at George's my top

guy as corner. I got some questions I mentioned about Christian Gonzalez from Oregon as well. Oregon's put some kids in the league here recently, the playing corner and playing pretty well. But I that's that's the that's the big mystery is like, Okay, when you sort this out, you know, maybe the corners in this draft and I wish I don't know, maybe you feel different me. I kind of feel like though of the top two, I wasn't enamored with everybody else below that, I was a little bit

more interested. Well, well, the Gonzalez Ringo has kind of consensus to for you, Brian, Christian gonzalezesn't get into the Cowboys at twenty No, there's no no, no no, no, no, no no no. Ringo could see. That's what I'm saying, though I I just did not. I was not the thing with Gonzalez and Ringo clearly, clearly as I think that people have him way too hot. It's all traits of ring way too. There were times whenever you look at him on film and he's getting beat on simple simple stuff. Yeah,

it's it's all traits all the way together. I like Christian Gonzalez a lot. He's my top guy right now. He's my top corner because I like the way that he's got the athleticism. The only thing with him is his strength. I need him to bulk up a little bit more. I need him to suppress a little bit. You liked him, you liked him the most. No, I want you to crucify me. Who I think is is exactly this Forbes. There you go. I think that Imanuel Forbes.

He's just he's interesting to me because he's he's lengthy, right, so he kind of on the field. You see him. When I saw him, immediately thought like he looked like Nashan Rdish, Like I was like, dang, he so long, But then when you see how physical he is and the way he uses his length, I think he's I think he jams well at the line um but he just has a nose for the ball. And I think a lot of that is because he's smart. I think

he reads well. But I was impressed with how much he was willing to come down and tackle in the box, like he plays at every level. The only thing is is that you know he's he's gonna take risk. He's gonna take a risk. He's one of those guys. But I don't know. I saw some good things in him, and I think he could be a sleeper. I think he and he's just you know, you play corner, you gotta be like I'm that guy, and he has that I'm that guy mentality watching him. So I really like,

I'll tell you what I think you got. I think you got the guy? What you Bobby? He? I mean, he he has some digs to him. It's like the ball production is really good, the size is good. But like you do question, he's over aggressive at times and it gets him, it gets him hurt. Yeah, especially against a good wide receiver, good out runner. Yeah, bounce him back to Ringo. I'm curious, Bryant, do you have any concerns at all? Because I thought last year he was

much better than he was this past year. Ringo was, Yeah, do you have any concern at all that you're you're putting too much emphasis on on the big plays the way everybody seemed to with AJ Terrell when he was coming out Ringo and Terrell Terrell better than Ringo, though, did you? I guess I just remember Terrell took a

lot of heat for it. Like I feel like the Terrell and Ringo conversations to this point are playing up very similar, and obviously they're two different players, So you can't just say, well, Terrell succeeded, so Ringo will as well. I'm just saying, is that something that you would guard against a little bit? As am I looking too much? I don't watch plays of a young player. Do you feel like this guy can really run? Do you feel like he can really catch up? Yeah? Do you really? Yep? Oh?

David Oregon, Auburn, Florida lsu games. I got to watch. I think he can run, I said, Auburn, Florida LSU. Yeah, So, I mean those are three games he should have impressed you in. It's not like he's playing up against I just to me, I saw separation there when you watched him play. Maybe I felt like there was more separation in the Oregon game than others. But you know the thing about it is, to me, I just felt like that when you know she's talking about this guy's six two,

he's two ten. That's the measurables you're working off right now. I kind of felt like when you when you when she was talking about Forbes and what I can I can live. I can live with the way that he plays because I kind of feel like, though you're gonna he's gonna make more plays, he's gonna he's gonna defend more past. Yeah, there's a there's a looseness to his game, and maybe he comes off plays and stuff like that. I just feel like a guy that reads really quick,

really reacts well. He'll undercut some routes. He's got a nose for the balls. She said that exactly right. He's got ball skills. I mean he puts himself in a lot more positions to make plays. Plus he throws his body around in there. That's when I'm watching nat on tape. That's why I'm you know me, the guy that carries, the guy that routes across the field, stuff like that, That's what I see. Yeah, he's six foot, he's one hundred and eighty pounds. He looks real thin on tape.

He does, he does, he looks. But and the guy makes a ton of plays. He plays with an edge. I like that about the kid, I really really do. And the thing about Ringo, one of the knocks that I had is one he doesn't travel. He's stuck on one side of the one side of the formation. That's not a terrible knock, but mine is he doesn't want to come down and hit you in the run defense. He he doesn't want to come downhill. He's more of a finesse guy. He's got the speed. I agree with Bobby.

I think he can run. I think he can run with anybody. But is he my number one guy? I would actually put Gonzalez above him because everything you just said about Emmanuel Forbes, I think about Gonzalez. I think he's a guy. He's sticky, he stays on top of guys, the top of their routes. He breaks to the ball. He's got a good read both in zone and in press. He's not the strongest guy in the fold, but he's somebody that's gonna come up and put hands on you if you need to. So I like this. We've got

some corner talk early on. How that's gonna be one of the positions. I think this Cowboys team is going to talk about it. That's that's gonna be a line. By the way, about all these cornerbacks that we've said about A couple of these guys aren't is they're skinny. There's a lot of skinny. Is not one of those guys he's no, no, no, no. Ringos built pretty well. But I mean like Gonzalez, like Witherspoon, Smith, like, they're all,

like I think, pretty lanky. Can I ask you, is that do you guys think that's maybe like a trend now? Like a because I feel like, looking at this jet, like you said, I was looking at them, I was like, why are so many of these guys? I know that a lot of players are trying to stay more lean now, but I was just I was really thrown off, Well, how many guys were slim looking for corner I was like, how big was Sauce Gardener last year? He was Sauce was six three and what was he like one five

or something? Maybe some guys that were that were thought about initially as being wide receivers all of a sudden, Yeah, all they would think about, Okay, they're gonna play at wide receiver, tolling thin and then you know you can't play receivers, so now you they move them over to corner. Ryan said, you don't have hands, go play corner. I feel like so many of them on long arms and yeah, and that's a new thing that's to me, a thing that I feel like I haven't seen a lot lately.

And I thought it was funny you brought up Nashan Right. His brothers in this draft, Ray Sean Right, who was the star of the Last Chance You He was at Laney College and then followed Nashan to Oregon State. He's also in this draft class a little bit further down than the guys were talking about here, but I thought i'd throw that out there for Nishan. All right, let's take our first break when we come back. It's the first edition of Twitter on the twenty that we've got

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the back. It's time now for your favorite segment, Cowboys and Draft fans. It's time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on Twitter. The sounder, of course coming from Chris Beam. This is every year. How long has this has been a tradition? Oh geez, we were yeah, Valley Ranch, Yeah, weak in the d K Hill days, back in the d K Hill days. Yeah, it was something we kind of created the sink to be that there was Twitter. Well, we how old do you think

they are? It's good about eleven years. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. So we asked the question every week and we'll answer all the fan questions based off of the Twitter response. I'm going to keep a running total of how many we get to this year. We're gonna try to promise. I'm trying to get five to day. I promise I won't talk along. It's not just your like I said, I'm twenty. You gotta Brian, It's all you. This is Twitter on the Brian all right. Thomas Davis asked what

can we do to help the quarterback succeed? That should be the first priority this offseason for the Cowboys front office is helping Dak press guy. Brian, We'll start with you. I kind of feel like though you need to need to evaluate really where you're at it. Wide receiver, Do you feel like you've got enough weapons there? Do you feel like you've got you know, to me, you look at what's going on with the coordinator as well, it

might be time to move on. I know that's another show another day and all that, but you know you're in a process right now with a coordinator's interviewing for another job. But you know, maybe you're on a situation. I think that maybe some things have kind of run their course here with this coordinator, and so to me, I can't move on from the quarterback. So I got to find ways to help him with whether it's coaching

or whether it's the skill on the offense. And so you know, you look at the wide receiver, You've got to figure out the running back situation. The offensive lines situation with Tyrann Smith. There's a lot of questions that still need to be answered, but I think the number one thing is to figure out what's going on with that offensive coordinator. Yeah, if you're talking specifically related to since this is the draft, show like what in the

draft can help your quarterback? Like, like what is most can help this quarterback? Okay, well what are things you can help You can help protect him, you can you know, help in the running game, and try and just say that No, I'm just saying, I'm saying. I'm saying that there are these different ways that you can do it to help within the draft. And so for me, that would be the receiver is the biggest thing is that

you got to make sure. Look, there's gonna be an evaluation period of and I don't think they're ready to give up on him or anything, but obviously there's an evaluation period with Jaylen Tolbert that even if they believe in him, it's a big jump to say he's going from game day inactive to regular contributor next year. There's it's probably not going to be a jump that aggressive.

So you're gonna have to look at that You're gonna have to look at where Michael Gallop's at if okay, is this our legitimate number two is Noah brown Back. So with all those questions that are up there, I would like, if you're gonna ask me today, like what's the odds on favorite of what position they take in the first round? I say receiver. That would be my guess right now, And I think it's just that would be the biggest way to help your quarterback or NW

If you go, how can I help my quarterback? Go get me Jordan Addison, go get me Jackson Smith and Jake But go get me somebody like that. Well, they could be in a situation too real quick. I should where they The one thing that they've done well as draft first round offensive lineman, especially if you're picking at twenty six, knocked that out of the park. If you know, you get things figure out with Tyron Smith and all that,

maybe the offensive line would be a big help. Not until your point, Bobby, in regard to the wide receiver thing, we've been talking about the fact that like we don't know how many of these receivers take you over the top or can just come in and be a contributor, right away, So you gotta might have to go early to get a guy that can come in and be a difference maker right away. That's going to be the biggest drawback to a wide receiver is if you don't

go up and get one early. Is everybody going to look at this and say, is it Jaylen Tilbert again? Because Jaylen Tilbert was expected to come in and play snaps and instead he wasn't even on the active roster throughout the Oh yeah, I don't want it to be a revision of history. I was all for taking where they took Sam Williams. I wanted them to take Jaylen Tulbert, so I was. I was a big fan. I'm right

there with out the first year, timed doubt. Now you've brought up offensive lineman too, kind of throwing up protection into that conversation you mentioned there's a lot of tackles, not a lot of interior guys. With Tyler Smith Tyrant Smith. Of course, we don't know what Tyrn's gonna do. Is he gonna retire, is he's gonna be back, Still up in the air, but where do you go with drafting an offensive lineman? You go interior, even though there might not be as many top heavy guys in this draft.

I think that you you know, they've proven that they could take a guy and feel like they know they're interested if he could play tackle, they feel like he could play guard. I don't. It's like it's like these coaches that say, hey, when Dan Quinn, if he leaves, oh well, you don't want to have to go get a three four defensive coordinator. These teams are multiple, the way they play fronts. You got personnel you can do this with. You find a guy, you plug and play.

They did it with Tyler Smith. They could do it with one of these other guys to kind of figure things out. I'll say this. Throw another thing in there too that I mentioned the running back situation. I would not be opposed to taking a running back at twenty six, especially if you're I wouldn't got there. Well it's not, but I'm just saying I'm not a person. A lot of twitter question does it help the quarterback? Does it help the absolutely? Do we see do we see what?

Did we see what Pollard did for Dak Prescott and this thing he needed a whole here. Yeah, That's what I'm saying, So to me, just throw that in there's another possibility, especially if they move on from Zeke and Tony and you need something to go from that. Well, s's y'all talking about interior? Uh do since we're talking about it, do you are we talking about bringing back McGovern because I think that could have a back to could play a factor on if you do go into

your this you would or you wouldn't. You said no me personally, I probably wouldn't because I would. I would ride with I would ride with Tyrn Smith at left tackle. I'd put him back at left tackle and put Tyler Smith at left guard. I would do just too. But just like they're bringing back McGovern because he could play anywhere Tyler, they're not going to spend money on him when they got FARNI at Tyler look so much more

comfortable to me at tackle though he did. That's that's another thing is that I felt like he really honed in on that tackle, spy, and you could see him getting better through the year. Towards the end of the year, I was like, Oh, yeah, that's what he are you gonna move Tyron over though, back to right tackle or where I mean Terren Steel? Where does he go get that equation because Tyron wasn't nearly as comfortable at right tackle as he would have been at left tackle Tyler

had his Wartz. I don't know that twenty twenty three Tyrn Smith is a better left tackle than twenty twenty three Tyler Smith. I don't know that. Okay, then if that's the case, then you move on from you move on from or you move on from Tyron Smith, because you're gonna take this seventeen million dollars and go do

something else. I'm just saying that if you don't want to draft an interior, if you don't want to draft on this team has proven if they draft offensive line in the first round, it usually works out very well for them. Yeah. Absolutely, So would you look at a interior guy that could play right guard and left guard? Yeah? Yeah, Look how much you like I wanted to replace him without or with Tyler Linderbaum last year, but they kept two centers on the Future's List, right, So I wondered

that I think that. I mean, you know, we talked about Beyadist not having a whole bunch of competition behind him or people behind him. I think they get somebody they look into. How did you think McGovern played at center at the end of the year. No, he was better regard. Uh, let's this is why we only get through one or two questions. Phenomenal. Yeah, brought us was looking at me. He's like, you just asked the second question.

We'll start with ash on this one. Maurice asked what type of wide receiver would you want to make the best fit at number two? If you're looking at wide receivers in this draft, the best compliment to Seedee Lamb, what type of wide receiver would it be? Tater tots Um Right now, I feel like you are lacking a guy, a Cole Beasley type guy, like an underneath guy that can that can win on his own, but it is kind of shifty and can play on the Yes, I feel like Deck really has thrived when he's had a

speedy slot guy. I think every team needs one and um in it. And if that slot has the ability to take the top off also, I think that could be beneficial. But I would like a guy that can take care of the intermediate stuff but has some maybe some yak ability to take it to the house. And I think Bobby I agree with you, by the way, Yeah, I'd be all in favor that I don't know that this coaching staff would be like if we're just talking about slot specific type of players, I don't know that.

I think it has to be somebody with flexibility for them, Like, I don't know that they'd be thrilled with like you know, Downs or somebody like that. To me, where I think like Downs would like play in the slot here. And then when you look at the Josh Downs from North Carolina, Yeah, sorry, Josh Downs, North Carolina. When when you so to me,

I mean clean route runner. But but like I mean you look at a guy like Jordan Addison, who's a really good route runner, I think that that's again you're talking about like eyes, Is he too small for them? Do they want somebody that's a little more physically built. The two things I feel like they missed at times this year were elite route runners who can get open. And then, as Brian talked about a lot during this year, guys who attacked the football. Yeah, like there were times

that they just didn't have guys that attacked football. And he looked at the two guys that are probably at the top of the draft in terms of the receivers, Jordan Addison at USC Quentintin Johnston at TCU. Like those guys both addressed that Jordan Addison will get open. Quentin Johnson I feel like I'll attack the ball. And so for me, that's those two types of guys would be interesting to me. I just don't know how much your big physical receivers that you continue to draft or helping

you at this point. Like I understand now we're into size and all that stuff and whatever the case may be, but I think you have to have a good variation of it. You have to have options. I mean, everybody can't be the same build on is, but who I don't think they have anybody, but I don't think they've had anybody built like Quentin Johnston. No, I wasn't talking about Quinn. I'm just talking about in general. You know you were talking about, are you right? That's probably the

last But even Quentin Quentin's even bigger him. I feel like and and and different. Quentin Quentin is a Quentin is an ex receiver, like like it's straightforward like definition

of it. And so that I mean, when you talk about that game against San Francisco, when you're talking about all this short and intermediate area stuff like that, Like he wouldn't like you you have fight there with Quentin Johnson and those sorts of passing games, like I feel like he would be able to take advantage of the you know, all right, you're just running a curl or whatever else where there's not gonna be a whole lot of opportunity to separate and just have five yards of

separation and a wide open hit. Like Quentin Johnson's a guy that Okay, he's covered, but I feel like he's gonna fight through the contact, He's gonna finish the catch. And so those are the types of guys that I think could absolutely help them. Yeah, they need a home run hitter. And Jalen Hyatt, if you watch him at tennis set, that's a home run hitter, right, Yes, he is. Every play he makes is big, and that quarterback did

a good job of getting him the ball. And I know that team snaps the ball every nineteen seconds, but you watch a guy like him, and yeah, you need somebody that's a home run hitter in this offense, you know, and I should to your point. Yeah, the thing about the slot and all that makes perfect sense to me. You know, that's why. I was thinking that maybe the t Y Hilton stuff like that would show that. But Bobby's right, this coaching staff is not interested. The head

coach is not interested in the smaller guys. He's just not interested in it. He's always talked about the interchangeability of these wide receivers of having to play both ways. Are they pigeonholing themselves in that regard? If by wanting to be versatile, are they actually limiting the way that their offense can run by picking up some of these

dynamic playmakers. You know, maybe maybe at times, But I mean I also I would see the argument from their side, which is like, we want the flexibility to know, like like we don't want to just they would they would view it as like we're being pigeonholed on offense in terms of we're saying this guy can only play here. Okay, well what can I get out of that? What kind of things can I do with the formation if this

guy has to play here? And so I understand their perspective on it, but yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to maybe have a bring in a you know, if you've got a Danny Amon Doler or somebody like that, like one of these guys who historically has been a smaller slot receiver who can just get open. I'm fine having one of those guys. Yeah, if you're talking about the question was like, what can you do to help your quarterback out? Or how about

the office? The first question, right, A slot, A slot, that is that's their job, and that's what they were. It might have been a little bit of thought process on the order I questions. You try, you try there? Who who was who was the biggest assist to Dak Prescott his rookie here as a pass catcher? Cole Beasley? H Cole Beasley was was was his his safety valve

more than even Jason Witton. And so you know, I wouldn't be opposed to having a guy like that, I mean, Colin, especially if you move on from Dalton just about the same. You can get that from No no, no, But I'm just talking about security blanket throw too. Wow, that's what I thought you could possibly give from t Y. But

to y'all's point, it's not something, didn't it. It seems like they want to Yeah, And I mean Ty is a little different, I think because Ty was hopefully gonna like stretch the field, and you saw him do it against Philly, like like that big play there and everything I got. But I mean also I can remember t why was was on the street and wise, you know,

mid thirties. Almost like there's gonna be limitations on that now, whether or not he wants to come back to he said, one of the big reasons he didn't sign was he wanted to watch his kids play football and his kids play sports and grow up a little bit. So is he gonna be willing to come back and go through an entire training camp, an entire regular season. Got to keep that in mind too, all right. Third question, this

probably the last one we're gonna get to. Carly asked, with the development of Bland and Mukuamo at corner, potentially, is it as big of a need for the Cowboys as it first felt whenever Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis went down. Bobby, I'll start with you, yes, see yes, And look, I mean, like I like the versatility that you see from Mukuamo and the way that he played in the slot those two weeks. That's great, But yeah, you need I mean, it feels like just yesterday that

Trayvon Digs got here. But we're talking about like now he's eligible for a contract extension. We're entering the last year of his deal. You've got Digs there, Brown likely gone. Lewis is entering the last year of his deal. I don't know how they're going to approach that. He's I think he's do five six million coming up this year. You know, Bland was good, but you've got you've got questions behind there, behind durn Bland. You know, Kelvin, Joseph and Sean right to this point have not been the

players that they wanted them to be. I understand both of them have contributed on special teams. That's great, but you didn't pick corners in the second or third round just to be special teamers. And so yeah, I think corner is still especially in a three corner league, and you've got two legitimate ones right now. Yeah, I think I think a third corners absolutely still a need. I'm looking for a guy like Cam Smith from South Carolina, who I think he could play the slot. I think

he could play outside. I think he's got great movement, the ball skills, things like that. He's a he's a little bit of a blockdown tackler. I mean, you know, kind of a guy you wish you'd wrap up a little bit, but he will come forward, he will make plays, He creates turnovers, The footwork, the awareness, they make up

for any other deficiency that this kid might have. I'm looking for somebody that could play I think both spots, you know, much like what you got with Bland, you know, because what's going to happen is these guys get hurt and now somebody has to go play another position. I'm just still want to name out there a guy like Cam Smith from South Carolina. I think he'd be a good fit for that type of guy that can do both things. Now, agree's still a need, still a need.

We saw they were picking up people off the street. It's like because depth is such an issue, Yeah, so I go for it. Get more, get more corners also too, I mean, if we're being real, I mean it affected your special teams play as well, because you had to pull those corners from you know, punt team to come up and play for you. So I it's a domino effect. Absolutely. Once you move one guy around, you're gonna have to move a couple guys around. I like the idea, Brian,

they're having somebody versatile. You don't have that guy. Maybe you do in Anthony Brown that could play inside. Well, it showed they drafted possibly Bland. They showed Bland could play inside or outside. I'd just give me the flexibility to have both positions. Kind of covered Bland, kind of covered you up for the Kelvin Joseph mistake right now. On this team specifically, we would even Joseph was he's not working out, we would be giving him so much credit.

If if Kelvin Joseph was Bland, if if, if, if Joseph played like Bland, we would be so happy about the And they still deserve a ton of credit for getting Bland in the fifth round like they did. It was an excellent jobs missed on him. A lot of teams missed on a sick All right, we're gonna we're gonna fit a fourth one in here. One word answer here. Would you consider be Jean Robinson, the running back from Texas, if he falls to pick number twenty six, I wouldn't

consider it. I'd run the card up there, okay at twenty wow, so you're you're hard running anyway. Twenty six let's go. Let's running a card running Oh yeah, turn in the car. Okay, then Yester, I'll say, I'll say yes for Bijean, but nobody else, nobody running back way. I think the value of the player, and especially if you move on from Zeke and pother, you're you got a huge hole at running back. And we talked about

how to help the quarterback. Bijean Robinson is, regardless of the position, is one of the best players I've seen in this strap. Drafting or running back in the first round is the only position any longer where you can get the value that matches the contract, where you could get production that matches a top tier player, and still you're locked in a five years of Okay, I'm comfortable paying a top tier running back this amount when in reality they may get close to sixteen million once they

at the open market. Not quarterback. I just don't think you're going to get the same level. Like running backs deteriorate by the time the second contract, quarterbacks usually elevate. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. All right, we got four done. Thomas Davis, Maurice Carly Michael, thank you for your questions. We will answer some more tomorrow on More Twitter on the twenty. But when we come back early pet cat candidates. It's one of the funnest things we do.

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Schedule and appointment today at Liberty tax dot com. Slash Cowboys Welcome back in to the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite. Episode one of the twenty twenty three draft process. Chris Beam, Bobby Belt, Brian brought us Ayesha Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeoman's all right, let's get into pet cats. This is so much fun. Yet to explain what the pet cat is. So, the pet cat is somebody that's maybe a little bit under the radar. They don't have to be. You can pick a pet cat in the first round.

It's just the guy you like you're gonna stand on the table for. And it doesn't have to be all year long. You can leave your pet cat. You can leave it straight, you can let it, let it wander a little bit. But if you want to bring it back, that's always there too. You got it. This is your early early pet cats. So, Brian, what's you got? Cody Mock He's a six five, three hundred and six pound tackle from North Dakota State. Where's number seventy and I'll

tell you what. He's a starting left tackle for the Bisons. This guy is an outstanding athlete. The way he moves, the ease that he plays with. You could pull him in space, you can use him on the backside with cutoffs. You can do a lot of things with him. He keeps sustain He didn't let his guys off the block. There's several players, but you see him just driving his man into the ground. And I love that about this kid.

Plays that are really fine program. This team lives in Dallas every year, actually out here in Frisco playing in national championship games. I think that he gets away from the line no problem. In the past protection side, you could strike you with your hands and stuff. I never see this guy getting walked back. I mentioned he's six five, he's three oh six. I would consider taking this guy and moving in the center, is what I would do, because I'm thinking about these teams that have that ability.

We've we've seen like the Philadelphia Eagle to their teams Kansas. See, if you have an athletic center, you happened here with Travis Frederick. You have a guy that's an athletic center, you can cut your defense in half. You can also pull him outside. You can actually maybe have a screen package with his team hasn't had since Travis Frederick was here. But just I think, you know, he's got that kind of frame where he's a little long. It might be trouble adding bulk, but I really do like this kid

from a North Dakota state. His name's Cody Mock's a's a. He's a tackle that I think can maybe play as a center. He's gonna be a Senior Bowl guy too, So he did accept. Hopefully they're working there a little bit. Yeah, maybe getting back and forth for some practice film there. Very nice Bobby who got I have and this is a I thought this one was going to be a little bit more low key, and then I just saw mel Kiper stuck him in the first round. Today USC's

two Ley Tulei Pilop. Yes, I'm stunned Kiper hasn't been the first round. I'm kind of stunned too. Honestly, I thought it was like a second running one or something like that. But to be fair, we all thought he was nuts when he projected Tyler Smith with his very first mock draft of the cow last year but this is a guy who I was talking to Brian before

the show. He reminds me of a little bit of Zach Allen from Boston College from a few years back, who finally has started to click for the Cardinals this year. But think maybe also like some other guys that you could say were similar, Trey Flowers, maybe not similar in in that with with epinessa aj epinessa who ended up with the bills not the same length, like like, it's

not that kind of a guy. And he's he's bulkier, but in terms of powerful players, strong hands, he can play insider outside, he stands up sometimes at like six four two ninety and rush is standing up. And so he's a guy who I think, you know, the testing isn't going to be crazy with him, but plays with

a lot of power, good initial burst. You know. I think he's a a high IQ rusher, and you know, for you know this Dallas team that likes to play guys that can play inside outside, four three, three four, whatever you want to do. I think Twi Pelotto could do that. So I like him a lot. I watched his cotton bolt again against Dulane. He's a fun player.

He flies around and that was in a bowl game too. Now, I mean there's there's guys that are playing and that are having some fun that with him off of that second level, I really like it. You want me to go and actually want to go next? Na Ima, go for it, all right? So my cat, My cat is a big cat. This is a this is a chunky cat. But I love him though. All right. So Christian Mahogany from Boston College, UM Interior, he's in. He's a left guard.

Um play really well. Left guard. Heat to me is what I thought if you kept Tyler ed guard, what he would have become. Um, he's just nasty off the line, vicious hands can get to the second level. He finishes well. I like his feet, but his anchor is serious, like if you put it, if you people put their hands on him, he puts his hand on you. He's probably gonna have you stuck there. But he plays with a

lot of power. Um. I was impressed with him. If you watch him in the Clemson game, he put those dudes in a seatbelt and you already know that Clemson d line is nothing to deal It's hard to deal with. But I really look at him and I like the fact that he has flexibility at the right guard position as well. He played right guards junior year, sophomore year, I believe, and then he actually played pretty well there. But then they moved him to left guard because what's

the gentleman's name, Zion Johnson. Yeah, Zion Johnson left So then they moved them to left guard, and he succeeded there. So when you look at kind of what the Cowboys we talked about, it you want to kind of keep Tyler at left tack or why not if you have a guy you can bring in that can play that play that left guard at that level. Those combo blocks with him and Tyler Jesus, then because they're both they both have that you know, that attack like I'm gonna finish,

I'm gonna put my hands on you. And then again we've seen injuries happen. You got a guy that you can continue to keep working and maybe if you have something happened at right guard, you can slide them there. That versatility I think is gonna get some people's attention. He's kind of a new the radar, but I really like him and I've been paying attention to him. Very nice. Yeah, I like it, Bobby, You may have to help me

with his first name. Is it Demarvian Overshow. Yeah, he goes by just D. It's D from Texas linebacker six four two twenty five. You would think he'd play off the edge he played downhill, No, sir, he's a coverage linebacker. He used to play corner back in the day through high school, early days of college, played kind of that that jay Ron Curse type of safety role if he was in there. He has experienced playing that defensive back position, and you could see it in his footwork. Covers tight

ends well. He does come down and hit. His athleticism, his speed are all there. He's got great length, he can bat down passes. He can kind of stick with guys at the top of the routes. I like him a lot for a guy that may not be He's not a first round guy, not a second round guy. But you talk about third round, top one hundred, back end guy. You're picking at ninety, so you're gonna have

some back end third round guys. He's a value pick for me that I think would be really really fun because he's the project, not a great tackler, not gonna come up and just wreck you great. Great in coverage, not as great and run defense either. Those are things that I think are teachable though. And if you can maybe pick him up with at that ninety spot, I think you're gonna have some success. Maybe somebody, have you seen him, Bobby, I haven't studied him yet, but just

watching him because he steadily progressed. He was he was a big time. He was a big recruit for them when he got to Texas, but he steadily progressed. The instincts look better each year he's but I mean he is a very flexible like you know that. That's a guy who they felt comfortable like, Okay, we can blitz him. We can play him a linebacker, we can pla him at safety like he He's somebody who I think they feel like, okay, he can impact things on defense on

all three levels if you want him to. And it is to Marvian just just for I call him d D what everybody what everybody else calls him. I'm putting D right here in quotations just to make sure, just to make sure. But I want to make sure and get it right so whenever they pick him in round three, I can make sure and say it the right way. Got to I mentioned my, my, my, my guy's size. He's sixty three, three hundred and eighteen pounds. Man. Yeah,

he's a big dude. That's why I said he's hard to move interior now honestly, but I will say, uh, creeping. I was creeping on reading and stuff and his his weight, Lulu, his weight. We call it studying, you gotta, I call it creeping, man, But yeah, I uh. What's one thing about him though, Like I like that he's big and

he's heavy. But that's something that sounds like could be a not a con but something that people are iffy about about is he he has to stay He needs to stay at a good size, like he can get he can get heavier at times, so whoever is coaching him and has to keep him, you know, grounded. So it's absolutely Yeah, it sounds like he's weight confluctuate and he can it's hard out here, but now sometimes but sometimes he can get on the heavier side. So I think that's just something to keep an eye on. But

and that can affect his movie minute time. So that's the only thing about him that punch is disgusting. His first punch is disrespect. I'm gonna watch him today. I'm gonna go and watch him a little bit. I watch your North North Dakota State it. Yeah, that's good about the pet Cats man, because what happens is these guys end up playing in the league and then everybody will tweet at you, like, hey, your guys just killing these people and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean you

you are you are has some good line here. You're single handedly responsible for anybody knowing who George Karloftus is. For instance, I'm Carlos. Yeah that is that? Is that true? Is that a drop yet? Do we have that yet? It probably don't happen. We need we need to make it happen. I'll pull it. I'm gonna send it to you. Let's make it work. That was so fun and sky More. I mean, he's every time I look at him, I think at Jeff Kathman in that ugly number twenty four jers.

It looks awful awful. All right. So that's our first episode of the Draft show here in twenty twenty three. Here's the good thing about the way we've scheduled this. You don't have to wait very long for the second one. We're going back to back days. We will be back tomorrow eleven am Central time. We'll get that thing posted as well. I want you to if you're a draft fan out there and you're listening, send us your pet cats. Put it on the record, start sending it to a tag,

Bobby Tag, Brian Tag, Aisha Tag, myself. Give us your pet cats. I want to know where you're standing with some of these guys, because it is fun to just kind of put a name on there and ride with him for as long as you possibly can. But it should be a fun draft process. I'm excited to be back with you guys, to welcome Aisha to the table. This is going to be an exciting next couple months. Guys looking forward to it. Ready to go. That does it for us for Bobby Belt, Brian brought us Aisha Morrison,

and Chris Beam. I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long from the Draft show. We'll see you tomorrow. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.