Draft Show: Setting The Stage

It's been a long journey, it's been an odd journey, but we are just about to that point. Kyle Yeoman's here alongside Jeff Kavanaugh, the great David Hellman, and also the incredible Kevin kat Turner down in the bottom corner, and so glad you're with us. Hope you're still saying staying safe out there, and guys overall, this is just kind of crazy to think that we're you're finally leading into that elusive day and really weekend of the NFL Draft.

But the realists, it really is just right around the corner. Yeah, I tried to watching wrestling last night, so I was looking for anybody, and it was weird man kind of wrestling. They're like in the end, right, yeah, they're in the empty arena and for awkward real touttoos driving. So yeah, let's get some sports. Yeah yeah, I meant sporting. Yeah, I mean sport. And this is what we got. We got a mapel grow other than the week before the season starts. This is like the best of Stars. Don't

care like the draft on its real draft. Yeah, let's draft. I saw a YouTube video of two bears in the street getting after it, and it was like Tristan Worth's is taken on calevan Chase on. In my mind, I was just creating all these like football references. I don't know, but yeah, let's get this thing going. Dude. I saw that video and Bear number one, who was really you know,

trying to make this thing happen. Beair number two was like backpedaling, but they were both doing the like I will fight you, but Bare number two with backpedaling like no, we don't have food, bro. But when Bear one finally went to it, Bear two man handled Bear one despite trying to tell a row we don't have to do this. See he stayed low with the line of scrimmage. He was able to get good leverage underneath and then able to drive back with a strong lower body. That was

the biggest thing. I think that was kind of the takeaway that we took out of that tape session. However, there's still plenty to get to around just draft buzz in general. Of course, we will have Twitter on the twenty coming up in just a little bit. I will also tell you that Kat has a strategy that's gonna make the Cowboys a Super Bowl contender. We're gonna talk about that coming up in the third segments. So you

don't want to go around anywhere for that. But let's get to some of these draft buzz points overall, just kind of leading in to this final week, in this final lead up to the draft, and I've got a

couple points here. I kind of want to just roundtable with you guys, and we're gonna start things off with kind of the technology, and of course we've talked about the draft beating virtual this season, We've talked about the overall kind of issues that could arise, and then they had the mock draft there yesterday or the day before, and in that mock draft there was issues with the first overall pick. The Bengals at the first overall pick

had a little bit of a hiccup. They did not get their pick off in two and a half minutes of a delay. There was that hiccup there, but after that it seemingly went smooth. According to John Elway, who was a part of the whole organization, it was a mock draft that was scheduled out between the thirty two teams and even included the Cowboys in the script, trading up to the number one overall pick, where they took offensive tackle Trey Adams out of Washington with the first

overall pick. So there was some Cowboys fun with that. I mean, they took Trey Adams, but it was a scripted thing that way. It wasn't Joe Burrow, but just kind of funny overall. But it kind of just leads to that worry overall of the fact that we don't really know how things are gonna go whenever Thursday rolls around. Yeah we do, Kyle, it's gonna be a trade. Rick and I just made it. Oh man, I think not immediately. And I don't know if it'll be your favorite team.

I don't know whose team it'll be but absolutely we will have the a lot of time for a pick and it will go over that in the first round at least four or five pounds, whether it's working out of trade, because what I saw was that the owners the gym for blaming bandwid for what went wrong. That's what you blame. If you don't know what went wrong, you get bandwidth is not the problem. There was not

a bandwidth. There was the problem with somebody, you know, there was a problem with a mute button that somebody didn't hit. There was it's gonna be a trademar and I can't wait your time. Thirty thirty front offices. You know you've seen the Cowboys War Run. You know you watching the Cowboys War Front. You've ever watched it? Somewhere

eighteen somewhere between. All of them separated, you know, because of COVID restrictions, none of them having you know, in person access to their IT departments, and the vast majority of these people do not know how technology works as well as you would prefer. If it goes off without a hitch, I will be shocked. Like if it goes off without a hitch, that'll be one of the most impressive things the NFL has ever pulled off. I think

it's gonna be hilarious. It's hilarious. Well, I think another thing that they have to contend with is that the draft historically has been a made for TV event. So what you see is they have it kind of scheduled out with their commercial breaks and things like that. So you have ten minutes to make a pick, but if we need to catch up on spot time, we need to make this a four hour night one, which they normally do, or three and a half hour night one.

Then the commissioner can put on the brakes and then we'll announce the pick after commercial. If you're doing this like everyone does our fantasy football draft, and we're just moving on the next pick, then it should move faster, and the NFL is going to take their proper steps to make it move a little slower to work at

their pace. So there's a lot going on with that as well, with some teams going, wait, I had fifteen minutes to make a pick, or I only had five minutes to get my pick in because the way it was all it all worked out, and it's just gonna be really, really awkward. It's gonna be really bad. And another thing is too and I mean no disrespect, you do start asking for a lot of problems when you start putting really old people in charge of technology. I

don't know what the kids are doing on TikTok. I'm not I'm just as guilty, but you really do start asking for problems when when you're saying, hey, older person, handle the Internet. Okay, okay, boomer looker, it does present a problem. And you will probably see some of the IT professionals at least involved. I don't know if they'll be directly in the house the entire time, but I'm sure they'll have kind of an emergency contingency plan going into it. I feel like you have to have a

safety net should some of those issues arise. But moving on to some of the players and some of the rumors that are circling some of the selections that could come early in this draft. Let's start with Jeffrey Okuda, one of our favorites out of Ohio State. The cornerback top on the board, I believe across the board here for the draft show in terms of the top corner

on the board, and it's really not a competition. However, there's some rumors that he may slide back a little bit, and corner may not be as early of a draft need as teams may have thought originally, or as media may have thought originally. If he ends up sliding back, I'm not necessarily saying he would slide back to seventeen, or at least within range of seventeen. But is it a possibility that that maybe push C. J. Henderson to seventeen?

Maybe a Christian Fulton there maybe a little bit further back if you wanted to trade back a little bit. What does this do as a domino effect with a cornerback position. I think that's where these rumors are great. I mean I think I think you're still putting money on it, and I still think you think Okuda goes at number three if that pick doesn't get traded, and

I think there's a chance that that does happen. But I do think it's interesting, and it's first of all, it's like disclaimer, it is smoke screen sison like yet to remember that, right. But the Derek Brown, the Derek Brown to the Lions rumors that popped up out of nowhere yesterday are very interesting. I always kind of thought they might keep it quiet on Isaiah Simmons that they would like him and maybe try to keep that down. So if Okuda does go back though the next landing spot,

you kind of look around. It's like, okay, if you get past the quarterback teams, the Chargers and the and the Dolphins at five and six, maybe the Cardinals are eight, Jacksonville at nine, Like, you get a couple of teams who would make sense and take a corner back, and maybe that does push someone back back to you a

little bit. No, I god, why nobody's good at mock drafts because what we do and I do too, So I'm talking to me you uh like, we'll talk about what you get the best player and find the best value in the draft, but then we'll mock every other team to pick their biggest need instead of necessarily picking the best player where it's like, well Henderson, uh, you know, maybe he goes nine because they need a corner or maybe,

and that's the way that we do it. And then somebody's gonna break the whole thing by just picking their best player even though it's not their biggest position in need and ruin everybody's buck draft. So I really don't know, And that's the fun of it. That's I was gonna say. I mean, who's the type of player, Like, even if he slides, I can't imagine him having a crazy slide because at some point somebody's gonna say the best corner in the draft is sitting here at pick eight, Like,

of course we're gonna take him. Who cares what we need? Like that's how that works. So I don't think I see it. And I mean I've been suspecting for a while that CJ. Henderson is going to go higher than a lot of us initially thought. And I know you can't trust draft week rumors completely, but you know, the buzz seems to indicate that that's a total possibility. There's a lot of chatter about Atlanta wanting to trade up they could use a cornerback. Talked about Jackson Bill drafting CJ.

Henderson at ninth overall, and you know, Jeff Okuda could slide to seven or eight and then CJ. Henderson goes nine or ten, Like that wouldn't shock me even slightly. I definitely think he's talented enough to be picked that highly. You hit somebody who likes him well, also kind of going off of that a little bit, there's the dangling of picks kind of going on. At the same time, you've got the Giants at four that are saying, hey, we've got some prime spot, some prime real estate right here.

I know the Lions are just ahead of us, but we still got a pretty good spot here if you wanted to trade up and see what we could do there. So I mean, even if he gets past three and then you move on the later parts of the draft, which I think he will get past the third overall pick, because I don't expect maybe the Lions to sit there and select. But then you've also got teams like the forty nine ers who could potentially trade the thirteenth pick. I know, like you said, Atlanta has a chance to

be a suitor the Cowboys, are they interested? Depending on who falls, it would be kind of a tough sell to me. But at least there's those conversations being had between these teams about these picks early in the draft and kind of dangling them out there. Any of them kind of surprise you or at least pique your interest a little bit. Can we talk about the laziest smoke screen in the history of the World that came out yesterday. I'm still laughing about Justin Herbert. The Giants are doing

homework on Justin Herbert. Be my guest, y'all. If you want to have three top ten picks in the last three years and spend them on a running back and two quarterbacks that nobody's sold on, you go right ahead. But if you expect me to believe that you're talking to Justin Herbert because you're actually going to draft him, you're stupid. Or if you actually draft him, you're even stupider than that. So have all the fun in the world, Giants.

I hope it works for you. I hope somebody comes to get your pick, but I doubt they will because nobody actually believes you would do that. What's a dumb rumor, because if you're the Giants, let's just pretend that they're let's pretend they're really smart, right, and so in their mind they're really smart, and so get them and sitting there and he goes, boys, you know what we gotta do. Hold on, they move my binder, talk to you, guys, but we got to do just tell people we're interested

in a quarterback. That way people will want to trade with us to come get the quarterback. But then somebody smarter than him would be like, well they've actually what would happen if teams thought we were interested in that quarterback is they would jump ahead of us. So we're actually just creating even more demand for the pick in front of us, not for our pick. So we're really accomplishing nothing with this rumor. But Dave, what in the middle of that? Would what in the middle of that?

Assume that the Giants were being smart though, that's the question. Maybe Gettleman is trying to help the Lions. Maybe he's trying to help you know, Patricia and uh and bab O'Quinn, you know, get something for that third overall pick. Good job day, a good team player. You know the owners are in this together. Well, think about this. Maybe they're trying.

Maybe they're trying to pique the interest of a team that might have to get ahead of them to get trade with Washington at two, so that Washington goes back and doesn't have Chase Young and you're not playing against Chase Young twice a year? Is that crazy? What does that have to do with the Giant? Well, if i'm if I'm talking about a quarterback. If I'm talking about a quarterback at three and then I'm another team, I'm well, I gotta get ahead of I gotta get ahead of them,

or at four, I gotta get ahead of them. Now, I don't know, Maybe I'm crazy, I am What do you guys think the Giants? What do you guys think the Giants are gonna do it for? Y'all think they'll go like one of the tackles, either one of the tackles or Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, tackle or Simmons would be my guests. Probably there, probably tackle. I don't know. It's kind of tough to look at whenever you see it goes back to kind of what Jeff's point was at

the beginning of the segment. Our team's gonna draft best player they're gonna draft need. A lot of people have offensive tackles slated to the Giants at pick number four. Best player available most likely is gonna be Isaiah Simmons at four instead, So if they do end up selecting there would be interesting. Now some of the other players that could end up going in the first part of the round. This will be the last point before we take our first break, but javon Kin Law to tungul Byloa.

Of course, health concerns. We've had some a little bit with them over the course of the draft process that Naton and Ninis for ken Law the hip for TWA, that apparently both were cleared during the NFL combine. Now are they still clear? Is kind of the question going into this. Are these physicals being failed? Are these teams potentially going to let them drop a little bit more

than we earlier anticipated. Do you see a drop from either one of these just because of the oddity of this draft process moving into the final league, kind of hoping for a TWA drop based on some of my activities that I did yesterday, because those rumor rooskis are

getting floated around there, so I went with it. The thing about like medically cleared is it means different things to different people, Like you could have twenty three teams that said, tah, good to go, and then you could have ninither are like, we ain't touching him no matter what.

So even cleared is a weird term because it's like you get the initial report that to his medicals checked out, it's clear he's ready to play, but you've probably got somewhere between five and ten or maybe five and twenty five team who are like, yeah, that's cool, he's clear to work out. That dude getting hurt. He's banged up, so you just you never know what it means for

your teeth. I'm gonna put a dollarp of hand sanitizer on right now because I'm about to get my hands dirty and break off a piece of truth for you guys. Let's do it. Let me get a little high with you. Okay, get a little tun with you. Tuah is not just a quarterback, and that's what makes him valuable. He is a very good quarterback. And let's be honest. I think it's probably fifty fifty that we're playing less than sixteen games this year. I think there's a chance. I am

not scared of drafting two because there's a chance. A. I don't have to play him at all. B I don't play him at all because there is no season. But see if it's in the best interest for the team, I can still develop him for one year. Much like Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. None of those guys played in year one. I do not have to play him, just because I drafted him. So if you're worried of it, he just got hurt. But okay, yeah, I hear you.

If you're but if you're worried about if you're worried about the hip, like you think it's degenerative, and he's well, then he doesn't need to be in the league. Then okay, fine, he's a good player. He draft him and he needs to go high because he's not you know, Kyle Bohler. He's not Jake Locker. He's an excellent player. He's he was not good enough. Wait but ta ta kat oh on kat, let me ask you this with Tuah. But let me get another doubt. Let me get one more doubt,

and then we'll have this conversation. So the bar sun realize hand sanitizer was necessary today. Okay, So are we pretending that teams who are medically worried about Tuah are worried about this year too. They're worried about his career, they're worried about two years and hip, knee ankle. They're not worried about will he be able to play this year or will he able to renhart this year? They're

worried about are we picking a franchise quarterback. It's not gonna be available bunch, not today, but forever you weigh the you weigh the risk reward of that. Isn't it worth it anyway? Yeah? Fine, I'll roll with Tyrod Taylor. Fine, you got me. If if there's not very good, he's not as good as two ah could be. If there's any chance that to uh plays like the guy that we saw at Bama when he was healthy, like you

have to draft him, and I understand the concern. I get it, But if we're again quarterbacks different, everything about evaluating the position is different. If the pick hits, you transform your franchise, and that's worth the risk to me, even I totally at it, like he never he didn't like play one hundred percent of any of his college seasons. But if you even feel slightly optimistic about his medicals, you just do it. I'm not going to criticize anybody

for trying to transform their franchise. You know, if you if he was a running back or really any other position, I feel a lot less secure taking that risk. But if he hits, you change your franchise. So you just roll the dice and hope for the best. Hey, guys, what if you make the seventeen do it all day? Let's go well with that being said, I don't want to tea Sorry, Kyle, go ahead, Oh, go for it. I mean either way, whenever you're going into pick seventeen,

I mean, it's best player available or your needs. And I don't know if a need is quarterback right now or anything. However, we do have a twitter on the twenty question coming up that's going on addressed if the Cowboys could actually pull a trigger on a second day quarterback. We'll address that when we come back here in just a moment here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. I'm Jay Novachik, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys

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some twitter on the twenty. I don't know if we have a drop or not. I believe yeah, there we go, There we go. We've got we've got a drop. We've always got the drops going. Y'all want to get crazy right off the bat here? Sure? Yeah, let's get nuts right off the bat all right. Our first question, Andre McMillan comes at us, and he says, how do you feel about pulling the trigger on Jalen Hurts with our second round pick? Now, hold on for just a second.

His explanation says, if he's there as an insurance policy as well as a backup quarterback, he said he's a big deck fan, but he doesn't like the idea that any player is holding a team hostage, especially if the team is trying to keep him. What do you guys say, Oh, I don't second round, So I don't like the idea at fifty one, and I mean, this is this is pie in the sky. But as long as we're getting crazy like the scenario that I've seen a lot of

that I don't I don't mind at all. Is if if captain trade down, if Jeff gets his desired trade down in the first round, say you trade into the mid twenties at a pick, and now you're picking twice in the second round. I would draft Jalen Hurts in that scenario. I'd feel good about it too. I don't have a problem with that. But pick fifty one, I've only got you know, four picks in the first four rounds,

and I got all these other needs to address. That would that would kind of bumm me out if my only second round pick was going to a backup player. That's a great point by day to realize that the only scenario that's the right scenario is trading down. I just suder saying the right scenario is it includes Jalen Hurts Jeff, that's fine, you don't have to do it that way, but captain trade down must ride like this here and I ran a stimulation. It's like it's wait,

here's what say it? Nay. The whole point of the Draft show is to consider like every single angle of what could happen in the draft and all the different ways it could lay out, and you just bully your way into one thing, and I just don't want your heart to get broken. Back doesn't happen. Okay, Okay, you're right, you're twenty seven. You can trade down to twenty, you can go all the way to thirty five, or you're right.

There's lots of scenario and to win, that's all like you're just gonna leave the show, and I'm gonna be sad. What Well, I'm not going to leave. Okay, good bone night one. Jeff will be doing something else. Jeff will will join you on Friday and Saturday. If if you take Jalen Hurts at fifty one, what do I have like a hundred guys I have graded higher than him on my board? Oh okay, like yeah, but how many

they don't get drafted? Where their value says they should. Ever, even like nobody thinks Joe, does that mean that's right though? Dave yes, absolutely yes, Because it's quarterback. It's the same conversation as too uh. If you like a quarterback drafting where you can get him. Joe Burrow is not better than Chase Young, but the Bengals would be stupid to take a defensive end over a quarterback if they think the quarterback can change their franchise. If you like Jalen Hurts,

he won't be there past. I mean, if you only have one pick in the second round, if you pick at fifty one, he won't be there when you pick it eighty two. Very likely not, It's possible if they like, oh, go ahead, I'm sorry. If they like case cookus from northern Arizona, then maybe they'll just take him. How do'ther have him in the sixth or seventh than oh, the second. Don't get me wrong, I would too. I would way rather draft a Day three guy like they did with

Mike White a couple of years ago. Um, Jake Luton out of Oregon stage whoever you want. I don't care, Um, I just I'm just saying. The way quarterback works is I don't think you can count on hurts to fall to you later on because quarterbacks don't do that very often. Um, if you think and if you think like Kat does, if you think that he's a career backup, you're not

using the second round picks on the period. That's a great point and kind of going off of what Dave said a little bit earlier talking about the best scenario for that to even happen is to have multiple second round picks, And it kind of leads us into the second question here on Twitter. On the twenty, Sean asked, it almost feels like a couple of picks in the second round or more valuable than pick seventeen at this

specific point, you guys believe that that's the truth. If you end up picking up maybe multiple second round picks, is that something that ends up being more valuable to you? And would you end up taking one of those as a potential quarterback? I would skip the quarterback part because I agree. So for instance, this morning, I was dong and around that's what I do, a dog around on

the MoGraph stimulators and just look throughout a scenario. Let's say Chason makes it the seventeen would you rather have calebon Chaison or would you rather have whoever your favorite is of Delpit or Xavier McKinney and Damon Arnett. I'm just making up a guy. I pick at fifty nine or sixty four, I'm in Yeah, so I get Our and Grant Delpit or Caleb and Chasm. Yeah, I'm probably going the probably don't give me the multiple players in

that scenario. I guess the funny thing about what the question that was asked by the listener and viewer, you said the two second round picks, like what part of the second round early in the second round, late in the second round? Right, and just assume they're two second

rounders in the middle. Oh, if you're trying to one do you better be getting two good second rounders because I'm just thinking more along the line to again, I just pick a team that makes this work, which would be like Seattle, and that's what you get twenty seven and fifty nine or twenty seven and then sixty four. If you're moving all the way to the second round, they're gonna do a lot better than sixty four. It's

the other pick. Yeah, And I can I share a hot take with y'all share this is This is something I've noticed over several years of doing this. I do think there's always good talent between like pick thirty four and pick sixty five, Like it always seems like or you know, pick seventy five whatever, like the second and third rounds really feels like a nice sweet spot. But at the same time, I think we tend to fall in love with that because of the appeal of the unknown,

you know what I mean. So it picks seventeen, we've really we've narrowed this thing down pretty good. Like I think we've got about five names that we feel pretty confident would be the pick. And when you're picking a pick seventeen, a lot of people don't like all the options there. You're like, I'm not sold on Chase On or you know, I don't like Fulton or Digs or Tarrell.

I would rather they don't do that. But all the way back at pick fifty one, there's about two dozen players that make sense, and we know a lot less about how the Cowboys feel, so you can talk yourself into way more options, and I don't think that's realistic because again, I think the list of players the Cowboys would actually pick is a lot shorter than the list

of players that we're interested in. I think sometimes we just kind of fool ourselves into liking those later rounds later because there's more guys for us to fall in love with, even if it's not realistic. I think that's a fair point. Absolutely. I agree with Kavanaugh. Can totally sell me on Damon our Nett because I love Damon our Nett and for all we know, they might not touch them with a ten foot pull. But it's more

enticing to talk about because there's more options. I think it's I think it's actually the exact opposite, where if you're not picking one of the guys that you have is like a no doubt first rounder and maybe they'll have at seventeen that they do have. Is that that you're just playing an odds game here, where the odds at seventeen the like who wins a trade in theory if you trade down, the answer is six times out of ten, the team that traded down win because they're

getting more darks to throw at the board. Now, that doesn't mean that you're going to fall in that category every time. Because of the tad, it's usually about six times out of ten not nine times out of ten, but trading down is the win. Trading up is the

law when you're not talking about quarterbacks on average. So I think we also have a problem with falling in love with the players at pretty much any pick, to the point where we think, well, I've got these guys in the right order, and so the guy that I'm going to pick here when reality is that you've got a better chance at it if you have an extra dark well, and I also think with this draft specifically,

a lot of the talent is front loaded. I mean, you talk about Chase Young and Joe Burrow and Tua and even if you wanted to throw Jeffreyokuda c J Henderson, it's those top fifteen players that gets you excited. The next fifteen don't get you that much more excited than the next forty five. Almost it almost seems like the top fifty picks as a whole, it's ten and then it's forty. Now I'm not saying that's necessarily the case.

You can still separate guys like Damon Arnette and Christian Fulton, you can do something stuff like that, but at the same time, you still have to have that kind of game changing pick in the first half of the round that you may not be able to have later on. So it does that value ends up playing back and forth.

And I know, at least in this draft specifically, I would feel more comfortable having multiple second round picks and trading back toward the bottom half of the first round, because then you get three solid players rather than an okay solid or an extra solid player then a solid player at fifty one. I'm still on trade down the team trade down any day. But do have a question. I know, I know I'm driving the chase on train, but if they can get out of pick seventeen, I am.

I'm way on board with that, just so nobody mistakes me. So your chase on if you're at seventeen, but then you're still fine. You're still fine trading away, is what you're saying. I would be happy to draft Caleb and Jason. I would be happy to get out of the pick. I'm fine either way. But if Chason's there, I think that's a coward move. I think it's gonna be hard to execute trades on the clock. It's gonna be tough.

And even John always said that yesterday and his reaction with the mock draft is the fact of is the fact that trades aren't still gonna be tough overall. Okay, next question, Thomas Davis asked what player has been mocked to the Cowboys recently that you do not want for the team. A. J. Carrell. It was easy. He's my eighth cornerback and that's the name we've started hearing seventeen and our buddy Dame Brugar I said, or I saw

he even said on the Twitter. To me, he was like, that's if he makes it to seventeen, he may go before that. And again, this is one of those things where my buddy Chris, he was asking me. He was like, you didn't have it was this was going back to twenty seventeen, like you didn't have t J wat ahead of Taco. So I had to pull up my whole board and I was like, yeah, look ahead, he was my fifteenth best player at Taco in the sixties. So yeah,

I did, like I can prove it. But then I looked at the rest of my board and I went, man, there's some there's some mighty misses here. So's we can all be wrong about we can all be wrong about this, but AJ Terrell is the guy that for me, he's a late second round guy, and talking about him at seventeen, I'm like, no, thank you, but you never know. I typically watched Terrell go ahead, Kate, no go ahead. Sorry,

all you babe, all you babe. I typically, I mean I watched tape in terms of like best player, it's a lesser known player. So I watched a lot of these guys, like a long ass time ago. Like I watched a lot of these dudes before the combine. I definitely I hadn't looked at AJ Terrell since January or February. So I spent an hour watching him yesterday because because people have been talking about him, and like, so, I know he got picked on by LSU, so I threw

that out. I know he had a rough day against North Carolina. I was like, all right, I'm even gonna throw that out. So I watched him against Texas A and M, which Climson dominated that game. But I still wasn't in love with what I saw at all, Like I couldn't come up with a reason why I thought

that would make sense. So I would be I would be not very excited if that was actually the pick he misses about twenty five percent of his tackles, and while he ran a four to four two at the combine, he does not play like he runs a four to four two, and I think that's one thing you'll see. And he also gives off balance a lot. There's a lot of questions about a j Terrell, and I think teams are gonna get suckered into the measurables and just

go with it, you know. Honestly, Terrell, Fulton, Diggs, any of those guys at seventeen, and I'm going I'm just not happy about that. That's me personally, just kind of where I'm at. I know that I like Jeff Gladney more than the rest of the world. I'm kind of bothered or that. I don't know at all how the Cowboys feel about Jeff Gladney, because I wish his name was popping up a little bit more. But yeah, but Terrell, that's a good name. I don't want them to go

draft a linebacker in the first round either. That would disappoint me as well. To answer the question I think this team needs to draft, I think this team needs to draft two wide receivers in this draft. Well, I think this team needs to draft two wide receivers in this draft, So if they draft one of those guys and one of the big three wide receivers are on

the board, that's going to bother me. And I think overall, I'm kind of in that same frame of mindset with aj Terrell, but I think I would rather lean Trayvon Digs there. I'm it's the same kind of thinking. He's a little bit further down on my board. He's seventh on my board in terms of corners, and he just kind of he had too many question marks and he kind of relied on his length a little bit more than I would like for a first round, seventeenth overall corner.

But I would be I would honestly be fine with Christian Fulton. I tweeted that out this week. I'm not I mean, I'm a fan of Christian Fulton overall. Now, I would rather pick up Christian Fulton in the twenties because that's a better value pick and you potentially pick something else up later on. But even if he would were to somehow be the pick at seventeen, I wouldn't necessarily might be the only one that might not be

too upset about that overall. Okay, final question, rapid fire, just one word answer, yes or no. Wes Kintrell comes on here and he says, do the Cowboys pick at seventeen? Yes? Yes, yes, okay, so we're not trading down. Well, I think you'd like too. It's just a matter of is it doable? Because how many other who's there? How many other teams feel the same way to Cowboys too, We're like, wait, why would I be going up now? We want to go back?

It's gonna be some bandwidth issues. Yeah, unless somebody is in love with a quarterback, that's there. I mean, if somehow Justin Herbert was to fall, or if somebody really loved Jordan Love or maybe if if a great if if McKay Beckton slips like he did in our mock, if he falls all the way to seventeen and somebody that didn't think they had a shot at him realizes

that they do. Maybe, But you know, we've spent so much time talking about how we don't love our options at seventeen, So what are the odds that somebody else is going to love their options so much that they want to give up picks to get it. It's possible. I'm willing to lose. I'm wanting to lose on the chart. I'm willing to lose on the chart, to go down, to go down. Wow, how kind of what it's come to. It's Oh, I like the Frederick's thing where they should

have got a two and they got three instead. Yeah, looked down towards the end of the first round and pick up a three. I'm willing to lose to go down. But our team maybe, I don't know, maybe which The funny thing is the other thing that could prompt the trade is like what if one of the big three receivers falls? But if one of the big three receivers is there at seventeen and they trade out of it, I would be pretty upset. Yeah, well you're kind of going off of that. I would say it leads into

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It's the final segment here the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, our finals show before we get the draft underway this Thursday. And there's some fun events outside of our draft show of course, Draft Day presented by Miller Lite. That's gonna be a blast. It'll be streaming toward the earlier parts of the draft. We've got all twenty two hundred and fifty five picks for you. You don't worry

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Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But we do have just a couple more minutes left here in this final show before the draft, guys, let's give our strategies going into the at least day one, and then kind of how we see day one painting out and how we would take the rest of the draft and the roadmap that we're going to lay out going into Day two and day three as well. Jeff, we're gonna start with you. We're

gonna put you on the clock pretty early here. If you were in the GM chair, if you're sitting in that war room and Jerry Jones house, what is your strategy into Day one? My strategy is to be as prepared as I can for the possibility of Javon Kinlot seventeen, figuring out how we feel medically and if we want to make that pick. My strategy is knowing how many teams are open to coming up and based on certain players being available, and this will not surprise you guys.

My plan would be to find a way to bail. My plan would be to try to end up with an extra top one hundred pick because I moved back from seventeen. And then my plan would be to get comfortable with all the corners and safeties in this class and who would I like to pick, whether I have to do it at seventeen or if I can do that in the twenties and then again in the fifties or sixties. My plan is simple, captain, trade down, must ride, find a partner. Yeah, I think that's a good plan

to have and something to be ready for it. I think a lot of those trades though, I think you need to have already been having conversations with New Orleans or New England or those teams that are in the twenties. What if this happens here? What if this happens here? And number one strategy, I need to know about ten contingency plans right away. What do I do if this happens? What do I do if this happens? What do I do if this happens? And have them in order and

start checking them off the box. Because when you get there, communication is going to be way more difficult than it's ever been. So you've got to know, you know, got to know what the plan is at the snap of a finger when it happens. You need to know, even though you've got the two K, two o'clock or whatever kind of going from that, what's an example of a

contingency plan going into it. I mean, I know there's a ton of different routes in that tree, and the possibilities are going to go spread out in different directions, But what is one possibility that a contingency plan could bring Jerry Judy falls to seventeen? Are are we all on board? I know we wanted to take defense. I know we wanted to help out the edge rush. I know we need to attack cornerback. But I'm looking at my wide receiver depth chart. What if Amari Cooper Michael

Gallup gets hurt? What is Cedric Wilson our wide receiver? Three? Like? Are we all go? Okay, let's turn the car and Jerry Judy Like I personally, again, I said this earlier in the show. You don't gotta take a wide receiver at seventeen. I'm not pushing for that, okay, but if it happens, I don't think the big three you're gonna fall to you at seventeen, but if it happens, you

need to be prepared to make that move. I think this is a team that needs to come out of the draft with two wide receivers because what happens if one of those guys does get hurt are banged up. I mean, then the wide receiver depth chart on this team ain't good after Cooper and Gallup. It's right, you need to draft receiver, though, the second one I think you can get in the fourth or fifth round. Okay, yeah, would you? Would you agree? No? Yeah, for sure? And I mean I think you and I are on the

same page. I think the Cowboys have to come out of this draft with a pass rusher, a couple of dbs, and at least one wide receiver. And you make mistakes when you try to force the round that that'll happen in. But I just think you have to identify the best possible value at all those spots. That's why I've been pushing calevan Chase on so hard at seventeen. I think when you weigh your options there versus what this team needs, that makes a lot of sense. If he's not there.

That's how you wind up talking about Christian Fulton, Trevon Diggs, and j Terrell. Move back to pick fifty one. What's the best value there? Would it be a guy like a Josh Uch or maybe a Terrell Lewis if they last that long? Is there a receiver you love there? With how loaded this receiver classes? Is it possible that a guy like Jalen Ray sitting there? I doubt it, but you gotta be ready. So that's that's what I'm weighing those three positions or four really because cornerback and safety.

I think they need both find the best value at all those spots and draft and I think the big four money picks, assuming they don't trade, which maybe they will, but if they don't seventeen fifty one, eighty two, one, twenty three, I think it's going to be really defensive heavy and hopefully throw in a wide receiver if the if the value makes sense. I know, I'm kind of with you. I kind of want to go back to something that Kat was talking about with multiple wide receivers.

Now I've seen the concern. I mean, other than Michael Gallop and then Amari Cooper and you don't really. I mean, are you trusting the centric Wilsons of the world to get the job done? No, you're not. You need to at least one wide receiver. My contingency plan would be early on, you need some dbs, you need a corner, or you need a safety in round one or two, round three, and four, that's your sweet spot for your

wide receivers. But the fact that Katie, you're saying that you need multiple wide receivers, where would you take each one of those guys? Well, I mean, it just depends if the board's putting you in a situation to take an excellent player like one of the big three guys we've been talking about in Rugs and Lamb and Judy and if you want to talk about Jalen Raagor and Justin Jefferson. I'm okay with that. We can we can

do that. But like it's if the board it's just exposing a player for you and you just can't turn it down, you just do it. Like it's just it's it's that's a simple thing. That should that I think everyone should go, Okay, this is just too good to pass up. What do we There's really no thought that should go in here, we've done all the work. It jumps out at you take the guy. So it's hard to be specific on what player you know, but you

really got to consider it. And you know who knows Ken Law falls back to you, you know, and maybe one of the wide receivers falls back to you somehow. I mean, look, there's guys who are gonna get drafted tomorrow, like Austin Jackson probably gonna end up in the top twenty. And we talked about AJ Terrell maybe not being there in seventeen, like there are some guys who are gonna

go we were gonna back Huh. No one in thought that Cleveland Farrell was gonna go pick four last year, you know, Like there are be some head scratchers that And that's why it's maybe some of these names that we've been talking about all along are there, Chason and kin Law or whatever. But I'm just not gonna be scared to take wide receiver because when I look at it, yeah, I need help at cornerback, sure, but it's not like

I'm good at wide receiver. And I don't think this team, and honestly, I really don't think this team is in a position to go out and if the third wide receiver gets hurt, I mean, if one of your wide receivers gets hurt, they're they're not really a good position

to go put up huge offensive numbers. To be honest with you, you know, and I wish I could say differently, but if Cooper or Gallup gets hurt and they haven't done much to help out the wide receiver group, but Cedric Wilson hasn't done enough to just be handed wide receiver three. The other thing I would throw in though, personnel trading, like players on rosters already, that could be

interesting as well. We've seen Marky's Goodwin already get dangled out there in San Francisco a little bit San Francisco at thirteen and thirty one. They look like they want to play. They look like they're trying to get some action going just because they don't pick again until the fifth round. I believe so. Like but a wide receiver that's already on a roster could make sense as well. Christian Kirk Christian Kirk type would be fantastic. I would

have love you captain trade down. Oh what if? What if you can't bail out of seventeen? But San Francisco wants you to come up for thirteen? Would you do it? What am I going up for? Tak your wide receiver? Jerry Judy? What they cost me? Probably just served? Yeah, probably eighty two, right, yeah, eighty two and maybe one of your fifths, but we'll say eighty two just to get you to do it. CD Lamb available, Uh No, just sued Judy. That's that's a no brainer. No, it's

gotta be Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy. C J hadn't really disrespecting Jerry Judy. C J. Henderson's No, I'm not giving up an extra pick. I won't give up an extra pick to go get c J. Henderson. I would think about it for Lamb and Judy. But the thing is is I would have a full ten or fifteen minutes to think about it, because I would be they'd be on the clock, and we'd be talking about this night of time. I wouldn't I wouldn't be pushed

like this to make a decision right this second. Yeah, mad, do you know how mad the cowboys would get at me? The Cowboy nation would get at me if not only was I taking a receiver in the first round, but I was trading up and giving up a three for it. So now all I got left is my two, and I need an entire secondary and an entire knee line a year from now. Cowboys Nation would kill me and I do it, no heartbeat, Let go a great one, mad, they're a great player. Does Cowboys Nation think they we

have a number three wide receiver? We don't. Does Cowboys Nation think of Mark Cooper and Michael Gallup have been beacons of health? They're not. No, But I think, guys, but you have receivers to say that you're big at jed and that you're willing to give two of your first three pick. They need like nine players. They need like nine players. Yeah, this is a year where the

Cowboys need like two draft picks. To Jeff's point, though, it would be somebody I can't remember if it was Katie or Dave just now said or is it so certain that the Cowboys have a third wide receiver? I don't think if you're looking at Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Judy, it's also not a guarantee they're gonna be your number three receiver. They may be your two or year one. I'm not disrespecting Amari Cooper, but I'm just saying, Ceedee.

Lamb and Jerry Judy are two guys at the top half of this draft that gets you as excited as any other receiver that you've seen on the board or at least been available as of late. I mean, this is could be a game changer in terms of your offense. Overall, team forty burger. It maybe forty five burger if you've got Lamb running around and breaking tackles the way that he does. When somebody's insane enough to gift me an

NFL team and I'm picking my own players. If the criticism of my front office becomes you've invested too much an offensive weapons to help your quarterback, I will say thank you for your criticism. You're right guilty as charged. But that many people are gonna watch you play Madden. They should well, I don't play Madden. Just they would have to watch, they'd be watching me build the team I GM on Madden. I don't play. You know what, you know? I could see it happening, just because I

know new regime changes things. I could see this team finally away to draft a center or a guard. I'll stop it. I don't even want to talk about that early. We need to chill out with the Ruise and the cushion Berry disrespect. I'll tell you that right now. I disrespect if it's part of a trade, like if they if they drafted Caesar Ruise or I don't know, man, Oh yeah, if they drafted one of those guys way

back at like twenty eight, I wouldn't hate it. Oh No, I'm talking about with my extra pick or at fifty one. If I have an extra pick, if I haven't, if I have three picks in the top seventy and one of them is on one of those centers, I'm cool with that. Yeah, that's fine. But I'm not trading back to the mid twenties and then taking Caesar Ruise and being happy about it. That's that's my spot where I go get a corner, or I go get a safety or something of the sort, because the safety de scares

me a little bit. Yeah, Jalen Ragor you can throw that in there too. Now, that might be your third white receiver and he would be incredible at that spot too. But I kind of want to ask this question. We're about three minutes from the end of the show, but safety depth in this draft it kind of scares me a little bit. I was working back through the safeties again last night, and once you get outside maybe the

top twelve, top thirteen, you're kind of getting sparts. I know that's a lot, but compared to some of the other spots, at least I'm comfortable with fifteen or sixteen corners, but I'm at maybe ten or eleven whenever it comes to safeties. Is that scare you into maybe picking a little bit of a picking earlier in the safety spot, maybe round two or round three, if you don't trade down. I don't think so. I think there are five, six, seven,

eight nine. I got about ten safeties that I feel I can step into the NFL and start eleven to Delphi McKenney, I've got eleven as Ashton Davis, Jeremy Chenino, Stone, Kenny Robinson, Cavan Walace, Brandon Jones, and Kyle Duggery. I got eleven safeties, but I think could play in the NFL and contribute right away. And like to your point about having more corners, that make sense. If you play three corners, you play too safety. To think the mass

is kind of lining up here. I think I think the safety group, while I'm not incredibly exciting at the top, I kind of like the safety group. I think it's I think it's a pretty good safety group, just I don't have a first round group. I think it's fun overall too. And I guess we've talked about a million times. Look, the last top one hundred, early on top three round safety they took was JJ Wilcox, and that didn't necessarily

work out for them. That's where I kind of go bringing Darian Thompson bat and then the signing of Haha, Clinton Dix along with we know we have Xavier Woods and then there's Donovan Wilson from last year. They have four safeties plus whatever they're gonna have on the practice squad. I just don't know if they're going to draft the safety at all with their seven picks. Yeah, I don't say. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but I just

don't think they'll draft a safety. I have been so burned by trying to watch this position over the years. And yeah, I mean, Kat just took all my talking points out of my mouth. I think I think that they would consider I think they would consider Delpitton, McKinney. I would like to think that they would consider Antoine

Winfield because he's one of my favorite players. But if those if it doesn't fall to where one of those three makes sense, I wouldn't be shocked if they don't draft one, because they have three guys that they view as starter caliber. They've got a developmental guy in Wilson, like Katie just said, And I certainly don't think they're going to force that pick because they have never once

shown that they really value that position. The most they've ever shown that they value it is they gave Haha, Clinton Dicks four and a half million dollars, and like, that's not a crazy amount of money by NFL contract standards, So I just think that says a lot. Maybe they draft Zavier McKinney in the right circumstances, but otherwise I

wouldn't be shock if they just don't even look at it. Well, we are fifty five hours or so from the NFL Draft from the start and a kickoff of what was originally scheduled to be in Las Vegas but now is virtual in our time of breaking this down coming to a close, man, it's still kind of the nerves are there.

The nerves are setting in whenever it comes to Pick seventeen and the options that are available for the Dallas Cowboys overall, because fifty five hours away from this thing and we're still kind of at least throwing out so many different possibilities. And I think it's gonna be like that all the way up until Pick seventeen. Now, do you want to remind you? Will will be live six thirty on Thursday, Draft Day presented by Miller Lite. This is It's gonna be David Hellman, myself, Katie and Dane

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