Draft Show: Senior Bowl Standouts

from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Gentlemen, I'm gonna dive right into this because I want to talk a little bit about the Senior Bowl. But I'll tell everybody what we're gonna do here a little bit first. You can always get a hold of us at eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. We're gonna take some calls today, probably gonna do that after we do Twitter on the twenty. That's our next staple that we're gonna have today. Needs you to get all your questions draft

related questions. Let Dane, David myself have an opportunity to try and get those questions taken care for you. That's at the Draft show. You can get your questions that way. Kent Garrison will handle the calls. He's executive producer this fine program, So make sure you're nice to Kent. But we're gonna do Twitter on the twenty and then we're also going to do a game at the end called

would you Rather? And I like this game because I went back and looked at last year's draft, and I'm comparing players from last year's draft, similar rounds, similar positions. Would you rather? You haven't shared these yet? No, I have not. I'm looking at them. I have the dubious distinction of reading them. I'm not looking forward to this because I think this is gonna be hard. So yeah,

it'll be interesting. Yeah, I always I always try and make it interesting because I want fans out there always want to know is this guy better than is this? Would you take? I don't know, Dane, how many times you probably get a Twitter people ask you, they'll give you three names and they ask you to which one would you rather have? Right? And so I'm doing this and it's not just first round guys, right, I've gone through and gone through some you know, third and fourth

round guys as well. This isn't something that just you know, fans will ask. This is something in war rooms better ask. You know, they want to know. General manners want to know from their scouts, who does this guy remind you of? Compared to that. That's exactly right, Mike. My experience working with Jerry Jones is Jerry Jones is better when you describe a player or you say he is like this guy and somebody that Jerry knows. I don't want to

compare players. So yeah, the head coach doesn't want to compare players, but the owner general manage will compare players all day. So that's what we got today. I'm gonna put a bowl in the Senior Bowl. Twitter on the twenty and then Draft Show, would you rather? I said, I want to get in that Senior Bowl And we just got back from Mobile, had the game on, he

had a chance to look at it. Dane, two or three, maybe four or five guys you thought were winners from the Senior Bowl and the week itself, not you know, I mean just not the game, but like the week itself, guys that helped themselves with their draft stock or give. Maybe the people didn't know much about him, but elevated themselves a little bit. I think any conversation has to start with Hassan Reddick, my guy from Temple. You know, a guy ranked highly going in, and he lived up

to that high status. I think even surpassed it. I had him as number thirty eight overall on my board. He's gonna be men right about him, but he's gonna be mentioned in the first round. Now, Yeah, I think he helped himself that much with his ability on tape. He's an edge rusher, he's going out of the pocket and mobile. He was asked to drop in space. About that. Yeah, he looked natural doing it. That athleticism. He did not look out of play. So I think Hassan Reddick only

only helped himself. He's gonna be in the first Roundbix. He catch your eye there as well. Oh yeah, I'm obvious. And you know, the day we got there, one of our scouts told me he didn't even say his name. He's like, watch the Temple kid. Yeah, and uh people,

and it kind of it's funny. It's funny how that happens is and and rightfully so, I mean, he had a great week, but you know, the wheels start turning, and you know you didn't know his name when you got there on Monday, and now everybody's all over right on on the Hassan Reddick train. I'm with you on that one. Go ahead. Next guy. Uh, a guy that you guys probably saw a little bit in college, Duke Riley. How about that former former Tiger buy you Tiger? Uh?

This guy? We were watching him in from the press box, sure, and I'm looking. I'm watching him like, you know, who's this number eleven? And I'm cam fired out of my roster. But he had his jersey rolled up is actually number zero zero? He was making plays all over and run, Yeah, he can run. And so he's a guy that you look at his maybe a sub package player earlier in his career, but he's going to compete for starting snaps

once he gets to an NFL team. What's really funny to me is I think Duke Riley is a very similar player to Debo Jones. And I mean they played. But the funny and I'm gonna mea culpa because you can go back and listen to draft shows from last year. I was like, like, I like Dion Jones a lot. He's a great athlete. I don't maybe defensive rookie of the Year, but I didn't think that back in January of twenty six. I was like, you know, he'll he'll

make an NFL team, He'll be a good player. He'll be he'll be like a Keith Smith, try hard, maybe find a role for himself kind of guy. I certainly didn't think he re interceptions, two touchdown returns, he hundred tackles. He had an amazing year. And so that comparison to Debo Jones for Duke Riley is a lot more favorable right now than it might have been a year and a lot of credit to both of them. They took advantage of opportunities. You know, Jones didn't start until a

senior year, and with Riley kind of similar. I mean, there's so many athletes on that LSU defense had to wait his turn. When he finally got the opportunity, he blew up and I think he only helped himself with the Senior Bowl, just like Jones did a year ago. So another guy I want to mention you talked about the tight ends, how deep of a group it is. This year. Oj Howard was a top guy and he easily. You know a guy we could talk about, but I

think we've talked about him enough. Another tight end I want to talk about as John new Smith from Florida International. Not the biggest guy, a little undersized, but he's an athlete. He can move, he can create spacing in his routes. I think John new Smith is a guy who helped himself, where maybe a player like Clemson's Jordan Leggett he decided not to go, Smith might have passed him in some people's minds on the tight end ranking. So I thought

Smith definitely made some money in mobile. Dave, you get a couple of guys in mind, just yeah, I'm gonna take this opportunity to pat myself on the back because last week, before Dane left the Senior Bowl, we talked a lot about Kareem Hunt. Yeah when and I mean he had a great week of practice, but then he went and balled out in the game too. Very well. Yes, you know, I had this like pipe dream that he could slip and be a feasible pick for the Cowboys in the fourth or fifth round. But I mean, if

he keeps that moment, I'm going maybe not. I don't know, he looked really good. I still think third fourth round is where he's gonna be viewed. But yeah, the third third is rich for me for a team that has Ezekiel Elliott, right, and I mean more power to him. Get your money, dude, And speaking about this team specifically picking in a later portion of the round, good point. Probably have to get him in the third round if you want him. But we had my favorite, uh Toledo

running back Cream Hunt. My favorite stat for him eight hundred and fifty six offensive touches in his career, not having one fumble one that game that freshman any and he recovered it. So this guy is proved to be a three down player over his career. But then also at the Senior Bowl, he can catch the ball. He's a blocker, he's has the ball security that you want. Then he's also a darn good runner. Yeah, the part, the part you talked about the block I love the

one on one against the linebackers. He was stone in those linebackers. That's that's tough drill for Yeah, it is they're out there in space or by themselves, no help. And you get a linebacker that gets a run on you. Do you have anybody else there, Dave. I actually, and I'm going back to what we talked about, and I know you wrote about him. What did you I mean when you had a better chance to look Jordan Willis? Yeah, I seem like I mean, and I didn't watch the

whole Senior Bowl. Yeah, I wrote the thing. Jordan Willis I thought played well in the game. Dane and I were having this discussion about him or where he really fits. He plays as a left defensive end for Kansas State. Do you think he could be right in worthy? Dane doesn't think and correct me if I'm wrong. This is you know the bend? Do you see the bend from this player? Or do you see a guy that consistently goes past the quarterback and then has to come back.

I think a lot of people are aware watching the game of Jordan Willis. I thought he played with a little bit more bend on tape. That that's me. But you know, I understand your concerns because what you were talking about pre show was, Yeah, there are times when you see him have to rush, he rushes up the field. Where's the point where he gets to the quarterback? Right? Where does he find his path at that way? So I don't know. I mean we always talk about left

ends right ends. What is he? I kind of think that he could do both, But to me, he's more of a left end, and he's two hundred and fifty five pounds right and he has powerful hands, and I love his get off. I mean, he bursts off the ball and he plays the motor that you want. He's a great individual as well. I mean Bill Snyder raves about him as a person. But I do see some stiffness in his pass rush. You know, there are some times we just cannot bend around that corner and win

the arc. This passions class is so loaded, right, and so this guy, for me, I like him, But when you put him in context of the other rushers in this class pass rushers, you know, he's down outside my top fifteen right at the position just because it's so loaded. So I liked the player, I just think there will be probably more people that like him more than I

play the game with me than Dane. If you had Charlton, Willis and Hall play that game with me, Charlton, to me, is the top guy of that group, a left end who's going to continue to get better as a pass rusher end run defender Hall Hall is interesting. Um, I think there's a little more ability, a little bit more untapped potential there. So I give him the edge and then Willis would be third from Okay that group? Well you no, no, I don't. I had it. I had it,

Charlton Willison Hall Is how I had it. You have Willis more like in the third I have I have I you know, we were talking about two three right like I had him. I had Charlton Wilson Hall All in the second round. Okay, So we'll see, we'll see how that goes. My guys. I liked I agree with you guys about Hunt. I thought Zay Jones helped himself a little bit, you know, with what he was able to do catching all the ball, the adjustments, things like that. I really don't know what he runs. His speed is

four or five? Three is what scouts were working on all year. I don't know, you know, I mean, you don't see when you watch this tape, you don't see him always separate. And when there were times at the Senior Bowl when they contested with him, he had some problems, but he did make some contested catches in the games. I think another guy helped himself was Chad Williams from Gramblin. Glad you mentioned him, I don't. I really didn't know

much about Chad Williams from Gramblin wide receiver. I didn't know much, but I thought practice he only had one catch for eleven yards. But I thought the week, I thought he was going to have a big I thought he was going to have a big game. The way that he was practicing, the way they were throwing the football to him, he found ways to get open it did. He showed he belonged. I'd only seen one game tape of him going into the week, but it did not take long for him to show that he belonged with

these other FBS talents. A guy who didn't look out of place physically athletically, the way he was tracking the ball, making contested grabs. Absolutely, I thought he helped himself. Just want to say for nobody blames y'all. I mean it's Grambling like he can't get to every prospect in January. Yeah, like you got time. But it's nice to see. It's nice to see Grambling get backed the inn. You know, Grammlin had a successful seasons. Success will campaign so nice sack. Yeah,

nice to see Gramlin get back. And I'm gonna say this guy's name wrong, so Dave correct me on this. It's our Florida linebacker, Alex Anzeloni, got it right, Alex Anzeloni, linebacker, Florida, six four, two hundred and forty pounds, right around playing as an inside linebacker kind of thing. He needs to play on the outside. But I saw a guy that usually tall linebackers inside don't usually make it. This kid gets the football, though. I don't know how much you.

I mean, I'm sure you've studied his game and stuff like that. Is the tape gonna be different. He showed up watching practice to me, but then showed up even more in the game. That's what kind of where I was. You know, maybe he's not a guy that's gonna be a you know, a second day guy or even a you know, third day guy. He's got a good tape, and I think he was one of the top three

linebackers in Mobile. Biggest thing with him is durability this guy has, so he's a banged up guy, laundry list of injuries, a guy who doesn't have that indestructible body type for a big guy. He's not like that right exactly. Hisstory shoulder issues, arm issues, So that's going to be the biggest hurdle for him. But when you just talk about the on field talent, he's a darn good player. Okay,

losers get a couple of losers and losers. I don't mean this in disrespect, No, I mean things that disappointed you about the gay. It could be play, it could be injury. I put a couple of guys in there because of injury. Yeah, I thought about that. I feel bad docking guys for getting hurt, though, I mean I felt Okay, loser is the wrong word for that, but I wanted to see forced Lamp play guard. I did. I really did. I mean, I mean I was ready

for him to come in there. He's a tackle from Western Kentucky, and you don't see him get to play that that. I was hopeful. I was really I was kind of thinking that maybe this would be an opportunity to a better evaluate him playing his guard. So I'm calling him a loser. I'm calling me a loser because I didn't get to see him play. Everybody's a loser for not getting to evaluate him, is what you're saying exactly for me, there were a couple of guys that

weren't not losers for me. I don't think they lost money by any means. I just wanted to see more all Texas, A and M. He flashed, he was inconsistent there for whatever. That's um Antonio Garcia from Troy, a tackle who kind of up and down. A lot of people like him. But yeah, he struggled. I think to me that matches the tape. I really wanted him to wow me this week, and I didn't do it. He

didn't do it. Yeah. Taywan Taylor, the Western Kentucky receiver, guy we both liked on tape, right, he was non existent not I mean, we talked about Cooper Cup, we talked about Zay Jones, but one Taylor was a receiver we didn't talk much. How about Darrell Dave. We talked about him on Thursday night. He was really non existent player. I know. I didn't go into the Senior Bowl thinking

he was like a beast though. To be totally honest with you, but yeah, no, I mean, but in a group of receivers that had the opportunity in a bad week, I gotta well, you guys tell me if I'm crazy, because this is the guy that written, well, thanks Dan, this is the guy that jumped out to me when you told me we were doing this, and like he didn't have a bad week and we talked about how like you don't even know where to play him anyway, But like Desmond King, see, I had him as on

my list too, I had him at number five on my list. I just and like I said, like, I don't think he was bad, but I'm I would argue he's probably one of the most known names on that rout out. Wow, how about how about a go make a play on yeah Flash. This is some guys junior that I thought it was a better player. He's a Thorpe winner, He's won the Jim Thorpe Award. Anyone who starties on tape knows him. He's not a burner that's

not going to run well right exactly. So when he was up in press coverage and he didn't land his jam, and you know, receivers are able to gain a free release, he couldn't do anything about it. He couldn't recover, He couldn't you know, be a factor at the catchpoint. So, yeah, I think it's fair to mention him as a guy who who probably hurt himself, although it's just that's kind

of his game. Uh, you know, he's probably a better safety is a safety and Myra Kings, if he's gonna stay at corner, probably a Cover two type of corner, a guy that you know he's physical, but you don't necessarily want him up pressing because if he gets beats. Do either of you, sorry Brian, do either of you think he's got a realistic chance even if you're drafting in to play safety at being a first round pick. No, probably not, not with the two safety. So you're probably

gonna take him the first round. And I guess an LSU kid and the Ohio State kid now they'll have to get into that. I'm sure there'll be a question on Twitter on the twenty about that. It's harsh, it's harsh, but I mean King is a loser because of that. Yeah, I mean he a lot of people thought he would be a first round pick, especially if he had come out last year. I'd say that he's more of a loser because he didn't come out last year and came back for you know, he went came back for a

senior year. Got his degree. Yeah. I know we're sitting here like blast right guy, No, but we're also talking about drafted players to help our team win. Yeah, I'll be better at a player like this who needs a specific landing spot and a specific role. I just hope he goes to the right spot where you know he's scheme, yeah, or exactly so he can he can flourish because he has skills. About my about my tackle guard from pitt Business, Watty,

how about that? Not a great not a great week? Yeah, And I was kind of thinking that he was going to be a guy that maybe if you're looking for a swing player. He looked bad at guard, didn't look great at tackle. Didn't think he played with any power. Yeah. I don't think he's an anchor to meet inside the guard, and he doesn't have the length to stay at tackle. I don't know what you do with him. Yeah, he

did not have himself a good week. Really, you look at all these tackles I mentioned, Garcia Business Watty, uh, the Buckano kid Davenport, I didn't have a great week. I didn't think Connor McDermott from UCLA had a good week. Better in the game, I watched him in the game. Just better in the game. But you're right, I'm not I'm not discounting what you're saying. Just better in the game.

The only tackle who I saw that I really came away saying, Okay, I liked what I saw was Taylor Moton from Western Michigan, a guy who a lot of people think he's a better guard, but I like him at right tackle. I don't think I don't disagree with you. I think I think he's all right. Okay, Well, that's that does it for. That's the bow that we put on the scene your bowl. When we come back from our first break, we're gonna do a little Twitter on the twenty. So make sure you get your questions in

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Draft Show. Cowboys on the Club back here on the Draft Show from SMBC Morgan Studios. Name Burglar, Brian brought us David Hellman, Kick Garrison, Executive Producer. I just want to also say thanks everybody out there. I always do this. Thanks to everybody out there that's followed along at the Senior Bowl three days that we did shows there. Thanks

for coming back with us again. We always like to talk about we investigate and educate, but we also like to get you involved in the show, and this is our opportunity to do that with Twitter on the twenty and Twitter on the twenty. Here we go. I've missed that, So David Hellman take it over, please shout out ed ka Hill. All Right, we're gonna start with some some pertinent news. Doug wants to know, a lot of other people want to know. We talked about it in the

mail bag today. News coming out that Malie Cooker, widely regarded as the top or one of the top safeties in this draft, is having surgery on his labor, labor and hernia as well. Yeah, what does that mean for him going forward? I mean we still got about a month till the combine. Means he misses the combine, it's not going to work out. Yeah, Well, that's the biggest worry is he won't be able to work out prior

to the draft. And so you're taking a player that you're going strictly based off one year of tape because he this is he was a one year starter at Ohio State, a redshirt sophomore, so a young player. Uh, and having the two surgeries, the torn labram and the hernia there, you know there are question marks here. Um now, will this is this going to drastically push him down

the board? Doubtful. As long as we go to the combine and you know everything checks out okay as being on pace and with his rehab, he's still going to be a top half of round one. Now, this isn't going to help the Cowboys, but it could help a team like the Brown at number twelve. You know, you never know, Malie Cooker could fall to them at number twelve. They could gut a discount on the player because of this injury. So it will be something that we have

to monitor. But we'll learn more about it in Indianapolis. Do you have him as your top free safety and Adams is your top strong safety or do you have them paired together? I like to rank my just like I do my linebackers. I just put them all together. Yeah, And do you have Hooker over Adams? Yes, because a lot of these guys who can play both. I think

Adams could realistic play both. Sure, he's a better strong than free, but I think he can play both hooker a better free obviously, but I think he's a top safety this year. Those ball skills, that range, he just can't teach that. Yeah, I think so too. I have him as my end and people were asking me on Twitter whether I felt like that he would drop to

twenty eight. I think you're I think you're accurately accurately, I think you're accurate in your statement that he's probably now more of a mid round type of a player than he is, say the upper top of the draft. If he falls to twenty eight, you probably don't want him because he's falling for a reason. Yeah, so, yeah, I agree with you. I would I let's consider him at twenty eight though, if that medical stuff checks out. I mean, this team is that this is gonna be

another one. I mean every year there's something where, like, you know, the questions about this won't be let me let me tell you this guy's draft to get ready for, and let me tell you this get ready for more. I think there's gonna be two or three more. Uh. Medical questions of top shots always are I say every year, and I think there's and I'm just kind of hearing

some whispers. So I don't really want to get into names, but I just think you have to be ready that there's gonna be when we get to the combine here and we'll be there every day. Spill your secrets, Brough. I'll tell you guys off air, but you know, especially the contact guys, running backs, the linebackers, guys that are used to take a lot of abuse. Ji, Yeah, exactly, All right, go ahead, David. I got a fun hypothetical here from the kawayat kawaiat Storm who appears to be

a Spurs fan. He wants to know if Tack McKinley, Cory Davis, and O. J. Howard are all there at twenty eight, who do you like? Speaking of injury guys, Tack Kinley with what's going on with him? Well, another wait and see situation, Um, another laboring problem is well right, um, and he to my knowledge, he has not got surgery yet. He's waiting on like a second opinion and figuring out what the best best way to go defense is what this team needs at twenty eight. Right, there's no question

about that. But if an offensive playmaker falls to you at twenty eight, you know you don't turn your head at that And if somehow Corey Davis falls at twenty eight, That's what I'm thinking. I don't think there's there's just a very very small chance he would fall that far. If he would, you don't even think about it. He's the pick, at least in my opinion. You can I ask you a question, what do you got? And you got Howard? And you had this Miami kid in Juku? No, no, no, sorry,

I got a question about that. You're all right, well let's just get right there then, all right, go ahead, your heads in the right play because I want to ask him. I agree with you on Davis by the LP eighty one wants you to basically break down in Joku versus Howard. What are we dealing with? Types of player? Who do you like more? Blah blah blah and JOKEU is just such a physical freak. He's so athletic for a guy that's you know, two hundred forty two hundred

forty five pounds. Eager to get to India to see the exact measurements on him. This is a state national champion high jumper, yeah, high school. You can see it with the way he plays right in his route acceleration. How fluid. He is. His catching runs skills, He's a tough blocker. He needs a lot of work in that area. But he's only twenty years old, has only nine starts

in his career at Miami. The production isn't amazing, but you look all of his production last year, almost a fifth of his total production, his catches went for at least thirty yards. It's a big play threat. He's right now. Oj Howard's a better player long term. It's hard not to believe this guy's not the better player. I tweeted this out this morning, but I had a scout tell me that their tight ends coach said, and Joku has the most upside of any tight end he's ever seen.

That is that's that is That's accurate. He's just's very big with the natural tools, and so there is, uh, you know, some some question there if you know, obviously he has to reach the potential, but the tools are just outstanding. And that's not to say Howard doesn't have a lot of those tools to be a successful pro. But I don't think he has the same type of ceiling as in Joku. Is that That's the most fascinating component of draft talk right there? Is like ceiling verse floor,

like like the Bosa thing last year. It's like maybe he doesn't have the ceiling of like a jadeveon Clowney, but he's got the ridiculously high floor, Like what do you value more? And actually, and I know he's not healthy, so it doesn't matter. But if Jake Butt was healthy, I mean, based on what y'all are telling me, I would still have Howard. I'd say he's Miami and easily third. Yeah, yeah, But would you argue that he's got a higher floor in terms of like you know what he is and

you know what he'll be or is that projecting too much? Then? And Joeku, I'd say, definitely Howard, I think he's got He's a polished guy in a lot of respects. I think he's him and but both have I think high ceilings. You know, I'm not she's worried about you know who they're gonna be as pro But you know with the thing with Butt though, is and scouts are pointing this out to me. When you watch him play, it's a

lot of the underneath stuff. Yeah, it's a lot of drags and things like that cutting where Howard is more of a down the field. Now they'll throw some waggles and stuff where Howard drags, but his stuff seems to be more down the field. I know. But but can make plays down tofild. I'm not saying he can't, but I think that you see with Howard, you know, I'll tell you where I said this too in our shows. I felt like that the that the Browns coach just

did Howard a favor playing him in line. I thought that showed scouts hand on the ground playing next to a tackle making things happen in the running game. I think that the Browns did him a huge favor by doing that, and he responded by playing well. Yea his release off the line of scrimmage, She's still able to gain separation with ease during drills. Yeah, o J. Howard only cemented himself at the top senior tight end, and really he's just battling in Joku to be that top

tight end. Drafted, I think both realistically could be looked at as a top twenty pick. I don't sit there if you know, if you lose Howard and Joku, I don't know if I would be totally disappointed looking for a tight end and picking him. I think I think they're very I think they're very close the Miami kid. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah they are. It's on what y'all are telling me. Yeah, I mean, if you're if you lose, and I think Howard's gone before Dallas picks twenty eight.

But you're where does this guy go? This guy could be This guy to me, could be at the bottom of the first rounde I'll be surprised if he gets that far. I think he's gonna do you think he's maybe top twenty, Yeah, I think I think it's gonna be like this might be an Eric Ebron situation where I was tenth, right. I maybe my memory sucks, but like, when was the last time you saw two tight ends

go in the top? I mean, I know we've had Eifford and ERTs in recent years, but I mean, it seems unusual to have like two or three tight ends go in the top. It is first round, No, there's no question it is. And I think but they're athletes. Now, this would be they're like big wide receivers rightly, and this year we might have six tight ends drafted in the first two rounds, and that would be the first

time that's happened since nineteen seventy three. So yeah, you know, and especially at the top of those two guys, I think and Joku is going to absolutely blow up the combine. And I think it's gonna put a further separation between and Joku in that twenty eighth pick. I think he's

gonna be long gone. Yeah. See. The thing about it too is Howard will compete to Howard will go out there and there'll be two guys going at it and you, and then when we get there, and when we get to the we have our shows, all of a sudden we'll be talking about, well, hey, what do you think? And then you're mentioned about the tight the other tight ends. And that's not to say that the other tight ends won't be you know, won't be just talked about just

as much. And that's the thing is, that's the reason not to take one of these guys high, because it is a deep tight end class. So in Evan ingram A, Bucky Hodges, John new Smith, Gerald Everett, the kid from South Alabama, you can get these guys second, third, fourth rounds, and there they might not be as good as a Howard or in Joku, they're still pretty darn good tight ends. I can imagine somebody somewhere is just like, the Cowboys don't need tight end and stop talking about this. So

I'm gonna I'm gonna move on, move on, Sean. This is a tricky question. The wording I mean, Sean. He basically wants to know you think about the positions of need that we're thinking about here, pass rusher, wide receiver, cornerback, safety, safety. Sure, of all of the positions that you think the Cowboys need, which one do you think sets up to where it wouldn't be surprising to see them pass in the first round.

So what I'm trying to say is a position that you really don't feel good about a prospect being there at twenty eight, we just say tight end. I would say tight end. Yeah, I think Howard and Jokeu are both gone, and you know it's too rich for a butt or these other guys, So I think you know, okay, let's just let's talk about the top five needs at this point. I mean, you're looking at pass rusher, you're right, corner,

you're looking at tight end. Probably safety's in there, depending on what moves are made here in the off season, and then wide receiver maybe so, uh, you know, I think tight end probably would make the most sense there, and then after that maybe wide receiver. So, you know, looking two guys on two guys on all, did you feel good at twenty eight picking White? Yeah, Travis White or Sidney Jones at twenty eight? Yeah? I think so, see okay, and I feel fantastic about the thoughts thought

of a good corner being there at twenty eight. Yeah, it just seems so loaded. Uh do you and I know Brian feels the same way about pass Rusher or you You've said that in the Yeah, I think. So do you feel that way? Like, do you think there's a really good chance that a guy that you like will be there at twenty eight? Yeah? I do. Pass rusher is just so loaded. I mean, you can go. I mean, let's see any first round grades I have at first at pass rushing. We talked about McKinley, potentially

I have ten first round grade. Yeah, pass rusher, and so there's a great chance when he's got you know, like carl Lawson loss, Yeah, I think he could be there, tack McKinley. I think Taco Charlton probably goes top twenty five. But Tim Williams with his issues. See Tim Williams is the one I absolutely love, and I hate the fact that he has all these red flags right that, because to me, you watch Tim Williams play at Alabama, you you're like, WHOA, I get it, speed, explosiveness, finish, just

all around game right there. But the fact that he's got so many red flags right there's I don't think there's any way the Cowboys can take him, not after after Gregory. There's no way. Yeah, no way they could take because this is a legitimate top ten, top fifteen type of player in this draft. So if he's availed about twenty eight, there's a reason for that. Sure, So you know, I don't they can't fall in that trap again. Oh, they won't fall there, he said, I mean you said tack,

you said losson Tim Taco anybody else? Charles Harrison Missouri, Missouri. Yeah, I think he's in the in that smooth Maybe are you having the third? I have more of a two three on him. Derek Barnett a guy who isn't gonna wow with his You know, his tape is amazing, but he's in it. The production's outstanding, But I don't think he's gonna wow with the you know, the testing drills at the combine. I don't think he falls to twenty eight, but you never know. I didn't think Byron Jones would fall.

Would you take him a twenty eight? Because I had people Barnette, Yeah, I had people on Twitter asked me about him. I don't gonna make it that far. But if he somehow he did, absolutely I need to rewatch him. I didn't have a good I didn't have a good view of him initially. I and I'm watching other I'm watching tackles play. I was watching some offensive tackles and all of a sudden he was one of how the tapes are cut, you know, he all of a sudden

he's busting by one of these tackles. I'm going, Oh, that's Barnett. I have people like trying to compare him and Garrett because of the production and trying to tell me Barnett's better, and I mean it's not even close to me, Miles. Garrett's head and shoulders above the bend. I'm talking about though? Is that the question I think people some people think I don't like Barnett. I love him.

If he's there twenty eight. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I just note David Dane, this is a very Cowboys centric question, So I apologize, but I think it's worth talking about just in the grand scheme of things. We've talked about it a lot. I apologize, Brian, but the Lyle Collins saga sure talk a lot about the problem. I mean, what happens to Leary? Do you try to keep Leary here? Does he leaving free agency? Do you consider playing Lyle to Collins at right tackle, and you know, as his

long term future? And I think that's important because if any of that were to happen, guard suddenly becomes somewhat of a problem for you. Sure, And so I mean, do you do you what do you see happening there? Do you think there's even any anything there at all? I don't. I think this is crystal clear. I think he's going to play guard. I think Ron Leary's going

to get a sizeable contract offer from somebody else. I think Lyle Collins's skill set suits him really well to be a very powerful and athletic guard rather than a decent tackle. And I think you still have Jazz Green waiting. And yeah, they're not they're not they're they're saying that they're not interested right now in talking about that is I mean, we asked Steven Stephen Jones at and they're not interested right now. Of addressing it now, I will

say this, They have not met as a staff. They're the coaches are due back after the Tuesday after the super Bowl, and so they will have their personal meetings to talk about their team. But I think in due time we will hear. Okay, hey, Lyle Collins could be this or could be Jerry. I had Jerry Jones tell me he is not interested. And this was a while back. Was not interested in moving Lyle Collins to tackle. He

just was not interested at all. I don't think they should, although I will say and last thing on this until we have more information, I guess, but I mean, people don't want to hear it because of all the defensive needs on this team. But if Lyle was to move to right tackle, guard becomes a need probably and if you keep him at guard, I mean tackle guards in this draft, tackle is a sneaky need on this team. Oh, tackle too. You can't count on Chad's green, I mean,

and Doug's got a year left on his deal. Yeah, Dane told us that he's often injured, and he was absolutely right. He's been two years, he's been hurt two years. I don't know how you sit there and think that it's gonna change you hope. But offensive lineman when they get in the league, they're not supposed to get hurt. Yeah, they play, They play eight ten years and they just play. They just keep playing. They don't do I mean, they don't. You know, Miss Frederick hasn't missed his snap since yeah

got on the field. They don't. They don't. They don't sit there and don't stand next to you and I. During practice, Chads Green spent more time on the training table at Florida that he did on the field. That's in Shane, So I don't. And he's got talent. You could see that when he plays. He was worth a third round pick in terms of talent in my opinion, But I you know, when you factor in the durability,

that's tough one to swallow. I don't think it's time to close the door on him yet, but I would not be surprised and I don't think it would be a bad idea for the Cowboys to draft an offensive lineman in the first half of the draft. Bulls kid interest you from Utah at all? Not really. I think he's gonna bulls McDermott, any of those guys. I'm not a McDermott fan at all. I don't think he has the anchor strength to hold up. I think Miles Garrett

showed exactly all of his weaknesses. Moten was the guy that you like. I like Molten quite a bit. Yeah, I think you know this tackle class, there's a lot of holes. Ramsick the Wisconsin kid. I think you need to watch. We go high in the first round, but yeah, second third round, not a lot of death that you like. But Molten's definitely want to see. I wanted to like Banner and you talk me out of that. I watched him. He's slow footed, You're right, I mean that's he's a

guard for me. Yeah, oh really, you know it's just a big body who you know it? I don't know. I just I don't. I have questions about him, but I think the more I watched him live, the more unlike Danes, right, I should listen to Dane more. Okay, We're thanks everybody out there on Twitter for snish your questions coming back when we get to the Draft show, coming back from the the from the break, we're going to get into a game because what I call this

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a little game here. Oh, it's a game because you don't keep score, but it's always fun to make you think out. They always like to try and think outside the box a little bit. So everybody loves comparisons. So I don't like this game because we're getting ready to trash one of my pet cats. Right to start this thing, Go ahead, we're talking about all right, So we're comparing last year's aspects to guys in this year's class. So knowing full well, who would you rather have? Who would

you rather have? And just take it as take it as don't look at the NFL season, but take it as who would you rather have at the time of the draft, who would you rather have? So we just forget what we know last how many months? Yeah, you know, on the draft? On the draft, good luck blocking that out of your right. It's always tough to do that. But give it a go, Okay, give it a go. Right, Who would you rather have Old miss receiver Laquon Treadwell

or Clemson receiver Mike Williams. That's a good one. That's a very good question. I think we all three of us loved Treadwell. We did like so much, and I still big big receivers. Both of them are big receivers. Both of them make plays down the field, both make plays underneath. We're in a little bit of a disadvantage

because we don't know what Mike Williams. Mike Williams goes and runs a four or four nine, then he'll be faster, much faster, because we thought, we thought Treadwell would have problems with the forty times right, and he was in the low four or the high four or five, low four, fives, four, five, seven, something like that. So if you know, if Mike Williams goes out and you know, improves on that time, I

think I'd probably lean that way. With Mike Williams, what he brings to the field, I think he god, I mean, treadwill was just so good on tape, though, going to getting football. It's just a big body guy. Either those Williams. I mean, you watch Williams that National Championship game. He's killing those guys with Alabama. Unbelievable. Yeah, there are guys that will consistently separate on their own. You know, they're more h They're comfortable with the defender on their back.

You know they can they can still be a productive I think based on I think, uh, Mike Willims a little bit more speed, and I think I'd probably lean that way. I think you'd lean towards the speed too. I think I think just the quicker guy. This is in and out of route. I y'all are right, but I'm gonna stick with Kwon just kind of loyalty because I just I can't abandon him that quickly after how much I left him. Yeah, I think the main factor between the two is the quickness. That's where I think

them the main differences. Who would you rather have Ohio State cornerback Eli Apple or Ohio State cornerback Marshawn Lattimore. I think, good question. I probably try it to scame personally. I have Marshawn Lattimore. I keep saying Marcus Latimore. I've got to make sure Marshawn Lattimore. I have him with a much higher grade than I had on Eli Apple. And I liked Apple, I didn't. I liked Apple more than you did, much more than I did. But and he played well for the job well, I gotta take

that out of my mind. But I had Apple was more of amid the late First. You know a guy that you consider somewhere in the top twenty, top twenty five, you end up going what ten, so a lot higher than you know either of us thought. But I've got a Lottimore as a true top ten pick. I got you know that athleticism is off the charts. That's actually and it worked against you on the last one because Treadwell had such a bad rookie year. I thought Apple's play as a rookie was far better than what I

saw from him on tapes. Yeah, I thought the Ohio State I thought the Ohio State tape was not great for no And I think that Lattimore's tape is. Yeah. So I agree with Dane. I think if you just watching the two on Ohio State tape, I would take Lattimore over Apple. Yet Lattimore, I mean, he's like a consensus tip ten pick where. I mean, that's why I think so if he was in the last year's class, he would be over all those guys, the Florida guys, and he wouldn't be over Ramsey. I don't think he'd

be over Robin not probably not over Ramsey. Who would you? And this is great because I think this is two guys that you don't like, So that's good. Who would you rather have? Notre Dame offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley or Alabama offensive tackle Cam Robinson Stanley. I don't think this one's even that hard. Honestly, you'd rather have, you know that, have Stanley over Robinson? I would. I had my problems with Stanley. M boy, I had a lot of problems, but I and I'm not. I'm not. I don't know

if Cam Robinson's a first round tackle. Y'all were Ronnie Hayters last year? Yeah, I didn't like Ronnie Ronnie Stanley as high as he went, um boy, I thought he was soft adn't fight. Yeah, I think Cam Robinson at least fights. Give me. I would take Ronnie Stanley. I think it's pretty that's pretty easy for me. I think I Cam Robinson and maybe I'm buy like a lot

of hype not a lot of substance. I don't Cam Robinson. Yeah, you watch his highlights and okay, but then you watch the full tape and you're like, I don't know if I love this guy. You might not be a first round guy. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying I didn't think Ronnie Stanley was do youaha? Two? Yeah? See I didn't. I just didn't. I just did not see a grind you into the ground guy. And I see that a little bit more with Robertson. You care more about the attitude I do. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see a

mean so ob play. That's what I want. Yeah, you're not wrong. I mean that's what you want in an offensive tackle, especially when you're investing a top ten pick in. Yeah, but Robinson will be interesting because this is such a weak tackle class. Right, He's gonna get bumped up a little bit. So we'll see who would you rather have, Indiana running back Jordan Howard or Tennessee running back Alvin Kamara. I've got a higher grade on Kamara. How do you

block out this? You know, rookie? See, I know, but I think there were some traits that he had Kamara as a run, catch block guy exactly, and so is Howard. I mean, Howard is a guy that if you watched him on Indiana tape, poor Howard would be the toast of the NFL if not for Ezekiel Elliott. Right, I didn't even know until the last month of the season. Why how about Indiana putting out a couple of Coleman

and Howard back to back. Yeah, and both guys that were kind of I don't know Tom or Howard's from UAB or you know, come out of nowhere. So with Howard, he's got a little more power than Kamara, and I think he's more of a true feature back. I mean he can be that guy that can carry the ball twenty plus times. Again, Kamara, I don't think he's that guy. He's never been that guy over his career. I see

more of a complimentary running back. Um. But with that said, I have a higher grade on Kamara than I did Howard. But I think I probably just missed on Howard. I think I would take I think I would take Howard because I kind of liked what I saw from those Indiana running backs. I liked what I saw I loved Cole. That was my guy, and I liked it in a game this Sunday. So I love the run, the run, block, catch guy. Give me that guy, and both these guys do. It's gonna say you just said Kamara can do all

the same stuff. He's five of eight. What is five watching? He's a little light. You were watching tape of him the other day, and he's got some pretty sweet balance. He does have some sweet balance absolutely as a catcher out of the backfield. Yeah, that's gonna be his bread and butter. I think I trend toward younger, newer, So I'm just gonna year younger, new shiny toy. Uh. Who would you rather have Oklahoma State and Emmanuel Ogba or

Illinois Duane Smoot. I'm not as big of a Smoot fan as as you are, so I Ogba would be my cup of tea in that comparison. Um, I think you just love a little bit more to what about when your boy when your boy white Hair just mauled him in that game? My boy white Hair, Yeah he did. Ogba he has power, he has Uh. I think a little bit more, a few more pass rush weapons to work with to beat the tackle. Um. You know, Smoot

is a nice player. I just don't see is there another Is there another guy on the of those defensive ends if I could compare him to somebody else? All right, well, how about or Charlton. I think I'm taking Agba? Okay, I think I am. I didn't like Agba, and I mean he proved me wrong. He had a good year for a bad team. So but I think I think Agba, I think as could play. I think he's a little I can't think he'd play right in. I don't know if Charlton can play right in. That's a tough one. Yeah,

I mean, I really don't these pass rushers are. We're gonna be debating in the rest of the way because this is tough to figure out, especially when you throw in an Agba into the mix. You know where he would fit. It just really makes it complicated. There's so many because pass rush you win in different ways. You know, there's so many different flavors of you know, ways to get to the quarterback. And Aga is a perfect example of that. He's not a true just you know, speed rusher.

He's got a little powers, got Ben do him. Um, And you know with this class, I don't know where he would fit for me. I think somewhere somewhere right a round, Taco Charles. That's why I picked the second round. We had this all those second round guys. Let me first early second, I'm going to derail the game for a second. And I know I know what right ends do. I know why it's important in the scheme of football.

I get all that, but for this team, and I know de Marcus Lawrence is in a contract here for that matter. But with Lawrence and then Mayoa capable of doing that, like do you overvalue the right end? Thing? Like can't you just get a guy who can rush the passer from anywhere? And no that that's that's fair. I mean that's fair, and he plays left end, get to the quarterback. But I always thought de Marcus Lawrence was a better right end. That's how I evaluated, and

coming out of Boise State, I didn't. I didn't. I don't disagree with it. He's had done a nice job at left end. Yeah, so no, I think that's a great eight sacks had a left end. You got eight actually left end and won it, right, I mean, I know there's different circumstances work. I mean, he had Hardy helping him in twenty fifteen. But at some point, just get a guy on the team who can get to the quarterback. And if he does it from left end,

what I mean, let's put it this way. You know, is the tandem of Lawrence and Mayowa better at right end than I mean, if you get Tyrone Crawford some help with a Crawford and if you played David Urban over there, well, I can't remember. Do you like Irving more attacks? I like him at tackled I like him, Yeah, I think they like him more. To end, I don't know they. I can't get anybody to give me an answer. I just get frustrated with the like, well that's not

his best face. Like, just get a guy in here who can rush. Just give me a guy right anyway? Um, who do you who would you rather have? Arkansas tight end Hunter Henry or Miami tight end David and Joku Give me the freak and Joku? Uh both athletes, though right a solid athlete. I think it was a terrible blocker. I thought he was one of the worst blocking tight ends we evaluated, that's for sure. But he has sticky hands,

and he can get open down the field. I think the Charlie good atselves a pretty good tight end in the second round. But and joke, who's just at a different level. And he's by you know, not a perfect player by all. I mean, you're you're really projecting with a guy like this. He's a work on his route, running his hands only a red shirt sophomore, a young player, like I mentioned, twenty years old, so he's not nearly as seasoned as a Hunter Henry was entering the league.

But in terms of upside of potential, gimmeon, Joko, I always want upside of potential. Um, who would you rather have linebacker Ohio State linebacker Darren Lee or Vanderbilt linebacker Zach Cunningham. That's a good one. Where where do you stand on this one? Brian? I love you know me. I love Cunningham and I and I really but I know you loved Lee because the league, because he the playmaking abilities, stuff like right, the ability to run bigger,

taller guy, rangy guy. I love, I love Cunningham, though Cunningham is one of my top five guys overall overall, really, if the seventy guys seventy five guys I've seen Right now, I'm I'm putting I am done quarterback. I mean there's some position I haven't done, but the seventy five guys I've seen, I would put him in my top. I thought I loved Cunningham. I've been talking about him all year,

and I thought I liked him a lot. But there is something about him that that the length, the build, the ability to get to the football, the finish, there's watch him. He came in at number sixteen on my board, so I thought I liked him more than on Oh you're you know you're not alone on this one. You don't, okay, if you would not walk alone on this try. Brian hasn't watched as many guys as you though, so oh, but I've watched seventy five the top guys. So that's

I mean top five. That that's saying you like him? Where do you like? His best fit? Outside? Inside? I like him. I have him on my board as an outside linebacker, Okay, I like I think he puts on a clinic if I had to play the linebacker position. He really does that stop against Georgia to win that game, unbelievable he is always around the football. He is, I mean, and he never comes off the field. You could put him in coverage. He'll actually for a big, tall guy,

he can cover. I think we both agree we'd take him over Lee. Yeah, okay, I just I didn't like Lee that much. I just wanted to say, yeah, no, I know, I remember that from last year. Thank you guy. You do like though? Would you rather have Kansas State offensive lineman Cody white Hair or Ohio State center Pat elf Line? Give me white hair? Give me my white Hair is one of my pet cats last year. I think I had him twenty five overall on my board. He end up falling to the second round and the

Bears got a steal. They put him at center and he had a great rookie year. Oh take that out. No, he was. He was paying my elf Line close to this was a very white hair friendly zone in twenty sixteen. That whole show. So yeah, no, we liked him. I liked the Ohio State Center myself. I like him, I really do, and I and I don't. I don't have him in the first round, him as a second round player, but I think this guy, I think he's got some Travis Frederick traits to him. And I'm not just talking

big ten traits. I'm talking about mobility, second level block snatch guy's position, stand your feet, get outside, they pull him. I mean the ball goes to the outside and here he's he's running around the corner like you know, like impressive. Yeah, and he was a guard his entire career up until a senior season, so I you know he see him in both spots. I agree. I have a two three on elf line. I think he can be a solid

starter in the league. You had a second you had him at the top, so you had a like twenty five you he's had a first round grade then on white hair and white round I did, okay, so I gets the edge for me. Yeah, I don't. I don't hate white hair, but I wish I had hair. But I I you have white hair, I have white hair. But I think, to me, I like the traits of this line elf line guy. I do. I wish I wish he did not. We could have seen him in Mobile and he didn't turn down his his invite, but

unfortunately he did, so Combine will be big for him. Yep. Tally that up real quick. I want to say I think we took the new guy, or y'all took the new guy in five wow, five of eight twenty seventeen. Yeah, the younger player in five of the eight, you took, you took Ronnie Stanley. I think we kind of can consensus on Ogba more so than the other guy, Mike Williams. There was a split between White heron elf line. Yeah, elf Line unanimous for Mike Williams, unanimous for Lattimore. Yeah, Joku, Yeah,

that's fund job. Hey. By the way, too, I know people ask us about the segment we have called tell me More. Yes, we're gonna do that after the combine, when we get there and we have a more idea, I feel like, I mean, yeah, obviously we got the combin we got three more shows and then we got the combay. But yeah, I think that I'd like to get there, no a little bit, maybe see some of these guys a little bit up close and personal, get

the visit with them. By the time the combines over, I feel like we'll have heard all of the pertinent names there are to hear. I mean, for the most part. Yeah, the Dane Brugler special, like the guy from Montana Tech a and m but Brady Gustofs exactly. Oh, no, ask him about ask him about Peter Bateman from Minnesota Duluth. Peter Bateman, the main character from Office Space. Did you watch Peter Bateman from Minnesota Dluth yet? Of course the tight end. No, No, he's I have not seen him.

I've seen him. Oh, he got him? Have you watched him? Who is he? He's he's a tackle. He's a tackle. That's mind. Why have you watched him? See? No? No, you know what I was doing. I was just curious. I was just trying to get a little bit more depth in my in my board, and I wanted to look at a guy and he's a fifth round tackle Minnesota Duluth, Peter Bateman. Yeah, you might hate him. He's a little at two hundred and ninety pound guy. You know,

how are you exactly all right? Can't before we get out of here, I'm gonna put you on some I'm put pressure on you. We have one call. We have one call? All right, right, Versa, thank you so much. Everybody's doing great, San Antono. Who we got ahead? Go ahead, Mike quick question? Where does Jalen Smith go in this draft? If he never got injured, and I'll take your call. Thank you very much. Excellent question. Decorum. First of all, um, Yeah, that's that's exactly how its needs to be done. Just

ask the question. We move on. I mean, if he's if he's completely healthy and he's in this draft, that's the quest. I mean, probably number two on my board, yeah, mine, Miles Garrett. I think I don't think he drops too far. Yeah, I think he I think he's he's top five. Yeah, I mean I think you have to take him where you took Ezekiel Elliott. I really do. I don't think you. I don't think you can. I don't think you could

go any further past that. So, you know, the Cowboys, if this all works out, you know if if if, if the big if, if the big if work works out. But you gotta remember on their board too, he was there, number five, number five. Yeah, he was their fifth best player, Elliott. This way the board went Elliott Ramsey to soul Bosa Smith. That was her top. That was her five guys, with Miles Jack my guy, being number six. All right, that's all the time we have today for the draft show.

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