Draft Show: Senior Bowl Standouts

It feels like it's been a lifetime. I think that'll happen when you disappear to the Senior Bowl and then there there's a snowstorm. In reality, it's only been a week since we've been together. Welcome back to the Draft Show. I'm David Hellman. I'm joined by Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us, and the newly engaged Kyle Yeoman. Yeah. I saw the picture. It looks like she said yes she did. Yeah, thank you. That would have been awkward. I just will take you

behind the curtain. I just I'm glad this all worked out for you, man, because the whole time we were in Mobile, I think we had four flight changes and had to change cities to get the hell out of there with all the weather in Dallas, and the whole time, Kyle was like, slung as I'm back by Sunday morning, just I have an important obligation on Sunday, a thing. I'm sitting there like, I just want to go drink with Jeff. Yeah. We pulled that off on Sunday. Yeah,

so glad it worked out for y'all. You were making life altering decisions. We were having some Miller lights, which that's good. The Draft Show is brought to you by Miller Light. But congratulations, Kyle, that's awesome than you. And now I'll do my best Brian impression, say yo, yeah, yo, let's let's get to the draft. Get along. No, did anybody trying to talk you out of it? No? No, not ye Brian, don't don't, don't, don't do it now,

don't do it, Brian. He's got a bit where it's everybody's best friend's job to tell them not to get married, and it's you let the man be happy for a second. No, I mean you have to as a friend, you have to say just to ask, right, you have to ask, because that's a definition of a true friend. Again, another true friend will not ask another one to help him move. Yeah, that's another fuddy, the older I get the truer that rings. Yeah, my back can't congratulations, I asked him. I asked him, Well,

thank you. We're good. Yeah, we were. We had a lot of fun. It was a great day and got to celebrate which with a bunch of people afterwards. So lots of fun. She's happy, I'm happy. Everybody's happy. And yeah, nobody tried to talk me out of it. So maybe I don't have any for you don't have any friends, And well maybe that's the case, so you have to ask Jeff. Yeah, well maybe just a man just figured out he doesn't have any friend, don't have any friends.

I guess he's different kinds of friends. Maybe we just maybe no, maybe everybody just feels that good about this. I'm hoping that's probably that's what it is. That well, we're all very happy for you. Thank you. Enough of this sentimental Yeah, let's talk draft. Let's get to the Senior Bowl. We're all back. Kyle and I were there. You guys had a front row seat on NFL Network just like everybody else. So I just want to do

this first segment. We kind of previewed it. We had some guys we wanted to keep an eye on, just go around big impressions obviously. I mean there's gonna be risers and followers. Guy Faller is follower a work guys that stood out to you, Brian, I want to start with you, because again I'm always fixated on the Cowboys, and so honestly, these quarterbacks I did. Yeah, they don't mean anything to me because I know none of them

are going to wear a Cowboys uniform. But with as many first round prospects as we're there, I do think it's worth talking about just in the sense of that is going to help shape the first round. And I'm curious for your thoughts. Yeah, No, I actually thought that when you watch these quarterbacks play, you know, and I'm one of these guys that I understand what Korl is

from Mississippi. I like willis, you know, from Liberty. Those are like my top two guys and then I'm kind of trying to sort out with what how and pick it and Strong and Ritter And I think the Senior Bowl did a really good job at two with with Zappy there as well, that they you know that you got to see these guys throw the ball live in practice. You got to see him actually playing the game. You know, they divide it up you depending on how many reps

and stuff you get. But I really do feel like the how kid from North Carolina helped himself in this game, I really do. I think there's a lot of people sleeping on him right now, but if you watch the way that he played, and in this league, we all watched the game, so we understand that the mobility of the quarterback is important, and I thought with him, he did a great job of avoiding the rush, keeping eyes downfield,

making good throws. You know, those are the types of things that I think that you can you could take from this and say, oh, okay, this is why this kid is this. And you know the thing I'll go back with with a guy like Zappy say, you know, from him, you can see if you watch the Western Kentucky tape, as good as he was throwing the foot ball and how accurate he is, he doesn't have the arm strength of the other guys. You can clearly see

that watching him playing. I'm not talking about the final play, the Hail Mary and all that stuff like that, but overall, when you watch him throw the ball, it is clearly different than the other quarterbacks. So I think, overall, though, you kind of got a good idea of how some of these guys are gonna look and how they're gonna play, how they're gonna take to pro coaching through the practices,

and then what you saw with the game. So the line coming out of Mobile is that And this is just a general statement, but the overall vibe I'm getting is that people view Kenny Pickett as maybe the safest guy that was there. Do you think that's fair or do you think it's howell? You know what? To me?

Pick It probably in a lot of people's minds. I just think that going in there was a lot of people that thought very highly of how and then the season at North Carolina didn't go like it was supposed to.

But all of a sudden, no, you're in a situation where, you know, if you watch his tape of North Carolina and you watch all his throws and stuff like that, I mean, you see a guy that's got the arm talent, that could stand on the left hash, throw it all the way to the right sideline, make plays, mobility, all those things. I just feel like that he was a guy that people kind of forgot about and now he's

kind of back in the picture. But Picket's a guy too that I mean again, it just we always talk about the ice cream, you know, it's just the flavor. You like me personally, though, I think I wish Corral wouldn't have gotten hurt at the in the Bowl game because I think he would have been at the Senior Bowl and you've got to seeing him as well. And and but the quarterbacks had got the opportunity to participate,

I thought, I thought held up very very well. I think there was and I completely agree with the fact on Sam how kind of elevating himself through the game through practices, I felt like he kind of got lost in the shofle with some of the ooze and the awes of Malik Willis and what he was able to do because his arm strength was on full display, because he's always been known for that mobility, that running a type. He had some zip on the ball. Every time it left his hands, it was it was on point. He

had the accuracy. Sam How never had that same kind of moxie to him in practice, but then he came to the game and just dealed in the middle of Saturday. He's when you watch him throw in Again, we're getting into quarterbacks here and stuff to me, but you watched the way he stands in the pocket and throws. It's really an overhand throwing motion. I mean it's not you know, these quarterbacks in day and age, we've seen the ones we've evaluated. They're all can sling it around guys and

stuff like that. This isn't over the top thrower is what this guy is. And you know, I've always kind of felt like him not getting to watch a lot of North Carolina practice and stuff. I'm sure if you were scouting and you went to Chapel Hill and you sat down and said, oh, Okay, maybe he's not a great practice player, maybe he's not this or that or the other. But I think when you watch him play in the game, I mean, all these quarterbacks have those has traits that you're kind of like, Okay, if I

draft this guy, this is what I'm gonna get. And I think it was a good week for all these guys. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm worried about Strong's knee. You know, the kid from out there out and we're always such a bummer with the medicals. Well I'm but but that's yeah, but that's something to dislocated thumb. Thumb? Did he have to picket with his gloves too? Right? Yeah? Yeah, the gloves And now can you hold a ball like this? It's hard. I don't know.

He does a pretty good job of it, but yeah, I mean to the heisman ceremony that way. Yeah, that's true. I think I think the thing was strong. I think when you really really dig in on him, that knee

is going to be a problem. And he talked about it at the at the at the game that it's something that where he has detached cartilage and from the bone and stuff like that, and he's you know, he didn't wear a brace, and you know, there's a lot I mean, there's people that if you like him, you're gonna have to kind of put some of the medical stuff aside for him as well real quick, because there's

plenty of other guys we want to get to. But I feel like I talked too long about But that's it's fascinating to me because the idea going into Senior Bowl week was like these quarterbacks are like mid round picks and even then you might be overdrafting. Reminds me of Mac Jones, Like he wasn't a consensus first rounder when he got to Mobile. Then there's smoke that he's going to go as high as two. Then he settles into fifteen. So did any of these guys change that outlook?

I mean, I can just I can imagine how really climbing up the draft boards. I the only one I have in the first round is Corral, and then point on it's willis how pick it? And then even lower than that strong ritter and then Zappie. That's kind of the order that I had them right now. But Corral is my only top first round type of the one guy we didn't see this week. You know, Jeffrey, what happened? What else stood out to you from Senior Bowl week?

Who'd you like? Who didn't you like? Uh? Okay, I'm gonna those guys I like, and one of them is Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn. Because I like to pay attention when they do the measurements because I know what NFL teams do, and so there's gonna be NFL teams that don't like Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn. Why because he's got tiny arms. He's got the t Rex thing going on, so his arms are like twenty nine in chains. So he won't be here. Yeah, he

won't be here. But first mentioning a good Yeah, he goes to a big school. True. But because I had watched his tape like right after the measurements, and I was like, all right, let's see what this tiny arm guy is about. And what the tiny arm guys about is being better at covering than anyone else in the class. Ye, It's like you can't get away from him. He's the sticky cover guy that plays press man with his twenty nine inch arms in the SEC on the outside. And

Roger McCreary's a baller. I would not be surprised if he goes in the first round. I would not hate if he were a cowboy. But I know how the NFL works, and I think there's a lot of teams are gonna look at him just be like Nope, not for us, because he's a sub six foot, short armed guy. But just throwing that name out there, Roger McCreary's a baller. I'll tell you what this got. This kid nailed, and I'll tell you what's even more impressed. And I don't

let Kyle get into this as well. This kid, when you watch him play in the red zone, he doesn't give up anything in the red zone. And I watched Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU. He's not giving up anything to these guys. And I think that's the thing. You could talk about short arms and all that, but where he has short arms, he has really good feet, almost great feet, you know, the way he's able to move and react and things like that.

So yeah, if he if you talk about fourth first round corners, he's right there in that mix with our guy at Cincinnati, LSU and Auburn. I think he's right in that mix with those guys. I like him a lot too. I had him as in like an early early second round grade. But he's probably my number three corner on my list of guys that I've watched so far.

I watched that LSU game, but the Alabama game was the one that I really was impressed with because he was going up against Williams on one play and then met Gie on the other play, and every single time he was traveling. He was not stuck on one side of the field. He traveled. He has versatility to play outside, he can play in the slot, and like Jeff said, he is so sticky. He's in the hip pocket of every single receiver no matter what the route tree has

to deal with. And he's so fluid and doing so. You mentioned footwork. That was one of the things that I had I had bolded was his footwork is almost phenomenal. You can't be a sticky man cover player if you don't have great feet. No, you just can't. You can't have slow feet, you can't react. I mean, your feet can get you out of a lot of a lot of problems. And again, I think both these guys got

the player absolutely right. The overall theme of the week seems to be that the defensive line talent and mobile was otherworldly, and I think I agree. I mean, Jermaine Johnson kind of speaks for himself. Y'all talk about it if you want. I mean, he he took Thursday off. I just think that that that basically says everything you need to know. He whooped everybody so bad that he was like, I think I'm done here. I don't I don't think Jermaine Johnson and I'm only speaking for me,

like I don't think his tape was overwhelming. Yeah, I didn't have him as a first round guy watching him on tape, and then you go to the Senior Bowl and you know, my, how high do you think he climbed with this? Or how much do you think he helped himselves? Teens or twenties? Okay, yeah, and I think watching him, I was like, okay, like that's a nice

built dude. But most of the times, if you're gonna ask about his sack production, and when he made his best plays, it was rushing people down the middle as a two hundred and sixty pounder like straight arm or through the chest or I managed to swipe hands and run around. But like, he's not a bendy guy, but he's a pretty strong run player whose pass rush plan is pretty much swat hands and run and not bend but swat hands and run or run down the middle.

And like that's not a very diverse rush plan. So I'm like, okay, that's like a second round d n see what he turns into. And then the Senior Bowl, it's like, wait, he has eighty three pass rush moves, and yeah, he can bend and he's quicker than everybody else. There was one drill where they were going in the rectangle with the pads uptight, and he was the last one to go out of the edge rushers and I

was like, okay, it's a smart playing. Yeah, we're making mental notes, and he just kind of rolling and then he went and I swear if I would have had a stop watch, it would have been twice as fast. And the form, the footwork, the moves. You mentioned that he somehow added to his arsenal in the four weeks where he wasn't playing football at the collegiate level. But he looks like a bottom half first round talent show. We all love we all love the yeah, exactly. We

all love these Georgia defensive linemen. Right, this kid was part of the Georgia defensive lineman. He was part of that group, so they were kind of buried on the depth chart. Yeah, and then he said, well, I'll go to Florida State and I'll be their best defensive players in Florida States. Had a lot of issues there, but you know, I'll see you something about the kid. Jeff talked about the pass rush stuff. He's really plays the

run very very well. There was times in the North Carolina game where they tried to double team him and he's like, nah, I'm not having any of this. You know, able to kind of get through those and get in on the ball and stuff like that. That's tough when you have a player that's playing that hard every single week and they're getting beat but you consistently see him throughout the game and he doesn't look like he's beat

down by the whole scoreboard and all that. It just reminds me of a guy like Ron Leary when I watched him play that, Like you know, when he was when in Memphis. He was getting just beat down every single game and played hard. And you know there's something about that for a kid when it's not great on the scoreboard and they're still out there busting their ass. Can I take you another place with the defensive line? Yeah, hell yeah, there's there. We're not gonna get to all

of them. There's like ten of them because so many of the defensive tackles stood out well, I think numb. Sorry, if you're not going to bring him up, I at least just need to say the name Perry on Winfrey, like, Yeah, he just dominated Senior Bowl MVP two sacks. Kyle wrote about him. You can go read it on the site. Just dominated the Wednesday practice. Another guy who's I figured

that's who you weren't gonna bring up. Well, I was just gonna more even as an overarching Cowboys topic, because what I would like to get out there with the draft is on this team right now, you probably need a nose tackle one technique, a big boy space eatery more than you need the free technique athlete tech pass. Yeah, and so like a guy like Travis Jones jumped out at me Connecticut seven pounds, this is going to be an interesting study. And he's a good player on tape

two like he is. He's a space eater that can stay in there versus double teams and verse single teams. He's gonna walk into the quarterback m I thought he was a Day two guy on tape and he helped himself in mobile. So he probably goes in the second round. Wow, Guys like um and I could be crazy because aga, I think I'm not staring at everybody's rankings. If I'm I'm telling you what I saw, and if I'm wrong. Whatever, I've got a chance to be really wrong about this guy.

Don't like him. No, the problem I have. And maybe I was having a bad day watching tape. Yeah it's your fault. Maybe Sometimes it was like maybe one thirty in the morning and I was still watching tape. I to me, and only two games I had were Yale and Houston. And for some reason, I'm like, I didn't think that blockers had a very difficult time with him.

I had a Clemson game. I can send you, Okay, was he all over the place in the Clemson game because you have a problem with any of their blocks, see, But that, to me, it was one of those things where like, you know, the ball went by him in the running game several times, and I was and I was really surprised to hear how well he was playing at the Senior Bowl. And I'm like, man, I wonder if this is the same guy because he's a you know, when the numbers you say he's a six four or

three hundred and thirty pound guy. But you know, I mean there was I didn't see nearly enough where I mean, we've seen some of these big defensive linements. Okay, I watched this Neil Farrell from LSU, and I'm watching Neil Farrell basically the same height weight and he's moving around all over the place and getting in the backfield and stuff. So maybe I need to watch the Clemson game, but

I didn't. I was glad to hear that Travis Jones at least had a really good week of practice, because I didn't feel like the tape that I watched was good enough for him to make me feel like, oh wow, if you need a one technique, you know, and by the way, your guy from Oklahoma who plays as that head up knows they're gonna look at him as a three. Yeah, yeah, well that's and I didn't think his tape was good,

but I thought he is today three guy. And then he destroyed the Senior Bowl and I'm like, okay, what do I do? Like how far can you move a guy up based on a week of practices? And the answer for me was I moved him up pretty significantly. Yeah. See, there's there's a couple of these guys, like I say him, Jones, you know, I mean you're gonna you're gonna have to go back and dig on some tape. I mean, you're gonna have to find it and you're not gonna make

stuff up, like, oh, I'm now making this up. You know, if you see the guy will for what he is, he is probably what he is. Your first look at him is probably what he is. And I wanted to touch on another thing, like that's the big boys, which I think is the bigger cowboy need. But the other thing I would want to get out there is, don't think three technique should be off the table now because

like the Bengals, he's not what he was. But like when they had Gino Atkins Chris Jones for the Chiefs, like, those are your three techniques, those are your game changers. We get I think cowboy fans and us you get so familiar with this roster that you're like, oh Osa did some nice things. Yeah, and oh man Neville Gallimore not bad, He's okay. Yeah. If you think that, say DeVante Wyatt, Georgia. That's so I was going to get off the draft class at you tackle if you think

he can be a real life difference maker. Yeah, it doesn't matter that you have Tristan Hill Devil Gallimore, which well, I'm glad you brought up Wyatt because to me when you start talking about you watch Georgia play and it's clear. I mean, and I know Jordan Davis is a big man and all that, but man, it's like whyat is off the ball like all those guys, all those defensive linemen for Georgia come off the ball. But I mean, he's like the first one with the initial quickness and stuff,

and that's that's what helps him. I mean, he the movement, the way, the initial quickness they use him on, twist stunts and things like that. There's a lot of things that you can do with Wyatt from Georgia to help your to help your scheme before we go to break, I did, did y'all have a chance to watch my If I have a pet cat coming out of Senior Bowl week? As long as we're on this topic, it's probably a Tito Obonia out of UCLA. I thought he was really impressive and like along in the line of

what y'all are talking about with Travis Jones, he's massive. Yeah, he's six three three twenty six and I think he could play both positions like I mean, he he gave your boy's eye on Johnson all he could handle. I'm just saying a couple guys gave Zion Johnson that then, oh you mean the offensive lineman of the week from his team. Yeah, kind of you guys are saying, no,

no, no no, no, actually get beat up. I did want he I thought I thought he built as the week went along, Like I texted you, he was on the ground a lot on Tuesday and as the week when there. As the week went along, I thought he got better. There's got a there's got to be like at least six d tackles that really help themselves out last week.

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into it. Uh my buddy, Joe, Hey Joe, how you doing? Uh? A lot of talk about left guard at pick twenty four. I think, going back to the first segment, the two names we've heard the most of Kenyon Green out of Texas and m Zion Johnson out of Boston College. Obviously probably early to know if both of those guys are right for that range, but he wants a comparison between the two. How you feel about those guys. I think Green at A and M to me is a higher

ceiling guy. And Brian hates these words. He's not sure what they mean. I'm not sure what you're talking about now, but Green between the flexibility like another conversation. But with Kenyan Green, the A and M guy, he's my number one guard. One of the things that jumps out immediately is literally his stance, like he is so comfortable for a three hundred and twenty pound or whatever guy with

knee bend and with using that to generate power. So like, I think Kenyan Green is the more powerful player that might have the better tools. And I think Zion Johnson is like everything in my notes is just good, good, good, good, good, good good good, and it's just like that's him. He's just a rock solid player. They both played multiple positions, so I think both of them are stepping starters at guard. And I'm a big Zion Johnson fan. I would not

have a problem at twenty four picking him. Kenyan Green I'd be excited to pick at twenty four. Yeah, I think Jeff has got the players right. I'll tell you what I think with Kenyon Green, you have a guy that's a little bit more confident on sitting down on his guy when he when he has to deal with a power player. And I think that's something Jeff hit it with the knee bin and the balance and the strength and all that. The thing I worry about Zion

Johnson a little bit. I don't think he completely trust himself just to sit down on his guy. And I mean because he's just a really if you had to tell me, I think Johnson's actually a better athlete, and I think Green's a better power player. Yes, when I look at the two and if you said, I can you're a cowboy fans screaming for the better power player right now. Well, if you're Pion, Johnson's the best sustainer I've seen it Guarden years hands on someone. Yeah, it

doesn't he does not fall off. Yeah, I mean they didn't happen. They both mean. I'm not seeing it. Zion Johnson doesn't have power because you could see in the running game he'll get some movement. But I think that I think that Kenyon Green is the guy that that because one of my favorite things is like he plays to the echo of the whistle like theyre's still like they're like, you know, they've blown the whistle and he's still like driving a guy over a pile or something

like that. And I want I kind of like that about him, I really really do. And and but nothing against Johnson. I just think that Green's a more powerful player, and I think Johnson's a little bit better athlete. You guys are spot on because you you bring up the strength of Green and his lower body is just nuts to me. I mean, I think his his balance is not need though you're noticed him on the side he turns his knees turn in just a little bit. Yeah, and you're kind of like, I go, man's a funny

lower body there. Yeah, but it's strong. But he is strong. He's strong, and he's really thick in the lower body. The thing about Zion Johnson that I think will be evaluated over and over again that I really like is one, like you said, the confidence level. This is a guy who got to Boston College after playing at Davidson. I mean, he was playing with a press box that's no bigger than what the podcast studio is it that we're in right now, Brown's House in the end zone. I don't

even know if they could that guy at Golden State. Yeah, that's true. They found that guy from Stephan Curry from Davidson. True, but he played three seasons there, got to Boston College and immediately was a starter, immediately played really well and was the best offensive guard potentially in the ACC, maybe in the country. And if that's not enough for me to build his confidence, I don't know what could be.

It's just it's just the thought. Again, that's just my thought of Like I said, I think that the guy. I think he's got enough strength and enough power. I just don't know. I mean, to me, I thought this guy was going to come out last year, and then he went back and then and I was kind of like, oh, okay, he played better. He played better. He sure did. I'll be honest, I went into this question assuming I would come out of it and just like, yeah, Green is

the much better option. But I'm hearing a lot of zion love. It's an ice cream thing. I honestly, I don't think. I don't these guys, right, I don't think you could go wrong with either one of these guys. I really really don't. I think that if you plug them in and play, you're going to be really happy. And I know that the things that Jerry Jones covets when he starts talking about protecting the front of that pocket,

both these guys can do that. But I think Green would be a little bit better at it than Johnson was. Real quickly, sorry, Dave, Is there any question on the scheme fit for both of these guys? Because I feel like Green could fit into any scheme he's placed into and can play both guard positions, potentially could work out to right tackle, whereas Johnson, on the other hand, I think is pretty limited. And they tried him at center, but I don't know if that's going to be a

long term answer. Do you feel that way anyway as long as you're playing. If you're talking about playing them both at guard, then I don't think either one has any limitation. So I don't think both of them are really good zone blockers Zion. Johnson's great on the move left or right. I love how he gets to the second level. Yeah, so I think no, I think both of them fit fine. Kenyan Green the bonuses. If somebody quits your team or something and it's like, hey, we

need a insert offensive line position, he'd go, I've played that. Ye, there you go. Yeah, he played left tackle against Alabama and it wasn't bad. Yeah, right tackle against Kent State. That's fun to watch. Yeah, all I need to know, all right, Bob, Bob, Bob Bliss wants to know you feel better losing Randy Gregory if you have George Karloftis out of Purdue, David Dajabo out of Michigan, or Jermaine Johnson out of Florida State. If you if you come away from the first round with one of those guys,

can you tolerate losing Randy gregor give me Karloftis. If you're going to pick a guy, why, I kind of feel like to me with him, he could play him at really at both spots. And again, this whole thing

with position flex, I'm I've had enough of it. But this guy will, I mean, because what he can do is he's super impressive with the way I mean, the technique that he plays with because he is going to not he's going to rush to the level of the quarterback there's a lot of these guys, these young rushers, that they get way too deep. He goes flying by the guy. He never gets a hand. He always seems to like the swat, the swim, the rip, the pull. All that stuff is getting him to the level of

the quarterback. And when you get to the right spot, you're going to find a way to make a lot of plays. And this guy's got to burst and he can redirect. I mean, there's a lot of positive things about him. I talk about the double team blocks a lot of times. He he's going to see his share of those, and they but they were they knew where he was. I mean Notre Dame in Iowa. When I

was watching those games. They knew where he was on the field, and they tried to double teammate and this guy was still making plays because of his smarts and the technique. I would be totally on board having a rusher like this guy. Yeah, Randy Gregory's staying so I agree. I'm totally down with drafting another one. I agree with you. But that wasn't the question. Maybe it won't be maybe it'll be somebody else that's not here. Well, don't ask

that question. Gregory's gonna be here now. Maybe you are missing a different edge guy for some reason, and you could use an edge guy. Hate this conversation, but um yeah, of course you would feel better if you had a first round caliber player to replace them. So do you have a do you have a preference on those three? I have not studied Ojabo yet. Karloftis over Johnson pretty comfortably for me. Yeah, I wentfis is just one of those heavy handed, can't stop, won't stop offensive lineman. Just

can't sustain on him because he's just BAM. I feel like, from what I know about him that that would almost be like a coup to get in that range of the draft, you know, like something would have well, but he can kind of feel if I'm wrong, really you could have Hutchinson. He's not like Tho and Trayvon Walker. And maybe somebody takes Jermaine Johnson. Maybe he's a fifth edge off to Ando Jabo. Maybe he's a sixth edge.

He's not like a freak a zoid bendy guy though, right, No, he will not test grate And that's that's kind of my point. Man. I just watched a couple of weeks ago. I disagree. I mean, I think, yeah, to me, this I just kind of when you watch him play, whether he's a bendy guy or not, the way I have it is Thibodeau, Hutchinson and him. That's how I have it right that those are my three right there. And if you want to throw Walker in there and a

Jabo and Jermaine Johnson, but that's okay. But Thibodeau and Hutchinson, Oregon and Michigan yea. For those of you keeping score, they're widely seen as like top five to top ten picks. Yeah, they're out of there. How far below Carl? Like, how how much of a drop is Carloft? Do he to me? Anywhere between twelve and sixteen? Okay, that's kind of where I have him. Edge Rushers get picked, That's what they do.

One thing about the edge rusher spot. And if I know you said you hate this conversation, and I think we may try and push this too later in the week, but I think replacing an edge rusher in the second round would be more likely than replacing another position of need. That's one we're gonna just just to let you know, we're gonna have to pick that guy in the first round. There's gonna be a lot of edge rushers there that

are really intriguing. Whenever, how many how many edge rushers drafted outside the top, like fifteen make a quick impact. It's not easy to do wide receivers is what we get in second. Don't tweet me about t J Watt. I know, um, all right, Well, we can tap dance around this a little bit more. I do. Look, I want to do a segment word coming out of mobile. It's been discussed in the in cowboys Land all week about the potential of the ambiguous futures of DeMarcus Lawrence

and a MARII Cooper. We can get into a whole segment about that for the time being, Selven wants to know, on the off chance of Mari Cooper's not here, how big of a need does wide receiver become huge for me if that were to happen. I think it's need one. I don't know, you can't assume that, right. I think it's need one. It's tied because technically you only have one safety on the roster as well, So like well, I feel more I feel more confident about figured out.

I feel more confident about at least getting like Kazy and Hooker back in the fold. Then yeah, well if Gallar's gone, you don't you know, Okay, you don't think they would. I don't know, okay. And and I love Michael Gallup. We all love Michael Gallup. But through that man a pizza party, you're talking about him not being back from his rehab until potentially like after training camp. Like, that's not a guy that you can count on to

be good to go to start your season. Probably, Yeah, we can find wide receivers though, but yeah it becomes a huge need. Yeah, I Famari's not here, and then obviously it depends what you do in free agency, but the receiver room at that point in Ceedee Lamb and Semi Fioko, that's the room guy. So yeah, you need most is such not a fun class to be needing a wide receiver clapping, it's not a fun class year again or something. It's not a fun class to need

a wide receiver. One. It's a fun class to need a wide receiver. At least you've got a Jeff can always get excited about, as Jeff what he thinks about everybody being hurt at receiver? Though, do you have to evaluate all these receivers, the two Alabama kids, the USC people get hurt, don't care? Yeah, is is Drake London dealing with an injury? Oh yeah, that flew under my radar. Yeah, how is significant? Well that's where he's been. He probably

be ready for workouts and stuff like that. But there's people that're gonna have to look at his I think it was an ankle that he was he dealt with. But man, that guy you talk about thirteen fourteen targets a game, catching eleven of him every single time. That's fun, fun tape to watch their course. Yeah, sure is. How do we feel about the kid out of Arkansas? I'll tell you what, man, that that is one of those guys that it's almost like watching. You know, Jeff told

you a long time ago about Deebo. Yeah, Dennis Ramener. God, I just I did it broad us right there. I'm very sorry. Treylon Burks is who I'm talking about Arkansas. Yeah, I just see it's heart I like to I just want to make sure that even somebody who knows nothing about the draft. Yeah, actually forget going. It's just like, oh yeah, the Arkansas guy Burks. But Burke's the thing. With him is and Jeff told you a long time

ago about Deebo Samuel coming out of South Carolina. This kid, they line him up at a lot of different spots. They hand him the ball, they give him the jet sweeps, they throw him screens, they throw it down the field. He's one of the best players at Arkansas. Arkansas ranked in the top ten for a long time until they went to Georgia, you know, and then had a little bit of a bad stretch. But this guy was one

of the best players in the SEC receiver wise. When you talk about all the Alabama kids and stuff like that, you watch this, Do you watch this kid from Arkansas Burks play. I go, you will be super impressed with him and how tough he is. So you don't, Jeff, you don't think this would be a good year to want a receiver at twenty four. I could take a

receiver at twenty four. He'll take the Alabama kid, which Williams. Yeah, I would take in order Garrett Wilson at Ohio State at number twenty four if I could, Wow, he's your number one, uh, I would take Trailing Burke's the Arkansas wide receiver at number twenty four. And I would be willing to take Jamison Williams the Alabama Speedster at number twenty four. So yeah, I got three different guys that I could take there, and Garrett Wilson just a brief

scouting report because he has my wide receiver one. I just think the NFL right now, there's a lot of different things that are really important at wide receiver, but to me, some of the most important are can you separate? And what do you do after the catch? And Garrett Wilson's just got the explosive movement skills to separate at the top of routes and then he's almost punt returner ish with enough power that he's hell after the catch too. So Garrett Wilson is my wide receiver one and also

the one I trust the most. Like Trailing Burks, I really like Traylon Burks doesn't really separate. Trailing Burks is more of screen game and down the field. Was a great route runner, right It's more, he's not even good at getting himself in position for deep balls. It's seen. It doesn't matter, he realized because he's a power forward, because physicality and athletics. I had a feeling if you put him with a really good quarterback, you might see

a different player. I really do. Yeah, they got an offensive tackle playing quarterback there and Arks. Yeah that doesn't help. That doesn't help. But I mean just in terms of if you compare him to both Ohio State, can okay, can I get any love for love love? Chris Football looks so easy to that dude. I know he looked crazy. He's the smoothest football player like ever. Doesn't give you any pause. The fact that the one game that they didn't play in Jackson Smith and Jigbo went for four hunds.

So I'm gonna say he's the best one. James Jamison Williams left Ohio State because he couldn't get on the field. They got Wilson and Olave coming out this year, and the kid that can't go pro set every Rose Bowl record in the world to all. Tell it to the Georgian defensive tackles. Georgia might have two defensive tackles go in the first round and the best one isn't draft eligible.

Jaylen Carter's better than next year Jordan Davis already, Yes, all right, I will trade both Ohio State receivers and both Georgia d tackles for the next Georgia D tack. Glad you're learning about this scouting stuff. Yeah, That's that's always how it goes. Every time you turn on these games, you're like, yeah, have a look at the true sophomore. Who's that number who's that number nine playing defense? Oh?

I don't worry. Okay, keep that in mind. All right, We're gonna wrap this up with a question from Brian with an eye. Um. We we've talked a lot about Tyler Linderbaum. He's kind of on that shortlist the Iowa center. I know you would draft him. That's That's not the question Brian wants to know. Is it a luxury to spend a pick like that on a center, given that you've already sunk two seasons of starting into Tyler Biotish.

I guess basically the question is is Beyondish that much of a liability that it's worth drafting a replacement that highly Because if you draft Tyler Linderbaum, he's starting, like he's not gonna sit behind Tyler Beiottish. When you drafted Tyler Bottish in the fourth round, late in the fourth round, did you expect him to be your long term see, And I'm glad you said that because I think I think Remington Award winner and Wisconsin coming right after Travis Frederick,

I think it was unrealistic. Getting getting drafted to this team didn't do Tyler any favors because people expect him to be Travis and he's not right, he never will be, and he well, he was never projected to be or he'll be better than Travis. I just don't appreciate the doubting over here for this guy, you know, just like Tyler person. If anything, I think we're getting Tyler a vote of confidence exactly. And he never he was not put in a position, I agree, from draft day forward

to have the right expectations. They never were there because immediately he was the guy, and then this year he was the only guy because Joe Looney wasn't even on the roster, and your next best center as the guy that was playing next to him who had never played center in his life, and that was Connor Williams, who's not on the team any longer. So now it's just Tyler, be honest. So I don't think it's a luxury. I

think it's a pretty hard need. If you have a chance at Linderbomb, you pick him because when you don't pick the best player, eventually you look back and be like, what are we stupid? Yeah, like if you at twenty four had him available and you pick a different position that you don't think is as good a player, but it's like him Wilson, but we need it more under Bamba. Um,

even if what if Cooper's not here? Just go way off the rails, bam, because otherwise you look back at it and you have massive regrets because you're like, oh, we did correctly identify that that guy was going to play a bunch of Pro Bowls, but we got a decent starting receiver because we quote needed it. Screw that. Pick the player that's the best player and you won't regret the pick. Is there a player that at twenty four that would take you off Linder bamb You tried

to do this to him a week or so. I think I'm just curious. I'm just curious, Yeah, Aiden Hutchinson, Yeah, that's what that was his answer a couple of weeks ago. Cavon Thibodeau, maybe Evan Neil, maybe Equanu. The other thing that makes locked in, Yeah, the thing that makes me so locked in on Linder bamb Is, it's him perfect, and then it's a bunch of guards. Yeah, and then it's like Donovan West is my next highest graded center. Well that's the even have you seen I've seen Alec

Windstrom from Boston College. I have watched and they're like, hey, do you want us to help you make some money if you can do this? Well, you like those Boston College interiors. I'll tell you what, Boston College has put a lot of offensive linemen in this league. Not wrong, I mean, I think it's a fair question. Like I I don't think Tyler is as bad as people give

him credit for. But I do think Linder Bomb seems to be good enough that if you have that opportunity the least the least amount of holes in a player Lindon Bomb, maybe yes, in the first round or just in the Cowboys range of in the whole first round. Geez, yes, would you say the lack of weight then, right, doesn't bother me? Kind of bothers me. I'm beyond under three hundred. Yeah, A lot of people think, but I don't think there's twelve starting centers in the league that are under this team.

Wouldn't this team won a Super Bowl with a research step basketball play. Yeah. Jason Kelsey was two eighty when he came in the league. Oh yeah, all right, give me better, Kelsey. I feel a lot better. All right, thanks guys. All right, I mean we got to four questions. It's not it's not it's not our best, but it's not our worst. We're going to get to ten. We will try to improve. I just made you write down. I like to have margin for er. I wrote down eight.

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he'll tell you. He'll tell you all about a guy's footwork and then simultaneously be like, oh my god, look at the mascot. Look, yeah that's Corso one was the best. I was watching tape the other day and I took a screenshot of it. It was Georgia, and he was right, there is Georgia Clemson the first game season opener, and I clicked it I said, Jeff Corso. Corso, He'll just he'll be like, oh my god, the ball girl got knocked into the kicking net. There was a there was

a Florida State ball boys. The Florida stated lightning. That's what it was. Yeah, all right, the thing I mean, Brian or Jeff, you brought it up. Like the thing I love about this show is I had a whole third segment planned, but we talked about so few Senior Bowl prospects that I feel like we should get that out of the way while in the right fresh doing the right thing. All right, So what we covered? What we covered? Defensive line, a little bit, offensive line, quarterback?

What else from the Senior Bowl? Who else caught your eye? I want I wanted you to talk about Jalen Petrie since you were so curious about this coverage. Okay, Ryan's got Petree opinion that I'm gonna let him deliver. But I'll tell you when I was watching, Jalen Petrie is a Baylor safety. He'll line up as kind of their nickel, but he'll rush off the edge a bunch. He plays

forward a ton, They play a bunch of zone. But you can tell watching tape that Jalen Petrie is the ringleader of that defense, and he sets a tone that is unreal. Everyone on that Baylor defense wants to hurt you, everyone, and it starts with him, I miss you, Dave Randa and so exactly. So I'm in my notes there and I'm like, gosh, I just I have no clue if this dude can cover none because he's just kind of floating out there in his zones and you can tell

he's a smart player. And then the Senior Bowl stuff. Every time that I saw, and you guys would have seen more than I did, but everything I saw on TV, it was like, Oh, this dude's blanketing people. If Jalen Petrie is a good cover guy, Jalen Petrie's a top fifty pick, and so like, I think Jaalen Petrie helped himself a ton and became a name that I'm now intrigued by. If you could get to the Cowboy's second round pick, ye, I'll tell you what, man, man eighty

eight years figured out how to scout Brian. Come on, damn it, that is awesome. You're eight got it. I'm tired. I don't want to hear that. I want to hear you like mf his opinion, Like this is Tyron Matthew whoa okay, well that's a first round This is when Tyron was like pick sixty eight. Yeah, but if you know he is no, no, this is this is this is Tyren Matthew. Is I am I am listening? Yeah, this guy is a hybrid linebacker safety. He's sneaky. I

mean he'll shoot gaps. I mean he has a you talk about a high football IQ, this kid right here has it. Could you watch him play? He communicates. It's like he's talking to the corner. He's down low on the right side of the formation and he's talking to the left corner about a crosser. You could tell he's like pointing and he's pointing on the other side of the field like this guy's gonna drag this thing. Get ready,

you know. And so I mean the aware, the instincts, I mean, he's you know, he could play the ball. I mean you're right about the coverage stuff. I mean you were kind of thinking, oh, well, you know, how is he going to play? But the quickness, the change of direction. I'm serious, I will I will if if you told me I could draft a kid that like you pet cat kids and stuff. This is a kid right here. He loves to play football and he's really

really good at it. You know what's exciting for me about that is I actually have faith that this staff might draft a guy like that well because for so many years, for so many years, that type of player felt like he was off the table. Here. I have a vivid memory somebody, somebody safeties as a linebacker exactly. That's so something. Whatever year he was drafted, Remember how much we loved Buddha Baker. Sure, we loved that guy. And what I kept hearing from that side of the

building was where do you play him? Yeah? And I just remember being like, keep playing him on the field. I don't care. It's one of the eleven. It's one of the eleven that go out there and try and make play. And I feel I have confidence that dan Quinn might actually do that too, especially with the versatility that he has. Now, this is fun because this is my third year scouting with you guys, right and I feel like this might be one of those guys that

I disagree on leheartedly coming from a Baylor fan. That's the thing is, I've been known to ride for the guys that I know play well for my team, right, I mean go back to Jayalen Darden last year with North Texas, and I mean some of the guys early on. I agree with you in terms of the physicality and the versatility. With Jayleen Petre, He's gonna go all over the place. He's gonna play anywhere. He's a physical player

when he wants to play. He takes a lot of plays off for me, he brother in law's these guys. He takes a lot of plays off. He doesn't play to the whistle. Ultimately, one of the things with him that I kind of saw as the Baylor side of things is once he got the reputation as being the ring leader, he wasn't the ring leader anymore. It was Terrell Bernard, the linebacker, who was also a Senior Bowl guy. By the way. It was those two guys that were

kind of trading places in the big games. Petrie wanted to step up and play in the Iowa States, in the Kansas States games, in the Oklahoma State the first one not necessarily the second one in the Big Twelve championship game. He was just kind of there. He wasn't a impact player. I still think he's a second round talent. I'm not saying he's going to fall out of the second and that you shouldn't take him on day two.

And if he doesn't fall to you, or if he does fall to you a fifty eight, that doesn't mean you shouldn't take him. He's a good player, but I do have my reserves about him, even as a guy who's watched him play for four years. Is ultimately ultimately my case. I don't think I would put him as high regard as a Tyran Matthew at that remark or at that point, but I do like the idea behind his versatility and what he could do on a defense. I like when Brian said better, it got me, got

me more excited, just brought you right back down. Kyle said better. I like. I like a little bit a little disagreement hate. I did a little hate and going one know about his own guy, made him said he doesn't like his own guy. Petrie hates football. I wrote that down, so I'll have that. I don't know that he hates football, but he getting he only would you draft a guy in the second round you hate that hates football? No, Okay, then then then you're analysis, then

you should not have him in the second round. Giddy. No, No, I'm just saying that's true. If you don't think that the guy can if you don't think the guy can make plays, or it takes plays off or is lazy and all that, don't put him in the second round. Let me say it this way then, chie Richie Grant last year UCF. Yeah, who ended up going two picks three picks before the Cowboys were on the board and Mike McCarthy slammed the table because of it. That that

guy I would be doing backflips over instead of Petrie. Okay, at the same spot. But I'm just I'm just saying, though, if you're if you're going to evaluate these guys, then don't don't have him as one of the top fifty players. Sure. I mean, you know, to me if if you came out I would have more respect for you if you came out and said that he was I don't see this guy's the second round player. I understand it that if you disagree with him about the Tyron Matthews, and

that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, but don't tell me all those things. And then when I get with you in a discussion that you still have him in the second round. I have that. That's that's that to me does nothing for me. I appreciate, I appreciate the fact that you are passionate about the player, that you've seen the player, that you don't think he

could do that. But if you say, hey, this guy's a fourth, fifth round guy, then I'm like, okay, he's committed to that, which you don't sound committed to the guy. I want him a back half, second round guy. I think that you know you you you killed the kid. You didn't think? You said he doesn't he doesn't play all the time. I want to divorce this. Did he did? He say he didn't play off? The man? I'm spectating, I got no, no, I'm asking a question of the

plays off? So what did the other seventies? That's outside of the topic. So I want to then put him there before we kill this guy too quickly, who none of us have ever met. Not specific to Petrie, but you as a scout, if you get that vibe about a guy, how much does that ding him? He doesn't? Does he doesn't like foot? If he takes plays off or if his tape is inconsistent. Like if he's literally got the talent, yeah, but I mean the thing he's

got inconsistent tape. If you watch the tape and he's not making plays, and he's standing around, and he's not in the pile, and he's not doing all those things, you put him where you think, Okay, it's it's not about the talent. You could say all the things you want, and about the talent, you're like, hey, this guy can run, he at times is physical. You got to put him if he's not making plays. See the thing about the reason I would say that this guy is Tyrn Matthews

because he does make plays. You know, he is in piles. He isn't he sees him a different way, that's cool, But mean to me, the thing about it is, I look at this. If he's not doing those things, this guy loves football. I could tell he loves football the way he plays. Now, if he sees him a different way, that's cool. You know, I'm here for this, But that that if if I see a guy that has all

the talent in the world that doesn't love football. We had a guy that was a tackle way back in the day named Ben Coleman, to play it at wake Forest. Ben Coleman was at Jacksonville with us. Ben Coleman only cared about making money to start the cold Stone Creamery ice cream. That's the only thing he cared about. He didn't care about He just played football to do that.

He was a super super talented player. But you know, you knew in your heart, you're like, this guy doesn't care about football, So put him where you think that like that he's like where he if he if you feel like he's not that type of a player, that he really is not going to be a great fit for you and not play hard all the time, you gotta put him down there. And if he ends up being an All Pro and all that, then that's that's fine. When you say down there, fourth round, like, I don't know,

I had the guy in the top fifty. Yeah, my friend here does not. Well, he said he did, but then he's crawfish on there right now, said there's a chance, and to it, I am. I think he's outside the top sixty. I think he's a bottom half second round player. Okay, And that's kind of where it is. If he described him, but you described him as a guy that nobody should want. I described him as a guy that wasn't Tyron Matthew. That's ultimately my decision making there. I didn't want to

kill the guy as he doesn't love football. I just don't think he plays up to his ceiling. He has a high ceiling. He has that versatility, the athleticism, the hitting ability. He comes up and plugs the run I have, will come down, lay ahead at the line of shirtmage and takes great angles to the football, which he does

on tape every single time. However, when he decides to take a play off, he sits there, kind of hangs out, DAPs up the guy on the other line of scrimmage, and it's it's not necessarily plays that are like run, plays of the opposite direction. Fourth round, No, okay, early, I mean late second, early third. I'm excited. I'm taking notes when we disagree about players because to this point, if he mostly, if he's if he's a bust, I'll be the first one to admit it. I mean, I

do I think this. I think this kid's got some special irony. I really do the irony, Like we did this extra segment to get two more players, and we've gotten from the one. What do you got, Brian, give me give me a guy who would you like? Well, no, go ahead, I know I'm asking you what for another guy from the Senior Bowl that you thought was that you always impressive or you like their tape. I'll tell

you what. To me, I was. I was on board because we were just talking about this kid, and I like what he did to finish out the game with the peatree thing and all that. I mean, I think that's what Jeff was talking about with you saw the cover skills, you know, those were the things that I think to me in the way that he was able to make the last play in the game, you know, the interception to seal this thing up, I think that was I think that's something you have to be happy about.

I'll steal Brian's time and give you another guy. Thank you. Jayalen Toilbert, South Alabama wide receiver, Yeah about him. I just saw a little bit of the stuff he was doing at the Senior Bowl and it was about the same time. I want say I saw him in one practice and then watched his tape that night. Jaylen Tilbert,

South Alabama receiver is a really good player. Obviously, the level of competition isn't great for a lot of the games that he played, but he played Tennessee too, and he hung up like seven for a buck fifteen a touchdown, And it's nuance. It's knowing how to play wide receiver where you can sort of change speeds in a route. You can kind of manipulate where is a corner and where do you think I'm going and where am I

going to end up? So Jaylen Tilbert South Alabama, I think is a really well rounded good player that is potentially top fifty, top sixty pick. That's a South Alabama wide receiver that I think that highly of. You're not the first person I've heard say that, And it's so easy to evaluate receivers at these events, but I did think that there were a lot of guys that stood out.

I mentioned him in the break and again, like I'll just be selfish and bring up a guy that I really liked, but Stan Watson out of North Dakota State. I mean, it's easy to fall in love with a big receiver, but I just like his skill set. I like his physicality. He's versatile, like he can play in the slot at six to four, which is fantastic, especially as a team that might be looking for a guy that can do stuff like that. I thought he was really impressive. Made a great diving catch in the game

on Saturday afternoon. Uh. It's ironic because I think we know the Cowboys don't like these small school guys. I mean they'll they'll tell you they do, but they never draft him. There are a lot of small school guys down there that I really liked, Like, yeah, let me ask you this and practice. Did the kid Abraham Smith from Baylor had a really good game? Did you notice him at all a practice during the week to do with you? So he just showed up as a gamer,

then is what happened to him? Yeah? How is he as a player? Then? I mean how is he as a as a running back? This was his first year as a running back? Oh? Really? Ye had sixteen hundred yards. He was a linebacker his first three years of Baylor that switched to running back. Had sixteen hundred yards. Was the best running back on the team. Very physically. Yeah, bowling just as I knew. You would sit just sit over there and be quiet. And he was not stand

out in terms of the practices. I thought DeVante Price from fi you had a better week of practice. Uh my top running back, bring up your Florida guy. Yeah it was. Uh was Damian Pierce. Okay, I thought he had the best week out of anybody as in terms of a tailback. But I like Abram Smith a lot. He's good runners, amazing. He showed up if you watched the game, though. He showed up in the game the way he carried the ball and stuff, like I thought.

I mean, if there's a position that's harder to evaluate than not that it's hard to evaluate evaluate receiver, but it's just easy to see them stand out. Yeah, Rashad White out of Arizona State, every time he got the ball in practice, he jumped out to me, he's a he's a big boy. It's so hard because there's so many rotations and you're you're trying to evaluate the offensive line.

But even against you in front, you do this enough, you can kind of tell even it's a running back, but even even in a non contact setting, you can tell, like, okay, that run would have popped even even if it was contact. And it felt like Pierce and Arizona State, White had a lot of those where I was like, holy crap, he's passed the safety before anybody can even get a hand on him. So he's a long runner like big strides. I mean he runs he runs tall too, like he's

got a very straight up stature. All Right, we sort of covered some more ground on the Senior Bowl. But hey, we got first fight. We got nine oh, Jalen Petrie. Jalen Petrie is circled in the notes not not not a fight. But I'm just I'm glad We've got some guys we can look back on and say, hey, you were really right about that guy, or probably you're an idiot. All Right, guys, we got plenty more weeks to sort this out. We got plenty more Senior Bowl and non

Senior Bowl guys to get to. We will see you Thursday. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Draft Show. Talk to you next time. This has been a production of Dellas Cowboys dot Com and the Dellas Cowboys Football Club m