Draft Show: Senior Bowl Review & Dane's First Mock

by Dave's replaces. Yeah, Tay what Taylor Stern steps into the chair. Yes, I felt like I had to dress like him, you know, so the transition was easier for viewing. Honny Jim, that kid's gonna kill us now with all drops exactly, here we go. Yeah, No, Dave is on assignment. Is that what you said? Yeah, Dave's on assignment doing some Louisiana scouting, Maudi, girl, you gotta go scout that kind of stuff, and he's comparing it probably to last

week's mobile exactly. So he's just doing some comparing and contrasting absolutely, which I appreciate him studying. Well, we're grateful for you to be here today and and you were a part of a lot of the things going on at the Senior Bowl. So I'm interested to get your take on only what you saw, but some of the interaction you had with the players. Kent Garrison is the executive producer today as always, and we thank him for doing that. The Draft Show today again, like you say,

we're back here next WBC Morgage Studio. I want to wrap up the Senior Bowl, guys, is what I want to do. We haven't had a chance to talk about it. What we saw in the game, did a lot of things for Dallas Cowboys dot Com, some videos up, how guys played, some content as far as written stuff or what we saw. Going to get into Twitter on the twenty. That's where we have an opportunity for you out there to fire us a question at the Draft Show. That's

the best way to get a hold of us. Kent does a nice job of managing the account and then also pushing out things that we are going to do, whether it's from the Senior Bowl, the Combine, Draft Show, information, anything you need to know at the Draft Show. That's where your questions need to be answered, and Tay's gonna

step in for Dave and handle that today. We're also going to take a look at Dane's mock draft that he did for CBS Sports on Monday, and what I want to do, guys with that is I'd like to get in only with what the Cowboys are gonna do, but maybe some of the players around why you had certain guys at certain levels. I'm excited to see, Like at the end of the draft. I don't know about you, Dane. I got eighteen names so far, pending any physicals or

any problems of first round players. Eighteen, so there's thirty one guys that are gonna get select in the first round. You've got some interesting names that back into that draft that I want to get to. Yeah. When I saw Dane tweet that out, I looked at it immediately because obviously I trust his opinion and some of them, I was like, I have to ask him about this. I'm excited about the opportunity. Good we're gonna get. Yeah, we're

gonna get into that. And then, like we said, we're gonna take some calls today at the excuse me, towards the end of the show. I'd like to get your questions. I'd like to get your comments. I'd like to hear your voice that you can reach us. It's on the screen right here as you see eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven. We're gonna do that at the end of the show, try and get through as many of those as we can. The way you can help us do that is by just hey, get

to your question. We're all doing great, we're having a good time, happy to be talking about the draft. So with all that being said, we were immobile Alabama. We are. We did what we always talked about. We investigate and now we're going to educate, right and that's something we always focus here on the Draft show. And Dane, I want to ask your opinion of what you thought of the week. A lot of you know, some of the

top players you had. I thought there was a tremendous amount of pressure on Carson Wentz going into this, the fact that he was the Cowboys. He was on the Cowboys team. We talked about it during the week. Sure felt like that maybe some of the times he had probably maybe tried to do a little too much. But what did you see from the game. Did you gain anything from the game any different opinion about Carson Wentz

as we speak today, I don't think so. I think the game reflected how his week of practice was pressed a little bit but was able to settle himself down. And you saw all the traits, you know, at full display, with the size of the arm, strength, his mobility, the way he handles himself out there. Just that type of stage did not seem too big for him. You know, coming from the FCS level, you don't know how he's

going to respond. But throughout the week and during the game, yes, you did see him pressed a little bit, and that's understandable. But I thought it was far more good than bad with Carson Wayans. And I know that the final stats didn't look great, but he made good throws. He made NFL style throws. He saw the placement, he saw a little bit of a hitch, maybe thinking too much at times, but he was still able to deliver and complete passes.

So Carson once I thought, I had a very good week, and it only confirmed that he's going to be in the conversation to be that first quarterback draft. Yeah, Taylor, you had a chance to interact with him on another level, with some of the social media stuff you were doing for Dallas Cowboys, I what kind of feeling it. Dane painted a pretty a very accurate picture. What about him personally, though you had some interaction with him as well. Well.

The first thing I noticed about him we didn't get to talk to him on the way and day, which I was kind of bummed about. But he was the biggest name, so he just kind of ran through right, which is understandable because other people had more time. The first thing I noticed was that when Jerry Jones arrived to the practice, he made it a point to go up and talk to him, right, And I filmed that and Carson was y, you know, comfortable. He didn't act like, oh I'm star struck or right, this is someone I

need to impress. He was very comfortable, seemed relaxed, seemed dead, He's you know. It was a pleasant conversation. But the second thing that I noticed was that in his postgame press commerce I watched it, he seemed very rehearsed, which is sure true to all of these guys that are coming through a job interview. But the thing that I

noticed was that he didn't have exact details. I don't know if he's just trying to articulate everything that he's going through or what he's trying to say, but they seem very generic, is it. That's something that you see often with these quarterbacks who are just trying to impress. Well. Do you think he might be a little programmed right, well? And or just maybe he's a little nervous about I think more talked about not being on the scared on

the big stage. Though as a player, this is a very very smart individual right on the field and off. He knows all eyes are on him or right he's saying, so he is a little guarded with what he's saying. But yeah, he felt guarded. That's a perfect word, right, Dane, because it felt like he wasn't saying exactly what he wanted to say. Well, and like you mentioned, it's a job interview, and he knows it. He's very aware of what this opportunity means and what it could mean for

his draft standing. So I think, you know, I don't want to look too much into that, but I do think, uh, you know, he's a very smart guy, and so he was very aware of all eyes being on him. What's he gonna say and how he's going to respond. So the awareness really stands out there. Yeah, I think that watching him practice during the way can I even said it on some of the shows we did, the draft show during the week that I thought he was trying

to do a little too much. So for the game, I didn't feel like though his receivers really helped him at all. Now and I and we even showed it on Dallas Cowboys dot com ball placement. You mentioned that earlier. I mean the thing that I the question I had for him after the game postgame was and then again we had the video up on Dallas Cowboys dot com is he was talking about getting back to California and

working on some things. And there's some things you saw him in the pocket, the footwork, I mean to take in the snaps, And I asked him, was that was that something that you tried in the game. Was it something that he said? No, No, I went back to what you know, what I knew. And there's sometimes when you watch him on North Dakota tape, the feet dude bounced a little bit in the pocket, you know, And and he had on the fourth and five throw that

he made. I mean, he just let it fly, but it was just his you know, mechanics were bad and he was trying to you know, maybe he should have thrown the ball to Peyton, the UCLA receiver underneath and fight for another day. But he tried to make the big time throw to the outside to Braxton Miller. And you said that he models his play after Aaron Rodgers, So he's trying. He's thinking. I've heard in the past when these quarterbacks are going through this draft process, they

get asked a million times, who are you emulating your game? After? You know, it's things like that. So they watch a lot of tape they see what these guys in the league already successfully are doing. So and when I talked to Carson back in October, footwork was the first thing he yeah when I said, okay, obviously you're talented, but give me something you can work on, and footwork was his first response. And so he's very aware. And that's one thing I love about Golf and I love about Wentz.

And I don't have a good I'm not saying packs the Lynch doesn't do this. I kind of a good feeling forget, but the ability to self evaluate they understand where they can get better and what they can work on. And that self awareness is huge. And for Carson, he's very smart, like I mentioned, and sometimes it's almost like he thinks too much out there. You know, you want to be able to see him. Uh. You know, it's good that he's going through his res hie to low,

you know, but sometimes he's passing up uh. You know, a window that might not be you know, open by a large margin, but in the NFL that's open. You have to hit it. And so sometimes I just want to see him think less and just react. I think you make a great point because there's some throws he made again to the outside. Uh, you know, on the third down play, I think it was the more Chris Moore.

I mean he hits, Yeah, he hits Chris Moore. He's stand in the middle of the pocket and it's disintegrating and he's standing there and he lets that thing fly and exactly and it gets there. You know, NFL ball, not a college I mean NFL ball, And it's right where more has to make that catch. That's a catch that and then Burbridge in practice on the slant I showed that one too. It clangs off these are NFL type throws, you know, And so where where I have him in my mind is I had him in that

twenty to twenty eight kind of range. But you might be right about you know, you know, and we'll get it on your mock draft because you put him in a different spot. But I don't think we know where any of these quarterbacks are gonna go. That That's the problem I'm running into right now, is that, Okay, is he better than I have him? Still behind the other two? In my mind, I still have him in Paxson Lynch. It's no secret. I've talked about it a bunch on

Twitter and all that. Paxon Lynch is my guy, you know. But this team, you know, at four quarterbacks in play, yea quarterback is definitely in play. And and I want to ask you though, it had to be a huge It had to be a very beneficial for for Carson Wentz to be able to work with the Cowboy coaches. I mean, that was sbsolutely and you knew that that was going to be his biggest benefit because on the other side it was Jacoby Bursaid and Jay Coker, and

those are good quarterbacks. But for him to get the attention. And I remember hearing from a couple of the scouts, just in whispers in the halls about Carson Wentz before he was even this name, that he's become right closer to the draft. Right. But I had heard of him from a couple of scouts. Hey take a look at hey, And I was like, who is this guy? I had heard of North Dakota State obviously winning five national championships.

But yes, to work with the coaches and to be with Garrett and Wade Wilson and Scott Lanahan one on one them to see, oh, you know what, this guy is good. He needs to just stop over analyzing everything and we can help him with that, with confidence and you know, working through things, just study. Yeah, So they'll

see that and they'll take that into consideration. The quarterback lights you up there, I mean, and not to the point where you're gonna make it's this massive two three round run right, No, And there was nothing like that. It's obviously Carson Wentz than these other guys. Right. Um. I like Jeff Driscoll, I think the tools are there. I worry about um. You know, we mentioned it was Carson Wentz, but with Driscoll thinking too much. I don't

know how quick he sees things, doesn't anticipate. I worry about that. Brandon Allan from kans There you go. I'm leaving the horse to water here. I'm a Brandon Allen fan. Sure, a couple of I mean eight and a half inch hands at the way end, it's a red flag right especial he's gonna tell He's gonna tell you well, and you know it's it's not like bigger hands means you're a bigger quarterback, but smaller hands. There are concerns because of ball security. You know, your grip on the ball,

especially if you go to a place like Cleveland. Yes, and you're gonna have to deal with some bad weather. Um it's more about a threshold. You know. For a lot of NFL teams, unless you have nine a quarter in chance, they won't even consider you. Right. So for Brandon Allen, uh, he needed to go to practice in the game and show well, and I think he did. And I think he has great tape to back to back it up. Absolutely was the best quarterback in the

SEC this past year. Um, So I think Brandon Allen he has the tape that's gonna make scouts take notice. But the physical limitations you worry a little bit about that. Is he better than an AJ McCarron. See, that's what And now that's now when you start started hard, because we've seen AJ mccarren start in the NFL and he's done. Okay, yeah, can I can Brandon Allen. But it's the same I mean the same kind of physical traits. I mean maybe

not the small hands, but just the game. I think he throws the ball better than AJ McCarn Yeah, And I don't think you're wrong. I do think that Brandon Allen, And he's the type of guy. I'm not sure he's a starter at the NFL level, but I think he can be like an AJ McCarron, step in if you need him for a couple of stars. Right, And so I think Brandon Allen. You're talking about the top quarterbacks in this group, the top seniors. Brandon Allen's probably somewhere

in the top five seniors. Many tiers of quarterbacks do you have in your mind? How many quarterbacks do you have? What's hard? Because this quarterback class is so deep. I

mean last year we had what six quarterbacks drafted? This year we might We're gonna have a dozen, okay, But I'm just saying though, at the level, you have the three that you think about, and then you have and now it's that exactly, and then that third tier you have that middle round guys that you think you can develop, like the Jeff Driscolls, and I think Brandon Allen's probably in there as well. Um, and then you have a later round guys. So I think Allan's probably in that

middle round tier. You know the guy in the in the six round, would he'd be better? A better Hogan better, Briset better? And this is where you get you talk about ice cream flavor. It's gonna be different around the league because I know a lot of scouts like Hogan and the intangibles of leadership. But in terms of pure of quarterback play, I like Alan better. Yeah, and I think and there are a lot of people that agree

with that. But again, the eight and a half inch hands and a lot of these old physically he doesn't. We're the press box, we're watching him. He looks smaller than all the other quarterbacks. Stuff that Connor Cook, he brought up the name Connor Cooked. You're here. I wanted to say something about Brandon Allen as far as meeting him, Okay, oh, okay, he is an extremely impressive guy. Okay. He was the first guy I spoke with, So I might be biased

just because he made a first impression. Yeah, but he knew all of these things. Like you're talking about self awareness. He was saying these things when our guys were interviewing him and saying, yes, I know I have smaller hands, Yes I know what you know. I played at Arkansas, did these things. He is extremely self aware, at least he seemed that way. Yeah. And you know the fact is is that what he did at Arkansas was he

really developed night and day. You know the first two years. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Over the summer, Yeah, undrafted grades that didn't even gi him a chance. This past year as a senior, like I said, the best quarterback in the SEC, he helped himself tremendously over the last year. Well, you talk to people who follow Arkansas and they'll tell you he stopped making mistakes. He was a quarterback that was prone to make bad mistakes. And if you watched the Toledo game,

it's one of the first ones. You're like a couple of mistakes there in the red Son, you know, cost him an opportunity. But then you watch the Old Miss game and he's letting it rip. And I thought it the Senior Bowl, I thought he was the most consistent quarterback when you talk about practice all the way through practice, some of these quarterbacks had days where they were this, and then they go this, and then they'd come back and then you know, so I was I was interested

in that Prescott gets the player of the game. Yeah, I thought that. I thought that Brandon Allen out played him myself, I think so. I mean the production was better. I mean Prescott, give him credit. He you know, show the team down on a scoring drive. But so to Brandon Allen, Right, Brandon Allen had a good week. And it's fair to point out too, the only reason Brandon Allen was there is because Connor Cook pulled out, right, the only reason if Connor Cook decide, Conner could decide

to go to Mobile. We don't see Brandon Allen. I'm watching him at the Shrine game. So, um, well, good USC quarterbacks should have taken a hike out something about that. Decon dec Allen the helmet yea helps, Yeah, but for good for Brandon Allen to get that opportunity and take well, he maybe maybe elevating himself again. I'm not talking about a massive running up the board, but at least people

have a little bit better idea. He does look small, I mean, but I'm kind of thinking I'm looking at a Jay McCarron, and I'm thinking he's a better a J McCarron. In my mind, I'm just watching back and buy that. Okay, defensive, I'll skip the defensive tackles because we always talk about the defensive, but they seem to be I mean Dolphins Washington though and then and then talk about all the ranking. Didn't get to see him

in the game because of injury. But to me sellon rankins he in my top fifty board that I released before the Senior Bowl. I had him at twenty two. He's moving up. He's better than the twenty second player in this draft class. Uh Noah Spence East there ago, Yeah. I mean, he was fantastic all week, the best pass rusher um in Mobile and you can make the argument he's the best pass rusher in this draft. I say it all the time on Twitter, and you know what,

I'm okay with that. I have no problem throwing out there that Noah Spence Kentucky is it. And you're an Ohio State guy. You follow Ohio State though, and you you know his history as far as when he was at Ohio State, right better than Bosa am I right about? Yeah? And as a pass rusher, absolutely so. And to be fair, we talk a lot about Spence and how good he is as a pass rusher. He has some issues against the run. She's not a perfect prospect by any rides.

But you look at the Super Bowl teams that we have, they can get to the quarterback, especially the Broncos. And so if Noah Spence, if he can get to the quarterback in the NFL, he's gonna play for a long time. And as long as he stays clean off the field, which a lot of people are believers in him. That's why I think he's gonna end up in the first round, even though his baggage says I'm a second third round pick, project kind of guy, like a Tyron Matthew was. I

think someone's gonna take a chance. Yeah, there's a lot of people right now that are looking at Tyron Matthew and going, oh, how stupid do we feel? Yeah? Well, it's tough. You have to take in each individual and that's trick him down and trigure out what makes him tick. And you know, I don't. I've heard some good things coming out of the interview process at the Senior Bowl, the way Spence handled himself. And again I've I've talked to his former coaches. I've talked to his former teammates.

They all speak very highly of him as a person. More of a bad mistake, you know, type of thing, but nothing that's, you know, long term that you really have to worry about. Reminds me of a smaller version of Robert Quinn than rammed out. Oh yeah, absolutely, fact, did you get to meet with any of the defensive line and anybody get to talk so about no spense.

I had known about that storyline going into the week, and I'd read a couple of different articles I just found and I thought it was interesting though, because sometimes when you've seen these guys make these mistakes as far as what he did, and that was an addiction, Right, he went to Eastern Kentucky and he still continued to produce well and maybe he still had a high performance, right, which is interesting because if he was this guy who's

still struggling or something. You might have seen him kind of even now plateau or even decrease in certain things. But what I appreciate but appreciate about him is that he's continuing to excel and work harder and show like you're saying, this was a mistake, and you know, I'm learning from it. I'm hoping to get better. I still have this possibility and dream. And one area where he deserves a lot of credit is after he got kicked out of Ohio State, he almost went pro, and he

had that opportunity. He would have been drafted probably in the six seventh round, sure, but he decided to transfer to rebuild that draft stock and show that, hey, I'm a good player. He was drug tested over a dozen times at Eastern Kentucky. He told the coaches, please drug test me as much as possible, and he passed every test. So now you know, going forward, where is he going to end up in the draft. He's a wildcard, true wild card, but again somewhere in the top twenty, somebody's

gonna get announced. Players and and and you said, case by case, Will McClay and I asked him about that box players. You know, case by case, Brian, it's you know some days, you know you got to figure it out. You were talking about, hey, his game is going this way as far as off the field stuff, you're talking about his ability real quick. Before we go to break though, the talk of the buzz of practice was another Ohio State guy, Braxton Miller, and so again another wildcard potentially.

I mean, you've talked about him as a top sixty type player though he is, and I had him in my first round mock this this week. I think that it would not shock me at all if he ends up there. You look at some of these receivers that have gone first round and you know the past couple of years in the late first round, Braxon Miller can certainly end up there. He's still it's clear that he obviously needs a lot of work mechanically with his routes. You know, we saw him take five six steps at

the top of route, so he still needs work. He had to drop pass in the game, but he impressed me with his hands throughout the week, very natural, quick reflexes. So I think Braxon Miller, he's going to be more of a gadget player as a rookie. But by year two, he's gonna be pushing for a start out role. So you had a chance to meet with Braxon Miller. Yeah, Braxon Miller stepped aside and talked to us. He's got

the flash, he and he knows it. He exactly, you know, he knows that, Hey, I was this big stug quarterback, right, I decided that the best thing for my game is to take the wide receiver game. And he's just got he's got this air about him. Deva like very much. So Scott, this is diva. You know my name, I don't know your name kind of thing, which is an NFL wide receiver, right, the flash but what I don't

even know your name? But yeah, it does knows. So the thing that I would worry about him is that he's going to go in and be like, I'm fine, they want me on their team. I'm a name, you want me. Yeah, we'll see the interesting guy though. I mean he's a he's a he's an interesting cat. He's been Columbus and Ohio State media have been all over him. So he's very well rehearsed. And you know he's been through all this before all these questions. He used to

this exposure. Carson Wentz is probably not in Braxon. He's a true competitor. The biggest concern I have with him can he stay healthy? Yeah? I think the durability. It's a little different when you're going over the middle and you have safeties and linebackers about to pop you. So I think Braxon Miller can be a good pro. Biggest thing I worry about Kenny stay healthy. Yeah, And that's funny you say that, and then I'll let you get

to break. But Wednesday, we're watching practice and he sits down with doctor Jim walks over and I'm like, yeah, not get trainer Jim. Yeah. I'm like, oh no, but he was fine. But you're right, well, that he made through the game in that is key. But I think he's another one. He's walker. I like what you're saying. Top sixty could very well be a first round player. Okay, we're gonna to step aside here for just a moment.

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app called tenty seven seven. NFC Boys Today is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft show. Swboys. We are indeed on the clock here at the Draft show, Dame Burglar, Taylor Stern Brian brought us song with Ken Garrison, Executive producer, Thank you so much for joining us. As always, we always appreciate the interaction we have with the fans, the folks that maybe are cowboy fans, maybe the guy's gals that aren't cowboy fans that were uns fan already asking

you a question. That's good and we encourage that. And we're gonna do a little segment that that Ed K Hill came up with several years ago. We got the show started called Twitter on the twenty, Twitter on the twenty. It's nice to have our little uh big voice guy bring that back, uh do Usually David Hellman's in the chair, but Taylor Stern was nice enough to come in and uh substitute. A matter of fact, Dave might be substituted for permanently. He's not good. He's not very good enough.

He's not now. He's not so now we'll know if you listened or not. He's he's out. He knows I would be talking badly about him. All right, take us take us down the past. It's gonna go as I see them. And if I mess up your name. I apologize. I'm just reading them as quickly and as easy as I can. Sounds good, okay. Philippe wants to know who are the RBS running backs fitting in our scheme that could be available round three to five. We'll get that a crack there. Dane guy we saw in mobile with

Kenneth Thick. Oh, how about that. It's a good start. I mean, he some people think he might go in the second round. I think third rounds kind of the spot for him. To me. Yeah, he has a lot of a lot of miles on his on him, but you know, I think he can do everything well. I don't think he stands out in one particular area. This is what he does really well, right, But he's just steady across the board, catch a ball in the backfield, quickness, power, a lot of things there that you want. Yeah, and

I'll tell you what too. Make sure you check out Booker two from Utah, precise from Notre Dame. I'm talking about Howard from Indiana Collins Art. These are all guys at Yeah, someone's gonna figure this out. Maybe more like Tay two three four, kind of those kind of in that middle of the thing. If you want to go down a little bit further in the draft though. You know I didn't mention Henry. I know some people have Henry little higher. I know you would probably got Kelvin

Taylor from Florida would be another one. Taylor's son, Fred Taylor's son. I was with mc Jacksoncuy. I'm an old man. I time Fred Taylor's Florida. But yeah, those are the types of names, Drake Perkins, Urban, these are all. It's a good run of running backs suit there if you want to just suit out this entire draft. Okay, next one, we lack speed at wide receiver. Who's on your radar that can help with special teams in round three or four special teams receiver? So I'm first thought I thought

was Braxton Miller was doing some punt return stuff. He obviously has a natural speed, but he probably is not a three or four guy A bunch Moore Fuller from rootre Dame. Yeah, he's he'll take the top off a defense. Yeah. Now, he's a player that I think similar to Devin Smith last year. He can step in, he can, he can work as a gunner, he can, he can help you out on special teams. I was just talking about speed, how about made the May kid from Miss j He

impressed Mail. Yeah, in Mobile. I liked him in Minnesota, but you know, obviously under size, not the fastest, but he's quick, very quick, and so I said, he's very Duayne Harrislide because he had two tackles on special teams, on a kickoff team, and then also they threw him, they ran him on some reverses. They tried to get him to football. He was one of if you watched when the Jacksonville coaches Jerry soul Of my old guy,

when they were doing the stock and engaged drills. He was going at it with side Jones and kJ May. He's a Mobile native and so a lot of us thought, well, he's getting the mercy. And he played if he belonged there. He was one of the top five receivers of the Minnesota May. Keep an eye on our guy, Damien Wilson here was pumping him all week. Minnesota guy. All right, let's just make this one quick, justin who are you taking at four between Jack and Spence? To me, it's Jack.

I mean I like Spence quite a bit. To me, Jack, he's see, that's what we're going to get a bunch of these questions, so we'll just rule through ut. Yeah, would you guys prefer Jack or Elliott plus a third? Okay? There, somebody's talking about it, like talking about moving back and picking up an extra pick in this draft and to get Elliott, you're gonna go out of the top ten. A you're gonna keep it and you can stay inside

the top ten. Well, if I want, if my purpose of moving back is to get Elliott, then I feel like I have to get him within the top ten. I mean I look at the Giants number ten. Yeah, I think that's a possibility. There's some other spots. So people say they might go defense there. Oh I think, oh yeah, sure absolutely. But it's similar to the Rams last year, where you know they thought the Rams are gonna do but at some point Zeke just is too

good to pass up. And with all Ben mculdoo, the Giant's head coach, you know he wants balance, you know, he's a passing guy. The chance to bring in Zeke, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but has a good chance to happen. They can take the running back in the third. Get ready. Yeah, when I read that, on your mock draft this week. I was like, Oh, no, we're gonna just be you know, facing the Giants two

times a year. We got a zeke on the ground, we got Odell over here, And I was like, no, that's why it's a possibility, because every other team in the division's gonna have that same reaction. Oh, it's just brutal. When I saw that, was like, they could do that, and it would be extremely smart. You would have to find a way. Then you got to find a trading partner, and you gotta find somebody that's willing to dance up there and who wants to trade up. And that's what

we're gonna try. And and we got to figure out though in this draft, folks, when you ask these questions, figure out what you're coming for. I mean, hey, which it sounds real nice and easy. Hey, Jerry's gonna pick up the phone. Hey, San Francisco, we want your third. You know, you need something, You need somebody, and it might be it might be what if bosas on the board or somebody that somebody coverts, you know, maybe the receiver they cover it. Maybe it's Jack they cover it.

Dallas is in a good position, get a guy, especially like you say, a lot of people have or higher on Bosa than I am. And that's okay. But the quarterbacks, quarterbacks, to look at the Rams sitting there, they're moving to La. Yeah, who's their quarterback? Nick Foley, case Keenum. They need a quarterback and the face of the franchise. Do they wait at fifteen and hope a pass fish you're moving? Do they love someone enough that, hey, I'm gonna move up

and get my quarterback. I'm not gonna hope they're thinking. I'm sending out these brochures for people to buy season tickets and we're gonna put Nick Foles out. Wait a minute, did you guys just tell me you're gonna drop from four to fifteen to make I'm just saying possible trade partners. I mean, in order to trade back guys, our teams have to want to move up and just looking at teams that might want to have that in claim the Rams are aggressive team. You're right right out there, okay, Drain,

I hope I said that right? What draft great do you give Martin? After the Senior Bowl? Nick Martin? Nick Martin, he was a third rounder going away though he was a third round or third round when we leave, I gotta can play center or guard. Just a not quite as physically gifted version of his brother, right, So that versatility's key. But I thought he had a nice week in movie. You know, he's not as strong. I'll say he's a he's a great position I mean just position

block or kind of thing. Blithe, the kid from Iowa, I thought was the best center in the day. Yeah, and I like what he did playing guard too. Keep an eye on Blie. I like Jack Allen better the Michigan State set. Okay, yeah, both these big ten guys. What and Jack Allen he looks he doesn't look like he belongs on an NFL just not physically impressive, but low man wins. He understands that. Yeah, and he works hard to finish. So I think Jack Allen really impressed

Jack Allen on tape. I agree with what you're saying. People are gonna fall in love with Kelly from Alabama. I think it's a good year. If you need a center, very good you can find. Again, a lot of teams do a fourth round. We're going to see these centers come off the board, absolutely all right. I've seen a couple of these questions. So let's just get this out of the way. What is the total amount of picture

including picks for the Cowboys? Well, we won't know until yeah, officially, officially until the owner's meetings here and the first weekend in Marching. Like that, right, they're thinking that doubt. And I've just seen some projections. A four and three sixes is what I've heard from from just projections. Again, don't take me to tap, but that that's some people have done some research on this and what the balance is? It sound like a four and potentially three sixes to

go with that. So you don't have a fifth, Yeah, you don't have a fifth. So add everything else up with what I next thing on. It's really on our radar as the combine coming up, that's gonna be there February twenty third, twenty fourth, something like that, and then after that that's well, have a better idea of the projection and the three sixes potentially. How do you feel about drafting Dak Prescott in the three four rounds? Maybe a way to get immediate playmakers and a quarterback to develop,

and I think it's clay. What do you what do you think Dak Prescott can be. Do you think he could be a future starter? To me, I don't. I think it could be a solid backup in this league. I give him a lot of credit. Last year I thought he was a thrower. Yeah, you know, I don't like the way he throws. I mean I like his throwing ideal, Right, but he's he said a lot of records in the SEC. Well, he and he became much more of a passer this past year. I mean you could see it develop it and I give him a

lot of credit. I think he is a much better version of Tim Tebow. I mean, he's what people wanted Tim Tebow to be when he was in the league when he was drafted first round. That's who Dak Prescott could be. But at the same time, I'm not sure I see an NFL starter. I see a guy that can be a backup. So where how early do you feel comfortable drafting a backup? To me? That's more fourth ka. We talked about the levels of levels of quarterback. Where

does he fit in the levels of quarterbacks? Probably in there with Dress, Drift School and Allen Yeah, you right after them, Hogan, right exactly in that middle rounds. Yeah, it'd be interesting how these quarterbacks come off the board. And that's interesting that you're talking about how deep this class is, because what you're going to have from this class is you're going to have a couple of Matt Castles, people who have been in the league for a very

long time. They've benefited from being kind of a professional backup for lack of a better term, and we may see that come out of this class, especially because a lot of these guys are kind of like that, you just swarm on your team. He's been preaching this all along, and I think he's right. I'm finally catching up to

you on this. A lot of guys maybe not potential starters, but then but all of a sudden, you use them as a backup and then they get it and like just what Tay said, all of a sudden, you're seeing a guy and it's like, oh, we remember talking about him on the Draft show. It really didn't Fitzpatrick. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't feel like he was Yeah, we didn't feel like he was a start at that time. But now all of a sudden, boom, things come on. He's in the right system, he's with the right offense,

right scheme, and it makes it work. And this year the Senior Bowl usually only takes six quarterbacks. This they at eight, and the Strine Game still had some quality quarterback prospects with Brandon Dowdy and Jake Rudoc Michigan. Yeah. Yeah, so this quarterback claws just really really deep in terms of players that you might want to develop them. There

might be something there. Yeah. That's just the most interesting thing to me about the quarterback position is because it's so temperamental, Like you're saying, you know, are you with the right offense, are you with the right coaches? Are these people really helping you get play? Yeah? Are you training right so that when you get do go to the combine, if you get invited, that you're able to show your best. So it's interesting, all right, if Jalen

Smith was healthy, who would be ranked hire? Who are your pro comparisons to him? Josh wants to know. Josh wants to know your pro comparisons to Jalen Smith. He's tough because he's such a freak athlete. Yeah, he's twitchy. Hey, he moves around with these he looks like a safety running around out there. Um, you know, I heard the

Bobby Wagner comparisons a little bit. I don't mind that one. Um, But if even if he was healthy, Jack still top linebacker, right, Yeah, I had tagged or touching, you know, in my mind even though I projected Jack to play. Is that I like what I'm hearing. I like what I'm seeing him. We're seeing some like some little little bits of video coming out about Jack moving around, going through the bag. DRIs to be a full participant at the combine. So if that's the case, by all means, let's go and

and and to me that tape. You watch either tape, he would be happy with either one of those players if they were on your team. Well, Vernon Hargraves be an option for the Cowboys at first at the fourth at the fourth pick. If not, if you watch him grittish teeth there. Okay, Well the second part of the question, if not, what are his downside? So you can answer that size? Yeah, I think he doesn't always play big.

And I don't think that for a corner that's going to measure under five eleven ye, Um, that that really hurts them. And I think that shows at times on tape. Now, he's a really competitive kid. He's a coach's son. I love the instincts, the aggressiveness, There's a lot of things you love about him. He's a first round player. But to take him at four, he better be a guy that I'm he's stepping in from day one and he's

gonna be a big impact for him. Me and I don't think that he consistently plays up to the competition now he's facing some of these bigger wide receivers. Sometimes he just he just doesn't have an answer for would you rather? Would you rather take say Ramsey as a safety prospect at four and then try there? There's enough corners in this draft in my opinion, Apple kid, There's some kids. Yeah, there's enough guy Apple and Clemson's Alexander.

Would you rate them? For Give me some guys with some length, give me some guys that and that's what again, when when you talk about when when you talk about Alexander and you talk about the Florida kid, you're talking about smaller guys, you know, And even though the smaller guys side Jones the other day played well, I thought, you know, there's some shorter guys, but man, this league is about getting in there and playing with you know,

knocking balls away, being rangey, being tall, being able to physically handle things on the end. That doesn't mean he can't play. Of course, there's a spot for him in the NFL, but we're talking about taking a corner at number four. Overall, I just think there'll be better players there, all right. So g Money must have not seen your mock draft because he said love the show. I'm a Browns fan, and I know Dana is from Northeastern Ohio. Do you think Wentz maybe Brown's pick at number two?

And you did say about this, I have to have Wentz at number two to the Browns. I mean, he's in the discussion. The Browns obviously need to find that quarterback, and in this draft there's a few enticing options with Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, maybe Paxson Lynch. And to me, Wentz represents the anti man Zell for Cleveland. I mean, there's just so many things about Wentz that is the opposite of Johnny Football. So you know, Wentz is not

a perfect prospect. Obviously, he has some question marks, especially coming from the FCS level. But if the Browns are sold on him as a guy that can lead them to the playoffs down the road you have to take. Let's not talk Johnny, but is once a comparison to Brandon Whedon, not just the He's a much better athlete than Brandon Weedon. I think that was a big That's the big downfall for Whedon is he just can't move in the pocket and there's a lot of other things.

But Wentz is going to be able to do that, right. Carson Wentz is a souped up Alex Smith. He's bigger like that, a stronger arm. But you see the same intelligence, the same athleticism, the way they move in the pocket, outside the pocket, extending plays. So I think Carson Wentz and look at Alex Smith what he's being able to do. I think Carson Wentz is that type of player. Let

me carry Gimney's questionable further for a Browns fan. Then would you see them potentially going best player and then waiting to the top of the second round to grab much like what San Diego did with La Danian, Tom would send and then Drew Brees. Would you see with with the with kind of the bad luck that you want to say that they've had with quarterbacks in the first round, could we see a flip where they say, let's just take the best player. They maybe they did

that with the Quarner. They probably thought the quarner of the drafts from Oklaouma stay over. Gilbert's been up, been a bust for them, right, But when we have to remember there's a brand new regime there in Cleveland and Sashi Brown and that that brain trust. They're a big believer in the numbers. They're a big believer in I mean, they're very confident group. So if they think there's a quarterback that can lead into the playoffs, that's the pick.

They're not gonna wait. And so they don't care about what anyone else thinks. They trust what they what their scouts say, and what they think. So I think a quarterback at number two, it's becoming more and more clear that I think that's the direction they go. Yeah, remember this, Hugh as a hut so he'll know all about that. And you know Hugh wants to get a quarterback run is off. Absolutely. Okay, that's it. We've got We've got

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figure it all out. So with that all being said, I'm gonna open up phones I'm gonna take a call here and then I want to get into your mock draft. So I got something holding Kent when we got today, Warren in Ohio, you're up, go ahead, you doing today? Good? All right? Uh? I was. I was thinking that, Dallas, we need to go ahead and we need to eat a draft a running back or another tight end or somebody in the middle of the defensive line, because I

think we pretty sat at a quarterback. We got Romo already under contract for years, and if we do draft another quarterback, maybe do it next year, not this year. Okay, thanks, thank you Rauch for the call. And I don't think he I mean there. I think there's a large portion of Cowboys fans who agrees with that. Yeah, I mean

you're you're picking a number four. You have a chance to pick a quarterback with a lot of potential, but that's all it is right now, with potential, a young kid who you hope could be something one day, but it's far from our sure thing. And you have a window right now with Romo to win. So I and

I tend to agree. I as much as I would love to take one of these quarterbacks at four, I have a window right now to win and drafting a Miles Jack or a player like that can help my defense from day one and help me win in two N sixteen, would you draft huntsels forward? Not? I love Tonsil, he's the best player in this draft, but for this team, right I would not draft them for this team because at some point you have to pay all these guys, and my offensive line's already really really good. I need

help elsewhere. Yeah, I am going to start saying what Brian is saying about minimizing the risk. It is and and it's balancing that, but you also have to be fearless. You know, you know you do, and it's a balance to how you do that. No, no, no, that will make the draft fascinating and impossible. It's same, But minimize a risk. Tation is willing to take a risk. Yeah,

he'll take a risk, there's no doub about. But see, that's the thing about is I'm saying that just for that that that fourth pack, I think whoever, they could put five names on the board and one of those names is going to show up and they go ahead and pick him and that and that that's fine, but then you've got to think about Okay, minimize the risk of the names. Think about, Okay, would I really take

this guy? Would I really take this guy? That's what I think it's gonna be really important for the board. I think they can they can gamble and do some things in the second, third, fourth round. I'm okay with that. At the top of that, and he mentioned interior defensive line. This this is gonna get a lot of help. There's going to be a double digit defensive tackles draft in

the top fifties. So when you're sitting there at thirty four, that's prime location, prime real estate for one of these defensive tackles to fall to you right, whether that's a Vernon Butler and Austin Johnson. I think Andrew Billings could be there. I don't think he's a lock first round pick. I think it's possible he could be there. So I'm sitting at thirty four and i'm's your best tackle. I'm looking one technique Billings, No, I like drawn read better

at Alabama. I have him above, and I also Sheldon Rankins. He moved up. He's my number two defensive tackle overall. Probably more of a three technique though, but he can do everything. I mean three. Four teams will love him four three teams to love him. He can two gas doesn't do anything. Miss he's my think, what number three defensive tackle? It's tough. He's one of the top ten talents in this class, just not one of the top ten football players. And so at one point do you

take a chance on him? I think he could be really good and all pro in this league. I'm just not convinced he loves football enough to work at it and reach its potential. Dig into his mock draft, what do you think? What do you think Connor Cook? First rounder? And remember with these mock drafts, it's never was I think should happen. It's always what I think team, and it's all about scenarios. Look, you know we're three months

to the draft. I'm not going to look back at this draft and see, oh see, I told you this is more about scenarios, what could happen, how it could play out. And with the Texans sitting there at twenty two, yeah, if the three quarterbacks off the board, yeah, you know the top three Golf Wentz and Lynch and the Texans are sitting there at twenty two, Hackenburg and Cook are right there. Do they pull the trigger on one of those two, do they try and wait till the second round.

Bill O'Brien's entering year three in Houston. He needs to make a splash with one of these quarterbacks. I don't know Tom Savage. I don't think he's the future there. So it just it would not shock me at all if Connor Cook or Christian Hackenburg go at that twenty s. When I read it, it made complete sense and I thought, well, of course, this is why you would put him there.

But my feelings about Connor Cook and I said this even at the beginning of the year when he was kind of a heisman buzz and I just think he might be your bust. And I hate to say that, and it maybe egg on my face a year from now because he could go and light it up. But the fact of the matter is is that I think he benefited from his weapons around him at Michigan State. He benefited from having a solid defense, strong run game, strong run game, and the fact that he's having all

these questions about his intangibles. Is he a leader? Is he someone who can be a backup? And take that mentally, we'll see he's working with George Whitfield, who I you know, I've always admired a lot of respect, appreciated his work with former quarterbacks. One plane in the Super Bowl, this Sunday Cam, so who knows what George will say. George is very good at getting these guys to combat what people are thinking against them. Right. He did that with Johnny,

you know, he made it. He did everything in Johnny's pro day that people were thinking is against him. Right. He's probably gonna do that with other guy, another guy he's working with though, And I know, well, yes, Cardinal Jones about him. Yeah, he's he's one of Dave Helmet's favorite and figured he weared the plaid and wear the plaid of Ohio. Stay for sure on that one. Gonna go through, just go through real quick. Here tounsil to the Titans, wins to the Browns, Chargers take Bosa, puts

the Cowboys on the clock. Miles Jack, talk about you happy? I am very happy. Day. He could play any of the linebacker spots. Like I said, he helps you from day one. And it's hard to come up with like a true apples apples comparison for him. But and this is high praise, I know, But if you combine some of the strengths from Luke Keekley and some of the strengths from his teammate Thomas Davis, and you combined him. Yeah, you have something similar to what Miles Jack could be.

I mean, he's that type of athlete. His contact balance and outstanding and instincts. He's just a rare athlete, a rare specimen for the position. So there's a lot of things you can do with him. How hard was it not to take Ramsey or Golf at that point? It was? But you know, if I'm sticking and looking at the board, Jack is number two for me, behind Tunsel and Ramsey's number three. I think Jalen Ramsey would be an outstanding pick. Can help you at corner, can help you at safety.

He's just a true playmaker. So I think Ramsey he's coming off the board with the next pick for the Jaguars. He's not gonna last very long. New general manager Chris Greer at Miami you like him taking Noah Spence at eight. Yeah, here's your top ten guy. Yeah, and someone's gonna take a chance on him, and I think someone's going to be very happy they took a chance on him. Um, you know I mentioned you know, Vernon's about to hit free agency. There, Cameron Wakes not getting any younger, So

I think Noah Spence could step in. I think, ideally I'd love to see Noah Spence in a three four defense where he can you know, really you know, work with space and really benefit from that. But at the same time, he's a pass rusher and all teams need that. Soam me at eight it looks like a possible fit. When you talked about you had the Saints taken Treadwell at twelve there, Yeah, they're new Marquis Colston. Yeah, you know, I think he could be that new Marky's Colston for him,

that big, size, good athlete. The ball skills are all standing in the catching radius and playing opposite Brandon Cooks. I mean, it's gonna give Drew Brees, you know, one last ride in New Orleans, you know, one last chance to go and see if they can make the playoffs and make a Super Bowl. So surrounding Breeze with more talents never a bad thing. Okay, we've taken Treadwill at four. Maybe No, I'm not okay, I don't think that's our biggest need. I say that because you know we have

Does and we have Terrence. Let's develop them. Let's give him a quarterback. Yeah. I don't know if we do pick the quarterback at for but I'd feel more comfortable at taking a quarterback and four than a wide receiver, which is your position that you would be happy with other than the quarterback. Yeah, I think I would stick with the linebackers. Yeah, you know doing that because we love Sean Lee. He's great, he had a Pro Bowl year, right,

but we need that playmaker. Yeah, you know someone who's gonna line He gave you a play That's why I was like, kle huh, Yeah, you're playing the best cover linebacker we've seen come out of the draft since since Keikley. So yeah, and once and you look at the number four pick. Traditionally, that's been a sweet spot for wide receivers, that first wide receiver to come off the board. Last year the fourth pick Mark Cooper, the year before that, the fourth pick Sammy Watkins. A couple of years before

that at the fourth pick aj Green. So you know, that fourth pick traditionally been a little bit of a sweet spot for that first wide reip and it is your playmaker you know it is your guy. I mean Amari Cooper. It's a CDC up there with Derek Carr. That's their guy. But the thing that I have a problem with is you got eighty eight over here, and I know you got to line them up like you're

talking about, you know, Treadwill with Brandon Cooks. I get that, but I don't feel comfortable if you talk about this all the time. If you're gonna get at this high of a pick, let's not be there again. Let's not be there again. We've had playmakers this past year and we saw why couldn't we get it done? That's fair. You raised an eyebrow. I did raise an eyebrow. Darren Lee at eighteen to the Colts. You're not the biggest

Darren Lee fan, right, Yeah, you have some reservations. No, I need to go back and study Darren Lee some more. I's probably having a bad day. Well he's a former quarterback player back in high school. Well he's an out standing athlete. Yeah, I think the natural instincts are there. A little leaner than you want, needs to clean up a few things with his tackling technique. But I think the arrow was just pointing North on this player, I think he's gonna get better. Got him. I really like

Darren Ly. I would have loved to see him back in Columbus for another year. I think he could have really helped himself. But even so, he's a top twenty pick right now. Braxton Millard to the Bengals at twenty four. Yeah, then the Bengals, they've got a few wis. They like Ohio state kids they name the Brown family has an

Ohio state tie they also like. And where Braxton grew up is about an hour side of Cincinnati, and so, uh, Cincinnati is also liked versa little wide receivers, you know, they and before even with Hugh Jackson and without him, they run. They like to run a lot of exotic things on offense, and so the chance to add a Braxon Miller and his versatility to that offense. Uh. And on the other thing the Bengals have shown is they are not necessarily looking for that guy that can help

right away in round one. They've been thinking long term. You know, last year they took the tackle from A and M a way, he who you know, wasn't gonna be able to play most of his rookie year because of injury, and they were okay with that exactly. They think long term, they think who can help us down the road. So I think BXON like your choice at twenty six with the Seahawks Jack Conklin. They need the need offensive line help now that Jack Colin former walk on. Yeah.

You watch you watch when he played. I mean when when things are breaking down for you know that Alabama Michigan State game. It ain't Jack Conklin breaking down. And you watch him against Oregon going up against Buckner, Yeah, I mean you see that course strength. You know, a strong hands, wide bass. Some guys will be able to beat him with speed, but no one's going through him, that's for sure. Just to go down here a little further to Jaren Reid twenty seven of the Packers, that'd

be a great pick. Sheldon Rankins Kansas City. Oh, that's really good. That's all they need is another defensive lineman there Arizona with the with Vernon Butler defensive tackle Louisiana Tech helped himself a little bit this week. Then Yeah, I think a lot of people will be surprised as he Butler maybe in that first round discussion, but he belongs I think he's uh. He proved it last week in Mobile and you see the lower body quickness, the upper body power, and he uses it in unison to

beat up on Lineman and Kevin Dodd. It will be the thirty first pick. He's the defense fin from Clemson, and Dane thinks the Carolina Panthers will have that pick. So that just tells you right there. Next year when you know Brian's going through these games, and he told us this year, well, all of Carolina Panthers, you know, defensive lineas first and second round picks. So they're just gonna keep adding. That's right, that's right. Yeah, okay, kid,

we did a great job day. That is I like your mind trap that the eighteen though I have a little question about that pick. All right, kay, Garrison, We're gonna try and finish up this show the next We've got three minutes before we have to get out of here, can't. I'm gonna turn it over to you and we're gonna fire through these calls, so everybody be ready to go, and we're all doing good again, So get your question

and let's go. All right, Sean and Nova Scotia, you're up. Sean, all right, guys, thanks very much for taking my call. Great job at the Senior Bowl. Very insightful and enjoyed the sideline analysis. Thank you very much. So here's the question we go with, when does quantity outweigh quality. For example, Tampa Bay has a ninth pick, they have thirteen hundred and fifty points. They got to move up to number four.

Dallas has eighteen hundreds, so they'd have to basically give up their second which means you have four picks in the top forty okay, and then who in the war room makes that call? So there's my question, guys, Thank you, great question. Okay, we're gonna make a trade here real quick, and then we're trying to we're gonna go down to Tampa. Where are they at nine? Is what they said. Okay, that's that's a spot. I mean that's going five and he's right, you know, go get there two. So you

know that would be the call. If you're thinking about though, where their board sits a little bit in that second round? Could they say if you have could they get the defensive tackle, could they get a wide receiver, could they get a corner. That's where you kind of have to look at your board and say, okay, we're in the

second round. Do we tend to have maybe maybe a little bit of a little depth at a position that we can go look at, or who do we where they're not a debt but we might need that position. So again, that's Jerry's call, at Steven's call. They're gonna have to convince will McClay, Todd Williams. They're all going to talk about that if the trade works. But yeah, if you get multiple picks, and that's great. I think the biggest question though, is who you can have it

for and then who's gonna be there at nine? Exactly do you feel comfortable losing a Miles Jack at Jalen Ramsey? Right? And you know who do you really like at number nine? Is that? Don't trade away from a great player? That's the whole idea here. Yeah, you gotta you gotta make a determination which way that board's going, because again, if Carson Wentz goes to Cleveland at two, that's gonna set this draft in a whole other direction for the Cowboys

in my opinion. Yeah, so we'll see. Well, in trading back is almost always the right option. Yeah, you look at the Browns, a couple of years ago. And I know, you know, Cowboys aren't the Browns. Not a lot of teams aren't. But you know they had the fourth pick, Sammy Watkins right there for him. Yeah, they traded back and they got Justin Gilbert. Yeah, so it's not always the best thing that the best, But then you could have the number nine pick and you could pick someone

like Tyren Smith or is he Killie Hill? That work? Ken't who do you got? You got somebody else going on phones ringing right now? Give me a twenty seconds, okay, but yeah, the whole trade, the whole trade back, sneer. I'm always from me, tell me who I'm trading away from. If I look at the board, if I'm gonna lose this, this, this, yeah, that's a situation where okay, but you gotta think, okay, if I could if it sometimes you'll have a deal where you go, Man, I wish I had an extra

second round pick. Sure, and and yeah that's and that that'll work, that work, okay, Ken? Who do you get you in Germany? Reggie? Go ahead, Hi, I'm here now are you from trade will again? Okay? I know, um um we just heard that. Um we're I'm liking him too much because we we think we got Um Terrence Williams here, Terrence who was here last year. Sure Terence proved that he couldn't carry a ball. So we need a more consistent receiver next to DEAs. We need to

open deads up. We've been trying to get DEAs opened Um in different positions the whole last year when he was healthy, couldn't do it. We need somebody to off set him. You know, we need a one receiver. That's what I'm going to say about that. Thank you, Reggie. I don't think I didn't say I didn't like Oh you did. No, I like him a ton and he is a boss, and I'd love to see how he's bounced back from a very scary injury. Yeah, that is huge, especially if a player is going to go and be

successful in the league. What I said was is that I don't think that's our biggest need at four. Yeah, we dropped back in trade. You're right, he could be a nine pick for us. No, and I agree it's not the biggest need. But at the same time, I

think when you're picking four, it's more about finding the show. Well, you're at four, you want someone that can impact your roster and help your team move forward, and I think Treadwill can maybe to me, he needs to be in a discussion because he can step in at the number two and I know he's a lot like Dez. That's okay, give me two Deserts out there, and defensive quarterbacks. You've got two desas and you've got Kellen Moore throwing him

a ball. You got that Castle throwing him a ball. Well, and that's why I'm addressing the back of quarterback and free adens. Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, that needs to be said. No Manzell RG three, Well, no RG three. Maybe you know you look at that as a possibility, But I want the I'm not gonna draft. I don't want to draft a rookie quarterback there. I'd rather go and get into guy that's going to impact my team

for sure. Until on the sixteen. Now, if this wasn't February fifth, and this was April fifth, and we'd already been through free agency and we did get someone that I feel comfortable could pass to two Deserts, I might change my mind, Reggie, So don't give up on me yet. Don't give up, Okay, last call the day and we'll end the draft show. Who do you got? Chris and Maryland?

Go ahead? How you guys doing good? Right? Um? My question is I heard you talking about the quarterbacks and say we go with the linebacker in the first round, in the second or third round or so, what quarterback would you actually look at? Taking um and that that's what I have. Have a good day, guys, I'll take it all the air, all right? Thanks? Chris. Get a second round quarterback Dane Connor Cook. I mean, I you know, I think he can start in this league. My rear

would be real tight if we took Connor Cook. I just he can start in the NFL. I just don't think he has a high ceiling. I don't think that he I mean, had he's a lackerberg do anything for you? No, I mean maybe in the maybe in a late third round. I would take it. What would he have done something for you if he wasn't getting sacked as many times? But a lot of those are his own doing, though, and that's what I give. Yes, the offensive play calling did not do him any favors once he lost Alan

Robinson after season. Yeah, you know, no one helped him out the offensive line did not do him any favors. But at the same time, his tape shouldn't have been that bad, and a lot of it was self inflicted. I mean a lot of bad habits, holding the ball too long, not recognizing things. I just I'm worried that he's damaged goods already. I mean, right in twenty thirteen, we saw what he could do. With Bill O'Brien. The last two years it was it was a mess, and a lot of that was because of him in his

stunted development. Can a team NFL team get him back on track. I'm just not a true believer or a coach. You're talking about Bill O'Brien. He's worked with some of the best quarterbacks Tom Brady. Sure, yeah, and I'm not saying you can't. I would take a chance on him, probably your late third, early fourth, but I don't think he's gonna be there for me. He'll be drafted higher than I would. So Connor Cook's your only second round quarterback then, yeah, I have a late second round right on. Okay,

that's that's fair. Okay, Well listen, that's all the time we have for the day. Thanks, Thanks for hanging out with us today. It's very fun. You guys are great. We will bring you back. Yeah, let's probably next week because I'm tired of Dave. Well, you know, I love Dave and I hope that he makes it through Marty grob but if he decides to New Orleans, yeah, you're covered. Great, Okay for Dame Burglar, Taylor Stern, Executive producer, Ken Garrison,

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