Draft Show: Senior Bowl Preview

ninety eight days away in Las Vegas. We're just about to the weekend where players will report to Mobile, Alabama, and the Reese's Senior Bowl will be there as well David Hellman and myself. But we are going to preview that Senior Bowl today. Plenty of players, plenty to talk about as we welcome you back into the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Shoe. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and the great David Hellman. Fresh off of his national

championship win. You're still feeling it as it still has it hitchy yet, Oh it's like it hit me. It hit me before we won it. That's fair And now I'm just basking in the glow of the greatest season in college football history. What was your favorite part about it, if you could even have the game, or the season, or the whole thing as a whole, just absolutely molly wopping Alabama getting that monkey off of our back and

then I mean, Joe Burrow sixty touchdowns, six interceptions. It I can't wrap my head all the way around all of the stuff I loved about it. It was the best ride of my entire life. It was pretty uh. And the thing is is you were on the bandwagon from the get go, whereas a lot of people were not necessarily on the bandway. I've been on the bandwagon. YEA, been on the bandwagon. You were the driver of the long damn time coming. Man, it just felt really really good.

I mean, I probably I didn't think they really had a shot at it until they beat Bama and then I was like, we might do this. This is this is happening. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, up until that point, it was a lot of question marks around that team. You still didn't really necessarily know if Joe Burrow was going to be the legendary college player that he ended up being. Joe Burrow was a two hundred to one.

You know, on my favorite stat he was a two hundred to one favorite to win the Heisman before the season. You see the kid that's following him at LSU. Vegas made him a sixteen to one favorite. Kid doesn't have a chance. He's never He's played like thirty snaps in his college career. But Vegas is like, we're not getting owned like this again, We're not doing that lost, Joe Brady,

that kid didn't have a chance. It's you know what, those are problems for the future, and when hey, half of half of LSU's roster is now part of this draft class, so we need to talk about that. But man, just in my darkest moments, for the rest of my life, these memories will keep me warm. Delpit, Jefferson, Queen, is it cushionberry? Is how you say it? Lloyd cushiony, cushionberry, Phillips Charles and like jeff said, Joe Brady all basically going to the NFL. Did you throw Clyde in there?

I did not, actually dare I don't know if he's announced, but I would bet money that Calevan Chason is going to go pro as well. I think Clyde announced yesterday he did. I think he did. Calevan, I don't think has made a formal announcement, but he's got till tomorrow. Tomorrow is the deadline. I love that, underclassman. Yes, it

is Friday afternoon is the deadline. I just love that. Like, this is the Draft show, so I have an excuse to be talking about this, like on a Cowboys on a Cowboys podcast, it doesn't make a lot of sense to just be gushing about LSU, but like, this is the draft seeing half of their team is in the draft now, so normally you're just beating your friends down with LSU talk, but now it's the Draft show. Now all of our listeners down with LSU talk, and y'all,

I'm sorry. There were some people yesterday on the periscope when you were on the break that we're saying, Dave, please talk about LSU, And then there were other people that were saying, please don't, because I mean, aren't trying to hear it. Yeah, I hadn't watched it on social. Yeah, yeah, I'm done. I heard done with l Sean and RJ over at the fan were mad at me. Yeah, I'm sorry,

just abrasive over the top. You were mad at you obnoxious? Really, yes, you deserve afore and eighth season next year, and you know what, I'd be fine with it, like it was all worth it. I'll gladly make that trade. Like everybody can come get their licks in and it won't change anything about what happened this week. Gold Tigers, we need we need an edo drop in the middle of this show. Gods, go Tigers. I'm happy you're here, I really am. I'm really glad that you made the trip from the New

Orleans all the way back. Are you about to I need that back in the break, so I'll show you that much money from Scott down the hall. No, that's not mine, so I need that back anyway. We'll see a little bit of fact about the Star. There's just a much a treasure chest and it's a really cool place. Yeah, it's all they're all hidden in the doors down low down below. But we'll talk plenty of lsue. But one

thing that we definitely want to hit. Dan Bruegler, of course, former member of the Dallas Cowboys Draft Show, released his second Mock Draft or Mock Draft two point zero. Was it an update or was it an Okay, Well, he released that earlier this week, and there were definitely some high points at least in that that mock draft that we definitely need to look at the Cowboys. Uh. It was Grant Delpit that went to the Cowboys at seventeen and then they went with and I'm gonna have to

have some help with this name. Is it Matta Bouque? The ten or the opened out of A and m I can open my text messages and get the pronunciation because I messed it up on the radio yesterday. Let me somebody, somebody gave me the pronunciation. I can go find it. Okay, to you in a minute. I'm hearing this name a lot, and it's obviously so early in the draft process, but that is the fourth or fifth time I have heard him linked to the Dallas Cowboys,

and I am intrigued. Well, hey, if they're staying in a four to three and which could be happening, okay, sat four three, which can happen if you look at him. He's six three three h three, but he plays some one and plays some three techniques, so he can play both defensive tackle positions for you, whatever you need. I would say that he's a better run player than a pass player right now, just kind of a masher in

there in the middle. But we've been asking them to draft that player for years and I think he's a good player. You know, I have a third round grade on him. But you know, the Cowboys kind of picking the middle around two. There's some other guys I like, uh in that in that area. But look, there's not a lot of fight about defensive. There's not a lot of defense better than Neville Gallimore. Yeah, he's better now, I mean it depends what you want. I think rush

pastor and he's better than him. I think Gallimore is a much better pass rusher thing than Ken which sacks are always paramount, But like this team has struggled up the middle against the run quite the last two seasons. Yeah, so that's what I actually like Dane's pick. I think

Mattabique is. I think he's solid at both. I think he's got the athleticism you want to pass rusher on the D line, and I think he doesn't get bullied even though he's only only three hundred pounds, because you got you think you gotta be three thirty to be tough at the line of scrimmage. But I think, I think he's I think he's good. I got him as a second round guy, and I think that'd be a

nice pick. Now, my grade isn't complete on Mattabek by any stretch of the imagination, but I know Gallimore specifically. If we're talking about those two guys as a second round pick, Gallimore moves laterally a lot more than Gallo than Mattabik does. It seems like at least is a heck of an athlete. He level digit tackles for loss each of the last two years. He sacks the quarterback. I think, I think he is a much better athlete and penetrator than is being portrayed by you couple of haters. No,

not a hater at all. Like Mettibeguy's a fine player. I like Gallamore much better. In fact, in Dane's draft, Dane had him going thirty fourth. I believe I think this week, I think Galatmore is gonna have a big week. Later on, we'll give a little Senior Bowl preview some of the players and the kind of big names to keep an eye on for next week. In Mobile. I think Gallamore, I think you're what you're saying about him, Jeff,

is his anchor is a problem. Yes, he's gonna get mulled by double teams if he's asked to go play the one technique position. That's gonna a couple of times in the Big Twelve this year too. I think he's going to dominate one on one pass rush drills in Mobile. Yeah, I mean, I think. I just think he's very hard to buck. He's so quick, and that is speaking from experience of going there like that is what steals the show Immobile. You know you're not You're not going all

out in the scrimmage stuff. The game obviously is it's almost Pro Bowl like in terms of the competition, but the stuff you can see in the one on ones wide receiver dB, but even more so is the pass rushers against the offensive lineman. Another point that I saw at least during the mock draft, they had a Jennings not in the first two round Anthony Jennings out of Alabama, Obama not in the first two rounds. Does that kind of surprise you or is that where you really kind

of thought he was. I have I'm pulling up my notes here kind of on the fly. Here I have Jennings. I have him. I had to have him in the second round. There have you seen other drafts having him in kind of that middle second round right around the fifties pick. He's weird because he kind of played everywhere. You know, he played everywhere in Alabama, and that's kind of like you're asking a guy now, like he's gonna come in and like he's purely gonna be like a

defensive tackle. Is he gonna play linebacker in some schemes like Jennings, There's a lot of things Jennings can do depending on what team. I think he keeps going back to me like he's a guy who could play both sides. He'd rush with his hand to the ground as well as standing up. What are we running here? And do they need to know before go to the Senior Bowl what they're running a four three or a three four.

I don't think the Cowboys' new coaching staff is going to mobile because a lot of them aren't even officially in place yet. Mike McCarthy's still working on that. You've seen some guys in and out of the building, but there hasn't been anything in the way of official announcements and Mike McCarthy is still putting his staff together, so I know, you know, the scouts in the front office

will be there. I don't know how many of the Cowboys coaches, if any, are actually going to make the trip, which I'm I'm fascinated and a little bit I guess frustrated, thinking like, I don't even know what these guys are looking for yet, because we don't know what their defense is going to be. Are you prepared for a take? I have a take? You always have a take. I have a take? Is it a hot take or a coal pake? Jeff doesn't He deals in att takes. No,

it just takes. Okay, I'm glad the coaches won't be there. Why I think having a new coaching staff who has earned or at least perceived to have earned, less trust with the front office with Will McClay, Let the scouts in Will McClay draft. Let them do it. Let's be honest. You need like a week here in the start to figure out how to get from the cafeteria to your office. Anyway,

It's so true, man, I like what you're saying. And there's too many to me, there's too many coaches that have had too much input, And none of these things do we know to be fact. But we know Rod Marnelli was a big Tristan Hill guy. We know that Rod Marnelli was a big Malie Collins guy. Taco Charlton, I think you hear different things. MALIEK. Collins was a pretty good player for being pick sixty seven. I'm not killing him. I'm just I'm just saying, I'm just linking

a coach to players he's got pull in the draft. No, it absolutely felt like Rod had a humongous influence, maybe even more than you would prefer. And it just to me that seems unstable really if you have guys who are preparing for an entire year or in some cases probably multiple years of watching players and getting ready to rank them, and then you bring in coaches and their opinions start altering where guys are on a draft board.

I'm not a fan of it. So if it's going to be left in the hands of scouts and you're defacto GM, Will McClay signed me up well, And also McCarthy in Green Bay, Ted Thompson kind of ran the show, and you wonder if McCarthy had those conversations with Stephen and Jerry before he took the job. I could see him getting involved. We're talking about offensive players. Doesn't really feel like the Cowboys are probably going to be hyper

focused in on defense. You would put their first couple of premium picks except for when they draft Rugs at seventeen. But yes, other than that, I was gonna ask that question here in a minute, Randall, which real quick, Sorry, but I'm curious. I want to get back to this. We were talking about Justina. Thank you, I'll get it. It's too six, three, three or four. You're saying he

can do a little bit of everything. But I think if we're talking about defensive tackle, and that's definitely an early focal point, where do you put Tristan Hill in that situation? Because as disappointed as you might be by year one, he's still here. Yeah, I would pretend that he's not. No, and I don't mean that like, I don't mean like I'm cutting him today. I mean that

I would build my team. Like if you're building your team saying, guys, we already have our starter at three technique, I would say, why what did you see from that? Like you can hope for progression and you can hope that he becomes that, but hopes a really bad strategy. Yes, So if the best player, or if you have a good player available with one of your picks that you like, that's a three technique, then Tristan Hill will get in where he fits in and the other guy's better, he'll play.

And you think of Tristan Hill, I think we should all think of him as a third round pick. I mean, he was still late in the second round. And how many times do you probably where they had him graded? Yeah? Probably? And then how many times did you go out of your way to make things comfortable for a third round pick that it just doesn't really happen in the NFL. We see third round pick sometimes get cut. That's a good point. I just think of it, and you're right,

that's totally fair. Is like, you want him to develop and be capable of being your starting three technique. Probably not a good idea to bank on it, but I guess in my mind, I'm thinking, I'm thinking ahead. It could be MALIEK. Collins, it could be somebody else. You could sign a three technique free agent, have him pair with Tristan Hill at the three and then draft a one, although obviously the Cowboys don't do that very often slash

ever they might. Now I'm I really I want to talk to these coaches and see what site sort of insight we can glean from them about what they would be willing to do in the draft. With them not

going to the Senior Bowl. And you mentioned that, and that's not official by any means, they still could potentially be going to the Bill, but with them at the moment not going the Senior Bowl, let's just assume that does that give an advantage for these scouts to get such a headstart they've already been looking at it, like

Jeff said, for even a couple of years. Or is that a disadvantage saying, hey, they're only going to have about a month to look over these guys, and the kind of reports that the scouts in the front office

has been able to comply. I think it's important to remember the amount of legwork that the scouting staff does on these guys, Like the Senior Bowls a fun chance to get your measurables down right, check in on guys, get some phone numbers if you need them, and and and it it makes a difference to see guys in person. But like the Cowboys have a scout who have been who's been watching like everybody here for at least at least four months, if not way longer than that. Um So,

I don't know. I don't know that it helps them that much. I think it's just a chance to cross check and their head of it. In the Senior Bowl, a lot of these guys were guys who could have potentially came out last year. So like they've been you know, they've checked off, you know, they've done a lot of work on these guys. But I am fascinated by the Senior Bowl because some of the positions that the Cowboys need to you know, maybe can't take a look at.

And then just in general, we've talked about some of the storylines in the draft, quarterback and even the wide receiver class, which is maybe the best in the history of the world. Like I'm actually gonna backtrack from that a little bit. I think there's a lot of good receivers. I think when my guests would be when we compare this to twenty fourteen years from now, it's not going to be better than that. I think it'll be the

best top twenty wide receivers. Yes, Like at the very tip is how many guys are you willing to bank? Are gonna be legitimate? Fourteen was disgusting? Who wasn't? Who was in fourteen? Mike Evans, O'Dell Watkins, Watkins was there? Count Hopkins? Fourteen? Let's pull it up? Yeah, I got you, I got you, buddy, because there it was silly, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandon Cooks, Kelvin, Benjamin Marquis, Lead, Jordan Matthews, Paul Richardson starting to not be as impressive,

Davante Adams, there we go, Cody Latimer, Alan Robinson, Jarvis Landry. Yeah, uh you're not. It could definitely. I think it's deeper. I think it is deeper. I think there's ten guys in this receiver class that are gonna be good NFL players, And I think there's something for everybody. Like if you need a slot guy, you're gonna have it. If you

need a big guy, just get a big slot. There's a lot of it's very funny, and I'm actually starting to kind of find a few guys in the tight end class that I like a little bit to get there. So I'm like starting to find some guys there. You found some tiny schools, didn't you Tiny schools they get a bounce house, you like the guy Absolutely silly. We mentioned it. The underclassmen deadline is tomorrow, so there's even another day for guys to figure out what they're doing.

But these are just underclassmen coming out. Ceedee Lamb Oklahoma, Jerry Judy Alabama, Henry Ruggs Alabama, T Higgins Clemson, Lavisca Chennault who was like my early favorite dude before the season even started. Jalen Raiger from TCU, Justin Jefferson l s U, kJ Hammler. I know there's a lot of people in Cowboys Twitter that are big fans of Hay out of Penn State. Dud's a bore. Oh my goodness, Lynn Bowden junior, who was my pet Cat of all

pet Cats quarterback running back receiver Donovan People's Jones. That's not that's not even everybody. There's nineteen underclassmen receivers coming out the Senior Bowl wide receiver group that we'll talk about here in a little bit is so stacked that you're sitting there going okay. So there were guys who got left off of the Senior Bowl, like they just didn't make the cut because they can only take a certain amount of people. Mims, Colin Johnson, Juwan Jennings. These

are all Senior Bowl guys. This is the Minnesota series. Tyler Johnson, Wow, didn't make the Senior Bowl. I was all the way in Florida. I didn't know Clay Chase, Claypool, the Notre Dame receiver was going to Mobile. That's exciting, It's it's it's kind of deep. That's good man. You know what I need to I need to get off of this Henry Rugs train because there's gonna be there's gonna be a stud there in the third round Michael Gallop style, and you won't find a safety or a

defensive tackle or even maybe maybe even cornerback. Dries up a little bit the further down you go, like, that's gonna run a four flat and then somebody's gonna accidentally take him before they take Cede Lamb, and you're gonna pick Lamb at seventeen. Well, you can also see just off of Dane has been putting out there in mock drafts and everything, I mean, safety secondary is premium in this draft, it's not a very deep class. It's very top heavy, but it's not a top heavy as receivers are,

but the receivers still have some depth to it. You could get a receiver not even in the third round. Dave, I would stretch it to say, fourth or fifth round, got guy that could be in there and legitimately contribute. I think I agree with you, but I always have to see him well, I lean to. I mean, of course you can get lucky Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick. But it's I always say, it's only I think it's only reasonable to expect like your first three

picks to be starters. After that, it's kind of a crapshoot. I think. I think, yes, absolutely, you expect third round players to be starters. It's a lot I hope at the very least run pick if you're picked, if you're picked in the top one hundred in today's NFL, with how much these guys get ready for the league before they even declare, then I think it's reasonable to hope you can start. MALIEK. Collins did it, We mentioned him. Michael Gallup was a Day one starter as pick eighty one.

I know if I thought, man, Cheeto, Well, Cheeto didn't start immediately, but he was hurt during his rookie training camp. But Jordan was the third under though, Yes, that poor guy. And after years and he happened too short, I guess, But after years, you go, man, if he was starting the whole time, maybe what would have happened. But then there's there's your scenarios like Chaz Green and Connor McGovern, who are third round picks. Sure, which you go, you

know those are a future type picks. Yeah, but I do, I mean he's not. He wouldn't have taken Connor Williams's job. But I wonder what Connor McGovern could have been if he'd had a season this year. Yeah, that his boob bright, Yeah, if he had his called a peck scientific terms, I get confused. Yeah, I just I'm not sure. Well, we're gonna address quite a few of those questions that we kind of hit throughout this first segment. Twitter on the

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We'll pour out our forty for those guys. Here you go. Well, we've got a slew of questions already on Twitter, throughout all the Twitter. I guess all the tweets that we threw out this morning and last on Twitter, from the Twitter, from the Twitter on the twenty and that kind of thing. Let's start things off with Jeffrey Sheeter. He says, I know it's early, but who are some of the pet cats for you individuals? If any I'll start pet cat? Is it a tight end from a small sit, it's not. Well,

you know you can have multiple pet cats. Sure, I believe that you can. If you see a guy who's not being talked about enough and the draft orld that you can rescue and make him you're a pet cat. You can rescue that player. Mine is a Meek Robertson. He's a cornerback from Louisiana Tech. He is about five eight and a half, maybe he'll come in at five to nine. We have fingers crossed for that. Fourteen interceptions in three years, and you can see it on tape.

You see his zone instincts, his ability to move, He's got good range and he can cover in man. He's gonna get big bodied by you know, the Michael Pittman's of the world, who are huge guys, like he's gonna get big bodied by those guys. But he's got a little Jordan Lewis to his game. And you see the ball finds him. The ball finds him, he will go who get involved in tackle a little bit, trying to punch the ball out. But look, we've been talking about

getting turnovers for years. Fourteen interceptions in three years, and you can see him play both man and zone and look comfortable doing it. So a Meek Robertson not gonna be a Singer Bowl guy, but he is. Really he's a tiny guy. It's my pet cat earlier on Louisiana Tech cornerback. If you get a chance to watch him play, go do it because he's awesome. Tore up the conference USA for a number of years, absolutely, which you know, I don't know if that's like a yeah, I guess

it is. Okay, that's a good sense of compliment. Yeah, it's not like I tore up the SEC for multiple years. I mean, fine, okay, but yeah, just because you didn't play in the SEC. CO turnovers turnovers pick is impressive no matter what league you're in. Yeah's next pet Cat. I'll throw Actually you already named him Katie because your guy couldn't handle him. I'll throw up Michael Pittman. They didn't play against each other. Reference. It's like, man, I

didn't catch the laptech game. But if you're telling me that that happened, I'm with you. Yeah, I was just referencing the Godzilla of wide receivers. Yeah, but the Godzilla of wide receivers doesn't move like a godzilla. Michael Pittman like gets No, there's no hype around a USC receiver who had one hundred catches almost thirteen hundred yards in

double digit touchdowns. And maybe it's because it took him the full four years to sort of become that player, and he never had a stat line anything like that.

He just kind of got better and better as he went, but the finished product from USC, I think Michael Pittman, for a guy who's six three six four, moves like a guy who's six one six two wow, and does a lot of the things that you really value in wide receivers, whether it's go get the ball in the air, whether it's track the ball over the shoulder, the ease

of his movements. So so far are the guys I've watched because for me, pet Kat is like I didn't hear people really hyping a guy up and then I watched them one oh, which for me, that was Michael Pittman. It's funny because if USC football is good, then they're gonna be like the epicenter of college football. We saw that, you know, way back with Reggie Bush blah blah blah.

But they're not good. They're not good. And when you're not that great and you're stuck out on the West Coast playing games at nine, ten, eleven, twelve o'clock Central and Eastern time, you get lost in the shuffle, which is I know there were a lot of people that thought he deserved to win the bullet and a coff Award, So I'm not surprised to hear that he's graceful. Michael Pittman is a very graceful player because you lightwood. Jeff said that he doesn't move like he's you know, a

little bit smaller. When you see it, you're just like, Okay, he's standing over this cornerback right now, and you think he's going to be kind of a slower than he is. His speed is going to matter. Can you go in the end of a jump ball? Oh my god? Yes, I mean that's his probably his best trade, I would say, But it's also extremely reliable, as Jeff mentioned, hundred one catches.

I mean, and there were times when you watch on tape where he's kind of like in the scramble drill working back to the sideline to build the quarterback out because of play had gone wrong at USC, which happened a lot this year. So, like, I mean, it was a very reliable guy, and I think he could make an impact immediately I mentioned him at the top of the show. I'll just stick with him. I want to. I want to find some corners and some safeties that I love, But right now I'm just enamored with Lynn

Bowden Junior. The Kentucky everything. He's a wide receiver who had to play emergency quarterback most of this season, and nobody could do anything with him. I love his contact balance is incredible. I love the way he runs. I love the way he sheds tackles, his power. Like he doesn't really look like a receiver at all. He looks more like a running back. I think you could do a lot of really fun stuff with him like he I mean, he can do all the traditional receiver stuff,

but he could play some running back for you. He could play some wildcat. He would be so much fun for anybody to have on offense. I don't know that he would be there for the Cowboys all the way at pick fifty one. Yeah, but he's a hell of a football player. Not in terms of like a comparison, but in terms of usage. I mean, the two names that come to mine are Taysom Hill, the way he's used to do everything in New Orleans. That's a point.

But also I think Dane had compared him to Braxton Miller, which kind of he kind of flamed out in the league. But remember Braxton Miller's quarterback days. It's kind of see the same type of thing where you can run it to him, but he's got a little more weight on him than Braxton Miller's. Likexton Diller's flimsy dude. This dude's

two kind of a bigger game. He does not look like what you would imagine a receiver to look like like he really he looks more like a running back, a smaller running back, but still he also how tall is hen't have been playing quarterback but he had no Yeah what happened and he's still like he still had like an All America caliber season playing out of position all year. He's six foot six one. Okay, it's always you know, I want to get the real measurements because

colleges like to lie. Yeah, for sure, he's around there. What yeah, little bit. Only if you're if you're short, if you're actually six three, they'll let you stay six three. But if you're six foot six three, well sometimes I think that's six three is to cut off folks, it's sixty three. They're like, that's good. Yeah, yeah, but if you're right, keep you at six three, six fours. If and my pet cat or wait, no, no, go ahead, okay, well my pet cat, I tweeted about yesterday, colleague Kareem

from Notre Dame. He's an edge rusher. I've heard this name in Troy, Michigan, and I hadn't really heard anything about him prior to me watching tape yesterday and I was really in press six four two sixty five. The guys lean he's a senior. I'm in I'm in love with the size in his build. You can put a hand in the ground, he can stand up on the out side as well. Uh, just his build really kind of it excites me. But also the way that he gets inside offensive tackles. I think, I think he gets

underneath these guys. The one knock to him is the fact that he can't necessarily go to the outside a whole lot. I think because of that, he's probably gonna be a early day three, maybe late date or I think I got it. I've got it in a round three because I do. You think he's solid? Yea, and him he can reach anyone. I mean he could go reach believable a cup of coffee at the other end of the table, stretch armstrong, and he's get really long arms.

The twitch is not there though, the bend is not there. But he's any solid player. Yeah, Um and a guy who can also you know, probably move inside and red rush on third down from a defensive tackle position if needed. So I think he's a solid player. Um, but I kind of have him you know, third round grade and kind of late early round four type grad. I like him a lot, I really do, and I think his his workouts will probably decide where he's gonna be taken.

But as the same time, like it's so early that I don't know if I've found that one guy that I've seen and that has really kind of at least caught my eye and been my quote unquote pet cat. But he's definitely number one on the list. Have time to make an official These are justiny. Yeah, there you go. These are pet kittens, liminary cats. Okay. So kind of sticking with the secondary theme, of course, we talked about Dane mentioning this earlier in having the defensive tackles early.

What about secondary in day two? Is there anybody's safety's corners anybody that you guys have your eyes on. This question comes from Cowboys Nation. I think my favorite safety be exactly. I think if Xavier McKinney ends up going, he's for the safety from Alabama if he ends up kind of in delpit territory. And I don't think it's crazy to think that Xavier McKinney would go as the first safety in this draft. No, no, So I think you start to go to Ashton Davis is the next

guy on my list. He's from California. Like him a lot too. Yeah, he's he's really fun and I think he's six one two one. He's a little older prospect. He's gonna be twenty four. You know, it's the season gets going next year, you're gonna have a twenty four year old. But he can play free safety, comes down in the box. He shows the range to play free safety, but he's got really good speed and also you see the instincts. You can see him make plays on the ball.

I think that the game against Oregon where he intercepts Herbert, he makes a play where he's basically got a good relationship with both routes and you can just see him move and dive to the middle of the field and make a play. Like Ashton Davis is a guy. The thing that you're kind of asking out of him is how physical is he going to be in the run? Is he going to be a good tackle. He'll throw his body around, but will he finish off tackles? But I got questions about delpot when it comes to saying.

So there's a there's a lot to like it in Ashton Davis. He can also man up in the slot when asked to do it. He can do a lot for you. I like him. I've got him in the second round. But you know he's a little bit slender, and I think that's where you kind of go, Okay, what am I asking him to do? Am I asking him to be the over the top free safety type guy? Because I think he can do that. You start asking him to come down in the box like we've asked safeties to do. All kinds of safeties to do here,

whether it be Zaviorwoods or Jeff Either or whatever. You start asking him to play close to the line of scrimmage. I start to have my concerns about him, But I like him as a free safety, and I think you know who knows the with how the depth of safety in this draft. Maybe he rises. Maybe he's late first round guy. So he's a guy would have my eyes set on at fifty one wherever the Cowboys are picking. In Ron two. Yeaham, he's a guy would like to

fall to me there. But you know last year they had a pretty good safety fall to him in that territory too, and they didn't even go there. You got to do that. It's kind of come up. They had a guy in mind, they had a guy in mind. It's like the new T J. Watt Taco conversation, like it's gonna come up. Do you have a good handle on how deep the safety class is a good handled? No? Uh handle? Yes I have. And we'll talk about this in a minute when we talk about the Senior Bowl.

Here's my list of safeties in owner Ready Grant Delpitt. Okay, and my second round safety is Xavier McKinney Ashton Davis from California. Third round safeties. I have very limited film on him, so I'm putting him there now just for fun, and then we'll move him because he's gonna be at the Senior Bowl next week. The Small School Guy. You'll find the YouTube clips Hold on the Small School Guy,

The Small hold on Kyle Dugger Lenora rhyme uh. And you're gonna have fun if you go watch his tapes, if you go watch his two pieces of film on YouTube. I have never heard of this school in my life. Yeah, well you you probably haven't heard of any of his opponents either. But you know what you look for when you have the small school guy. I want the guy to look like a dad playing against a much eight

year old shirt up basketball. Sure, and he does kind of do that, okay, and then I Terrell Burgess from Utah, who you can kind of There's another small school guy too in the fourth round. He's a senior Bowl guy, Jeremy chen A's Southern Illinois. He's more of a strong safety tie. So did I hear you say I got seven guys? I got six guys in four rounds. Xavier McKinney is not a first round grade for you. He's a two for me. Okay. The only first round grade

you had was delp It, right, that's right? Wow? How high of a first round grade do you have? Delp It? Just curious. I had pieced them all together like in order, But I don't know if you're that way or not. I've gone full Brugler this year, where I'm gonna cheat and I'm gonna differentiate between a one and a one two. You got to do that, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, because some integrity. This is integrity integrity saying, listen, there's a difference between the guys who were ones and the guys

who were one two. I'm with Jeff, and I have zero safeties as a one, both of them as a one two, because I want to differentiate between if you've got a guy like if um Ceedee Lamb is available, if Henry Ruggs is available on my board, it'll be

clear they're not just all ones. Okay, but there is a differentiator here that that raises a scary scenario where it's it's gonna be the it's a year after year thing where okay, let's just say Xavier McKinney and Grant Delpit being the two obvious first round safeties in most people's eyes at least, well, I guess he's a one two now regardless. But it's a classic case of like, definitely there at seventeen, probably there at seventeen one percent

gone as hell by pick fifty one. Then you have to add a one two category on your board, and it's just easier if you check it out and see what you do is five. You just spread out your one and your two leave yourself a lot of room, Kyle saying this is Kyle. No. Look, Glands, Judy are up right by the one Kyle, and then there's such blank spots in one and then the other two. I'm

so bored right now. So I'm moving on. If the team my board, if the team switches to a three four, what's the biggest personnel need we can get in the draft? That's from Sam Williams on Twitter. The entire D line and pass rushers. I mean that, just draft everyone. You have Tank Lawrence, that's your D line. Yeah, I Tank Lawrence that you're doing he is three four, Well, he's a front five. I trust, I trust, I trust Tank

could do it. No, I believe you could too. But you still need three defensive tim You would need another edge rusher. You don't like you do not have a guy that you don't have any of the front three. You don't have a nose. You definitely definitely do have a nose. May maybe a healthy Tyrone Crawford could play three four end. That's what he was drafted today. He definitely could do that. That's what he was drafted. If you'd love it, No, Well, every time he had to

play D tackle and deal with multiple people. He seemed like his body didn't have any options right now. Though. Yeah, that's a great point point, Yeah, is that or go somewhere else? Who else on this team? I mean, I mean, I'm moving Jalen to edge rusher to three four outside linebacker, and I will bring back I'll try to bring back Sean Lee if he wants to come back to play inside with Layton, or I bring back Joe Thomas, who could play inside into three four great Daniel Wise has

played a three four endre we go. Okay, so you're saying we could pitch this together with duct tape and they're doing that, that's kind of that's harsh. That's harsh. You will, Okay, their defensive one right now would be what it would be, Tank and Dorn's arm Strong. I mean, Antoine Woods and Tristan Hill. They will bring we're patching it together. They will bring some guys back. If I just I just have this feeling like if they stick in a four to three, I mean, it's realistic to

me to think Robert Quinn could be back. I don't think that's I don't think that's crazy at all. I don't think I don't think it's crazy either, But how much money did he make this year? Like, if you if you look at the nerd stuff, it's two years in a row, he's had the best pass rush win rate in the entire league and this year translated into eleven and a half sacks. Right, he's gonna come here

for two years and twelve million dollars? No, you, I think you would have to mean you're gonna have to pay him a decent sum of money, but hopefully sign your quarterback franchise Robert Quinn in transition Byron or transition. Yeah, I forgot about that. Then let Byron go draft a corner. Oh my god, yeah, sumber three four. I do think you need to have a nose. I think you need to have an effective And I don't feel like you're saying, hey,

Antoine Woods, go get it, like that's where you start going. Okay, is Derek Brown falling to pick eight or nine? And then then am I going up to make plays? You you're draft, you're training up to draft a nose tackle and a three four that would be insane. After watching this team refuse to spend any resources on a nose, it seems weird. Right, So I would say, don't change it. I show some three four looks every once in a while.

I do like in the sense of, okay, let's just imagine they're patching a three four together with their current personnel. They don't have a guy that fits like the zero technique. Nos, No, they don't. You'd be sacrificing Antoine Woods and you'd be like, go try your best. They would have to sign or draft to get the beauty of it is you don't have to be anything. I mean, you can have a base and that's what you are. But you can show three four that, you can show four three looks, and

you can try to piece it together somehow. Um. I mean, I would like you to commit to something, but haven't we been asking them to change things up? So show me some different looks. I'm okay with playing some three four because I do think Jalen could rush sometimes. I don't want him rushing there all year longs. I don't know how that knee holds up, But like, I do like him rushing and think about him in a three four look that I think that could be fun. Yeah.

Sticking with the defense, though, West can trail real quick question our final one asked, should this team look to draft a linebacker basically in either scheme? Is that an opportunitall? I think what kind? I mean? Are we talking like a rush linebacker? Yeah? Probably if you're not gonna move Jalen. I mean, we don't know because we don't know who they're gonna sign, right, Yeah, we don't know what they're

gonna do in free agency. And like, at this point, the only thing I would say about the draft is they need to let it come to them where you're gonna have enough needs. Yeah, where if it's like, hey, we've got to get this, No, no you don't, because what you've got to get right now is at least one d tackle, at least one d end, at least one safety, at least one corner, probably a tight end somewhere. You need a lot. So just let it happen. But

I think it's it's worth noting that don't ignore linebacker. Ye, just because you've paid one big money and one was a first round pick, you've got an uncertainty with the neck. Which but I will say, but like at something and I know, like I get it, hope it is not a strategy. But like at some point, I've got a trust that my first round pick who was an all Pro win healthy and my second round pick who I gave a bunch of money to. Like, Yeah, I've got

a trust that they can handle the workload. That doesn't mean ignore it. I feel so comfortable saying that either Sell either Shan Lee or Joe Thomas will be here in twenty twe to have them both back. I'd be fine with that too, both and then we know this team. And again, the coaching staff is different, but over the years they love drafting linebackers. Not always a first round or second round pick, but Day three special teams get

Anthony Hitchins, Damian Wilson, Kyle Wilber, Markins. I love picking a linebacker when they could be picking a starting nose tacklers. But I definite like, I think there's something to be said they really do. Man, there's something to be said for like the Luke gif for type who can play a bunch of special teams and fill in. So no, I don't think you can afford to ignore linebacker. But I don't think it's a great idea to spend a huge resources on it unless you're talking about an edge rusher,

which we don't know that yet. I mean, if they switched to three four and drafted a three four edge like a Calavon Chaser guy, that's fine with me if that's what they want to do. But if they're sticking in a four to three, I don't think they could afford to day. Wait, noth's fine. He's fine. Wow, he's more of a one two. It's coming around. I don't want to make this about LSU, but like, go watch the final like five games of the year. He was

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at the Star in Frisco. Kyle, you almost Jeff Kavanaugh along with Katie and Dave Hellman. Glad you're with us on the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft show presented by Miller, Like Katie, Senior Bowl coming up next week. It's gonna be a fun one. What do you got in store? They have been kind of focusing on the Senior Bowl guys. Before things get going next week, let's start with quarterbacks. I think the big thing to have six quarterbacks on the roster, and it's actually gonna be a big week.

I think in the years past, there's been some guys that have gone to the Senior Bowl where I've kind of gone, Okay, I'm not terribly interested in the quarterbacks because you like the high end guys. I'm kind of like, like Broadest Houston be He's like, hey, let's do with quarterbacks last when we would watch chairs, because sometimes there's a lot of bad quarterbacks and you don't want to really watch a lot, especially I mean, this team doesn't

seem to need one one. Nothing's more exhausting than watching a bad quarterback. Yeah, but from watching from from big time, you know NFL Draft storylines, three guys have really are going to have everyone's attention next week. Justin Herbert of Oregon, Jordan Love of Utah State, and Jalen Hurts of Alabama all there. The other three quarterbacks are Montez of Colorado, Shay Patterson of Michigan, and Anthony Gordon at Washington State. Your tone is so dismissive. Anthony Gordon had some moments

this year. They did He's not a bad player game coming from He's the garden Gardner minshow's special, baby? Yeah, that could work right, the day three guy who gets to start when a quarterback gets hurt. Yeah, I mean yeah, I could see that. I'm not saying he's like a first round pick, but I was impressed with a little that I've seen of him. So mulible as all get out to Herbert and Love, ye know, they're the big guys, and that's when you're looking at the teams that might

need quarterbacks. But also if you think about where the Cowboys are picking at seventeen, you want those guys to go blow it up and have a great week because you want four quarterbacks taken before you pick at seventeen. I don't think that's likely, but we got a lot to find out about Jordan Love and Justin Herberts. I say you don't think Jordan Love could go before seventeen, I think absolutely could. I think Herbert absolutely could. I don't think it's crazy to think either one of those good.

Oh I'll bet you right now that Herbert's gone before seventeen. Okay, I would be surprised if he's. Lady see him both being gone before seventeen. Why the Cowboys get Javon Kinlaw. I am done done betting against teams willingness to take a chance on a quarterback because we just saw Daniel Jones go in the top ten, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray. We're number one overall picks. Teams love overdrafting quarterbacks. Now

I love it the wide receiver group. I think the wide receiver group is going to have a really good

week against the secondary group. If you look loaded these wide receivers, Brandon Ayouk of Arizona State, Denzel Mems of Baylor, Michael Pittman, who we talked about a little bit earlier from USC, kJ Hill of Ohio State, who I think is a really good slot wide receiver, ant Antonio Gandy Golden of Liberty who's a big oh dude, Devin Duverney of Texas, and I've got a history of trolling Texas Longhorns, but Devin Davernet is really good. Yeah, He's fun to watch.

And then they have Brian Edwards of South Carolina, Colin Johnson of Texas. Juwan Jennings of Tennessee is the most hair on fire player I've ever seen, the yack God himself. He is incredible. Van Jefferson of Florida, James Prochet of SMU, Chase Claypol of Notre Dame, and then Collijah Lipscomb of Vanderbilt. He had a really good year last year with eighty seven catches, and then his production completely fell off last

year because that whole team was really bad. The production fell off for the running back end, the tight end. Jared Peakney tells you a little bit what you need to know about Vanderbilt, what was going on there. Lipscomb

is a really good player. I mean, these are all guys who I think can all get drafted in the first four or five rounds, and they're all going to be at the Singer Bowl proving what they have and they all have to also go up against all these underclass and when it comes to draft time, which and am I a mean person? And I watched the many prospects as you, it doesn't seem like the dB field is quite as loaded. Let's go there. Cornerbacks, you know, good cornerbacks? Yeah, do it. Jeff Gladney of TCU. I

love Jeff Gladeny of TCU. UM. In fact, he's my number two cornerback right now, behind who behind um? Who's number Okuda then Gladney H Christian Fulton lsu. Um, he's gonna have a big week, and especially getting picked down in the National Championship Game a little bit. It's really interesting to see how he holds up. Troy Pride junior of Notre Dame. Then you go Aj Green of Oklahoma State, Dane Jackson of Pittsburgh, Troy Pride junior. I like him. He's five to eleven. I got a third round grade

on him. Um. I think he's got a chance to stay on the outside because he does play pretty physical out there, so I think he's very interested. He was not challenged hardly at all from Notre Dame. Right, Yes, Troy Pride. You watched him yesterday and I wasn't impressed. Well, I wasn't. You're not gonna see a lot. You have to really find the bulls they are thrown to him because they didn't throw at him. See more of a

finesse corner than a physicality corner. And then the safety's Ashton Davis, who we talked about a little bit earlier from California. Kyle Dugger. That's the big safety to watch. If you're a Cowboys fan. You're tracking them from lenoora rhyme. But you're gonna watch him go up against some big daddies. So this is gonna be fun, that's I mean. And that is the fun of the Senior Bowl. Yeah, man, Lenora Ryan going against guys from Baylor, USC, Ohio State,

Notre Dame, Texas, you name it. He's gonna be doing it defensive tax scared pretty ridiculous too. Javon Kinlaw is going to be there. Um, I thought he pulled out? Did he did he pull out? No? Don't think so? Okay, might be. I don't know how much he's gonna work out. He should, he doesn't, he doesn't need to do anything.

Uh Gallimore from Oklahoma. Don't don't say that though, man, because it's like every year these guys go and compete and and more often than not, if you go and put three good to days of practice together, you're gonna help yourself. Well, Like, if Aaron Donald's not too good to go to the Senior Bowl, then Ken Laws shouldn't be. I'm just pro what's the worst that could happen? Guy? So I'd be like, Hey, we're going in the first round,

what's the worst that could have Yeah? And I get and I know, I mean get blocked or we could get hurt. Guys get hurt, I get it. But it's just fun to see these guys square off against each other in a setting like this. There have been some whispers about a knee, so yes, something to watch. Keep that just on your radar. There can't have nice things, can never have nice things. Neville Gallimore who we talked

about from a Gallimore who we talked about from Oklahoma. Jeff, your guy who're watching right before the show started, Leaky foe two right there from Utah. Okay, you're gonna be there. Defensive tackle. That's gonna be fun. Yeah, if you want to move him, good luck. I mean nose tackles who don't really rush the passer. What's the value? Cowboys can definitely use the value to three four. They could use that in a four three. That's what they've lacked that forever.

And I would argue it frees up your linebackers to make more play. I'm a mini Rod Marinelli. I just want to see a little bit of juice any any flashes up sometimes, but for the most part, I think that Utah man is a I'm going to stand in this region and I'm not going anywhere. I'm not letting my bros make some play. Yeah, I'm gonna be right here.

I'm gonna take up space. Where can I get this guy? Like, I'm not drafting him in the first two rounds right, Like I would grade him as if I was picking late in the third or if I'm picking in the fourth round, then sign bring me up. They do need that, they might not need it so desperately to draft him high. Maybe to watch the Baylor guy. I want to see if I can find a different fat guy that I like. No, that's the guy. Keep forgetting to watch him, to wat

him last night Rick Juan Davis. No, I'm talking about their nose tell the Shrine Bowl right now. Uh maybe thinking I just know him talking to big twelve people. I think he blew up a guy on social media yesterday and one of the practices. Yeah, he's supposedly the lynchpin. Even though the defense I have a defense, I had to have good news for down the line, defensive tackle guys like one technique guys who we've been begging them to do that, Like, hey, these guys fall because they

aren't always three down players. Three guys to keep an eye on. I have day three grades on, but I do like these guys and they will be at the Senior Bowl. Ray Kuan Davis of Alabama he's six six three fifteen, but he is stiff as all get out. I mean he is like you sit there and go, man, these measurables, but he just doesn't move very well. Davon Hamilton of Ohio State, he had six saxes of one tech and he's kind of a pocket pusher. And then fifth round fun name right here. He's a little bigger,

but he's got a little poonaford to him. And I know you're a big poonaford guy. Were all poona guys. I think Benito Jones of Old miss I like, now he's six one, three fifteen and he's kind of got some bad weight on him, a handful of dirt. That's a six one three fifteen. I mean, if you're gonna wait three fifteen, you want to be two or three inches tall all nine. And actually the website that I was looking at him at three twenty nine, I can't I can't wait to see him standing next to Rayquon Davis.

That's gonna be like the old Sean Bradley Muggsy Bots picture. Oh my god, what happened? So Benito Jones of All misskeep an eye on him. So there's your defensive tackles. The tight ends we need do tight ends? Yeah, some tight ends. Okay. Bryson Hopkins of Purdue. I like him because he can block a little bit too. We'll go over the middle, makes some tough catches. Small school guy Jeff Adam Troutman of Dayton, I've heard, I've heard the

name Troutman. Same thing that I said earlier. I need to see more tape on him, because he believe it or not. Finding Dayton tape is difficult, but when you do watch the little bit I've watched of him. One thing that I mentioned earlier that you ask is I really need this guy to look like he's playing against someone about five or six years younger than him. I need him to big brother the small school dude. And he does that. That's why Terik Cohen's my favorite study

of all time. It was incredible, Carolina A and t. It really looked like a college kid playing against bunch of middal scorers. He's not very big either, no he but he was dominating. I gotta give. I'm sorry, Ki, yeah, go ahead, No go ahead, No, you go ahead. I just you gotta give something. I gotta give Jim Naggy like a ton of credit. I mean, this is good. The Senior Bowl has been good for the last four or five years. I mean, you know, they get these

great quarterbacks to go. But this roster seems loaded. Like there are Day one and two picks every position group. Almost there's a let me finish the tight ends. But there's another Day one or two pick that I didn't even mention because he's gonna have a big week. Let's start with Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic. He's kind of Dalton Schultz type, kind of do everything. Okay, I've heard that Harrison before, you know, getting the way blocker guy, but

pretty good hands. I mentioned last week gat my guy from Portland State, Charlie Tumopeia. Okay, I can't wait to see him. Are you in that pronunciation? I typed it out so I feel okay about it. And then here's the guy he went from fifty catches and twenty eight team to twenty catches in twenty nineteen. Oh he got worse. Jared Pinkney of Vanderbilt. Why do you get so much worse because Vanderbilts off on a scarbage team though that was that dumpster. It was worse than just a dumpster.

It was a dumpster. One two hundred and thirty three yards this year, but over fifteen hundred in his career. He is going to cause problems. I think in one on one drills. I like Jared Pinkney and he also I think he can do a little bit when he blocks. He's gonna fall because of his production a little bit. In the draft. I don't know if he should. I have him as a second round grade. I have him as my number two tight end in this draft. So I still feel pretty good about him. So big loloaded

tight end group as well. So yeah, he's like like offensive names out here that you go, man, we need to be thinking defense. But I'm still kind of tree and listen. Yeah, I speaking from experience. I think I've been to this will be my seventh straight Senior Bowl, and it's so much easier to stand out as an offensive player. It, I mean, it's it just is because like it's almost except for like you're Aaron Donald, right, like going on on past rush trails. You'll have those guys, Joe.

I didn't say you can't do it. It's just easier. I mean, if you're a receiver and nobody can deal with you, or I remember skill position, I agree with you. Kareem Hunt was at the Senior Bowl two or three years ago and it just looked different when he had the ball in his hands, Like it's just it's easier for these guys to jump out at you. I know Twitter is going to be losing its mind about some

of these receivers next week at these practices. Yeah, I think it's going to be for these cornerbacks who are down the line, who are gonna have to like maybe Gladden he can hold his own, Maybe Christian Fulton Ellis you can hold their own against these wide receivers. I don't know all covering second round receivers good luck. I don't know if aj Green of Oklahoma State is going to be able to hang if he's got to go

up against some of these dudes. Like I don't know, I'm and I'm not calling him out specifically, I no, no, I get it. You like you know that, well, that's I don't love him at one point in time again and get credit to Jim Naggy, credit to everybody at the Senior Bowl, because like at one point in time, the Senior Bowl was like, okay, like if you were actually that good, you would have left already. And you know, this is a bunch of like round four to round

seven guys out here playing around. That is not the case. In twenty twenty, they win and got the top seniors. Absolutely kind of what it did. Zack Martin and Aaron Donald might have saved the Senior Bowl, I mean seriously that and same thing with quarterbacks and Baker Mayfield, Carson wentz Kyler, Murray, d dak Well. I mean, Dak wasn't as obviously as sure of a thing as a lot of these guys. But isn't that with the Senior Bowls

all about prize you didn't know? I for one appreciate it because it makes go into these practices so much more fun. The same token, though, Cody Kessler tried to ruin the Senior Bowl. I mean that year. I mean I saw him one hope to the water cooler and I said, okay, shut this thing down. Kevin Hogan too, you don't need to have this. Cody Kessler once tried to not win a football game. He's down by two scores and ran the clock out on himself. I still round.

I still remember how vividly mad you were about that. Watching Stanford gave you have season. Down two scores again, six minutes left. Code Kes throws three yard checkdowns and never throws the ball into the end zone until there's nine seconds left. You're down by two scores, Dude, I thought you were about to re enact it. Down by two scores, dude, Yes to all in the end zone six minutes ago, Man four years ago. To his credit, it was an impressive eight minute drive. That hurts his soul.

His completion percentage is super high. Yeah, he was throwing the running backs when he was down by fifteen points. What do you guys to think of Zach Bond of Wisconsin six two two twenty seven. Now here's what's gonna happen. Because he is a three to four outside linebacker type from Wisconsin. People are immediately going to go. But he is about thirty pounds less than t J. Watt and he's about two which is shorter than t J. Watt. But he'd have twelve and a half sacks last year

at Wisconsin. But he is everything. Trust me, he is a different He is your extremely poor man's Isaiah Simmons, who's a lot shorter and not near his athletic Isaiah Simmons, but in the way that he has used more sacks because he can rush. You can rush the outside, he can blitz a very good blitzer. He can cover a little bit, can to play linebacker. Some team's going to figure out what to do with him, and I'm interested to see what his team. It's the lines and the Bengals, right, yeah,

which team he's on. And then also how they use him. Well that say, hey you're you're you're a edge rusher this week. That is another that's another fun subplot. Who was it? I think it was the Eagles with Chip Kelly drafted Marcus Williams out of Louisville. I remember, not a great pick, Mark, thank you. I'm sorry, Marcus Smith. Point being is half these guys are tweeners between edge rushers and outside linebackers, and these coaching staffs are gonna

have to find something to do with them. So that about is that it? Yeah, yeah, we're passed on now. Jeff's already Jeff's like, I just got another commitment. Okay, Jeff, get on with us. Okay, Well, be sure tape Okay, all right, buddy, be sure to keep up with all the Senior Bowl coverage over the next week. Dave and I will be in Mobile. Kevin will be all over

it no matter where he is. Yeah, we're gonna have Katie and Jeff can't make it to Mobile, but me and Kyle will be doing uh Draft podcast Draft hits from Mobile all week with Lindsay to be on top of it. Lindsay, Yeah, we got you covered. We'll be back on next Thursday at eleven hits all the way throughout the week. We'll be there starting on Tuesday. So for Jeff Cavanaugh, Katie, Dave Helmet, I'm Kyle Yelman. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next week on the Dallas

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