Draft Show: Senior Bowl Preview & Dane's First Mock

on assignment. We'll welcome him back next week as we make our trip to the Senior Bowl. Welcome, my friend. Good to see you again. Hard to believe the All Star season is here. We've the Shrine games going on this week, NFLPA Collegia Bowl. Also this week we have a couple of All Star games already done, the College Gridirons Showcase, the Tropical Bowl, a few others. So but the big one as you mentioned next week in Mobile. Yeah, eager to get down there. And how many Senior Bowls

for you? Well, I've been going to him since nineteen ninety two. Quite a few. Yeah. And Phil Savage and his staff, Phil former general manager Cleveland Browns with with the Baltimore Ravens, and he does a great job of putting together a roster. And I want to get into that, Dane, I really do, because as you said, we're gonna go the whole crew is gonna be down there Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane, like I said, we're gonna be doing

shows down there Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday from Mobile. Looking forward to that as always. But I want to get into some things, Dane, about the game itself, things that you're looking at. Rosters are due out today at noon, but you and I have a really good idea of who is going to be on this roster. Are on both teams roster North South coached by the Houston Texans and the Texans South and then the Denver Broncos is the other one. So yeah, well we'll see that. We'll be

a part of that. But I want to I want to pick your brain again on these on the Senior Bowl and things that you're looking forward to. You know, I'll see if I share some of the same ideas that you have. Okay, Yeah, And I'm actually working on a piece of ten storylines that I'm really focusing on and so we'll kind of we'll go over some of those. One I want to talk about as Marcus Davenport yea, the pass rusher we've talked about before from UT san Antonio,

the basketball background, big athlete, he's powerful. It doesn't quite know what he's doing yet, but just from a trades perspective, hard not to be excited about what he can do. I think he has a chance to make a lot of money at Mobile during the week we've In my mock draft, I had him going top fifteen. He needs a big week in Mobile to kind of cement that status and prove that he belongs in that mid first round discussion. So plenty for him to gain next week.

You're not gonna We're not gonna worry about him testing well at the combine. Are Wait? No, not at all. See that's something some now people and UT san Antonio play. They play good football, ye play. Really, they played good coaches, good coaches down there. Everything's well done down there. So this is not a kid it's coming from a no name program that's going to have to try and elevate his game. I think people have gone through there. You know,

you've seen his talent. Dane's absolutely right. You're talking about a six six, two hundred and fifty two pound. Be interesting to see what he weighs. There's times I've seen his weight fluctuate from like two thirty eight to two fifty two. It'll be interesting to see if if you know this, his season ended, you know, in December, and now he's had this time to get ready for this

football game. And you're right, this is a big, big time for him to showcase some of the things people if you evaluate him, there's people that have him as a defensive end, hand down defensive end. But when you watch his tape in San Antonio, he plays into two point stance primarily, so three four teams will be able to evaluate him there. But now you're going to see him have some pass rushes against guys with potentially with his hand down and that should satisfy the four three

teams that are interested in him. Right, And so you know, people unfamiliar with the Senior Bowl and how that works, it's all base four three, right, you know, they don't do they don't use different blitzes, they don't use three fours. They just use a base four three during practice during the games, so we'll see him with his hand on

the ground almost every snap. And credit to him. You know, he's probably seen his name pop up in first round mock drafts, right, he's you know, heard on social media people call him a first round pick. But credit to him. He's going to the Senior Bowl with a chance to prove something. Maurice Hearst, on the other end, not going to Mobile, right, and it's hard to blame him. You know, Christian Wilkins goes back to school at Clemson. Maurice Hearst

is pretty much that clear top three technique in this draft. Yes, he's not gonna he's no longer going to Mobile. I understand it. I would have really liked to see him down there. But for a certain extent, I understand it. Some of the best three technique work I've ever seen was Aaron Donald where. Yeah, and like a lot of people, you can watch the pit tape at him and see him against Martin, good competition, but yeah, you watched him against Zack Martin every day, and that was a battle.

I mean, that was two all pro players going at it every single day they're at practice. And you've liked to have seen Hurst who's a guy that you know, we'll get into a little bit later about your mock draft you you uh, you know, I don't mean to spoil the t's but you know, stay tuned about Maurice Hurst and the information you have there. Okay, I do agree with you about Davenport. What else you're thinking about there at at the game? Uh, UCF they've got three

players that would be there. Yeah, And there's a lot of chatter about UCF and the national title and the feated season blah blah blah. But in terms of their pro prospects, they're gonna be well represented. Yeah, on draft weekend and they're gonna have three guys and from Central Florida at the Senior Bowl with a chance to really kind of show that. And the best player prospect from that program isn't there because he's a junior. Mike Hughes

the corner. Yeah. So the players that will be there Shakiem Griffin the linebacker, Jordan Nakins the tight end, and tree Kwon Smith the wide receiver. You and I both we watched the tape on Shakim Griffin together and it's so hard not to just love the kid absolutely, you know, We talked about a little bit on the last draft show what he's had to overcome with not having the use of his left hand. And it's a birth defect if you're listening for the first time, right exactly had

to have an amputated at the age of four. But everything he's overcome. And I think one thing that does show is it's not like he lost his hand two years ago. R had to relearn how to p. It's all he's ever known, right, So I think that does play a part in the evaluation. The biggest thing with Griffin is figuring out his role. Right. I think at the very worst, I think he could be a special teams guy, a guy that just flies down the field, looks to take out walkers, uh and just make a difference.

Can he play a role on defense? Is sub package role as a blitzer? What kind of role is he going to be? I think the senior rowl will help kind of show that. But I think he's going to be one of the names we hear a lot about next week. You know, I mentioned Taekwon Smith though I really liked watching him play. Here's a six one, two hundred ten pound guy, looks like he plays faster than

four or five six. I know that's his time speed there, But I've got a comparison for him when you're when you're done with your Yeah, yeah, I just feel like that this guy's got to burst the ability of just he's physical off the line, a little bit sometimes of cradle. I don't want to worry people there. He's not. He's not a Terrence Williams, you know, type of a cradle and body catches. He does have some body catches, but when he catches it, he'll get north south in a hurry.

And and you know there's things about here's I'm trying to find guys that can separate. I'm trying to find guys that can get down the field. I'm trying to find guys that will catch the football, you know, and be a little bit different again if you're a team. And again, we try and keep the draft show very much an open conversation. Yes, we all work for the Dallas Cowboys, you know, when we know the Cowboys need they could use a player down the field, a down

the field guy that can separate. So we will see if in fact, but I think Taekwon Smith will be a guy that when you look at the receiving corps at the Senior Bowl. He's a guy that his name might jump out the three days that we're evaluating. I agree, A big physical you know who reminds me of is Alan Robinson. There you go at a Penn State with the Yeah, people love Alan Robins. The guy is not going to run really well, but he can. He attacks the ball in the air right and he could be

a deep threat, a big play guy. I did my evaluation on Taquan Smith finished up the tape work. He had forty one catches over his career of twenty plus yards. Yeah, that's that says something absolutely good. Question and so that you see program more than just uh, you know, fun to talk about as being an undefeated team even a lower conference. They have legit NFL. Their tape was outstanding

to watch. Yeah, every player that I had the chance to watch, and again we talk about that the corner there use and and I you know, he is legitimately and I and I bumped into some scouts this morning that we're raving about him as well. You know, the guys that were were here and I just had breakfast with and that's one of the great advantages about working

in this building. Every once in a while you could sit down and have a cheese omelet with a with a scout and you know, I felt like though, you know, I asked about him and it is like, no, this these these are is a legitimate guy. Is a legitimate corner prospect that you have to consider. We've talked about the kid from Ohio State, uh Ward right, if I'm if I met Denzel Ward right? Yeah, not mistaken about him,

but yeah, absolutely another thing that you maybe thinking about here. Well, while we're talking about Trekaan Smith the receiver, I think the another storyline I'll be looking at during practice is the siver position as a whole. YEA, will these seniors kind of show some separation between each other. I think we know we've had a lot of different styles from James Washington to Marcel Aitman, the New Mexico State kid. So I think there's plenty of different styles of wide receivers.

Which one's really going to show out the best in this type of setting. You look at these wide receivers on the roster. DJ Chark, Marcel Aitman, Javon Wims, James Washington, Darren Carrington. I mentioned New Mexico State kid, Juial Scott, Rick Wilson, Michael Gallup, Alan Lazar, Jamon Moore. So yeah, the wide receivers, they're kind of bunched together. They are from the second to the fourth round, fifth round probably who's going to really separate themselves? Like James Washington A

big chance for him on tape the routes. He needs a lot of work there, but he catches everything. That's just everything. And he's another one of those get down the field exactly, can take the top off a defense, tracks the ball really well. So which one of these receivers are going to separate themselves? One name I did not mention unfortunately Anthony Miller from Memphis. He will not be at the Senior Bowl, but still plenty of talented wideouts.

Michael Gallop from Colorado State. Yeah, I want to get into him a little bit about Michael Gallup, and I know that Jeff Cavanaugh, who does work with us and with Kim and Kevin Turner, Michael Gallop to him as a first round type of a player. That is saying something I think that's important. I mean, the reports I had on Michael Gallup though, is what I saw. I mean He's a contested ball catcher. He'll settle down for the ball good with the ball in his hands, he

can adjust for it. He'll go low for it. He can run deeper routes. I mean, you see him get down the field. He could push to get off space and to get space. You know, he could run through double teams. I've seen him take routes inside. I mean, there's a lot of things about Michael Gallop will be at the Senior Bowl. He's a wide receiver from Colorado State. Dane's talking about guys that need to separate. You mentioned Scott from New Mexico State. His best games were against

big time competition Arizona State and Arkansas. How will he take to the pro coaching, you know, how will he be able to adjust? Will things be too big for him on this stage. I can't believe that it would be, because his two best games were against you know, against big time competition. Right, So, yeah, you're absolutely right about those guys. This might be some guy though, just as the receivers go the separation though, there might be some guy that we're not thinking about. You know, it might

have all of a sudden. Cedric Wilson from from Boys State. All of a sudden, you know you got you have a kind of an idea where guys are on the board and Cedric Wilson's tape is not terrible. No, at Boise State. He's interesting because he was a high school quarterback. He wanted to play, he wanted to play quarterback at the college level. H didn't have the testing numbers, didn't have any FBS offers with a JUCO for two years. Moved to wide receiver. So he's still pretty green at

the wide receiver position, still figuring things out. But what you see on tape, he's tall, he's long, tracks the ball really well, shows pretty natural hands a guy that has only been playing the position for three four years. Yeah. I like Cedric Wilson a lot in that in that fourth fifth round range. Yeah. Also just like James Washington could be a vertical threat. See that's the thing about

the Senior Bowl. You kind of go in having an idea of maybe some guys you really like, and then all of a sudden, a guy or two has the type of day was able to put practices together. That's the real trick for the Senior Bowl, though, Are you able to have a good Tuesday practice and then all of a sudden turn around and do it Wednesday and Thursday when all the NFL scouts are in the building and then Saturday afternoon. Find a way to put yourself

in that position. But people think a little bit better. I know this for a fact. When Al Davis was alive that you know, his evaluated the Senior Bowl was like one of the most important games for him to watch. I mean everything started with the Senior Bowl tape. And so you know, there's some teams that still have that type of thought. Maybe not the most important thing, but can you elevate yourself against some of the best names

around the country. And to go along with what you're saying, especially with these receivers, you want to see progression throughout the week. Practice It starts on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Are these receivers taking the coaching that they're getting, implementing it on the field and executing And so it's okay if a player does not have the best Tuesday, but how does you respond on Wednesday? How does you respond on Thursday?

So that's a lot of these college receivers a big reason that takes a big jump at the NFL level is routes, and that's something we're gonna see with plenty of these guys. Can they show some improvements, some progress throughout the week with this pro coach. One on one stuff is fast, it is wide receivers are corners. The quarterbacks will have is It's okay. Not a bad quarterback group, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, the Headliners. So plenty of wide

receiver talent, some decent quarterbacks strowing them the ball. Definitely should be one of the main things to watch this week, next week, what else you got. Let's talk about Dallas Goddard. Can you cement himself as the top tight end in this draft. We're not going to have a few juniors Mark Andrews, your guy, Hayden Hurst from South Carolina, So a few of the juniors, top juniors won't be there, but we will have, uh Goddard, a guy from South Dakota State. He's a chance to prove why he belongs

in that first round conversation as the potential top tight end. Yeah, you know that everybody's kind of talked about guys too, like Fu mcgalley from Wisconsin is a guy that that that people mentioned. You know, I'm starting to hear. I haven't seen Tyler Conklin Central Mission, Central Michigan, but there's been some buzz about him, you know, as far as a guy that, uh that that people need to look

at and then and then a dirt h Durham Smith. Yeah. Fromme, he's that big classic dual threat, uh tight end, a guy that can line up in line. But because so go down the scene. The tight end besides Goddard that I'm looking forward to seeing is Ian Thomas from Indiana, Indiana big fan of ex player. I watched, uh, you know, because I don't do anything else in my life, I

watched Indiana spring game over the summer. Yeah, and Ian Thomas really popped off during this spring game and so I go into the season looking at him and really impressed with what I saw. A jute another juco kid who is just scratching the surface of his potential. So Dallas Goddard chanced to really separate himself as the top tight end, and then Ian Thomas a chance to make some noise too. Yeah. There is there a position though

that you're looking at overall. I mean, you talked about the wide receivers, but is there a I mean the tight ends, wide receiver. Kind of talking about some offensive guys here though, and you know, we made mention of the that Hurst wasn't going to be involved as one of the defensive tackles. We talked about the defensive end

from San Antonio. But is there any other position though that you're saying, like, okay, there's some, there's some really not on the radar guys yet, any corners that you're kind of looking at right there that you might feel like might have an opportunity to make a name from themselves, maybe in some of these one on one drills. A name that immediately comes to mind as Levi Wallace, who, for those don't don't don't know, also one of the

best stories this draft class. A guy who didn't have a single offer out of high school, not a single offer. He's one hundred and forty pounds soaking wet at a Tucson and because his dad was a big Alabama fan, he decided to walk on at Alabama. He was playing flag football his first year there because he was just a scout team guy. Spent his first three years as a scout team guy. Moved into a backrupt role as a junior and then this past year won a starting

job at corner number thirty nine. And when you watch Alabama tape, because you're watching Minca Fitzpatrick, you're watching Ronnie Harrison, Anthony Everett, who will not be at the Senior Bowl. Levi Wallace number thirty one, thirty nine is the one that pops off the screen. Had terrific ball production this past year. I am eagerly he's not going to run really well. He might run a four or five eight

at the combine, but he's really quick. The ball instincts are there, tough, eager to see what he weighs in at. Is he above one eighty five? I don't know. And then I want to see him on the field. How matches up against some of these bigger wide receivers. How does you respond in those one on one matchups? Yeah, I kind of enjoyed watching him him And is it

Averitt right from Anthony Averitt? You know, if you watch the two Alabama corners play, I mean, I'd say it's it's funny to watch how they play sideways though, because it sides that away, but it seems to work for them the way they're able to you know, they get exposed a little bit on the outcuts and things like that. It'll be interesting to see if these coaches will try and square them up, because you do see him play some press man. Yeah, but it'll be interesting to see

if these coaches will try and square them up. How they peddle, how they turn, how do they adjust out of those things. So, yeah, the Senior Bowl is always a great a tool for scouts. It's it's an opportunity to evaluate because of the pads and stuff like that. The pro coaching, So myself, Dane, David Hellman, Nick Eatman, Kent Garrison will all be down there at the Senior Bowl working hard for you to give you that to give you that eye. And it's the last time we

get a chance to evaluate these guys in pads. That's right. You know, we'll see him at the combine, right, and it'll be all about running and start exactly the workouts. There'll be some of that, but this is to be the last time these guys suited up in pads in a football setting. And then one other thing I want to mention about the Senior Bowl is just it's a chance for these small school guys. Yeah, uh, you know

the Ali Marpets of the world. Three Desmond Harrison, the D two offensive tackle from West Georgia, right, former Texas kid field a few drug tests, some other issues winds up at West Georgia. Tell you great athlete, but just the techniques all over the sweet feet sweet feet. No, yeah, you worry about the technical aspect. How will he progress throughout the week against the best of the best At defensive end, uh Fort Hayes has a defensive tackle, Nathan Shepherd.

I want to see, but all these our cornerback or quarterback, the safety that we're talking about, yeah, the Dubuke safety, Michael Joseph, Yeah, a couple of the corner Murray State the corner that's Phil Savage, though exactly Phil will throw some small school guys at you. But that's okay. Let's see these kids compete, because these are names that we're gonna be talking about, you know, potentially day two, you know, most likely day three, right, so you know the draft

show again, that's what we want to do. We want to make sure we give you those names so you have an idea if these kids play well, if you hear names during the practices, whether we tweet them report them. You know, right about whatever we have to do, at least you have an idea. Okay, coming back, we're going to take a little break here from the SWBC mortgage studios. When we come back, we're gonna do a little Twitter

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us creating a show and then creating this segment. Dominic Dane would like to know ideal position pairing for the Cowboys at nineteen and fifty. His is a defensive lineman and a wide receivers. It's a really good question. That is a great question. I mean, the players matter. You know, ideally he's probably thinking and then you're whoever you have Jay Moore, Yeah exactly, Yeah, exactly, it's what he's probably thinking. Because you know, if it's one thing to say, uh,

you know, wide receiver. But in let's say the first round, because I'd love Calvin Ridley in the first sure you would, So you're pairing might be wide receiver. Yeah exactly. I mean I ideally I'm not going offense offense, but that's the way the board falls to me. I think Calvin Ridley would be an ideal fit at the Z He's the ideal fit at number nineteen and then at fifty in Isaiah Wynn, Yeah exactly. Maybe uh Will Hernandez, Yeah, I think one of those two and those are two

starters that instantly make your offense. Oh no, you plug both those guys in and go play exactly. So your offense is a lot better than it was last year just with those first two picks. So for me, it depends on who's available in the play. So in that scenario, I would go wide receiver, gard Would you would you think about taking would you think about we talked about that's Connor Williams. I'm gonna get Connor Williams drafted here.

By the way, I'm gonna figure a way to kind of hell hometown, Kay, trying to get him drafted here and then bring him home. Need if I need to play a tackle, I'll play me a tackle if I have to. Some but any thought about taking again, would Edmonds? You know, would you would you go linebacker? Would you go linebacker? And think? Because of again, we don't feel like that the linebackers. I mean, I've done one hundred and two players now you've done far more than me.

But it doesn't look like the linebacker position is gonna stretch. No, And maybe I have to sit there and think about that at nineteen first, if a guy like Edmonds, I don't think. I don't think Smith is gonna be a ro Quants. I don't think he's gonna be their linebacker from Georgia. I don't, but then again, he might not be everybody's cup of tea exactly under sized linebacker that really kind of plays one position if you think about that.

And we saw guys in the past, Lavonte David and other undersized linebackers not later those exactly because of the size and the measureles and they don't fit in that perfect little box that some teams look for at a certain position. So I agree, I think it is possible either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmonds is there at nineteen and if they are, you gotta be ready yet, can't

go wrong with that. You can't go wrong with that pick, and then you can turn around and once again you could grab that second round if you want to go to the watch sier. I think the wide receiver and maybe cornerback might be the two positions that you could stretch this thing a little bit. And you I think those usually are the two positions. H you know, we see the most quality of the player right right? And does this team did they need a corner in the

first roll? Think we'll think about this, what if you were to play if there were questions about Byron Jones and they thought about playing a Woozier at safety. Yeah, even though a Woozier started for you at left at left corner. Pretty well. Yeah, again, I'm sorry. I mean, this is again Dallas cowboy kind of talk here. But I mean, if you're national, we're trying to talk about other guys too. But but but think about this, if they were thinking about him moving a Wooziator, like playing

as a free safe. We've seen he's a physical enough tackler, sure, we've seen him cover. You could put Byron Jones down. He played some safety at Colorado. Sure he did. In the Green Bay game when he got hurt, he was playing safety. So I mean he could do it. There's no question. And that's something that Favorite Woods is a guy we talked about. Right. We don't know what this coaching staff, how they feel about it. You know, are

they open minded? You know, it is depends on who they add in this draft, whether it's a corner or safety or you know, with all the young guys in the secondary, maybe they focus on d line and linebacker. Yeah. Uh, you know the original question mentioned with defensive line in the first round. Right right now, you're looking at the one technique, which could be drawn Payne or Vita Vea. Yeah,

it could be the three techs. See and we talk about the influence of Rod Marinelli here and the fact that they wouldn't want to take a first round defensive tackle or a nose tackle. Maybe this is bigger than Rod Marinelli. Maybe maybe now it's like you know what, you know, we we've we've kind of gone this route, Yeah, without addressing that spot, and at nineteen, maybe Damn will need to address it. With all due respect to the

defensive coordinator. If I'm the general manager, I'm telling him, listen, tell us the type of players that you want, right, and we'll find them. Yeah, don't tell us where we're gonna draft, don't tell me where I'm a drafts, what kind of players you want. It's gonna fit your scheme and make us a better football team, and we'll get them. Well, we'll add them where we see fit. Right, And so if that's the first round, then that's the first round.

You know, it depends on you know, what this team needs. But I think, yeah, one technique nose tackle should be in the discussion, especially if Payne or Veya is available. Yeah, Okay, Now, Grady, we talk about Viata Veya, the defensive tackle from or nose from Washington. Grady wants to know how far would you go to get him and a trade up scenario, Yeah, trade up scenario. See, you're higher on Vea than I am. I like ya, I do. He's rare, but we see

him as a first round player. Yeah, okay, but if you felt like, okay, say the Cowboys like him like me, yeah, and think he is a top fifteen player, which probably is. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Those traits good. And I'm not talking about going to ten or eleven. I'm talking about going to fifteen. Well, is that where you would feel the most comfortable? If I feel like that's where he's he should sit. Yeah, okay, So you're the general manager,

vitave is available at twelve? Are you called? If he is? If he's my if he is one of my top players on my busy for you, I think there's others I would like that, not a defensive but I'm talking about my stack. I don't know if my stat I mean there might be a guy. Hell, you might like, uh, I mean you might like somebody. I mean we've talked about those linebackers might be there. That's that's exactly the point, because Sievers at pick number twelve, there's a good chance

that offensive linemen, those linebackers are still available. Yeah, and so at that point you still have three or four players you feel comfortable with. Why you you know, you'll need to trade up to get one of them with fall Okay, that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he Grady was just wanting to know though, if you were wiped out, if you're wiped out, the linebackers aren't there, Yeah, the receiver is not there. A little bit of desperation. Yeah, you don't want to take you don't want to take

one of those running backs. We haven't talked about that though. Think about that, I mean one of those running backs. Yeah, there might be a guy there you really like, you know, if you don't window dress your board. Yeah, but you know, they probably wouldn't take a running back now, nor should they because last year the Florida State Dalvin Cook was on their board when they picked Taco right. Well, it's the same thing with you know quarterbacks. Yeah, Baker mayfields

there at eighteen or nineteen. I don't think they should take you phone rings. Then, oh yeah, let me ask you this, would you trade away from you? Would would you trade away from Edmonds or Smith if they were on the board, only if an offer blew me away like a future one. You know, a team trade I don't know, say Baker Mayfield's available, and a team you say the Jaguars or it's a Kansas City run up the board exactly. It would have to include a future one for me to make that move. And even they

still want to pick in this draft? Oh absolutely, yeah. Yeah, there's plenty of death. There's plenty of good players. This draft does not have five top five players or ten top ten players those guys. Yeah, but there's still plenty of talent in this draft. There's plenty of Pro bowlers that will come out of this draft. You just have to go find them. And so I'm not going to completely trade out of this draft, but leave the flat

phone lines open. Let me ask you this, would you be more nervous picking early in this draft or where the Cowboys are picking? I mean, there's whenever you're picking early, there's always bus potential. Sure, but I will always take the higher pick. I mean, I mean, I don't know, I don't mean yeah, I don't mean that in a stupid way, but yeah, I understand what you're But you're saying,

there's not that. There's not those there's not a big it's not it's not okay, it's not uh, it's not Zeke and Ramsey and Bosa and that at the top of that board, right, there's not a huge drop off from who you're gonna get at eight and who you're gonna get at nineteen. Yeah, so by by saying that, I don't need to go get Vida Veya, that's if

that's what you think. Potentially the only thing is is if you get wiped out with Edmunds and Smith and Ridley and yeah, you know whoever else chance you could get wiped absolutely And now I mean you could be looking at one of those quarterbacks, or you could be looking at you know, maybe a running back, because ideally you have there's probably five guys they're gonna really want, okay, and then you have to watch them okay by pick twelve only four or left by pick fourteen only two

or left you know, yeah now now and then now you're yeah, you watch it and you kind of play the odds and say, Okay, what are the chances that one of these few players that we really want is gonna fall to us? They just had to get to the odds, calculate what they're what they're comfortable with, and so it's something that it's it's a little early, we're talking too much in depth about the trade up scenario,

but it's something that we'll be talked about. But yeah, but I'm saying, if you look at the depth of the draft, like you said, if I'm comfortable taking Vita Vea at fifteen, I should be comfortable to try and move up to get him. If I think if I feel like things are getting wiped out, agree, Yeah, I feel like I should. Yeah, Okay, I just want to make sure you're in the same page with me. I don't think you are. But I don't think Vey as much as you. But in theory, I understand. Would Veya

help this team, Yeah, definitely would. Who would help this team more the line take the linebackers out of it. Okay, who would help the team more if they went drafted? Vita Vea, Connor Williams one of those guys. I would take Vita Vea in that scenario. Let me ask you who would help this team. I'm such as who would help this team better? Maurice Hurst as a three technique or Vita as a one technique? Who would have the bigger impact. See that's the thing about it is because

I'm thinking who would have the bigger impact? I think I think hurstwood the three technique. Yeah. But the problem is, though, I got to make sure my guy, Mallie Collins is gonna play the one and he's healthy with the foot exact because that that that affects everything. So if if you say Hurst, then that means Collins is your one and is he gonna be a liability? There is he gonna be played. I'm gonna pull up Ben Rogers on you here. My buddy is for a buddy from one

oh five three. Who's got the bigger bus potential? Between Hurst and Vita Veya, I think it's Vea. And that's what worries me about him because they're off the chart. Because you're thinking about the brownie us and who they took the Shelton Well, no, because I think he's better than Shelton. I just I think I don't when you watch the Washington tape, I just don't always see it. I don't always see the effort. I don't always see the discipline. I don't always see the technique. But you

watch that Stanford game. Oh he's terrific stretch. Oh yeah, it looks like it looks like King Kong making his way through New York City. But when talking about full body of work, that's what worries me a little bit. There are some inconsistencies there. The first Hurst worry a little bit. No, I mean a little bit because he's undersized to eighty eight. Yeah, and we'll see what well, we'll see him at the Senior we'll see what he's the combine, right, but you're hoping he's two ninety five

is what you're hoping closer at two ninety five. Yeah, just shows the ability to put on some weight and good weight. And it's kind of disappointed you didn't see him. You said it earlier. He's not the Senior Bowl. He

won't be on that rod it is. You know, Like I said, I don't blame him, considering with Wilkins going back and I think he's the clear top three technique, but it would have been nice to see him go up against uh, you know your your guy quisin Berry from UCLA, the Center, and some of these other guard prospects that will be in mobile. Bill Snyder wants to know. Tell me a little bit about Justin Jackson, who is

a running back from Northwestern. Yeah, Northwestern running back who this week is down in Tampa at the East West Shrine Game on the third edition of that Shrine game. Yeah, pos House, we got there. By the way, Ford, I need the top prospect. There's Poonaford uh Texas, who should get a call up to the Senior Bowl this week. Yeah, he should be. Is that gonna be the first guy you recommend? Because yes, let me just give you guys

a little hint out there. We're in the press box one day and and two years ago, two years ago, Phil Savage walks in and we're all the scouts are sitting there and Dane Dane recommends Savage. Savage. Savage is asking for me. I need a defensive line down de tackles. We have no one left. Yeah, give me a name. And I was at the Shrine game lat the previous week and Javon Hargrave Hargraves South Carolina State was outstanding. Yeah,

first name I thought of, told Phil next thing. Everything know, the scouts all go yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a guy, Yeah, get him. Yeah. The next day Hartgrave was there and hey, he's been a good player for the Steelers. He has been a good player for the Sea. But I think Puta Ford he's ironically, that's reminds me a lot of Javon Hargraves. Yeah, I think he could get that call up to the Senior Bowl. But Justin Jackson, Justin Jackson, Yeah,

he's a good player. I'm looking over my notes. He's the school's Alton Lean and Rusher ranks Top ten and Big ten history, so the resumes there, a production is there. From a skill set perspective, I just think he's very average, you know, kind of the DAMA doesn't skill set where nothing just yeah, he has decent burst, decent vision, the patience and decision making, it's all average and there's nothing that really stands out about him. Sometimes he's too patient. Uh,

sometimes he will choose the wrong lane. So with Justin Jackson, I think when you're looking at the fifth, six, seventh rounds, he's one of the running backs that if you don't have one yet, you still need one. Not a bad option. Let me ask you this. This kind of sounds like my guy Freeman from Oregon. Am I wrong about him? Kind of a just a I don't diame A dozen is not a very good right thought. I think he's better than that Freeman. But man, he's not exciting. Yeah

that's what I'm watching that. I'm watching him play. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm watching him play and I'm going come on, you know, light me up because all these running backs they'll light you up. Oh yeah, you watch all of you, watch these running backs, they will light you up. Okay, last question here for you on the Twitter on the twenty and thanks for everybody for firing these in. Matt wants to know Micah is it Kissinger? Kaiser Kaiser Michael Kay

Michael Kaiser, Michael Kaiser from Virginia acc leading tackler. Why no talk on him? Yeah, this dude, he's one of the best tacklers in college football. He's led the ACC in tackles the last three years. He also won the Academic Kaisman Award. So he's a smart guy too, and that shows Yeah, Virginia. The biggest issue with Kaiser is just the athleticism. He's a two down player. He's not a guy that you're going to trust and coverage. But as a two down player, as a run defender, he's outstanding,

very good blitzer downhill, uh the closing burst. His ability to his backfield vision to track the ball and be in the right place at the right time is no coincidence. He's just a very bright player and he's a decent athlete. But you can tell when he asked he's asked to cover a running back out of the backfield, it's just no contest. And so that's why for me, Kaisers, So you have him down because just the two down ability really is right exactly. I think I have a fourth

fifth round. Yeah, I have a fourth fifth round on my board. So a good player. It's just you have to know what type of role that he is and he's not an every down player. Is Jewel a little bit that he is? I think Jewels a little that's a linebacker. Iowa right, who We've talked about it at length before. I think he's just a little bit better player. He's more in the second third round race for me. Again,

not a great athlete. I think he can compensate better than Kaiser can with some of the things that he does on the field, So Kaiser's definitely a name to know. He'll be a guy the Senior Bowl Fund guy. Yeah, all right, there you go, thanks for that. That's all good. Okay. When we come back, Dane and I are going to get into some more conversations about his draft mock draft that he posted the other day, So stay tuned. Cowboys fans know that the second best of anything simply won't

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Com Draft Show. Cowboys are on the club. Back here the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us Stain Burglar Kent Garrison executive producing Today. I got one more segment here. On January sixteenth, Dame Burglar put out his very first mock draft. How many mock drafts you do during the year now, thankfully don't have to do as many as I used to do. I did one and before Thanksgiving. That was my first one technically, but yeah, this is

my first one of the draft season. The deadline fro under classman was Monday, so waited till we had an idea of who would be in this draft. And now we know, you know, the Clemson kids, that the events of linemen are out, some of the surprises are in, and so I'll probably end up doing four or five twenty mock drafts. Let me ask you this real quick on this too hardest. You had trouble, if I'm not mistaken, you had trouble place in the running backs and the draft,

in't you? And with mock drafts, you never predict trades because it's just impossible, you know, it's mock drafts are hard enough to trying to predict trades. By the way, folks, it's no fun to do a mock draft. No, I don't find it. It sounds fun, it starts fun, and then by the time you're almost done, it's a labor. It's a headache. Yeah. So because you go in with players that you want to get Darius guys from LSU.

I want to get him in that first round because I think he's a first round player and I think he's a good chance he goes first round. But after the Lions that picked twenty twenty one, thirty two, there wasn't like a clear avenue to put him. You know, a lot of those playoff teams have their running backs or you know there's a more pressing need or you thought they you know, they make going in different directions. So the running backs, besides Barkley. We know Barkley's going

top seven somewhere, right. Besides Barkley, it's gonna be interesting to see where these running backs fall, because we both agree Geis carry on Johnson, Ronald Jones. Yeah, I think those three players are deserving of first round consideration. Taylor Stern asked the question, could we see four running backs in this draft? It happened in two thousand and two thousand and eight, right, and I think based on talent

we could. But when you look at how things play out or the order, I just it was hard to I couldn't even fit two in there. Yeah, it's only one running back made the mock, but I'd be surprised if it ended up like that. Better chance we see a trade or something else happened in there where we see either at least one other running back. Probably guys going the first. Wait, this draft goes for Dane Burgley at least starts. Sam Darnold, the quarterback for USC goes

to the Browns. Giant's take Josh Rosen quarterback UCLA. That's probably how we'll be all season long, right one two, unless what John Dorsey does, Unless someone makes a splash for Kirk Cousins exactly. He's keenum something that The interesting one here is Bradley Chubb, the defensive end from North Carolina State, goes to the Colts at three. I think if you're Chris Ballard GM of the Colts, you're hoping the first two picks or quarterbacks because you want somebody

to come for that pick at three. Yeah. Um, maybe because it colds up. Plenty of needs, plenty of holes they need to fill. You think they bounce. I think that there's they're gonna have a chance to draft the best non quarterback in this draft because of quarterbacks go one two, Yeah, which very likely could happen. Then they have a chance the best draft the best non quarterback.

We don't know about Andrew Luck, but regardless of Jacoby Bursett on the roster, good chance they're not going quarterback at three. Sure, So who's the best non quarterback for the Colts in their eyes? Could it be sae Quon Barkley. Could it be Quentin Nelson helped protect whoever's like quarterback

Quinn Nelson. Both both those players are going to help out the quarterback, whether it's Barkley running the ball, his ability pass protecting as a pass catcher or could be the guard at another name for me in this mock, I want Bradley Chubb, who is arguably the top defensive player in this draft. He's not Miles Garrett in terms of that style of rusher, but he's very talented, those long strides off the edge. He's so good at dealing

with counters, adjusting his plan mid rush, using power, using quickness. Uh, and he just finds ways to get to the pocket. He's much player. You've got the player nails, so I think, and we don't know, you know exactly what type of scheme they're gonna run on defense yet, But with Bradley Chubb, I think you're getting an impact pass rusher who whether you're running a three, four or fourth three, you're gonna make room for him and he instantly helps out defense.

Browns with the fourth pick, which they got from the Houston Texans in the trade for Watson, by right, you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna put another corner in Cleveland. Huh, well he can, Fitzpatrick. They need a corner, They need a corner, But how many years have they drafted a corner that's been just heartbreak. Um, well, I mean justin Gilbert. You know Joe Hayden Say Hayden's worked out for Mean's probably the best draft first round draft pick they've had,

not including this past draft. We'll see about Miles Garrett and the rest of those guys, but Joe Hayes's probably the best draft pick they've had in the last fifteen years. It's crazy, and it with all the picks that they've had, it is crazy. But I think when you look at that pick at four, so if if it plays out with two quarterbacks, then defensive En Browley Chubb at the first three picks. I've heard from a lot of Browns fans that want sa Quon Barkley. Yeah, that's why I

was going to ask you. That's why I stopped. And I get it. Barkeley's an outstanding talent. I think there's no question he should be in that conversation. But what does that help Sam Darnold. Oh absolutely it does. Yeah, And that that would be if I want sa Quon Barkley. That's exactly what I'm saying, Yeah, is how much he can help the quarterback, how much that he'll take pressure off the passing game. But if I'm the Browns and I'm looking at it. I'm John Dorsey. I got Kareem

Hunt in the third round last year. Yeah, this is a deep running back class. Oh, I have talked about that. Here you go, picks thirty three and thirty five, Here you go. I have a chance to pick up a carry On Johnson or Ronald Jones in the early second round. It might be just as good, exactly. I like Barkley a lot. I think he's the top running back, but I don't think there's that huge gap that a lot

of people see Patrick a better player than Barkley. In your top ten, top five, would he be a better player, Um, yeah, I think so. I like Barkley a lot, but I love Fitzpatrick. You have you have more questions about Barkley, could tell more questions about Bay than you do Fitzpatrick. I do. And with Barkley there's there's a few things that worry me about him, but I think a great player. Again,

he should be in the conversation number four. But Fitzpatrick, whether he's playing outside, corner, inside Nickel, can play safety, can do it all. I'm drafting Fitzpatrick in that scenario, and I think you have two building blocks on defense in the Cleveland with Miles Garrett and then Mica Fitzpatrick. Plenty of other solid players are on them. It's solid, but those are two building block absolutely. Okay. Then you have the Broncos take Josh Allen wide receiver from a

quarterback from Wyoming. Yeah who number one? He's so wrong about that quarterback from me and Lynch. God, I'm just seriously, folks, I apologize to you in my quarterback evaluations. I really do. You're you're Blake Bortles. Guys Blake Bortles in the championship game. But it's it's because it's because they took all the other guys that I wanted to you know, yeah, the Miles Jackson, those guys to the world. In fairness to you, Paxson.

Lynch has literally played five games in the NFL, and they're about to take and you have you have them taken a quarterback at five and that's why they're picking at five. Yeah, no, you're not a quarterback. Play wasn't any good? Yeah, And but again he's played five games. And as Denver run out of patience, are they ready to move on? Probably? You seem like they have I think I think there's a good chance they make a run at Kirk Cousins or one of these other guys.

But if they don't and they need a quarterback, I think the connections could be made. Does Josh Allen when you think about Elway and he's gonna fall in love? Oh sure with this quarterback spinet? Yeah, Denver Broncos they're coaching Josh Allen the senior ball. Oh, get ready, you can make those connections. Ready, Yeah, it's not a crazy connection to make. I could see it happen. But uh, yeah, I understand those that are really bullish on Allan. The

potential is so high, but the floor is so low. Yeah, all, here we go. We're gonna kind of get through these. Uh. In the last bit, here we got the Jets are taking Barkley where anywhere he goes. That's a great pick and maybe jessing the quarterback to look at Baker Mayfield. But at that pick, maybe they just go best best player that impacts their team. Barkley's a he's a big Jets fan growing up, so it's a nice fit. Quentin Nelson to the Buccaneers. I'm already liking the Bucks draft.

I'm liking the Bucks drafted seven already. You're gonna say that about whoever drafts Quentin. Yeah, he's one of my favorite players, whether it's two to the Giants or seven to the Bucks. I'm telling you, man, it was one of my keeping eye on two of the Giants. Chicago Bears take Denzel Ward, quarterback Ohio State. I think he's the best corner in this draft. Verminica Overmica, Yeah, I do. I do. The size worries me a little bit, but besides that, Yeah, it's Ohio State. Kids have come in

and played the new DBU. Yeah, that's what they do. Roquan Smith breaks everybody's heart, goes to the forty nine ers. At nine, flashes of Patrick Willis and Bowman again with Ruben Foster and Roquan Smith. Jeez, that'd be fun to watch. I'll tell you what. Roquan Smith's another really kid, but he might not be for everybody. We talked about that it's right. At ten, the Oakland Raiders take Vita Vea. Now you're really making Cowboy fans mad here. The Raiders

need help on on the defensive line. They don't have anybody in the interior defensive line. That's really standing out Dave as a guy that could do that for him at it again, the traits, that's what's going to vault him up draft boards, possibly in a top ten. I wonder if John Gruden is gonna with his influence there with Reggie mackenzie, is he gonna want a draft some type of offensive player. You know, remember he's had that draft.

Cadillac Williams, Auburn running back, went real role early one year. They're not paying him one hundred million just to stand there. And and Dane continues, he's he's a way of breaking Cowboys fans heart. The Miami Dolphins at eleven. Take Tremaine Edmonds linebacker, Virginia Tech fun linebacker. See now, under this scenario, I'm starting to get wiped out. Yeah, exactly. You've made me now a little nervous about what we've talked about.

What we talked about. We have four or five players you really want, all of a sudden, gone gone gone, And here we are where we're down to only a few players that you have on your your a list of guys that you want. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, man, I mean. You know, you're making me nervous right now, you're making me nervous and like, okay, and then now you really gut punched me because I've thought about Connor

Williams right as a potential guard. He gockle, but you got to going to Cincinnati at twelve and he tackle help badly. They could go Orlando Brown, they could go Connor Williams, good chance. They look at the top tackle in this draft, whoever they think it is, at that pick. They need to tackle help in the worst way. And then we go down to the thirteenth pick, which be the Green Bay Packers. Marcus Davenport, we talked plenty about him.

That's new. That's a Goody's first pick there. Huh yeah, goodicus. The new general manager for the Green Bay Packers, Ted Thompson, longtime general manager player personnel guy guys started with in nineteen ninety two. No longer the GM. That's a new new era in Green Bay. So Marcus Davenport, the defenseman outside linebackers still gonna run a three four scheme two, aren't they with the Packers? Yeah? And with Mike Petton

coming in, Yeah, it's I don't know. We'll see how they what variation the three four the Petton ran and Cleveland was a little different. So I'm eager to see what Petton's learned from Cleveland. I mean, he was an assistant kind of in Sultan. Yeah, but he learned about a little some four three stuff, right, It's I'm eager to see kind of what he breaks out in Green Bay. But regardless, Davenport three four four three, he's a pass rusher.

Washington Redskins take Dron Payne, defensive tackle from Alabama. Boy, that's they got two Alabama back years in the first round. Wow, that'd be pretty impressive right there. Arizona Cardinals take a quarterback Baker Mayfield. This is kind of where you hope if you're a Cowboy fan and you're getting wiped out, that maybe the Baker Mayfield would have been there for you.

I love Baker Mayfield, and I just it's hard to get a read on how NFL teams are gonna feel about him, because again, as a as a passer, he's accurate. He anticipates passing windows the way you can manipulate the pocket. Uh you know, alternate his throwing angles, throwing off platform. He's just so instinctive and natural. Added the mobility, the way he moves around in the pocket. You say, that's that's big time right there. But coming from the big twelve,

you know, he played behind an offensive line that protected him. Yeah, the size, not necessarily the height, but the fact that he likes to hold the ball and he's going to take some hits as we had the body armor to hold up. We talked about Jeff Garcia. Yeah, I'm proud of you for being a young scout and remembering Jeff Garcia because when I was, when I was like your age, right, you know, coming up, there were guys like Jeff Garcia in this league. Jeff garciaa playing the CFL for yeah,

three four years he did. Yeah, that's good year. Baker Mayfield's gonna fascinating. He could go top ten, absolutely, But in this scenario, I've gone fifteen to Arizona. New coaching staff at Arizona two right, right, and new with Carson Palmer retiring, they need to do something at quarterback. Absolutely, they need to Baltimore Ravens at sixteen. Take Calvin Ridley.

Now I've thrown my pin across the room. Just wait for the Twitter responses about how this should be the the Cowboys pick, right, they lost that final game to Philadelphia, Right, So Calvin Ridley goes to the Ravens at sixteenth. Bot, Hey, what you've got punched me in this draft? That was one of the last ones in your your five that you really wanted. Absolutely it was Derwin Ja. It is interesting to the Los Angeles Chargers at seventeen, the strong

safety from Florida State. There's a guy that everybody kind of likes a little bit. He could go higher just because he's gonna test well, a very good athlete, and you are excited about the future. But because he's far from polished as a prior, he could slip out of the top fifteen to this point. Okay. And then Josh Jackson, the cornerback from Iowa. Boy, I like the kid from Central Florida better than Josh Jackson, but we'll see the Seahawks take him at eighteen. Now that's the Cowboys. And

we've talked about this at nineteen Maurice Hurst. Well, and now now this is a this is a very legitimate mock draft, Cowboys. This is one that should usually your first mock draft is your best mock draft in my opinion. You know, now you'll figure out medical and all that stuff. For some of these guys criminal background. Some of these guys will fall somebody who knows Larmy Tunsel might show up with a gas mask on. Again, you never know. You never know what's going to happen in this draft.

But to me, Dane, this is a very eye opening mock draft for the way it potentially could fall. And I'm gonna and what potentially could be there for you right at nineteen, I'm gonna give you. Okay, I gave them more rese Hurst obviously the Cowboys, but I'm gonna give you five players that are still available right in this mock I want you to tell me who you would take, all right, So there's more Reicehurst, right, there's Christian Kirk the wide receiver from Texas A and m

Mike Hughes, cornerback from UCF. Love him. Ronnie Harrison the safety from Alabama, not so much. And let's say Mike McGlinchey, the tackle from Notre Dame. So those five players are available in this scenario. See the question, Yeah, who are you if you're if you're the general manager of the Cowboys, I have a feeling of who you're gonna take but

who would you go with? The corner really interests me because it would help my you know, in this league, with the way everybody throws the foot ball, give me as many guys that can cover, and you know, I'm you know, give me those guys. But Glinchy is interesting because I think he played guard. He could play guard, but I don't know if he could do it as better as Connor Williams could play guard. Connor Williams just

looks more like a guard to meet guard build. But but but yeah, yeah, I know, but you're protecting yourself if something happens to Tyren Smith. True at left tackle, boy, that position held them hostage last year. It gives you some flexibly. God, I'm not gonna be able to answer this question, Kirk, Christian Kirk. And that's what I'm saying, is Christian Kirk boy an explosive? Yeah? But can I can?

I can? I look at fifty You know we were talking about we were talking about Dominic his ideal pairing. Did we have receiver at nineteen? I don't think we did unless it was Calvin Ridley. Yeah, unless it was Calvin Ridley. That's right, man, Kirk. He's not gonna be there for you in the second Oh, he's not um any, But but what what DJ Moore that's gonna be? That's right? Are you gonna if you're gonna gamble, are you gambling on Kirk, which you don't think, or gambling that Moore

would be there? Well? And I think that goes back to the original philosophy about taking the best player there or looking at position strength and maybe bypassing wide receiver here even though say Kirk's your best player on the board, because you feel good about the possible wide receiver you get in a second round because DJ Moore might be gone. Yeah, but you feel okay about Anthony Miller, you feel okay about some of these other receivers. So okay, you're on

the clock, time's winding down. Who you're taking at nineteen Maurice Hurst, Ronnie Harrison, McGlinchey, Hughes Work. I've probably taken Hurst the d tackle yea three tackle yeah, or three Tichtie. Yeah, I would as much as I love as much as I love the corner. I understand about McGlinchey, but I think that he could could help you there. I don't have I don't have many questions, and I'd see why you did that too. Just to finish out the draft, Billy Price goes to the Lions at twenty. Buffalo takes

Mike McGlinchey, who we talked about. Buffalo pick from Kansas City takes Christian Kirk. Oh, here we go. Now they're starting off, and now I'm about to panic. Here the Rams at