Draft Show: Second Wave Side Effects

the SWBC Mortgage Studios. So glad you're with us here over the next hour as we are going to hit a slew of topics surrounding the NFL Draft, which is just fourteen days away. I'm Kyle Yeomans alongside David Hellman. Brian brought us in the great Dane Brugler and Brian.

I know we've kind of talked about this off the air, but I mean, one of the craziest draft processes or processes or whatever it even I don't even know what the plural of that word is right now, one of the craziest you've ever experienced, and well it continues to get crazier as we have multiple Pro Days. We have so many different things with the opt outs, We've got injuries and players going to Indianapolis to check out the medicals.

Has there been a crazier year than this? And what has been the craziest part for you so far in this draft process? Yeah? You boys nervous yet were getting scared. We've been ready to be a little bit a little bit everybody. Everybody's operating under the same challenges. So we feel good about that. Yeah, that's that is the good thing. How and you're right about that, Dane, and I think Kyle win and I know Dane and Dave. We all

have our sources. Kyle, you have your own sources. You know, as you talk to guys and gals around the league, there's so many that you know that there's things that they learned last year with all the meetings and things like that, and how to conduct the zoom stuff and how to visit with players and how to get information. The fact that they were able to get the Pro days done, the fact that they were able to get at least one hundred and fifty players in for physicals

last weekend, I think helps a lot of teams. I know there's a bunch of anxiety among the teams about these medicals and the lack of no combine. But at least we've had the Pro days. Some guys are doubling up on Pro Days to try and help some of these teams. But the fact that they've got one hundred and fifty medical s done last weekend, I think at least gives these guys and gals a little bit of

a piece of mind. So, yeah, it is unusual what we're dealing with right now, but as we all know, the National Football League finds ways to adapt, and I think everybody's doing the best they can right now with that. Dan, and you mentioned the Pro days, the doubling up, and really the main reason for that is we don't have private workouts this year, right you know, we don't have teams are at the forty nine ers want to bring

in justin fields, they can't. They can't bring into the facility, they can't have a private workout, they can't go to Columbus and have, you know, just a one on one type of workouts. So they have to have these second Pro days so you're able to get all your eyes on them again. But anybody's allowed to attend so you know, it's not just the forty nine ers that we're at. Justin Fields Pro Day yesterday, Trey Lance is going to

have his second Pro Day coming up. There will be other teams at attendance for that, and it really makes it interesting just because even though you know you're allowed to be there, you can't really talk to the player. You can just you know, have these little interactions. But in the past, you're taking these guys out for dinner, you know, you're you're spending quality time with them. Can't do that. This year, you can't have that. You know that the normal process that you have in terms of

finding out what type of guy are you? What type of person are you? Those facility visits. You know, I worked on my seven round mock draft the last week and we'll talk about that later in the show. But part of that is always trying to connect the dots. You know, who teams bringing in which players for their thirty visits, and who's talking to who at Pro days? Who took you know, this player out for dinner, all these things, and this year we don't have that. It's

harder to connect dots. For those of us on the outside looking in about maybe who the teams are zeroing in on, what type of players, what specific positions at certain points in the draft. So this process is very different, has been very different for both the teams and then those of us on the outside who are trying to

figure it out as it was we go along. Yeah, that's a great point, Dan, And that's that's what I keep thinking about, is you know, you're exactly right, like you can't bring these guys in, so you know, it feels like maybe it's only two, but like to me, it feels like Justin Fields has had like four pro days at this point, or like we've talked, We've talked about him do like working out. It feels like half a dozen times. And I wonder if part of it is like, yeah, you want to get your eyes on

him and see him. But the other thing too, is like it's it's harder for teams to hide their interest and kind of put up those smoke screens that they love to do. And so you know, in a normal year where you can send a few guys up to Columbus to talk to him and work with him, you

can't do that. And I'm sitting here wondering, like you know, I wonder if teams are sending guys to justin Fields pro days just to make it look like they're interested, you know, like maybe maybe Mac Jones is San Francisco's guy. But they know that if they don't send a contingent to Columbus, they're sending a pretty clear signal of what

their intentions are, at least from the outsider's perspective. So it's almost like like you have to go out of your way with the gamesmanship, maybe even more than normal this year because you're so limited and it's so much harder to be discreet. And you know, everybody I've talked to on the scouting side of this just says it's a nightmare because of all these limitations, And I don't

blame them. Yeah, Kyle, there was a time when working there at the Star was a huge advantage because those they bring those thirty days, the thirty days visit guys in and Dave and I'd be sitting there having breakfast and like, Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him, that's him. So then you had that idea, you know that it was very hard for them to hide who they were bringing in on visits and you know it helped you that way, Dallas days, things like that, everything kind of

gave you an idea to Dane's point. You know, the thirty visits were always a great indication of what direction that this team might go in. And without that, I know they're missing that, and I know we're all missing that. Not being able to have breakfast to lunch with those kids, it's so funny, like and you know, like you said, Brian, like we've got sources, we have ways of getting information, Like I have a I have a pretty good idea

of who the cowboys are talking to anyway. But it's a hell of a lot easier sitting at work and saying, like, Okay, that guy, that guy's got a Florida Gator's logo on his backpacks. Let's go let's check that. Oh oh, that's Melvin Gordon. I know, because he's got long hair. Like it's really easy when you just get to see these guys walking around the facility. So I do miss that.

I promise you. It's really unfortunate that we don't get that opportunity to see Dave's eyes light up whenever he sees Kyle Pitts walk down the hot Hallway, I think that would have been probably my favorite part of the draft process so far. But Dame, whenever it comes to these extra pro days and you're talking about these specific players that are getting extra chances in front of these different organizations, what's the biggest benefit for the players specifically?

Because from the teams, I can definitely see the benefit you get an extra look at a guy, But from a players standpoint, what is their benefit and what are they looking to accomplish whenever they do these second pro days, Well, the more you can do. And so for a team like the forty nine ers, the thing is, we don't know. Does Kyle Shanahan know who they're taking. We just don't know, you know. And for all we know, he might have his mind made up and he's going to these pro

days to say, okay, let's just just do diligence. Let's let's see if one of these guys can change my mind. But we just don't know. And so if you're justin fields, if you're Tray Lance, you know the the tea leaves say it's Mac Jones, but you know who knows. If you go out there and put together a strong workout, well maybe I could be the number three pick. You

just don't know. So you know, some of these guys, it's about injuries, you know, like uh like at Jabril Cox, he's having his pro day here coming up here next week. But really it's about these quarterbacks and if you're able to put some quality throws out there. And we have to remember too, is a lot of times that these pro So I think we lost Dane on the live. You will get him back here in a couple of seconds. Dane, are you still there? Can you're back? Okay? Say exactly.

We're just saying turn your mic down again just so you know, but turn your mic down and then say

exactly what you were doing a second ago. So, you know, having that second pro day, having opportunity to show what you can do, I mean, it's it's something that with John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan being at Mac Jones first pro day, missing that pro day for justin Fields, you know, it's a chance to see him in person, and you know, the chance to ask and request certain throws from these quarterbacks is something that you would do at a private setting that you don't always get to do it a

pro day setting. So having a second Pro Day gives teams a chance to do that, and so it's something that is we just don't know how teams are going to digest it because it's different than you know, normal years. And so again, could Kyle Shanahan and the forty nine ers have like an idea of what we I have an idea? But is their mind made up? Or are they really you know, going back to what uh, you know Dave was talking about the gamesmanship, they're really going

through these pro days with an open mind? Or they do they know who they're taking at number three? Bryan, Yeah, I think they know damn good and Will who they're going to take. I just think that the problem that we I think I think the thing that's interesting is that they have an advantage of knowing who the Jets are going to take two because of Robert salom being on that staff at San Francisco. They know what's going

to happen ahead of them. They know they know the two picks, so they're able to kind of get a little bit of a gauge and what's going on. What I'm finding very interesting, guys, is there's Krusty's like me that don't believe that they're going to take mac Jones. But then you've got former Shanahan players coming out. Richard Sherman yesterday came out yesterday and said, I don't they're taking fields, They're not taking mac Jones. So it's funny

out to see how people are lining up. And I Kyle Shanahan is not going to get influenced by what Krusty Bryan broad As says or what Richard Sherman says. But I have an idea that they know the guy that they're going to take. I don't think there's any smoke screening going on here. I think they have an idea. You traded up for that pick for a purpose. I think they had a player in mind. I think they're doing their due diligence just to look at all the workouts.

But yeah, I mean, if you're going to see it, If if a player is going to have a workout one of these quarterbacks, especially unless you're the Saint that's what said Los Angeles Rams, then you you're you're you know, you're probably going to be at all these workouts and stuff, because, like I say, the Rams have shown that they're not going to into these workouts. I refuse to believe mac Jones will be a top five pick until Roger Goodell reads his name. I just can and hey, yeah I did.

I said the same I said the same thing about Daniel Jones and I was blown away. So it's definitely possible. But I gotta I gotta see it. I gotta see it to believe it. It's just whoever has I mean, where we are right now? Mac Jones is still the favorite, right, I mean, I think he is. I mean, and I don't know. I'm just going I have no idea who that number three pick is going to be. I'm just going based off of what I hear around the league and what other teams expect to happen. And they think

that mac Jones is the favorite, but they don't know either. Yeah, this, like I said, Kyle Shanahan's probably the only person that and maybe John Lynch that really actually knows who this pick. There are people in that forty nine ers organization that don't know then are still kind of waiting at the edge of their seat saying, Okay, you know who's our quarterback going to be? So I don't know, I can understand the mac Jones pick. I I really can. But

don't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised that any of those three quarterbacks is what I'm getting at. See. One of the advantages to being krusty old guy is you have old, krusty friends that run these teams. And so I was talking to these guys and I point blank asked these guys. I said, listen, you really think they're taking Mac Jones. And I got the five guys I used, these seven guys I talked to that you know that

do these stuff, that wrote these teams. Five or four of the five guys said there's no way Mac Jones is going to be that pick, No way, and and and they were saying it with confidence, like and so, yeah, we're hearing things and now and we're right, Dan, we've all got a shot of being wrong here. It very well could have been, yeah, we're gonna take Mac Jones.

He was our guy throughout. But man, there's so many people that we all know and trust and have been a part of this for such a long time that are going, no way in hell they're taking Mac Jones. You do not trade two first round picks to go get Mac Jones. You just don't do that. And but Kyle Shanahan's different, and I do think he knows who

he wants to take. There's people, You're right, Dane in his organization that you know, I did learn one thing about how port know on this this process is for the forty nine ers, whatever player interviewed the best was going to get high consideration. And mean I mean interview come off as understanding scheme, understanding the job, the responsibilities,

coming off as the best and the brightest. Maybe that it wasn't going to be the most talented guy, but it was going to be the one that convinced Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch that they can handle being a professional quarterback NFL quarterback. And the interview was going to be a very very important part. And let's be honest, I think Mac Jones could do that very well. You know, I think Mac Jones it fields you know, a guy that made say the most physically talented no, no, no,

in an interview setting. And you're right, I just made you I just made the case for Mac Jones. I just made the case for Mac Jones. I just but I do know, and I think that there's guys like what came out of about fields, about people talking about reads and things like that. I'm not buying that stuff because I'm talking to people on the other side too that have had interaction with Feels and they're like, listen, this kid is bright, he is smart, he understands reads,

it's it's scheme. There's things that he has to do, so all this stuff, you know. I mean, I'm one of these guys that believe that every one of these quarterbacks that gets picked, and I know history will prove me wrong, but I believe this is a class where every one of these kids will succeed. I really do believe, and some will be better than others. But I don't see there's going to be a huge bus factor in this class room. Past we've seen five kids drafted. Two

of them were busts. I don't see that with this crew. I think this crew has a chance to be three four years and now we'll look back and he'll say this was a special crew of quarterbacks that went through this.

And it's been said before that if you're good in the interview room, if your decision making on the field is top notch, and if your accuracy is there, you're going to have a pretty good chance of going high and all three of those things you can check the boxes for mac Jones, so he very well still could

be the pick. But Brian, whenever it comes to the second Pro days and these teams, like Dane said earlier, are going to have to digest this information and have to really kind of figure out how they're going to weigh it on their draft boards. Do you think a guy like Kyle Shanahan can have his mind change. Maybe it was mac Jones all the way up up until this point, and then maybe justin fields, seeing him in person, maybe getting to talk to him a little bit changes

his mind. Yeah. I think what would change his mind is if he could go and watch him throw. And there's nothing better than sitting there and physically standing next to a player. That's one of the great things I looked about the combine is you physically got to stand next to guys and you got to see the body types, and then you got to see him work out. You know that that is such a great mental image to

how especially when you're watching take you know. And Dan brought up the point about could the forty nine ers request in the fields workout? I think was John Beck is Beck is quarterback, go or somebody who's running the workout there. So former by you got you can request stuff. Beck has come out and said, hey, yeah, sure I'll incorporate, but we're going to kind of stick to the script and do some stuff. You know, if I was Beck in the end fields, I would do anything that the

pro team wanted me to do. I would I would say, okay, what do you want me to you know, show that you show your willingness to make those things happen so those teams can get the best evaluation. But where shot, where Kyle Shanahan could change his mind is physically seeing that kid up close through the football. Watch the ball come out of his hands. Watch how accurate he could be. You can even hear sometimes if you're standing down the field,

that ball's got some whistle to it. Those are images and sounds that like, man, I was standing there when that kid, when that ball hit those receivers hands, it was a thud. Yeah, it's a you know, those are the kind of images and stuff that will help you make a decision. But Brian, you've been to a lot

of Pro days. Have you ever been to one that changed your opinion on a player where you know, you watched all the tape, you know, you had a foundation for your evaluation, but then you went to a pro day, saw him in person, saw maybe whether it was a quarterback or another position. Do you think that is something that's because you know, I get it, but I find it hard to believe that you're gonna pick a different player, especially at quarterback, based off of a pro day. And

I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm just I'm genuinely interested in you know, if in your experience you have ever changed your opinion based on a pro day performance. Just are you asking of a quarterback or just in general, anybody? Yeah, just in Jeneral could be a wide receiver that maybe you saw ze Ozakim I was you remember the player for the from the Ramps back in the Arizona. Yeah, he dropping for San Diego State. Yeah, San Diego State,

Ozza Keene. Now he went with the Rams. Okay, Jason Garrett's brother John does the workout there in San Diego State. Ozza Kee. I'm seeing him on tape make all kinds of plays, and I'm thinking, and I'm standing there watching him. I watch him run, I watch him run routes, and I'm sitting there thinking I had this guy way way too low, way too low. And you know, I mean he was a smaller guy and stuff like that, but

he was one of those guys. And I know people out there are searching right now for Oz and Kee. I'm just telling you, I watched that workout and I'm sitting there and I'm going, holy jeez, I got this kid wrong because because I watched, I watched John Garrett put him through that workout, and I'm like, he could do everything everything as far as a slot receiver, outside receiver, the routes, anything, catch the football. When you when I saw the movement and the finish and all that, it

just it completely blew me away. Of like, man, I saw stuff on tape, but then you see it live right there, You're going, oh, okay, I get it. Now, there's more you can do with this guy. So he was one of those guys. And again that's way back in the day, but that was a Pro Day. William McGinnis. William McGinnis was another one. I remember that like when you watched how big he was and watched him move around at the Pro Day and then the combine and things like that. You're going, oh, I get it now,

I get this. I had him, I had him in this level. He needs to be at this level up here. Yeah, I think pro days can't affect especially you get those coaches when they when you get coaches that work these kids out and they say, they say, this kid, when I worked this kid out, he was at this level. When I worked this other kid out, he was a little bit down here. So I think I think those pro days can't affect how these coaches see these players.

Absolutely hear what you're saying, and I don't think you're completely crazy. But in the case of quarterbacks, quarterbacks get overdrafted anyway, and at this point in twenty twenty one, all of these guys have a former quarterback coaching them on how to do these workouts. Like all of these guys can make the throws that they need to make

and impress teams in a scripted workout. I think if there's something that's going to change a team's mind about a quarterback, it's gonna be talking to him, interviewing them. You know, how they command the room, how they kind of take over you know, I think you know it automatically makes me think of Dak. Like what made Dak such an intriguing prospect during his year in the draft cycle was the intangibles in the way that he kind

of won people over. And I am curious, you know, you just don't You're not gonna have the same opportunity to do that stuff, you know, Like you know, you think back to my guy Joe Burrow, Like the Bengals, you know, took him out and wind him and dined him. I think some steakhouse in Cincinnati like named a steak after him and stuff like that. Like that's not happening this year. And I wonder if that incomplete information affects things because maybe justin fields won't have as big of

an opportunity to just completely knock somebody's socks off. And then that's a great point because you think about all the quarterbacks, you know, Carson Wentz before the Eagles drafted a number two overall. At the combine, they bring them into a hotel room with everybody there. They got a screen ready and they're going through plays and say, Okay, what are you seeing here, what's the protection, what's the coverage? Why'd you make this decision? Why'd you do this? Go

through his interceptions? Why you know what happened here? What would you do differently? Those are the things that you know we could do through a virtual meeting, through a zoom call, but just a little different this year. And so it's it's it's tougher, and it's we've gotten a historic quarterback class. We're gonna have five quarterbacks going to top ten, most likely for the first time ever. And it just happens that it might be the toughest year

to fully evaluate these guys as well. Puts a lot of extra pressure on these pro days. Is in a little added weight too, Just maybe that's where you do change your mind, And even though that's not how it has been in the past, could potentially be that way this year. It's still yet to be seen, and there are some surprises that are in store here over the next couple of weeks, that is no doubt about it.

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Magazine Draft guy. Fanatic Cowboys says, could John Fossel look for a guy in the later rounds with specific intent to only use as a special teamer kind of like what CJ. Goodwin does with the Cowboys right now? If so, who would that player be? Like Dane Brugler. I feel like this is right up your alley. Sure that thing that's certainly possible. And when you're looking in those late rounds, if you're look you're looking for guys that might have

a future role on offensor defense. But in the meantime, you know what they're going to bring on special teams. So I'm thinking about, you know, a guy like Jalen Camp at Georgia Tech who you know, does not have a ton of production at receiver, needs to developing areas. But you're talking about a guy that was a special

team stud at Georgia Tech. And he looks like he's six two two twenty six, ran a four four five in the forty yard dash, and you talked to his head coach about camp as a as a special teamer and he says he brings it every day physically, mentally, and so at that point in the draft, that's the type of guy you're looking for. Avery Williams from Boise State one of the more fascinating players in this draft.

When you talk about his special team's impact, he had was like nine touchdowns over his career as a returner. He had six blocks, forced fumble on kickoff coverage. So you know, that's a guy that teams aren't sure what to do with him. Could he you know, is he a corner, is he a running back? There's split opinion there, but they know what he brings on special teams. And I actually that I had in my seventh round mock. I had the Cowboys go in that direction in the

seventh round. But we'll hold that to the next second. Hey, Dane where do you have the USC the safety Hafanga. Where do you have him on your board? Fourth round? Okay? Probably somewhere in that late fourth, early fifth. Okay, Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. That's why I got him. I got him in the fifth round. And this is to me,

the USC safety this is worse. This is a guy that's going to make his mark on special teams really early in his career, and then he's going to figure out They're like, they're going to figure out spots to play him though. So I just feel like, because then there's a guy he's always in the right place at the right time type of a player. But there's some there are some things about his game though that you know,

we're going to need some refinement. But when you when when you when you think about those guys, there's a lot of those safety linebacker guys. He was the one guy as you named, you name two quality players that I totally agree with you on. But this Hafanga from USC, if he's drafted later, he might not get picked by the Cowboys, but if you see him going somewhere that

will probably be his role. Initially, I think he'll be a really good special teams player for somebody, and then they'll figure out how to incorporate him as either safety

or a linebacker in that scheme. I'm just gonna step out on a limb and say, with what with the influence that we've seen John Fossil have this offseason, you know, probably had a call in the Chris Jones decision, although that's you know, that's about money as well, but brought in his long snapper over the longest tenured player on the team, resigned C. J. Goodwin who was their best

special team or brought back Cedric Wilson. I bet, starting on day three, I bet John Fossil is going to be in the war room quite a bit looking for guys like that. Yeah, once you get into the fifth, sixth, seventh round, you better be able to have a role on special teams or else. What's the point, honestly, because those guys are usually not competing for legitimate playing time

on offense or defenses. Rookies. Um, I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's like my favorite player, but when you like a question like that just makes me think about tough Borland. Um, just you know, like you're you're not you're not drafting him to probably ever be a meaningful defender, but like, he's a high and tangible guy, high effort guy, not a super great athlete, but he can he can

do stuff like that. And you know, I don't know if he would even be a draft pick or a free agent or whatever, but you know, the Cowboys found a guy a lot like that in Luke Gifford a couple of years ago, and uh, you know, those are the types of players that make their living on special teams. So absolutely, Mike comp My camp for tough Borland is Tyler Matakavi at a Temple who has been that guy with Pittsburgh and now with the believe with the Bills not going to see a lot of defensive snaps, but

on special teams. That's going to keep him in the NFL or in a paycheck Borland of course out of Ohio state. And then I just want to add a note on Jalen Camp. You mentioned Tim Dane twenty zeven was the record in terms of the bench press for wide receivers. He put up thirty bench reps in his pro day, which I know won't be a combine record, but goodness gracious, he put up thirty reps on bench. I mean, that's pretty impressive from a guy who at least as a wide receiver could come in and be

a special team stud. Okay, this one comes from Christopher. What players are you okay with trading away from at the tenth overall pick? When is it considered running from your board? Brian, We'll start with you on this one. Yeah, I'm totally against running from the board myself. I don't. I always, I always have questions about that. I kind of feel like though, that you get into a situation too where people are always interested in getting out of

that pick. I you know, I just feel like it the tin hole just to me sit there and pick this player. You know, you know they're gonna have the opportunity, whether it's an offensive tackle. You know, I don't think that tight end's gonna get to you. I really really don't. I think there's gonna be a quality cornerback there, you know, So to me, I'm gonna I can't answer your question away because I don't want to run away from that spot,

I really do. I just the players have evaluated. I feel like those guys deserve to be picked at dead ten spot. You know, we'll see what happens with Parsons and people like that. I'm kind of getting some getting some vibe that maybe that Parsons wouldn't be the pick at ten, that maybe they might be in the situation where they would go another direction. But me personally, I don't want to trade from anybody in this uh, in

this spot at ten. Now you get to some other spots, I'll work with you, but I'm not really interested in moving away from from anybody right now. Dave, there's a high high chance that the pick is going to be soul Slater, certain Horn. That anybody disagree with that, I don't, Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all. And and you feel that's why I'm not interested in moving right right really, and I think we can all feel really good that one of those four is going to be there at

pick number ten. Yep. You know, good chance four or five quarterbacks go ahead of you. Good chance Kyle Pitts has gone at least one of those receivers. So one of those four is going to be there for you at ten. It would be tough to trade away from one of those four players. I don't see it happening. I think there's a very high chance that the Cowboys are going to be coming away with one of those four guys, and it just kind of depends how the

first nine picks play out. Yeah, okay, but you gotta sorry, Kyle, like you gotta throw in the caveat that. You never know for sure how this thing's gonna fall. And I

agree with everything y'all just said. But if a quarterback is there, if for some dumb reason, Justin Fields falls to ten, and I can set the price like apt like if I can just absolutely hold somebody hostage for what I want, Like if if New England or Chicago wants Justin Fields and I can just make them hurt, like next year's first and maybe and day two picks this year on top of that, like if New England wants to give me next year's one and one of their threes this year to drop back five spots, I

would I would trade away from a really good player to do that. Is what is your level of where do you have Newsome in relation to Certannon Horn not on the same level. But if I came away with him at fifteen and got all of that stuff in return, I would feel okay, with that or even you know, I was about to say, I agree with what y'all just said, like Sewell, Slater Horn certain, and I don't think he'll be there, but I'll throw in pits like those five guys. I feel really, really, really really good

about drafting. But if the Cowboys, you know, obviously we know they don't always agree with us, if the Cowboys wanted to draft Parsons or quitty Pay at ten, I would bail the hell out of there so fast. But I would be perfectly happy drafting quitty Pay at fifteen on top of getting all those draft picks. Absolutely, I

would feel just fine. The only way you would feel about me personally that I would feel good about leaving ten is if you got completely wiped out and I but in the more I look at this draft, the more I talk to people around the league that are working on these boards and trying to get the tiers of the players. Dans right, You're going to have a very good player at ten to draft, and you're it's just a matter of you handing in that cart. I

don't want to get cute at ten. And I understand Dave what you're talking about with the quarterbacks, and stuff like that. But if you're telling me, say just why I was gauging on Newsome, if you think that Newsome and he would be the one guy that I think I would if I was trading down that I would keep an eye on. But I've also done a study too about all these quarterbacks and all these cornerback meeting

needy teams behind you. You know that all of a sudden, you're thinking, Okay, if I drop back five spots, is that cornerback I'm gonna want? Because if you don't feel like there's a big drop off between Newsome and Horn and Certan, then go ahead, yeah, back up, see what you could do. But I feel like that they're probably going to feel like that either the offensive tackle Certan or Horne is going to be too valuable for them

to move away from. And I just want to be clear, I don't disagree with anything you just said, and I think that's probably what will happen, and I would be just fine with that. But let's just use the Patriots as an example, because we know that they don't have a long term quarterback situation. They have a lot of draft picks. Like if the Patriot, if you if you drop back to fifteen and wound up with their one

next year and pick ninety six. Say you take five times five times in the top one hundred and add next year's first round pick. Like you, that doesn't tempt you at all? Cowboys might do that. Yeah, but I'll tell you this though. I'll tell you this though, well, okay, depending on who you got it fifteen though, if you're if they're comfortable taking Newsome or yeah, one of those guys, if they're if they're comfortable, if they're comfortable taking bar

More Me personally, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. But that's what I'm saying. This is where you don't think about trade in a way next year's one could get you to I'll tell you, I'll tell you a trade I would make if you if you want, I'd give I'd give Washington their quarterback at ten. But I'm asking you for chase you and coming back I'll take nine. Yeah, yeah, what do you how bad? How bad do you want my pick? You know what I'm seeing how the Lincoln

Monument as well? Yeah, I mean, well, you're saying, you're saying that New Englid's gonna get you one. You for sure on that. No, but that's what I'm that's what I want, and then it would be reasonable. It's it's to me. Then if you get if you get forty six from them, I think you're doing good bye that. I think if you get their second round pick for a five spot move, that's a way over pay on

their part. We all understand the value of quarterbacks. Okay, football team, I'll see how bad you want your quarterback, how bad you want you enough to give up one of your guys. See, that's kind of that's that's how you, that's how you. Okay. So that's the same thing I

say about the Patriots, same thing would be way. I think they'd be way more willing to give up a future pick than Washington would be willing to give up one of the best pass rushers in the league who's on a rookie deal for four more years, like one of them. I'm about to give you, I'm about to give your quarterback, about to give your quarterback. I ain't try. I'm not doing a quarterback deal with a division rival.

That's just asking for that's just a freaking nightmare, asking for tru That's why, that's why you asked, that's why you asked for a big time player in return. Yeah, is not going to make you feel a lot better if Justin Fields turns out to be paid and manning like that is just a say you take, you take their best player and you take the nineteenth pick. But I'm seeing I think New England value. New England understands

the value of a quarterback. I would see them over paying for giving you forty six and calling it a today. I could see that. I would be shocked. I would be shocked if they said we'll throw in next year's one. I would be shocked. On that's then you don't do it. Yeah, if they won't do it, then I'd say, great, I'm gonna draft sir tin Horns later or stool and feel awesome about it, like this isn't hard even with all but go for it, Brian, go ahead. No, I'm fine,

go ahead. I was just gonna say, even with all four of those names put out there, and I would agree with you guys in terms of those names. But whenever I'm building my board. But as far as the Cowboys are leaning, things that I've heard, I've heard offensive tackles kind of off the board at ten. I've heard that they are not necessarily interested in that. Now I could be totally wrong, but that's something that I would definitely want. But I'm a little disappointed because I don't

think they're as interested. I think it's going to be a defensive player and or Kyle Pitts that falls there at ten, and that's who they're going to ultimately end up take. If they if they take, if they take Quitty Pay, like Daniel Jeremiah says they are at ten, man, I'd be I would be. I would I would be highly disappointed, especially if one of those corners was on that board, because quite pay. Yeah, that would be the patented.

That would be about eight seconds of silence in the studio before somebody tries to figure out something nice to say, just like another Michigan pass rusher in the first round. Though, Guys, Daniel Jeremia, ain't that guy that throw it up against the wall and see what happened. Now, when you got a guy that's a scout, that's been a scout for a long time and he's got friends and stuff like that, he is the only mock draft and I've ever seen has Quitty Pay going at ten, am I wrong as

anybody seen anything that scares me? Maybe maybe maybe he don't know something. Yeah, maybe he knows something that the rest of us don't know. If you're gonna take a defensive end at ten, take OJILARI, take Ojilari from Georgia instead of Pay. But the fact that he said that it gave me pause. It was like it hit me in the stomach and I went, oh, he knows something, you know, that kind of thing, So that this goes to show you. But if you're trading back, that's who

we're talking about. We're talking about Quitty Pay and guys like that, you know, and we're like, oh, but we gotta pick Yeah, we gotta pick Man. But we got Quitty Pay though, too. And you know, I'm not so you're so desperate to get rid of Picks you never want to add him like that just that avides you. Yeah, No, like let's try out, Hey, yeah, to get up to the top five, but hey, I want to add picks. I am all for taking forty four and seventy five and one up in the bottom of the first round.

That'd be awesome. I'm a that I'm saying, what if you take if you if you take an offensive player, and what if you what if you get one of those corners? What if you and it doesn't have to be newsome, but what if you, like, I mean, give me, give me day, give me all your second round corners, Give me every one of your second round corners. The two Georgia kids, Stokes and Campbell, Kelvin Joseph at of Kentucky,

uh Sante Samuel Florida State. Is that who you're going up for is one of those one of those That's I'm saying though, if you got if you they might have those guys, is you know, they might have those guys like you know, like the like a grade of of a one two one or one two right on the top of that second right at the end of that maybe it's the nineteenth player on their board. You know, I have nineteen first round grades, so number twenty far more.

You know, that's kind of where I'm starting right now. So but maybe one of those quarters. Brian, really quickly just kind of adding on to your point, since we're talking about this already, I'm gonna throw in our third twitter on the twenty question, Ashley Hutchins says, how soon do you think the Cowboys will start taking a hard look at picking and edge rushers. So maybe edge rushers up there in that twenty realm is that of potential if you wanted to go back up and get one.

If not, when did they start thinking about it? I would, you know, Like I said, I kind of feel like that if they took an offensive player, and again we talked about this was all the stuff with Pitts. We don't think he's gonna be there, Kylee. You just reported that you don't think they're gonna take offensive tackle. Don't think so. Well, if that's the case, that yeah, if that's the case, then then there's no reason. The only way I would consider going back up into the round

is if one of those offensive tackles was there. You took that guy, and then you wanted to get back in and get one of those corners, those second round corners, you know, or the guys it's a second round grade on your board. Remember guys, they drafted Travis Frederick in the first round, but he was a second round grade on their board. You don't have thirty two first round grades.

You just don't have it. So whoever they're coming back in for they're getting a guy that's real close to being Like Dane likes to say, oh, one, two, whether right on that edge. You know, I'm okay. If you're telling me I could go back in and get that guy, I could. I could pick a guy at ten, I could pick a guy at twenty six, and I could pick a guy at ninety nine. I feel like I've had a pretty damn good day to start out those first three picks. Kyle to you know, specifically, the question

about when you consider pass rusher. You consider pass rusher at every single pick. You know, if a pass rusher is there that you think is going to impact your team in a big way, you take them, and you know, maybe they do have a high grade on quitty pay. You know, time will tell. In the second round, it could be a Joe try On from Washington or turn or from Houston. There you go. You know, I don't think there's necessarily well, okay, we'll wait till third round

before we consider you know, every single pick. I think there might be a player at the pass rush position, and that's gonna be in the conversation that they would consider. There's a sweet spot. This second round could be a lot of fun for some teams drafted in my affair, because to me, there's pockets of guys, whether you need a wide receiver, whether you need an offensive tackle, maybe those defensive ends, corner, We're starting to see some of

those safeties this second round. Now, again, my whole thing about trading back in is if you wanted to be the corner, if you drafted the first offensive player, or or you wanted to you know, to make that but you know, you could pick at forty four and seventy five and be and and and really I think do some really some good things because there's certain positions that have great depth within the position, and I think that some teams are gonna some kind of hit some home

runs on So I'm want to move on to this next question. This comes from Cammy Hawk. She says, could Micah Parsons play more of a Vic Beasley role and Dan Quinn's defense Beasley was the same size as Parsons coming out of school and that also has the pass rush background. Do you think there's a chance that Micah Parsons could kind of fit into that whole? Brian, Yeah, And to the point of the question, I yeah, absolutely. The one thing I think that Parsons can do is

can rush. I mean he's got the size, he's got that kind of ability. Again, just getting that vibe that Parsons really not in the mix for a spot I think at tend but might might be getting lied to guys, I'll admit that, but I say Pitt was. There's there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things you need to dig in on this player. And if you're comfortable taking the player, great, If not, let somebody else

have that honor of doing that. But yeah, to the point, yeah, I think that I think you have a potential pass rusher on your hands when it comes to the linebacker spot. Yeah, if he's the pick, he better he'd better contribute to the pass rush in a serious way like he needs to. And I feel like I bring it up a lot because it just happened. But you know, Todd Bowles schemed up away for Devin White to have nine sacks last year.

I mean, he was, he was a significant part of that pass rush which already had good pass rushers, and he that wasn't even really part of his you know thumb thumbnail coming out of college. That wasn't something that he did at a you know, I mean he can't. He could do it, but didn't do it all the time, and they still managed to find a way to do it. So with that type of athleticism and knowing that he can do it, like, he'd better be contributing to the pass rush for him to be worth that that high

a pick. In my opinion, there's no question that he could because that's what he did in high school. He's a pass rusher the defensive end. He didn't move to off ball until he got to college, so you know, you look at his Ziz Augillarry Aziz Audilary is three pounds heavier than Michael Parsons, So we're not talking about a linebacker here, right. Michael Parsons is an eleven inch hands, humongous hands. You know, there's a lot of things that you point to and say, yeah, he could be a

pretty dynamic blitzer for us. So I think if you draft Michael Parsons, you do it with the understanding that he's gonna do a little bit of everything for you and you need to be a little creative with how you use them. But with a talent like that, I think you can do it. It should be fun to watch because I mean, Parson's is one of those names that could sneak into that conversation. But is he really in that conversation. That's kind of what we're waiting until

draft night to really see. Okay, final question, real quickly. Cowboys Lucadour says Certan is the obvious front runner at ten, but is there a front runner available at forty four? Dane, I feel like you got this. Is there a front runner for the Cowboys at forty four? We'll talk about your mock draft in a second. It's so hard because you just don't know how the first forty three picks are gonna play out, Like could it be a safety?

You know, it could Richie Grant or Trevon Merrick if they were to fall there to forty four be the favorite. Maybe one of those pass rushers assuming they go corner in the first So I don't know, to be honest with you, it's just it's hard to have a favorite in the second round for this team. Maybe a Levi

Ionzerique defensive tackle. Don't rule that out. I mean I think there's plenty of possibilities, and this is one of those drafts like like like several other drafts we've seen in recent memory, where pick twenty three isn't necessarily that different than forty three, and you know, there's just a wide grouping of players that are on a similar talent level. So you know, you're feeling pretty good sitting there at what is it pick forty four that you're gonna get

a solid player. You know you're gonna have a list of guys, though I don't think there's one necessary a favorite in the second round. I'm praying to the draft gods right now that that jam and Davis from from from somehow some way from Kentucky, like does something crazy that gets him to get to forty four. That would be my if you want to sacrifice something to the draft gods beforehand, think about him. But I do like

what Dane's saying. I think that TCUs safety is definitely on their radar, though that would be one that and this team might not, you know, I mean, this team has this team is allergic to safeties. They really are, I mean especially you know it's like they get you know, they start getting the sheiks when they see his safety. But this is a different group at forty four. I think you know. And I'll even throw the Holland kid in there from Oregon. I mean, I've talked about him

about I like him as a player. I throw him up there with the Grants and the TCU kid and all that. I think that he's a guy that we don't talk nearly enough about. There's no way, there's no way to know the name. Like I know, you know we're experts or whatever, but there's just appolutely no way. I mean, the guy that was the pick at fifty one last year was somebody that we spent most of the spring talking about as a possibility in the first round. Yea. And but that I think that gives you a hint

as to what will happen. And maybe this sounds obvious, but think about the trouble spots. All right, let's just assume Patrick Sir Tanner J C. Horne is going to be the pick. I think that is a fantastic bet I would put if I was a betting man, I would put good money on it. So if you know that they're going to do that now at forty four, think about the trouble spots offensive tackle, linebacker, safety, maybe

defensive tackle. Yeah, there's gonna be a guy sitting there that makes your eyebrows go like, whoa, he's still there, and you know, maybe it's your linebacker. Maybe it's you know, maybe it's Richie Graham, maybe it's Trevon marrig maybe you know, I say his name all the time. But maybe like an Alex Leatherwood for some reason is still sitting there for you. I tend to doubt it, but who knows. They're will be a guy there that you just like, it just jumps out, and I like, that'll be the

pick that would be my guests. They might double dip on those corners. If you take one at ten, there might be it might be too good to pass up at forty four, you know, and at Basham is another kid I forgot to mention from from wake forth as a defensive end, you know, two or yeah, keep an

eye on a guy like that as well. Man. There's I could say, guys at forty four, there's going to be a pocket of players that Dave talks about the eyebrows going up and it's son to be like, Okay, on the stack, we've got this guy and it's like unbelievable, We've got an option, you know, of say four or five guys at different positions. I mean, you could go a lot of different directions with that pick at forty four and help your football team. Carlos Boogie Basham. I

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six calories, three points two carbs for twelve ounces. Is the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft, So we've got less than seven minutes to hit Dane's seven round Dallas mock Draft whenever you can go read it on the Athletic He's got all seven rounds, all two hundred and fifty nine picks, and Dane, I know that's a lot of process to go through to get all two hundred and fifty nine picks, but kind of explain in a summary what your thought process was whenever the Cowboys came up

at ten and beyond. Yeah, it's an interesting exercise because it really makes you focus on, Okay, what are the draft habits of each team organization GM trying to focus on not just the needs, but what you know. Certain teams will draft certain positions at a certain point. Some teams will avoid certain positions at a certain point in the draft. So trying to keep track of all that is really interesting and it helps kind of prepare you

for the actual draft. But in this scenario, five quarterbacks came off the board in the first nine picks, both tackles later and Sewell came off the board, and then so did Pitts. So you're looking at the first defensive player off the board at number ten, which is crazy. I went back to the in the Super Bowl era, so in nineteen sixty seven, before the merger, we've only had there's only been one time where a defensive player lasted until a seventh pick before they were drafted. That

was Champ Bailey in ninety nine. So for a defensive player to last all the way to ten, it's kind of crazy. But here we are there's a good chance that that's how it plays out. And in this scenario, Patrick's ter Tan sitting there for the Cowboys there at the tenth pick, and it kind of just makes too much sense not to happen. So they go get their

their top pick overall. Then after that they go safety in the second round with a guy that Brian you mentioned in the last segment, Javon Holland out of Oregon. What was your thought process with Holland instead of maybe one of those other safeties and or defensive tackles that could have been there. Well, Richie Grant was off the board, I believe Trevon Marik, Yeah, Marek was off the board as well. So this really came down to, Okay, we could go defensive tackle with Ozerique, we could go safety

with Holland. Uh, the worth few tackles still left with a Sam Cosmi or uh, you know, Carlos Basham was still there, who I think would be a nice fit in this defense, back end of this this defense, And I know it's a position that they will avoid in the early rounds, but at some point that's just you got to get past that, right, I mean, at some point you have to invest some really quality players in

your safety position. And Javon Holland, I think at pick number forty four, like the fit, like what he brings, he's going to compete at both a nickel and as a free safety. I don't know, Brian, what do you think about Holland? I love to pick that's a true free safety right there. That's around the foot, he tackles well, that he plays the ball, he gets his hands on balls, he's got This is a true free safety. And you just watched the tape watch him play down after down.

I mean, he is, he's got a chance, I think to be a special player. I love the fact that Dane mocked him. When I saw that, I was saying, Okay, we're off to a great start here. You got a corner and now a true free safety. So I applaud the pick. I think that. I think Dane did a great job for the Cowboys picking there at forty four. I want to throw this in too, and Dan, I mean, you're you're right. And I'm the king of saying I'll believe they draft the safety when I see it. But

the new de coordinator loves him some safety play. He drafted Keyan O'Neal in the first round when he was the head guy in Atlanta. He brought him here. He brought Kazi here. He worked with Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor. And I need to follow up on this. I don't know. I don't know for sure if he went, but Dan Quinn was supposed to go to Eugene for Oregon's pro day. Pretty sure he is there. Yeah, I think he is.

Now you can tell now, you tell me why the Cowboys de coordinator would be there because I mean, I know there are some other guys coming out of Oregon, but like nobody that like is on the decordinator level where your best defensive coach needs to go look at him with his own eyes. So Dan Quinn certainly wanted to take a look at Javon Holland. So I definitely

think that's a name worth knowing. There's also maybe a new need for edge rusher as we conclude the draft show, as Alden Smith has agreed to terms on a one year deal with the Seattle Seahawks according to Ian Rapp Report as of fifty seconds ago. Actually, and that's not fifty seconds ago, says fifty minutes ago, So there's a couple minutes in between there. But I mean, edge rusher may be there. In the second round. There might be a couple guys there, like a Carlos Basham that you

might want to look at. Tell me about the rest of the picks, Dane, really quickly before we wrap things up. I really like your third round pick, or this one at seventy five rather from Marlin two Polo to the USC defensive tackle. I really like that one overall. Yeah, I like the fit there I like the depth there. I think he's an interchangeable defensive tackle, can play the one, can play the three. At seventy five, good value. Deonte Smith at left tackle at pick ninety nine. He's a

guy you you draft and develop, you know. I think he's your long term succession plan at left tackle. Fourth round. I love pick one fifteen Chauncey Golston. He's your new Tyrone Crawford. You know, he can reduce inside, he can give you juice off the edge. Love the instincts, love the motor. Dylan Moses also in the fourth round, a guy that has an injury history, but take a swing at that point. He because he has early round talent.

With Trevon Grimes wide receiver in the fifth, you know a guy that you added to the depth chart, John Bates, this is the token Boise State player that the Cowboys have to draft. Also had him going guard center in the sixth round. William Sherman at a Colorado and then in the seventh Kenny Nuwongu running back at Iowa. Stay who's a big time special teams guy, can help out and stick on a roster which just based on special teams.

So I doubt they're gonna make all those picks. Not those specific players, but just make those picks in general. I think we'll see a move around a little bit, but with where things stand right now, I think that's a kind of realistic look at how they could go. Yeah. I like what you did with Sherman at the very end of the draft, though I watched the Colorado tape. He plays tackle. You could plug him in a guard.

This guy gets movement in the running game. Gonna need some work on the past technique stuff and all that, But you talk about a big, powerful guy. That's what you're looking for. Traits, guys who can develop, Guys who play a couple of different positions. Hey, Dane had a hell of a draft with the Cowboys there. I really really do. I like what he did with all his picks. I'm here for it. I love the first three for sure. Yeah, but first four you gotta go study that. He'st Carolina tackle.

That guy's a good player. Now, he is a really good player. Well pounds, a little bit of a lighter guy, but great on his feet, I mean great on his feet. I even like your thought process going later on getting a wide receiver in the fifth, getting it tied ind in the six, interior offensive line in the six as well. I mean, there's a lot of different ways you could go, and he's one of those guys that I think it's

off the board exactly. Yeah, they line up later on and they figure things out, and I think that's a great way to put a Dane great job. And you can also go check out the entire seven round mock draft, all two hundred and fifty nine picks on the Athletic Go subscribe and follow Dane brugler Is. Of course, he does great work there. He does great work here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. That's gonna do it for us next week. Get ready, We've got some

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